1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Vari Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: Before we begin, I'd like to do something important. I'd 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the land that were gathered on and 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: the first peoples who have gathered on this land, who 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: were and still are the stewards of this land. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: This country is going straight to hell. 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: America is infected with a disease, and that disease is 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: called racism. It often is utilized to support economic benefits 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: of corporations, the economic benefits of those who use such 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: divisions in order for their personal profit. This country has 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: had a longstanding labor practice that is despicable at best. 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: And so the idea of make America great again, we 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: don't see a country that it's gone wrong, in my opinion, 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: we see a country that has never been right. 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: You know, there are entire things that happened in this 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: administration that would be a hallmark achievement for other presidents, 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 4: and we never even mentioned them because we have so 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: many other things going on, and no one. 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Calls us out on it. 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: Because there are so many things this president is doing. 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: He's like a man possessed. 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: I love it. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 4: I mean, who remembers that he federalized DC. It's already forgotten. 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 4: The man went in, they bulldozed all the trash and 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 4: got it all out of there and cleaned up DC. 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: Because he knew in a matter of hours he was 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: going to fly to Alaska to talk to Putin and 29 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: then fly back and have Zelenski here and spank him 30 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: and tell him how to cawate to cabbage and what 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: was going to happen. 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: And he wanted DC to look nice, not like some. 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: Democrat city that's just a couple of days ago. 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: It's already forgotten. And you know, he does these things. 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: It's so brilliant. 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: The angles that he plays are so brilliant because he 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 4: creates situations with statements and actions that put the Democrats 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: in the position of having to defend the indefensible. 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: So when he says, hey, crime's too high, people. 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 4: Getting killed, it's filthy, they're homeless people everywhere. Everything is broken, 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: it looks it's blighted. 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to fix it, and they have to run 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: out and go, no, you can't fix it. You can't 44 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: fix it. That's not right. We don't want it fixed. 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: You can't make it safe. 46 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: And then they roll out to the police chief, bless 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 4: her heart, Deputy dumb ass, She's just dumb as she 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: can be. 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: And we all know why she's there. And it ain't. 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: It ain't because she's a modern incantation of but for 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 4: t Pusser. So the cleanup underway, the deployment of the 52 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: National Guard. Pam Bondy a is head of the DC 53 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: Police Department, and then there's a press conference with the 54 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: Chief of Police Pamela Smith. 55 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh she's a doozy. 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: So naturally somebody from the media asked, what the chain 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: of command is now that Pam Bondy is taken over? 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: Is it is it Pam Bondy the Attorney General who's 59 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: now the head of the police department, or is it 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: you the chief? 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Believe what's the chain of command? 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: It turns out the chief of police has no idea 63 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: what a chain of command is. I wonder what was 64 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: going through the police chief's head as the mayor bumped 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: her out of the way to answer a simple question. 66 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: Does what the chain of command is? 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 6: Now? What does that mean? 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 5: What is it Pam Bondi's you? 69 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Or how does this work? 70 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 7: So at the executive here we go again, may stepping 71 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 7: in front of my business chany command, he says, I 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 7: mean here in DC, should we command by change? 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 6: Change knives and guns? Shanks numb chudgy. I doesn't seen 74 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 6: one of the ADHD kids take a fidget. 75 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: Spinner from the mid two thousands and Robert Entire seven. 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: Eleven change command? 77 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 6: Who you think you is, who you think you is, 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 6: who you think you is, who you. 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: Think Since the start of the war in Ukraine, President 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: Trump has said that if he had been in office 81 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: instead of the brain dead Joe Biden, Russia would have 82 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: never invaded. 83 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt was asked. 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: What security guarantees will be in place that will prevent 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: Russia from invading again once Trump is out of office, since. 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 8: The President often says this war would not have started 87 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 8: if you were in office, and Putin confirmed that true, 88 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 8: How's do you. 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: Accept that as true? 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 6: EU leaders do well, and President. 