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Speaker 2: Hey, Caitlin, we have somebody very interesting today on our podcast,

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Speaker 2: somebody from my very long past of Australian tennis, and

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Speaker 3: One of the people in this world who has been

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, We literally have grown up together since the

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Speaker 4: He won a lot more than I did.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I forget that as much of illuminary as you are,

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Speaker 2: Well, Wikipedia gave him an extra one for a long

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Speaker 2: But the greatest thing about Todd's Grand Slam victories is

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Speaker 3: Well, I love that you guys get into the story

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Speaker 3: I love that we got to those places as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely, Todd and I have sunk our teeth

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Speaker 2: And he's truly somebody that I call one of my

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Speaker 2: My whole life and we'll hear why, but truly one

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Speaker 3: All right, well, listen up, here's our episode with Todd

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Speaker 3: A number of those twenty two Grand Slams came in

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Speaker 4: It was the one Grand slam that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. It's it's that you know, one

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Speaker 3: No, but you're totally right, which to me ends up

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: And when we're watching Hall or Birmingham or you know.

444
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Speaker 4: I thought you're going to say, holl of Notes Hall.

445
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Speaker 3: The Notes Halla, that's what the tournament's called, right, It's

446
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Speaker 3: attribute concert at the end. When you're watching these things,

447
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Speaker 3: they have to be. The grass I've played on is

448
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 3: insanely fast.

449
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's grass because we grew up in, which I

450
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Speaker 2: love because I hate groundstrokes.

451
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Speaker 3: And what's the point on being in the baseline if

452
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Speaker 3: you can be at the nat especially now, are you

453
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Speaker 3: even preparing for Wimbledon?

454
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Speaker 4: Well not really.

455
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Speaker 1: They do a little bit, and it's not as much

456
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Speaker 1: as it used to be, though it's not as hugely important.

457
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Speaker 3: As a fan of the game, I would like the

458
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Speaker 3: game to be a little bit more of the conversation

459
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Speaker 3: everything we're talking about surface variety, tactical variety. There's been

460
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Speaker 3: a homogenization of the game, and I think the way

461
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Speaker 3: that even it's talked about and the way that it's

462
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Speaker 3: broadcast kind of tends to celebrate like dominance.

463
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Speaker 1: So do you want to hear my theory please about

464
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Speaker 1: why that is getting to that point? Yeah? Tell me.

465
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Speaker 1: So we were talking about Subsy and I were both

466
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Speaker 1: coached by Ray Ruffles. Ray was a really good player.

467
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Speaker 1: You know, he won the Strain Open doubles and you

468
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Speaker 1: know quarters of Strain Open singles. A lot of the

469
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Speaker 1: coaching as we were playing and before was by former

470
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Speaker 1: really solid players that were out on tour. The coaching

471
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Speaker 1: that goes on now is from people that haven't been

472
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Speaker 1: those spaces themselves. Haven't actually, so you know, they haven't

473
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Speaker 1: been in major tournaments. They've been lower ranked players. They're

474
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Speaker 1: nice players, but they've never had the experiences of walking

475
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Speaker 1: out onto Santa Court.

476
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Speaker 3: You know.

477
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Speaker 1: John Newcomb was our Davis Cup captain and he had

478
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Speaker 1: a lot to do with my early years from about

479
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Speaker 1: thirteen and he the first show went to women said

480
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Speaker 1: come on, we're going to go and sit in the

481
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Speaker 1: Senate court. It was empty and you go visualize what

482
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Speaker 1: the crowd would be like, what it'd be like making

483
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Speaker 1: a return that way. Did that every year still the

484
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Speaker 1: first time, and you got these experiences from these former players,

485
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Speaker 1: and we had a lot of them in Australia that

486
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Speaker 1: taught you how to play. They looked at your game

487
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Speaker 1: style and then they go, well, you're going to have

488
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Speaker 1: to play like this. You're gonna have to look at

489
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Speaker 1: your opponent and you're gonna have to break them down. Now,

490
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Speaker 1: I watch coaches who are hired and do not say no. Ah. Interesting,

491
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Speaker 1: they never say no to their player. The player says

492
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Speaker 1: I want to do this, yes, because they scared of

493
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Speaker 1: getting sacked. Because what's happened in tennis is that the

494
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Speaker 1: player is the boss, is now the employer, and they

495
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Speaker 1: dictate where it's the wrong way round. The coach should

496
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Speaker 1: be the one telling the player you get your butt

497
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Speaker 1: back out on court. We're not done yet, and until

498
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Speaker 1: you do that and then we'll go home. That's one

499
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Speaker 1: of the classes. I've had enough, and the coach you'll go,

500
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, you'll be ready. You need to rest. What

501
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Speaker 1: a croc right.

502
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Speaker 2: It's true we did grow up because we did grow

503
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Speaker 2: up with the same coaching style and.

504
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Speaker 4: Was I was tough to coach. Todd was tough to

505
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Speaker 4: coach as well.

506
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Speaker 2: But when we had someone that we really respected, you

507
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: were tough to coach.

508
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Speaker 4: I don't even don't even go there. You did.

