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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your

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Speaker 1: podcast that comes out every week, the only podcast that

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Speaker 1: comes out every week. Most of them don't. None of

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Speaker 1: the other ones do. I'm your host, Margaret Kilroy, and

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Speaker 1: with me today as my guest, is Daniel Goodman. Hello him, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm good. People who listen to

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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media probably know who you are. You're an

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Speaker 1: audio engineer, but you're not our audio engineer. You're not

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Speaker 1: this one. No, I'm not Ian, No, that is true. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I'm a. I'm a I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: part of the engineering team for this wonderful slice of

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Speaker 1: the network. Yeah, I'm I don't know. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: have anything clever to say about it. I'm just glad

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Speaker 1: that you're the guest. I'm really excited about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I love your show and and I if I may,

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Speaker 2: if I may? What's the word when you like? It's

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Speaker 2: not splurred, when you like go off about somebody and

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Speaker 2: how much you appreciate their work. You're one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite voice actors that I've been able to work with

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Speaker 2: on many of the different things that I've worked on.

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Speaker 2: On the show, like you've done vocal work for Jamie,

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Speaker 2: You've done vocal work for Garrison, and all of your

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Speaker 2: voice acting is incredible. I think you are very, very

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Speaker 2: talented on Mike, and your delivery is flawless every time.

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Speaker 2: So I'm happy to be here to support your show

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Where do I vendo? You the twenty bucks

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Speaker 1: for saying? Okay? So we're closing out Pride month. It's

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Speaker 1: June twenty twenty three as we record this, possibly even

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Speaker 1: as you listen, possibly not. I don't know. You can

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Speaker 1: listen whenever you want. That's the fun thing about podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Margaret, you forgot the second half of your preamble

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Speaker 3: that you do every episode.

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Speaker 1: Hi Sophie, Hi, producer is Sophie. That's not the part

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Speaker 1: I was talking about. I was talking about the part

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Speaker 1: where we make everyone say hi to Ian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that's really beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: Did you you know that Dan and Ian go way back? Well?

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Speaker 2: Their dj is together. We were DJs together. He was

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Speaker 2: also my I volunteered to be a like a high

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Speaker 2: school buddy for all entering ninth graders in high school.

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Speaker 2: I was paired up with Ian in ninth grade when

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Speaker 2: we were when we were young young lads, and we've

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Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that you

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Speaker 1: all want that far back. That's cool. We go back

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Speaker 1: quite quite a ways. I love that dude.

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Speaker 3: So, Daniel, can you say hi to Ian real quick?

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Speaker 1: Everyone's say I Ian, my dude, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope my audio levels are good. I

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Speaker 1: for you, so you don't have to mute too much.

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Speaker 1: I love you. It's nice that you have that bag

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Speaker 2: Which exactly yeah and straight, just real asmr up in here, Sophie,

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Speaker 2: how you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? Who wrote our theme song? Magfi?

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Speaker 1: It was n woman, unwoman wrote our theme song? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So what happened is I used to write out the

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Speaker 1: opening stuff you need every single time? Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't need to write that out anymore.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, when I'm already writing nine thousand words, I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: skimp on another fifty. So Pride Week as we record this,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, let's do some more gay history. We've

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Speaker 1: usually don't actually time things to Pride month because I'm

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Speaker 1: whatever anyway, if listeners go way back in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: If you if you look on Monday and you're like,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, But the actual reason we're doing is so

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Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with like fuck fourth of July. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: One day, I'm going to do the podcast Lateral Moves

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Speaker 1: of History, and it's going to be about the American

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Speaker 1: lateral Moves of History. But this one's not a lateral move.

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Speaker 1: This one is what came after stonewall, the Gay Liberation Front.

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Speaker 1: You ever you ever heard of the Gay Liberation Front?

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Speaker 2: embarrassingly lacking. No, I mean mine was before I sat down.

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Speaker 2: It's fun because I get to come on Mike and

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Speaker 1: Perfect. So we're going to talk about the Gay Liberation

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Speaker 3: Are you going to call it the GLF or the

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Speaker 1: Things, TLA is m Well, I've been waiting for some

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Speaker 1: the end of our four part are on Stonewall. Stonewall,

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Speaker 1: of formation. Yes, at least in our names. I'm down

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Speaker 1: with the Zone League, the League of Cool Zones, the

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Speaker 1: League of Extraordinary Podcasters. Yes, sir, into it. I'm into it.