91 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Putin himself said that I did say that. 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 8: The question I have though, is what is the president 93 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 8: going to do to ensure that these security guarantees last 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 8: beyond him into the time when he is no longer president? 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: And does that have to involve Congress at all? 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 9: Well, he understands the need for that which he spoke 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 9: to yesterday, and what's he. 98 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 6: Going to do. 99 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 9: It's why he's engaging in so many talks, in so 100 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 9: many conversations with both sides of this war, with our 101 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 9: European allies. It's why on the way home from Anchorage, Alaska, 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 9: very late at nights, when I know many of you 103 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 9: on the press plane were sleeping and many staff were sleeping, 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 9: the President himself was still awake at two o'clock in 105 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 9: the morning talking to European leaders and NATO about how 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 9: we can ensure a lasting piece and bring this conflict 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 9: to an end. He is It's expended an incredible amount 108 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 9: of time, energy, and effort into bringing this war to 109 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 9: an end, and he remains determined. 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 6: To do that. 111 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: So they can't. 112 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: They criticized Trump that he couldn't get a peace deal. 113 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: Now that he got a peace steal, they say, well, yeah, 114 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: but what happens when you're not president anymore and you're 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: along gone and we put another Democrat in there and 116 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 4: they let putin invade again, Then what happens? 117 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 5: Then? 118 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: What happens? 119 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: Then? What happened? 120 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: That's like saying, yeah, this is a beautiful building you're building, 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: but what happens when you die fifty years from now 122 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: and you're not here, Who's going to mow the grass? 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: He sounds stupid. 124 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: The Michael Berry Show Michael Berry Show. March first was 125 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: thirteen years since we lost the Great Andrew Breitbart at far, 126 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 4: far too young, an age, only forty three years old. 127 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: I remember at the time thinking this will have a 128 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 4: ripple effect for years and years and years, and I 129 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: worried will his legacy live on? He was building something, 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: was building something influential, significant, meaningful. 131 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: I've told you. 132 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,119 Speaker 4: Recently the story about him getting up on the table 133 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: when we were in DC at a radio conference with 134 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: Big News, and he loved the confrontation and the conflict 135 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: and the full crumb of change that he was bringing. 136 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: And he was a real warrior. 137 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: I would have been interested to watch him during the 138 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: Trump era and see how he performed. 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: It was incredible. 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: But I always wondered how long would breit Bart, in 141 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 4: the institution he built live on. Well, here we are 142 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: thirteen years later. The editor in chief of breit Bart 143 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: News is Alex Marlow, two time New York Times bestselling 144 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: author of Breaking the News and separately Breaking Biden, his 145 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: third book, which I'm looking forward to is entitled Breaking 146 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: Donald Trump is a subject I've been looking forward to discussing. 148 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: Much like the COVID shot and the Epstein files. I 149 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 4: think these things need to be explored. I think we 150 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: need to dig deep, get granular, and understand them and 151 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: not just rush them under the rug and move on 152 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: as we often tend to do. 153 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Alex Marlow, Welcome to the program, Mike Device to be 154 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: with you. 155 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me back. 156 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: So let's talk about why you write this book, Breaking 157 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: the Law Exposing the Weaponization of America's Legal System against 158 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: Donald Trump? 159 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: What was the genesis? 160 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: What's going through your head when you decide to put 161 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 4: the time and effort into this. 162 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 5: So the first thing I thought of is I was 163 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 5: watching all of these Trump trials play out, there were 164 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 5: six in total, and I was I can barely keep 165 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: these things straight. And this man is being asked to 166 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 5: defend himself publicly, to defend his name, to try to 167 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 5: stay out of jail, to try to not get bankrupt 168 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 5: while he's running for reelection or running for election a 169 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 5: second time from a courthouse which has never been asked 170 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 5: of any standard bearer of any major party in our history. 