WEBVTT - Why MLB Legends Can't Agree Who's the Real GOAT 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:02.360 Welcome to the show. Barry bonds Man. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.640 You seven time MVP, fourteen time All Star, eight Gold Gloves, 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.840 all time leader, and home runs single season home run leader, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:12.960 the greatest baseball player of all time. When you hear that, 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:13.760 what comes to your mind? 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.120 I don't really talk about it. I let my peers 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.160 talk about it. I always tell people, if you're good 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.159 at something, they'll talk about it. You don't need to 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.320 say anything, So I don't really talk about it. I 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.240 know statistically where I am. I don't need to explain it. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.480 I'd rather just help the young generation and give you 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.519 the information that was given me teacher, as much as 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.360 I know. And then, you know, I always tell people 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.680 always ask me, like, how do you do it? I'm 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.360 just stay around long enough for someone to talk about you. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.839 That's pretty much is just don't be a commercial, right, 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.640 you know, if you want to be really good at something, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.760 you just don't have to be doing it a long time. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.440 Well, obviously very humble about your success, but do you 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.200 ever kind of look back and at the stuff you've 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.240 accomplished in some of the records that will never be touched, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.880 Like do you think, hey, like when I was playing, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:03.920 I was I really did it at the highest level 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:04.360 I do. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:09.560 I look back and it's different. I have this, you know, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.399 like you talk about Michael Jordan, you can talk our 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.679 i Q is like way up here, tiger. You know, 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.920 it's so high. And I think for myself, I look 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.920 back at the gifts that God blessed me with, and 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.800 then I look back at the hard work that I 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.480 put into it. And then I try to find ways 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.920 of how do I give this to someone else, or 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.200 how do I teach this, or how do you pass 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.759 this on? End names and and when you have your 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.840 peers talk about you, and you know, that's just the 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.640 top of the list. There's there's no other lists greater 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.039 than it. I don't care who you are, what you are. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.800 If you have your peers talking about you out a plus. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.360 Welcome to the show, Dale Strawberry. You got a chance 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.280 to play when you were Barry? 0:01:58.760 --> 0:01:59.600 Yes, that was that. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.040 Barry is the greatest player I ever ever seen. I 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.920 saw Barry when he first came up with the Pirates. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.799 Never seen nobody like that. I was like, Wow, it 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.000 was this guy, a little skinny kid. They got Pittsburgh. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.000 He turns a ninety five mile par fastball. Doc gooding around, 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.560 hit it out of the ballpark. I said, man, he's special. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.440 Then I saw him play. I was like, there's nobody, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.160 nobody like that. And I mean nobody. I don't care 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.480 how many players have played this game. There's never been 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.440 a player like Barry Bond. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:34.560 Never. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.160 Boy could do everything good and he'll let you know it, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.919 which was which was great because I know and understand 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.359 why he was like that, and you know, the media 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.040 didn't know and understand why he. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:47.320 Was like that. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:53.000 But it was like that because they treated his father 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.560 bad and his father was a great player, and he 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.200 never got the credit for, you know, the kind of 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.440 player he was. See what a lot of times, well 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.720 people don't understand this. Black players never get the credit 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.359 for how good they really are and what they do 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.440 because you know, the media always want to make it 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.880 out of well, well, well you should, you make it 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.120 look so easy. This is not easy what you're doing. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.080 I mean, this is hard what we're doing, you know, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.560 out there on the ball field and trying to be 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.640 a complete player. And that's what Bobby Bonds was and 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.480 that's what Barry Bonds was. Barry took right after his 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.840 father being a complete player, playing the game of baseball. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.919 I have never seen nobody ever that good. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.800 Welcome to the show, Dusty Baker's that wrong, bro? You 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.840 join the Giants right after they signed Barry. He had 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.440 a great relationship with his father. I had Royce Clayton 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.840 on last week. He told me how Barry came in 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.440 with the backwards hat, the dangling earring, the jokes. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:52.600 Did you know. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.760 Barry earlier before he got to the Bigs? Because of 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.760 obviously your connecting to Bobby Well, I. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.720 Held very couple days. I think he's born, you know Riverside, 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:03.600 Uncle Dusty. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.960 Yeah, and so uh hey man, Bobby used to tell 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.440 me how good Bearry is going to be because I 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.280 had lost contact with Barry because I was off doing 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.920 my thing and Bobby wasn't lying. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:21.239 You know, he's one of the best. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:26.360 No, he's the best player I had and the best 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.240 player alongside Hank Aaron that I you know that i'd 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.160 been around. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.200 What's his day to day? 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:31.440 Like? 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.279 We got a chance to sit down with Barry in 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.400 the way he broke things down and pitches and how 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.839 he played the mental game in his head, that it 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:40.640 was just him and the picture. It wasn't the defense. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.080 I mean obviously his preparation was top. Yeah, because see 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.120 most time he don't tell. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.760 You he opened up. I'm surprised. Even his daughter's like, well. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.800 He opened up now because he ain't playing against you. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:51.800 There you go. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:53.800 Yeah, yeah. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.839 But see, the thing about it is he was very disciplined, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.719 not only on the field, but off the field. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:00.720 He worked hard. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.599 A lot of times people think that he didn't didn't 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.560 take batting practice, or didn't do this or that. A 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.159 lot of times he'd get up in the morning and 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.159 go work out, or they'll come back and then you know, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.599 we'd be amazed. Sometimes he hadn't picked up a ball. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.920 Sometimes he hadn't swung a bad And now now they 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.080 got sleep rooms where they used to get on Burier 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.279 before about sleeping before the game, and now they have 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.000 designated rooms to sleep you know what I'm saying. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.880 So you would take just to take a nap. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.640 Yeah, but see you got to like shake you and 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:38.040 jump back because the swing, Yeah, I think so, you know, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.000 And so like the. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.520 Thing about it in this man, he knew what was coming, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.680 like Hank all the time. He had total recall, you know, 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.960 and everything. And he's a guy that should should be 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.520 in the Hall, and he's a guy that should be 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:52.920 in the games. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.200 There's a lot of knowledge there is. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.840 I agree that you managed him through arguably one of 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.719 the greatest offensive season in baseball history, the two thousand 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.200 and two season, where he hit seventy three home runs 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.640 in the dugout day to day being just up to 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.200 be able to see his greatness. What was that like? 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.880 Well, every day you just knew he's gonna hit one. Literally, yeah, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.960 I mean, you just didn't know how he's going here, right, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:21.400 And Sean Dunstan is a guy that really really uh 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.440 you know, pumped him up because you know, Barry Design, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.720 I don't know. S Yeah, you can do it, man, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:28.640 you could do it. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.359 They had a bet, you. 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.000 Know, I remember he won a car off it, right. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.960 I wasn't gonna say that, but yeah, no, I think 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.000 he told us about that. Didn't he tell us about that? 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.280 And you know, very little tight man. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:39.280 He didn't want to he didn't. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:44.120 Want to spend that money. Two thousand and two World Series. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.000 You go seven games, right, you guys are up three 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.839 to two or go six. You were up three two, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.599 three outs to go, and and somehow it ended up 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:56.240 slipping away. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.040 Hey, man, just oh, that game at seven. Yeah, you 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:03.000 know we got two thousand, twenty twenty two. Yeah, oh yeah, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.240 I went seven. And yeah, I mean that's that was 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.119 a big motivator for me after we lost that serious 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.200 because my dad told me, he goes, man, I don't know, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.600 if you didn't win that game, you may never win one. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.240 And you know, back in the old days, negative motivation 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.360 was something that that. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.720 You know, would resonate. But now you can't. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.040 Use negative motivation, so it doesn't work. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.120 You know, I was along ride home. I knew that 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.280 I was that I was leaving, and you know, Bill, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.200 Bill Watson told me sometimes you can stay somewhere too long, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.240 and that's why I left. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.440 Welcome to the show, Kenny Lofton. You didn't have a 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.520 long time with them, but Bonds. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:51.920 I mean, it was. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.200 It was weird seeing him in the clubhouse and walking around. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:03.040 You're like, dude, this dude is a specimen. And seeing Barry, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.200 I've never seen a guy let the ball get right here. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.360 Before you swing the back. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.720 That's that's uncalled for. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.000 That's just unseen. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.200 And me and I still remember let's play. We were 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.280 playing the playoffs. It was against uh No, I was 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.000 thinking it was the last series of the year and 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.040 we were playing against We were playing against the Braves. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.679 Smokes was pitching. So the day before we were running 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.760 the outfield the game or whatever, and Smost was out 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.480 there doing stuff and he told Barry, I'm gonna come 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:37.120 right at you brain. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.319 He's like, bringing it, get out, bring it out. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.520 I'm like, oh, she's in the next day and all 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.240 of a sudden, they came warming up and I'm like, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.120 and then Barry hollered out and said, yeah, bring He said, 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.959 I'm gonna break it. We got to the game, right, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.560 so we you know, the first pitch, Smoke through ninety 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.599 eight right there, and Barry jumped back, got back in 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:03.280 the battlest box right. Barry looked at it right the 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.880 next pitch, she threw ninety eight again, almost in the 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.200 same spot with a little over the plate, hit that box. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.480 Team rolls up line drive and me and me and 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.720 Reggie Sanders and the dugout was like, did you just 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.000 see that? He knocked him, not knocked him down, but 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:24.200 he's just. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:26.640 Didn't even think about. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.840 The next pitch was almost the same height, just a 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.000 little bit over the plate. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.880 Going, light work going, and we. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:37.960 Look up w very well, looking at Reggie, he was like, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:39.040 did you. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:39.320 Just see that. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.480 I'm like, yeah, I just saw that, Bro, That's not human. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.280 Reggis like, that's not human. No, you can't do that, bro. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.160 It was and just seeing the discipline he had at 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.600 the plate, man, it's like and the tough part about it. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.520 They didn't want to throw him a strike and when 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.000 they want to strike it through, he was in the 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.960 seats well at the stadium. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.120 That was the only guy I played against. Where we 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.760 played it. It was at and T Park at the 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.120 time in San Francisco, and we would play a couple 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.160 feet in front of the warning track in San Francisco 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.959 at night, which one of the big ball and we 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.480 were positioned correctly because it was either a walk or 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.600 a d fly ball that was stopping. You catch it 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.000 at the walls, be gone, Oh it's gone. And it 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.760 wasn't nothing, but wasn't It wasn't no like broken bat, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.640 bass hits, was none of that. It was just this 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.559 or that. And I would go out early every day 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.400 and watch Barry hit like this is when I'm twenty 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.080 two years old and you just watching this dude like man, incredible, 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:36.760 and he looked out for me too. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.439 That's dope. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:40.840 The show man. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.000 Another slugger home run hitter during your era was Barry 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.920 Bonds battling against him? Uh, you know another five tool guy. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.080 What were those battles liking? Did you guys have any 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.080 personal relationship? 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.520 Yeah, you know we talk in and out and until 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.120 we saw each other, always see each oldn anytime they 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.760 spend trending because you know, we have a speak training 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.120 in Arizona. But also Erryman was something else, I mean, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.439 the guy something else. Ye mean, I mean I conceded 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.520 myself with a good heater, but he was in the top. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.680 I mean I chased so many by peaches, but he 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.800 never chased any by peaches. He wait for his own peaching, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:24.160 and when when he's speaching, never meets. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:21.720 For the show. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.040 Barry Bonds joins the team in ninety three. What do 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.920 you remember most about that team? And you know, your 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.600 first real experience in the big leagues. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.920 Well, especially in the ninety three team, it was you know, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.680 with Barry becoming that main guy, and you know it 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:42.280 was still Matt Williams, will Clark, Robie Thompson, William McGee, 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:47.520 Kevin Bass. We had Vass, you know, veteran leadership. But 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.640 Barry came in with his hat backers here ring on 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.880 with some hot top shoes. First day of spring Trader 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.000 just starts talking about everybody. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.680 Damn man. But he took it. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.520 That was like my big bro because my brother played 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.160 the Arizona State with him, so I knew him because 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.440 my mom would cook dinner when they come to play 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.559 UCLA USC So Barry was already. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.920 At the house talking about me. Yeah. So then when 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.440 we became teammates. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.360 It was like, man, I got another big brother right here, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.480 happens to be the best player in the game. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.280 But it was a great experience. Man. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.679 Before we get to just seeing Barry day in day out, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.720 I wanted to ask about Matt Williams and Will Clark 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.880 the hot corner over there third base, and then Will 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:27.000 the thrill man. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.280 It was like great story because Robbie Thompson was my 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.959 double play partner and they'd all come together to the 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.680 big leagues around the same time. So very very just 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.960 hard on those dudes, man. And when I got caught 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.160 up in ninety one, Joseo Rebay was still a short 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.679 stop taking ground balls and shortstop and I asked mister 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.920 Thompson where do you like to feed? And he walks 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.120 behind second base and stands there like this. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.080 So I'm like, okay, sure enough, I get in the game. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.120 I think chef hooked won. Bip was on first. I 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.840 was sliding the hole man made a good play and 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.800 through it a little bit inside. Robbie went to the 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.600 back of the back and just watching it going to the 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:07.600 right feet. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.520 He wasn't getting taken out. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:12.480 And then. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:15.320 So he could have grabbed it. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.320 He could have got it, bro but he was like, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.280 taught me a lesson, and we led the league in 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.600 double plays. And okay, so, but Barry was always talking shit, right. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.120 He said, I'll bet you two grand you don't hit 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.199 three hundred or two eighty, and if you do, I'll 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:29.960 give you two grand. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.520 If you don't, you owe me a grand. So I 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:32.480 was like, all right, cool back. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.880 I was already hitting close to three hundred. So we 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.360 come into Dodger Stay and we won the first three games. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.120 We had to win the fourth in order to play 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.520 the Braves in the playoff because they already won one 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.120 hundred and four games, and being at home in La, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.000 we got smoked. Oh man, a little Sorda was going crazy. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.880 It was just one of those Dodger Giant rivalry things. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.560 And I'll never forget. After the game, I was just 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.400 so dejected and Barry hands me two grand says good job. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.520 I was like, man, how could he be thinking of 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.760 this shit? We just lost his game. But that's just 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.000 the kind of dude he is. People don't know that, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.720 but it meant a lot to me. But just to know, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.040 like during that time he still thought about that. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.840 It was crazy getting to see him day in day out, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.560 his work ethic, his VP and just his greatness on 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:21.880 the field. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.480 What was that like? 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.000 Man, it was different because I'm having the best players 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.640 I've ever seen in my life, you know, the Tony 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.480 Gwinn's and all these Barry Larkins, all these dudes. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.320 Asking me like, how is it playing with this dude? 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.200 I'm like, man, you're totally like how you asking me this? 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.440 But you know, we had a good time with it, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.960 and I think I picked up I was able to 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.800 understand his mental because at the time you're young, you're 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.440 just seeing this dynamic player. You're not understanding how mentally 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.960 superior he is to be, how good he is. So 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.720 different examples like we would go I remember we were 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.480 playing the Reds or somebody, and he looks at me, goes, man, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.040 we don't get paid for overtime. Why I'm dibbles throwing 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.800 a hundred. Barry comes up first, pissed. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.760 Oh. I was just like, oh, my dad, Yeah. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.520 I've never seen a dude besides him and Griffy. I'll 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.160 tell you Griffy story. But those dudes were just different, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.360 like how good they were and confident and their mental 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:19.920 was just like different. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.400 Fourteen time all start, eight gold gloves, all time leader 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.000 and home runs, Barry bonds. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.760 You know, like with my career, you know, I took 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.480 a little bit from everyone. I mean, the greatest of 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.720 the greats become they kind of like steal gifts from 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.760 other people, and you're able to create yourself, you know, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:39.040 like Tony Gwinn here, Pete Rose here, you know, Willie 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.680 May's here, Hank here and there, and you know, we're 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.520 able to see all these qualities in each individual player 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.080 and then you kind of invent yourself. I just wanted 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.240 to be a great hitter. I knew I had power, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.960 I knew I could do certain things, but my dad 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.160 always told me, you know, be a great hitter. Don't 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.240 chase the fence, chase the fence, you're gonna lose. Be 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.280 a great hitter, and that's that's all I. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:02.680 Wanted to do. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.520 So I had to take Tony gwyn as a great hitter, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.080 Pee Rose at a great hitter, Rod Carw, and I 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.280 had to take contact hitters because I could hit the 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.120 long ball, but I was striking out a lot when 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.880 I was younger, and I had to close that gap. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.480 And so my dad always told me, we're going to 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.240 think you don't do well, son, things you do well, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.600 you always gravitate to that. If you can bring twenty 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.960 percent or thirty percent or ten percent of what you 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.080 don't do well, that increases what you do well. So 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.520 it kind of balances them together. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.640 You mentioned, I mean Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn, Pete Rose, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.880 some of the greatest contact hitters of all time. What 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.800 were some of the things you watched that they did 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.320 that you kind of picked up on. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.600 Their patients the way that they can calculate things on 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.800 the field. I was able to mathematically calculate what a 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.080 picture can and can't do. Once I can calculate you, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.360 then I could beat you. And then then it becomes 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:03.200 this what is beating him. The goal of hitting is 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.879 it's me and him, and if I can keep that 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.320 tunnel vision between me and him and forget the goons 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.760 that are around him, because in theory, my job is 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.000 just to hit him and be good against him. Understanding 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.720 the velocity of a pitch just a fastball. So we're 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.600 just going to use a fastball analysis because you have 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.560 a guy who throws batting practice to you every single day, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.240 and he only throws a fastball, right, and he tries 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.879 to help you be really good, and we screw that 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.160 up half the time. So I had to figure out 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.280 how to master batting practice first, because this guy is 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.480 trying to help me, So how do I can direct that? Now, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.919 I'm going to piece it to speed. Now I have 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.480 to understand what my swing technique is and then understand 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.720 the velocity of a pitch and the velosy of the ball. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.840 The further the faster it comes to me, the further 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.840 goes right. But I don't change who I am. Right now, 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.960 if I can focus on him, I already know the 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.639 speed of a ball. Off my bat goes a certain speed, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.719 I don't care how many people over here, I can 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.320 still squeeze it through you. It's not like you're going 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.280 to catch every single thing, right, So my job is 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.080 my victory is to make contact off of him. Once 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.240 I do that, everything else is out of the equation. Right, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.600 So in theory I win. I really do win, even 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.440 though the pictures standing on the mounta going I got 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.119 you out. No, the second basement did a downfielder did? 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.639 Oh this guy, you were already out of equations. So 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.640 we took all these people off the field. You would 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.360 lose so much and be really crazy. Right, So now 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.480 I have to redirect my brain into this tunnel vision 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.639 of understanding. If I can concentrate enough to me and him, 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.440 they slowly disappear. But I can't fight two people at once. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.879 I can't say a hit the line drive to a 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.800 short stop, or hit the line drive to the outfielder 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.640 and he made a catch. Now I want to try 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.560 to beat them both. You can't one on one. I 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.400 can fight, but I can't fight two on one. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:49.120 I'm going to lose. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.000 So I have to refocus and go right back to 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.000 here and go, let me try to do that again. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.320 Let me try to do that again, and let me 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.160 try to do that again, and then my success rate 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.440