1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, we'll come in your city. Want to pay I 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: gets saying you. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: A conscious zeng will all be tied Alan and if 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: you want a little banging Uni, I come along. 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: I think people are concerned about Joe Biden. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: They really are. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: I mean Democrats are you know, they talk behind their 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: hand and nobody wants to go on DV and say 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: it because we all, like you know, like to be 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: able to go to you know, barbecues and house parties. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: But people are concerned. 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: The reality is that today sixty percent of our people 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 4: living paycheck to paycheck. 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: Healthcare system is a total disaster. 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 4: We have to make sure we win this because the 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 4: thought of Kamala Harris being president should send a chill 17 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 4: up every American spine. 18 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Freedom is back in style. Welcome to the revolution, will. 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: Coming to your city, don't play, I gets and saying. 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: You a conscious song. 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Sean Hannity show him the scenes on freaking news and 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: more bold inspired solutions for America. 23 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 4: Stay right here for our final news round up and 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 4: information overload. 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Sean Handy Show. This is Jordan Secio. 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 5: You know, one of those ideas the greatest ideas in 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 5: our country is that we have oversight over our government, 28 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 5: and that there are members of the government, bureaucrats, people 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 5: who spend their entire careers serving America, who are doing 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 5: the right thing and trying to do the right thing. 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of times we focus on the 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 5: bad actors inside the government, but there are good actors 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 5: and they tried, they tried to come forward. There are 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 5: protections we have placed for them by Congress so that 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 5: they can blow the whistle on bad actions. But what 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 5: we have seen develop over the years is punishment for 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: these whistleblowers by their own agencies. We know how an 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 5: important role whistleblowers play in protecting the United States government 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 5: and in protecting our constitution rights with the executive branch oversteps, 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: but dat unfortunately, what we've seen now type and type 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 5: of gain is depending on what the whistleblowers blowing the 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 5: whistle on, is how they get treated. And if they're 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 5: blowing the whistle on a Democrat or on the left, 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 5: suddenly they are treated like or even not just treated like, 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 5: they actually are ended up being criminals. 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Under the executive branch. Well, this is the problem. 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: But fortunately Tristan Levitt, who's got a tremendous amount of 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: years of experience on Capitol Hill with Centaer of Grassley's 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: office and other positions, also heads up in Power Oversight, 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 4: a group that the ACLJ is very proud to be 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: partnering with to protect these whistleblowers. And Tristan, thanks for 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: coming on the Sean Hanny Show. Let me let me 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: ask you this. There's reports coming out right now that 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: on your irs, whistleblowers, Gary Shapley, to be specific, that 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: dialogue was going on between the Associate Deputy Attorney General 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 4: in the United States and his lawyer, and they wanted 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 4: to understand supposedly these claims that were being made by 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: agent Shapley. 59 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: And yet when you when the lawyer. 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: Asked for some verification on some data and some points 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: on disclosure stone silence by the government, how do you 62 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: read this. 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 6: Well, disappointingly, to put it in a word. When the 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 6: Associate Deputy Attorney General reached out, his name's Brad Weinsheimer. 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 6: And this came about seven weeks after Attorney General America 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 6: Garland assured Congress that the Hunter Biden investigation was completely 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 6: independent from the main Department of Justice headquarters. And we 68 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 6: knew already at that time we were preparing various disclosures 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 6: to Congress, and we knew that there were several things 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 6: that just made that inaccurate, but you would think that 71 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 6: they would have learned some lesson from that well going forward. 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 6: As soon as the first whistleblower letter was sent to Congress. 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 6: Within that next week, this Associate Deputy Attorney General reached 74 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 6: out to my co counsel, Mark Lytele and the Associate 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 6: Deputy Attorney General. It's important for your listeners to understand 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 6: the way that the Justice Department works. The Attorney General 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 6: is out there at press conferences right and at hearings, 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 6: but it's the Deputy Attorney General's office that does the 79 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 6: oversight of the entire department, and that's Lisa Monaco, and 80 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 6: so her associates under her, her eyes and earstrung the department. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 6: Nothing happens there without her authorization. So for him to 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 6: reach out was interesting, and so he reached out. He 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 6: set up a call and he said, hey, you know, 84 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: we're concerned that you know, you sent this letter and 85 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 6: we'd like to know more of the details. It seemed 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 6: a little bit like a phishing expedition, and so Mark 87 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 6: just said, well, we might be in touch as things 88 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 6: go on. What we now know, thanks to what seemed 89 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 6: to be leaks of emails from Hunter Biden's own legal 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 6: team and maybe from the Department of Justice as well, 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 6: is that Brad Weinsheimer, when he had that call, already 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 6: had a meeting set up for the very next day 93 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 6: with Hunter Biden's attorney, Chris Clark and the US Attorney 94 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 6: David Wife, who Mark Garland said was completely independent. And 95 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 6: this came about because Clark was emailing all over the 96 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 6: government trying to say he wanted to appeal from whatever 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 6: he wanted an insurance policy in case. Wife decided to 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 6: move forward, and he got silenced until the whistle blower 99 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 6: letter came forward and then suddenly VOJ put things in motion, 100 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 6: and so that was again that goes right to the 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 6: heart against what Garland said. Well, two weeks later, after 102 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 6: we had our proffer with Congress, we explained to them 103 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 6: what Gary Shapley would disclose, and Attorney General Garland again 104 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 6: at a press conference reiterated White's independence. You know, after 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 6: that meeting with the US attorney and Hunter's attorneys is 106 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 6: when they you know, thereafter this plan was hatched to 107 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 6: give Hunter a deal with zero charges. So not even 108 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 6: the two misdemeanors that the public learned about eventually, but 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 6: zero charges. That deferred prosecution agreement is what they call that. 110 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 6: And as part of their executing that, the same day 111 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 6: that they reached out the Hunter's team in mid May 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 6: to execute that, they also removed Gary Shapley and his 113 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 6: team from the case. And a lot of the world 114 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 6: heard about that at the time he was removed. So 115 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 6: we sent this letter saying, hey, there was retaliation. We 116 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 6: forwarded that to Weinsheimer said, you said you wanted to 117 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 6: help you or is how you could do it? And 118 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 6: it was a complete one eighty this time he said, no, no, no, 119 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 6: we can't do anything with it, total hands off. You 120 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 6: need to talk to David Weiss. You didn't offer to 121 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 6: set up a meeting with David Wess for us like 122 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 6: you did with Hunter's attorneys. 123 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: Of course not right. 124 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know we I'm going to play again the 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: statement from another one of our clients and that you originated, 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: and that was FBI agent Garrett O'Boyle, when talked about 127 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: what it was like when the FBI turns its sites 128 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 4: on its own for being whistleblowers. 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this but the FBI will crush you. 130 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 7: This government will crush you and your family if you 131 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 7: try to expose the truth about things that they are 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 7: doing that are wrong. 133 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: And we are all examples of that. 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: You know, I hear that again and again in my head. Firsten, 135 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 4: because it shows you the danger these whistle blowers are 136 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 4: being put in by a hostile government. 137 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. 138 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 6: And I was sitting two seats down for remember that 139 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 6: hearing when he said that, and it is what he 140 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 6: said is so spot on, and I've seen it happen 141 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 6: again and again that you know, government agencies have the 142 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 6: entire resources from the taxpayers at their disposal, all the attorneys, 143 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 6: all the money that they want to put on something 144 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 6: against one one little whistleblower you know, who is a 145 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 6: gad flight of them. And it's true they can crush you. 146 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: And that that's just not the way that it should be. Government. 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 6: You know, people's work should be supporting the people and 148 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 6: not retaliating against those that try and help fix the problems. 149 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 5: The retaliation is significant. I mean, I want to make 150 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 5: sure people understand this. Instead of being fired, what they 151 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 5: do is they keep you on. You're suspended, but without 152 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: pay and your security clearance is also suspended, So even 153 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: if you decided to quit, you couldn't go move to 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 5: a job, let's say, in a private security company and 155 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: use your security clearance as kind of a carot for 156 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 5: your position. Which many people when they do leave these 157 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 5: the public world, they enjoyed the private world. That's something 158 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 5: important to take with them. The FBI knows that to 159 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 5: knows that, so that's suspended. You also, though, aren't getting paid, 160 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 5: and you can only take up to seventy five hundred 161 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 5: dollars of outside money. So it a sense they're trying 162 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: to force you out onto the streets without being able 163 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: to take the work you did at the FBI with 164 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: you as part of your resume to find a new job. 165 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 5: Think about I mean that is literally it's not just 166 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 5: like criminally charging someone. It's destroying someone's entire career and 167 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 5: their family. 