171 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 5: All that was off putting into all disgrace, and I 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 5: don't think most of us, unless you're a professional legal 173 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 5: pundit could even keep the six cases straight. And then 174 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 5: the criminal conviction comes down in what I came to 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 5: regard as the worst, most sloppy case of the six 176 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 5: and you start realizing this is a political persecution on 177 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 5: level we've never seen before, and no one's really described 178 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 5: me as such. I regard this as the scandal of 179 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 5: the century. And it's not just directed to Donald Trump's 180 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: directed as his supporters j six prisoners of people who 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 5: were at Trump's attorneys, but just even regular conservative Americans 182 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 5: have seen a rash of unpersoning, d banking, having their 183 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 5: law licenses targeted by left wing activist groups. And it's 184 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 5: all part of this law fair apparatus that's been built 185 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 5: for a very long time, and it was time that 186 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 5: someone did a big takedown of it and a big 187 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 5: explanation of what's really happening in the threat to depose us. 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: It's a lot to unpack. So where do you start 189 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 4: with a project like this? How do you begin to 190 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: give structure to some of you think I'm storybooking a 191 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: movie here. 192 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of. 193 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: Different quarter If you got fat Fan, you got Jack Smith, 194 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: you've got a big tissue. You got the rating, their 195 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: painty drawers, and mar Lago. How do you begin to 196 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: bring this together and make sense of it all so 197 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: you can tell the story? 198 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. So I have a big perspective in that I'm 199 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 5: not an attorney, but I have very smart attorneys who 200 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: worked for me at Breitbart. So that was the first move, 201 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 5: was I when I reached out to my publisher and 202 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 5: my agent and said, do you think there's there's something here? 203 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: And when they said there was, my next calls were 204 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 5: to the attorneys on my staff at bright Bart News. 205 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 5: Joel Pollock, who's a Harvard trained attorney who is probably 206 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 5: familiar to a lot of your audience, the prolific guy 207 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 5: King Kleukowski, who works now for Senator Lee in the 208 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 5: Senate Judiciary and formally was one of our one of 209 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 5: our senior leagual contributors at bright Bart, super brilliant lawyers. 210 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 5: And I just started having them just walk me through 211 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: so I could understand the cases. And that's how it began. 212 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 5: And when I felt like I was fluid on the cases, 213 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 5: which took a very long time. That was probably the 214 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 5: hardest work that I had to do myself, was to 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 5: try to understand all the differences and keep them straight. 216 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 5: Once I felt like I had that down, then I 217 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 5: reached out to President Trump's people and spoke to President 218 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 5: Trump and spoke to Alina Haba and Borise Epstein and 219 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 5: a bunch of the people who represent President Trump, and 220 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 5: they gave me more to tail in more stories. So 221 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 5: there are stories to tell in this that are exclusive, 222 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: which was really interesting. And at that point I was 223 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 5: able to draw some pretty big conclusions about what was 224 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 5: really happening here, and I try to lay those out 225 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 5: and then offer some solutions. 226 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: When you began to research this subject and you start 227 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: talking to I mean, Joel, obviously someone's been on our 228 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: show and a bright mind. And there are some people 229 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: who in disparate parts of the country, with disparate backgrounds, 230 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: a lot of them in the legal world, who've been 231 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: reporting on pieces of which this is a whole. I 232 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: think it's a conspiracy and conspiracy and carried out and 233 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: conducted in a very impressive, flawlessly conducted. Me saying in 234 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 4: a very impressive and fast manner as you start researching, 235 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: What were some of the things that came clear to 236 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 4: you that, hey, I thought I knew what was going 237 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: on here, I didn't realize this. 238 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is something that happens quite a bit. 239 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: And I'm editor in Chieaver of White Part, so I 240 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 5: would like to think I know more about what's going 241 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 5: on in the world than the vast majority of people. 242 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: But I still you don't do a good job in 243 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 5: my line of work unless you have a humble streak 244 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 5: to you, which I do. So I'm routinely in tune 245 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 5: with when well I learned something, and I can only 246 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 5: assume my audience doesn't know this either, because if I 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: don't know it, then I'm not going to assume that 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 5: they know. It's I want to help, and that's really 249 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 5: what this endeavor is is you try to explain a 250 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: phenomenon in detail in a way that's accessible, and hopefully 251 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 5: do it in a timely manner, because this law for 252 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 5: apparatus is working right now when it's working overtime. But 253 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: to emphasize the first and most important point I can 254 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 5: make here is all of this is illegal. Everything that 255 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: went on is illegal. Are due process protections in the 256 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 5: US Constitution, which we supposedly still value as the