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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Ben and Khalil. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: our usual episode next week, but in the meantime, we

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Speaker 1: wanted to share with you a new show from Pushkin.

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Speaker 1: We think you're really going to enjoy it. It's called

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Speaker 1: Started from the Bottom. Host Justin Richmond interviews people with

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Speaker 1: humble origins who managed to scale the summit of success,

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Speaker 1: people who grew up on the outside, people of color,

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Speaker 1: people who weren't part of the old boys network. Justin

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Speaker 1: was the first in his family to graduate college, and

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Speaker 1: he found himself at the beginning of his career looking

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Speaker 1: for someone to guide him towards success. So he started

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Speaker 1: asking black men and women at the top of their

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Speaker 1: game what they did for a living and how they

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Speaker 1: beat the odds while also beating away the feeling of

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Speaker 1: being an impostor. Justin recently sat down with media firebrand

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God. Over a twenty five year career, Charlemagne

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Speaker 1: has out his way to the top of the radio industry.

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Speaker 1: Justin asked the longtime host of The Breakfast Club, what

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Speaker 1: it took for him, a young man suffering from anxiety

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Speaker 1: constantly in and out of jail, to become an icon

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Speaker 1: of modern Media. We hope you enjoy Justin's talk with

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Speaker 1: Charlottayne as much as we did. If you do, you

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Speaker 1: can hear more from Started from the Bottom wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts Pushkin. For me growing up, it was oh, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's the time join the morning show because you know,

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Speaker 1: my mom was a school teacher, so we was up

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Speaker 1: And then you know, Z ninety three played such a

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Speaker 1: big role in my life because you know, their original

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Speaker 1: morning show that I remember was The Breakfast Club, Baby

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Speaker 1: Jay and Tessa Tessa Spencer. My guest today is someone

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Speaker 1: I've wanted to interview for a long time because of

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Speaker 1: what he's meant over the last decade to the culture,

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Speaker 1: black culture, hip hop culture, internet culture, youth culture, all

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Speaker 1: the cultures, you name it. But if I'm being completely honest,

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Speaker 1: the real reason I wanted to sit down and talk

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Speaker 1: to Charlemagne the God is to see if some of

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Speaker 1: his confidence can run off on me. Most of my career,

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Speaker 1: I've been terrified to bring my full self to work

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Speaker 1: be enough. I don't know, I'm working through it with

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Speaker 1: he seems to not care at all about being rejected

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Speaker 1: by his peers, his co workers, his audience, anyone. And

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Speaker 1: that confidence has led to some of the most impactful

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Speaker 1: all time, The Breakfast Club, Charlemagne made time to sit

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Speaker 1: of this, plus his upbringing, parenting, and the criticisms that

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Speaker 1: from the bottom, harder and success stories from people like us.

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Speaker 1: First time I ever saw you was it was you

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Speaker 1: on the Wendy Williams radio show going toe to toe

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Dice Club. Yeah. Yeah, that was like two

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like Andrew kind of put

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Speaker 1: calling them a fat fans. That's all right, looking back,

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Speaker 1: was thirteen fourteen now me, I definitely needed it because

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Speaker 1: and like we all want camaraderie, we all want family,

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Speaker 1: So it's a lot of people pleasing that goals and age,

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Speaker 1: think that a lot of that. Man. That's because you

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Speaker 1: whatever's gonna keep me here yea. And of course when

428
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: you think radio, you think on air personalities. You're not

429
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: thinking promotions or programming or anything like that. So hell yeah,

430
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to be on air. Now I can really

431
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: say I work here and now I'm a personality. And yeah,

432
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: I really loved it and appreciate it. How was that

433
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: first show that you had? I was scaring all the

434
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,719
Speaker 1: church folks because it was what they had me do.

435
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: They had me to do something called voice track, And

436
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: when your voice track is when you record your voice,

437
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: and you got to record your voice, and you know,

438
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's a time slot from like eleven to three,

439
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: so you're talking like three or four times an hour

440
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: and introducing songs, time temperature, stuff like that. So I

441
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: didn't know how to do radio, you know, I really didn't.