168 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 8: Yeah. 169 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 6: Well, and one other element that goes with that is 170 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 6: they have to approve outside work requests, and in the 171 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 6: case of certainly of our common client Marcus Allen, they 172 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 6: have never done that. Two different requests and they just 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,359 Speaker 6: flat out ignored them. And so there's arguably a constitutional 174 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 6: claim there if they are telling someone you know, not 175 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 6: only suspending them, not telling them, but also tell them 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 6: you're not allowed to do other work, even unrelated work, 177 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 6: unless we give the go ahead, and they never give 178 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 6: the go ahead, and so it's just another tool for retaliating. 179 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: I do want to offer people hope, though, and the 180 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: hope is because of the work of Empower over Site 181 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: and the American Center for Law and Justice. We are 182 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 4: in federal courts of appeals right now offer these one 183 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: of the whistleblowers and pressing that charge very aggressively. So 184 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: I want it's important, tristing for people to have hope 185 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: at the end of the day. 186 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 8: Here, Yeah, that's right. 187 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 6: And look, I wouldn't be in this business if if 188 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 6: I didn't think that there was hope, right, if if 189 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 6: you just had to throw up your hands. I mean, 190 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 6: I think part of the important work is educating people, 191 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 6: and part of the important work is that when people 192 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 6: see the important disclosures whistleblowers make, even if they are 193 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 6: agnostic or have no real views on the concept of 194 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 6: with the blowing. I don't know that I had strong 195 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 6: views on it. For John Dotson, pass fears Flower, you know, 196 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 6: with someone that I work closely with, but you know 197 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 6: when you see what people do and you see the 198 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 6: commitment that they have, the patriotism that they have, you 199 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 6: can't help but feel confidence in our country that there 200 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 6: are good people out there that are pushing for what's 201 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 6: right and for what's true. And so of course you 202 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 6: stand up and do what you can. And I do 203 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 6: believe that there is hope, not just in individual specific cases, 204 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 6: but you know that people in the government who know 205 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 6: where the problems are can help to point those out 206 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: and if we protect them, we can we can get 207 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 6: to a far better place in how our government opera. 208 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: I am very encouraged about that. I want to encourage 209 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: people to support the work of Empower Oversight. What's the 210 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: best place for people to go to get information about 211 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: your good work? 212 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 6: So Empoweroversight dot org is our website and if people 213 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 6: are interested in contributing to a fund that was set 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 6: up specifically for law enforcement with the blowers like RFBI 215 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 6: clients like Gary Shapley that to defend whistleblowers dot com. 216 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: So two great places for you to go. We encourage 217 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: you to do it. 218 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: Tristan, thanks for being on the broadcast on the HANDITI 219 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: program and it's great partnering with you and your colleagues, 220 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: and we're going to get justice for these people. 221 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: I have no doubt about it. Thanks for being with us. 222 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 6: Thanks so much, guys. Take care. 223 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: You know you look at these whistleblowers and they say 224 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: things like your government will crust you. And then when 225 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 4: Tristan and our teams reached out together, let me just 226 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: tell you what a couple of weeks of the work 227 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: of the ACLJ and groups like Empower Oversight can do. 228 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: Here is the statement on our radio broadcast. By the way, 229 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: we broadcast noon every day across the country. You can 230 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: go to ACLJ down. We're gonna look at a radio 231 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: schedule twelve o'clock noon Eastern time. Here's what he said 232 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: on our radio broadcast when asked about and. 233 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: He said, because he said they will crush you how 234 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: he views it. 235 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 7: Now take away and told them that ACLJ is taking 236 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 7: me on as a client. And I said, the time 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 7: is now. You guys can all start coming forward. We 238 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 7: have the legal capability, we have the connections to Congress, 239 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 7: like everybody needs to be whistleblowing about the things they're 240 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 7: seeing because I'm sure what me and others have done. 241 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 7: We're just scratching the surface. 