most 257 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 5: consequential legal document in the country. And if we regard 258 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 5: it as such, then you cannot have persecutions that are 259 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 5: designed directly to target political opponents. And then if those 260 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: still somehow end up in criminal convictions or judgments where 261 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 5: you're found liable in a civil court, you cannot assess 262 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 5: cool and unusual punishments. And in the cases that Trump lost, 263 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 5: and there were several of them, they were invariably assigned 264 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 5: cool and unusual punishments, punishments that had never been levied 265 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 5: on any person ever, especially not someone who's currently running 266 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 5: for president. All of the design is avert our democracy 267 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: so that you and the people in this audience don't 268 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 5: get to choose who your elected leaders are so long 269 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 5: as they offend the lawfare apparatus. 270 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: So I started life as a lawyer. You wouldn't know this. 271 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 4: I started life as a lawyer, and I went to 272 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: the University of Texas law school, and all I ever 273 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: wanted to be was a lawyer. He was in love 274 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 4: with the law. And Oliver Wendell Holmes and Antonin Scalia 275 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: and Clarence Thomas and these titans of law, and then 276 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: I went on and did another law. 277 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: Degree because I wanted to teach law. 278 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: I believe in the law, I love it, I admire it, jurisprudence, 279 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: in the history. And to see this gun it sickens me, Alex, 280 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: it sickens me. Our guest is Alex Marlowe of breitbarty 281 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: has a new book called Breaking the Law, exposing the 282 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump and taught 283 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: More with Ankles and. 284 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 5: King alv Ding and this other guy, Michael Barry. 285 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: Our guest is Alex Marlowe. He is the editor in 286 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 4: chief of Breitbart News. He's a two time New York 287 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: Times bestselling author. He wrote Breaking the News, and then 288 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: he wrote Breaking Biden, and now he writes perhaps the 289 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: most consequential of the three, Breaking the Law, exposing the 290 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump. What do 291 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: you think is going to shock people most, Alex about 292 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: this book? 293 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Is the book available now? 294 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? It is. Actually it's also a bestsellers or do 295 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 5: your Times bestsellers? So three in a row for me. 296 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: So thanks if anyone in the audience I bought it already. 297 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 5: Thanks for the. 298 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: Support, and you can find it online and at bookstores 299 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: near you. 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 5: Alex, Yeah, well wherever you want. Amazon's easiest. I'm not 301 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: I understand that's unpalatable to some people. But Amazon's easiest, 302 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: Pond and Noble Books a million whatever is your favorite target, 303 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: and Walmart it out them too, So how do you 304 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 5: like to get it? I'm pretty agnostic. Don't count on 305 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: it being your local cutsy bookstore though. As much as 306 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 5: we all love those stores, those people don't tend to 307 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 5: share my politics. 308 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't think the aspin bookstore will have it. 309 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: I was reading about the book, and your book publicist 310 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: said in conclusion, finally, he makes bold predictions on where 311 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 4: Lawfair is heading. Yes, they are coming for you, and 312 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: other ways to fight its expanse before. 313 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: It's too late. Everyone wants to know. 314 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: Okay, I don't want him harming Trump because he's my defender, 315 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: he's our great president. 316 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: But how is this coming for me? 317 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 5: Yeah? So, first of all, in terms of the surprise, 318 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 5: is the biggest surprise for me. What I was shocked 319 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: by was how there was coordination with the White House, 320 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 5: or at least the very uper echelons of the DJ 321 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 5: which you're clearly coordinating with the White House in all 322 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 5: six of the major cases that I went through, which 323 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 5: is every one of them violates two process rights. And 324 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 5: the fact that this wasn't somehow adjudicated before the election 325 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: is shocking, and it does it does boggle the mind 326 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 5: that this was tolerated by our legal apparatus, and one 327 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 5: of the cases made all the way to the Supreme Court, 328 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: and it was still because Justice Bierreit, who I have 329 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 5: mixed opinions on. I don't not everything she does is wrong, 330 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 5: but she started with the three Liberals in basically legitimizing 331 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 5: one of the most offensive cases. I'll let the audience 332 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: read for that one. But I was stunned by the coordination, 333 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: the blatant coordination with the White House that was done, 334 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: which is clearly clearly illegal, and yet nothing was done 335 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 5: about it at the time, which shocks me. But it 336 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 5: doesn't mean we can't investigate and try to hold people 337 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 5: accountable now. In fact, we must. And so that's why 338 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 