509
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Speaker 2: But we had to have somebody we really respected, and

510
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Speaker 2: when we did, it was it was all about what

511
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Speaker 2: they said. And that's not the case anymore, and we

512
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Speaker 2: were paying that.

513
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Speaker 3: We also had a great piece in one of our

514
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Speaker 3: earlier issues by Jeore Druker talking about the Australian code,

515
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Speaker 3: the ARC code.

516
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Speaker 1: Well, that coach came from all these great players. Let's

517
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Speaker 1: stay there.

518
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Speaker 3: It's a little bit less mercurial and maybe individualistic than

519
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Speaker 3: the way that other countries.

520
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Speaker 1: We used to have to leave, you know, and we

521
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Speaker 1: couldn't go home. You're on the road for four or

522
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Speaker 1: five months longer. Yeah, you just couldn't do it. But

523
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Speaker 1: just to go back to that coaching, it's not it's

524
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Speaker 1: not rocket science. It's easy to see why Novak with

525
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Speaker 1: Boris I was going to say, run Andy with Ivanne

526
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Speaker 1: took off. And even Roger reinvented his game by having Edinburg.

527
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Speaker 2: Edburgh, and I believe the biggest influence on him of

528
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Speaker 2: late is his current coach. I think Lubachich changed his backhand.

529
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Speaker 4: There's no question in my mind getting over the bigger.

530
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Speaker 2: Backhand, a bigger backhand, because Luberchi's best shot for me

531
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Speaker 2: was always a beautiful, free flowing backhand, and that is

532
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Speaker 2: Roger's backhand.

533
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Speaker 1: So you look at those thing. So the other part

534
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Speaker 1: that Edinburg did to Roger, he actually said, Roger, why

535
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Speaker 1: are you trying to hit winners and outplay everybody in

536
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Speaker 1: every point? That was when Roger went off. He tried

537
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Speaker 1: to play too good. Now Edburg came in, so let's

538
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: build pressure, let's serve and volley a little bit more

539
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Speaker 1: would put the old chip charge in there, make the

540
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Speaker 1: pass you and build it so when you get to

541
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Speaker 1: big points in matches, you don't have to hit a winner.

542
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: They're feeling you all the time. And so he sort

543
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Speaker 1: of just changed his philosophy a little bit, brought it back,

544
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Speaker 1: and so that that's where a lot of we see

545
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Speaker 1: in the games going back and on the women's side,

546
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Speaker 1: just look at the women, ya say, can she to

547
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Speaker 1: my team? Madison Keys will win a major soon if

548
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Speaker 1: she sticks with Lindsay.

549
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you think that that's fruitful coaching?

550
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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, I think that the biggest the biggest one

551
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Speaker 2: for me even yes, I believe this with Lindsay, with Madison,

552
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Speaker 2: but I think even more so is mcgarrutha.

553
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Speaker 4: Last year with Conchita. There's no doubt in my mind

554
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Speaker 4: that was.

555
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Speaker 1: One of the best tactical finals I've seen in women's tennis.

556
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Speaker 2: And that was Conchetah And that first set was extremely competitive,

557
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Speaker 2: playing against the player who had been there many many times,

558
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Speaker 2: and Venice Williams and.

559
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Speaker 4: M had A.

560
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Speaker 3: You could tell she was coached well.

561
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Speaker 1: Absolutely And dare I say this, I've watched and I've

562
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Speaker 1: called a lot of women's tennis alongside Renee, but there

563
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Speaker 1: are a lot of matches that I don't see a

564
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Speaker 1: deliberate plan and tactics, a lot of hitting balls as

565
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Speaker 1: opposed to constructing points. That was one of the best

566
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Speaker 1: constructed matches where the ball hit a certain part of

567
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Speaker 1: the court, You're going to hit it into there, You're

568
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Speaker 1: going to open up a backhand down the line, she's

569
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Speaker 1: at stretch, you move forward, and it was perfect coaching

570
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Speaker 1: particular day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I just I think that we're

572
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Speaker 2: going to see more and more over the next few

573
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Speaker 2: years or maybe forever. Ex players will be coming back

574
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Speaker 2: into I think the problem with the women's game is

575
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Speaker 2: that a lot of women players they want guys to

576
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Speaker 2: hit with because, you know, like for me, for example,

577
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Speaker 2: I mean, at my age, I can still hit, but

578
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Speaker 2: I can't hit with you know, I went away last

579
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Speaker 2: year with Carolyne Plishkov. I mean I can hit with her,

580
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Speaker 2: I can be at the net, I can do all

581
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Speaker 2: those things. But for her to really get a great

582
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: hit hit, she needs to have a guy hitting partner.

583
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Speaker 4: It's just the facts. I mean, I'm older.

584
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Speaker 2: I can't stick with someone like her or give her

585
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Speaker 2: the hit she wants. So that's kind of the problem.

586
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Speaker 2: With having women coaches is that but they have enough money,

587
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Speaker 2: but they can bring a hitting part to have that,

588
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Speaker 2: and I think you're going to see a lot more

589
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Speaker 2: ex player women come back on to the tour helping players,

590
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Speaker 2: and I hope that women take advantage of that, because

591
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Speaker 2: the difference with having a Concheta Martinez there, who's one Wimbledon.

