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Speaker 1: And also like now that he has beaten Pata, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they made those adjustments.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about the adjustments is I'm not that

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Speaker 3: this is the thing about a fight like this, and

432
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 3: why when the fight was over, I was like, I

433
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 3: would love to see a trilogy. In fact, I'd love

434
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,160
Speaker 3: to see these guys fight every weekend.

435
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,920
Speaker 2: At this high of a level of striking.

436
00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,920
Speaker 3: The smallest of bearrors and the smallest of adjustments can

437
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 3: mean the absolute world in a fight like because mistakes

438
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,480
Speaker 3: and errors, I mean, it'll put you into a dire

439
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:10,160
Speaker 3: situation immediately. And we don't get to see in MMA

440
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 3: strikers of this caliber go against each other. This is

441
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 3: probably the first time ever that we've gotten to see

442
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 3: strikers at this high level face each other, especially on

443
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,119
Speaker 3: two occasions, and that's what made this such a remarkable

444
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 3: rivalry and why, you know, my immediate thought after the

445
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 3: fight was trilogy. And again I know that since then

446
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 3: that has kind of been quashed and we'll see what happens.

447
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 2: But I just love watching these guys do their.

448
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,639
Speaker 1: Thing, so let's talk about what will be next. I

449
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 1: was like you on Saturday night, people were asking me,

450
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,160
Speaker 1: what do you think is next for Izzy? Again? Because

451
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,919
Speaker 1: if Peneda had stuck around his champ, you got all

452
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: these fresh matchups you can make. Now that that's really

453
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 1: not in play, what direction do you go? So we

454
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: had tweets from Yaan Belhovich saying he would go to

455
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: one eddy five. Okay, that's interesting. Then you have Robert

456
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 1: Whitaker being like, see you soon. You had Hamza Chamayav

457
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: saying see you soon? And is he kind of poo

458
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 1: pooed the a subsequent fight with Peda, But like we

459
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: do go back to the same problem, which is as

460
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 1: we just indicated, is he's already beaten everyone in the

461
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: top five, including in some cases multiple times. If they're

462
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: not gonna do that, if they're not gonna go with

463
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 1: another fight with Pareta up and maybe he does go

464
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: to two o five, what what should be next for

465
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 1: is he? Because I don't really have a good answer, Well.

466
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 3: That's why I think you kind of need to think

467
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 3: outside the box here, because you know, I keep mentioning

468
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: Shamaiyev and to me, if you want to make a

469
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 3: lot of money, that's the fight to make. And anybody

470
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: who's gonna, you know, question the credentials of Kamsas Shamayev,

471
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 3: you can just show them the Kevin Hollin fighter, the

472
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: Gilbert Burns fight, Like we saw what Gilbert Burns did

473
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 3: on Saturday, and who he's been beating and how he's

474
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: been beating them, Like Kamsa Shamaiev went to absolute war

475
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: with that guy. He's been tested, We've seen him be tested,

476
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 3: and then he went and ran through Kevin Holland like

477
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 3: a freight train. Why are people questioning this guy's credentials

478
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: are He's only beaten John Phillips and Gerald Meerschada at

479
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: one eighty five?

480
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: He needs to earn it. Did we see how Alex

481
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: Peira got to the championship.

482
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: Like he did fight Sean Strickland.

483
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: Though, need to be the guy that was I guess

484
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: in the top seven at the time. Yeah, maybe you

485
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: have Shamaia do that, but let's keep in mind Kevin

486
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Holland was a ranked middleweight for a time, so it's

487
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 3: not like he's beating guys that haven't had success at middleweight.

488
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: I just think that a lot of people are are

489
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 3: too hung up on things like on things like that.

490
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 3: When you have a guy that clearly has the talent

491
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: to be top five middleweights, like I mean, does he do?

492
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: We need to see it? Maybe?

493
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 3: But again, if I'm coming up with the main event

494
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 3: for International Fight Week and we heard Dana White say

495
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 3: that John Jones has kind of disappeared since his win

496
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 3: over Surreal gun.

497
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Speaker 1: Let's tick Let's sick applause on that, what do you

498
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 1: make of that?

499
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: I don't really know what to make of it, but

500
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 3: I think he probably comes down to money, right, Like

501
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 3: it probably just comes down to dollars and cents. That's

502
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 3: what my guess would be, because if you want to

503
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 3: read between the lines, you know, John's been going on

504
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: social media being like, you know, oh Stepe, I thought

505
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: we were going.

506
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: To do this, but then when they know why?

507
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 3: I was asked about John Jones's comments on social media

508
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: and Stepay Dana's response was one of Steepe ever turned

509
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 3: down a fight, and you can read between the lines

510
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: on that one. So and then of course Dana saying

511
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 3: that John Jones has disappeared. So I don't know if

512
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: they're trying to haggle for more money. We did have

513
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 3: reports that from this past week. I think Arieljwani was

514
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 3: the first to report it that it's done for two

515
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 3: ninety in terms of bulk versus Yaya Rodriguez. Would they

516
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 3: want a headline International Fight Week with that? I mean

517
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 3: they headlined with cannoneer versus Israel last year, which isn't

518
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: exactly a massive.

519
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: Fight, but they could always do that.

520
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 3: To me, if you want to make the biggest fight

521
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: possible right now, it's out a sign of persis Shamaiev

522
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 3: because the intrigue would be through the roof, and if

523
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: you really want to test Israel, that's the fight to make.

524
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: Now.

525
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: Whether Israel's interested in that fight, I don't know. Maybe

526
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: he wants to see Shamaiev get a winner two, because

527
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: when I brought up Shamaiev to him this week, that

528
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: seemed to be the indication was, well, let's see him

529
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: beat somebody. But I just don't think right now there's

530
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: a very good suitor for Israel is not gonna be Perira.

531
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: To me, that seems like the best option if Perera

532
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: does want to stay at middleweight. But at the same time,

533
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: I see the flip side of that, where Israel says, well,

534
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: I got that win. Like, I don't know if he

535
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: needs to fight him again, do you need to sort

536
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: it out and say, well, you know, you need to

537
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: make a two to one and emphatically prove that you're

538
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: the better mixed martial artist. I think on Saturday Israel

539
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: did that well enough. And if Pererra is interested in

540
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: moving up to two o five, I think that's a

541
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 3: better division for him anyways. So you know, I'm just

542
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: very curious to see where things go from here. But

543
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure Israel wants to get back in there. If

544
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: he does want to take a prolonged break, I think

545
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: that's going to be interesting. And then there's another question

546
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: that hasn't really been answered, which is what's Shimiav's visa

547
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: status right now for fighting in the US. Because everybody

548
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 3: keeps saying he's not gonna fight till October. Why seems

549
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: like he's ready to fight, seems like he wants to fight.

550
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: Why October?

551
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the thing that stands out to me

552
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: is it's not in the US, so I mean, and

553
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean, of course he is popular in Abu Dhabi.

554
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: But that's the other question that I think is a

555
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: little bit unsettled, and I don't have an answer to that.

556
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what his visa status is, but I

557
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: just find it curious that he's never being rumored for

558
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 3: any of these cars in the US.

