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Speaker 1: have got a jam packed show for you tonight. Kansas
Speaker 1: is now the best state in America. Student debt is
Speaker 1: coming for your grandma, and Beyonce is making a whole
Speaker 1: new album. So let's do this people. Let's jump straight
Speaker 1: into today's headlines. Okay, all right. Before we get into
Speaker 1: the big stories, let's catch up on a few other
Speaker 1: things going on in the news. First things first, according
Speaker 1: to astronomers, the Earth is actually spinning faster than ever before,
Speaker 1: and because of that, it recently set the record for
Speaker 1: the shortest day ever. Yeah. June was apparently one point
Speaker 1: five nine milliseconds shorter than a normal day. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's how you know things are going bad. Even though
Speaker 1: Earth is like all right, let's wrap this up. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go, Let's keep things moving. Let's keep things going
Speaker 1: one point five nine minute seconds faster. I mean, you
Speaker 1: do know what this means. Right, We'll get to leave
Speaker 1: work one point five nine million seconds earlier. It also
Speaker 1: gives people a great excuse if they get pulled over.
Speaker 1: It's like, sure, if you've been drinking the earth, this
Speaker 1: brisier is making me dizzy, man, then why don't we
Speaker 1: all dizzy? I'm too drunk git to that questa. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: in environmental news, a man in Utah has been arrested
Speaker 1: for accidentally starting a sixty acre wildfire while trying to
Speaker 1: burn a spider with a cigarette lights. And yes, this
Speaker 1: sounds terrible, but I bet that spider learned his lesson.
Speaker 1: You've learned that spider. In entertainment news, Brad Pitt wore
Speaker 1: a skirt to his latest movie premiere, and when he
Speaker 1: was asked why he did it, he said, quote, we're
Speaker 1: all going to die, so let's just have some fun
Speaker 1: before we get out. Yeah, and I I love that.
Speaker 1: What an inspirational way to say. It's laundry day. It's
Speaker 1: also been like two hundred degrees outside every day. The
Speaker 1: question isn't why is Brad Pitt wearing a skirt? It's
Speaker 1: why isn't every guy wearing a skirt? You're kidding me?
Speaker 1: If you fall out? What's it is? Out? There's a
Speaker 1: fabric on both sides. Everything is cooped up. You walk
Speaker 1: outside of you. You would spend five minutes in this
Speaker 1: weather before you know what. You're walking around with two
Speaker 1: lightly poached eggs in your pants. You gonna let a breathe.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, this is okay. This is a wild story
Speaker 1: and travel news. Airbnb has announced that it will no
Speaker 1: longer allow people to list former slave cabins as vacation
Speaker 1: rentals after one listing caused an uproar online. And this
Speaker 1: must be one of those things that's probably white people.
Speaker 1: I mean no, because as a black person, there's no
Speaker 1: way I'm vacationing in a slave cabin. I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's a former slave cabin. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's renovated. There's no black person's like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: where I want to spend my vacation. So good for
Speaker 1: a BnB. I will say this. If I owned a BnB,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't cancel these listings. I would say, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can stay there if you want, but you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have the real experience. Yeah, to surprise those bodg
Speaker 1: ins with the cabinet six and I'm like, here's your brass,
Speaker 1: get fell out up, whip your I guess when it
Speaker 1: see when it was like, well, now you're seeing. But anyway,
Speaker 1: let's move on to some of the bigger news stories
Speaker 1: of the day. First up, yesterday, we had another round
Speaker 1: of primary elections in America, and I'm just gonna say this,
Speaker 1: this country has too many elections. All right. Every week
Speaker 1: it's like it's time to vote. But we voted last week.
Speaker 1: Now that was the vote to vote for who we're
Speaker 1: voting for this week. Then we'll vote on when we'll
Speaker 1: vote for the next vote vote vote, vote, vote vote
Speaker 1: vote vote vote. So let's check in on the results
Speaker 1: of these votes in our ongoing coverage of Vote DEMI. So,
Speaker 1: last night was a very good night for Donald Jigney
Speaker 1: puff Trump. In Michigan, his candidate defeats in a Republican
Speaker 1: who votes to impeach him. In Arizona, his candidates won
Speaker 1: the primaries for Senate and Secretary of States, and in Missouri,
Speaker 1: the eric he endorsed beats the other Eric that he
Speaker 1: endorsed was the best night for Trump he's had that
Speaker 1: didn't end with someone signing an NDA. And these Arizona
Speaker 1: races could have national implications because these Republicans, you have
Speaker 1: to understand, the ones who are winning now, they all
Speaker 1: believe in crazy conspiracy theories about Biden stealing the election.