592
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Speaker 2: The difference with having a Lindsay daven Paul or a

593
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Speaker 2: Boris backer is that you know, they know what it takes.

594
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Speaker 3: Let's go dip a little bit with Plishkova. What was

595
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Speaker 3: that experience? Like you had coached other players before? Had

596
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Speaker 3: you coach somebody in the top ten before?

597
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Speaker 2: I spent a little bit of time on the road

598
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Speaker 2: with Sam Stoza just because of our friendship, and she's

599
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Speaker 2: you know, when she gets stuck, she sometimes will give

600
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Speaker 2: me a call or Casey de Laqua, mostly because they're

601
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Speaker 2: my friends and they trust me and respect me. My

602
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: last couple of years actually on too, I had Conchita

603
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Speaker 2: Martinez come and help me at various tournaments and she

604
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Speaker 2: made a huge difference for the latter part of my career,

605
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Speaker 2: no question about it. So for me it was nerve wracking.

606
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Speaker 2: I told Todd we had. Todd wrote a really nice

607
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Speaker 2: article actually in Australia about the use of maybe using

608
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Speaker 2: someone like me who I'm like Todd, I have a

609
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: very good tennis brain, which makes us both good analysts

610
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: when we watch tennis, you know, is that we can

611
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: analyze a point. We sometimes argue about it on air,

612
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: but you know, overall we have a very similar thought

613
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Speaker 2: process and I think that more players could utilize And

614
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that currently not brought me onto it

615
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: because she listened to my commentary and I'd like to

616
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Speaker 2: have that maybe in my ear for a little while.

617
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Speaker 2: So I think we're going to see more and more.

618
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Speaker 2: I'd love to do more, There's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was how we started this conversation. I'd

620
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Speaker 1: love to see more of that as well. But maybe

621
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Speaker 1: those the ones we mentioned, they're the elite trying to

622
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Speaker 1: finish off those majors. We need more of you myself

623
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Speaker 1: or a stubsy coming back into that mid level to

624
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Speaker 1: get more of those plays up. I must. There's one

625
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Speaker 1: one young guy from Australia, Alex Demanoor. He's just had

626
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Speaker 1: just won his first Challenger.

627
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Speaker 4: And Ash Party just want tourn him as.

628
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Speaker 1: We get to her too. But Alex is being mentored.

629
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Speaker 1: You could call it coach too by Leyton Hewitt. It's

630
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: not official coach, but Laighton's with him a lot. They're

631
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of hitting as you were talking about,

632
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: but Laanen's really talking to him about how to win matches,

633
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Speaker 1: how are we going to beat this guy, what we're

634
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Speaker 1: going to do in our preparations. And there's a correlation

635
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Speaker 1: between how Alex is going and what info he's getting.

636
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Speaker 3: You know, it's not an accident, no, yeah, And.

637
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Speaker 1: The other part to Alex is that he also is

638
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: searching for it. He wants that in a player. Yeah,

639
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: And so he's fortunate that, you know, he's got the

640
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: Davis Cup captain from Australia to be out with him

641
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: being able to do that. But I'd like to see

642
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: that we were lucky there was more of us out

643
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Speaker 1: on the road. And I've got to be saying I'm

644
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Speaker 1: a bit guilty. I I love coaching. Actually, I'd bit

645
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: like Stubbs actually enjoy the getting my hands in there

646
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: and teaching somebody and watching a player and have them

647
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: go all right, that's how you do it.

648
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you do I just do it with

649
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: Caitlin now on the east side.

650
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Speaker 3: She afected my.

651
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Speaker 1: Back und I'm not surprised. Yeah, I didn't know it

652
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: was bad, but it was. But I just think that

653
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, and a lot of players don't

654
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: do it. Because I had two young kids. I wanted

655
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Speaker 1: to be at home more and I was probably a

656
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: little selfish in that, because to do it properly you

657
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Speaker 1: have to be with that twenty five weeks on the road,

658
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Speaker 1: and at that point in my life I didn't want

659
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Speaker 1: to be out on the road for another twenty five weeks.

660
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm probably getting back to my kids are late teens now, so.

661
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: Given up on them now he's letting them go. Speaking

662
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: of kids, I want to bring this up because you

663
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: do have two young kids, and well, Zara is a

664
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: golfer and which I know is very torturous for you

665
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: because you want to be a golfer yourself. And bo

666
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: Is he's aspiring Broadway guy. He's a singer and performed

667
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: a lot in Australia, and that's one of the reasons

668
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: why you're here in the US, and you lived here.

669
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 4: A long time.

670
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: What's it like can you imagine being you know, your

671
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: kids growing up in Australa obviously a little bit of

672
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: pressure to be great and also think about someone like

673
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: Andre and.

674
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: Stephi's kids as well.

675
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine actually interesting that you asked that question

676
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: because it would be through two three weeks ago. For

677
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: the very first time, Zarah raised it and she said,

678
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: you don't understand how hard it is to be judged

679
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: by everything you did. So she doesn't play my sports.