559
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well how about this though, And again

560
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 1: this doesn't really do it for me, but I have

561
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: seen it brought up. It is worth having at least

562
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of a conversation about it. What about

563
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: the idea of is he Whittaker three? Where are you

564
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: on that idea as plausible? Interesting, good, worthwhile what?

565
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm not super interested in it personally. I don't think

566
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: we need to see a third fight between them.

567
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: It's two nothing.

568
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: Was the last one close? I think it was close,

569
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: but I thought that Israel good enough to win that fight.

570
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: I think that whenever you put those two guys in

571
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: the cage, it's going to be a great fight. I

572
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 3: think those are the two best middleweights in the planet

573
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: right now, and that they've established themselves as such.

574
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say no to that fight. Like, I

575
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: think it's interesting, but is it necessary? I don't know.

576
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: But again, the options are very thin right now for Israel.

577
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: There aren't a whole lot of them.

578
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: So I think it ultimately depends on when he wants

579
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: to get back in there. If he's like, i'll fight

580
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: on an international fight, would you find an opponent for

581
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: him and then the other one?

582
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: The idea? What about the idea where he could do

583
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: what Silva did before he lost the title, where for example,

584
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: he took a two oh five fight against forst Griffin,

585
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: he took a two oh five fight against Stefan Bonner,

586
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: or we're not talking about the championship, but you're staying busy.

587
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: It's a fight people would care about, right And I don't.

588
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what name of two of five

589
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: would fulfill that because that was a different time at

590
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: two o five. But let's just sort of imagine that

591
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: someone came up with a name of two o five

592
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: people were reasonably excited about. It's not for the title,

593
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: but it's stay busy while they figure out what's happening

594
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: in middleweight. Does that excite you not?

595
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: Really?

596
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: It would excite me if it was him versus Jamal

597
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 3: Hill or him versus Yuri Prokashka for the title. But

598
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if he needs to keep busy fight

599
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: at two o five and I also think that he's

600
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: very small for the division.

601
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: There's I don't think that the risk is worth the

602
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: reward for that one.

603
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: Like I think that it's a massive risk for him

604
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: to go and fight a non title fight against I

605
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: don't know, like Uncle Ayah or something at two o five,

606
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: just to keep busy.

607
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: I don't see the upside for him there.

608
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: They might do Champ Champ. You know, everyone was talking

609
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: about Pata versus Hill at two oh five, which they

610
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: still might do. I mean, that's bill seems potentially on

611
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: the table. But is he could try another crack at

612
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill and then do a Champ Champ fight. That

613
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: seems possible as well, I suppose. I mean, I don't

614
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: know if they want to really play with that with

615
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: two of five, given that it's just some uncertainty at

616
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: the top, or at least i's just say parody at

617
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: the top where anyone could just take it from anybody else.

618
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: But speaking of Petta two oh five, right, I mean,

619
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If he stays at one to eighty five,

620
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it, but he's thirty six years old.

621
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: Like his ability to make it is already, if not

622
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: merely it's not impossible, but his capacity to make it

623
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: as diminished. I think Dana White said he had two

624
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: pounds left and there was an hour left in total

625
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: weigh in, so like he made it barely under the limit.

626
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: Two o five seems like the right move at this

627
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: stage of his career.

628
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: Yes or no, Israel is not an option, then it

629
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 3: absolutely is the best option for him because the better

630
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: fights and the more competitive fights are there for him,

631
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: and the fights that will annoy him less and we

632
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 3: get to see the best out of him, right Like,

633
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to see guys trying to clinch with

634
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: him and then hold them up against the cage at

635
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: middleweight and try to take him down. I want to

636
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: see him do his thing. I want to see him

637
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: strike him. Versus Jamal Hill is a fight that would

638
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: really excite me, to be perfectly honest. If Eurie pro

639
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: Kagka is not ready to go, obviously Yeri deserves the

640
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: next shot at Hill when he is ready. I don't

641
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: think he should be rushed back. And we saw what

642
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: happened with Billishaw with the shoulder, We saw what happened

643
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: with Aaron Picover and Bellator with the shoulder. If that

644
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: thing's not ready to go. It could pop out in

645
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: the first second round. Then we get nothing burger of

646
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: a fight, and I think that's the last thing that

647
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: anybody wants to see. So if you can book Jamal

648
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: Hill against Perera, I know for Jamal Hill it's probably

649
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: not as exciting of a fight because Porero.

650
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: Is no longer the Middleway champion.

651
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: But that's a fight that I think would be a

652
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: lot of fun to watch. And I think again, with

653
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: Parera being thirty six, you got to look at his

654
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: shelf life in the UFC and what he has left

655
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 3: to accomplish while he's still in the UFC, Because to me,

656
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: if you're not going to give him the fight with

657
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: Israel again, he has much better championship prospects at two

658
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: o five.

659
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. I would certainly agree

660
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: with that. It'll be interesting to see where do they

661
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: go with this one because the knockout was tular, but

662
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: it does create some future matchmaking problems that they're going

663
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: to have to solve. All right, let's talk about that

664
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: co main event if we can. Jorge Masvidal loses retiring

665
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: following the loss to Gilbert Burns on Saturday's co main event.

666
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Of course, we are going to talk about Burns, but

667
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: I think with the bigger story coming out of at

668
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: least a little bit of course is Hora Masbitdohal. For

669
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: two reasons. One, obviously, we don't really know what's next

670
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: for Gilbert. That remains to be seen. But the other

671
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: part here is Aaron Gilbert Bert excuse me, Horney Masswital

672
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: has a sort of a unique place in the sport.

673
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: I asked you about what this win did for Isy's legacy.

674
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: Different question, not so much what the loss does that

675
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't really care about at this point, but in general.

676
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Someone asked me after the fight, what is Jorge Maswitdal's

677
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: legacy in mixed martial arts. I did not have a

678
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: great answer. I'd be curious to get yours.

679
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 3: I do have a great answer, Luke, and here it is.

680
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: It's never too late. That's his legacy. Because he was

681
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: a guy. They called him a journeyman George now and

682
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: all of that, and I won't call him a journey in.

683
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 3: But he was an up and down fighter. He was

684
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: a a guy who alternated wins and losses. He was

685
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: a guy that seemed to have a real ceiling as

686
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: kind of a mid card fighter, and he came away

687
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: from taking what it was that two years away from

688
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: the sport where he was kind of isolated and alone

689
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: with his thoughts, and was able to come up with

690
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: the mental fortitude to have three incredible wins in a row.

691
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: The Ben asked Well the first starting off of the

692
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: Darren till Win. Darren Hill was still a very hot

693
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: fighter at the time, and I still think has the

694
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: potential to be a you know, regain form at some

695
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: point in his career. And again, if this is the

696
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: message it's never too late, then hey, maybe he can.