242 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 4: So he is empowered because he's got legal help. Let 243 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: me switch it though, from that situation to the high 244 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: schools and junior high schools. Linna mclofflin, Shawn's producer, who's 245 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 4: on this broad You hear voice all the time. Just 246 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 4: send Jordan and I this article entitled high school horror 247 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: show the left running rough shot at a Pennsylvania school 248 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 4: active shooter sexual Assaul de created film Suspensions for Prayer. 249 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 4: I wish I could tell you this was rare, but 250 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 4: we've got two cases right now. One a student was 251 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: first reprimanded for having a cross, and then the teacher 252 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: took the cross out of his hands. You can't have that, 253 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 4: took it off his neck, you can't wear that. We 254 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: got that one resolved pretty quickly. The second one, a 255 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: mother goes to a school board meeting because their fifteen 256 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 4: year old daughter is required in a drama class to 257 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 4: read a monologue that's pornographic. She goes to the school 258 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: board meeting to confront the school board in Las Vegas, Nevada, 259 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: about how outrageous it is. Take a listen to this 260 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 4: school board meaning transcript. 261 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 9: This will be horrifying for me to read to you, 262 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 9: But that will give you perspective on how she must 263 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 9: have felt when her teacher required her to memorize this 264 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 9: and to act it out in front of her entire class. 265 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 9: I don't love you. It's not you, It's just I 266 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 9: don't like your or any in that case, I cheated, Joe. 267 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 10: I'm sorry. This is a pub Excuse me, excuse me. 268 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 10: I don't thank you so much for your thank you 269 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 10: for your Forgive me. We're not using profanity. Simply, this 270 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 10: is a public meeting. I asked for decorum. 271 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 9: If you don't want me to read it to you. 272 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 9: What was that like for my fifteen year old daughter 273 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,119 Speaker 9: to have to memorize pornographic material. 274 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what her fifteen year old daughter and 275 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 4: mother has done. We're in federal court for them right 276 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 4: now at the American Center for Law and Justice, and 277 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: we are in the last day of our life and 278 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: liberty drive. 279 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: And this is where you come in, Folks. 280 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: You can help us stand with these students around the country, 281 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 4: these whistleblowers that need our help. It's very important. The 282 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 4: ACLJ is a nonprofit organization. Any amount you donate to us, 283 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 4: we're going to get a matching gift and it is 284 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 4: our life and liberty drive. The Bid administration has empowered 285 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: these anti Christian school boards and school forces to eviscerate 286 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: religious liberty. 287 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: We talked about the Christian kids. 288 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 4: We know about pastors being threatened for arrest for praying 289 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington, d C 290 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: employees banned from going to church on Sunday. Faith of 291 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 4: soldiers is under fires, and we got the FBI investigating churches. 292 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 4: But the ACLJ is standing up to all of this. 293 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 4: And this is where you come in. Any amount you donate, 294 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: you're gonna get a tax deductible gift. But more important, 295 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: your gift will be matched at ACLJ dot org. And 296 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: this is the last day for our life and Liberty Drive. 297 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: You can be a big part of this. Let me 298 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: encourage you right now to go to ACLJ dot org 299 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 4: and participate in our life and Liberty drive. We are 300 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 4: at the very end of it. This is the last day. 301 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: It ends at midnight tonight. We can't fight these fate 302 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: fights without your support. I keep saying this, folks. These 303 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 4: folks need us, and we need you, and together we're 304 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: gonna be able to represent them and stand for our 305 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: constitutional republic. You've heard look at who you've heard from today, 306 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: Presidents of the United States, it's Congress leaders. 307 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: We're fighting back, folks. 308 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: But this is where you come in ACLJ dot org 309 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 4: for Our Life and Liberty Drive. 310 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: We encourage you to do it today. 311 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: J Secular Band, Life and Liberty Concert tonight on Facebook, 312 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: on Twitter, on Rumble, on YouTube, and of course ACLJ 313 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 4: dot org. That's going to be at eight pm. We 314 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: encourage you to watch that as well, and you can 315 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: also participate there in Our Life in Liberty Drive as well. 316 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 4: During that concert. We'll be back with more of The 317 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: Hannity Show in just a minute. 318 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Sean Hendy Show, folks. We have 319 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 5: got a lot more coming up on the broadcast. You 320 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: don't want to miss. Charlie Kirk is joining us, not 321 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: just as a guest. Let me announce this as a 322 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 5: client of the Americans cider for law injustice, and so 323 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 5: is Turning Point USA because of how they've been treated 324 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: by this government and they're silencing on social media platforms, 325 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 5: huge platforms. You know that Turning Point USA and Charlie 326 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 5: Kirk is built for a lot of these outside companies. 