5: I try to lay out some predictions, because the consequences 339 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 5: are is that if the people who are empowered now 340 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 5: are not investigating, they need to be removed, and we 341 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: need to be We need to find better, more steadfast, 342 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 5: more gutsy, more diligent representatives. So I'm speaking to the 343 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 5: conservative movement here. If you are not saskery your elected leaders, 344 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 5: we need to find better ones and vote for them. 345 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 5: And we cannot sit out make your elections. We can't 346 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 5: sit out special elections. We cannot not pay attention to 347 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 5: the judge ship elections that are down our ballots. We 348 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 5: need to be vigilant and engaged twenty four to seven 349 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: if we have any intention of beating the law for superstructure, 350 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 5: because they're working very hard right now in terms of 351 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 5: how they're coming for us. The tease us a little 352 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 5: bit last time. But I go through cases of dbanking 353 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 5: where people lose their bank accounts because they have a 354 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 5: conservative business. I go through cases of lawyers being targeted 355 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 5: for disbardment, lawyers who are not just you don't get 356 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: a job at a white shoe law firm and make 357 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 5: seven figures we're talking about. There's a group called Project 358 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 5: sixty five led by David Rock who started Media Matters, 359 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 5: which I'm sure is very familiar to most of the 360 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 5: people here. It's a left wing advocacy media group. Now 361 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 5: he's on the left wing advocacy in the legal realm 362 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 5: where he's trying to get conservative attorneys disbarked so they 363 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 5: cannot practice law at all. Not that they can't get 364 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 5: their jobs, they literally cannot apply their craft and make money. 365 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 5: That's designed to discourage people from giving conservative solid representation. 366 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 5: I also go through the J six cases where you 367 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: see how because there was a political mode of in mind, 368 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 5: how the left over charge that they use these really 369 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: just stop with that tactics. I mean just doorstepping people, 370 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 5: people showing up on the tarmac for you know, people 371 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: who are just really low level Republican organizers and you know, 372 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 5: embarrassing them in front of their families with the rests 373 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Weself. That took place in this 374 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 5: country recently, and to my knowledge, almost no one has 375 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 5: been held to account, if anyone. 376 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 4: It's such a pernicious, evil way to conduct this battle, 377 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 4: and it is for these people a battle, it's a war, 378 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 4: and to hit people, to punch them in their paycheck 379 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 4: in this manner is really really nasty. And it's like 380 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: you're picking off one at a time, right, you know, 381 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: in their careers, and we can't possibly profile them all 382 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: at the same time, and a lot of people will 383 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: just it'll have a scarecrow effect. They will simply say, 384 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: you know what's not worth it? I got a wife 385 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 4: and kids, I got a kid with medical issue. 386 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with it. 387 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 5: You got it. That's exactly it. That's the whole thing 388 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 5: I'm learning against that if we're not we don't steal ourselves. 389 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 5: First of all, we need to wipe out the bad 390 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 5: actors figuratively speaking, I want to be careful there. We're 391 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 5: not talking about physical violence, but we want to make 392 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 5: sure that they're empower and then if they do, we 393 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: have to be prepared on a mental level that they 394 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 5: really do hate us. This is their political power is 395 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: much more important than our freedoms, our freedom to have 396 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 5: a good representation, our freedom to keep our freedom and 397 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 5: to stay out of jail, our freedom to not have 398 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: our time and money wasted the way they did with 399 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 5: Donald Trump. Trump would have survived these cases if he 400 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: wasn't incredibly resilient and also incredibly wealthy. His wealth with 401 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 5: a superpower here because she could survive these judgments. The 402 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 5: Court New York still has one hundred and seventy five 403 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: million dollars of his money on a bond right now? 404 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 5: Could you part with one hundred and seventy five million 405 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 5: right now? I couldn't? 406 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: You know what's amazing about that? I talked about this 407 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: at that time. That's that's one hundred and seventy four 408 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 4: in liquid cash. 409 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: You know that. People said, Oh, I thought he was 410 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: so rich. 411 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: Your money is tied up in assets and to find 412 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 4: free cash like that. The attempt there was to remember 413 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 4: she wanted four to ten. I think she won four 414 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: hundred and ten or maybe four to fifty. 415 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 5: She right, y'all ended up being a much closer to 416 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 5: to five hundred than one year said well, And the. 417 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: Effect there was to lose. 418 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 4: I mean, she was really really engaged in some nastiness. 