WEBVTT - How Fever Dreams Work 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey, everybody, stuff you should know is going on tour. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:08.119 Do do do one of the deeds, my friend. Okay, 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.920 So starting August eighth in Toronto, that's in Canada. We're 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.320 gonna be at dan Fourth Music Hall. And then Chicago, 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.800 we're gonna be there the next night, August nine, at 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:20.320 the Harris Theater at Chicago. We want to see your faces. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.000 Step it up, Step it Up. Vancouver or the Vote 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.320 Theater September. That's gonna be a great show, I think, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.600 don't you. It's gonna be a great of one. And 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.920 then in Minneapolis at the Pantageous Theater where we've been before. 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.840 It's lovely September. Yeah, and then we're gonna swing down 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.800 to Austin. It's gonna be during Austin City Limits, although 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.360 it has nothing to do with Austin City limits. Will 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.479 be there October ten, yes, and then we're going to 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.279 Lovely Lawrence, Kansas go Jayhawks, yeah on October eleventh. And hey, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.800 if you're in Kansas City or anywhere in that area, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.440 this is your chance. Get in your car. Yeah. Uh, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.240 if you are anywhere near Brooklyn, well then you should 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.720 go to the Bellhouse October. Will be there all three nights, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:02.800 and finally, we're gonna wrap it up here in Atlanta 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.600 at the Bucket Theater on November four for a benefit 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.720 show where we are donating all of the money's to 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.800 Lifeline Animal Project of Atlanta and the National Down Syndrome Society. Yep. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.520 So for all this information again visually and for links 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.759 two tickets, just go to s y s K Live 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:26.040 dot com. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:35.200 Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.319 How are you? I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Priyant, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.959 There's Jerry. Jerry's got a salad. Everything is normal, which 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:46.560 means it's time. There's stuff you should know. That's right, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.320 Jerry's got the schwarmest special she said, Oh really, yeah, 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.120 she loves it. How you doing. I'm good man, feeling 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.720 despite myself kind of relaxed. Okay, I'm not feeling feverish. 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.760 If that's what you're driving at. No, that's not what 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.120 I was driving at. Uh yeah, no I'm not. Do 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.640 you get fevers a lot? No, not anymore. Although I 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.160 haven't for a long time, like I've never been like 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:15.000 a fever person. I've probably had like a handful. Maybe. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.440 How many fevers have you had? Not a ton since 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.880 I was a kid. Yeah, not a lot of adult fevers. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:26.119 I mean I've had like, uh, hip hop fever, rock 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.040 and roll fever, yellow fever. I've had the fever for 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.040 a flavor of a pringle. Oh Man, me too. What 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.000 are those? Those aren't even potato chips? Are they? Their 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.079 potato crisps? And those are good. They're mashed together potato parts. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.400 I don't think I want to know how those are made. No, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.040 it's like chicken McNuggets. I think a unicorn just poops 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.519 them out. Have you seen unicorn pizza? It's a little much. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.480 There's a restaurant in New York, I'm not quite sure where, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.720 maybe lowery Side. They have unicorn pizza. It's like um 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.600 dough okay, good start um, like a nice pestel colored 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:08.680 frosting instead of sauce. UM, A mound of cotton candy, um, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:13.160 nerds or pop rocks maybe um, and then some other stuff. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.840 Supposedly it tastes kind of good. I'll eat anything that 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.480 has enough frosting on it. I like frosting, but I'm 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.200 not into like sugary candies. Really like nerds. And pop 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.200 rocks and stuff. You know, I did a brain stuff 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.520 once on pop rocks and that was interesting. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.839 your tongue actually warms the pop rocks to the point 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.400 where they melt. And since they have C O two 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.720 trapped inside during the manufacturing process, that c O two 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.400 suddenly is released in a pop So it's just a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.560 little bubble of C two. That's gotta be good for you. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:52.080 I'm sure it's funny. My head of roommate in college, like, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.560 not many adults eat candy, Like people eat chocolate and 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.839 stuff like that, candy bars, but candy candy, I don't 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.800 know when adults is just a little strange. Yeah, do 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.760 be candy? Sure? Like what mentos? Not mint mentos? Like 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.680 candy mentos. I like those. Well. I had a roommate 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.920 that would go to the convenient store next and this 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.280 is college granted, but he still eats the stuff, I think, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:21.560 and he would go with like fifteen dollars and buy 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.040 you know, like giant sweet tarts. You know it's big 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:30.560 chewable ones and like uh, fun dip and nerds and 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.800 just all kinds of candy fun dip, remember liquor made 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.520 there's the same thing I think, Yeah, it's just right, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.800 Like I don't have a foot, but I've got my 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.000 Lika made. Oh man, can you can you guys out 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.800 there in podcast lantel over stalling because we are big time, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.279 because we happened upon a topic that no one really 0:04:54.360 --> 0:05:00.400 knows what's what? Yeah, I mean we're talking about fever dreams. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.839 We know about fevers, yep, kind of know about dreams, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.600 but apparently no one's really gotten to work on figuring 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:16.000 out what fever dreams themselves are. So it's largely anecdotal. Yeah, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:17.840 so you're gonna have to bear with us something. We'll 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.839 leave it. We'll leave that there for now. But I 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.080 guess a good place to start is by talking about 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.120 both those things separately. Uh, and starting with fevers. You 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.520 know you've always heard ninety eight point six fahrenheit is 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:38.839 the normal internal body temperature of human um. That in 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.440 that was a big study that that is really ninety 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.640 eight point two what um, depending on like how old 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.760 you are, what time of day it is, what you're 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.640 doing where you If you put it in your butt 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.960 or in your under your armpit, or in your mouth 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.080 or in your ear, or all of them at once, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.040 that'd be something else. Uh, it can vary a little bit. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.080 So I think there is a bit of a slight 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.320 sliding scale to that number. Yeah, for sure. But I 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.000 think the key is is it's going to be roughly 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.920 around there. And even if you have an average body 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.080 temperature that's not exactly ninet eight point six, let's say 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:21.359 you typically tend towards five run cooler. Yeah, your body 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.600 temperatures still during the average day gonna fluctuate plus or 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.039 minus about a degree fair height either way. Yeah, So 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.960 I looked a little bit into the ninety eight point 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.040 six and the original um dude that came up with 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:38.400 that was a a German physician named Carl Reinholdt August Vondelick. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.799 That was good, a good one. When eight sixty eight 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.479 he wrote a book, Well he did his studies where 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.800 he had this temperature rod he would stick under the 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.760 armpits of all these people. He's like, where do you 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.440 want that exactly? And everyone went said, everyone always says, 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:02.000 you know the comedian Rory Scoville, No, he should just 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.440 check him out. He does these weird things, like he'll 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.760 just do his whole routine with the German accent, like 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.120 for no reason, whatsoever. I like the sound of that. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:16.280 And he did one about stealing old people, like kidnapping 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.280 old people. For the German accent. He's from South Carolina, 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.560 I think, but he's done shows with like a severe 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.760 Southern accent and one just normal accent, and he'll do 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.200 a German thing. He just like people, I guess. So 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:34.360 he's great. He's one of my favorites. So anyway, UM 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.160 sixty eight he wrote a book called after these experiments, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:46.080 called doshen Elkin Pharma and kind can Heighten. And I 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.480 looked at It's funny. The real translation I think of 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.480 that is on the temperature in diseases, but if you 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.360 type in Google Translate, it comes out as the behavior 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:03.800 of the intrinsically warm in sick units. That's the subtitle. Yeah, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.440 So anyway, he's a guy that came up with ninety 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.520 eight point six and that stood for a long time. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.760 But that's just so that was just based on his observations, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.560 his study, and it's stuck. It was an average. It 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.480 wasn't like this is what you should be. It was 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.640 just the average of all these people. And then hundred 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.239 thirty years later we finally got around to verifying whether 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.080 that was actually true or not. Well, I mean it 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.400 says a ninety two that they said it was ninety 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.640 eight point two from another study, but then everything I 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.920 still read says point six. So all right, well, I 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.720 know what you're talking about, though I had heard in 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.280 the last few years that they're like that point six 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.160 jazz is kind of kind of made upright, So, um, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.440 the point is is that your body is going to 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.000 be roughly somewhere around there, right, that's your normal body temperature, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.640 and then depending on the time of day, it's either 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.200 going to be a little cooler in that or a 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.360 little warmer than that. And our body temperatures are regulated 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.880 by something called the hypothalamus. And like I said, depending 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.160 on the time of day, your body temperature is gonna fluctuate, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.360 and that's tied to sleep apparently, so as your body 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.439 temperature is rising, usually in the late afternoon, is about 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.199 where it peaks during the day. That's associated with wakefulness 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.240 alertness not necessarily just having a high body temperature, but 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:23.520 an incline in the temperature in your body means you're awake, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.800 you're alert, you're ready to go right, ready for action. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.920 If once it starts to decline, that's associated with drowsiness, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:37.320 and it hits it's um, it's trough. Your body temperature 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.199 is at its lowest right about before you wake up, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.160 and that's actually associated with R E. M. Sleep. So 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.200 there are some some stuff starting to come out. Just 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.800 bear with us, everybody. We're laying the groundwork. So your 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.760 body temperature changes, the hypothalamus is directing the whole thing, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:59.640 and sleep and wakefulness has something to do. It's related 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.680 to your body temperature changes. All right, good night, you 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.520 take it from here. Well, you know what, let's take 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.040 a break because I'm not sure where I should go. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:33.880 We'll be right back. Okay, I was being coy, you 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:39.160 said stage very nicely. Okay. Uh So, if your body 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.680 gets let's say, some bad bacteria gets in it, and 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:50.320 your body is alerted warning intruder is coming, your immune 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:56.239 system kicks into gear and it starts producing this biochemical 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:01.439 material called a pyrogeny. This is my new favorite thing 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.800 the body does. Yeah, well you knew that before, right 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.839 or did you just not know the mechanism. I mean, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.240 I knew humans get fevers, and I knew the fever 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.800 was to kind of like cook out everything. I didn't 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.800 understand the mechanism. I understand answer your question, then, oh yeah, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:23.240 can I So these pyrogen's, right, they are um these 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.640 biochemical markers that are released by the immune system in 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.240 the body or and this is why I love this. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.520 There's some bacterias, some pathogens that make humans sick that 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.840 produce pyrogen's naturally. So when they show up, they just 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.040 start releasing them, and they just give themselves away. It's 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.080 they're big dummies in that way. They're like, hey, where's 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.800 the party. They kick open the door. They're carrying like 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.120 a pony keg under one arm, their guts sticking out. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.440 It's just that that's that's like that kind of bacteria, right. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.400 So the pyrogans enter the bloodstream and they travel to 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.240 the hypothalamus because remember the hypothal mis controls your um 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.080 your body temperature, and this is what they do, Chuck, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.240 are you ready for what the pyrogens do. They go 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:15.200 to your hypothalamus and they dampen the heat sensing neurons 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.480 and the hypothalamus, and they excite the cold sensing neurons 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.520 and your hypothalamus, and they trick your hypothalamus in the 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.000 thinking your body is suddenly gotten very very cold, so 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.560 that your hypothalamus turns the temperature up and says, don't 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.800 let any of this heat out. We gotta we gotta 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.880 warm back up. It tricks your body and your hypothalamus 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.760 and creating a fever. That's right. And they do this 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.160 because well they don't do this because but what happens 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.240 from there. They do this because they're dumb. But what 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.640 happens from there is, like you said, the fever, what 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.760 a fever is, and why you want that fever for 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.640 at least a little while that it does. It's it's 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:57.199 trying to cook and burn and bake that bacteria until 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.280 it dies. It is your body's fighting. Like when you hear, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.600 you know, like your fever broke, that's usually a good sign. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.240 That means yeah, right, that your fever did its job 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.560 and it's cooked all that bacteria up and you're going 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.240 to be on the men soon. Uh So basically that's 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.480 what's happening. And this is the great thing about a fever. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.000 But um, you know, fever makes you feel like crap 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.160 because it's a lot of hard work to kill all 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.280 those things. Well it is, there's a lot of um. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.000 Your sympathetic nervous system is kicked into high gear, which 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.040 I found out is one reason why they say you 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.120 want to feed a cold starve a fever because you 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.760 don't want to introduce digestion because it requires the parasympathetic 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.280 nervous system, right fight or flight, and you don't want 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.360 those two things going on while your body has a fever. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.600 It's just a lot of extra work for it, right, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.480 But one of the one of the things that is 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.320 going on when your body has a fever, when that 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.600 temperature rises, it's hard enough on your organs, but it's 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.360 also hard on the level just the fact that they're 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.280 operating outside of their normal operating temperature, and that makes 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.880 it very hard on them and can actually cook some 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.920 of the ingredients inside yourselves. Yeah, I mean, it's like 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.400 working in a too hot of an environment. It's just 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.200 it's never fun for anyone. Although we've got some people 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.839 love that stuff, yeah, but they're still they might like it, 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.960 but they still aren't working fast. They might be happy, 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.080 but they're slow. So if you have a fever, what's 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:30.160 considered a fever now, if you're an adult and your 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.800 oral temperature is above one point four or if your 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.720 rectal or ear temperatures above one oh one then that's 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.280 considered a fever. If you're a kid, um, good luck 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.520 getting anything besides the rectal temperature, because it's just tough. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.920 You have basically no right well ye which you have 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.160 as wiggly kids who aren't like, sure, stick something in 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.840 my ear for four seconds, but up the up the kazoo. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.760 There's not really anything you can do about that. All 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.440 they can do is say, yeah, exactly. So the rectal 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:10.120 temperature for a kid above one point four and um. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.600 With adults like you don't have to really worry about 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.680 your fever too much. If it if it tops a 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.200 hundred and five for you know, any period of time, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.880 you probably want to do something about that. That's what 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.600 I saw was the hundred and five degree hype mark 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.960 was about where you should start to worry. Yeah, as 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.280 an adult, and you're gonna feel so awful. If your 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.400 temperature is one oh five, you're you've probably already been 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.800 to a doctor at that points. For kids, it's different though. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.600 If you don't want to let your child get up 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.720 to one oh five, that's bad, bad, bad. So what 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.720 is it for kids that you really want to start worrying? 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.520 But did you say, you know what I'm not exactly sure. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.920 I mean, it probably depends on whether you're a first 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.280 time pairent or this is your second kid. Well, and 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.920 it varies with the age, you know, it's like zero 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.520 to eighteen months. It's something, and like what you should 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.120 do is consult that your doctor. Yeah exactly. But you know, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.640 any kind of temperature you should for a child, you 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.320 should kind of be a little more alert about, right. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.600 But we're not in medical experts here, no, we're not. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.280 And everything we're saying assumes that you have healthcare coverage. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:18.000 That's right. Um, all right, so that's fever in general. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.960 You got anything else on that? Yeah? One other thing? Um? 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:28.000 Uh the pyrogens um Piro. By the way, it's a mistake, man, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.840 I did have some coincidence. No, it's not. What is 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.480 the Latin for fire, Greek word for fire? Yeah, Piro 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:40.280 def Leppard, right, Um, a great song. It really is 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.360 the whole album. Yeah. They just mentioned it in Rock 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.400 of Ages that comes up. They should have a song 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.160 called Pyromania wonderful. But that's pretty cool. It's like the 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.440 antithesis of your band, your album, and your song all 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.040 being the same name, like Big Country. Oh I love 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:05.920 that song. Sure, But it's pretty uncreative, but you're basically saying, like, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.359 here's our basket and we're gonna play every egg we 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.680 have into it. That's the one one thing we came 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.560 up with. I saw David Spade bit once and he 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.280 was talking about he was complaining it wasn't even comedy. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:18.920 He's just complaining that he went and saw a big 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.440 country and they didn't play the song Big Count. Yeah. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.520 He's like, it's the name of your band. It's the 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.560 one song everybody came to see and play it. He's well, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.000 the longest, the long and short of it is I 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.920 totally forgot what the other thing I had to say 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.160 about Pyritans was, so I'll probably think of it. Oh, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.919 I know what it was, Pyrogen's um. As your immune 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.600 system grows in ages and you become a grown up, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.920 the pyrigans have a little less of an effect on you. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.119 So where if you're a kid and your immune system 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.240 is young and inexperienced, your fever is gonna shoot up 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.200 quick and it's going to it's gonna get hotter faster. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.399 So you do want to stay on top of a 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.960 kid's fever because their immune system is not used to 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.200 pyrogens coming and messing with their hypothalamus like an adults. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.480 It is. Yeah, it'll spike much faster at this good point. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.880 That's what I was trying to think of. Yeah, that's true. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.200 You need to take that need take that rectal temperature 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.520 way more than you're comfortable with. I don't recall that 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.560 ever having been done to me. Well, because you don't 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.520 remember being a baby. No, but my parents were pretty strict, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.600 pretty stern. Mean, by the time a kid is old 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.320 enough to where you can say, like, hey, put this 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.360 under your tongue, or hold still for a minute while 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.280 I put this in your ear, but pre that when 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:41.200 they're not sentient humans and they're just you know, crying, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.359 whiny little sacks of flesh, you gotta stick it right 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.960 up the butt. Okay, Harry's laughing. She almost spit out 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.600 her schwarm a salad. Harry's done plenty of that, so 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:58.240 she knows. Okay, So into dreams, um, I always think 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.320 we've done a general show on dreams. I think we did. Finally, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:06.040 I didn't find it. What still, No, it's a lucid dreaming. 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.879 Can you control your dreams? That's the same thing, wasn't it. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.040 I think that maybe because no, we we did one 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.160 on dreams. I didn't see it. Wow, I can't believe it. 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.760 I can't believe it. Well, this contributes to the little 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.240 by little, someone will know. Jill Hurley, where are you 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.480 when we need you? Our statistician, a minister of stats? 