327 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 5: And then because of what he has to say, or 328 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 5: what he happens to believe, or the candidate he happens 329 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 5: to support. Suddenly you can't reach all those millions of 330 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 5: peace that you brought to the platform by asking them 331 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 5: to join the platform. So we're going to be representing 332 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 5: at Charlie Kirk. We're representing Turning Port USA at the 333 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 5: America cert for Law Justice, and he's joining us next 334 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 5: on the US shware in federal court on that one. 335 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: Again, when you support the work of the American Center 336 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: for Law and Justice at ACLJ dot organ our Life 337 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: in Liberty Drive, you're supporting that lawsuit to hold that 338 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: administration responsible for silencing, engaging in viewpoint discrimination against Charlie 339 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: Kirk and others, by the way, including his organization Turning 340 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: Point USA. And then this evening at eight pm Eastern time, 341 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 4: you're not gonna want to miss a J Secular Band 342 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 4: Live Life and Liberty Concert. Live online concert tonight eight pm. 343 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: You can watch it on Facebook, Twitter, Rumble, YouTube, or 344 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: of course ACLJ dot org. We have a blast about 345 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: a two hour concert. We tell stories, we play great music, 346 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: You'll enjoy it. We're having a blast. So coming up 347 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: next Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, Big announcement, big lawsuit. 348 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: You can get more information about that at ACLJ dot org. 349 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: More with the Hannity Show in a moment. You know, 350 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 4: this tune that you just heard is a song called 351 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: The Weight by the band. It was written by Robbie Robertson, 352 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: who just passed away. And then tonight's acl J sx 353 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: Uilobang live concert on Facebook, Twitter, Rumble and YouTube set 354 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: at eight o'clock Eastern time. We actually pulled that one 355 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: and we weren't planning on playing, but since he just 356 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: passed away and he wrote that song, we stuck the 357 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: Weight in. 358 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a great evening. 359 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: We had the chance on our broadcast to talk to 360 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: our new client, and that is someone that almost really 361 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 4: Jordan needs no introduction. 362 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk at Turning Point USA have now joined with 363 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 5: the American cert for Law Justice again because taking on 364 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 5: the federal government and these social media companies working together 365 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 5: to cinsor conservative speech, even though they have grown and 366 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 5: brought these millions and millions of people to these social 367 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 5: media companies, and suddenly, just because of a word you 368 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 5: use or a candidate you support. 369 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: You can't reach those people anymore. So here is the 370 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: interview with Charlie Kirk. 371 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 5: We are honored to be representing a turning point USA 372 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 5: and Charlie Kirk an organization had done incredible work with 373 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 5: young people, a high school students, college students, university students 374 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: all across the country, teaching them about liberty and freedom 375 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 5: and the ability to speak up and. 376 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: How to speak up and stand up. 377 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 5: But we also know these groups, like so many others, 378 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 5: individuals and organizations, have been attacked by social media companies, deplatformed, 379 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 5: de throttled. There's so many different shadow banning. We've heard 380 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 5: all these terms, and it all goes back really to 381 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 5: when we thought it was Remember it was Russia doing this, 382 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 5: and then the administration at the time, the Obama administration 383 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 5: and then the deep state under the Trump administration said well, 384 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: even if we can't prove it's the Russians, you know what, 385 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 5: we'll just start blaming it on the American people. We 386 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 5: don't want these American ideas out there. And so we 387 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: started to see organizations with very big online platforms not 388 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: being able to reach the people that follow them. We 389 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 5: are again joined right now by Charlie Kirk and we're 390 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 5: representing the ACLJ is representing Turning Point USA and Charlie 391 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 5: in this legal battle. Charlie, let me first ask you this, 392 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 5: when did you first notice that all of your social 393 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: media accounts that you weren't getting the same reach that 394 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: you used to. 395 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 8: So it really started to be significant right during the 396 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 8: presidential election. And I think during this process, and by 397 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 8: the way, thrilled to be working together. Guys. We're going 398 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 8: to get all the facts right through discovery and all 399 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 8: this because based on the documents that I remade public 400 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 8: through Twitter files and through other Foyer requests, we know 401 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 8: that the federal government was actively involved in