419 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: I've never seen that she was. 420 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 5: She wasn't about a nastiness. Tis James not only campaign 421 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 5: on Trump, she was gleeful. Alvin Bragg campaigned against Trump, 422 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 5: so did Fannie Willis, So James wasn't alone in advertising 423 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 5: to her constituency. I'm here to get Trump and that's 424 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 5: why I'm here and not tohold the law. But with 425 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 5: Willis she was I'm not sorry, I'm not well. So 426 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 5: with James, she would tweet the amount of interest that 427 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: Trump was accumulating each day, just to rub it in 428 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: his face. She was gloating, she was showloading, and that's 429 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 5: how she tweated this thing, as it was all a 430 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 5: game to her. But for the vast majority of us, 431 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: and I'll tell you make this point. I want to know. 432 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 5: I'm not a particularly wealthy person, but I want to 433 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 5: know some really wealthy people in my line of work, 434 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 5: and they regard a difference between liquid wealth and wealth 435 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 5: that is tied up in assets and in golf courses 436 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 5: and in hotels. There's an extra set of admiration for 437 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 5: people who are liquid, because a lot of the riches 438 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 5: people you know, aren't that liquid. They're not necessarily their 439 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 5: kentes scrounged together half a billion dollars, even if they're 440 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 5: a billionaire like that's not easy to do. And Trump 441 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: is henna asked to do this in the middle of 442 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 5: an election. It's hard to do even for guys Richard Trump. 443 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: Well. 444 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 4: And people put their cash to work, whether that is 445 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: you know, especially for a guy in real estate, they 446 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: put it to work in long term investments. And the 447 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: ability to pull cash quickly is very, very difficult, especially. 448 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: That amount of cash and they knew that. 449 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 4: That's the point is that they knew that, Yes, and 450 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: so you really put somebody in a pinch, and that 451 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 4: is an injustice. You know, when we look at you 452 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: mentioned fat Fanny in Atlanta, and of course she was 453 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 4: carrying on with Nathan Wade, her investigator, and then they've 454 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: been caught recently. Since then, where did that case end up? 455 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 5: Yeah? So that case, it turned out to be the 456 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 5: sloppiest of the cases and one of my favorites to 457 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 5: write about. I'm in the book because I get to 458 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 5: tell the story the biggest mystic Fani made. And it 459 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: wasn't that she hired Nathan Wade, which was absurd. She 460 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 5: hired it her boyfriend, who was a family lawyer. He 461 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 5: was married, by the way when she hired him, and 462 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 5: that he left his wife I guess, but he was well. 463 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: Remember his wife was the one who brought off all 464 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: this up. His Thank goodness for his wife because when 465 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: she was scored, she went public with this. Alex Marlow 466 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: was our guest. 467 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 4: The book is breaking the law, exposing the weaponization of 468 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: America's legal system against Donald Trumpan he just shows. 469 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 5: Me what it's like to be, you know, a real man. 470 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I have never met someone so wonderful. 471 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 5: I call him written the Michael Barry. 472 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: Alex Marlow is our guest of Breit Martin, where he's 473 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 4: editor in chief of Breit Martin News. He's written Breaking 474 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 4: the News, He's written Breaking Biden, and now he's written 475 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: Breaking the Law exposing the weaponization of America's legal system 476 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: against Donald Trump. He was talking about fat Fanny and 477 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: her paramour, her lover, her cass and her fellow adulter 478 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 4: Nathan Wade and that case. I had to interrupt you. 479 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 5: But go ahead, yeah, yeah, thank you. I'm sorry. I 480 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 5: get really admimated about because I love this one. So 481 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 5: so she puts her boyfriend who's no businessing in the 482 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 5: case on the case. The White House is inviting him 483 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: multiple times to the White House, so obviously this is 484 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 5: this is cooked. But the worst thing she did, and 485 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 5: I write it, was in a book and one of 486 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 5: my absolute favorite essays in the book. I try to 487 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 5: break it up into bite sized pieces, so if you're 488 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 5: reading before bad, you can read for eight ten minutes 489 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: and then you're good. But one of my favorite essays 490 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 5: is how the biggest mistake Fanny made is she had 491 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: a series of indictments. You guys probably remember the mug shots. 