680
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: She's been an elite golf program. She's just seventeen and

681
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: going through a really rough patch. And I think the

682
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: best part of that was just really honest about She

683
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: came and sat down and said, I don't like it,

684
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: and we can't. We got to the conclusion and I

685
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: changed not much you can do about it, yeah, but

686
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: being you know, like I needed someone else to win

687
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: my majors beside me partner, but just to do the

688
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: single stuff and an Andre and Steph. You cannot imagine

689
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: that comes down to being a really good parent if

690
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: you can get your kids through that.

691
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: So they're going to find that too because Jade and

692
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: I know he's playing elite baseball, so he's very good.

693
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: Shock shock her.

694
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: Can you imagine with those jeens but really your kids

695
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: are the total Like talk about.

696
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: Splitting you in half.

697
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: One's Broadway because we know how much you love Broadway

698
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: and singing, and he's the one that drags me. There's

699
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: nobody that's dragged me more to Broadway productions than Todd.

700
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: But you lived over here for what.

701
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Twenty years or no, well at like eleven four years?

702
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: How difficult is it for Aussie's I mean I can

703
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: tell this story as well. But to spend the time

704
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: on the road and then to live your life here

705
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: and then to move back to Australia is that difficult?

706
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I loved it, you know, to be talking

707
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: about Zara and some of the things you find difficult.

708
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: One of the things you found difficult was living in Australia.

709
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: You know, people might listen to this and go, oh,

710
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: here we go, but it's we do have a bit

711
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: of a tall poppy syndroid Mian Australia. Do you know

712
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: what that is?

713
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: Like nobody can stand out.

714
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that one poppy comes comes above the rest

715
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: in the field and it gets chopped off just to

716
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: keep it all level. So Australia love sport. We're a

717
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: huge sporting nation and we're very successful for how many people.

718
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: We considering your yeah right, snakes and sharks the other

719
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: animals that want to eat you all the time.

720
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: And that's that was it still is. I'm back there now,

721
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm old. I can deal with it. It's one of the

722
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: most frustrating things about our country because when you come

723
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: over here and I lived in Orlando, and I lived

724
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: around the likes of Pain Stewart, the golfer and the greats. Yeah,

725
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: one of the greats. You know, there were pig people

726
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: are all hersh eires of baseball. These greats were living

727
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: in the same vicinity, and everywhere you went, WHOA, how

728
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: good you're doing, even if you just quality for a topment,

729
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: there was all this positivity and congratulations and energy and

730
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: being in America, it is a very positive vibe at home.

731
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: You get to that point where they drive you, they

732
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: love what you're doing, and then there's this expectation that

733
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: you've got to be like everybody else. And so when

734
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: as a tennis player to get away from OZ and

735
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: just live away is actually a good thing.

736
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: Interesting.

737
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I went back after I'd retired,

738
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: so that was fine.

739
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: And because you can you can't think you're the ship.

740
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: When you live in Australia, you have to be very humble.

741
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: You have to understand how to deal within media stubs.

742
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: And I both work in the media, and you have

743
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: to understand how to portray yourself in Australia.

744
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: It's really so you can't come off to Erica. That's

745
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: why you'll be sort of.

746
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: That's why people love Australia because they're like, we love

747
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: you guys. You guys, you're so normal, so we have

748
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: to be Yeah.

749
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: But and you know, certainly, you know, America celebrates a

750
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: little bit more rugged individualism in both good and bad

751
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: bad ways. But I would imagine being a sports luminary

752
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: is a little maybe a little easier here because we

753
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: celebrate you.

754
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Maybe celebrate I mean, you know, we you know, talk

755
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: about Assie men and and Nick Kurios who you know,

756
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: it's a bit of it makes you tear your hair out.

757
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: But it's tough for him. He's struggling with all the

758
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: things that I just talked about because.

759
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: And he's a country boy. Really he lives in Canberra,

760
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: which is our capital, but it's a small.

761
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: It's a small town. Well that he was who I

762
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: was thinking of when I was thinking about when you

763
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: were describing living over here, it sounds like he would better.

764
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he loves he does American basketball.

765
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, he got a place in Bahamas now, and

766
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, he will be doing that, and it'll be

767
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: important that he does that and stays, you know, away

768
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: from Oles as much, just to relieve that stress and

769
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: pressure that we all put on him.

770
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: Can I just have to bring this up because Todd

771
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: and I talked about this before we got here this morning.

772
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: So one of the things that you know, back in

773
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: the day, the prize money wasn't as great.

774
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: It was good.

775
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not going to complain. Neither of us are

776
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: going to complain. But one of the all time classic

777
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: lines from first of all, let's just get it straight,

778
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: Todd had quite the temper on the corner, and that's coming.

779
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: That's like the kettle calling the pot, the pot calling

780
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: the kettle, right, Yes, exactly. Well, I think people understand

781
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: what I was saying, But Todd Todd.

782
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: No.

783
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: So Todd won twenty two Grand Slams. Apparently he said

784
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: he won twenty three because Wikipedia gave him twenty three,

785
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: and then eventually they found out that it was actually

786
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: twenty two. I think it was you that actually put

787
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: it on there. That was twenty three.

788
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should have been a six match poys

789
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: in a file of woman mix, not with you, but

790
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: with Alicia Maley.