442
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: So I was just going in there talking like yeah

443
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually screaming. When I go back

444
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: and listening to my old voice tapes, I was screaming.

445
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they all were telling me I

446
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: was screaming, Like I'm not screaming. I was just I

447
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: was just old you, I don't understand how we talk about.

448
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: I was really yelling like ninety three jams R and

449
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: being hip hop. My go by the name is Charlemagne Gods.

450
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: I was yelling, like screaming at people and so like,

451
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I finally started listening to the people

452
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 1: who actually do this for a living, I started to

453
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: acquire a more conversational tone. You know, when in the beginning,

454
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: I was just yelling, like yelling, like literally yelling at

455
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: people on the radio, and That's what I was doing.

456
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: And I did that. I think I might have voice

457
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: tracked a few Sundays, and then Ron was like, all right,

458
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: enough of that. You're gonna have your voice track on

459
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: Saturday nights now seven to ten, and then you're gonna

460
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: go live from ten to midnight. And I was everything

461
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: because it's Saturday nights so I can have this high energy.

462
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: But then when we go live or I could take

463
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: phone calls, now it was like I'm taking phone calls

464
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: and I'm working with people when they're calling then making

465
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: jokes blah blah. So it's just like for me, the

466
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to me was I didn't

467
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: know how to do radio. Nobody taught me how to

468
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: do radio. I wasn't a person who came from, you know,

469
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: doing college radio or nowadays you can have a podcast

470
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: or a YouTube page. I was just fresh off the

471
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: dirt road in Monks Corner, South Carolina, getting on the

472
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: air in Charleston, South Carolina, on the biggest radio station

473
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: at the time, ninety three, and that rawdness showed. I

474
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 1: sounded different than everybody else because I didn't have that announcer,

475
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, background. So it worked for me. Yeah, you

476
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't have the announcer broadcast, yeah or whatever. Was just

477
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: coming at it with your own angles. What was your

478
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: journey after that? After z SO, I worked as an

479
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: intern in ninety eight, started there in ninety nine from

480
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: the promotions department to um being on there, and then

481
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: a news station came into market, Hot ninety eight nine,

482
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: much smaller station ran by a guy named my Man.

483
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: George Cook was the program director. I was doing part

484
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: time at z SO. I had some conversations with Hot

485
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: ninety eight nine. They wanted me to come over there

486
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: and do nights They wanted me to do Monday through Saturday,

487
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: seven to midnight full time, and I was I think

488
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: the pay was like nineteen grand a year, and at

489
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: the time, that was a lot of money, and it

490
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: was a salary. So just to be able to say,

491
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: first time on salary that I didn't go to college,

492
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I graduated from night school,

493
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: and like, so I didn't just oh I got a salary, now,

494
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: like how much I'm making an hour? Like yeah, I'm

495
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: just happy to be making nineteen grand a year Like

496
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: that sounded like some shit, And so yeah, I started

497
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: working there every night and it wasn't even about to check.

498
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: It was about the opportunity to be on every night.

499
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: And my man, George cook Man, who's still a great

500
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: mentor to me to this day. He actually, George is

501
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: not only the first person to give me a full

502
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: time position on radio, he told me some information that

503
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: just changed my whole life. And the information was, I

504
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: want you to have a morning show at night. I

505
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: want you to treat this night show that you have

506
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: like a morning show at night. Parody songs and a

507
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: lot of sketches and a lot of topics and a

508
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of interaction with listeners via the phone, and you know,

509
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: playing new music, and all of that benefited me so

510
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: well in the future because that's what I ultimately treated

511
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: every single show like. I treated every single show like

512
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: it was a morning show. So no matter where I

513
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: went from High ninety eighty nine to the Big DM

514
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: in Columbia, then it was Hot one of three nine

515
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: in Columbia, then it was Wendy Williams Show, then it

516
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: was my own morning show in Philly. By the time

517
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: I got to my own morning show in Philly, I