Speaker 1: In so if they win the final races, they could
Speaker 1: end up in charge of counting the votes in I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I know for certain I
Speaker 1: do not trust them with that job. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: what will be like? All right, another vote, another vote
Speaker 1: for Trump, that's a Trump vote. That's another that's a Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that that was Trump. What you're doing there?
Speaker 1: That's not Yeah, that's a not I'm counting that's Trump
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, put it in, but that's it Trump again?
Speaker 1: What what? What would you look at that that person
Speaker 1: spent Trump rock he's had b I D and yet
Speaker 1: tell Trump what? Thanks spell the wrong? That's all right?
Speaker 1: What's the final chilie? What that Trump won? Brazilian Biden
Speaker 1: minus chant? I think I did a good job. Don't
Speaker 1: shadow warning now there is there is some good news
Speaker 1: other than the Trump virus spreading through the Republican Party
Speaker 1: like Vetna. Last night was actually a really good night
Speaker 1: for anyone who believes a woman should ever right to
Speaker 1: choose what happens in her own body. And it's all
Speaker 1: thanks to Kansas and conservative Kansas. This morning a political
Speaker 1: earth plate and a big win for abortion rights supporters.
Speaker 1: Kansas voters rejecting an amendment that would have removed abortion
Speaker 1: protections from the state constitution, in effect keeping access to
Speaker 1: the procedure there. The turnout on a hundred degree day
Speaker 1: in the middle of summer was fifty three, historically high.
Speaker 1: They've never seen anything like this. This is Barack Obama's
Speaker 1: numbers on stay stood up and said, now, we're the
Speaker 1: first ones to say now, so I'm just I'm overjoyed. Wow, Kansas. Amazing,
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. Congratulations Kansas. It's moments like these. I wish
Speaker 1: I knew which one of these states you were, But
Speaker 1: either way, congratulations, not for real or for real. This
Speaker 1: is a huge pro choice victory, and it's especially amazing
Speaker 1: that it happened in Kansas, a state so read that
Speaker 1: Trump wanted by fourteen points. Yeah, no one expected this.
Speaker 1: This was a bigger shock than when bat Girl found
Speaker 1: out that her real nemesis of the CEO of Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: And this is where you realize, This is where you
Speaker 1: realize as well, the anti abortion views of right wing
Speaker 1: lawmakers and some people on the Supreme Court they don't
Speaker 1: mirror what actual Americans wants, all right, that's not not true.
Speaker 1: And that's a huge problem in this country. It's like
Speaker 1: letting the craziest dude in your friend group plan your
Speaker 1: bachelor party. You're gonna be like, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: play beer pong. How did we end up in a
Speaker 1: Bangkok present? Not cool? Samuel oh In, speaking of earth
Speaker 1: shattering news, Beyonce is changing her album again. Yeah. First
Speaker 1: she took out the word spas from a song because
Speaker 1: some people complained that it was ablest right, And now
Speaker 1: she's removing a sample from one of her other songs
Speaker 1: because Kellyes complained that she didn't get any credit from it.
Speaker 1: And look, I get what Beyonce is doing. It's very nice,
Speaker 1: but I also should point out this could turn into
Speaker 1: a major disaster because you realize now, depending on when
Speaker 1: you listen to the album, you could be hearing completely
Speaker 1: different songs. Yeah, it's just gonna change. You don't even
Speaker 1: know whether thing is gonna be like I heard you
Speaker 1: won't break by Soul and then someone else just like
Speaker 1: you won't score rock goal or someone I was like,
Speaker 1: someone check this mode. You don't know. Can you imagine
Speaker 1: the chaos? Who's gonna cause? Yeah, the next time you
Speaker 1: gotta Beyonce concert is gonna be like everyone's sing along.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be like wa which treasure? Oh and because
Speaker 1: Beyonce is now taking requests, Monica Lewinsky sent out a
Speaker 1: tweet basically saying, what about removing her name in one
Speaker 1: of Beyonce's old songs Partition? All Right, it's a song
Speaker 1: where Beyonce sag he Monica Lewinsky all on my gown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think we can all see why
Speaker 1: Monica wouldn't want that in the song. And for me personally,
Speaker 1: I also think Beyonce should change in the song because
Speaker 1: it's not right technically. It should be he Bill Clinton
Speaker 1: on my gown because that's the guy who did all
Speaker 1: the jizzy. You gotta remember who did the thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Beyonce did anything wrong. I'm just saying, Beyonce,
Speaker 1: you have to understand with the way in school's teach history.