791
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there on that one. Yeah, you lost

792
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: a Kara Black and her brother Byron No was it

793
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Byron though?

794
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: No?

795
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: Wayne, Wayne, Sorry.

796
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, but we did get very drunk, all of us

797
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: at night because we all won a Wimblin title that year.

798
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: So anyway, So Todd one twenty two Grand Slam, so

799
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: very successful. But there were moments on the court that

800
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: he would probably like to take back, several of which

801
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: I've witnessed. And the all time classic story about Todd

802
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: because he's told me about one of mine, but was

803
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: when he was playing singles singles at Wimbledon.

804
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 4: I'm not I think it was your last year.

805
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: I've forgotten a lot of these moments.

806
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: And he was probably in the third round or something. Anyway,

807
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: he's kind of got a bad call. And yes, before Hawkeye,

808
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: which would have saved Todd Knake. First of all, all

809
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: the gray hair that we.

810
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: Have now and thousands of dollars and.

811
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: Thousands of dollars and arguments and stress with our partners

812
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. He yelled at the umpire,

813
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: do you want Do you remember what you said?

814
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 4: Would you like to say it?

815
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't remember this one.

816
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Come on, I got to get to the just to

817
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: break even. Go on, you know what you said?

818
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: Is that what I said?

819
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: I got the nanny I got.

820
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: You can tell it because I've dismissed it from my mind,

821
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: but I do. It's there somewhere.

822
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: So I'd basically lost his ship, looked at the umpire

823
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: and said, you know you're killing me here. I've got

824
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: to get to the quarters, just to break even. I've

825
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: got the wife, I've got the nanny, I've got the kids.

826
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: You know it's true. It's true. I hurt this week

827
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: I had. I could really relate to Joanna Conta. She

828
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: lost in the final to ash Party in Nottingham. Was

829
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: it Nottingham? Yeah? And for all on the third she

830
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: got a really bad call and there's some good audio

831
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: with this, and she just went to the umpire and said,

832
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, you're changing my life. Were changing, Allen. That's

833
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: how you feel as an athlete out there. Some days,

834
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: you really do, and I did. I had to get

835
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: to the quarters, to pay for the coach, the nanny,

836
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: the two kids on the road, and why five air

837
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: tickets a couple of hotel rooms.

838
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: That's what he said.

839
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: That's the stress that year, that year under you know,

840
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: And in the end, I actually had to sack the

841
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: coach to keep the nanny because that was to keep

842
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: family on the road. And that you laugh, but that's true.

843
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I sacked the coach to keep the nanny, and my

844
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: results weren't quite as good anyway. Family life was good.

845
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: Probably ultimately, happy wife, happy, happy life.

846
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're still married.

847
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: And still here. Yeah, okay, so contact yes, So you know,

848
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: she just made that point that your call you may

849
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: not think it's that important, and it's changing what happens

850
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: in my life, and that I always you know, you

851
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: sit in commentary now and it's not really affecting you.

852
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: When all this stuff goes on and athlete's struggling mentally,

853
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: they see them losing it. But the reality is, when

854
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you're out there on the road, you do think of

855
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: those things. And there are so many stresses that the

856
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: punter at home thinks that it.

857
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 4: The punter is the person betting.

858
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just thinks Ah, that's only your game. Don't

859
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: worry about it. You know, we fancy that you're playing

860
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: tennis for him. Don't worry. But you know, you've got

861
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: this tiny window to make a career for yourself and

862
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: to actually make money. Yeah. I mean, one of the

863
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: greatest bits of advice I ever got from Ray Ruffles was, right,

864
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: all this money that you get right now, first up,

865
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: we're getting you and a apartment, and all that money went.

866
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: And because whatever happens when you finished working with me,

867
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a place to live.

868
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: Crudially important, so pragmatic.

869
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: So it's like, and I wish sometimes, you know, I'm

870
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: going to go off in a tangent slightly here. I

871
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: wish that the agents that were out there took responsibility

872
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: and looking after their athletes in that way. Tennis players

873
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: out there today they think it's going and like we

874
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: all felt that you're gonna ask forever, it doesn't. And

875
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: that's where an agent has to say, no portion of

876
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: every week it's pulled away, gets put into investments and

877
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: all that, because there are so many players out there

878
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: that finish their career with zero Look at Boris Becker,

879
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's a for me, like I

880
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: actually do quite a bit of mentoring back at home

881
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: to the young players that are coming up in tennis

882
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: Australia and talk about those types of things because there's

883
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: all the agents are, you know, sniffing around trying to

884
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: sign them up and all that, and I know a lot

885
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: of them. They're nice people, but again they're in a

886
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: role where the agent never says no, of course not

887
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: and that for me because they're actually mismanaging their client

888
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: by not educating them. And our sport could do with

889
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: a lot better education to have our players understand how

890
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: to get out there, how to sell themselves better, how

891
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: to promote themselves, be more mature.

892
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: Something Renee and I talk about a lot.

893
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Understand the history of your sport so that you can,

894
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, speak well and then know why you're out there.