518
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: had approached every single one of those situations like it

519
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: was a morning show. So by the time I was

520
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: ready to do my own morning show, I was overprepared. Yeah,

521
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, so it was he planned to see early

522
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: on on that basically stuck with me throughout my whole

523
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: career and ultimately led to me being the morning guy

524
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: I am. Now let me come back. You'll get a

525
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: chance to hear what Charlemagne learned from the legendary radio

526
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: host Wendy Williams and lessons he had to teach himself

527
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: to achieve success. Tell me about meeting Wendy Williams, man Man,

528
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I met Wendy because I was doing radio in Columbia,

529
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Columbia had a really dope station called Hot

530
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: one three nine. So Hot one with three nine started

531
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: syndicating Wendy Williams in the afternoons, and so Wendy and

532
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: her husband would come down for station visits, like they

533
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: would come down and like see the market and stuff

534
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: like that, and so I just would break bread, you know.

535
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: And I remember the first time I even tried to

536
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: break bread with Wendy. Wendy was in the studio trying

537
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: to do her show, which I totally under stand, now,

538
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I came in there

539
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: with mixtapes and parody songs, all of this stuff I

540
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: wanted her to hear. And while she was doing her show, yeah,

541
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, but she was in between breaks, you know

542
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now, when I under now understanding

543
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: the hecticness of a syndicated show, it wasn't like breaks

544
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: like us. But we break for twenty minutes, thirty minutes,

545
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: and got time the bullshit she's on, like on on

546
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: on on, like it might have only been like three

547
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: minutes in between songs. Wendy goes, look, yo, yo, take

548
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: that mixtape shit out. Of here. I'm trying to do

549
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: my fucking show. Take that mixtape shit to my husband.

550
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: I didn't feel offended by that. Yeah, I was just like,

551
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: where's your husband? She's like, I think if he's in

552
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: that room somewhere, like in the conference room across the hall. Cool.

553
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: So I went across the room, gave him the mixtape,

554
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: started pitching ship to him, you know, pitching shit to him.

555
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: And then we started talking and we you know, kept

556
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: in contact from there, you know, and I used to

557
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: like give them the heads up on things that were

558
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: going on at the station. So he invited me to

559
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: come up to New York for a party. He was like, yeah,

560
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: wan't you come up to New York. We're having a party,

561
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I'm like, all right. I went to

562
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: the party just to kick it. And in the party,

563
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Wendy was like, oh shit, Charlemagne, Yo, won't you come

564
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: to my show? How long are you in town? Like, oh,

565
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: just for a couple of days. Come to my show tomorrow, Like,

566
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: come to your show tomorrow. Can't tell me shit like that.

567
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to be like, yo, all right, the

568
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: who do I call? What do I do? And so

569
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm hitting cav like yo keV, Wendy said, come to

570
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: her show. He was like, all right, I bet so.

571
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: He just told me that. He told me to go

572
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: up there, went up there, sat in the pink room

573
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: to paint the office for a while. Then she invited

574
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: me on the show and I was there for like

575
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, and literally that evening they were offering

576
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: me the position as her co host sidekick. And they

577
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: was like, look, we can't pay you, but we can

578
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: give you a place to stay. And I'm just like,

579
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: all right, just let me go back down South and like,

580
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, figure some things out, like just let my

581
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: girl know what I'm about to do and everything else.

582
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: And That's what I did. You knew the opportunity, yo, man.

583
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: You gotta recognize the opportunity even when it's not a

584
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: paycheck attached to it. So my mindset was never I never,

585
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I never once was like how much I'm gonna get paid.

586
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: It was like, we cannot pay you, but we can

587
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: give you a place to stay. I'm out the opportunity

588
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: to be on Wendy Williams Show Monday through Friday in

589
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: the afternoon nationally syndicated show What are some lessons you

590
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: learned on the Wonder William Show. That Wendy's a legend,

591
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: no matter how you feel about her, No matter how

592
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: you feel about her, bona farre legend, one of the

593
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: most talented people, one of the most talented media personalities

594
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: of all time. You know, one of the people few

595
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: people who can like literally sit down in front of

596
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: a TV camera and just go. Yeah, person who could

597
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: just sit down in front of a microphone and just go.