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Speaker 1: So there are these assimilationist groups. But even in these

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Speaker 1: It broke the pall of assimilation that had been sitting

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Speaker 1: There've been uprisings before, and there've been activists before, but

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Speaker 1: if we like just fucking overthrow capitalists, imperialism and uh

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Speaker 1: It's one of the things that like, I realize more

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Speaker 2: we can hold our fucking own yeah, and that's how

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Speaker 1: Up to these people. It's like, don't fuck with us. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like when you walk down the street, the way

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Speaker 1: that you carries yourself changes the way that people interact

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Speaker 1: with you. Yes. Completely. I used to when I wore

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Speaker 1: Front, and it actually prefigures the occupy movement in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways. A lot of the ways that they

430
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Speaker 1: are organizing is fairly similar to that. Cells were autonomous,

431
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: and everyone was encouraged to form an act under the banner,

432
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Speaker 1: form a cell, and then act under the banner of

433
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Speaker 1: the GLF. The Marxists in particular were not pleased by

434
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Speaker 1: this method of organizing, and at least one Marxist cell

435
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: wrote that this is what caused the group to fall apart.

436
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: In the end, they might be right. It also might

437
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: be why the GLF was so wildly impactful for the

438
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: years it lasted, because it was this explosion of energy

439
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 1: and all of these different types of people doing all

440
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: of these different types of things and coming together to

441
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: have each other's backs. Most history wants to look at

442
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: the GLF in a vacuum. And they never mentioned that

443
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: they were like radical leftists, that their first protests were

444
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Speaker 1: at a prison. Most only talk about the gay specific stuff.

445
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: What often gets called their first protest, which is still

446
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: a cool protest, but was not. It was the prison thing.

447
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: Their first protest that people talk about was against the

448
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: Village Voice, which is the local alternative paper in Greenwich Village. Yeah,

449
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: it's like, and this actually because I think of the

450
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Speaker 1: Village Voice. You know, I lived in New York in

451
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Speaker 1: the early aughts, right, and you know, village voices like

452
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: the lefty paper, right, sure, and I think it even

453
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: kind of was then, but kind of not the radical

454
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: lefty paper, you know. Sure. So this protest happened on

455
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: September twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, and there are two reasons

456
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Speaker 1: for this picket. They picketed the offices. First, after Stonewall,

457
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: they ran an article called too Much My Dear, Oh

458
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: fuck that. Yeah, it was contemptuous of the riots. It

459
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: accused the queers of harassing cops to fuck off with that. Yeah,

460
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: people would come into arrest them for wearing women's clothes

461
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. Shit, Yeah, that's fucked up. And that article

462
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: used all kinds of slurs not just for the gay people,

463
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: but also well for gay people, but also used all

464
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Speaker 1: kinds of racial slurs for the people of color who

465
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Speaker 1: are gay, who are there, and like the kind of

466
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Speaker 1: slurs that I will not even dream of telling you

467
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: on air. Yeah, no, of course, not horrible shit. Yeah

468
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was not not good. And the

469
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: other reason that they picketed is they actually so they

470
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: banned ads from using the words gay or homosexual because

471
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: those were obscene. Oh my god, one protest soul. Yeah yeah,

472
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: very very progressive, very cool, thank you, village voice. Yeah.

473
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when like if I get censored

474
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Speaker 1: for saying a word that, like if I got censored

475
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter for saying tranny or something, which now I mean, now,

476
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: of course on Twitter you can say that all you want,

477
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: but God forbid you say sis. Yeah yeah, yeah, well

478
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's just a step too far. We all,

479
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: we can all agree. I I can't wait for Twitter

480
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: to just actually announce that straight is a slur. That's oh,

481
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: you're right, that's happening, that's gonna happen. Yeah, Like no,

482
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm I'm normal sexuality. Oh god, like, look,

483
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: you're straight. It's fine. A shiver ran down my spine. Yeah.

