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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? It is a Move to Sticks Monday,

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Speaker 1: and I am here with my man Lands Airline DJ. Look,

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Speaker 1: our guy Danny Jeremiah is out on the road this week,

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Speaker 1: covering three pro days. He will be hitting up Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, in Missouri. But it doesn't matter. I got

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Speaker 1: my man James Harden Philadin. We're getting buckets here on

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Speaker 1: the Move the Sticks podcast. Lands. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: How's everything doing good? Doing good? Just uh? I got

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Speaker 1: easy before doing that. So I think this comes down

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Speaker 1: to Dwayne Haskins versus quarterback class. That's a good way

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Speaker 1: of looking at it. And I know teams don't. They

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Speaker 1: don't like to project a year in advance. They want

431
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Speaker 1: to see how players because you know what I thought,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, You know, Justin Herbert had his moments and

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Speaker 1: then he really trailed off in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, and I think he And when I was

435
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Speaker 1: watching Dylan Mitchell wide Receiver from there, no one talks

436
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Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, he should get talked about a little.

437
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Speaker 1: He should be He should get talked about a lot more.

438
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Speaker 1: And when I was watching, the first thing he came

439
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Speaker 1: to that tape was man, Dylan had to work harder

440
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Speaker 1: than I thought he would. Justin Herbert, he was spraying

441
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Speaker 1: it all over the place. So I'm kind of with you.

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Speaker 1: That's the hot spot. Cincinnati eleven, Miami thirteen, Washington fifteen

443
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Speaker 1: Giants seventeen, eleven, thirteen, fifteen, seventeen. That's a spot. And

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Speaker 1: then I want me throw in a wild card? Is

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Speaker 1: Carolina a wild card right now? At sixteen? To be

446
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Speaker 1: interesting because I know starting to get beat up a

447
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Speaker 1: little bit. Jam's thirty, He's starting to get beat up

448
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, that's interesting. I think the perfect

449
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Speaker 1: place for Dwayne Haskins would actually be the Washington Riskins

450
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Speaker 1: in fifteen. Um, Like, he kind of reminds me. And

451
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Speaker 1: I hate to say this, and I said it when

452
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Speaker 1: he first was coming out. Um, he gotta reminds me

453
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Speaker 1: of like that Warren Moon, Doug Williams old classic gun slinging,

454
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Speaker 1: that kind of waddles back and kind of delivers it

455
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Speaker 1: from the pocket. But in Washington, I think it would

456
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Speaker 1: be a great situation because ifentually I think they have

457
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Speaker 1: one of more talented offensive lines, They're going to be

458
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Speaker 1: able to run the football when they get guys back.

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Speaker 1: Of all the places, I think that that's the one

460
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Speaker 1: that does have a little old line has a little

461
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Speaker 1: old one. Not as much they don't have any playmakers outside,

462
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Speaker 1: but that is a spot. And then at seventeen with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Like I've said this, I believe it to

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Speaker 1: be true. I think Daniel Jones is in the crosshairs

465
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Speaker 1: for the New York Giants. I believe the connection between

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Speaker 1: he and Eli, having played for David cut Cliff, having

467
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Speaker 1: Eli's backup quarterback train him his person lady being comparable

468
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Speaker 1: to elis I think David Getleman, as we're seeing, he

469
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Speaker 1: doesn't really want a whole a lot of personality in

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Speaker 1: that locker room, and so he would qualify as like

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Speaker 1: the perfect fit as the quarterback because he doesn't have

472
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Speaker 1: a lot of personality, but he does kind of play

473
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Speaker 1: and do things kind of the way that they see fit.

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Speaker 1: Is there a world where you see lock ahead of Haskins.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it because I think Haskins is a

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Speaker 1: much better player. However, Um, I think his talent, his

477
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Speaker 1: arm talent, it's fascinating. There's a lot of check marks

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Speaker 1: with Lock. But I just I can't get there on

479
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Speaker 1: the tape. I I definitely can't get there on the tape.

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Speaker 1: And look, I love Drew. I like all these these

481
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Speaker 1: kids because they came through the Leader Leven circuit. What

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Speaker 1: I will say with Drew is I could see someone

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Speaker 1: seeing him like Matthew Stafford, seeing his low completion percentage

484
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Speaker 1: and being able to kind of excuse it away and

485
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Speaker 1: saying like, look look at who he played with, look

486
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Speaker 1: at the system, this, and that he's a talent, the guy.

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Speaker 1: Get him in our system. We can do it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think there is I think there will be that

489
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Speaker 1: debate and people will tream, but I think you have

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Speaker 1: to stick to the tape. I'm gonna go with Dwayne Haskins.

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Speaker 1: I think Dwayne Haskins to me, I have him over

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Speaker 1: everybody else. We'll see how it plays out. UM. To me,

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Speaker 1: he is just a traditional quarterback that has played in

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Speaker 1: the league for years and years on him. Let's go,

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Speaker 1: let's let's start a debate. Then let's start with Haskins

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Speaker 1: versus Kyler Murray. Then if you've got Haskins over everybody,

497
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Speaker 1: you mean everybody, everybody, everybody, Haskins versus all y'all, as

498
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Speaker 1: they would saying, let me, let me start with the

499
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Speaker 1: other side. Kyler I recently bumped. I had them literally

500
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Speaker 1: one was a six too old and one was a

501
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Speaker 1: six to one, so I had them literally right together.

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Speaker 1: I made a small bump on Kyler Murray, um over over.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't blown away by Haskins at the combine. I didn't,

504
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Speaker 1: and I didn't know if I was going to. It

505
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Speaker 1: was a little soft body. But it doesn't bother me

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Speaker 1: a ton. I had heard that he had lost a

507
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Speaker 1: lot of weight to get into the combine in the

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Speaker 1: two thirties. I think he's a natural, bigger guy. I

509
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna play in the two four's, and that

510
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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me that much. He's clearly the polar opposite

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Speaker 1: of what we're talking about with Kyler Murray. I just think,

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, with Kyler Murray, you have a

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Speaker 1: guy who you don't have to protect him. Great you

514
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Speaker 1: want to, and you don't want him taking big hits.

515
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Speaker 1: But I think he's uniquely suited Arizona because they can't

516
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Speaker 1: block right now, and so you need somebody that can dodge,

517
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Speaker 1: dodge and duct the traffic, and that's going to be

518
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And not to mention the arm, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like the arm town, I like the explosive playability

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Speaker 1: with the arm or the legs um. I like Kyler

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Speaker 1: because he can kind of make his own. He can

522
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Speaker 1: go get his own, he can create off the dribble.

