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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: A Many Parasites Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show I'm Trash, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: all the animals who intentionally make themselves look like garbage.

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Speaker 1: These animals want you to just ignore them because they're normal, littered,

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Speaker 1: nothing to see here. Those some have sinister purposes. Discover

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Speaker 1: this and more as we answer the age old question

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Speaker 1: why do so many bugs want to look like poop?

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is friend of the show, comedian and

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Speaker 1: producer of the City Council Show podcast, Polavie good Loland. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm super excited to be on this episode. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I like, I feel like so many people also disguise

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Speaker 2: themselves as trash exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes like you just want to kind of appear

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Speaker 1: like trash. You can float through the world and not

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Speaker 1: have any anyone interacts.

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Speaker 2: Do you I have a question, do you ever feel

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Speaker 2: like a plastic bag?

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Speaker 1: Wow? That's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Did you come up with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Just now, I just that's that's.

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Speaker 1: Such a beautiful sentiment. I love that. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I do sometimes feel like like tarash. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I'm how I'm approaching that word, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like trash sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see like a fish that looks

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Speaker 2: like a Dorito's bag, you know, just like trash. I

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Speaker 2: was like picturing like human trash, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy that there's a like a lizard that looks

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Speaker 2: like a water bottle. That's the wild I mean, give.

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Speaker 1: Them, give them like a few more million years of

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Speaker 1: evolution and it'll happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So we are talking about animals to disguise

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Speaker 1: themselves as garbage for a variety of fun reasons. The

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Speaker 1: first one I want to talk about is the cockatoo

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Speaker 1: wasp fish, also known as a Blabby's tinodus.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna be like, fish, get your own

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Speaker 2: animal name, because it's like cockatoo wasp fish, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. I feel like it's appropriating very many

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Speaker 2: different animal cultures, and it's good to know it has

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Speaker 2: its own name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a Blaby's tin nionodus. Yeah. It is

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Speaker 1: a six inch or fifteen centimeter fish found in the

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Speaker 1: West Pacific near Japan, Australia, and Fiji. They are typically

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Speaker 1: found on the sandy seafloor or in seagrass, and they

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Speaker 1: basically their whole lifestyle is don't mind me, I'm a

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Speaker 1: dead piece of gross kelp ignore me.

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Speaker 2: Mm calp the trash of the sea, right, other than

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Speaker 2: the trash that we also put in the sea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's also trash. It's like, yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 1: KELP is sort of like the.

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Speaker 2: Dead leaves of the sea's trash.

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Speaker 1: Nature's trash, and it they really commit to the bit, uh, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I've provided you with a couple of YouTube links if

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Speaker 1: you like, be so kind of check those out.

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Speaker 2: That'd be so weird if I clicked on this YouTube

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Speaker 2: link and I started getting ads from fish new kel

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Speaker 2: they're all heavily Oh whoa, there was one in the

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Speaker 2: foreground that I didn't even see, right, Wow, they're very

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Speaker 2: good at it. And they're doing the whole like lazing

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Speaker 2: around getting moved by the water. Yeah, water, which is

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Speaker 2: wind of the sea.

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Speaker 1: The wind of the sea water.

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Speaker 2: Yes, damn. That's such a chill life, just like and

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Speaker 2: just relaxing and trash.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's they are doing a method acting

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Speaker 1: of the of the dead.

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Speaker 2: KELP really going for who was the succession guy, Jeremy

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Speaker 2: what's his name, Jeremy Strong could never. Jeremy Strong could.

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Speaker 1: Never, Daniel day Lewis, who else does wishes? Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: Jared Letto, Lito.

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Speaker 2: Jared, A bunch of strangely ego tripping.

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Speaker 1: Men, right, more like Jared Lefo this guy there we go.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, watching the second clip one second?

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Speaker 1: Do they.

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Speaker 2: Like kelp is different colors?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, I mean brown green mostly, So I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wondering if like the kelp in the area wherever these are, like,

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Speaker 2: if they if they reflect the color of the kelp there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably I would imagine, so like there's there's a

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Speaker 1: great deal of this color of brownish sort of reddish

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Speaker 1: but they are covered in poisonous spines. Oh my god, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: venomous spines. So unfortunately they if you step on one

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Speaker 1: it's fun because they make themselves intentionally look just like kelp.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and then you're gonna spine me.

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Speaker 1: Are you checking me?

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Speaker 2: It's a my.

