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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Recently, we've gotten the

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Speaker 2: interview Peg and Mel from this latest season of The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. They are a happy couple operating in this world,

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Speaker 2: traveling and having fun. You can watch them on their

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Speaker 2: social media's as they promote and share what they've been

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Speaker 2: up to. These have been big interviews because they haven't

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Speaker 2: done a ton of interviews, and so we got to

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Speaker 2: get that. We had the opportunity to interview both of

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Speaker 2: them separately. There's a lot to break down, a lot

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Speaker 2: to discuss because this season was one that was maybe

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Speaker 2: not controversial, but polarizing in the fact that it was

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Speaker 2: unlike anything we've seen. They had asked us Ashley to

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Speaker 2: come on, they reached out and as Mel shared, Hey,

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Speaker 2: it feels like it's not a Bachelor season unless you

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Speaker 2: do the Almost Famous podcast. And for that Mel I

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Speaker 2: fully agree. So let's talk about it, Ashley. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with the Peg interviews. So much came out of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so many things that I've been tossing over since we

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Speaker 2: talked with her. Obviously, her relationship with Mel is it

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Speaker 2: fits especially interviewing the both of them, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: going to start with saying it makes sense on how

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Speaker 2: they are together.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, now that we've interviewed PEG specifically, I understand why

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Speaker 3: the two of them are together. They definitely are like

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Speaker 3: no sugarcoating people. They are very blunt, They're super straightforward.

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Speaker 2: To the point. I think I would describe them both

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Speaker 2: as being very much to the point.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And they definitely had the same relationship goals, and

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Speaker 3: I think that was a good match. I think their

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Speaker 3: personalities match. Neither of them are warm and fuzzies, and

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Speaker 3: I mean it makes sense and I'm glad that they

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Speaker 3: found each other. I don't if you want to talk

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Speaker 3: directly about what came out of the PEG interview, the

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Speaker 3: moment that was I don't even want to say controversial,

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Speaker 3: but I think there still was like a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a misunderstanding. Is that you were saying. I was saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, you guys went on a show where it's

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Speaker 3: usually very ultra romantic with the ending supposedly ending with

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Speaker 3: the happily ever after, we're of a fairy tale situation

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Speaker 3: and less of a Okay, we're going to date and

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Speaker 3: we're going to see how this works out, and we

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Speaker 3: are totally fine you and I like, actually, I personally

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Speaker 3: have thought, especially with the Golden franchise. I think with

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Speaker 3: Jones season and I think with Gary season. I was like,

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Speaker 3: especially Gary and Teresa running into the marriage, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why these people are running into marriage.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't make any sense. They don't want to have kids,

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Speaker 3: they're not trying to create a life together. They're just

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Speaker 3: en trying to like enjoy their twilight whatever years, golden years,

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Speaker 3: certain years, golden years with somebody as a companion. And

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Speaker 3: it was just it was interesting how I felt like

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Speaker 3: defensive peg got because you were not at all belittling

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Speaker 3: the relationship that they have, Like their relationship seems great

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Speaker 3: and very compatible, and you're so happy that they found

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Speaker 3: a compatible relationship through the process. But I think what

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Speaker 3: you were trying to say was that, like neither of

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Speaker 3: them went in with like romantic aspirations to have this

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Speaker 3: fairy tale happily ever after. They're both being very pragmatic

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Speaker 3: and logical about it, and we totally respect that, but

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Speaker 3: we just thought it was an interesting choice that both

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Speaker 3: of them would go that path to find it.

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Speaker 2: Well. One hundred percent goodness. I don't I think all season.

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, we couldn't be watching this show

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Speaker 2: unless we wanted it to work out at some level. However,

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Speaker 2: it works out, and I think I think we've said

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Speaker 2: for years that sometimes the show just needs to end

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Speaker 2: and two people going, Hey, let's date, let's figure this out.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad I met you here, but this isn't

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Speaker 2: a catalyst for me to get married. And I understand

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Speaker 2: that I've been a part of it. You know, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't work out all the time, and so there was

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Speaker 2: no blitting belittling of their relationship. I think the relationship

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Speaker 2: makes sense. It fits. I think Ashley, and if we

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Speaker 2: ever bring PEG back on, I would say this to her.

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Speaker 2: After thinking through that interview, I got tired of I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to say offended by, because I'm not easily

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Speaker 2: offended by any means. People can say what they want.

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Speaker 2: I just got tired of the idea. It felt like

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Speaker 2: I was being told I don't have the wisdom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we saw that in Instagram comments from her

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Speaker 3: as well, that you and I both don't have a

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Speaker 2: And that's where I get I will get protective because

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Speaker 2: I married Jessica, I love Jessica, I have a baby,

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Speaker 2: and that is a forever commitment. Now factors come in,

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Speaker 2: like she said, the loss of a spouse, I would

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Speaker 2: still define that as a forever relationship. You were till

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Speaker 2: death do us part. And divorce I don't even want

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Speaker 2: to speak into it because it is not a word

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Speaker 2: we use in our house. It is not an idea.

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Speaker 2: In my mind, it was not what I was thinking

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Speaker 2: when I got up and committed to my wife. Does

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Speaker 2: divorce happen one hundred percent? It does, and everybody's situations differently.