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Speaker 1: He's not I think Haskins is more of a catch

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Speaker 1: and shoot guys. We're talking about one. One is Steph Curry,

525
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Speaker 1: the others Clay Thompson. I think the difference with Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Haskins in that scenario is, Look, I've seen Tom Brady

527
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Speaker 1: and Philip Rivers have a lot of success in the

528
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Speaker 1: league and they're Doughey, not body beautiful guys, good pocket mobility.

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Speaker 1: Though they played, they played, they were thinking, and I

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Speaker 1: actually think Dwayne Happens has good pocketmobill that I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that kind of throws it off when we

532
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Speaker 1: look at him, he got the big old knee brace on.

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Speaker 1: It kind of makes him look a little clunky. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't really run it. And we're used to seeing Ohio

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Speaker 1: State when we see the buckout helmet man. For years,

536
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Speaker 1: we saw those athletes j T. Bartt run the rock,

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Speaker 1: we saw Braxton Miller run the rock, and so we're

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Speaker 1: kind of used to seeing the guy in the bucket

539
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Speaker 1: uniform run around and make plays at quarterback. But this

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Speaker 1: get through for fifty touchdowns. And I know people to

541
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Speaker 1: talk about the big ten and they really don't throw it,

542
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Speaker 1: and maybe they don't have the athletes, but he shattered

543
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees record. He's a first time starter. He looked

544
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Speaker 1: and made it offense look like we hadn't seen Ohio

545
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Speaker 1: State's offense look. And then when you talk to Ryan Day,

546
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Speaker 1: the head coach, and he's like, look, the kid is

547
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Speaker 1: super smart. He's smart as a whip on the board.

548
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Speaker 1: Did a great job of kind of growing into the

549
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Speaker 1: leader of that squad. I just think he's easy to

550
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Speaker 1: project him be in the face of the franchise. I

551
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Speaker 1: believe he needs to go to the right situation. But

552
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Speaker 1: if we always talk about we want our quarterbacks to

553
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Speaker 1: be able to deal from the pocket, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if another quarterback deals as well as Dwayne Haskins does

555
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Speaker 1: from the pocket. Yeah, no, I think that's a really

556
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Speaker 1: fair point. You know, we talked about TDK Metcalf earlier,

557
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Speaker 1: and this is my You know, you can do a pizza,

558
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Speaker 1: lasagna cake. You gotta have the right ingredients. And if

559
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Speaker 1: you don't have great, great ingredients, no matter who the

560
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Speaker 1: chef is and who the cook is, they can you

561
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Speaker 1: can make something only as good as your ingredients. When

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Speaker 1: you look at DK Metcalf, he's got all those ingredients, right,

563
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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm looking at Marquise Hollywood Brown, who we're

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Speaker 1: not talking a lot about because he's a hundred and

565
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Speaker 1: sixties some odd pounds, right. He didn't run at the

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Speaker 1: combine because he's dealing with the List franc injury. That

567
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Speaker 1: that should not um bother him come draft time. He

568
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Speaker 1: should be ready by camp. In the head to head

569
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Speaker 1: comparison here, I gotta be honest with you, I think, Holly,

570
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Speaker 1: I know Hollywood tape is better. I know the tape

571
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Speaker 1: is better. I like the tape with Metcalf, but he's

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Speaker 1: a We talked about projection versus production. I think I

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Speaker 1: kind of like the projection and production of Mark Key's

574
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. But he doesn't take those trade boxes. That's

575
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Speaker 1: the only problem. But I still think man, I still

576
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Speaker 1: think he could be another Deshan Jackson. Oh. I think

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Speaker 1: de Sean Jackson is a perfect comp for him. Um

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Speaker 1: I'm I'll admit it. I am a huge de Sean

579
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Speaker 1: Jackson fan. I believe he was one of the best

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Speaker 1: high school players that I ever saw when he played

581
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Speaker 1: at Long Beach Polly. I thought his ability to take

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Speaker 1: the top off defenses was special and unique. He was

583
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Speaker 1: an outstanding pump returner at CAL. I believe the draft

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Speaker 1: that he came out he should have been a first

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Speaker 1: round pick. Couldn't really understand why he wasn't. When I

586
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Speaker 1: look at Hollywood Brown, I see a lot of the

587
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: same stuff from Hollywood Brown. Explosive, dynamic, terrific. With the

588
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Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he can score in every level.

589
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: He can take the top off of it, he can

590
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Speaker 1: catch it um and do catching run concepts. He has

591
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Speaker 1: the ability to adjust and catch the ball very naturally.

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00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: He is everything that you look for the position. But

593
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: he's smaller, He's slender, and so you wonder in the

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Speaker 1: league that is bigger and more physical, canny hold up

595
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Speaker 1: and with standard DK Metcalf I think is an acquire

596
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Speaker 1: your taste for most teams. And the reason why is

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Speaker 1: he can be what I call a blue player if

598
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Speaker 1: you only ask him to do what he does really well.

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Speaker 1: If you take him, I think you have to think

600
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Speaker 1: of him as a bigger version of tigg In Jr.

601
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: Meaning he's gonna run to go the post to come back.

602
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask him to do a lot

603
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: of uh exotic or eccentric routes and those things because

604
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: the way that he's built. We saw his three on

605
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: time was seven to nine, seven three eight. Whatever it is,

606
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: it's not good. He's not a change of direction guy.

607
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: He is a vertical playmaker. I'm gonna ask him to

608
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: take the top off the defense, and he needs to

609
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: play along to someone who can do the dirty work.

610
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: If he's put in that role, meaning the Alvin Harper

611
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: to Michael Irvine role, He'll be fine. Can he run

612
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: those deep digs or the kind of the over routes.

613
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 1: I think he can run the over all left hand turns.

614
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Just don't ask him to make hard stops I think

615
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Speaker 1: he can do. That's really important for him more than

616
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: any other receiver probably in the draft. He has to

617
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: go to the right team, in the right offense and

618
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: be asked to do the right all. Miss had him

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Speaker 1: at X and I called it a route stick. It

620
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: went around tree. It was a stick. I mean it

621
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Speaker 1: was everything was inside the numbers to the boundary and

622
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: it was all you know, they didn't ask him to cross.