Speaker 1: Your songs might be the only way children learned. It
Speaker 1: needs to be accurate. Ponce is so, whether you agree
Speaker 1: with it or not, Beyonce has made her choice and
Speaker 1: good for her. In fact, you know what I think
Speaker 1: they should say. Some answers have to be forced to
Speaker 1: do it. Beyonce was nice. Some answers have to be
Speaker 1: forced like R Kelly. Yeah, part of his sentence should
Speaker 1: be that he has to go back and redo all
Speaker 1: of his old songs because age is not just the number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back in the studio. My mind's telling me no,
Speaker 1: and not my body understands why it's no. My body
Speaker 1: completely understands. My body completely understands. At speaking of people
Speaker 1: who wish they could go back and change the past,
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, far right wing commentator and man who makes
Speaker 1: Donald Trump look like a reasonable human being, is currently
Speaker 1: on trial for spreading lies about the Sandy Hook shooting rights,
Speaker 1: saying that it was all a hoax, and today in
Speaker 1: the trial, one of the funniest moments came when he
Speaker 1: found out that his inept lawyer had screwed up and
Speaker 1: sent the prosecution evidence that proved Alex Jones committed perjury,
Speaker 1: Mr Jones, did you know that twelve days ago, twelve
Speaker 1: days ago, your attorney's messed up and sitting me an
Speaker 1: entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every
Speaker 1: text message you've sent for the past two years, and
Speaker 1: when informed, did not take any steps to identify it
Speaker 1: as privilege or protected in any way. And as of
Speaker 1: two days ago, it fell free and clear into my possession.
Speaker 1: And that is how I know you died to me
Speaker 1: when you said you didn't have text messages about Samuel.
Speaker 1: Did you know that I was mistaking and I was
Speaker 1: just taking But you've got the lessers, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not a tech guy. I told you I gave
Speaker 1: in my test mooney the phone to the lawyers before
Speaker 1: or whatever and showing you've got my phone, but we
Speaker 1: didn't give it to you. Now, Mr Jones, Oh ship,
Speaker 1: that was funny. Oh man. I like how he was.
Speaker 1: He was so shocked. He started turning into every emoji
Speaker 1: he was like. At one point he even tried to
Speaker 1: give himself COVID. Do you see that I can't speak,
Speaker 1: you know, the disease? I said, it's fake. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it. I've got it now, I got it. You
Speaker 1: know you're in trouble when the truth chokes you up
Speaker 1: like you want an episode of Hot Ones, you know
Speaker 1: with those spicy wings. Is like, I'm sorry, what did
Speaker 1: I say? Ha ha? But you realize, you realize this moment,
Speaker 1: this moment is huge, right because it shows that Alex
Speaker 1: Joe was probably committed perjury, which means Alex Jones lies
Speaker 1: about stuff. Yeah, I know that's shocking because now I'm
Speaker 1: starting to wonder, does that mean camp trails from planes
Speaker 1: aren't turning the frog's game? Was that also alive? By
Speaker 1: the way, where did you get that? Lawyer? We just
Speaker 1: were just talking about that because you see how the
Speaker 1: lawyers are sitting there like blah blah. But ev I
Speaker 1: would love to be there for the classic lawyer clan
Speaker 1: conversation during recess and we're just standing together. So how
Speaker 1: do you think it's going. It's like, well, apart from
Speaker 1: the fact that I screwed this whole thing up worse
Speaker 1: than any lawyer in history, I think we should have
Speaker 1: a shot. I think we should have a shot. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for the headlines. But before we go to
Speaker 1: a quick break, that's check it on the stock market
Speaker 1: without very on finance expert Michael cost to everybody, Michael
Speaker 1: the market a crazy man. What's happening in the market today.