484
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: One protest sign from the time sums it up nicely

485
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: from the picket. The sign says Village Voice won't print

486
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: gay and ads, but calls us dikes and faggots. And

487
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, why do they get to say

488
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: actual slurs but you can't say gay? Right? Maybe it's Florida.

489
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh exactly got it. So if I

490
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: had done this are this episode ten years ago, it

491
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: would have been such a like wow, could you imagine

492
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: you imagine? Yes, totally it is that. Yeah.

493
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Speaker 2: It's it's funny how the the slippery slope logic that

494
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Speaker 2: so often gets used for like well, if we start letting,

495
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: if we let the gaze get married, then what's gonna

496
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: happen next? It's just truly been the other way. It's

497
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: been the let's just go in the full slippery slope

498
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: of banning everything, such that saying cis on Twitter is

499
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: bannable offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like what, Yeah, the slippery slope is real,

501
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: just not for who you think it's real for totally totally.

502
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, if we let them come for

503
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: the trance people, they will come for the game. The

504
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: cis game end next, you know, yea and so and

505
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: the GLF. They didn't start by picketing, even does. They

506
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: have this like very fiery name, right, But they're not

507
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: like running around burning things down. They are trying, in

508
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: their way, in all these different ways to get shit done.

509
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: And so they went to the Village Voice and they

510
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: were like, hey, like, let us run the ads that

511
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: they want to run is they want to run ads

512
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: for their dances, right, And the whole point is that

513
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: they have these dances. Yeah, and they have these dances

514
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: so that they don't all have to meet up at

515
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: mafia controlled places, right. And so they go to the

516
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Village Voice and they're like, hey, why can't you say

517
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: all this terrible stuff about us in print? But we

518
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: can't even run ads and say gay. And the Village

519
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: Voice is like, get out of here, you slur or

520
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: whatever you know. And and so they had endless conversations

521
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: with the Village Voice and finally they were like, this

522
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: isn't working. We're picketing you. And it was successful. After

523
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: talking and talking and talking and nothing changed. After a

524
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: single day of picketing, the Voice agreed that ads could

525
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: say gay or homosexual and that the GLF could write

526
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: that people, not just the GLF, that people could write

527
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: in and refute the anti trends, the anti gay articles.

528
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, we're not going to censor.

529
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: You know, We'll still let people write that stuff about you,

530
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: but we'll let you refute it. Great like community notes. Yeah,

531
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: you guys could do community notes on Twitter. We'll still

532
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: let all the stuff sit there, but like you can

533
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: do the community notes. No, that's exactly it. That is

534
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: exactly it, and it no. And newspapers at the time,

535
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I mean, now newspapers are basically dead,

536
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: but like they were the Twitter for hundreds of years,

537
00:28:52,120 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, truly newspapers the Twitter for hundreds of years. Yeah.

538
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a spectacular quote. Thanks. And so a

539
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: letter from a gay man named Kevin Lisco was published

540
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: in The Voice and a quote from it, I just like,

541
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: is we are people with something to fight for. The

542
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: age of the scared Little Queen's is gone. Hail Aquarius.

543
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what means, but it sounds cool. It

544
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: is very tight, Hail aquarius. Yeah, I'm with it, and

545
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I know that in general, the HIPPI has had this

546
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: like the dawning of the Age of Aquarius thing, and

547
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: everything's going to change. I just don't fuck with astrology

548
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: to totally understand. And the article about this action and

549
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: come out there. The glf's magazine was co written by

550
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: a man named Leo Martello, who is described as quote

551
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: at practicing which who kept a boa constrictor under the bed?

552
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Under the bed?

553
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know.

554
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean hopefully it's like a heat lamp.

555
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

556
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, a well cared for boa constrictor

557
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: under the bed. Yeah, yeah, I can only assume. So

558
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: imagine getting out of bed at the boarding. You gotta

559
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: be careful.

560
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: You're like, there's no monster under the bed, and there's

561
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: this like twelve foot snall.

562
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Having somebody over and being like, oh, right by the way,

563
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: before you know, before sex and whatnot, there is the

564
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: snake under.

565
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: The yeah, oh god, And then like, I hope the

566
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: bed is well constructed because otherwise the snake has just

567
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: put on his ear muffs and be like, ugh, there's

568
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: Leo again, just going at it.