492 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 5: Some of them are really cool with the Trump margin 493 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 5: mudgsh out of course, postal comic in history. Some of 494 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 5: them have looked very sad. But she indicted a guy 495 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 5: named Mike Roman, and this is the dumbest thing anyone 496 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 5: could have done. I know Mike Roman because Mike Roman 497 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 5: has been a source for me at White Bar for 498 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 5: a decade and a half. But he's a political operative extraordinary, 499 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 5: and he's the type of guy that if you're going 500 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: to do anything bad to Mike Roman, you better be 501 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 5: squeaky tween because if you have an unpaid parking ticket, 502 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 5: Roman is going to find it. And Roman was the 503 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: guy who found all the details about Willis, all the 504 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 5: improprieties that she had had, all the stuff of Nathan 505 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: Wood with regards to taking the taxpayer dollars and using 506 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 5: it to go to NAPA for winecasing, using it to 507 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: go cruising in the Caribbean, vacationing in the Florida Keys, 508 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 5: all on taxpayer dollars. Roman finds all that stuff and 509 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 5: basically even MSNBC was saying, now the case isn't winnable. 510 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 5: The judge turned on Fannie Willis, and that is why 511 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 5: that case ended up in just a total dud for 512 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 5: the for the bad guys. And so I didn't tell 513 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 5: that story. Was really fun because I don't think anyone 514 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 5: knows that detail that had Fanny not and diet with 515 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: Mike Roman, we might have had a totally different result. 516 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 5: But she really messed with the wrong guy. 517 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 4: That's fascinating. Did you did you sit down with Roman? 518 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: Had just spent some time with him? 519 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 5: Did I reached that cambod? But I had, I had 520 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 5: this story down, I created. It was mostly just a 521 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 5: time issue. But I know him and I and I 522 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: know the story is very clear to me. I watched 523 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 5: to come together from far and I because I remember 524 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 5: her indicting Roman, and I remember her thinking that is 525 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 5: not smart. And then Roman put out all this in 526 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 5: court filings. So it was really easy for me to 527 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 5: go through it. But I didn't need anything extra. It 528 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 5: wasn't like I had I didn't need. I really didn't 529 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 5: see that good like. I didn't need anything extra. I 530 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 5: got the picture. Because he's not efficient in the way 531 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 5: he operates. I will connect with him afroid though well 532 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: will fundly. It's just you know, I do. I have 533 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 5: three jobs and I got I got to move basket. 534 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, I get that, I get it. 535 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 4: That's that's the great frustration here is time is our 536 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: biggest enemy. 537 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: To mind your shows. That'd be a great interview. He's 538 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 5: amazing person. 539 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 4: I will hold you over when we're done to get 540 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 4: some advice on how to contact him. 541 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: I would love to talk to him. 542 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 4: Let's talk about the as I like to describe it, 543 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 4: the the federal government rating Millenniau's panty drawers in order 544 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: to intimidate Trump. 545 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: And and the rumor. 546 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: Was that that they were authorized to shoot to kill. 547 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 4: I mean, and you've got you've got Secret Service, protection 548 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: of the press. I mean, this was a really really dangerous, 549 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 4: you know Krusehof and Kennedy kind of moment. 550 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: This was this was scary. 551 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is, And it was interesting. I got some 552 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 5: talk to some of the Trump children about this when 553 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 5: they weren't home, but you know, just watching them. There 554 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 5: are security cameras that there are people are going through 555 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: Baron's Peloton room. They're going through Milania's underwear drawer looking 556 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 5: for state secrets, for documents that Trump could have unclassified 557 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 5: at any point. And this is one where Trump was 558 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 5: not perfect in this regard because he should have formally 559 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 5: waved his magic wand or whatever he needed to do 560 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 5: with the National Archives. But the National Archives is not 561 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: going to lead to a surprise FBI raid on your home. 562 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 5: They're not going to demand that sort of thing. They 563 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 5: never have. They's depressident for it. I go through all 564 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 5: the president and it was clearly an abuse of power 565 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: and that's something that was done by Merrick Garland and 566 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 5: the DJ. Merrick Garland's an amazing figure in this book 567 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: because he's really a ponscious pilot type and that he's 568 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 5: not the He's not. It's his weakness that's the problem, 569 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 5: is that he was surrounded Everyone says he's a nice guy, 570 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 5: but he was surrounded by some of the most rabid 571 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 5: law fair generals. I profile on the book, Lisa Monico 572 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 5: and Benita Gupta his number two and number three of 573 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 5: the DJ. I think they were the ones instigating this. 574 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 5: They take their keys from the MSNBC guys. The Andrew 575 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 5: Weissman's the guy who was the number one pit bull 576 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 5: for Robert Muller, and that's who's really running that operation. 