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Speaker 1: Fault, right, Good luck with that. And even like more

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Speaker 1: toxic of them is that they're predators and they will

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Speaker 1: each shrimp and small crustaceans, and this form of mimicry

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Speaker 1: is not just to evade detection from it is to

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Speaker 1: evade detection from their prey. So they just act like

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Speaker 1: a dead piece of kelp float along and then ambush

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Speaker 2: That would give me so many like I would have

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Speaker 2: so many trauma responses to vegetation after that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it. You don't expect like basically

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Speaker 1: the limp salad of the sea to attack you. That's

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Speaker 1: the last place you would expect violence from, like essentially

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Speaker 1: sea salad. So essentially, the only clue you have that

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Speaker 1: seafloor is its eyes, and their eyes are really weird

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if you noticed in that video,

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Speaker 1: but they kind of like stabilize, like as they're floating,

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Speaker 1: their eyes remain kind of like gyroscopically stable, so they

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Speaker 2: It's like in those videos of like people like moving

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Speaker 2: chickens arounds and their heads to in the same spot.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly like that, except the chicken is covered in

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Speaker 1: venomous spines and looks like sea salad.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they would do better on land if they did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess we would,

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Speaker 1: like that would be very effective. Camouflage for a chicken

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Speaker 1: is like a salad, because then meat eaters are like,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, tasteress like chicken. I hate myself.

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Speaker 1: Pullavi. Is it just me? Or do you ever just

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Speaker 1: like dress up in garbage when you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be bothered, Like you put on into Yeah, just like

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Speaker 1: the word you're most off putting sweater or jeans like

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Speaker 1: an intentionally placed marinera sauce stained somewhere just so you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was intentional sure.

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Speaker 1: Art artfully designed stains so that when you go outside

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean that's like when I walk

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Speaker 2: my dogs, I'm always just like dressed in whatever I'm

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Speaker 2: It's like it's unfortunately attention grabbing it the wrong way,

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Speaker 2: like in that it's like so mismatched. But luckily in

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Speaker 2: Hollywood nobody care, right, But yeah, I have a lot

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Speaker 2: of my whole, my whole that's like this the Billie

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Speaker 2: Eilish thing where she wore a bunch of like baggy

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Speaker 2: sweatpants and stuff so people wouldn't look at her body.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, it's just sometimes you don't want

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Speaker 2: Except the US people dress very nicely a lot of

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Speaker 1: It seems that way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I go to and yet I'm like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 2: you would wear just a T shirt outside of your home?

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Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, and they're like, that's disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I went to an Italian language class, I

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Speaker 2: You're welcome that I'm here.

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Speaker 1: But the kind of the commitment to lounge wear, to

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Speaker 1: wearing garbage so that you're not noticed is done by

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Speaker 1: the humble crab who I don't know if you've heard

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Speaker 1: of this idea of carsonization where animals repeatedly evolved to

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Speaker 1: be crab shaped. But all I'm saying is we are

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Speaker 1: sort of headed towards crab form eventually. And so isn't

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Speaker 2: That movie was about? The crab or the lobster? What

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Speaker 2: was it that Jake jillen All.

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Speaker 1: Movie, No idea. I've never heard of this, but I

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Speaker 1: would love it if there's a Jake Jillenhall movie called

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Speaker 1: the Crab.

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Speaker 2: Farrell, they're kind of the same to Okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Colin Farrell, wasn't a movie called the Lobster?

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Speaker 2: That's what it was?

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Speaker 1: Where you have to like I think you have to

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Speaker 1: like find you have to marry someone or you turn

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Speaker 2: And that's where we're all going. A single woman, this

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Speaker 2: is exactly where I'm headed. I'm about to turn into

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Speaker 1: I think going crab is not so bad. Honestly, you

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Speaker 1: can scuttle a lot more. Scuttling's nice, it's a good

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Speaker 1: it's a good form of locomotion. Anyway, I would I

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Speaker 1: would dig a crab lifestyle, especially decorator crabs, because decorator

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Speaker 1: crabs are basically Yes, they're basically like, I am small

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Speaker 2: So they decorate themselves.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: How come it's called decorator crabs and not like defender crabs.

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Speaker 2: It's because they're cute.

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Speaker 1: Toxic femininity.

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Speaker 2: Their life, their survival skills or little arts and crafts

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Speaker 1: Right, scientists, pinterest crabs. Yes, so there are at least

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Speaker 1: fifteen species of crabs known as decorator crabs, who will

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Speaker 1: it on tiny, little velcrow like hooks on their bodies.