623
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Speaker 1: It was almost like there was a force fielder, do

624
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: not cross cross into these, Yeah, do not cross into these, uh,

625
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: across the hash because that's not where that's A J.

626
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: Brown's territory. And so that is also telling. And here's

627
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Speaker 1: the thing. And I'm know I'm making the case for

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Speaker 1: DK Metcal being a guy that maybe goes higher than

629
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Speaker 1: marquees Um. He will and he will go because of

630
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: the trades. But I think you can make the argument

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Speaker 1: A J. Brown is a better player. Yeah, A J.

632
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: Brown is the number one. Well, he's the product. If

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00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna say production projection, you can stay on the

634
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: same team. The production is A J. Brown for sure,

635
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: tons of it the projection. Though A J didn't play outside.

636
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Everything was from the slide big so yeah, big receiver

637
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me a little bit of Michael Thomas,

638
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be the big receiver that muscles and

639
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: overpowers those little nickel corners that are trying to put

640
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: He's not. I don't see him. But to see the

641
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: reason d K is talked about so highly is I mean,

642
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: if you miss him on the press, he's gone. He's gone.

643
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: And he's showing the ability, the catch radius thing. It's

644
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: real with him and so he go get it. He

645
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: has that BPP, has that speed when he when he

646
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: is hitting the gear, he goes past you. And um,

647
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: it comes down to how your basketball team is constructed.

648
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Me of your wide receiver corps, do you have enough

649
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: different kinds of players to enhance and elevate him? Meaning

650
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I have a route runner, I have another playmaker. He

651
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: is the guy that is gonna come in and be

652
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: my specialist. I'm a I'm gonna audible right here on

653
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: D line. We're gonna talk Quentin Williams. I think you

654
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: can talk about Quentin Williams versus Nick Boza. I'm gonna

655
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: say Josh Allen because I think this is a real

656
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a real argument at two oh, I

657
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: think so that's I'm gonna go Josh Allen because I

658
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen ahead of everyone else. Saw the Nick

659
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Bosa stands, and I like Nick Bosa, but when I

660
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: watched him, I thought, yeah, you know, he's a he's

661
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: a good player. I'm gonna put him like fourth in

662
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: this draft. What but everyone's telling you know, and this

663
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: is yeah, and the group thinks. So early on, that's

664
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: all you heard about was a group think because a

665
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa is the guy. He's number one, And I

666
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: love Nick Bosa, but I'm gonna go Josh Allen. If

667
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: it's if it's Bosa versus Allen, I'm gonna go Josh.

668
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: And I recognize this as high risk, high reward much

669
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: more so than Nick Bosa. But you know what, I

670
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: want to go get a guy who is learning how

671
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: to rush the pastor I know that you've got a

672
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: guy who already knows how, and Nick Bosa. I get that.

673
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: But Josh Allen this year was seventeen sacks in the SEC.

674
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: He learned a little move and you can see it

675
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: on tape. Somebody taught him this third step come with

676
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the inside handshop and you can always you know, it's

677
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: timed up to where they're throwing their punch right when

678
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: your hand shot home. And he just destroyed Dennis Daily.

679
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just ruined Dennis Daily. But Dennis bounced back,

680
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: he had he really bounced back great after that the

681
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: game against Kentucky. And he told me he learned a

682
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: lot from that because he got so embarrassed by that.

683
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: But long level guy who's just learning to Russian pastor,

684
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm taking him out of coverage. I understand Kentucky, he

685
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: can do it, but I'm putting them. I mean, I'm

686
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback NonStop, and I'm seeing if he

687
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: could be the next Aldon Smith. And I'm talking about

688
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: the good out and Smith stuff. Yeah I like that. Yeah,

689
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: but no, but like here's the thing, and here's what

690
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I was is Alden was a dude who could get

691
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: out in space too. Alden was a dude who could

692
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: get on spade off. Tell you I had a lower

693
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: grade on Alten because the last year Missouri he played

694
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: more inside. Yeah it wasn't hissing like a like a

695
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: five technique as opposed to standing up and coming off

696
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: the edge. But when I look at Alan, uh, the

697
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: first thing that stands up. He plays hard. Love the motor,

698
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: loved the uh, the energy that he plays with. I

699
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: like the first step quickness and explosiveness comes off to

700
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: edge and the like. When I talked to some strength

701
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: coaches at Kentucky, they said, look, man, just dude, get

702
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: a little snap to him. Super explosive athlete. He's kind

703
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: of a self made man. He has learned how to

704
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: become a dominant player. I think it shows out when

705
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: you saw him in the bowl game against Penn State. Man,

706
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: this dude didn't really have anything to play for, but

707
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: he is bringing it at a high level. He's a

708
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: terrific pass rusher. And I am still a believer and

709
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I learned this from Ozzy Newsom. Sac production matters. Now

710
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you would like to see it over a sustained period

711
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: of time. But man, when a dude gets seventeen sacks,

712
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot of production. And yet here we are

713
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: looking at Nick Bosa, and I mean pedigree, hand fighting.

714
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: He can play five, he can play he could play

715
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: wide nine, he could play five, he could play four,

716
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I he could play three. He's done it all over

717
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. He has done all of those things.

718
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: The thing about Nick Bosa that you like some of

719
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it is a little bit about the traits and the

720
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: trade that we don't talk about our technical skills. He's

721
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: a craftsman, meaning when you watch him rush to passer,

722
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: he's an artist. He's able to set up in sequences move,

723
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: he does a great job of working on the edges. Uh.

724
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: He consistently has a way of getting pressure. Now, he

725
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of sex. I think in three

726
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: years maybe ys seventeen total, like, but some of some

727
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: of that is kind of skewed because he didn't play

728
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: but three or four games this year. However, he's never

729
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: been in double digit sacks, and so we can talk

730
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: about the injury prevented him this year from being he's

731
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: never been in double digits, and so some of why

732
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: we like him is based on what we're seeing and

733
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: what we're projecting out. But we don't have a lot

734
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: of real tangible evidence because remember Draymond Jones had eight

735
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: sacks or how you staying this year? Now there's a

736
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: first year Draymond got sacks. Yes, you know and even

737
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: know he had all this thing, but I'm saying he

738
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: got sex. Sometimes you gotta be able to get to

739
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: fish in the boat if you're fish. See, I don't

740
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: think I don't think Nick Bosa I don't even call him.

741
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't call him an edge. I call him a

742
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: defensive end. And I think he's a reduced down. He's

743
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: a d N who reduces down in sub packages. He's

744
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: not going to rush off the edge because I think

745
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: where he's really most dangerous, because he's such a craftsman.