697
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Then Ben Askron, who was undefeated at the time, who

698
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: was coming into the UFC as this you know, being

699
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: basically fast tracked to a championship, beats him in five seconds,

700
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: probably the greatest or up there with the greatest knockouts

701
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: in UFC history. And then he they create a championship

702
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: belt for him to headline at Madison Square Garden against

703
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 3: Nake Diez and he wins that fight. It's never too

704
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: late to turn your career around if you have the

705
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: combination of you know, fighting acumen, charisma, and the ability

706
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: to make people care about you. The sky is the

707
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: limit for you in mixed martial arts at any point

708
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: in time in your career if you can catch lightning

709
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: in a bottle. And I think that ultimately is Jorge

710
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: Masbitdal's legacy that he was able to take a career

711
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: that was very middling and turn it into a superstar,

712
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: turn himself into a superstar that made a ton of

713
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: money in this sport by just being himself and winning.

714
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: And I think that there are a lot of fighters

715
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: that if the right thing happens, then like let's say,

716
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: had Cowboy Seroni beaten Connor McGregor when they fought each other, like,

717
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: what could his career have turned into at that point

718
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: in time was already pretty hot, But if he was

719
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: able to do that and then find consistency, he might

720
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: have been able to find another title shot opportunity late

721
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: in his career. It's obviously that's not how it turned out,

722
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that necessarily that he would have

723
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: won the next fight after that, But if you can

724
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: catch lightning in a bottle at the right time in

725
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: your career, you can elevate yourself to really high levels

726
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: of superstardom.

727
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: I also think that like there's this cadre of guys

728
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: you'll see, and they have different results when it hits them.

729
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: But there are guys who are like good in their twenties,

730
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned up and down, they give

731
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: good fighters, good fights, but they lose, you know, and

732
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: then they hit like thirties. Then they hit like early

733
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: to mid thirties, thirty two, thirty three, somewhere around there,

734
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and all of it just begins to come together for

735
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: them because they were never like the dynamic guys who

736
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: were just gonna take over right away, but they were

737
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: pretty close. And then you learn over time they get

738
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: better and better and better as they put more and

739
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: more time in on the mats, they get more experience,

740
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: and then they're and then they understand the promotion, like

741
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: everything makes sense to them at that point, and then

742
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: they put it all together. Jorge had to do it

743
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: in this more celebrated way where he was gone on

744
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: this reality show and then he comes back and then

745
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: we as you indicated, he had that the breakout twenty nineteen,

746
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of amazing for him. But

747
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: like you know, it's very easy to dismiss guys who

748
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: just don't turn out to be big, big stars in

749
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: their twenties. You're like, oh, well they're thirty now and

750
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: then it's over for them. But it's actually not quite

751
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: true in MMA, and you can see some late bloomers

752
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: like this. Jorge is the most exaggerated example of that,

753
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: but he is part of it too, like other guys

754
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: like Digo Faheeda kind of had a bit of a

755
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: rebound right around thirty three thirty four, right when they

756
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: were much better than they were when they were twenty four.

757
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: They just weren't really ready for it. There's that as well, also,

758
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: like you know, I said this to BC all the time,

759
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, listen for me, the most interesting part of

760
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: MMA is its higher end. You know, like obviously the

761
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: main event. Just you know, undercard guys can have very

762
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: very exciting fights, but it's just hard to match everything

763
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: that a big, really important main event for a title brings.

764
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: It's just not the same kind of thing. But if

765
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: you just isolate yourself to only the higher end, you

766
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: actually miss a lot. You miss a lot of really

767
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: interesting MMA. You miss a lot of really good fighters

768
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: who are not quite at that you know, exalted level,

769
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: but very much worthy of your respect, who can do

770
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: incredible things that you never imagined. Right, So there's a

771
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: lesson in MMA where it's like, you know, you can

772
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: like whatever portions of it you like, but just don't

773
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: be one of these guys who only pays I only

774
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: watch the main events, and I only care about the

775
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: title fights. Man, there is so much more beyond that

776
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: and Jorge Maswitol's overall career. But then, certainly to your

777
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: point that late surge is just living proof that yes,

778
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: there are the better ends of things, but the middle portion,

779
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: or the upper end of the middle portion, anyway, that's

780
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: really interesting too. Don't lose sight of it.

781
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And another good example is a guy who is

782
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: now going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame

783
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: and Robbie Lawler, like Robby Laller had a very similar

784
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: trajectory in his career where he was kind of up

785
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: and down, going from promotion to promotion, and then he

786
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: managed to again kind of catch lightning in a bottle

787
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: and work his way up to becoming the champion that

788
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: the welterweight division with. You know, when George Saint Pierre

789
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: had kind of stepped away from the sport and really

790
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: showed how high of a level he was able to

791
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: get to in his career, and then at some point

792
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: in time it kind of ends. And I think Robbie

793
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: still can put on some fun fights. But I just

794
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: think it's a good example where you just shouldn't count

795
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: people out just because maybe.

796
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: They have a rough go or a rough patch in

797
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: their career.

798
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: You can always kind of bounce back if you get

799
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 3: just the perfect sequence of wins against the perfect opponents.

800
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: It's rare, but it happens, all right. But for Gilbert Burns,

801
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: he got the job done. He wins I think twenty

802
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: nine to twenty eight or so, whatever it was. How

803
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: did he look to you?

804
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: I thought he looked good.

805
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it was his best performance, But I

806
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: still think that Gilbert sometimes needs somebody to bring the

807
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: best out of him, and I'm not sure Jorge Osbital

808
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: did that. I think that when you look at the

809
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: Hansa Shamaya fight, that's where I think you got the

810
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: best brought.

811
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: Out of Gilbert Burns.

812
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 3: And then we also came to learn recently that when

813
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: he thought Magni made it, I think he said it

814
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: after he beat Magnie. Actually he promised his wife that

815
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 3: he was just going to take Magnie could and submit him.

816
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 3: He just has the ability to do that right, Like

817
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: he's such a good, well rounded fighter. But I think

818
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: that he is now realizing that if he wants to

819
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: be a champion and he doesn't want to just be

820
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 3: a guy who's fighting in big fights and making money

821
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: that way, that he kind of needs to hit the

822
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: pause button and wait for his opportunity. It's a similar

823
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: thing that Tyre and Woodley did, even Leon Edwards to

824
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: an extent did, where you know that you're up there

825
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: with the best in your division and you don't need

826
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: to keep proving it over and over again like he

827
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: has been doing. If you look at Gilbert Burns's resume

828
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: at welterweight, like you have the loss to Kamaru and

829
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: the loss to Comsat in.

830
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: A very close fight.

831
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: Those are like when you that you know you hit

832
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: the absolute ceiling of that division. And I still think

833
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: he was beating people that are getting close to that

834
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: ceiling as well. I think what he's saying right now

835
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: like let me be the backup. He's like, I'm demanding it.

836
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: I want to be the backup for Edwards and Covington

837
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: and Dana Light was like Okay, he'll be the backup,

838
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: you know, and we saw what happened when Covington was

839
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: recently the backup. He got the title shot. I feel

840
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: really bad for Balamhammed in this situation because it seems

841
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: like he continues to be the odd man out and

842
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: they're gonna have him fight Shov kat Rochmanov, which is

843
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: not great. But I think with Gilbert Burns, like now,

844
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: he's just kind of putting his foot down, saying, I'm

845
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 3: at the stage in my career where it's championship or

846
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: bust for me. I don't need to keep fighting these guys.

847
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: IM proving myself over and over again.