598
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: And you realize the reason she's able to do that

599
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: is number one, she had does have just the natural

600
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: gift to gab. But one of the lessons I learned

601
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: that everything is show prep. Like a lot of times,

602
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, back the day, we would think that show

603
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: prep is like just picking up the latest magazine, picking

604
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: up the latest tabloid and just downloading what's in there.

605
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Wendy taught me that your whole life is show prep.

606
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: Every single experience that you go through can be bought

607
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: to the radio, you know, every single experience that you

608
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: go through can be bought, you know, the television. I

609
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: would watch her, I'd be out with her during the day,

610
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: watch these things happen to her, and then watch her

611
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: get on the radio and talk about these things like, oh,

612
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: I was there, and of course he's making me part

613
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: of the story because and Charlemagne said this. Charlemagne was

614
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: right there, and Charlomagne acted like he didn't see it,

615
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: and it isn't like and I'm like, god, damn, she's incredible,

616
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, he's just an incredible storyteller.

617
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: So you know, she taught me how to tell stories

618
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: via radio, even though I was already doing it, but

619
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: I was doing it more so through sketches, but now

620
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: just to make your life a story, to make the

621
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: things that happened to you throughout the day a story.

622
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: That was like one of the biggest things, like everything

623
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: is show prep. And the other thing was like you're

624
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: either going to be of the people or of the industry,

625
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: because when you're of the people, you're always going to

626
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: speak like for the people and you're gonna speak how

627
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the people speak. When you're of the industry, like you're

628
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to protect relationships and you're gonna try to

629
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, protect people, you know, so you're not gonna

630
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: have those opinions that you that you probably once had.

631
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: That was good advice at the time. I think that

632
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: there's an adjustment to be made in that rhetoric because

633
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna come a time where like, you're going to

634
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: be industry yeah you get too big, yeah yeah, and

635
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: everybody around you is gonna be industry too. I've been

636
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: in the game for twenty five years. So not only

637
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: have I grown as a personality and a businessman, a

638
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: media just everything right, people around me have to. Now.

639
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I got people who run record label, I got people

640
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: who are in rs. I got people who work at

641
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: these social media platforms, you know what I mean. I

642
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: got friends that are artists and big celebrities. We all

643
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for twenty five years. We all

644
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: came up together. And not only just the people I

645
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: came up with those next generations of people that now

646
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm in position, But oh I see this person coming.

647
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Let me embrace this in the VILDI and brace that

648
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: in the Viddle school. We're all industry, you know what

649
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean. So your authentic self has to change. It's

650
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: like reasonable doubt was authentic for jay Z or four

651
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: authentic for jay Z today. What you just said hit

652
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: it on the head because people don't pay attention to

653
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: that like you saw me when I was one version

654
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: of myself. If I had stayed that version and never

655
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: grown into anything else, it's no way I'm being authentic, Yeah, Muhammad,

656
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: Alis said. The person who's doing the same thing at

657
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: fifty that he was at twenty wasted thirty years of

658
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: his fucking Ain't I believe that, you know what I mean.

659
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: It's just like you're I'm never going to be that

660
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: version in But the only thing I could do is

661
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: be the best version of my authentic self, whatever that

662
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: may be, whatever I grow into, you know, And like

663
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: that's why me at forty four, you god damn right,

664
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm not the same way I was at thirty one.

665
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: I better not be. Yeah, I mean, I'm my true

666
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: authentic self right now. And you know, you realize like

667
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: the power of the platform, and what I mean by

668
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: that is, like, man, this is certain things that we

669
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: got to protect people from because we have these platforms,

670
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes the wrong information is viewed over the platform,

671
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, and people get hurt because of that, you know.