746
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: As you say, he's so instinctive that when you make

747
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: a move, he can counter without thinking about it. Right,

748
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: So I want him quickst I wanted him shortest paths

749
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, and that's gonna be Fromn's side, because

750
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: I think he could really cause a lot of problems

751
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: from the interior. Okay, I'm gonna give you a name.

752
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: How about Brandon Graham. Yeah, from the Philadelphi Eagles. Yeah,

753
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: they're not I don't think they're the same size wise,

754
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: But when you think about how Brandon has played, Brandon

755
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: has been his most effective sometimes when they kicked him

756
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: down inside and let him kind of work on that

757
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: that that guard that get into and you kind of

758
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: work on the edges and stuff. And I don't know

759
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: if Brandon has ever been a double digit sacker in

760
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the league, but he's always been very, very disruptive. So

761
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe Nick Bolsa is more like that. Um. The other

762
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: comparison I would have is another Philadelphia Eagle, maybe Chris Long.

763
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Chris Long when he came he was number two overall pick.

764
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: You always wanted him to hunt, but he was kind

765
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: of at his best when he play opposite Robert Quinn.

766
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn was the fastball. He was kind of the

767
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: change up in the knuckler on the other side, a

768
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: guy that kind of got us acts of whatever. He's

769
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: been a couple of Pro Bowls, He's been able to

770
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: make it happen. Maybe Nick Bosa falls in windows category. Yeah,

771
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: the last one. Let's go to the Devon's So I

772
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: know the thought out there is it's Devin and I

773
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: get that Devin White over Devon Bush. I'll tell you

774
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: upon first viewing of the tape, I came away liking

775
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: Bush a little bit more. Now Devin White has got

776
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the speed, he's got the explosivests, he's got the physicality.

777
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I just thought Devin Bush was a lot more instinct

778
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: than when I watched him. And there's something about and

779
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: maybe I get too wired up on instincts, but there's

780
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: something about an instinctive linebacker who's flowing to the play

781
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: before it even goes and who always is in the

782
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: right fits. And then one thing with Devin White is

783
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: now you go sideline to sideline. You're not running past

784
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: that joker because he is gonna come. He is going

785
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: to come get you. But Devin Bush can run also,

786
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: and those explosive numbers. You know. I was gonna move

787
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: him out of the first and I did from my

788
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: first mock. And then he showed up in the combine

789
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: two thirty four. I'm like, okay, I thought he's gonna

790
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: be about and in two thirty four, but he's not

791
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna run. Oh yes he is, and he's gonna jump

792
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: forty and and so I'm like what. So I want

793
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to looked at Ryan shas Here this morning, Ryan shas Here,

794
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize Ryan had this kind of workout.

795
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: He was ridiculous. It was ridiculous. Their three cone was

796
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: about the same. It was six nine. That's wide receiver

797
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: three cone. There they were in this It's basically you

798
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: you like a six six nine is what you want

799
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: your wide receivers to be in ran Chazier did that.

800
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: He did a one D thirty in broad jump. It

801
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: was one I think for Bush, their verts were basically

802
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: the same. And then you got Devin Bush running and

803
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: uh was he in the four fours? Right? So at

804
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: two thirty four, I don't I don't sweat the five eleven,

805
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't really sweat. It's not a problem. To thirty

806
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: four was a big deal. I don't know if you

807
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: got a chance to peak at his pro day clip.

808
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Some of it kind of made his way to Twitter,

809
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: but they showed him doing the dB drip where he's

810
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: flipping and turning easy. Huh looked like a safety. Yeah, Like,

811
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: he looked like a safety. And so, um, the name

812
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: of the game now a linebacker the off the ball.

813
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Linebackers have to be tremendous athletes that can hit, running cover.

814
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Um what I like about Devin Bush. Devin Bush is

815
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: an effective blitzer. Six sacks coming off to second level.

816
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: You know who else had a ton of sacks, Darius Leonard.

817
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: So the one thing that we know is the league

818
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: as a copy kat lead when people are scaring through

819
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: the tape and they see that this guy should have

820
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: been Defensive Rookie of the Year, or he did win

821
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Defensive Rokie Years, should have been a Pro bowler, and

822
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at Darrius Leonard have seven or eight sacks

823
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: from the second level. Huh. Who would the linebackers in

824
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: this class that can give me that kind of production?

825
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: Devin Bush has to be a name. UM. My fascination

826
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: with Devin White centers around not only the sideline and

827
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: sideline ability, but the leadership skills. UM. So much of

828
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: playing that position the traffic cop is being able to

829
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: direct and organize traffic, get everyone lined up in the

830
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: right spot. He can do that. Great leader, great worker,

831
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: terrific athlete. Uh. You talk about the instincts, I think

832
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: he is instinctive. Maybe he's not as instinctive as Bush,

833
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: but the plays that he makes in in space, he

834
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: reels running backs down, does a great job of corralling them.

835
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: And I didn't see a guy that missed a lot

836
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: of tackles. And for me, the guy that I want

837
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: in the pipes in between the hashes is someone that

838
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: is a sure, solid tackle who also has some thump.

839
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: Do you think that Um playing on the same team

840
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: as uh Jamal Adams helped him from a leadership standpoint.

841
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: Since Jamal is considered universally one of the great leaders,

842
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: he is I think so, but I think sometimes you

843
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: have that and I know that he has talked about

844
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: Leonard Frenette being a positive influence in Leonard fur Nette UM,

845
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: helping him learn how to work and take him undertook

846
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: him under his wing when he first got to l

847
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: s U. UM. I think there's a tremendous sense of

848
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: pride at L s U with with those guys. And

849
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: I think for Devin White, Uh, if you ask anybody there,

850
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: he was kind of the pie piper um. And when

851
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: you get multiple guys from multiple classes say that Devin

852
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: White was the unquestioned leader of that defense, speaks volumes

853
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: about what he may bring to the table, leadership or

854
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: something that Clemson had. I thought it was pretty cool

855
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: that at at the combine you you got to catch

856
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: up in separate, separate appearances with their defensive line. Excited

857
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: to have two of Clemson's finest Christian Wilkins Dexter Lawrence

858
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: joining the mood the six podcasts. You guys are coming

859
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: from a very successful program, having been to couple national titles,

860
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: want to claimed claims some trophies, UM, How is that