suppressing Twitter 402 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 8: accounts such as ours and many others, and there'll be 403 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 8: more and more facts that come out, and it's illegal 404 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 8: what the government did. But I started to see it 405 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 8: in the presidential election, where all of a sudden, you know, 406 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 8: we were averaging one hundred and twenty to one hundred 407 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 8: and forty thousand retweets the day, which is a fair amount, 408 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 8: and according to Axios, we had the third or fourth 409 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 8: largest Twitter account during the presidential cycle. And you know, 410 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 8: right in the middle of twenty twenty election, all of 411 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 8: a sudden, we started to see that kind of tape off, 412 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 8: and then it really hit post January stick, which makes 413 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 8: sense because you know, after January six, all of a sudden, 414 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 8: this language started to get introduced, and obviously a new 415 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 8: regime took the over office where they considered my views 416 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 8: and the views of half the country and more than 417 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 8: half the country, in my opinion, to be that of 418 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 8: domestic violent extremism. And if you look at the DHS 419 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 8: documents that have been made public and you look at 420 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 8: the Twitter files, I was put on a do not 421 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 8: amplify li yep on Twitter. That's a fact. And so 422 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 8: what you know, I want to know and we're going 423 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 8: to find out through this complaint in this process, is, 424 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 8: you know, decisively, in my personal opinion, is a federal 425 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 8: government labeled my account and Turning Point USA and many 426 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 8: others for censorship. And the federal government is not allowed 427 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 8: to shut up the citizen. The federal government is not 428 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 8: allowed to say that, you know, your First Amendment liberties 429 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 8: and freedoms are quietly, you know, basically being shadow banned. 430 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 8: And that's essentially what's happening here. Yeah, and so and 431 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 8: who knows how many other people, but the really Elon 432 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 8: Musk is helping make this argument possible. I'm looking forward 433 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 8: to working with you guys on this because with the 434 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 8: Twitter files, we learned that there was government private collusion 435 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 8: to restrain my Twitter account that could have reached millions 436 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 8: of more people and maybe even further influence the election 437 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 8: for Donald Trump. 438 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because the way this has worked 439 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: is the Department of Homeland Security sent up these grants 440 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: and went to the University of Dayton and other entities 441 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 4: and some of these private organizations and then worked in 442 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 4: cooperation with the Department of Homeland Securities. If the Department 443 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: Homeland Security was trying to cast the blame for any 444 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: censorship onto these group, which is not going to work, 445 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 4: and we're going to have a very we have a 446 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: very aggressive lawsuit plan for this. But when you look 447 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: at the list of organizations that were targeted in addition 448 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 4: to Turning Point in USA, c Beat, Christian Broadcasting Network, 449 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: the Heritage Foundation, Fox News, and then you go up 450 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: the list, you get into neo Nazi groups. So you know, Charlie, 451 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: the thing that's happened here is the government, it appears, 452 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: and I'm convinced through through discovery and I've been litigating 453 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: k I've been litigate these kind of cases for forty years. 454 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 4: We're going to find that the government put their hand 455 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: on the scale, and they put the hand on the 456 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: scale to tip it so that groups like yours and 457 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: others would not have the voice that you already had 458 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 4: earned in the marketplace of ideas. That's what's so important 459 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 4: emphasize here. You had that voice in the marketplace of 460 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 4: ideas already, and then they were squelching it once you 461 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 4: were trying to get your message out. 462 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 8: That's right, and it's illegal for the government to do that. 463 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 8: The government is not allowed to pick and choose which 464 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 8: voices they want to be able to hear more, you know, 465 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 8: be heard more than others. 466 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: And especially called viewpoint discrimination, which in three cases I 467 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 4: argue to the Supreme Court and one unanimously all three 468 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: of them. So and then the most liberal justice and 469 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 4: the most conservative, the most egregious form of discrimination on 470 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 4: speech is when you shut down one viewpoint on an 471 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: otherwise covered topic, but go ahead. 472 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: But that's you're exactly right. 