Speaker 1: I'm crushing it man. Uh, I'm like Jackie Chan and
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker because I'm in crush our too, Ladies and Johanna,
Speaker 1: And I got a hot tip for you. You want
Speaker 1: to make some money like Costom makes money, all right,
Speaker 1: I got a hot tip for you, So pay attention.
Speaker 1: All right. So okay, what we got here is the
Speaker 1: last five months the gasoline price. Actually before you get
Speaker 1: that story about the Airbnb slavery story, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, look, they shouldn't be renting that out,
Speaker 1: but I appreciate them being onst You know, every time
Speaker 1: I rent an Airbnb, they're not honest about the pictures
Speaker 1: you said. You said it was a two bedroom quaint apartment.
Speaker 1: I didn't know a quaint meant haunted. Okay, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Airbnb is just catfish for a house. Okay. Like I
Speaker 1: don't want to sleep where slavery happened. I prefer a hotel.
Speaker 1: I'd rather sleep where lifeless, middle aged missionary position sex happen.
Speaker 1: But this is terrible. I mean marketing off of slavery
Speaker 1: is not cool. Using slavery to make a buck, exploiting suffering.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't use Airbnb instead, Trevor, I'm
Speaker 1: a slave to bargain hotels dot net book a bargain today.
Speaker 1: Let's just get to the chart. Okay, So these are
Speaker 1: the gas actually actually that other story about the earth
Speaker 1: spinning the earth spinning, so fat. I'm a financial expert.
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure this is
Speaker 1: happening because of the large population in Asia. Okay, think
Speaker 1: about it. If one part of the Earth is a
Speaker 1: lot heavier than the other, when the earth spins, okay, spinning, spinning,
Speaker 1: spinning gets to Asia, when whip spend gets to Asia,
Speaker 1: whipp think about it, think about it. You know what,
Speaker 1: You're right, You're not a scientist, just tells what's happening
Speaker 1: in This is the price of gasoline over the last
Speaker 1: five months, and it's been a wild ride. Okay. This
Speaker 1: is reminds me of the last time I took ayahuasca
Speaker 1: and went on the sea train. Okay, I mean those
Speaker 1: showtime guys, I thought they were my father. Okay, but look,
Speaker 1: here's the good news. Alright, the price of gas is
Speaker 1: back down. Now. The bad news is that as gasoline
Speaker 1: gets cheaper, arson is gonna go up. Okay, it's just
Speaker 1: so much cheaper to commit arson now even I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about it more. Okay, Trevor, between us guys, all right,
Speaker 1: it leaves no evidence. You get the insurance money, and
Speaker 1: it kills all the spiders. Alright, hot tip, I promised
Speaker 1: you a hot tip, all right. Book in a hotel
Speaker 1: room can feel like a lot of labor. He's the
Speaker 1: burden with bargain hotels dot net. Tell him costa SA
Speaker 1: Do not tell them cost to anything, Michael, cost to everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know what that website is.
Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about how student debt is out of control. So don't
Speaker 1: go away. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about student debts. It's as American as milk. That isn't milk.
Speaker 1: Millions of Americans are college graduates, which is great. College
Speaker 1: provides you job skills, It exposes you some new ideas.
Speaker 1: It gives you a friend named Chad who's like a brother,
Speaker 1: even though he spilled bond water all inside your car
Speaker 1: I love you, Chad, but you're a dick because America
Speaker 1: doesn't properly subsidize higher education like almost every other developed
Speaker 1: nation in the world. The number of Americans with student
Speaker 1: debt is higher now than ever before, and student debt
Speaker 1: is a lot like an STD. Yes, you can get
Speaker 1: it by accidents in college, but then it follows you
Speaker 1: around for the rest of your life. And when I
Speaker 1: say the rest of your life, I mean it. There
Speaker 1: is a ticking time mom looming over the American economy.
Speaker 1: Nearly two trillion dollars in student loans owed by fifty
Speaker 1: million borrowers. And this is not just a problem for
Speaker 1: younger Americans. Those over fifty years old have the fastest
Speaker 1: growing student loan debt burden of any and group of
Speaker 1: Americans sixty and older are in default, and Washington will
Speaker 1: collect by garnishing the social security of seniors in default.