861
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: experience at Clemson prepared you to have success at the

862
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: next level, well, I feel like, you know, well just

863
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: first and foremost, just you know, the way Clemson helped

864
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: groom us as men first and foremost and just as people,

865
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the most important thing, definitely. And

866
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, yeah it was, you know, the program, the

867
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: coaches and guys and everybody involved and the people just

868
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: around the facility, but as the players, really, I feel

869
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: like we challenge each other a lot off the field,

870
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: just to be the best people we can be first,

871
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: and then the best athletes as well. And I just

872
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: feel like all the lessons I learned just you know,

873
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: going against the best every day and practice. You know,

874
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: I feel like like anything I ever saw in the

875
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: game and college was never better than what I saw

876
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: in practice. So I definitely feel like I'm prepared on

877
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: the football side of things. Uh, you know, I decided

878
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: to decide to see where I end up and just

879
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: to know how this process will play out. And I

880
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: think I'm definitely ready for the next level. I mean,

881
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: just to pick about what he said, I mean, going

882
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: to Clemson, I mean, that's that's kind of things you

883
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: expect to happen, you know, the girl as a man,

884
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: as a football player, and you know, just having that

885
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of support around you just to help you. You know,

886
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: the guys, you know, they're not holding your hand, but

887
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: you know they just give you advice here and there,

888
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: you know, showing the examples or what not to do

889
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: or like you know, sune y'all s was like, be

890
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: uh the example or not an example kind of deal. So,

891
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of how you you just approached

892
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: life and kind of live. So there's there's a tradition

893
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: there obviously in the D line room. Um, you guys,

894
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: not only this current collection, but there's been a lot

895
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: of guys that have kind of warned the Orange and

896
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: going on to have success in the National Football League.

897
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: What is it like to kind of carry on that

898
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: tradition and to live up to that standard that's been established.

899
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's great and you know, the like there's

900
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: no others pressure at Clemson. You know, especially when you're

901
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: on the D line, you gotta you know, not only

902
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: live up to the expectations, but exeed them. I feel like,

903
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, because of the guys before us, all of

904
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: our predecessors, you know, Grady, Shaun Williams, Josh Watson, you know,

905
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: Carlos DJ All those guys Big Beasley, Uh, you know

906
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: de Kambiras. We put so much pressure on ourselves as

907
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: men in that room. Uh, you know, just coming there,

908
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: like we gotta play to to the standard of you know,

909
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Clempson de line, but also take it to another level. Uh.

910
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like we did that as a

911
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: unit and as a group. Uh. And then with just

912
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: our hope is that the next guy's group of guys

913
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: see what we did and only you know, even you know,

914
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: keep Clempson program going in the D line. So it's

915
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because you have a unique situation with

916
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: so many guys in that room. They have an opportunity

917
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: to be the first one or the second one off

918
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: the board. How is that internal competition between you guys

919
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: when you're on the practice or how does that play?

920
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: I say that there's a lot of competition. We're pushing

921
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: each other every day. Uh you know, in practice, we're

922
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: trying to set the tune. We're trying to be the guy,

923
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, to make that first play to get the

924
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: team round. You know. You know, just I just blessed

925
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: to be in a space like that, you know, with

926
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: these guys, just you know, pushing you to be your best,

927
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, going so I mean, I want to say

928
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: all the other places, but there were we we had

929
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: to be our best every day. You know. You couldn't

930
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: take a playoff, you couldn't take a rep off, you know,

931
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: because that was that was critical. You know, you wanted

932
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: to prove that, you know, you're the man kind of deal.

933
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, were just junior in love

934
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: for each other. I know, I definitely agree. I feel like,

935
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was great because just the relationship we have.

936
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: First of all, like we weren't afraid to hold each

937
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: other kindable and get after each other and you know,

938
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: be on each other when we needed to. But also

939
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: we just competed, you know, just because it's like dang

940
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: dex is taking a double teams making attack. I'm like, damn, okay,

941
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: now i gotta do something. Now, I gotta make it work.

942
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Please coming off the edge fast as good and go

943
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Now Austin, It's like all right, now I gotta get

944
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: my shine, Like now I gotta do my thing. Like

945
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're like, you know, you don't want to

946
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: be that dude left out or not doing their job.

947
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: So like you know, there's always that pressure, there's always

948
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: that good competition, and it's the best because you know,

949
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: I feel like about it, the best of all of

950
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: us for sure. So you guys have one of the

951
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: best environments to play at home. Game man, everyone talks

952
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: to show you know, you have the judition where you

953
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: rubbed the rock and then you come down the hill.

954
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to kind of take you back

955
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: to that stadium. I want you to just kind of

956
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: picture this. Um, you come around the bus, take you around,

957
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: you goot to come down the hill with you. Look

958
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: down the hill and there's someone at the bottom of

959
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: the hill waving you down, saying down he can't get

960
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: this tail kicking. How do you feel about that? Because

961
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: as a young man, yeah, I might have been one

962
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: of those guys that may have done right right right. Well, well,

963
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: I think you wouldn't have been a smart young guy

964
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: because you know, the teams mostly non times I've attended

965
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: teams and people who have done that getting them getting there,

966
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: but you know, to take us on every time, you know.

967
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: So I mean, as long as I've been there, no

968
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: one ever did that. They knew better, you know, and

969
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: you know we didn't lose them any home game. We

970
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: all just one home game when I was there, So

971
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you don't want that problem. I can

972
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: say that I learned my lesson because you're waving down

973
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: to here when I was in North Carolina. What happened

974
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the score? There was a lot too. There was a

975
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: lot too. A little bit just lost the weight for us,

976
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: and so we felt like they were ready. Now I

977
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: will say Brian Dawkins played the next year. Brian and Dexon.

978
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: They came to chapel and we took care of business

979
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: like we should have. But it's just one of those things.

980
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: I just wondered if you got if you actually see

981
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: someone wave you down, like how change? So hey, look,

982
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: thanks so much for you guys joining the Modest Podcast,

983
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: Best of luck going forward. We were looking forward to

984
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: hearing your name's called on drafting. We're happy to have

985
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: two of Clemson's finest, finest athletes on the d line

986
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: joining the Mood the six Podcast. Cleveland Farrell, Austin Ron.

987
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: How are you doing? Doing good? Doing good? It feels

988
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: good to be a national champion. I'm doing great, definitely. Man.