672
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not in the business of hurting nobody. I

673
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: don't want to hurt nobody, and I don't want the

674
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: person putting out the information to be hurt. Yeah, you know. So, yeah,

675
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: well that's interesting because and I don't know if this

676
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: was necessarily this person being hurt by you. But after

677
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, you get your own show in Philly and

678
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: you get fired because you bring Beanie Seagull on a

679
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: who's a Philly rapper. Ye tell me if I'm not

680
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: getting the story right. But you bring on Beanie Segul,

681
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: who's a Philly rapper at one point was signed to

682
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Rockefeller Records, came up under Jay jay Z and you

683
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: do an interview with beans on the show and he

684
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: said something about Jayla makes Jay mad, and you get fired. Yeah,

685
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: that's the story. The story is that I got fired

686
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: because Beanie Segul got on the air and aired out

687
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: Jay Z. And I'm the one who recorded it and

688
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: I put it on air. That's the story. I don't

689
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: know if that's true or not. Jay never has confirmed

690
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: Jay Jay never confirmed or denied on air. Behind the scenes,

691
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: he has said to me like that, did that really

692
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: gets you fired? Like, you know what I mean? And

693
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: that's the story, right, I don't. I doubt that's highly

694
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: the case, you know what I mean? What I think

695
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: back then I think, um, I had a new program

696
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: director was hired, and I think that new program director

697
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: just wanted to bring in his people, and that new

698
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: program director like he don't know, he had his chest

699
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: out a little bit. I remember the first time I

700
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: met him, he was like, oh me, and you're gonna

701
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: be able to get along. So he came in there

702
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: on something like snapping the whip ship, let me get

703
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: this guy in line type thing, and I think that, um,

704
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: it was a combination of just him being new and

705
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: wanting to bring in his own people, but also a

706
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: combination of people thinking they're doing the right thing for

707
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: jay Z. But jay Z's not even thinking about this. Yeah,

708
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: he's you know what I mean. It's one of those

709
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: things like you know, I know Charlottagne did it, but

710
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: we got rid of charlotage and you let Jay know

711
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: I did it whatever whatever you know. So I don't

712
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do feel like maybe a higher

713
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: up might have might have just pulled the trigger on

714
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: that firing just to get in Jay's good graces, But

715
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a hey i'm jay Z,

716
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm offended, body, just get this guy off the air thing. No,

717
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. Okay, okay, but that

718
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: does get you fired. And that was your own show.

719
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like your own show with Philly. That's

720
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: like and if your first time happened like your own show,

721
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, um, that's that big that I was killing.

722
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I was number I think two in the market. I

723
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: was number two in the market at the time, and

724
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: that was in a PPM world, So I was I

725
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: was doing great and it was literally just me and

726
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: my homegirl, Sa. I should su to Sasha Katie. That's

727
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: the homie, you know what I mean. She we used

728
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: to work together when I used to work at Windy

729
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: at WBLS, and so when I got my own show

730
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: in Philly, just asked, yo, you want to be my

731
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: producer and she was like hell yeah. So we literally

732
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: would drive from New Jersey every morning back and forth

733
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: the Pennsylvania like like an hour and a half away.

734
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: We would drive back and forth every day. Three I

735
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: have to get up at three in the morning, pick

736
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: her up by like four three thirty four o'clock to

737
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: be there on time. And we did that every single day, wow,

738
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: for like six seven months. The Funny Parties I got

739
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: fired to day I was supposed to move into the

740
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: townhouse because I was still living in Jersey, so me

741
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and my wife had got a townhouse. And I'm like, yeah,

742
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. Now, I gotta wake up

743
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: sore early, like I won't have to drive, Like I'm

744
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: in my baskets. I'm processing all this in my mind.

745
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: We was living in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, on the

746
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: outskirts of Philadelphia. Go and roll my daughter in school here,

747
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: all of that type of ship. And the day I

748
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: got fired, I literally had all my stuff in the

749
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: fucking I had a two thousand two escalated with like

750
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand miles on it, and I

751
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: had all that in the in the car ready to

752
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: move into the town house. And I got fired on

753
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: that day, literally that day, and went back to South Carolina,

754
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: back in Mosts Corner for a year. And what was

755
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: going through your head at that point? Failure? I failed.