848
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: He's totally right about I thought so too. I thought

849
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: he looked pretty good. I felt looked pretty good. I

850
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't blown away, but you know, he was.

851
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: He told us during the early part of the week

852
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Aaron that he thought Jorge was going to come storming

853
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: at him, you know. So I think the fact that

854
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Jorge was kind of reserved in the first round in

855
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: counterpunching kind of like made him have to readjust a

856
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: little bit. But he did, and he got the job done,

857
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: and I thought he really got he looked overall pretty

858
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: good and to your point as well, you know, like,

859
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: what is the point of fighting other guys at this

860
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't have anything left to do except fight for

861
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: a title and see what happens there. Folks, forget Jorge

862
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: was thirty eight on Saturday night, Gilbert thirty six. Like

863
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: at thirty six at one hundred and seventy pounds, that

864
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: is not young either. He did look obviously up to

865
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: the task, but I think the clock is ticking for him,

866
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: So okay, if he's gonna be in the backup role, right,

867
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: So then you have Colby versus well, hold on, is

868
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: it confirmed with Colby yet? Because you see Leon tweeting afterwards, Oh,

869
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: Jorge fumbled the bag, blah blah. I'm not coun all,

870
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: just be social media nonsense bluster. We're just sort of

871
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: assuming Colby is it. But it does sound like Leon

872
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: still isn't on board with it. Have you heard anything different?

873
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, what's Leon? What are Leon's options? Now?

874
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if Mazdlah would have won, you can say no, okay,

875
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: but then what then you're fighting fighting Gilbert Burns or

876
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: you're fighting shamai shama I have decides to stay at

877
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 3: one to seventy for whatever reason, like.

878
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: Leon does not have good options right now.

879
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: Leon was probably sitting on the couch saying like, oh, Man,

880
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: I really need Mazedal to win this fight, because that

881
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: would have been an easier opponent for him than what's

882
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: in front of him. But right now, you're the champion

883
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: of one hundred and seventy pounds and the options in

884
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: front of you are Bala Mohammed, Gilbert Burns, Colby Covington,

885
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: you got shoved catt Rochmanov coming up like he doesn't

886
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: really have a whole lot of easy options here, and

887
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: if they're gonna have him headline this pay per view

888
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: in London, which is looking the way that it's trending

889
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: for July, Like sign the contract, dude, you got to

890
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: defend the title and it doesn't matter if it's against

891
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: Covington or Burns or Balah Mohammed.

892
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: Is not going to be an easy fight.

893
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: The thing that Dana White always has to fall back

894
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: on here when you look at the welterweight rankings, is

895
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Kobe Covington's ranked number one.

896
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: They don't come up with the rankings.

897
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: It's voted on by a panel of you know people,

898
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: that are kind of on the fringe of the media.

899
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: I hate to say it that way, but that's kind

900
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: of the truth of it.

901
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: No, that's true. They're on the fringe of the media,

902
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: that's true.

903
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: But either way, all Dana White has to do is

904
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: they say, hey, look at the rankings, who's the number

905
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: one guy behind Usman? Sorry, I said that, Kolby's the

906
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 3: number one guy. Koby's the number one guy that Leon

907
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: hasn't beaten twice. That's all he has to do. Point

908
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: to that and say, like, listen, these rankings are determined

909
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: by people who are watching weekend and week out and

910
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: deciding where people are going to be. Now, if the

911
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: media wants to do something about it, the media members

912
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: that rank the welterweight division rank Belal ahead of Colby,

913
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: rank Burns ahead of Colby if you think that they

914
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: deserve it, right, But for now, the highest ranked guy

915
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: behind Usman is Kobe Covington. That's the reality of the situations.

916
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: Nothing that I'm saying to defend the decision, but it's

917
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying to point out that if the UFC

918
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: wants to say, hey, we're a meritocracy base promotion, he's

919
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: the next guy.

920
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: In line behind Usman, they can do that, all.

921
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Right, So then you have Uspan next Burn's doing backup

922
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: be Lall's gonna fight Rockmanov we think. By the way,

923
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: was Colby in attendance in Miami?

924
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: As far as I could see, he was not. I

925
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: didn't see him there. I never heard anything about him

926
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: being there. I didn't see any pictures of him there.

927
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: And he trains closer to that arena than anybody else really.

928
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 3: I mean, MMA Masters is in Hialeah, which is pretty

929
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: close to the arena, whereas these guys over at Team

930
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: Colcliffe and American Top Team train out where you and

931
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 3: BC were staying right last week.

932
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: So I was kind of surprised.

933
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: But when Kobe was asked if he was going to

934
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: be in the tendance for UFC two eighty seven, he

935
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: always said, Ah, it might be, I might not be.

936
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: Interesting. All right, Well, just the same, uh, I'll be

937
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: curious to see what happens with Burns beyond just the

938
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: backup role. All right, Point number three, Let's talk about

939
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: something further down that card if we can't, which was

940
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: really kind of interesting. Rob font Boy, what a talk

941
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: about talk about making a splash on Saturday night, he

942
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: upped his stock dramatically, beating Adrian yan Yez or Yanez

943
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: on the main card. So let's talk each one. We'll

944
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: start with how this affects their stock, both for Adrian,

945
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: both for Rob. We'll start with Rob. Huge boost, right, Aaron,

946
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: but how much of a boost?

947
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Well, first off, I'll start off by saying it's Yanez.

948
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna go with it, because, okay, you know, I'm

949
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: fine with it. The guy people people get, people get better.

950
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: You're the guy who turned me on to it. And

951
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: the reason why I'm saying we're gonna go with it

952
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: is I spoke to Adrian. I said, like, you know,

953
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Luke says it's yan Yez.

954
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: Is that true?

955
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: And like why do people call you Yanez? And he said, well,

956
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: people have just always pronounced it wrong. And I and

957
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Adrian's father passed away. He loved his

958
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: dad dearly, and the one thing that we get in

959
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: this life is our name. And for him to honor

960
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: his father, I think we should honor his father by

961
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: saying it properly. Saying yan Yez fair enough for me,

962
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 3: at least for here on out, it's yan Yez. But

963
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: you know, I saw Tyson Chardier at the end of

964
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, I think it was December. He was

965
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 3: there cornering somebody at a unified event that I called,

966
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: and I said to him, I really like this matchup

967
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: for rob and I think Yanyez is an incredible fighter,

968
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: you know, but this sport is matchups, and I just

969
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: thought that if Font caught him once, and we've seen

970
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: Adrian get caught before, I don't think. I didn't think

971
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: that Adrian was going to be able to process it

972
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 3: as quickly as he needed to because Font is so fast.

973
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: Like when Font has you hurt and he stings you,

974
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: he is like white on rice, like he is going

975
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: to come after you. He's going to keep stinging you

976
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: and keep stinging you and keep stinging you and see

977
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: if you can take it. And that's what he did

978
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: against Jianyez. I didn't think it was going to end

979
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: in the first round. I thought it was going to

980
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: probably be a prolonged decision. But I did not like

981
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: this matchup for Adrian. I think there are a lot

982
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 3: of better matchups up the rankings for Adrian, And I

983
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: said to Adrian when I spoke to him on Wednesday,

984
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: I said, right now, you're at that stage where if

985
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: you get a win here against Rob font Like, you

986
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: are gonna be entering murderer's row.