989
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Good to be here, blessed to be here. Well, you

990
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: guys are part of a powerhouse now, I guess Clemson

991
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: is the powerhouse in college football based on the success

992
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: that you guys had doing your careers. Talk a little

993
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: bit about the Clemson experience. What is going on wise Clemson.

994
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: It's a special place right now. Oh, Man, I feel

995
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: like I feel like Clempson is where is where uh

996
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: college recruiting needs to be, not where they so much

997
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: want to be. You know you're gonna have a great time,

998
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: but if you want to go somewhere where your growth

999
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: is going to be the biggest thing, and you want

1000
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: to grow as a player man and be challenged and

1001
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: held accountable um and also have a chance to win

1002
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: championships like everybody wants to do. I feel like Clemson

1003
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: is top from top to bottom, the best school forward

1004
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: man for real. Yeah, just echoing a lot of what

1005
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Cleveland said. Man, I went to Clemson and definitely became

1006
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: a man. I grew more so off the field and

1007
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: I did on the field. Clemson is definitely a place

1008
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: for kids that you know, have the right traits to

1009
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: be a great human being, to be a great person

1010
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: in life, and to be honest, Clemson nurtures that and

1011
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: makes it even better. So the person that I was

1012
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: when I first walked on campus and the person that

1013
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: I was when I walked out two totally different people,

1014
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: more mature and just became a complete man. You're one

1015
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: of the things that Clemson has always been able to attract.

1016
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: It's been defensive linemen. There's a long story tradition of

1017
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: is that play upfront not only having success in college

1018
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: but going on to the league. Um, what is it

1019
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: about the tradition and upholding that standard that is being

1020
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: created by your predecessors? Oh man, you know, I feel

1021
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: like it goes back to when uh Me and him

1022
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: re freshman and Shack and Kevin died where you know

1023
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: the too, the two guys that was up next and

1024
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: they had a great season, And it's like, you know,

1025
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: when you're the next person or the next group of

1026
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: guys are supposed to step in and uphold that legacy

1027
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: and uphold that standard that we have a Clemson. It's

1028
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: like it only takes your work, I think, your mindset,

1029
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: and it really excites you that you get your opportunity

1030
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: to do that do those things. So it's a blessing

1031
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: to go to a school where you come from a

1032
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: great you know, football DNA and d line DNA, but

1033
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: you really have to push put the work in and

1034
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: really become the players you want to be and uphold

1035
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: your own legacy. Yeah, definitely, Man, the line is a

1036
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: great position at Clemson, and it's definitely a position that,

1037
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: like Cleveland said, has been great there. I have to

1038
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: they have done everything that we want to do in

1039
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: the future. Um, and I think for us, when we

1040
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: were young guys, like he said, we've seen Shack, We've

1041
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: seen Kevin Dodd do it, so for us, we didn't

1042
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: want to let anybody down. So that really just fuel

1043
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: how hard we work in the determination we had to

1044
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: be great as a whole and eventually grow into a

1045
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: leadership role and bringing the young guys along too. So

1046
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it so special is that

1047
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the older guys that it's their time, they pulled the

1048
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: younger guys along, so when it's finally their time, you know,

1049
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: that cycle just keeps going. I mean, obviously, you guys,

1050
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: we can talk about the guys before you, but at

1051
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: the current moment, like you guys had four guys that

1052
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: are gonna have an opportunity playing in the National Football League.

1053
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: What was the competition like in that d line room.

1054
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: Oh man, it only made us better. But I feel

1055
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: like the best thing about it, and and things that

1056
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't really take value with is that, um,

1057
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: we were close before we stepped on the field together. Um,

1058
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: So that was something that really really made us better.

1059
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 1: When you when we wanted for each other, we wanted

1060
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Man, we could push each other the limits

1061
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: that I couldn't really explain to you, you know what

1062
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean. So it was a blessing to play with

1063
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: these guys. Like you said, we had to fight for

1064
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: players out there because I got him and Christian and

1065
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: Decks really out there balling, doing anything. So I'm trying

1066
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: to fight for, you know, just to have my own

1067
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: type of impact on the game. So it was huge, man,

1068
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: And come from a great tradition. I'm happy that we

1069
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of set our own legacy and I feel like

1070
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: we're the best group to ever do it at Clemson

1071
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: or in the history of college football. So it was

1072
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: a blessing. Yeah, definitely, man. And I feel like what

1073
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: sets us apart is we're just as great people as

1074
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: we are players, and I think that's a combination that

1075
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: you don't find very often. That whatever program. You go

1076
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: to all along the defense in line and to correction,

1077
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: we got five D line and that's about to get drafted.

1078
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: So Albert Huggins too. Um. But that's just a testament

1079
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: to the people that Coach Swinney brings into the program

1080
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: that really just keeps the cycle going. Um. Great athletes

1081
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: as well. You know Coachweney, you know, like people really

1082
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: talking about like coaching and kind of making his way

1083
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: to the top. But what ain from you guys is

1084
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: how he's really a nice leader of men and how

1085
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 1: he really nurtures the program. Talk a little bit about

1086
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: Coach Sweeney and the impact that he's had on both

1087
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: of you guys individually and collectively. Man, I love I

1088
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: love the culture that he brought the Clemson Man. It's

1089
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: like you said, he's a leader of men. So his

1090
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: whole program is player led. So he puts it in

1091
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: our hands to to to to take the program as

1092
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: far as we want to go. Not many coaches do that.

1093
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: Many coaches want to you know, being on top of

1094
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: every single thing and forced the players to to be great,

1095
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: But he really just challenges us to do those things

1096
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: on our own. And that's what I feel like made

1097
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: us grow so well just as far as people men

1098
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: and players man, because he really puts it in the

1099
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: players hands. Like we had this thing called the Sweeney

1100
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Council where he asks as for our opinions not just

1101
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: about how we're playing, but about how the program is

1102
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: being ran, how's the food, how's it the treatment going,

1103
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: how how the coach is treating us different things like that,

1104
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: And that's something where he values our opinion you know,

1105
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: as men and spiritually as well. He he opens that

1106
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: door for us to grow there as well. So it's

1107
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: a blessing to have a man like that, you know,

1108
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: represent our school for sure. Yeah, same thing, man. I

1109
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing that coach Sweeney uh figured out

1110
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: is that you know that the most important resource in

1111
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: college football is the people that making happen, and that's

1112
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: the players. Like Cleveland said, we're a player driven program. Uh.