756
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: I got to go back to the Monsts Corner. After

757
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: being you know, on Wendy Show, after having my own

758
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: show in Philly, after having these viral moments, after being

759
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: on VH one TV with Wendy. Now, I got to

760
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: go back to the Mons corner and collect unemployment for real,

761
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: because I don't know when I'm gonna get another gig,

762
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: and now I got a daughter. So I literally was

763
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: in South Carolina from November two thousand and nine to

764
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: November two thou and ten, so I was able to

765
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: collect the year of employment. You know what I mean.

766
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm living at home with my mom, depressed this ship,

767
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: you know, anxiety through the roof, just trying to figure

768
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: out what's gonna happen. But you know, I used that

769
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to m There was a new station launching in Charleston,

770
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: South Carolina. It was called The Box. I think it

771
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: was like ninety two five The Box or something like that.

772
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: So I was there with them, helping them launch the station,

773
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: helping them write promos and creating imaging for the station.

774
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: I did the voiceovers for the station. Like in my mind,

775
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna end up getting a

776
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: shift on ninety two five. I'm gonna make my twenty

777
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: grand a year here in South Carolina, and we're gonna

778
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: live a great life. Yeah that was my mindseting. But

779
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, clearly God had other plans because the Breakfast

780
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: Club came shortly after that. How did that come? When

781
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I was in Philly, there was a there was a

782
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: time where I had met with my man g Spend

783
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: Before me and g Spend met in a restaurant or something.

784
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: It was me and at the time my then uh

785
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: my then manager named it was Kevin Wendy's husband, and

786
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have the best reputation in the

787
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: business man, and so even though we met, g Spen

788
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: wasn't really feeling it. And then later on that turned

789
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: into a meeting with my man Cadillac Jack and keV

790
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: was with me then and it was the same thing.

791
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: Like literally I found out that after we left the meeting,

792
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: mad people came from like the sales department and was like,

793
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: you cannot Charlotta, Agne's great, but if as long as

794
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: you know Kevin is his manager, you know we can't

795
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: hire him, and YadA, YadA, YadA, the energy will be

796
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: bad and terrible all of this type of stuff. I

797
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't know that, you know. And then you know, me

798
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: and Kevin ended up having a fallen out parting ways.

799
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: And so I was in New York because I had

800
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: moved back to South Carolina, but I was in New

801
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: York for a couple of days, and I remember just

802
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: texting g Spend like, Yo, you know where you at?

803
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: And he was like, I'm in New York. Where you at? Like,

804
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm in Jersey right now. I was standing Fort Lee.

805
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I was at the Double Tree in four League and

806
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, man, he was like, yo, come

807
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: to the station. I'm like word, He's like, yeah, yeah,

808
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: come to the station. Come to the station right now.

809
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: And so I got in the rental car drove seeing

810
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: It took me like three hours to get there because

811
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: it was like four o'clock in the after Yeah. Yeah.

812
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: So it was at the GW Bridge for what seemed

813
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: like an hour and trying to get down the West Side,

814
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: creeping down to Tribeca. But I finally get there and

815
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: g spinn is like, yo, U my boss. Cadillac Jack

816
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: has been watching your stuff all day long, watching you

817
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: and Duval with the Hood, State of the Union, and

818
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: listening under like some old interviews when you was on

819
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the radio in Philly. So I sit down with Cadillac,

820
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: and me and Cadillac just have a great conversation. And

821
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: one of the first things he says to me is like,

822
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: you know is keV still you're managing. I'm like, nah,

823
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, And that's how the relationship started. So like

824
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: a few months later I got hired on probably one

825
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: or five one remember Cadillac saying like, how long can

826
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: you wait for this job? And I'm like, for this

827
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: job as long as it takes. And so like five

828
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: six months later, you know, the wheels really started to

829
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: move where you want him that whole five six months,

830
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: like yo, like, oh yes, yeah, you couldn't just sit

831
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: back and no, no, no, definitely stayed in touch. Would