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Speaker 1: They're literally covered in velcrow and oh wow, yeah, so

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Speaker 1: they can just pick Yeah, that's crazy. The hooks are

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Speaker 1: called cetae, and cetae are just it's just as science

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Speaker 1: see word for like hair like bristles. So they can

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Speaker 1: things like kelp, broken bits of coral shells, pebbles. Some

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Speaker 1: species of decorator crab even choose to attach toxic bits

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Speaker 1: of scrap onto their bodies like little anenemies. I said

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Speaker 1: that wrong. Anemonies. That's that's a word that does not

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Speaker 1: feel good in my mouth. So it's thought that the

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Speaker 1: anemonies may benefit by being able to taxi around and

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Speaker 1: find food, while the crab benefits from the anemones toxins. Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's like having like one mean friend. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: like they benefit because they get access to all the

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Speaker 2: places you go because you're nice, But then you benefit

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Speaker 2: Okay, how do we do this? But with like billionaires

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Speaker 1: Lure them into buying social media companies and dunk on

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Speaker 2: That that they're like, it's affecting so many hermit crabs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the little guys too. I love hermit crabs.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what if you had like a cascade

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Speaker 2: Why is a sloppy bun? Okay, but a frizzy bun

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Speaker 2: First of all, but I didn't know how to articulate

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, big same. I When I try to

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Speaker 1: right exactly on Someday's post lobotomy. On Someday's pre lobotomy.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just it doesn't look great. So I

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Speaker 1: It's something that I have to imagine people work at

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Speaker 2: So you're so gross looking, this is so disgusting.

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Speaker 1: They really do look like bird poops. So spiders love

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Speaker 2: White part, very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: sell it.

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00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: Talk about a cascade of death.

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00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, they also. Daniel day Lewis ith they method

438
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: act by holding their legs tucked in and staying still

439
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: to really give it that authentic poop performance.

440
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: And some in law and order as a corpse right now,

441
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Speaker 2: I would love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, if we like lived in a magical

443
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: world where animals, you know, like in the Flintstones, where

444
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Speaker 1: animals were all employed as stuff, and like you had

445
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Speaker 1: to have like bird poop in a movie, so you

446
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: cast one of these as the bird poop and then

447
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: you paid them a fair wage. Yeah, I mean, I

448
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: think the.

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00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: Most unrealdcast, right, the most unrealistic part of that scenario

450
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: is someone being Yeah, were like, what a dream of

451
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: fair wage? What a dream?

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, sentient spiders, Maybe we'll get there soon. Fair

453
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: wage not a chance? So so yes, Uh. They grow

454
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: to be about half an inch or a little over

455
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Speaker 1: a centimeter wide. So while they're not like super teeny tiny,

456
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: they're definitely prey for birds. So what better way to

457
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Speaker 1: keep a bird from eating you than looking like a

458
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: piece of poop? Yep, So they are hunters as well

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00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: they are spiders, and they actually go from day to

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Speaker 1: night using a different kind of mimicry. It's like, day

461
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Speaker 1: look is poop, night look is something else.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, who amongst us, you know, when we

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Speaker 2: go out at night, right, look much different than the

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: poop look during the day.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. So they hunt for their favorite food at night,

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Speaker 1: which is moths. And at night it's not so much

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00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that they change their appearance, but they definitely put on

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00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: a deceptive perfume. So the bird dropping spider releases a

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00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: pheromone that mimics that of a female moth, So the

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00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: horny male moths will come right up to the spider,

471
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: who smells like a sexy female, and then the spider

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00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: eats the male.

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Speaker 2: I think the female moths are in on it. I

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Speaker 2: think they're the ones who are like, They're like, here,

475
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Speaker 2: take this perfume and then murder my husband.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean yeah, I think, yeah, like, would this

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00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: this male moth just made fun of my antenna. Here's

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00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: some perfume. Do what you will.

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00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: This is like the Chicago movie, like but moth and

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00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 2: birds and oh I would.

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Speaker 1: I would definitely pay to see an insect version of Chicago. Yeah,

482
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: can you met like Catherine Zada Jones is like a spider.

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00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Yeah.

484
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, it goes from being a piece of poop

485
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: during the day to a femme fatale at night, which

486
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: I love. It's what we all dream of. Hell yeah,

487
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: So there are many other spiders and insects who use

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Speaker 1: the poop defense. So, uh, one other type of insect.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about our moths. So the Drea's

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Speaker 1: book You'd Rise, I have no Oh my god, You'd raise,

491
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Speaker 1: You'd Raise. Grata moths aka beautiful wood nymphs found in

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Speaker 1: the US have white, brown, black and green splotches on

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Speaker 1: their wings, and when their wings are actually wide open,

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Speaker 1: they are quite lovely m They look like pretty moths.