473 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, And even further is they did it in a 474 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 8: clandestine way where you didn't really know it, and they 475 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 8: called you conspiracy theorists if you said it right. So 476 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 8: it was hard to prove until we have all these 477 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 8: data points. And we also know and we don't know 478 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 8: how involved the FBI was. We know the DHS vector, 479 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 8: but the FBI was having standing meetings with Yul Roth 480 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 8: at the Twitter office and they were discussing, you know, 481 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 8: potential censorship activities. I lost access to my Twitter account 482 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 8: because I tweeted about the Hunter byden laptop and for 483 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 8: a whole week during the presidential election because they said 484 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 8: it was Russian disinformation. And you have to wonder, I mean, 485 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 8: how many other voices were suppressed and how many Yeah, 486 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 8: and so I think this is the complaint here. You 487 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 8: guys do such a great job. Is going to be, 488 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 8: you know, really focused and precise, and you know, I'm 489 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 8: kind of a social media guy. I got my start 490 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 8: in the movement, developing my Twitter and Facebook and Instagram. 491 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 8: And I think this really needs to be a hallmark 492 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 8: case where we put the government, you know, shine a 493 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 8: light on how they have been actively involved in the 494 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 8: viewpoint discrimination. But my fear, guys, and this is why 495 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 8: I think that this lawsuit is so timely important. What's 496 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 8: to prevent them from doing it during the twenty twenty 497 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 8: four election. 498 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: Nothing right now except except that's why we got to 499 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: follow this lawsuit, because they're gonna be unnoticed, and that's 500 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 4: put them go ahead. 501 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 5: Jordan, I remember that when they when they got rid 502 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: of Nina Jenkowitz, they didn't they didn't really get rid 503 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 5: of the disinformation Board. They renamed it, they just called 504 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: it something different. And now they they don't want to 505 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 5: put the focus on anymore. They're not going to put 506 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 5: the spotlight on it. They tried that, that failed, so 507 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 5: they tried to move along. Nothing to see here. By Charlie, 508 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: I think you hit on a really important point, which 509 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 5: was it's you know, there's there's people like you. You 510 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: can take a stand, you've got a voice. There's groups 511 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 5: like us. We've got our voice, we can take a stand. 512 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 5: But how many more people who just gave up trying 513 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 5: to utilize these platforms that could have reached their friends, 514 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 5: their family, their network of that they could influence, especially 515 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: when you talk about politics and people voting, and they've 516 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 5: just said, you know what, I don't even want to 517 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 5: use these systems anymore because they obviously they they're somehow 518 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 5: they're working against me or it might I don't want 519 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 5: to get in legal trouble because of what I tweet, 520 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 5: or because of my viewpoint, or because of the political 521 00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: candidate I support. 522 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 8: That's such a good point that this will be harder 523 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 8: to prove in court, I think. But there's a mass 524 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 8: demoralization component of this which I think you're getting at, 525 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 8: which is people that say, why even speak if my 526 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 8: stuff is going to be shadow banded? Right? And we 527 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 8: were called we were called conspiracy theorists for even introducing 528 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 8: the idea of a shadow ban. The great work by 529 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 8: James o'keef proved with undercover videos that Twitter was indeed 530 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 8: shadow banning. But now, to kind of complete the circle, 531 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 8: was it the federal government that was pressuring the companies 532 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 8: the shadow ban in the first place? And that's like, whoa. 533 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 8: Now you're at a whole other level that these companies 534 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 8: were not acting independently. And it sort of makes sense 535 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 8: because there was this mysterious change of behavior by a 536 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 8: lot of these tech CEOs that used to present themselves 537 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 8: as like free speech absolutists. You know, if you read 538 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 8: the early writings and usings of Dorsey and Zuckerberg, they 539 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 8: were always you know, they were liberal, but they were like, 540 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 8: you know, we're going to die at the first moment, really. 541 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: In classic liberalism, right. 542 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 8: Exactly were they being pressured by the Leviathan with other 543 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 8: regulatory action or just pure outright laws. 544 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean, here's what you got charged. 545 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 4: We know this from other litigation we've had against the 546 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: Biden administration recently. We know that James Baker, who was 547 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: the General counsel of the FBI when the whole crossfire 548 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 4: hurricane started against President Trump. So we know that James 549 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: Baker ended up becoming the general counsel of Twitter. So 550 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 4: when you ask the question of you know, how much 551 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 4: were these tech companies involved? 552 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: And it was Elon Musk who. 553 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 4: Fired James Baker because Baker was putting the cabash on 554 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: the Twitter files being released, and Elon said, who is this? 555 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 4: Who is this James Baker? And they said, oh, he's 556 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 4: the former general counsel of the FBI. So that not 557 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 4: only they have their finger on the scale, they were 558 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 4: specifically targeting voices they disagreed with. And I'm not defending 559 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 4: any tech company here either, by the way, uh, but 560 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 4: they were putting a really tough situation by the government. 