569
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Speaker 1: It's cool. I appreciate your right to have gay sex,

570
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: but could you not have it two feet above me? Oh?

571
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: That's so good. That's fucking funny. Poor snake. So they

572
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: had these gay dances and they were incredibly popular. I

573
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: found only found numbers for one. One random one had

574
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: nine hundred people coming to the dance. Yeah that's a dance. Yeah,

575
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: considering all of the other dance stuff that I have

576
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: read about is these like small a mafia controlled bars

577
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: where I can't imagine. Then they're packed to the gills,

578
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine. You're talking about more than like

579
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: two hundred people in one place. And there was a

580
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: split off group called gay Youth that ran dances for

581
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: queers under twenty one, and specifically only for queers under

582
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Speaker 1: twenty one. I guess it wasn't groomers after all. One

583
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: of the whole points of gay Youth was to allow

584
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: an avenue for gay youth to develop their sexuality without

585
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: sleeping with older men, which is like, is some of

586
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the way that gay culture has existed in the twentieth century.

587
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Not that that isn't true of heterosexual society also, but yeah, yeah,

588
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: ain't nothing new. Yeah, Gay Youth wound up with at

589
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: least forty chapters all over the country, and I think

590
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: in other countries as well, I think Canada, maybe the

591
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: UK and many of which many of these chapters consider

592
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: themselves entirely independent from the Gay Liberation Front, they actually

593
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: outlast their parent organization. And this is something that really

594
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: stuck with me. So a lot of these groups outlast

595
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Gay Liberation Front because structuralist structure, even though it isn't

596
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: a good way to make something that's going to last

597
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: for generations, it's a really good tool for incubating affinity

598
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: between various people who then go off and do their

599
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: own thing independently. Right, So people come to the golf

600
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: and then they're like, they find their people, and then

601
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: they go organize. The Gay Liberation Front ran classes at

602
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: a local free university called Alternative View. They didn't run

603
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: this place. That's just a place that existed that they

604
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: made use of. They ran classes on medical care, they

605
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: ran classes on how to squat buildings, they ran classes

606
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: on anti racism, on gay history, on anti sexism, on Marxism,

607
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: and other politics. And you'll be shocked to know that

608
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the Bay Area chapter started really quickly. Also, oh well

609
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, I feel like a lot of

610
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the history stuff is like these like competitions between the

611
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: East Coast and the West Coast to be who can write,

612
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: who can do the like rad thing faster? Sure, sure, sure,

613
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, since I'm from the coast, I always have

614
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: this like a little bit like yeah, it's a little

615
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: bit grittier and we don't have a culture of it,

616
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: but we do it anyway, you know, yes, yes, yes,

617
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: But overall the Bay is like I was like researching

618
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: this and I actually drove into the Bay the other

619
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: day and there's been all this Like I used to

620
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: like kind of not give a shit about like all

621
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: the like sort of assimilations queer stuff, and I honestly

622
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't care all that much about Pride as a parade

623
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. I was like way too cool

624
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: for a lot of that. And I don't know, I

625
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: was like driving into the Bay and up on the

626
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: hill there's just a giant pink triangle, and I'm like,

627
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of a that like matters right now and

628
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: it probably always mattered and I was just an asshole,

629
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: but like it's a good on you, Bay, thanks for

630
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: having a giant pink triangle. As I drive the hell

631
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: city of self driving cars that kill.

632
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: People, at least there is there's some positives, coming out

633
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: of the coming out of the area.

634
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally fun. And so on Halloween nineteen sixty nine,

635
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: so really shortly after the formation of the GLF, sixty

636
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: folks from the GLF and a few other groups get

637
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: together to do this thing. One of the other groups

638
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: is the Committee for Heterosexual Freedom. Sorry Homosexual Freedom, I

639
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: was gonna say, yeah, the Committee for Homosexual Freedom. They're

640
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: kind of cool. They're a group. They are a couple

641
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: months older than the GLF, and they formed to get

642
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: justice for a gay a fired gay employee from a

643
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: steamship company and nice. And they formed because like a

644
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: gay employee was like seen in public or in a

645
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: photo or something like hogging his lover or whatever, God forbid,

646
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: and so the gay the boyfriend was like, you can't

647
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: fuck with my man like that, and started a whole

648
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: ass activist organization to pick at the steamship company for

649
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: fucking with his boyfriend. That's fucking sick. Hell yeah, yeah,

650
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: that's dope. Another one of the groups that's involved in

651
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: this Halloween action is the Gay Gorilla Feeder Group, and

652
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: then another even older gay rights group, the Society for

653
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: Individual Rights, which is such a a classic formation for

654
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: like a gay group right is to be like I mean,

655
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's entirely fine to be.