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Speaker 2: But I think I was tired of the whole conversation

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Speaker 2: being like, you just don't get it yet, and I'm like, well, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm not your age. I've not been through what you've

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Speaker 2: been through, and I would admit to that. But when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the sacredness of my vows, my love

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying she was telling me I wasn't going

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Speaker 2: to have any of those things. I didn't say that,

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Speaker 2: but it did feel like it was insinuating you just

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Speaker 2: don't get it yet. And what I want to say

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Speaker 2: wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age. Maybe I do have

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Speaker 2: the wisdom. Maybe I'm a different person than you. We

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Speaker 2: all have our own life experiences, and I think that

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Speaker 2: was where that conversation switched for me. Whereas it felt

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Speaker 2: like at a time, I had to protect the household,

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Speaker 2: and when you put me in a place to protect

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Speaker 2: my household, I will get more defensive. I will get

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Speaker 2: more blunt and straightforward. I don't appreciate being told that

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Speaker 2: I don't have the wisdom to know what my relationship

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Speaker 2: will bring. I know the love that my wife and

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Speaker 2: I have with each other. I know the person she is,

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Speaker 2: and I know the commitments we've made. And so as

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Speaker 2: a result, I will live in that truth and I

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Speaker 2: will not I think it's actually unwise for anybody to

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Speaker 2: tell somebody you just don't get it yet, actually when

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Speaker 2: they're living in a season like I am. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's where I got to protective. That's where I'll get defensive,

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Speaker 2: and I'll stand by that. I think it's unfair. I

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Speaker 2: think at some level that's which needs to change. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't saying at all that I was belitterally in their relationship.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to know the like you said, what was

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Speaker 2: their mindset going into this, because I do think as

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Speaker 2: to PEG. I said, hey, maybe we need to change

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Speaker 2: the expectations for the Golden Show specifically.

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Speaker 3: Right, I think the Golden Show specifically. Yes, I think

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Speaker 3: getting engaged at the end of the Golden Show, especially

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Speaker 3: since it's being short and because I think that people

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Speaker 2: And that's fine with me. I'm good with that. Like

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Speaker 2: I just want to be I want us to know that, right,

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Speaker 2: the Bachelor and Bachelor have had a commitment with the

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Speaker 2: ring maker since the beginning. Do I think that's healthy?

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Speaker 2: Not at all. I've never once said everybody needs to

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Speaker 2: get engaged think of this, However, I do think people

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Speaker 2: least they're interested in marriage.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that changes with the Golden and If that's the case, great,

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Speaker 2: it's just a different show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, you and I just come from very different perspectives.

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Speaker 3: And I do think that the audience, even if they're

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Speaker 3: And I think that Peg and in Mail both they

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Speaker 3: don't lead with romance. And you and I just wanted,

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Speaker 3: you know, we were just speaking, yeah, like we're romantic,

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Speaker 3: like that's and we also come from different perspectives whereas

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Speaker 3: like both of our parents are so very happily married

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Speaker 2: Not every story is the same. Their story, God willing,

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Speaker 2: is going to look differently than mine. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: that their story is any less important or any less valuable.

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Speaker 2: They're learning from their own experiences. However, our stories may

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Speaker 2: where my wisdom comes from is that in a marriage

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Speaker 2: like I have, here's the fruits of this. They're saying

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Speaker 2: their fruits look differently. That's great. I felt though during

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Speaker 2: trying to teach me something that I don't want to learn.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to open my mind up

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Speaker 2: want to be told that my story is going to

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Speaker 2: look the same as yours. Now, outside of that piece

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Speaker 2: of the PEG interview, it does feel like Ashley Melon

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Speaker 2: Peg have this wonderful relationship. They're having fun together. They

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Speaker 2: maybe I was wrong, and goodness, I do. I get defensive,

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Speaker 2: I get sensitive, I get you know, on the back

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Speaker 2: of my toes, especially when you start talking about my

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Speaker 2: family and the life that I've chosen and the life

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Speaker 2: maybe I was wrong for that, and if so, I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry that I misread that situation. That's just what I

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Speaker 2: was feeling at the time. My feelings are not always correct.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like since then, the comments on social

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Speaker 2: media especially have pointed to know that was exactly what

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Speaker 2: was trying to be communicated to me and to you,

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Speaker 2: and as a result, I will protect that. I will

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Speaker 2: say that's wrong, it's not right, not wise of you

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Speaker 2: to tell me. But that being a side, if I

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Speaker 2: knew both of them previously before the show, oh you

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Speaker 2: put them together, I would say, you guys are the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Actually, you know what's so funny is you and

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Speaker 3: I come more from like the Cindy romantic, softer perspective,

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Speaker 3: and with Cindy, I would I would love to have

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Speaker 3: Cindy back off the show to talk to her about

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Speaker 3: these and maybe about these interviews just to be spicy,

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Speaker 3: but also as a divorce ay herself how she looks

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Speaker 3: at love, because I do think that her perspective is

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Speaker 3: a whole totally different one from us and from the

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Speaker 3: two of them, So that would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: It does make sense on why Cindy left, though, I

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Speaker 2: see that now more than ever she should have left

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Speaker 2: the show. She was not the one for.

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Speaker 3: Mel, absolutely not. I'm actually even more curious after doing

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Speaker 3: the interview with Mel, how she even got to herself

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Speaker 3: to the point emotionally to fall for him because they

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Speaker 3: are so deeply incompatible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it seems like it had to be Peg

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Speaker 2: Like where are you? Where is your head at right now?

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to know what in the world we watched.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's just like they were two

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Speaker 2: We're happy. We're happy. Any other takeaways from the interview

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Speaker 2: I suppose, I would say, and I think both sides

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Speaker 2: Are we even close to maybe making this thing? Makes sense?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't ask him directly if it was an ego, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the closing of the chain after on the

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Speaker 2: It was just I think the thing that stood out

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Speaker 2: to me the most with the PEG interview was that

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Speaker 2: it felt like I was trying to be told something

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Speaker 2: and I wasn't down for it, and I'm not down

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Speaker 2: for it still, But that's it. Everything else. It's great

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Speaker 2: to see those two together. I hope they live happily

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Speaker 2: ever after. Until next time, I've been Ben, I've.

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Speaker 3: Been Ashley Siah.

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