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Speaker 1: They don't look like anything gross or strange. But when

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00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: they fold their wings and they splay out their front legs,

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: so their front legs are kind of fuzzy, like covered

498
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: in like white fuzz, which is cute. But when they

499
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: like splay them out and fold their wings up, they

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00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: look like a bird poop splatter.

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: It's because it like goes from white to like slightly

502
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: green to brown. Yeah, it looks like how a bird

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: poop like crusts over. Yes, And so when they're like

504
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: folded up like that, it looks like a drip of

505
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: bird poop in like the positioning and then also in

506
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: like the grady end. But then when they're open they

507
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: look so pretty.

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00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I love that they can transform

509
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: from pretty moth to like. Nope, I am a splatter

510
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: of nasty, crusty bird doodo.

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00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: Moths contain multitudes indeed.

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's another moth known as macrosilics Maya, found

513
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: in Malaysia, and they are perhaps the most impressive bird

514
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: dropping mimics. Uh. Their wings actually feature an entire painting

515
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: not only of splattered bird poop, but what seems to

516
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: be a couple of flies eating the poop.

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00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, holy that looks crazy, right. It looks

518
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: like a cartoon, like somebody drew it.

519
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: But also the bird poop also looks like a penis,

521
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: like that part of it because it's like symmetricals right,

522
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: so like when they pull it right and a penis

523
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: coming up along the spine.

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00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: It's it's the first known of mimicry and pornography.

525
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: So not much is known about why this moth has

527
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: this impressive mimicry, but it is likely it's to ward

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00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: off predators who are not particularly interested in a bunch

529
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: of bird poop and a couple of flies eating that

530
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: bird poop.

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Speaker 2: Do you think flies get tricked too? You know what?

532
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: I bet they do? I bet they like go up

533
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: to this moth's ass and they're like, hey, what's going

534
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: on here?

535
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: And it doesn't smell like they wanted to smell.

536
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Right, it's just not it's not working out for them,

537
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: it is. I really there's like surprisingly not that much

538
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: research on these things, and I really want there to

539
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: be more because this is so it's so ridiculous. Like

540
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: you can see the outline of the flies, you can

541
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: see their little red heads, you can see sort of

542
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: different segments of their bodies.

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00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: It's sort of really crazy, right, Like it literally looks

544
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: like a cartoon, Like it's wild. Do you think there

545
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: are other moths that we haven't discovered with like other

546
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: things on their wings that would make you averse to

547
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: coming up to them, Like a moth with a a

548
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: drunk bachelor repe party scene on their wings, like you know,

549
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: like a moth with like a red maga hat.

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00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: Right, a moth with the guy doing street magic. Yeah, No,

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00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: I think I think definitely there are moms like that

552
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: out there.

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00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: We have to we have to do the research to

554
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: find them.

555
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Right exactly. That'd probably be like that would be my

556
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: choice for like you, like, if we could wear camouflage

557
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: city camouflage that's just like things that would keep you

558
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: away from you, like, oh, if you just wear this

559
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: is mean because I do like green peace. But if

560
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: you wear like a sweater sweatshirt with green.

561
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: Peace on it, people who clipboard.

562
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: And have a clipboard, people will leave you alone because

563
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: everyone like dodges out of the way.

564
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: But then there's like that one weirdo who really wants

565
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: to talk about it, and then you're the mark, you

566
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

567
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Right, And then that and that weirdo is me. It

568
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: was me the whole time.

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00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: I think that's a you and me discovering that we

570
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: have the ability to wear whatever we want, you know, right,

571
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: this full episode is that being like, let's take inspiration

572
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: from these inxects. Yeah, express ourselves how we want to

573
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: express her belt. Yeah.

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00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean if I wear a shirt with a bunch

575
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: of bird duty printed on it, then I can get

576
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: pooped on by a bird and it won't make a difference.

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00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like a Mentos commercial. Actually, it's like

578
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: remember the ones where he like he sits down on

579
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: like a painted bench and he's like, oh no, and

580
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: then he makes us pinc stripe suit out of.

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00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh oh Yeah. That was like a really old one.

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00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Birds. Oh yeah, that one all the time, because it's

583
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: like in my memory.

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00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Yes, like a mentos. You sit on bird poop and

585
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of like just a bird poop covered

586
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: bench and you're like, oh man, I got bird poop.

587
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: And then you roll around and then someone's like nice

588
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: a Jackson Pollock.

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00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we figured out fashion. We figured it out.

590
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: Uh, pack it in Milan, pack it in Paris. We've

591
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: got the fashion down and the fashion is bird crap.

592
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: So mimicry, animal mimicry exactly. Follow me.

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