987
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: Like, there's just nothing easy from here on out.

988
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: And even if you don't beat Rob Like, you are

989
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 3: in the bantamweight division and you are swimming with the sharks.

990
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: And we learned that from rabl Rosas Junior.

991
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a little bit later on,

992
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: but the bantamweight division, there are no soft landings here

993
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: and I thought that, you know, Adrian, I think can

994
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 3: hang with a lot of these guys ranked at bantamweight.

995
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: But again, I just thought that matchup for him was

996
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: not a great one. And it was good to see

997
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: Rob vont rebound after that year off because he's been

998
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: during that in that pressure cooker of the bantamweight division

999
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: as well, and I think he's as good as anybody

1000
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: in this division. It's just a from matchup to matchup,

1001
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: the volatility is different.

1002
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh man. We were talking about the main event right

1003
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: where like basically the first person to make a mistake

1004
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: is gonna lose. You know, That's really the way it

1005
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: goes with those two fucking guys. In i Isy and Padeta.

1006
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: It was fairly similar here right at bansamweight. Anyone that

1007
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: top five or even top ten. Man, you make a

1008
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: mistake against those dudes, it's gonna be real bad for you.

1009
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: But we're talking about his stock. I will say this, Aeron,

1010
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: this might be his best win. Now, let me explain

1011
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: why I mean by that. Partly it's just the celebration

1012
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: of it. And because yan Yes was riding this massive

1013
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: hot streak right like the next big thing, five and

1014
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: zero in the UFC, all these finishes, all of these bonuses,

1015
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards, right, He's riding in hot. You

1016
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: were at the media day where the champion, well not

1017
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: the now champion is. He was asked about him and

1018
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: he gave this like effusive praise of Yanies and so

1019
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: partly Rob just spoiled the party and that gets you

1020
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. That was one of it. But

1021
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of his other wins here, Aaron, Okay,

1022
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: he had the win over Cody garb Brandt, but this

1023
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: is in twenty to twenty one. It doesn't mean the

1024
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: same thing. Plus it was a decision. Marlon Moriis is

1025
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: the one before that Okay, God bless Marlon Marich, but

1026
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: you know he's certainly seen better days. Ricky Simon's a

1027
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: good one, but he decisioned him. Sergio Pettis is a

1028
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: good one, but he deserged him, and he decisioned him.

1029
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: And now we're all the way back four years ago,

1030
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen to nineven before that, twenty eighteen, he does

1031
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: have a win over Thomas Almeida, but Almeta had lost

1032
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: two of three heading into that one. And then there's

1033
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Matt Schnell and some other ones. Dude, you know, you

1034
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: can say he beat some other guys like the Simone

1035
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: win or Pettis win, that maybe those guys are better

1036
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: or something like that. You can say that, but the

1037
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: wins weren't as impressive. They didn't stand out. This win

1038
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: stood out. This win stands out big time, all for

1039
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: a while, coming against a young, hot prospect and he

1040
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: blew the doors off of him. I think this is

1041
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Rob Font's best win. I don't know exactly what he's

1042
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: gonna get from it, and also Aaron, I wonder about

1043
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: this part too. I think he'll get a nice matchup

1044
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: from this. He has earned one, he wants one. He

1045
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: knows I think thirty five to thirty six himself, he

1046
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: knows the clock is ticking. Did it change your view

1047
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: of his upside though? Did it change your view about

1048
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: whether he could hold a title in this weight class?

1049
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: Well, in terms of holding a title in this weight class,

1050
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that anybody in this weight class

1051
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: on the right night could win a title because the

1052
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: level is just so high. But for me, what I

1053
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 3: needed to see from Rob Font was that he wasn't

1054
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: going the way of Marlon Reis when you have those

1055
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: were devastating losses that he faced, Like that lost that

1056
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: Cheetah was a beating. When you take that year off,

1057
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: now is the time where you find out where you're

1058
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: at and where the people find out where you're at.

1059
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: And a loss to.

1060
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Yan Yez to me, would have kind of, you know,

1061
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: kind of putting the nail in the coffin of the

1062
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: career of Rob Font in terms of his upward trajectory.

1063
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: I think he really needed this win as a confidence boost.

1064
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: He was so hyped this week going into that fight.

1065
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: Like if you watch my interview with him on Friday,

1066
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: he's holding an iced coffee and he's smiling and he's like, yeah,

1067
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: He's like his eyes are popping out of his head

1068
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 3: and he is just like I've never seen Rob Wont

1069
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: like that before, but when I saw him on Friday,

1070
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, I didn't know Rob BoNT had

1071
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: that like that.

1072
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: He just had that energy about him.

1073
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: It's not that he's not an energetic guy to begin with,

1074
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: but he was like it was like you were talking

1075
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: to a guy where like, you know, like every now

1076
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 3: and then you walk into a like a barber shop

1077
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: or you walk into a place and somebody starts talking

1078
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: to you and they just start like you can see

1079
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: their minds kind of moving, you know, a million miles

1080
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: a minute, and they just start talking about stuff and

1081
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: they have this intensity about them, like they felt like

1082
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: that talking to Rot on Friday, and I loved it,

1083
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: and I just thought it was a tremendous performance. I

1084
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: still think Yanyas could bounce back. He needs to make

1085
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: some adjustments. People also need to realize his coach salso

1086
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: Lees passed away and SalCo Lees was like another father

1087
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: to him. So he lost his father and he lost

1088
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: Salsolies over the course of a couple of years. That's

1089
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: a hard thing to overcome, man, and to have to

1090
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: learn a whole new style and train with all new guys.

1091
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: He's training with really good guys.

1092
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: He's training with Ralfie on Stoughts and a young prospect

1093
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: last night. I think it is Cameron Smotherman. This guy

1094
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: is going to be something big in the UFC one

1095
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: day in my opinion. But I think that Rob Font like,

1096
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: I sorry that Yanya has kind of needed something like

1097
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: this to have and to take as kind of a

1098
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: wake up call for him. And I think that he's

1099
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: just going to get better, man Like. I think that

1100
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: he's got all the skills, he just needs to put

1101
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: it all together. He needs to shore up his defense

1102
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: a little bit. And I think he'll still he'll be back,

1103
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: Like he'll be back in that top ten no time.

1104
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that was the thing for me is

1105
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: like you look at them on skills. Someone was asking

1106
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: me last week, like, hey, what are the differences in

1107
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: their boxing styles? Just their boxing styles, and man, in

1108
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: many ways, like they're not a hugely different fighters in

1109
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: that sense, right, I Mean, there are obviously some differences.

1110
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: No one's an identical twin, but you know, they do

1111
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the same kind of broad stroke things.

1112
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: But if you look at the stats before the fight

1113
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: air and man, yeah, yes, takes a lot of damage. Man,

1114
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: I think upwards of I think either five plus or

1115
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: six plus strikes a minute. Dude, that's just that's just

1116
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: way too much at this level, way too much. Now.

