1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. How would you describe 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: the state of the housing market in your city right 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: now in one word? 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: In one word nuanced, good and bad weird. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: Those were the voices of real estate agents I talked 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: to in a few major US cities. And while there's 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: no single perfect word to capture the vibe of the 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: housing market this past season, the data itself is clear. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: This spring, across the board, people aren't buying and selling 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: as much as they normally do. 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: I think spring was just a time of turmoil. 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Colin Wainwright is a real estate broker in Nashville, Tennessee. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: So what we ended up seeing is a little bit 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: of a freeze, a little bit of flattening out. A 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: lot of buyers are still failing locked out. 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: April through June is usually the busiest time for the 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: real estate industry, when the school year is ending and 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: families are to move before everything starts back up again 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: in the fall. But this May, the number of Nashville 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: homes sold was down sixteen percent compared to last year, 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: according to the real estate brokerage Redfin. Sales ticked up 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: slightly in June, but Bloomberg's US housing reporter Prashant Gopaul 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: says there's an even grimmer picture for home sales emerging 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: across the country. 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: I looked at the spring season and that was the 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: lowest since twenty twelve. 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: His one word to describe the market. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: Week, I mean, actually, you could say it's the weakest 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: housing market since the wake of the Great Financial Crisis. 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: When it comes to real estate, people always talk about 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: whether we're in a buyer's market or a seller's market. 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: But Ansley Stokes, a realtor in the Washington, DC area, 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: says this spring freeze has left everyone frustrated. 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: In a slower market like we're in now, and both 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: parties can sometimes feel like they are losing. 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the big take from 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News Today. On the show, a Stalemate in the 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: American housing market, How unaffordability and uncertainty have combined to 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: slow down US home sales, and what could get people 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: moving again. Buying a house in the US has become 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: more and more of a pipe dream for many Americans. 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: But Bloomberg's Pishanko Paul says there were signs that the 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: country's punishing housing market was starting to get better, at 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: least for some buyers. At the beginning of this year. 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: We saw more people starting to list their homes again. 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: We saw inventory as a whole started to rise, and 47 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: then mortgage rates ticked down slightly. So all of that 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: really looked positive. It looked like we were finally beginning 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: to break out of the cycle. But that didn't quite. 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Happen because just as things were looking up, the economy 51 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: started feeling the effects of Trump's first few months in office. 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: Those inventory levels rose, but buyers didn't show up, and 53 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: you know, they didn't show up because there was a 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: lot of chaos in the economy. 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: The Trump administrations cuts to the federal workforce continue. 56 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: And the moves at Wall Street plumbers, small business owners 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 4: are terrified over what's next. 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: After President Trump's tariff announcement, it was one thing after 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: the other, and I think a lot of buyers just 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: werespooked by the whole thing. That's the big change this year. 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: We track the absorption rate. It's basically what percentage of 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: the available inventory is getting taken off the market by 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: buyers in any given one month period. 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: That's Annsley Stokes, the realtor who works in the Washington 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: DC area. 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: The higher the absorption rate, the stronger the market is 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: from a seller's perspective. So we've seen that absorption rate 68 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: kind of steadily fall off since the beginning of the year, 69 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: and it has largely dovetailed with the election and with 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: all of the changes coming down from the federal government. 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Cuts to staffing in Washington hit the DC area especially 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: hard with its high population of federal government employees, but 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: the rest of the US felt the impacts of the 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: new administration's policies too. 75 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: Buyers, they're up against worsening affordability, but in the background, 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 5: there's also uncertainty with the trade war and just the 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 5: overall economic situation, federal layoffs, layoffs in the tech industry. 78 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Darryl Fairweather is the chief economist at Redfin. 79 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 5: A lot of buyers aren't feeling like now is the 80 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 5: right time to commit to a really big purchase. 81 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: The median home price in America was over four hundred 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in April, and mortgage rates have been hovering 83 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: around six point eight percent for much of this year. 84 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: Home sales are near record lows, and that's because there 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: are so few buyers out there. 86 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: If fewer sales are happening. You'd think sellers might bring 87 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: down prices to help attract buyers. Is that happening. 88 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 5: Well, instead of bringing down prices, sellers are just like 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: kind of taking the ball and going home. They're staying 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 5: put instead of participating in the housing market. They don't 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: feel like it's worth it to lower their price because 92 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: if they were to re enter the market, they feel 93 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 5: like they couldn't afford to buy the same kind of 94 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 5: home that they're in. 95 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: Some of those would be sellers also locked in low 96 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: mortgage rates during the pandemic, Like per Shant. 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: I have a two point three percent mortgage rate. 98 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: Wow, I'm sure a lot of listeners would be jealous 99 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: to hear that. 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: To get me to get rid of that two point 101 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: three percent rate and take on you know wherever it 102 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: is now six point eighty five percent is not going 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: to be very easy. So for me to sell, I 104 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: have to really have a good reason to sell and 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: buy something else. It's called the mortgage lock in effect. 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: And Annsley, the DC realtor we heard from earlier, says 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: that cycle of sellers feeling locked in buyers having limited 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: options can be demoralizing for sellers. 109 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 4: Looking back, over the past, you know, five years, and 110 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 4: watching how quickly everything's sold, and it seemed like everybody 111 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: who listed a house got multiple offers and the sellers 112 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: got everything that they were looking for. And so now 113 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: all of the sudden sellers feel very beat up. They're 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: feeling very defensive. They think their properties are selling for 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: less than they should be, so that causes a lot 116 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: more friction in a transaction. 