561 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Let's not get ourselves there. Go ahead, Ordgan, because they've got. 562 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: Immunity, right, and that section two thirty immunity they are 563 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 5: so afraid of. But we've had Mark Zuckerberg went on 564 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 5: the record and told Joe Rogan, the FBI came in 565 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 5: and said, you better shut down any of the laptop stories. 566 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 5: And like you said, Charlie, once you put anything up 567 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 5: about the laptop, it didn't matter if you're Charlie Kirk 568 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 5: with millions of followers or the New York Post with 569 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 5: hundreds of years of reporting the news. Your account was 570 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 5: shut down and you were shut out. 571 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 8: Yeah. And now we have, thanks to Foyer requests, which 572 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 8: I know will be a major part of this, the 573 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 8: DHS was doing block grants to continue the censorship regime. Right, 574 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 8: And as you guys know, through discovery and asking for 575 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 8: documents and stuff, I think we're going to get a 576 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 8: really interesting picture of the modern censorship Leviathan, Right, How 577 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 8: deep is this how widespread? And we know that it 578 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 8: transcends different different agencies. We know that right just through 579 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 8: public of reporting and through the Twitter files and so 580 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 8: what has now become a priority of the Biden administration 581 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 8: is using taxpayer funding and the threat of law enforcement 582 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 8: to try and stifle or silence political dissidence people that disagree, 583 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 8: And isn't that harmonic with what the Department of Justice 584 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 8: is doing against Donald Trump and you know, anyone in 585 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 8: Donald Trump's orbit. It seems as if they want to 586 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 8: use the full force of the government to try not 587 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 8: to try to win the debate, but to make that 588 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 8: there's no debate at all. And thankfully we still have 589 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 8: that you know, handy dandy United States Constitution that you 590 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 8: guys at ACLJ have done a phenomenal job of actually 591 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 8: defending for years that a fair judge looking at this, 592 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 8: you know, with all the information put together, boy, central 593 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 8: government is not allowed to shut up its citizen that 594 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 8: we have explicit protections for that don't have to read 595 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 8: beyond the First Amendment to get there. 596 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: Well, Charlie, it's an honor for us to represent you 597 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: and tp USA. We're going to get to the bottom 598 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: of this. It's going to be aggressive litigation, but it's 599 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 4: very very important litigation. As we more ahead, we appreciate it, Charlie, 600 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 4: thanks for being with us so much. 601 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks Charlie, and folks, again we told you 602 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 5: we have big case to announce we'll be representing Turning 603 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 5: Point USA, maybe some other groups as well, and Charlie Kirk. 604 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: These are individuals organization because. 605 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 4: Their individual accounts were shut down. 606 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 5: With millions of followers, and you talk to think about 607 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: the influencing again, this is the ACLJ exists. 608 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: And I got to tell you, folks, this is the 609 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 4: last day of the Life and Liberty Drive. And I 610 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: couldn't think of a better case to announce on the 611 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: last day than a case going after this once and 612 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: for all to get to the bottom of this. Now, 613 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: we have assembled a stellar team. We've increased our staffing 614 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 4: over the last several weeks and last several months actually, 615 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: we brought in some very seasoned lawyers as well. 616 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: We've got some really good young talent. 617 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: That we've just hired, and we've got some lawyers that 618 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: you know from our work at the representing the former president. 619 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: Our colleague Jane Raskin is now Special counselor of the ACLJ. 620 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 4: Craig Parsill, who's probably one of the best tech lawyers 621 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: I think in the country, has been with us for 622 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 4: a while now, but he's a senior counsel. So we've 623 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 4: got the team assembled and this is where you come in. 624 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: They need our help and we need your help, and 625 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: that's how we get together on this. As you know, 626 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 4: we've got sixteen cases against the Biden administration, and today 627 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: we announced a major lawsuit on behalf of Turning Point 628 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: USA and Charlie Kirk against the cent ship coming out 629 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: of the Department of Homeland Security. 630 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: So this is where you come in. 631 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: We're not gonna let conservative speech be labeled Nazi hate 632 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 4: speech by the government. 633 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: But that's where you come in. 634 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: Your support to the aclj's critical Join us today the 635 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: last day to do it. 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