1117
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: The way he did it, obviously with those collar ties

1118
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: and then bringing the right hand around, I think that

1119
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: caught him by surprise, you know that that I didn't

1120
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: see that coming. And God blessed Rob font for being

1121
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: so clever and so devastating. But for me, Rob fond

1122
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the scale of it and the celebrity

1123
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: of it. Best when probably gonna get him a great fight.

1124
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: We'll see. For Yan, yes, I agree with you, this

1125
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: definitely hurts, but he just seems way too good and

1126
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: by the way, still twenty nine to not really get

1127
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: much better from this. I think he absolutely will. This

1128
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: was a painful lesson for him. He seemed devastated after

1129
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: the fact, which was obviously hard to see. But if

1130
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: you just look at how good he is, how hard

1131
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: he works, and how young he is relatively speaking, anyway,

1132
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: I think there's still a lot of belief in him.

1133
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: But there's work to be done. Man. You just can't

1134
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: take abuse like that statistically speaking, or in this particular

1135
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: case anyway and then expect to move to the top

1136
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: of that division. It's just way, way, way too much

1137
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: of a liability.

1138
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And credit to Rob Font who said,

1139
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: you know, when I was in Adrian spot, Marlon Morice

1140
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: gave me the fight, so he was okay, kind of

1141
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: fighting down to prove that he still had it. And

1142
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: I thought this was the perfect fight for him, not

1143
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: just not just the fight itself, but in terms of matchup.

1144
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: I thought it was the perfect fight for him at

1145
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: this stage of his career because you know, if Yanyaz

1146
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: beats him again, I think that kind of limits his

1147
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: upward trajectory from here on out. But he needed to

1148
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: prove to himself that he could still beat Adrian. And

1149
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: like you said, Adrian has taken a lot of damage.

1150
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: He gets hit a lot, and that's why, again, I

1151
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: just thought from a matchup standpoint, Rob fought was something

1152
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: of a nightmare matchup for him.

1153
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: Beau is Rob Font hits you a lot?

1154
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: Right, Like, if there's one thing that's consistent about Rob Font,

1155
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: it's his volume. If you look at the amount of

1156
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: strikes he landed against Aldo and Tido Vera in which

1157
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: we're both kind of lopsided losses. For him, he landed

1158
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: way more than both those guys. Right, So, if there's

1159
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: one thing that's certain, it's that Rob fond is going

1160
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: to land on you, and it's just about how much

1161
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: of that you can take. And it just seemed in

1162
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 3: that situation he just got stung over and over again.

1163
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, his jab, Man, he's got

1164
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: one of the best jobs in the sport. Rob Faughn's

1165
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: jab is just excellent. It's hard and you know, it's

1166
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: powerful and he can use other things to set it up.

1167
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: Like he's just really really gifted in that way. I was.

1168
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: And also lessing on this on Rob font took a

1169
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: year off and listen, we all know about it, like

1170
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: does ring rust affect everyone? You know, Listen, it affects

1171
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: most fighters most of the time, but it doesn't affect

1172
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: every fighter. Every time that year off did the exact

1173
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: opposite of rust. It rejuvenated him to your point about

1174
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: his energy and he didn't look like lost in there

1175
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: at all or he needs to make adjustments at all. Man.

1176
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: He was ready to go from the word from the

1177
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: opening Bell, so a little bit of lesson there. If

1178
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: you're an experienced fighter and you know yourself really well,

1179
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: taking a break can honestly be a great thing for you,

1180
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: not a bad thing.

1181
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's rust versus recovery, right, because if you're doing

1182
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: it for recovery, you're not sitting out right like you're

1183
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: still practicing, you're still learning. And one thing that he

1184
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: told me that I thought was really cool was we've seen,

1185
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: of course Calvin Cator got badly injured in his last fight.

1186
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: A lot of this camp was Calvin kind of on

1187
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: the sidelines watching Rob and rather than being in there

1188
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: with Rob because they're you know, of course trained together

1189
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: a lot and have you know, it's been an iron

1190
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: Sharpen's iron situation for them. But he he's been able

1191
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: to kind of sit on the outside looking in and

1192
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: give Rob all of these little pointers along the way

1193
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: that he wasn't able to give him when he was

1194
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: in there sparring with him all the time. And I

1195
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: think that did wonders for him as well, because Calvin,

1196
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: I think is one of the brightest minds in the game.

1197
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: Calvin's an amazing guy for sure. Shots to the New

1198
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: England cartel. All right, so let's get to this one

1199
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: where I pear to disagree with just about everybody else

1200
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: on it, so we'll put that as the disclaimer up front. So,

1201
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: Raoul Rosas junior, he loses his first UFC fight, He's

1202
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: had two of them. He was one on one in

1203
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: his UFC fights, not counting contender series. Obviously, in fairly

1204
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: convincing fashion, I would argue against Christian Rodriguez. So let's

1205
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: pitch it to you, Aaron. Let's see where you're at

1206
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: on this. Probably not where I'm at. But what does

1207
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: this mean for the teenager's future?

1208
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about this before.

1209
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: It's bantamweight and there are no soft landings and do

1210
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: people grow from wins? Yes they do. But first off,

1211
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: this matchup was terrible for him. From the outset when

1212
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: they announced this, I was like, what are they doing

1213
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: to this kid?

1214
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1215
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot of bhantam weights that you can

1216
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: put him up against where he can shine and look

1217
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: great like he did in that last fight against Jay Perron.

1218
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: But Christian Rodriguez, if you've spoken to anybody around Christian Rodriguez,

1219
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: Dave told me for years this guy is an uber prospect.

1220
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: He's incredible in the gym. This guy's the next guy.

1221
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: If you saw him on Contender series where he didn't

1222
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: get the contract because he missed weight, he smoked the

1223
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: guy that he faced, and I thought it was criminal

1224
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: that they didn't give him a contract even though he

1225
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: did misweight, because I was like, this guy's got like

1226
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 3: championship potential. I think Christian Rodriguez was a terrible matchup

1227
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 3: for him. I think that's first second, when you match

1228
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: him up with a guy like that, you're relying on

1229
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: a kid who thinks that he's completely untouchable to actually

1230
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: be untouchable. Which that's great in fantasy land, but here

1231
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: in the realities of the UFC bhantamweight division, if he

1232
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: gets crushed, that can do a lot for his self esteem,

1233
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: for his self belief, and for his growth at eighteen

1234
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: years of age, because at eighteen years of age, you

1235
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: feel invincible, and he was invincible to that point, and

1236
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: that's the problem, because when you learn you're not invincible,

1237
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: that can be a crushing blow to you. And I

1238
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: think that Rould Roases Junior has the mental fortitude to

1239
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: overcome this and get better and better. But being eighteen

1240
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: years old in the UFC, Like, I don't know if

1241
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: we're ever gonna see somebody that young, save for like

1242
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 3: a prodigy like Max Hollowa who at age twenty I

1243
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: think it was nineteen he actually came into the UFC

1244
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: that became a champion, like we'll see it from time

1245
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: to time, and maybe Ronuld Rosas Junior is that guy,

1246
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: because we saw Holloway have some early losses as well.