Speaker 1: We met Sara Fina Galante on the campus of San
Speaker 1: Diego State. Galante had to pause making payments four times
Speaker 1: various life problems, but the bigger issue she got older.
Speaker 1: She can only work part time. Her monthly payment one
Speaker 1: hundred seventy six dollars is income based and doesn't even
Speaker 1: cover the interest. This is gonna follow you forever. This
Speaker 1: will follow me to my grave. Yeah, when you picture
Speaker 1: someone with student debt, you might think the cost of girls,
Speaker 1: but you should be thinking of the cost of golden girls.
Speaker 1: Because eight million borrowers over fifty whole, nearly a quarter
Speaker 1: of all federal student debts. And the craziest thing is
Speaker 1: some of them are even having their Social Security checks
Speaker 1: garnished to pay it off. And by the way, when
Speaker 1: they say garnished, it means the money is taken out
Speaker 1: of the check, all right. They're not putting a little
Speaker 1: postibly on the Saturday checks and make it fancy. There's
Speaker 1: a terrifying situation to be and it's embarrassing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you heard that woman her loans might follow her to
Speaker 1: her grave. That is disgusting. When you know, when you're
Speaker 1: on your deathbed, you shouldn't be thinking about college loans.
Speaker 1: You know, you should be thinking of like a cool
Speaker 1: deathbed confession that will mess with your family when you're
Speaker 1: guard you know, I'll just be like your real father
Speaker 1: is keep everybody guessing. The point is American needs solutions
Speaker 1: to the student debt crisis, and it could be canceling
Speaker 1: student loans. It could be guaranteeing free education. You know,
Speaker 1: it could even be punishing colleges if their graduates can't
Speaker 1: get the jobs that pay their loans. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's actually an interesting idea, because you will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: come on here, you'll get a job. You'll get a job,
Speaker 1: and then what happens if you don't. If I was
Speaker 1: a college dean, I would be a lot more concerned
Speaker 1: about my students getting jobs and graduating if otherwise I'd
Speaker 1: have to let them move in with me. Then people
Speaker 1: will be committed, but like, dammit, Chad, you're spelled bog
Speaker 1: water all over my fire. I love you, but you're
Speaker 1: a deck. Whatever the solution is, America cannot allow people
Speaker 1: to be so burdened by debt it follows them to
Speaker 1: the grave, especially because it would make for a very
Speaker 1: awkward reading of the will. Today will be reading from
Speaker 1: the will of Stanley McCormick, who died at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty nine last month while having sex on a
Speaker 1: hot air balloon. That's how he wanted to go. Mr
Speaker 1: McCormick has left instructions for the distribution of his estate. First,
Speaker 1: his life savings, all of which go to Brent. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry who Brent as the collection agent for your dad's
Speaker 1: student loans. Sorry for your loss. So dad was paying
Speaker 1: student loans for sixty years, just had fifty more years
Speaker 1: to go, poor bastard. Let's move on to the material assets.
Speaker 1: The car has been left to Brent. I thought I
Speaker 1: was getting the Turst cell the residents located at one
Speaker 1: ten Pine Lane, Brent score, the family China set smoke
Speaker 1: old out of Poland at the dawn of World War Two.
Speaker 1: Don't say, Brent, Brent. Come on, I don't even like cha, Brent.
Speaker 1: Can we please have that one? It's really special to
Speaker 1: our family. Don't worry. This is going to bring the
Speaker 1: interest rate on his loan up to seven percent. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's going up to seven percent. Student loans are funny.
Speaker 1: The antique watch Brent, the pipe collection Brent, the beloved
Speaker 1: Banjoe Brent, keyboard tickets Brent. And finally his grandchildren's drawings Brent.
Speaker 1: How are those going to pay down his loans? And
Speaker 1: turned this ship into the n f T. And that
Speaker 1: covers everything he did not do well in life, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. I didn't even know he went to college.
Speaker 1: Because we get nothing. Didn't you guys eat grant that
Speaker 1: stuff to pay up your student loans? Shut up? Can
Speaker 1: get a little helpier. You gotta heavy word. All right,
Speaker 1: Stay tuned because up to the break we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out why fish Mike have feelings. Don't go away. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Data show. My guest tonight as a
Speaker 1: rarely interesting young man by the name of Ryugi Chuya.