577 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 5: And that's why we need investigations because none of that's 578 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 5: out in the open. And I can surmise all this stuff, 579 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 5: but I don't have subpoena power. I can't go and 580 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: get all the detail we need, the detail of how 581 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 5: that hugely offensive event happened. 582 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is my hope that I mean, look 583 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: since since Trump took office, you know, we're half a 584 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: year since that happened, and look at how many things 585 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: have already come to light and how many investigations have begun. 586 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: I really do think there is a real effort. You know, 587 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: there's a certain It's sort of like when you see 588 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: a neighborhood that John Q. Wilson broke in paying theory, 589 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 4: you see a neighborhood coming back to life. It's like 590 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 4: all of these things are being exposed. People are emboldened 591 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: to come forward and tell their story, and I think 592 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: that's fantastic. Yeah, let's talk about the two New York cases. 593 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 4: We have the Egene Carrol Nutt and then you have 594 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 4: the attorney general there. We talked a little bit about 595 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: the money she forced him to put up and that 596 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: we haven't talked about the judge and his relationship and 597 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: who his daughter is. But I'll just let you go 598 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: on there. This is riveting stuff. Alex Marlow's our guest. 599 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: He's from Breitbart. The book is Breaking the Law, exposing 600 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 4: the weaponization of America's legal system against Donald Trump. 601 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the two New York cases, you've got to 602 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 5: keep them straight in the sense that one's criminal and 603 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 5: one was a civil case. They're both treated like criminal cases, 604 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: which is why they get confusing, and even smart people 605 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: I know get them get them confused. But I'll tell 606 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 5: you a couple of quick tidbits about each. So the 607 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 5: first one, the criminal case, is a Stormy Daniel's case. 608 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 5: Frame is a hush money case. You know, Michael, you're attorney. 609 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 5: Hush money is not illegal. It's also not in miss 610 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 5: of guilt. You can pay hush money to someone. And 611 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: Trump is done in the past. And I established this 612 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: that he's willing to pay just to keep annoying people 613 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 5: quiet when they clearly have nothing. They're just going to 614 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 5: create a media spectacle. And he's a busy guy with 615 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 5: other stuff he wants to do. He doesn't always be 616 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 5: involved in that stuff. So then they kind of came 617 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 5: up with this way of turning what was a lapsed 618 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 5: misdemeanor into a felony by trying to act like it 619 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,479 Speaker 5: was a campaign violation, which was absurd because a married 620 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 5: man who's very powerful might pay hush money to someone 621 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 5: for a million different reasons, the reputational, you know, not 622 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 5: having a public scandal. It doesn't have to do with 623 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 5: campaigns at all. And yet that's what they claimed, which 624 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 5: was ridiculous on his face. And not to mention, there 625 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 5: isn't really strong evidence that the allegation against Trump were true. 626 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 5: And I want to be carefully because I don't get 627 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 5: super defamation. But if you remember counting of what the 628 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 5: porn actress Stormy Daniel says Trump did with her, it 629 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 5: doesn't really add up. A lot of it doesn't make 630 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 5: sense at all, and Trump's always so you guys can 631 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 5: go through that and I think you'll find that to 632 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 5: be pretty enlightening. But that ends up in the criminal 633 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 5: conviction because there's a co courtroom. There's nothing that could 634 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 5: be done once that trial got going. But the reason 635 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 5: why I got going was because of the Russia collusion hoax. 636 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 5: And this is a big detail in the book. The 637 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 5: key to that trial was Michael Cohen and his Gmail account, 638 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 5: which was accessed by Robert Muller and the DOJ during 639 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 5: the Russia collusion hoax. So if the Russian colusion host 640 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 5: which was not legitimate, you didn't leave all those investigations, 641 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 5: Trump would not have the convicted trail and branding which 642 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: they're still smearing with today. So that's a really big deal. 643 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 5: The other New York case is the tiss Chains one. 644 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 5: That's the criminal, the case that was really a civil case. 645 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 5: She treats him like a criminal. That was the one 646 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 5: with the victimless crime where Trump allegedly defrauded these banks 647 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 5: who lent them money. But the banks never complained about Trump. 648 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 5: So there shouldn't be any civil cases unless a claimant 649 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 5: claims that they need to have some sort of retribution, 650 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 5: some sort of attributed damages because they had been screwed 651 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 5: by someone. Well, none of the bans complained. In fact, 652 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 5: the banks loved working with Trump and wanted to work 653 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 5: with him again, and yet she somehow manufactured this in 654 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 5: a juryless trial and got him assessed a penalty that 655 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 5: was cool and unusual because there were no damages at all.