656
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Like the reason you just kind of can't tell us

657
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: what to do. These are individual rights, like why yes,

658
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: there you go, yeah, and I don't don't. It's like,

659
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: why why does it have to be about sexuality. It's

660
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: about rights in general? Yeah, yeah, which interesting, you know,

661
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: is actually a decent formulation also for understanding like the

662
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: right to like have an abortion or not have an abortion,

663
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: or all kinds of other rights, you.

664
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely rights of the human Yeah, yeah, Okay. So

665
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: they this protest that they all do together is against

666
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: the local paper, the San Francisco Examiner, and it had

667
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: been dosing arrested gay men. A lot of papers, at

668
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: least in LA in the Bay. I bet it was

669
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 2: all over the place, but I've only specifically read about

670
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: papers in the LA and the Bay do that doing this.

671
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: They just name and shame arrested gay men. Right, cruising

672
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: is illegal, like going to a park and trying to

673
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: find other gay men to have sex with is illegal

674
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: at this time. So when men get arrested for that,

675
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: the local papers will print their mugshot and be like, ah,

676
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: do you know Joe's gay, he's one of the gays. Eh,

677
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: here's his address.

678
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: Terrible. Yeah, it's not very nice and yeah no yeah

679
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: no it It wrecked so many people's lives. And it

680
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: was like specifically like a plan to keep people from

681
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: being able to do this, you know, right from like

682
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: meeting other adults to have consensual sexual relations with Yeah

683
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: for real. The gay Also, the Examiner had written a

684
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: slur filled article with the headline the Dreary Revels of

685
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: San Francisco Gay clubs, gay gets scare quotes, and they

686
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: had written it basically to counter the rising gay organizing

687
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: in the city. So the rising gay organizing in the

688
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: city was like, well then fuck.

689
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: You, yeah exactly, thank you for recognizing us.

690
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Fuck you. Yeah. So the is picketed and because everything

691
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: is better when its name sounds metal as hell. As

692
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: we've discussed, this protest is called the Friday of the

693
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: Purple Hand. Wow. Yeah that wow, that goes super hard.

694
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, what else rips? Daniel? Can you

695
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: guess what else rips? Oh?

696
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: Geez uh the uh, the the the Reagan coins as

697
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: they fall from your pocket onto the the the paper

698
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: floor of the the the I don't know something that

699
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: something flimsy that people are standing on.

700
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, products, there's some here's some stuff,

701
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: and we are back.

702
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: Yay.

703
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: We're talking about the Friday of the Purple Hand, which rips.

704
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: Sixty folks show up to this protest and it's a

705
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: peaceful picket. But it's like there's one of these things

706
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: where it's like often people be like it was a

707
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: peaceful protest. People brought eggs to throw at the building,

708
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: which is like, fine, that's not even property destruction. Yeah, yeah,

709
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: that's still extremely peaceful. Yeah. The chance that they had

710
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: was say it loud, we're gay and we're proud. Nice

711
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: and I know. So two newspaper men climbed up on

712
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: the roof and dropped bags of purple ink onto them

713
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: from the roof of the building. Oh yeah, so the

714
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: gay folks gave up and went home dejected. Just kidding.

715
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: They they were like, great, we look awesome, now, yeah

716
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.

717
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: They dipped their hands in the ink. It was like

718
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: kind of like all over them, splashed a little bit.

719
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like fifty gallon barrels. It wasn't like ash,

720
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a Nickelodeon sliming. But it is also

721
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: funny because it's like clearly them initiating the actual property destruction,

722
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: the actual graffica.

723
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yes, so they like they dipped the bricks out, Yeah, totally.