832
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: send him new episodes and me and the Ball Show,

833
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, just just anything anything that I was doing

834
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: in that space, I would because we was early on

835
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: social media. We was all over my Space and Twitter

836
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: and everything else. So yeah, like I was definitely keeping

837
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: in real touch with him and g Span, you know

838
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: what I mean, and sometimes popping up, popping up, you know,

839
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and be like because I knew kind of like the

840
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: gig might be mine. So I was kind of like

841
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: popping up and it felt bad because there was like

842
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: people who I was like really cool with that work there,

843
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: and I couldn't say anything, you know about the conversations

844
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: me and Cadillac we're having you know what I mean,

845
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: And I had to like lie to some of these people,

846
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: and it felt bad, you know what I mean, because

847
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: I just couldn't tell the truth because this business still

848
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: to be handled, you know. So, but yeah, that's how

849
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: I got there. It's amazing, man. And then basically from that,

850
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, from that point, are you still there obviously

851
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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, Yeah, thirteen years later, man. And what's so

852
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: interesting is that any of them would tell you. Angelie

853
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: will tell you, NBA will tell you. Our radio consultant,

854
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Dennis Clark, G spend Cadillac, I was the guy saying

855
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Speaker 1: We're gonna be one of the biggest nationally syndicated shows

856
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: in the country. Like, like I just I knew it.

857
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: I saw what this show had the potential of being.

858
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: And like from day one, me n by Angela, we

859
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: always recorded our interviews and put them online. That's how

860
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Speaker 1: I was aware of what Angelie was doing. I was

861
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: aware of what you know, Envy was doing. You know,

862
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: people like my homegirl Kendred g DeBie Brown. We were

863
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: all utilizing the Internet. And so when we got with

864
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, that's all. We didn't have no money

865
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: from marketing they didn't have no money from marketing, no

866
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: money for promotions. This was kind of like a last

867
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Speaker 1: ditch thing to see if something will work, to even

868
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Speaker 1: keep the lights on that power one oh five one.

869
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Speaker 1: And so all we asked for was a cameraman every

870
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Speaker 1: day to come in here and record, you know, these interviews.

871
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We started recording these interviews,

872
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: putting them up online, recording these interviews, putting them on websites.

873
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: And then at the time all these blogs and the

874
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: world Stars and all of these different platforms, these websites

875
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: existed sending our interviews out, they started posting them. Yeah,

876
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, it took off in a real way,

877
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: and here we are. How do you how do you

878
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: manage that? Like, how do you manage the expectation of

879
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: how do you manage the success? How do you manage

880
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: what is just out of reach at the moment that's

881
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming up for you. I manage it

882
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: just by like realizing all my daddy always says, you

883
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: never as good as it say you are, and you're

884
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: never as bad as it say you are. Like I've

885
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: already had my moments of like ego, I've had my

886
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: moments of like being that narcissistic, arrogant person that you

887
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: know you can't tell anything too. Whether people realize that

888
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: or not, I'm sure that they did, because I'm sure

889
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: I projected it, you know what I mean. But I

890
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: went through that, and I went through that at a

891
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: time where, like God, knew I had to get over

892
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: that in order to be where I am now. So

893
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: I knew that I had to start doing some work

894
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: on myself. I was really becoming everything that I said

895
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I didn't like. You know, I was looking in the

896
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: mirror and really becoming my father. I loved my father,

897
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: but I hated how my father's infidelity ruined his marriage

898
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: with my mom, you know, and ruined our family right.

899
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: So for me, I didn't want to do that, and

900
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: I felt myself going down that path in a real way.

901
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: So it was just like, let me check myself before

902
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: I wrecked myself. You know, why n't you go? Man?

903
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: Last question, if you could pick out one thing that's

904
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: helped you be successful, that's sort of been with you

905
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: through every period of your career, what do you you think

906
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: that thing would be? Man? For me, it would like

907
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: to really be authentic and what I mean by that is,

908
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: you're not authentic when you're being a character to yourself.