1247
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: But the guy landed zero strikes through two rounds and

1248
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 3: he won that first round. He needs a lot of polishing,

1249
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: a lot of work. I think he's uber talented. I

1250
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: think he's got great skills, tremendous skills, but at eighteen

1251
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: years of age, like again when you're in the UFC,

1252
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: I think this can be a devastating blow for his career.

1253
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: We've seen people like Sage north Gott get the push,

1254
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: page Vans don't get the push and fall in their face,

1255
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that that happens to Ronald Roses Junior.

1256
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: He can definitely overcome this, he can definitely look good

1257
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: in his next bike and get right back on the tracks.

1258
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: But a loss like this is going to be a

1259
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: very tough pill for him to swallow, and he's got

1260
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: a lot of work to do to be able to

1261
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: face a lot of these killers in the bandamweight division,

1262
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: even at the lower rungs of the banthamwet division.

1263
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, this is all bad now. Could have

1264
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: been worse in the following sense, right where let's say

1265
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Christian Rodriguez really put a beating on him, that didn't happen.

1266
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: He didn't get beat up real bad. So I think

1267
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: in that sense he actually got a little bit lucky,

1268
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, like, because that would have been

1269
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: really bad, but he didn't get that, And Okay, that's

1270
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: that's fine. I have so many problems with him being

1271
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: in the UFC man, and it's a couple of things.

1272
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: Everyone talks about his skills. Let's be clear. On the

1273
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: grappling side, certainly positionally and the wrestling and the way

1274
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: he's able to like chain things together, he looks pretty

1275
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: good to me. He looks like that part of his

1276
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: game looks UFC ready to me. And again, not on

1277
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: the top of the division, but he can get the

1278
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: Christian Rodriguez of the world. And you can see in

1279
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: that first round he was actually able to positionally anyway

1280
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: either dominate or to bare minimum lead the charge. So

1281
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: if he could, you know a portion that better, which

1282
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: is also gonna be a learning experience, which I do

1283
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: think he can do. That part looks ready made to me.

1284
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: But he tries to force submissions. There's virtually no ground

1285
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: and pound, which is a problem. And dude, his stand up.

1286
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna back on the kid and

1287
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: say like I've got better stand up or I'm an old, washed,

1288
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: pathetic piece of shit, but like, that stand up is

1289
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: not ready for this level. It's just not even close

1290
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: to being ready for this level. He's gonna get chewed

1291
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: the fuck up if he has to stand on the

1292
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: feet at any amount of time with anyone even bordering

1293
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: on Christian Rodriguez's level. Like it was worrisomely bad. And

1294
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: when I say worries only bad, not as like the

1295
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: critic from on high who gives you his opinion. More like, dude,

1296
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: if that's the tools you have to take into a fight,

1297
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna get hurt. You're gonna get hurt doing shit

1298
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: like that. That's the first thing I'd say, beyond everything else.

1299
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: The second part I would say is, man, this was

1300
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: this kid was saying shit like I'm gonna be champion

1301
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: in a year or less. In a year or less.

1302
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to have confidence in yourself.

1303
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: It's another want to be like completely delusional about where

1304
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 1: you stand amongst you know, grown men who've been doing

1305
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: this in certain cases almost as long as you've been alive.

1306
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: It's just profoundly out of his depth in term of

1307
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: understanding everything. And also I don't know who manages him,

1308
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: but like, whoever manages this kid, like putting him in there, Man,

1309
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: that's a real questionable call because he easily could have

1310
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: had a developmental deal like other fighters have had, where

1311
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: they you know, exist on the LA phase of the

1312
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: world and everything else and they get the requisite experience

1313
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: because man, like this didn't used to be the case,

1314
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: but now with the way regional MMA is set up,

1315
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: you can get a lot of really good experience there.

1316
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: You know, you can get five round fights, you can

1317
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: get guys who are D one wrestlers, you can get

1318
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of different stuff in ways that just wasn't

1319
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: as accessible ten or fifteen years ago for up and

1320
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: coming prospects and now just rushing to the UFC. This

1321
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: is what I always tell people, man, it's like everyone

1322
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: at UFC gains experience there and learns from it and

1323
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: gets better fair enough, and he's no different and I

1324
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: think he'll benefit like from that as every other athlete would.

1325
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: But this is not the place to get formative experience

1326
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: where it's the first time you have to do X,

1327
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: or it's the first time you have to do why

1328
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: in these very mundane scenarios, not like the Champion, where

1329
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: you know it's a very specific kind of thing that

1330
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: only happens in very narrow circumstances. I'm talking about formative experience,

1331
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: formative building blocks. To me, Aaron, here's what it looks like.

1332
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: His skill set is basically not ready at all for

1333
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: this level. They rushed him out here. He does seem

1334
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: to have some things that are very very good, and

1335
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: we'll see how you mentally resolute he is. But if

1336
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: you want to get the kind of building block experience

1337
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: to contend to the UFC, don't do it in the UFC.

1338
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: Do it before, because the process can get fucked up

1339
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: real badly from here. I very much think this is

1340
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: a whole I cannot guarantee disaster, and I hope we

1341
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: avoid it. But Aaron I got to tell you, I'm

1342
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: worried that we're headed to something approximating that.

1343
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not taking as much of a nuclear option

1344
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: on this as you are. You know, I mentioned Max

1345
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: all Away, and I think the difference with Max is

1346
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: that he was I think he became a champion at

1347
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: the regional level before he came to the UFC. If

1348
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 3: you look at Ruel Ross before he fought in Contender Series,

1349
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if he beat anybody with a winning record, right,

1350
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: So you're not getting the experience where you're being tested,

1351
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: where you're being put into deep water and you have

1352
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: to swim out of it.

1353
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: He never really experienced that.

1354
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: He was always the hammer and eventually you're gonna be

1355
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 3: in the nail on the UFC, and a loss in

1356
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: MMA is not a big deal. You can bounce back

1357
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: from it and you can show that you belong there.

1358
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: And I think against Jay Perron he showed that he

1359
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: was able to fight kind of again the lower rungs

1360
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: the bandamweight division and do well. So I'm gonna take

1361
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: a wait and see approach on this because I knew

1362
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: going into this fight how good Christian Rodriguez was.

1363
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: I don't think people knew about him or knew.

1364
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: His name, or unless you really follow the sport closely,

1365
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people were tuned into

1366
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: how good Christian Rodriguez was. So I've got to learn

1367
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: about whether this was more Christian Rodriguez, because again when

1368
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: I somehow Contenders Series, I thought to myself, this guy

1369
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: could be a champion one day.

1370
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: He's that good.

1371
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 3: So I've got to figure out is this more about

1372
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: gen Rodriguez or is this more about Robel Roses Junior.

1373
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: Because if Rubel Roses Junior comes back and is able

1374
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: to win two three fights in the UFC, again, the

1375
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: train's right back on the rails. I'm not willing to

1376
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: write him off. And I also, even though he's eighteen,

1377
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: I think he does have that in factor to him.

1378
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: You mentioned that he said he was gonna be a

1379
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: champion in the year, And while there are levels to

1380
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: delusion involved in that, fighters tend to have to be delusional,

1381
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: Like it's not that they whether they are or not delusional.