1113
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: So he gives us as much opinion, you know as

1114
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: we can give um to make the program better and

1115
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: to make it better for those coming behind us. And uh,

1116
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: like I said, bringing in the right people in the

1117
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: program that's gonna permeate the correct culture that you need

1118
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: to not only just be a powerhouse football team, but

1119
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: to also have that family environment where players want to

1120
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: come there, they sent something different whenever they're Clemson rather

1121
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: than any other school in the country. Well man, We're

1122
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: excited to continue to see you guys take the next

1123
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: step on your football journey. Excited to hear all your

1124
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: names on draft night, Excited to see what you guys

1125
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: are able to do as NFL players and beyond. Thanks

1126
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: so much for joining the mood the six podcasts. Thank

1127
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: you so much, cool Lands. The one thing I will

1128
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: tell you about interviewing all of these guys tremendous amount

1129
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: of pride um and upholding the tradition that's been established

1130
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: with that that Clemson Tiger d line. You go all

1131
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: the way back. I mean they've had a number of

1132
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: guys that have gone to the pros back when as

1133
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: and Chester Mclockton and those guys were there even before then. Like, uh, look,

1134
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: they on it. They can there. I mean, there there's

1135
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: a chance. But I think the competition that they had

1136
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: in the room, uh, those guys kind of uh battling

1137
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: out not only for their own set of shine, but

1138
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: for the room to be elevating the kind of upholder tradition.

1139
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: I think that plays out well. Um, I do believe

1140
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: two guys for sure, I think making in the first

1141
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: round Ferrell and Wilkins. I think Dexter Lawrence is a

1142
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: little on the line just because of the nature of

1143
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: the nose tackle position. We have seen in recent years

1144
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: guys that we expected to be first round picks Ashan Robinson,

1145
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: Jaren Reid, Guys that were more people movers, run stuffers.

1146
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: They can kind of fall um on draft day, just

1147
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: because there's such a entrigue and a fascination with the rushers.

1148
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: I believe he's on that borderline, even though I think

1149
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: he can do more than just be a pocket pusher

1150
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: inside that man, He's the hardest one for me to

1151
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: place right now, Max, because I look where darn pain

1152
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: of Vida Vey went last year, and I'm like, but

1153
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: they still went there, and I'm looking at you know,

1154
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at now. I think Dexter Lawrence is

1155
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna end up in the first because he ran some

1156
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: freaky the freaky forty and he didn't you know, he

1157
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: pulled up with the leg injury. The tape he stays,

1158
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: he just he's a straight down the metal rusher. But

1159
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: you know who else was that way Geron Reid. Reid

1160
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: fell out the first and then all of a sudden

1161
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: he showed out this year as a pass rusher. And

1162
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: so I think the question becomes, you got a guy

1163
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: with rare size, rare athletic ability and Lawrence, can you

1164
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: coach up the pass rush because if you can't, then

1165
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: those guys are falling into the into the I know

1166
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: everyone wants to put him in the first, but those

1167
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: kind of guys are falling out. History tells us. But

1168
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: if you say, you know what, we think we can

1169
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: get him to the edge more he's up the middle

1170
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: all the time. We think we can really focus on

1171
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: getting him to a guy's edge. And if that's the

1172
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: case at three forty, with that kind of quickness, I mean,

1173
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: that's why I think he's gonna end up maybe a

1174
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: place like Tennessee Titans next to Darrell Casey. What they say,

1175
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: let's go get him, Let's let's go get pocket pushed,

1176
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: because we got a guy that we gotta make uncomfortable.

1177
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck because the Colts look like they might be back,

1178
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: and then they might be back, and for Dexter, Dexter's

1179
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: workouts would be important because he has to show people

1180
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: that he has a solid base when it comes to

1181
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: rushing the past and being able to get after it.

1182
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: Are you bothered at all by Wilkins? You know? The

1183
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: one thing with Wilkins that concerns me a little. He's very,

1184
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: very disruptive, but he has there's a lot of plussers

1185
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: I put and there's a lot of minuses. Yeah, a

1186
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: lot of up and down, a lot of up and

1187
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: down tape. You know. I wonder for Wilkins. I think

1188
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: his position is gonna be really really important. I viewed

1189
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: him as a guy that could play kind of anywhere

1190
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: along that that D line. He could play. I thought

1191
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: a base defensive end. He could come down inside and

1192
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: play either. That's interesting, and he's done that before in

1193
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: the base end. Yeah. I don't know if he likes

1194
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: that fire inside as a three technique, right. I think

1195
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: that life is a little different when you get in

1196
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: double team. You've got multiple bodies leaning on you. But

1197
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: I think if you have an opportunity to put him

1198
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: at base in and let him do some things because

1199
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: he is athletic, he does make some plays in. He

1200
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: may not be uh your steak at Ruth Chris, but

1201
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I think he can't be some sweet potatoes. I think

1202
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: he can be that can kind of get you some production.

1203
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want him as your number one,

1204
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: but as part of that rotation on the front line,

1205
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: that can maybe get some secks. I think he's in

1206
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: the man. He's gotta be a one guy like up

1207
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: the field. So let's get going. Like, I don't think

1208
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: like it's funny you talking about d Lemon. I don't

1209
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: think he's kind of like a glass mash you where

1210
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of tough, Like, hey, I want to kind

1211
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: of take on all these bodies. I think you want

1212
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: to play on edge. He wants to dance around they

1213
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: and make plays. If if they if the Cowboys hadn't

1214
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: traded for um a mar and they had a first

1215
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: he would have fit Rod Marinelli perfectly, especially with Irving Gone,

1216
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: Like that's a Rod Marinellie type of guy up the

1217
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: up field, play hard, play on the other side of

1218
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: the other two guys just quickly. Austin Bryant, he's still

1219
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point he's gotta work out that's

1220
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: gonna be the problem. And they tell me, man, those

1221
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: guys were carrying his water. Hey, man, don't forget about

1222
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: Austin Bryan. Austin Bryant can play, okay, all right, yeah,

1223
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: really really positive. They think he's another guy that should

1224
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: be um a pick, should be a guy it Maybe

1225
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: he's in mid rounds with him. Yeah, I can see that.

1226
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's big, he's long. I just he

1227
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: just what to me, he wasn't the same level player

1228
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: did the other thing, but cleanling Farrell. I don't see

1229
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of juice off the edge. But you know,

1230
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: and what was shocking to me, I don't is this

1231
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: a misprint his arms or thirty two and a quarter

1232
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: what look at thirty five inch ars? But then his

1233
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: wingspan was eight inches. That doesn't make sense that he

1234
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: must have the broadest back in the history of football.