895
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: And place yourself among the greats. And let me ask

896
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 3: you a question because it kind of ties back into

897
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: what I thought was really interesting about coaching and coaching

898
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: these sort of middle tier players, players that are obviously

899
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: elite but haven't yet made their first Grand Slam, semi

900
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: final or whatever it is. You know, where is the

901
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: responsibility and who's kind of doing a good job and

902
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: where could some of these guys do better?

903
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: So I ran men and women's tennis for three years

904
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: in Australia from Davis and fedcup down to our elite

905
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: juniors at fifteen and Tennis Australia we do well, We

906
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: do really well. We give lots of education, we support

907
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: their tools away and we get to the point where

908
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: we get them going. And so that's where the agent

909
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: comes in. And the agent comes in puts a wedge

910
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: between the federation and the player and then you don't

911
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: have any access to them anymore. You lose control of

912
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: what you've built. You've been their biggest investor. They've spent

913
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: more money on them than any contract they're going to

914
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: get in the next three to five years.

915
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: But the agent reaps the reward. Yes, And is that

916
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: true for what you can tell for other countries?

917
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: And you name the Grand Slam nations, So they're the

918
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: ones that have the more of ability and budgets to

919
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: be able to do that. So you know that the

920
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: harder part is the nations that don't have a Slam

921
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: and the funding because those ones don't have that support

922
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: network to be able to do that.

923
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: And I think I mean could this be something. One

924
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: of the things that has been so interesting talking to

925
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: you about is just sort of making these kind of

926
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: fixes because I think a lot of us punters, myself

927
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 3: probably included, even though I don't bet on data technically

928
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: I don't. Is just you know, the idea that we

929
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: love this game, we love playing this game in a

930
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: lot of cases, we love watching this game and obviously

931
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: the stories. But how can we make it better? And

932
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: where are the sort of points to doing that.

933
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: There's one person who's never that an opinion, so come on, no.

934
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I just think it's it's very difficult now.

935
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about an age of a sport

936
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: that is played worldwide by every country. Now, I mean

937
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: we're talking that one of the most successful countries over

938
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: the last few years is Serbia and Belgium, who have

939
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: like is the size of like Tasmania for us down

940
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: in Australia. I mean, it's not necessarily the money base,

941
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: it's the desire base. And we're seeing countries that have

942
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: very small amounts of budgets or don't have any excuse me,

943
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: the Ukraine.

944
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: I mean, do you know where Elena Fitzelena grew up

945
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: playing tennis.

946
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: No.

947
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: I mean these are people because the desire for them

948
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: is so large, it's so big that they want to

949
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: get somewhere else and be the great Romania. Come on,

950
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: are you kidding me, Simona Hallep. I mean they grew

951
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: up on crappy courts with no funding, with no coaching, really,

952
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, or you'd have the coaching of the players

953
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: from the past maybe helping them, or they just happen

954
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: to have a really passionate parent. It it comes down

955
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: to desire and sadly or unfortunately in Australia or in

956
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: the US, or in England where you have all this funding,

957
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: or in France, the kids don't have the desire because

958
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: it's an entitlement for them. They think they can just

959
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: get money and they go off in that way. They

960
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: need the desire and someone like an Alex Demon offer it.

961
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: For example, who he's never going to be number one

962
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: player in the world. I mean, if he makes the

963
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: top ten, kudos to him, it'll be amazing.

964
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: But he's small, he's little is But I'll tell you what.

965
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: The kid has the guts of very and that is

966
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: where you have to find them. You have to find

967
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: the kids that want to dig themselves out of.

968
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Hool I don't think you find them. I think they

969
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: can't they come. Yeah, so it's a real challenge in

970
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: that space. And Stubbs he sort of mentioned it. You know,

971
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: the nations that have money, You get someone with talent

972
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: and you give them the opportunity, but sometimes they just

973
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: don't have it as well. You know, there is only

974
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: a very small minority that gets there.

975
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: If you can find the kid that has talent but

976
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: has a bigger work ethic and actually hates to lose

977
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: and wants to learn more and get better every single day,

978
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: that's the kid that's going to be good.

979
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: That's the bottom line.

980
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: And then they're the ones you need to grab a

981
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: hold of and say we're here to support you because

982
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: you've shown us that you are willing to learn, you

983
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 2: are willing to dig deep.

984
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: The one thing I want us to live here fixing.

985
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: And I mean this as a passionate fan, as a player,

986
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: as a double specialist myself talking to people who have

987
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 3: more Grand Slam trophies in doubles than probably could fit

988
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: into this podcast studio.

989
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: Truly Todd has how many did you win ATP titles

990
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: or total titles.

991
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: That you want in eighty three, which was the record

992
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: when I finished, I actually held basically every doubles record.

993
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: I hold one. Now, what is it that's the most

994
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: wimble titles?

995
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: Nine?

996
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: No one's going to beat.

997
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: That, hopefully not before I'm gone, but I thought i'd

998
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: hang on to a lot more. I mean that I

999
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: finished playing at thirty four, which the guys are playing

1000
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: a lot longer than that.

1001
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: Now play playing a forty four.

1002
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brand Brothers are.