Speaker 1: He's an activist and a filmmaker who makes educational content
Speaker 1: about animal rights. He's here to talk about his independent
Speaker 1: documentary How Conscious Can a Fish Be? Please welcome, Ryugi
Speaker 1: chiam Welcome to the show. Thank you for much. It's
Speaker 1: like such a honor. It's it's it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: conversation that that you're having, not just in this documentary
Speaker 1: but online. You know what what I love about the
Speaker 1: world we live in today is you can see so
Speaker 1: many interesting people, so many different points of view, and
Speaker 1: it's all because we're connected on social media. You've built
Speaker 1: up quite a following as someone who is a passionate
Speaker 1: animal rights activist, and this documentary in particular is one
Speaker 1: where some people are shocked because they go, wait, wait, real, really,
Speaker 1: you've gone too far, you're saying that fish can be conscious. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, the thing is that growing up I
Speaker 1: didn't think this, right. I think, like many people, I
Speaker 1: grew up to think that fish were these stupid, unconscious
Speaker 1: animals who have a three second memory and can't feel pain.
Speaker 1: And that would have been fine, forgivable if I was
Speaker 1: like in sev. Three. But the thing is that today
Speaker 1: there is a mountain of evidence produced through years of
Speaker 1: research that suggests that fish feel, think, and suffer like dogs,
Speaker 1: cats and other animals. It's interesting that you that you
Speaker 1: say that because, like, you know, when we when we
Speaker 1: think about the world we're living in today, there's no
Speaker 1: annying that. You know, we have to change the ways
Speaker 1: we think about our food. There's no denying that it's
Speaker 1: it's becoming unsustainable. It's also terrible in the way that
Speaker 1: we treat animals, and you know, we we we're just
Speaker 1: trying to make the world a better place. Now. Many
Speaker 1: people say, oh, I can't be vegan, but I am
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. Some people say, well, I'm not that, but
Speaker 1: I'm pesctarian and I can eat fish because I don't
Speaker 1: like how everything else happens. But now you've basically come
Speaker 1: in and you've you've up ended that whole thing because
Speaker 1: there are many people are like, well I'm good I
Speaker 1: eat fish, and you're like, well, you're not as good
Speaker 1: as you think. Well, it's not about judging people and
Speaker 1: saying you're not as good as you think. It's more
Speaker 1: about thinking about it from the animal's perspective. So the
Speaker 1: reason that I'm vegan, for example, is because I just
Speaker 1: look at things from the animals perspective and I think
Speaker 1: to myself, would I want to be in their shoes
Speaker 1: right or in their fins? Because maybe? And the thing
Speaker 1: is that when you look at it that way, well,
Speaker 1: the things that we do, I think that we're missing
Speaker 1: two things. First is the fact that for a lot
Speaker 1: of these animals, we stereotype them in ways where we
Speaker 1: think that you know, we call animals in farms life stock.
Speaker 1: We almost look at them like as something, not as someone,
Speaker 1: when in fact, all of them they can and have
Speaker 1: families and build connections just like dogs, cats and other animals.
Speaker 1: And the second thing is I think people vastly underestimate
Speaker 1: the degree to which they suffer in these systems, because
Speaker 1: obviously the industry is not gonna you know, kind of
Speaker 1: broadcasting themselves. Um and the the information is accessible, but
Speaker 1: it's also uncomfortable to face. I think a lot of people,
Speaker 1: me and myself included, for a long time, just don't
Speaker 1: know how much these animals suffer, how many animals suffer.
Speaker 1: It is, it is. It is a difficult thing to um,
Speaker 1: I think consume or even process because you know, you
Speaker 1: grow up eating meat, you grow up eating whatever diet
Speaker 1: you grow up. Some people don't. But but then for instance,
Speaker 1: you right, you see a documentary, you go like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's how they treat cows. I don't want cows. I want,
Speaker 1: you know, free range cows. I want free range chickens.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good. And then you you see
Speaker 1: something else and you're like, okay, I won't do that either.
Speaker 1: But then many people would argue to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: but fish in the ocean just swimming around, And so
Speaker 1: if I eat wild cought fish, then then why is
Speaker 1: that a bad thing? Or you or you're saying it's
Speaker 1: not good or bad though? Is that what you're arguing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying well, you're not even trying to moralize it.