1235
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you having thirty two? It's so funny. Um.

1236
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's an interesting one to evaluate because you

1237
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: see the first step quickness. Um, he's not real what

1238
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: we call bendy like. He doesn't necessarily dipping, rip and

1239
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of run to hump, run to hoop to get

1240
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. But there are times when he is

1241
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: ready to go that he can wear. Um. No one

1242
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: wears a bad offensivettack out worse than he does because

1243
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: he will get past him. He does a good job

1244
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: of getting their hands off and he kind of turned

1245
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: the corner. Let me ask you, a guy. This is

1246
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to figure out where I put him.

1247
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I didn't love Frank

1248
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: Clark when I watched Frank Clark, and I missed him.

1249
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if I'm if there's any chance I'm

1250
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: missing Cleveland Farrell at all because I don't love I

1251
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's fine. It's fine, but I

1252
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: don't see that juice as a rusher. But he did.

1253
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: But there are times like Jonah Williams. He gave Jonah

1254
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: the Blues and I gave Jonas some business, he gave work.

1255
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: And the thing is, he gave Jonah so much work

1256
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: that you got people talking about a Jonah you might

1257
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: not be cut out for living on the island. And

1258
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: so I was one of those people. I was like,

1259
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe I need to slide him inside them and so

1260
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: and so those that tape makes it hard for people

1261
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: because if we say that Alabama is the standard, that

1262
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: is the standard for the way that we play. And

1263
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: he dominated that game, he was arguably the most dominant

1264
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: defensive player. But no workout yet for him. Does that

1265
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: bother you at all? I mean it doesn't. It does

1266
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: a little bit like you want to see him work out,

1267
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Speaker 1: you want se him, you want get some measurement. Was

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Speaker 1: this a new day because some guys are like working out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get to tape. Look at the tape. We're seeing

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Speaker 1: that more and more. And by the way, guys speaking

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Speaker 1: of tape and being very athletic, We're gonna close here

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Speaker 1: with a little march madness. Just Zion Williamson. I know

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Speaker 1: it's probably Bucky doesn't want to address what happened in

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Speaker 1: the Carolina Duke games at one point one. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure why Kobe White settling for a twenty five ft

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Speaker 1: off balance jumper when he can drive into the lane.

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Speaker 1: But that's a conversation for another time. But Zion Williamson

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Speaker 1: if he was, let's say hypothetically eligible for the NFL

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Speaker 1: draft this year and said, I'm going in Jimmy Graham

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Speaker 1: Antonio Gates route, where would he be drafted? Would he

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Speaker 1: be a tackle? Would he be a tight end? Where

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Speaker 1: you slim him down. He's six to eighty five is

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Speaker 1: what he's listed. Where would Zion Williamson hypothetically fit into

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Speaker 1: this draft if he was there on the board? One position, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta play me tight end. Yeah, I gotta play

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Speaker 1: me tight end. And based on what um we saw

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Speaker 1: Antonio Gates too, I would like to think he's more

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Speaker 1: athletic than Gates. But he's one of the best athletes

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And that weight and that explosiveness and

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Speaker 1: his first step quickness, his his bounce, his ability to

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Speaker 1: execute multiple jumps in a sequence. He's terrific. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just based on the athleticism. Talking about bottom of the

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Speaker 1: first round, Yeah, that's not even a joke. And I

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Speaker 1: went to school with Jimmy Graham and saw him played basketball.

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Speaker 1: He was nowhere the athlete that Zion was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like this, this dude is a rare specimen. Outside. You

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Speaker 1: don't see guys that big, and we're seeing a guy

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Speaker 1: that's not in shape dominate. Like I watched the game

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Speaker 1: because there was Saturday or Friday night, Friday night, Friday night,

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Speaker 1: the semifinals, and I'm like, this dude is the best

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Speaker 1: guy on the floor. And they were like the fact

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Speaker 1: that there's some debate about him being the number one

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Speaker 1: picking NBA draftedulous, like, but I talked to people. They

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, you know, it depends on who text.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, And he can also block shots

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Speaker 1: from like eight feet away, I mean R J. Barrett

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Speaker 1: camera and they look man, they they look small in

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Speaker 1: comparison in terms of like their games. Zion has a

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Speaker 1: knack for the big stage. So for me, I'll take

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Speaker 1: him at the bottom of the first round. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a tight end. I think the Patriot post to

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Speaker 1: post up. He's a Patriot man. You think Belichick could

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Speaker 1: be able to would take him in one second, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to find a way to utilize. You

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Speaker 1: got a big old behind. He could post up those

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Speaker 1: linebackers down in the red zone. We already see J

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Speaker 1: J R R Seega white side as I have you pronounced.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's already posting p He's got some of

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Speaker 1: the best post up games and all the Cougey Butler Butler,

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna take a guy with like who's

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Speaker 1: two eight five, Oh man, I mean, if you can

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Speaker 1: just chance in a red if you can take a

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Speaker 1: hit like no brainer, and that's always everyone just assumes

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Speaker 1: all he could do it. Hey, it's a different Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a different life different. He's like the first player

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Speaker 1: that I know, and I'm the same way I grew

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Speaker 1: up not liking Duke. He's probably the first Duke player.

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Speaker 1: And you see a lot of people on Twitter saying

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Speaker 1: this that a lot of fans are rooting for even

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Speaker 1: if they don't like Duke because he's that fun to

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Speaker 1: watch Lebron again. Yeah, we want to see him play six.

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Speaker 1: You don't see guys look like. In fact, I had

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Speaker 1: this comparison before Lebron. He kind of reminds me a

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Speaker 1: little bit of Larry Johnson. With Larry Johnson, I thought

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Speaker 1: he was LJ or you could even say um young Charles,

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Speaker 1: because Charles was like at six six was a force.

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Speaker 1: But man, I watched Larry Johnson um and a slam

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Speaker 1: dunk contest against le Bradford Smith back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I mean they went at it. But Larry

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Speaker 1: Johnson was just such a force from high school and

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Speaker 1: the JUCO into UNLV and he was one of those

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Speaker 1: guys Grandmama's six seven. It was same same side like

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Speaker 1: he was two sixty five. He was a brick dude

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Speaker 1: and could leap, So that's actually a really good comparison

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Speaker 1: to I like it, man, I like it last I

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