1003
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Worth forty I think I think they're just turned forty

1004
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: maybe forty so you know, they've got one hundred twenty

1005
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: I think nearly now, so they're miles in front of me.

1006
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: But at that point that was pretty good.

1007
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: Eighty three not to shabby.

1008
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: Doubles is what we play, especially in cities, court time casts,

1009
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: et cetera. It's something that people find enjoyable and can

1010
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: play longer, which is why the pros play unto their

1011
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: forties and doubles. Where is the disconnect between the fanship

1012
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: and the viewership? Has it always existed?

1013
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: Is that sort of a new name recognition?

1014
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: And that's the I mean, the thing is too like

1015
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: the French had a lot of people watching them, maybe

1016
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: not in the stadium because they were a French duo

1017
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: and they've won a wimbling together. That was like the Woodies,

1018
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: it was like Elting and Hahu's. It was like the

1019
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: Brians have been. So I mean, gee, I look at

1020
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the Brians and I think how lucky American tennis was

1021
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: to have them for a period because there was nothing

1022
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: happening on the men's side of singles. You know, you

1023
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: came to the US Open. They were on the buses,

1024
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: they are on the billboards. They were the one promoting

1025
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: tennis in.

1026
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: The general there are only Grand Slam winning men. Yeah

1027
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: since two thousand and.

1028
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, since sins Ratic, since Raadica. There you go,

1029
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: and so they've been hugely important to tennis in this country.

1030
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: I think that in my mind. I mean, you have

1031
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: to always understand that I started the game to win

1032
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: wimbled and singles, not to win wimblin doubles. So it's

1033
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: always going to be the second part to it. What

1034
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I would like to see though, And I think the

1035
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: Tour did a good job with this where they decided

1036
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: to put the doubles on first as the warm up

1037
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: event instead of actually holding it to the end when

1038
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: no one watched it. I would like Wimbledon showcase doubles,

1039
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: truly showcase it every day. I would like to say

1040
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: the French I'd like to see the US Open. When

1041
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you get to the latter stage, is that they actually

1042
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: scheduled you on the match courts when the crowds would

1043
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: be there, and they throw it out just to get

1044
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: rid of it. They literally say, we've just got to

1045
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: play that match. We'll put it on over there.

1046
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1047
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: I remember playing a US Open mixed final with Aleish

1048
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: Molick and we were scheduled on a court. Me by then,

1049
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: we were scheduled, scheduled to follow He's not even picking up.

1050
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: It was scheduled to follow women's semi on Arthur Ash Stadium.

1051
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: She had a bigger ser and it went three sets.

1052
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Was Capriati against I think it was. It was a

1053
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: massive match. At a set all they said we're going

1054
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: to move you. Okay, They moved us over to Louie Armstrong.

1055
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: Eight people were watching the final. Eight now his dad

1056
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: in a third set finished, third set finished, and all

1057
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, thousands of people flocked in for the

1058
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: last four games. Interesting had they why didn't they think

1059
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: about waiting showcase because all those people are going to

1060
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: come out, They're going to come and watch. So there

1061
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: needs to be that type of thinking at the end

1062
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: of major's and I've seen that many many times.

1063
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: And is there a broadcast component to this too, like

1064
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: having people who understand exactly what they're watching be able

1065
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: to commentate instead of sort of treating it.

1066
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, promoted in that way.

1067
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 3: Because I love watching doubles. I stream it all the time.

1068
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: Look, I got the the privileged to call last year

1069
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: at the Labor Cup the Raffa Roger phenomenal match that

1070
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: they know everyone was so excited to see the two

1071
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: greatest male players.

1072
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: On the same side of the court.

1073
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course people watched. But then it goes

1074
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: back to your name and anyway, I think, I think

1075
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: we just have to work on scheduling and those sorts

1076
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: of things. Realize we're never going to be the showcase,

1077
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: but you're there. Is that really strong support act.

1078
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I remember one of my greatest, probably

1079
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: the greatest memory I've had on the court obviously, is

1080
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: winning my first Grand Slam and it was at the

1081
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: U Strain Open and we our match went so long,

1082
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: it was like two and a half hour match and

1083
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: it went it butted into the men's semi final time

1084
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: slots kind of thing, and it was absolutely packed the court.

1085
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: There was not a seat in the house because everybody

1086
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: had come in to watch the men's semi final. I mean,

1087
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: I think maybe one hundred came in to watch our final.

1088
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: Hopefully they came in, maybe my family. But by the

1089
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: end of the match and it was we had some

1090
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: we had great name recognition on the court that we're

1091
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: playing against Hingus who was in the singles final, and

1092
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: of course Mary, so people knew them. So maybe there

1093
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: were people that actually really wanted to go watch us,

1094
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: hopefully because I was Australian. But by the end of

1095
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: the match, it was literally not a seat in the house.

1096
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: And so that memory for me of winning and really

1097
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: the whole third set was like that. So to have

1098
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: that moment in front of an absolutely packed crowd was unbelievable.

1099
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: Feeling and the people loved it.

1100
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: So it is it's about having the luck of also

1101
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: being in an environment that and we get that at

1102
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: Wimbledon all the time.

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00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 4: It's always packed.

1104
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a story for you, Caitlin, please.