Speaker 1: You can you could know I would moralize it but
Speaker 1: it's not about good or bad. It's just that whether
Speaker 1: or not me or you or anyone else thinks this
Speaker 1: is good or bad, fishing causes tremendous suffering to an
Speaker 1: immeasurable number of fish. And that's the issue. To me,
Speaker 1: and for me, an issue is an issue when there's
Speaker 1: someone who suffers, Right, So I don't care that, Like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and be like I emotionally
Speaker 1: feel compelled to care about fish the same way I
Speaker 1: care about dogs. I didn't grow up around fish, right
Speaker 1: Like I grew up around dogs. And they don't do
Speaker 1: cool tricks. Yeah they don't. Well, some of them do
Speaker 1: cool tricks, I mean not as cool as Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: but m yeah. So the thing is because they suffer,
Speaker 1: and they're suffering matters to them. That's why I flag
Speaker 1: it as an issue. But it's interesting that you say suffer.
Speaker 1: So so let's talk a little bit about that, because
Speaker 1: I know in the documentary, and you know, you you
Speaker 1: cite the research, there is mounting evidence that talks about
Speaker 1: suffering or pain, et cetera. We know that pain extends
Speaker 1: far further than we thought it ever. Did you know
Speaker 1: we learned new things every day. People, for instance, watch
Speaker 1: the documentary about the octopus on Netflix, people like, oh,
Speaker 1: the octopuss feelings and not people like I don't want
Speaker 1: eat octopus anymore, which is which is fine. But but
Speaker 1: when we think of it through the lens of suffering,
Speaker 1: do you not think sometimes we're imbuing animals with a
Speaker 1: level of almost complicated consciousness that they don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: because of the circle of life. So like, let's say
Speaker 1: when a lion is hunting and then you know, it
Speaker 1: goes and it grabs like an antelope or whatever, right,
Speaker 1: the other antelope like bad, that sucked, and then they
Speaker 1: just carry on with their lives. You no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean this honestly. I watched them sometimes and you
Speaker 1: know that the antelope thing happens, and the antelope just
Speaker 1: carry on. I'm like, wow, I'm a lot more devastated
Speaker 1: on my couch than they are. So are they suffering
Speaker 1: or do you think we're imbuing them with the idea
Speaker 1: of what we think suffering is? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think the it's a complicated conversation, definitely, But the fact,
Speaker 1: like the way that we define suffering or the way
Speaker 1: that I would think about suffering is an experience that's
Speaker 1: unpleasant to you, Okay, Right, that's kind of like the
Speaker 1: definition of suffering. And in that sense, I think it's
Speaker 1: undeniable that animals suffers, say, like when an antelope gets eaten,
Speaker 1: that's probably a painful experience. Yeah, yeah, like know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: whether or not, like how complicated that suffering is, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that relevance to whether or not we
Speaker 1: should care about that suffering. I mean, whether or not
Speaker 1: they're as devastated as you or I would be in
Speaker 1: a similar situation doesn't change the fact that they're being
Speaker 1: eaten alive, right, And similar for example, with fish when
Speaker 1: they're being grabbed out of the ocean in a huge net,
Speaker 1: or they die in horrific ways, they're being crushed under
Speaker 1: the weight of other fish, and then they're just spilled
Speaker 1: into this boat. Oftentimes they're put in this mixture of
Speaker 1: ice and water. They're suffocating the whole time, and that
Speaker 1: experience to them might not be so different to the
Speaker 1: experience of you or me drowning. You know, in a way,
Speaker 1: it's a very primal form of suffering that the experience
Speaker 1: in that moment so then let's talk about it through
Speaker 1: the lens of just animals and help me understand this.