724
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: It's like dropping bricks but missing, and they're like, the

725
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: bricks now no. Yeah, So they dipped their hands in

726
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: the ink and then left their handprints all over the

727
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: walls of the building and also nearby buildings. One version

728
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: of the stories that they like then went through downtown

729
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: left purple hand prints everywhere. Another version says it was

730
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: mostly in this area I don't know. And then they

731
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: use the purple ink to scrawl gay power and other

732
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: slogans on the wall of the building. Oh yeah. So

733
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: the police show up, and of course they're like, oh no,

734
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: people dropping things from rooftops. That's the real danger. I'm

735
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: just kidding. They went after the queers and beat the

736
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: shit out of people. A dozen people were arrested. One

737
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: protester lost their front teeth. Oh yeah, there is like

738
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: not just a yeah, it was bad. Another suffered terrible yeah.

739
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Another suffered a broken rib. The gays fought back. At

740
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: least one cop caught a picket sign over his head.

741
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: Another the only person who's fell any charges later stick

742
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: bit a cop. Hell yeah, contributing to the metalness of

743
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: the causes. Yeah, exactly. God if that had happened in

744
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: the eighties, could you imagine extremely extremely metal. Yeah. I

745
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: think cops getting bit is going to wind up on

746
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: cool people bingo at this point, because I think it

747
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: was like two weeks ago or yeah, it was like

748
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: two weeks ago that a grandma in England. Not go,

749
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: it was nineteen thirty six, but two weeks ago and

750
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: cool people time, I had it. We had an episode

751
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: a weeks ago grandma been a police Officeah, now down

752
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: to the bone a grandmother. Oh, because the cop was

753
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: protecting fascists in nineteen thirty six in England. Oh well

754
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: fuck that guy. Ok, Yeah, well there you go. Uh anyway,

755
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: so the rest of the crowd they go, they immediately

756
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: move from the building the examiner to city Hall to

757
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: protest the arrests, and three more of them get arrested

758
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: at city Hall protesting, and I think what happens there

759
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: is that they like don't leave. They're like, oh, the

760
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: building's closed, you got to leave, And then they like

761
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: just arrest them. This was in the end a massive

762
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: win for gay liberation. This protest, it mobilized people, a

763
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: lot of people, and it in particular, it actually mobilized

764
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: the the gay assimilationist old guard who had kind of

765
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: been like, oh, we don't know about this liberation stuff, right.

766
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: They just wanted everything to be like peaceful and get along.

767
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: And then they were like, oh, that's not going to work,

768
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: is it.

769
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Right.

770
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: So the Daughters of Belitis helped the felony arrestees find

771
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: lawyers and spoke out in support of those facing charges

772
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: because when the chips were down, they knew what side

773
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: they were on. It's probably a mixed metaphor ships being

774
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: down and side anyway, One arrestee wrote, I was scared

775
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: and felt alone in jail until I learned of the

776
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: help mobilized outside. And that's something every movement needs to internalize.

777
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: Amen Slowly, more and more papers stop running anti gay

778
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: hit pieces. This is not overnight, and this is not

779
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: because of this one action, but because of action after action,

780
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: and because of more and more people coming out, which

781
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: is one of the main things. We'll talk about that

782
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: in a little bit.

783
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Mancho for just one second, Yeah, just about the day

784
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: of the Purple Hands, you know, especially since you know

785
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: people were literally like painting, quote unquote painting the town

786
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: with purple hands. Is there any preservation of that in

787
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: San Francisco, is still to this day like a paper

788
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: or are their purple hands around the city or anywhere

789
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: for that matter.

790
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about in San Francisco. I know that

791
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of different queer groups around the world, including

792
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: Australia and then one in Eastern Europe somewhere, named themselves

793
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: like the Purple Hand and things like that. Nice. There

794
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: was also apparently I couldn't find a source on this.

795
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: Apparently for a little while, people started sending threatening letters

796
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: that instead of like the black hand as like the

797
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: like mark that the pirates are going to kill you,

798
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: they would send like purple hands to people who are

799
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: being bigots. That's pretty cool, I know. I want to

800
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: It's not in the script because I couldn't find an

801
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: actual source on it. Sure, but I want to believe.