117 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: Sellers looked at this market and they said, wow, this 118 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: this kind of sucks. 119 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: So to paint a picture, prices are still high, mortgage 120 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: rates are still high, sales are way down, and new 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: listings are starting to retreat, and that's created sort of 122 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: this perfect storm. 123 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true. You know, there's certain reasons 124 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: why people have to sell in any economy, right if 125 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: you get a divorce, if you have a kid, if 126 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 3: you have to move for a job. Those people will 127 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: move no matter what's going on. But there are other 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: people who can choose to move or not move. Those 129 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: are the people who might be pulling back right now 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: in terms of listing their homes. 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: So what's going to thaw out the frozen US housing market? 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: That's after the break we've talked about what's keeping US 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: home buyers and sellers in a stalemate right now? High prices, 134 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: high mortgage rates, and a rocky economic outlook. But what 135 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: could turn things around, Bloomberg's Pishanko Paul says would be 136 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: buyers and sellers are holding out for one of those things, 137 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: in particular, to change mortgage rates. 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: A lot of people are talking about this magic six 139 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: percent rate, which you know, I don't know how true 140 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: that is. Maybe there is some magical rate that if 141 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: it drops below that, psychologically that's enough to get buyers 142 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: off the fence. 143 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: This week, the Federal Reserve chose to hold interest rates study, 144 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: which means mortgage rates likely won't change dramatically unless there's 145 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: a major shock to the economy. At the FED meeting 146 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, when chair Jerome Powell was asked about what 147 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: his rate decision meant for the housing market, he pointed 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: to another issue beyond rates. 149 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't built enough housing. This is not something 150 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: that FED can help with. 151 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: But then that'll be the case even after things normalize, 152 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: and Powell is right, even if mortgage rates do come down, 153 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: the US is still short some four point seven million homes. 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: According to zillo I, asked Daryl Fairweather at Redfinn about this. 155 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: What role does increasing housing supply and increasing that inventory 156 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: play in getting out of this stalemate. 157 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 5: Well, new construction is playing a much bigger role in 158 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 5: the market than it has, you know, in the last decade. 159 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 5: Because of the fact that there are so few existing 160 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 5: homes for sale, many people are turning to new construction. 161 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: In terms of new construction single family homes, those tend 162 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: to be the most expensive because they're brand new, They're 163 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: going to cost more, and for a first time buyer, 164 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: it's oftentimes like too big of a hurdle to go 165 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: straight to that new construction home. Most people choose starter 166 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 5: homes that are existing homes, But new construction of DNSE 167 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 5: housing like missing middle housing, like town homes duplexes, can 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 5: really do a lot to make that entry point more 169 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 5: viable for a first time buyer. 170 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: Some cities and states around the country are doing things 171 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: like loosening zoning restrictions to try and encourage construction of 172 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that missing middle housing, essentially homes that are somewhere between 173 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: a single family home and a high rise building. And 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: there are efforts to address the housing crisis at the 175 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: federal level too, just This week, the Senate Banking Committee 176 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: advanced legislation meant to spur more housing development and make 177 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: it easier for Americans to access loans to buy and 178 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: repair homes. The bill will face House approval in the fall, 179 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: but Darryl says supply is always just one part of 180 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: the puzzle. 181 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 5: I think all of these solutions are going to be 182 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 5: really helpful. Part of the problem is is that with 183 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 5: high interest rates, it's really expensive to build that kind 184 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 5: of housing, and people have a lot of their equity 185 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 5: locked up in their homes. So if mortgage rates were 186 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 5: to fall, it could actually help development as well. So 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 5: that's one reason to hope for lower interest rates. 188 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: It can take time for these long term efforts to 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: pay off, for policy changes to pass, or for new 190 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: construction to break ground. In the meantime, the real estate 191 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: agents I spoke with are seeing their clients react to 192 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: the realities of the housing market as it stands now. 193 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: We're seeing a record number of price reductions from a 194 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: list price perspective, and then we're seeing additional price concessions 195 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: once negotiations start. 196 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: DC Area realtor Ansley Stokes says sellers are finally starting 197 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: to meet buyers where they're at for advice to those 198 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: sellers set realistic express patients. 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: Doesn't matter that a year ago that the similar house 200 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 4: sold for ten percent more. That is not the market today. 201 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 6: Everyone's used to the COVID market where you know, sellers 202 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 6: could put a house on the market and get anything 203 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 6: they wanted for it. 204 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: That's Christina Kipping, a real estate agent based in Tampa. 205 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 6: I just got a buyer under contract fully escated this morning, 206 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 6: and with them it was we weren't going out first 207 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 6: weekend making offers. That's not happening anymore. Buyers are looking 208 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 6: at house as if they like it, they may go 209 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: back two weeks later after they've done full on research 210 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 6: of the neighborhoods, the schools, you know, walkability. I just 211 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 6: say buyers are being a little bit more patient. 212 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: But not everyone can afford to take their time. 213 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: There's an old adage in real estate about all the 214 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: d's that drive real estate purchases. 215 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: Colin Wayne right from Nashville again. 216 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: You have death, divorced diapers, diamonds, debt. All of these 217 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: things are life events that drive the real estate industry 218 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: forward and make people need to have a change in 219 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: their housing needs. And so a lot of people who 220 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: had been sitting on the sidelines when the rates first 221 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: jumped up. They may have been able to wait for 222 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: a little while, but a lot of times those d's 223 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: can't wait anymore, and so the market has to turn forward. 224 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: This is the Big Take from Bloomberg News. 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