Speaker 1: If I said to you, then okay, reu gee, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen is we're gonna get rid of all
Speaker 1: industrialized farming. You know, there will be no boats that
Speaker 1: are catching thousands of fish. We're gonna go back to
Speaker 1: the olden days like one person, you catch a fish,
Speaker 1: I catch my fish. We we do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Would you be happy with that for yourself? Or you
Speaker 1: saying no, you wouldn't even engage with the eating of
Speaker 1: a living thing. Sure? Again, for me, it's not about
Speaker 1: me being happy, right, So for me, it's about doing
Speaker 1: the best thing possible for the animals looking at it
Speaker 1: from their perspective. But what about us? No, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even mean this like something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And the reason I say this what about
Speaker 1: us is because I go sometimes as humans, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like we forget that we're also animals. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we are also animals, and then those animals, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of time we'll go like the animal,
Speaker 1: but then the animal will do a thing to you,
Speaker 1: Like let's say you see like a bay. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: the bear is cute, and some people go, let me
Speaker 1: go touch to the bay. Then the bears like then
Speaker 1: the people like that bears an asshole, And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: the bar is just a bay. It's doing bad things?
Speaker 1: Are we? Are we not just doing human things in
Speaker 1: that way? Like it is? It is? It? Does it
Speaker 1: need to be moralized in any way shape? Should we?
Speaker 1: Are we not just meant to eat the thing because
Speaker 1: it's it's it's food for us. Yeah? Sure, I mean
Speaker 1: you could say that it's a human thing. But again,
Speaker 1: whether or not you or me or anyone else considers
Speaker 1: this a human thing doesn't change the fact that an
Speaker 1: action would cause suffering. And in my view, if we
Speaker 1: can prevent suffering from happening, then why not do it?
Speaker 1: Because if I was in that position, then I would
Speaker 1: not want to suffer. Huh. If I was in that position,
Speaker 1: I would not, I agree with. If I was a fish,
Speaker 1: I would not want to be caught. Yeah, I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you. They don't try to be caught, They
Speaker 1: don't want to like have have that existence. So what
Speaker 1: would you say to somebody who wants to get into
Speaker 1: this life because one thing I do appreciate you about
Speaker 1: you honestly is this is like oftentimes you'll talk to
Speaker 1: vegans and one they'll always let you know that they're
Speaker 1: vegans without you're asking them. And too they will judge people,
Speaker 1: but you don't judge. That's something I've I've really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: You inform people, you you do the research, you talk
Speaker 1: about it, but you're not judge. You're not like you're
Speaker 1: an asshole for doing this, you're wrong for doing this.
Speaker 1: You go, this is why I'm making the decision, and
Speaker 1: this is what we should be cognizant of. So if
Speaker 1: somebody says to you, Okay, I want to explore getting
Speaker 1: into this world, but I may not have the nutrition,
Speaker 1: I may not. I mean, look at America, there's people
Speaker 1: who live in food deserts. There's people who don't have
Speaker 1: access to the to the right foods. How can they
Speaker 1: even begin the journey of a more ethical existence when
Speaker 1: it comes to what they eat? So I think they're well,
Speaker 1: three things. Really. The first thing would be to change
Speaker 1: our view on how we see animals. Right, So for me,
Speaker 1: the big thing that changed becoming a vegan is that
Speaker 1: I started seeing all animals as a someone not a something. Okay, Curiously,
Speaker 1: I never spent time with cows or chickens or pigs,
Speaker 1: but it turns out that they're just like dogs and cats,
Speaker 1: and I think the more we can have that mindset
Speaker 1: is really good. The second thing is to get informed
Speaker 1: about what we actually do to them, because again I
Speaker 1: think that many people vastly underestimate the amount of suffering
Speaker 1: that we caused them, even in just the legal things
Speaker 1: that we do to them. A lot of those things
Speaker 1: are things that would be outrageous have done to dogs
Speaker 1: and cats. It would be legal that like they would
Speaker 1: get canceled and arrested if we did this dog and
Speaker 1: cats is what would happened, right, So I think get
Speaker 1: informed on that. And thirdly, there's so many resources on
Speaker 1: how to live a vegan lifestyle in many different shapes
Speaker 1: and forms. Like I think one of the misconceptions is
Speaker 1: that being vegan is all about eating, you know, beyond
Speaker 1: meats and these fancy meat substitutes, But in fact, you
Speaker 1: can have a very simple, whole food, plant based lifestyle
Speaker 1: that is could be a lot cheaper and a lot
Speaker 1: healthier as well. There are many many ways to go
Speaker 1: about it, and so you can just do reason on
Speaker 1: that and find what works for you. I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: You're fascinating. I've really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining me on the show, so much
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