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.280 All right, well we'll talk about dreams a bit here then, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.720 Even though we've explained this in various episodes here and 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.760 there to some degree, but uh dreams. You know, if 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:45.600 you're psychologist, you you really love to spend time talking 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:51.360 and dissecting dreams, interpreting dreams. If you're a um more 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.879 into the neurology side of science, you don't really care 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.920 about that kind of stuff. Um. In fact, for many 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.560 years they thought it was called activation synthesis hypothesis, which 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:07.000 was you go to sleep and all these uh synapsters 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.760 are just randomly firing and they don't really add up 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.280 to even a story. You just do that when you 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.400 wake up because you're human. Yeah, but that I mean, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.359 that's complete. Bs. Well, you almost get the impression that 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.199 they came up with this, and the neurologists came up 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.119 with it to stick out their territory in response to 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.359 years of psychoanalysts saying, this is what dreams are like, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:34.639 tapping into the collective unconscious or um, they're you're repressed memories. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:40.520 Neuroscience said, no, nothing, they're just your stupid, wet brain 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.679 going crazy while you sleep. Yeah, which we all know 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.600 now is not true. I saw another one too. What's 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.000 that um threat simulation theory? Have you heard of that one? No, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.560 but that's a great band name. Basically, it's you're training 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.160 to be a ninja while you sleep, Like your brain 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:02.600 is running threat simulations constantly, so that it's like working 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.399 itself out, like getting more and more agile and quick 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.920 and like, like, so you can get better at running 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.480 from a savor tooth tiger if you actually encounter it. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.000 I can see that early on maybe, and there is 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.880 an evolutionary advantage to it, so evolutionarily speaking, it would 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.120 make sense. The point is it that one came along? 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.280 I was like, no, there's obviously some reason for dreams. 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.680 It's not just random yet. Well, and then maybe I 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.000 could have seen that early on. But then at some 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.520 point someone around the fire had a dream about Tuktok's 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.520 wife and woke up and went, whoa, there was no 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:43.560 savor tooth tiger and that I'm not sure what that meant, uh, 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.040 but I better not tell tuktok, right, you know. And 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.680 then they went, what's a rectal themome hasn't even been 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:55.520 invented yet, so uh. These days they've done actual studies, um, 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:00.000 with E e. G. Machines and MRI machines, and especially 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:04.080 in Italy, these Italian researchers basically put people to sleep, 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.280 not put them to sleep and the sleeper hole. They 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.400 lay them down in a nice Italian bed, feed them 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.199 some postaphazul, and get out the rectal thermometer and they 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.320 hook him up to all these wires and machines. And 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:19.320 then they will wake them up at different points in 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:22.520 the night and say, hey, what were you dreaming of? Um, 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.960 we'd like to talk about it and study what was 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.960 going on with these machines. And um. They actually what 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:33.680 they found supports the current the prevailing theory. I don't 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:35.200 think it was their theory. I think it was around, 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:39.840 but their research supports it called affect regulation theory, which 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:45.040 is basically that we control our emotions or we process 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.240 our emotions through our dreams. And these Italians found support 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:52.000 for this and that when they woke people up and 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:55.040 asked them what they were dreaming about. The ones who 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.320 had the best recall were the ones who had the 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:01.200 most Theta waves in their frontal lobes, which are slow 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.760 moving waves. Right. Yes, And when you look at an 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.920 e G machine, if you looked at those dreamers brain waves, 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.480 it looked like the brain waves of somebody who was 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:16.040 sitting there forming and recalling memories. So these people said, 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.680 that's what they're doing. That's what all of us are doing. 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.399 While we're dreaming. We're forming memories. We're taking emotions that 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.320 we've experienced through the day and we're creating memories out 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.440 of them so we can file them away. So we're 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.639 processing our emotions and our dreams. That's the point of dreams. 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.360 That's the current understanding. Yeah, and then I mean other 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:38.240 parts of the brain that have been active all sort 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.720 of deal with emotion, whether it's the a magdala and 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.359 the hippocampus or the lingual gyrus, which I think we 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.560 just talked about that in another episode. I don't recall. 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.960 I can't remember, um, but they're all areas of the 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.280 brain that relate to emotion and memory, and some with 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.879 visual activity. And you know that kind of makes sense. 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.359 I like that theory and then under that current theory, 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.640 so that's like the the explanation for regular dreams. And 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.520 you can't just have a theory for dreams without including 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.560