1105
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: It just came to me. It's a little bit double

1106
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: story about stubbs Oh Jesus, yes, So we I talked

1107
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: about we won the US Open. So the next year

1108
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: we've turned up to the US Open. And I had

1109
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: played at wimbled and with Martina and they rattleover and

1110
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: that was a good experience. But we got to the

1111
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: U s Open, but.

1112
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 4: He preferred me my wife.

1113
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 3: That was the subject.

1114
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I had just given birth to our second child, to

1115
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: bow and he was about two weeks old, two three

1116
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: weeks old. Wow. And so she's at home in Orlando

1117
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: and I came up to play.

1118
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 4: We lived in Orlando at the same time.

1119
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I came up to play and Stubbsy, well,

1120
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Martina says to me, first you want to play, And

1121
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I said, look, no, I'm not going to play mix

1122
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: because I'm just going to play the doubles and if

1123
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: if I go, well great, If not, I need to

1124
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: get back home. We've got two young kids and I

1125
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: need to be a dad and get back there and

1126
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: help out. So Stubbsy comes to me and says, oh,

1127
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to a partner. Can you want to play?

1128
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: And I got no, I can't play. You know, that's it.

1129
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: So unbeknownst to me, Stubbsy goes, oh, I got nobody, Buggaret,

1130
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm just going to sign us in. So she goes

1131
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: to the referees office signs us in as a combo

1132
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, maybe this's the next day,

1133
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the players lands and Martina and over and

1134
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: she goes, you're a liar, wow, And I'm like what.

1135
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: And you know, Martina can be intimidating. She's a strong woman.

1136
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: And was she joking?

1137
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: No, no, no she wasn't.

1138
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: She's said, you're playing with Stubbsy and I said, no,

1139
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm not playing it all. She said you signed in

1140
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: with her, and I've gone no, no, no, I'm not. Yes

1141
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: you are and you knew all along.

1142
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

1143
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of sweating even now. And so

1144
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: it gets worse because the draw comes out, Oh no ship,

1145
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: and who do we play? Of course, we played Martina

1146
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: and Leander Pace first round on the old number one court,

1147
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: Grandstand court, and there was no chance that we were

1148
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: going to win that match because Martina was just she would.

1149
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: Play every point of Leander's running around like a flyout,

1150
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 2: and and everything you was open, defence came crashing down

1151
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: in the opening round. It was really the reason we

1152
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: lost because Todd wanted to get out of it.

1153
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't lost doubles by that way, was still at

1154
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: the to There's no excuse.

1155
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 4: My god.

1156
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: It's amazing the memories that I have that I don't remember.

1157
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: I remember that one clearly.

1158
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: I have to intimidating women. Stubbsy and Martina were.

1159
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: Todd and I have so many memories.

1160
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: Between a Rock and a hard Place, I think they

1161
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: were called that.

1162
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: You have to know we've known each other since we

1163
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: were ten years but we used to caravan backed from

1164
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: Canberra at the Austrain Institute of Sport. We went to

1165
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: school together. We used to hitchhike home sometimes.

1166
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: I think this actually describes Stubbsy as well, because we

1167
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: there were times where we both had our first car

1168
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: and we would drive from Canberra to Sydney, both red

1169
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: and it's about a three and a half hour drive

1170
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: and it's sort of country roads at that point. And

1171
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: what would happen is you're driving along and I think

1172
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: at that point we had, you know, your auto cruise

1173
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: for the first time in a car, and I'm going

1174
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: along you had it and you know Let's say it

1175
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: was one hundred kilometers now and I'm driving a hundred

1176
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: right on it, you know, because Todd's that guy, and

1177
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: she'd be behind me. She couldn't sit on a hundred.

1178
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: She'd overtake and then get in front and then call

1179
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: back to ninety five and I go, wait, why are

1180
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: you doing that? And so I would go back and

1181
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: get a hundred, and we'd be three hours going like

1182
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: this to get to Sydney.

1183
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 4: Keep in mind, this was how cell phone.

1184
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: Aggravating this was, and that that describes it. She cannot

1185
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: sit behind. She needs to be either with you or

1186
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: just that little bit in front.

1187
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: Well, now I understand why you too made an incredible

1188
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: doubles team. Shortly.

1189
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: Actually, let me tell you what I said to him

1190
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: when we won our mixed doubles title. I hugged him

1191
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: and I said, I said, we finally did it.

1192
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: That's so nice.

1193
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: And we were down match point in that Todd hit

1194
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: an incredible low, great, amazing backhand Molly a down match

1195
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: point and Lisa Raymond has regretted her whole life that

1196
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: she didn't poach on that one volley, and she didn't,

1197
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: and we ended up winning the tournament.

1198
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: And you guys have a title for it. What a

1199
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 3: good place to end it. Ty, thank you so much

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00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: for joining.

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00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to do it. There's many more things

1202
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: we can discuss.

1203
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: Based on the last three stories that you just told.

1204
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 3: I want an entire teenage stubbsy leg recap. Basically, no,

1205
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: maybe I don't. I'm not sure. Next time with drinks.

1206
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: Okay, Todd knew me back then when I was straight.

1207
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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