802
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm committing that to my canon memory of yeah, of

803
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: this movement.

804
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. I actually I think it

805
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: would be interesting someone knows, and it would be cool

806
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: if San Francisco did when I first there's so many

807
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: things that are just sort of like throw away lines.

808
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: If you read like the history of the Gay Libration Front,

809
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh, and then they protest San Francisco

810
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Examiner and some people are arrested. And then it's like

811
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: the more you dive into it, the more the story

812
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: opens up, and you start realizing how impactful this was

813
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: to the area. You know, And these days the San

814
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: Francisco Examiner is actually one of the better sources about

815
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: this thing that happened. They run articles. In twenty nineteen,

816
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: they ran an article about that was like we were

817
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of this, Like that's good, I

818
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: mean good, yeah, And you know, they're also like almost

819
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: everyone who works for this paper wasn't born when this happened,

820
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: all a bunch of progressive queers, like you know, which

821
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: is like one of the ways we win. It's kind

822
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: of assimilationist to me to say, maybe whatever, but like, well,

823
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: now we're just like everywhere, like we've always been everywhere,

824
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: but now we're out and everywhere and the greatest achievement

825
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: of the golf, at least according to some of the founders.

826
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: I listened to an interview with was that they changed

827
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: the politics of the new left and of leftism and

828
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: progressive in general, which then left a massive mark on

829
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: the mainstream culture of America within two years. In order

830
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously as a radical, you had to

831
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: accept gay rights in a similar way that like when

832
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of these organizations start, they would be like

833
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: really sexist, right, and then immediately people are like, you

834
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: just can't do that. You have to take women's liberation seriously,

835
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: and it got through people's thick skulls or and the

836
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: same thing happened with gay rights and more and more

837
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: people in the anti war movement, black power in Puerto

838
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: Rican power movements, all these people came out of the closet.

839
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: Like the GLF would just go to table anti war

840
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: conferences and they just have a table that's like basically

841
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: like full of stuff that's like, hey, you know, you

842
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: can just like be gay right, and people are like,

843
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: oh shit, thank god, and then they would all come

844
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: out height and they also tried to tie in anti

845
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: war and like women's lib and and gay rights stuff.

846
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: Altogether they had chance like one, two, three, four, we

847
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: don't want your macho war and slogans like come out

848
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: against war and depression, which is very nice, little clever

849
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: play on words. I would never have if I didn't

850
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: read this in this context with something that's come out

851
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: against war impression, I wouldn't realize that they mean like

852
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: come out of the closet. But you know, and since

853
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: gays weren't allowed in the military, you get people with

854
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: T shirts that's things like suck cock to beat the draft.

855
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Speaker 1: That ribs. Yeah, that is very cool. Yeah. And the

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Speaker 1: other big accomplishment that gets attributed to the USGLF is

857
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Speaker 1: that their direct action intervention against the American Psychiatric Association

858
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Speaker 1: led to homosexuality being delisted as a disorder in nineteen

859
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Speaker 1: seventy three. Nice the GLF, Yeah, no, I yeah. The

860
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Speaker 1: GLF fell apart as various groups split off to do

861
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Speaker 1: their own thing, and some of them came to odds

862
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Speaker 1: at odds with one another. But people keep trying to

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Speaker 1: look at the GOLF as like on its own right,

864
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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, it fell apart because of these reasons.

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Speaker 1: But I think you have to look at it. The

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Speaker 1: entire New Left fell apart in the early seventies. This

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Speaker 1: was not the Golf and its structuralist structure or you know,

868
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Speaker 1: arguments about drag queens and stuff that I'll get into

869
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Speaker 1: very soon. It's the New Left fell apart, and every

870
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Speaker 1: single radical group at the time fell apart due to

871
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Speaker 1: combination of repression and co intel, pro growing apathy, internal divisions,

872
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Speaker 1: and also people just like kind of like kind of

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Speaker 1: selling out or whatever. And the GLF was not unique

874
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Speaker 1: and actually, like all these other movements, things came out

875
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: of them. They were this fertile soil. Eventually, the GLF

876
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Speaker 1: was supplanted by the far more orderly Gay Activist Alliance

877
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: the GAA, which used Robert's Rules of Orders to run

