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Speaker 1: School of Humans. On Tuesday, July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old Dana Stidham went home to do some laundry.

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Speaker 1: She drove from where she was living in Centerton to

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Speaker 1: where her parents, Lawrence and Georgia, lived in Highwassee, Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: After she put her clothes in the wash cycle, she

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Speaker 1: now a Harp's grocery store, the one in Bella Vista.

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Speaker 1: She checked out at three seventeen PM. We know this

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Speaker 1: Dana knew everyone because she had worked there for three

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Speaker 1: years in high school. We're going to talk about Dana's case,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the contradictory clues that have been explored

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Speaker 1: other unsolved murders in the Ozarks. I'm noticing as I

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Speaker 1: compile these cases that there are a lot of unsolved

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Speaker 1: murders that happened along Arkansas Highway seventy one. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to explore all the theories that have come up

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Speaker 1: over the years and try to answer the question, was

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Speaker 1: this someone Dana knew or a stranger? Could it have

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Speaker 1: been a serial killer? I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past

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Speaker 1: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. So let's go back

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Speaker 1: to what we know. Back to the timeline. According to

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Speaker 1: the Benton County Sheriff's Office, Dana left home at around

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Speaker 1: After that she walked out into the parking lot. She

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Speaker 1: Newsleader from February eighteenth to nineteen ninety one. The Springfield

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Speaker 1: he had killed Kelly, but that he was just kidding.

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Speaker 1: He made some kind of comment along the lines of,

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Speaker 1: have been wasted. So he seemed to be kind of

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Speaker 1: But again, there's always someone out there who knows something.

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Speaker 1: I believe that Danis Didham's murder is solvable. If you

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Speaker 1: look at the mugshots of the three men who were

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Speaker 1: arrested in Kelly's case, they're all in their sixties. Their

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Speaker 1: mugshots look like someone's grandpa. But as I've said before,

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Speaker 1: investigating murders is the closest I'll ever get to time travel.

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Speaker 1: For the victim's family and for the entire community, they

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Speaker 1: are still reliving July twenty fifth, nineteen eighty nine, the

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Speaker 1: day when Danis Didham disappeared. Over and over. Dana's killer

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Speaker 1: may be still out there, but so is potentially the

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Speaker 1: person who has the information that could solve this case.

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Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen

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Speaker 1: Gone Murder Line is a production of School of Humans

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Speaker 1: and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and narrated by me Catherine

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Speaker 1: Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts and Miranda Hawkins. Music

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Speaker 1: contributed by Ben Salek. Special thanks to Amy Tubbs for

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Speaker 1: her research assistance. Noah camer mixed and scored this episode.

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Speaker 1: Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr, and Else Crowley.

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