909
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: You're not authentic when you see something working for you

910
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: and you're getting rewarded for it, so you start doubling

911
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: and trippling down on that thing. You're not authentic when

912
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: you're being a second rate version of somebody else instead

913
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: of a first rate version of yourself. And one of

914
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: the things that hurt me to mostly when they started

915
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: calling me to hip hop Howard Stern. I love Howard Stern, right,

916
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't even start to think why they were

917
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: calling me that. I just took it and ran with it,

918
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, and started giving them like all of the

919
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: examples of Howard that Howard might not even be proud of. Now. Yeah,

920
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it was like a lot of

921
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: the the frat boy, creepy ass, overly sexual humor, you know,

922
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: like the low vibrational energy is what I was really doing.

923
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: The limbo with how low can you Go? You know

924
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like literally, like how low can you go?

925
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Like literally? And that's the type of shit I was doing.

926
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: So like when you go online and you see like

927
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: videos of me like sniffing chairs or like tying porn

928
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: stars up and all of that. It was literally for

929
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: the shock. Yeah, and so like that stuck with me

930
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: for like, man, maybe maybe a year or two I

931
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: was on that and then just started to eat me up, Like, Yo,

932
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: this ain't making me happy. This shit is whacked. And

933
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: you got your you know, your wife. You know I

934
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: got married in twenty fourteen, so you got your wife

935
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: on your head at the time. She's my girl, Like

936
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? Like, you know, you

937
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: out here wilding, you cheating like me, and you you're

938
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: on the radio and you're, damn it bragging about word

939
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: of the ball like it was that type of conversation.

940
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, are you tripping? Like you know you

941
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: it's just entertainment. That was my life. It's just entertainment.

942
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: But it's not. Yeah, it's really not, you know, because

943
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, but when you're influencing mad people, and in

944
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: this case, I'm hurting somebody and hurting the person that's

945
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: the closest to me, and you can start to believe

946
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: your own bullshit. That's the worst. When you get into

947
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: character and you start believing that you really are this dude.

948
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: So it's like for me, man, That's what made me

949
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: like really start like going to therapy and like doing

950
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: the work because I did not like the version of

951
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: myself that I was becoming. So my advice to anybody

952
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: would just to just be authentic, Always leave yourself open

953
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: to growth, and don't be afraid of where that growth

954
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: takes you. I don't give a fuck what people like

955
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: about you today. If you're growing into something else tomorrow,

956
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: follow that shit, you know what I mean, Because if

957
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, you're really just stunting your growth

958
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: and you really don't know how big you could possibly be.

959
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: You're putting a cap on you, Like you're literally putting

960
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: a limit on how far you could possibly grow, how

961
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: big you could get, because you're like, Nope, that's what

962
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: they like about me, So I'm gonna keep it here,

963
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: as opposed to just leaving yourself open to see what

964
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: else is out there and how much more you could

965
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: continue to grow. So that's what I tell people. Be authentic, man,

966
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: and just don't be afraid to grow. Yeah, yeah, man,

967
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing your authentic self to everything. Man. I

968
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thanks, man. Appreciate Charlemagne through the ups and downs,

969
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: are building a media career and one of the most

970
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: cut throat of mediums radio has shown up ready to

971
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: bring his full self to whatever it is he does,

972
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: and the brilliance of that is he's been impossible to ignore.

973
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: I want to thank him for that confidence and for

974
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: taking the time to talk with me. I plan on

975
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: spending more time working on my fear of being rejected

976
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: just for being me. Thanks for listening to start it

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Speaker 1: from the Bottom, I'm out. Started from the Bottom is

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Speaker 1: produced by David Jah, edited by Keishaw Williams, Engineered by

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Speaker 1: Bent Holliday, booked by Laura Morgan with production help from

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Speaker 1: Lea Rose. The show's executive produced by Jacob Goldstein, who's

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Speaker 1: not all up in the videos for Pushkin Industries. Our

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Speaker 1: theme music's by Bentaliday and David Jaw featuring Anthony Aggas

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