878
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: its meetings and was single issue about gay rights. And

879
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: the GAA wasn't counter to the GLF. There was a

880
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Speaker 1: lot of overlap between these groups. The public didn't really

881
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: understand the difference though, so the GAA every time they'd

882
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Speaker 1: have an action, people would be like, you GLF bastards,

883
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Speaker 1: and they'd be like, God damn it. With the GAA,

884
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Speaker 1: new ones, what do you do? The People's Judea movement

885
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Speaker 1: of the Monty Python reference for anyone, Ah, yes, I'm

886
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Speaker 1: like if I just say, I'm like, if I don't

887
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Speaker 1: get it right, and people are gonna wonder why I'm

888
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Speaker 1: bringing Jude into it reference the Life of Brian, which

889
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Speaker 1: is gonna come up in the many Python's coming into this.

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Speaker 1: It is yeah, yeah, cool, okay. But and so the

891
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: GAA kept fighting their headquarters were destroying a fire in

892
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, but that didn't take it out. They

893
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: kept They had to protest against the Village Voice again

894
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five. There was also a group called

895
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: the Lavender Menace, which is a lesbian group that started

896
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Speaker 1: as a combo move from the GLF and the National

897
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Speaker 1: Organization for Women. Later they changed their name to the

898
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Speaker 1: Radical Lesbians one word with an L, one L in

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Speaker 1: the middle. Oh, and there's another group that came out

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00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: of the GLF that I particularly want to talk about, though,

901
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Speaker 1: the Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries or Star Nice and we're

902
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Speaker 1: going to talk about them on Wednesday. Yay. Wow, brilliant

903
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Speaker 1: conclusion to the episode. Thank you, thank you. I'm always

904
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Speaker 1: I'm working on my cliffhangers, you know, Yeah, I was. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I was sitting on the edge of my seat just like, oh, cool, name,

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Speaker 2: what's up with them? And then boom, you don't get

907
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Speaker 2: to know. Yeah, you can't google it. Between now and

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Speaker 2: then I shan't.

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Speaker 1: I simply shall not. Well you don't have to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but if people want to know more about you, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: oh me, oh gosh, DJ Danel, you can find me.

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: I did the thing so when Ian and I were

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Speaker 2: never mind doesn't matter. I did the thing of deciding

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Speaker 2: to brand myself consistently. It's DJ Underscore Daniel d A

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Speaker 2: n L on everything. So if you're looking for me

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, that's where I am. Instagram that's where I am.

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Speaker 2: If you want to find me on Twitch, twitch, dot tv, slash,

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Speaker 2: DJ Underscore Danel a stream Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun over there. We do a

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Speaker 2: bunch of umb ship and most of my stream is

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Speaker 2: dedicated to giving you the viewer, the ability to fuck

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Hell yeah, Sophie, you got anything.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I love you, Daniel, Daniel's the best.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you're I'm so glad you're here. Yeah me, Tim,

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Oh, you have plenty of time to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Magpie, Well this week and this week only, unless

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this in the future, in which case

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Speaker 1: you missed the kickstartter Miss, I am kickstarting a tabletop

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Speaker 1: various groups of people coming together trying and overthrow the

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Speaker 1: God Gang, or just hang out and eat mushrooms and

943
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Speaker 1: however you want to play your tabletop role playing game.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Number City. It's on Kickstarter right now.

946
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Speaker 1: We've unlocked more stretch goals than we originally came up with.

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Speaker 1: going to get now on top of that, a full

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Speaker 1: color map of the city. Because we just right before

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Speaker 1: recording this hit our I'm going to say our last

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Speaker 1: stretch goal, but we actually have one stretch goal that's

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Speaker 1: like kind of our fake stretch goal, which is that

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Speaker 1: we've managed to get one hundred thousand dollars. We're going

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Speaker 1: to have a hot tub party where we all costplay

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Speaker 1: and eat pizza. You're not invited, but we'll live stream it,

961
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Speaker 1: but we're going to have it. Yeah, but we'll live

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Speaker 1: stream it and dope and that one's the joke one.

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Speaker 1: But if we do hit that, we will do it

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Speaker 1: and I'll see you all on Wednesday. Bye bye.

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