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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Buck Brief. Jeff Tigus is

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Speaker 2: with us now. He is of the Special Operations Community

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Speaker 2: for a couple of decades, a guy who saw a

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Speaker 3: He is now retired.

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Speaker 2: And just got back from Israel where he had tremendous

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Speaker 2: access to Prime Minister Benjamin Nett. Yahoo top is really

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Speaker 2: defense officials got out and went into Gaza and he's

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Speaker 2: going to talk to us about the situation on the

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Speaker 2: ground over there right now, as there's more activity up

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Speaker 2: north with Hesbola. Jeff, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. Buck really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So we know that the Israelis pulled off a pretty

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Speaker 2: astonishing operation with the exploding pagers and radios, wounding a

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Speaker 2: couple of thousand terrorists. Now there are concerns that first

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Speaker 2: of all, were being told that Hesbela was about to

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Speaker 2: launch an offensive before the Israelis did that. That was

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Speaker 2: a Hesbela counter strike. How do you see that likely

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Speaker 2: playing out, what's the threat level and what do you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple different things. I think some unique angles

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Speaker 1: to look at this buck and one of those is

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Speaker 1: recognizing and people figured out pretty quick those pagers had

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Speaker 1: been rigged a long time ago. These targets have been

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Speaker 1: designated within hes Blah a long time ago. Israel has

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Speaker 1: been tracking the movements of Hamas within Gaza. They've been

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Speaker 1: they prioritized was hes Blah. So they were caught a

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Speaker 1: little bit with their pants down with Hamas, but their

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Speaker 1: more existential threat is from the north with Hesbla. So

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Speaker 1: people need to understand and recognize. Even though it appears

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Speaker 1: to many of us like this war has just begun,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't. These pieces have been getting put into place

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Speaker 1: the things that I'm really proud about is the involvement

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Speaker 1: They didn't have the intelligence that they needed, so they

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Speaker 1: appreciate that and also recognize when you talk about that

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Speaker 1: it should be easy for Ugwin to understand who's intellectually

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Speaker 1: And they have absolutely obliterated the leadership of the Rodwan brigades,

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Speaker 1: Hesbelah can rattle their swords, Iran can rattle their swords.

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Speaker 1: I personally don't believe that there will be a level

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Speaker 1: one because of the precision of the attacks that Israel

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Speaker 2: The updates this morning from York Times were Israel and

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Speaker 3: I mean, they could bring up.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, bring up more of their own heavier

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Speaker 2: weaponry and military force in the south. In Gaza, how

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Speaker 3: What was that? What was that?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: I mean what tell I mean, I know you've been

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Speaker 1: The only way, the only thing I can compare to

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Speaker 1: When Hamas attacked out of Gaza. Their priority was to

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Speaker 1: Then their next phase was to get the displaced persons

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Speaker 1: So net Yahoo has been telling us exactly what his

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Speaker 1: I think, even though I haven't been on the ground

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff, you've been a part of US military

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Speaker 3: What's the environment.

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Speaker 2: Like when when when the equivalent of an Israeli Tier

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Speaker 2: As as they have not enough of the hostages tragically

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Speaker 2: hostile lines? Each doorway is possibly you know, somebody in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when when you are dealing with Israel and the

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Speaker 1: A special ops guy, this is what they do right,

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Speaker 1: They're ready and they're prepared at all times to get

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Speaker 1: We're not seeing that learning curve they learned back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six how they need to defeat Hezbolah

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Speaker 1: asking for hez blood return back beyond the Latani River,

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Speaker 1: But Hezbolah has been bulking on.

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Speaker 2: How much more advanced are the forces that Hesbolah CA

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Speaker 2: have Iranian IRGC coods force trainers, right. I mean they've

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Speaker 2: hesbela significantly more advanced. I know Hesbela has significantly more

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Speaker 1: Two things that I want to comment on that real quickly,

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Speaker 1: buck One is these are terror armies. We talk of

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Speaker 1: Hezbelah is a terror group. Again, America is familiar with

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Speaker 1: terror army. Hezbolah has always been a terror army. We've

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Speaker 1: continues to do is decimate that leadership. So the combat

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Speaker 1: it's they're sophisticated and they've got a combined arms maneuver.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I always fall back

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Speaker 1: to is what's the motivation. Shockingly, we saw them motivation

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Speaker 1: fed in Gaza, They're still indoctrinated with that. But Lebanon

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Speaker 1: What is their motivation? We hate Israel, we hate the Jews,

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Speaker 1: whereas the Israelis have an existential threat looming above them

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Speaker 2: This time they fired first, meaning that they didn't allow

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Speaker 2: and now it's something else. I forget what Constellus is

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Speaker 3: Some new name.

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Speaker 2: I don't even I don't know what the new name is.

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Speaker 3: How do you view this? Basically?

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Speaker 2: You know, you've had to keep high value target good

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Speaker 1: It needs to become prioritized, and they need to relook

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Speaker 1: with Hesbela. They killed Ibraham Akiel for us right. He

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Speaker 1: it wasn't prioritized. We weren't really looking for him. He

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Speaker 1: long to get bin laden Because it wasn't prioritized. He

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to threaten them with privatizing it, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it something that let's say that the

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Speaker 2: would you just bring in, like, what kind of a

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Speaker 3: Would it be a bunch.

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Speaker 2: Of former Tier one guys like you who have seen

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Speaker 3: And so have that experience. Would you also mix in.

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Speaker 2: Some people with more local law enforcement, you know, swat

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Speaker 3: Do you think if you had to pull it together?

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Speaker 2: Because I mean, I know that if Trump does get

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Speaker 2: elected I've been hearing Jeff, I'll tell you that there

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Speaker 2: which is what we certainly saw during the War on Terror.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just you know, give me a sketch, and

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Speaker 1: I think you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 1: You have to go straight to the professionals who used

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Speaker 1: You know, people that are are in Tier one. There's

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Speaker 1: We know who has the right personality to not get

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And if that's not what they're using,

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Speaker 1: What is it of an intel analyst? What is of

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Speaker 1: someone on a protection detail? So if they don't have

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Speaker 2: I think Trump's gonna win this one.

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Speaker 1: Man. I have no idea, you know, and I never

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Speaker 1: the thing, Buck, I don't think I shared this with

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Speaker 1: PM net Yahoo. There were three things on his wall.

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Speaker 1: Did I mention this year before?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: One of them was a giant map of Gaza. A

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Speaker 1: Next to that, it was two framed documents where President

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Speaker 1: Are is the fact that Trump recognized Jerusalem and moved

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Speaker 1: the embassy there really an equivalent to Truman recognizing Israel

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Speaker 1: as a sovereign state? And Buck, the answer is yes,

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Speaker 1: those are things if you like Donald Trump or you

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Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump, and we get we get way too

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Speaker 1: bogged down with personalities, right. We're comparing one personality against another,

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Speaker 1: not policies. And we've seen the policies from the Biden

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Speaker 1: we've seen the policies of Trump, and when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Israel, it is unequivocal. They are absolutely terrified of

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Speaker 1: I fear that they're going to end up going it

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Speaker 2: Jeff Tig's always a pleasure to have you on. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. Thank you for your service and your expertise.

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Speaker 2: As always, we'll talk against soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks about God bless you