1382
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: A lot of the times you'll see fighters going to

1383
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: fights with bad injuries, like there's a level of delusion

1384
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: there that you have to have in order to win, right,

1385
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: Like you have to tell yourself, dude, I'm the best

1386
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: in the world.

1387
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: I can beat somebody with one hand tonight.

1388
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: Like my shoulder might pop out, and it might not

1389
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: pop out during the fight, Like maybe it's popped out

1390
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: thirty times in practice, but maybe tonight, Tonight's gonna be

1391
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: the night where my shoulder doesn't pop out and everything's

1392
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: gonna be fine.

1393
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: Because if you go into a fight and your TJ.

1394
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: Dillasign, you're fighting for the championship, and you say my

1395
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: shoulder is probably gonna pop out tonight, in.

1396
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: Fact, he told the official backstage. But TJ.

1397
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: Della Shaw's built differently, he has his career has I

1398
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: think benefited from a degree of delusion.

1399
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: And that's okay, Like rose a student for saying.

1400
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree, and I don't like yes. Like

1401
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: for sure, anybody who's ever talked to a high level

1402
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: MMA fighter, they have said things to you about what

1403
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna do that always sounded like ludicrous, and sometimes

1404
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: it was ludicrous, sometimes it wasn't. Sometimes it was right

1405
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: on the money. Here's what I mean. It's one thing

1406
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: for a guy who's twenty five, who's got good, good

1407
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: to decent experience on the regional scene, maybe has a

1408
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: loss or too, has fought tough guys, you know, has

1409
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: made maybe some money, not a lot or whatever, but

1410
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: they've got a certain amount of experience, and then they're

1411
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: still delusional. It's one thing to be delusional when you

1412
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: haven't even touched the world, right to your point, not

1413
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: having hardly any guys with a winning record. I looked

1414
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: at his record too. I think there may have been

1415
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: one guy on it, and the guy he beat on

1416
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: Contender series was pretty good, you know, relatively speaking. Yeah,

1417
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's not to say that he'd

1418
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: never be Yeah, he didn't face any adversity, but he

1419
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: didn't really get any kind of good taste. Yes, I

1420
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: can have delusions coming out of high school about what

1421
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of life I'm going to lead, but then life

1422
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: smacks the fuck out of you in the face. Do

1423
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: you have delusions after that? That's the question. Once you've

1424
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: got a little bit of experience in the world and

1425
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: you're like, WHOA, this might be a little bit tougher.

1426
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 1: Do you still have it up here to dream big

1427
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: and then go for it, which all people should on

1428
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: some level. I'm just saying I'll take someone who's twenty six,

1429
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: twenty seven, who has seen the world a little bit,

1430
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: got their ass kicked sometimes, and still wants to drive forward,

1431
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: versus just an eighteen year old kid who's wet behind

1432
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: the ears. I mean, this is my biggest issue with

1433
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: raw Raoul Rosas. He seems like a nice kid. He

1434
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: wants to do great things for himself. He does have

1435
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: some ability that I very much respect. But he is green.

1436
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: He is green. He is very much under develop He's

1437
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: the green banana at the grocery store. We're not talking plantains. Like.

1438
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: He's just underdeveloped. He's not really ready for this, and

1439
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: now he has to be something to get to the

1440
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: next left in the UFC. Hard to do, hard to do.

1441
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm glad you clarified that they weren't plantains, I mean anyway,

1442
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying. But listen, there are

1443
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 3: a lot of different samples that we can look at

1444
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 3: here of fighters that start really young. There are always

1445
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: going to be the Sage North Cuts and the Page

1446
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: Ban's Answer of the world, but then there's also the

1447
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: Macy Barber's of the world. There's that she's going to

1448
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: be the youngest champion in UFC history, and then she

1449
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: bases some adversity and she's able to bounce back and win.

1450
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: Some good fights.

1451
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: And then you've got Kelvin Gastolm, for example, who's still

1452
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 3: only thirty one years old, who is able to again

1453
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: have some ups and downs and get to a championship

1454
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: level and not win the championship and still get pretty far.

1455
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 3: And then, like I mentioned, there's the Max Holloway example.

1456
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: So I think it's going to come down to how

1457
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: skilled he is. I think it's going to come down

1458
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: to his development and how well he is able to develop.

1459
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 3: You mentioned the striking is quite a bit behind. And

1460
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 3: then there's also like another examples, Chase Hooper, who has

1461
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 3: phenomenal grappling, but you know, it took a little bit

1462
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: of time for the striking to catch up, and he's

1463
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: still is being beaten by like a Steve Garcia in

1464
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: his last fight and is then taking another kind of

1465
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: for long time off to go back to the drawing

1466
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: board and figure out when he you know, what he's

1467
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: going to be able to do from here. There's bumps

1468
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: in the road in MMA for everybody, and I think

1469
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: that again I'm willing to give him the benefit of

1470
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 3: the doubt. On this one, because I do think Christian

1471
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: Rodriguez is really good.

1472
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: So I'm taking away and see approach.

1473
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm not as concerned as you are, perhaps, but I

1474
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: also understand what you're saying and believe the what you're

1475
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 3: saying certainly could come to fruition. It's just there are

1476
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 3: a lot of different examples that we can point to,

1477
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: and I don't know if we can necessarily point to

1478
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 3: how Raoul Rose's junior's career is going to go from here.

1479
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 3: I think he's in one of the toughest divisions in

1480
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: the sport. I think he faced a really tough kid

1481
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: who not a lot of people knew about, and that

1482
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: Roses was a favorite based on his popularity and based

1483
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: on his hype and trajectory.

1484
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: I get that. But I'm willing to write this off

1485
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: as him just facing a better fighter on Saturday.

1486
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's crazy. And just to clarify,

1487
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm not making a prediction about how it's going to go.

1488
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: The future is very unknowable, right, I just mean to

1489
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: say that, I'll put it this way. If I was

1490
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: his management, I would not have put him into the

1491
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: UFC this early. That's all. I just think that was

1492
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: a mistake. Not to say he can't overcome it, but

1493
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: I think that was a mistake. Now, before we move

1494
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: on to the boxing, here real quickly, if I may

1495
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: two pieces, I want to get to number one. What

1496
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: can you tell us about the UFC's return to Canada.

1497
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 1: I saw you break some of this news for folks

1498
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: who may not have heard very quickly. Tell us what

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So a couple of weeks ago, the thought was

1501
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: that the UFC was going to either go to Vancouver

1502
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 3: or Calgary, and then it shifted pretty dramatically to Calgary.

1503
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 3: And then it turned out that there was some sort

1504
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 3: of scheduling conflict with the arena, and I don't know

1505
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: if that was necessarily Dana White said there was a

1506
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 3: minor hockey team that had it booked.

1507
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe that is the case.

1508
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: I think that they were probably holding the arena in

1509
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 3: case the Flames make it to the playoffs and could

1510
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 3: get to the Stanley Cup. Like, if you're you know,

1511
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 3: an arena, you have to have it planned that you

1512
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: are going to be in the Stanley Cup or whatever

1513
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: sport if you're gonna be the finals, Like, the arena

1514
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 3: has to be on hold. So a lot of people

1515
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: were like, Oh, the Flames aren't gonna make it to

1516
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 3: the finals. So it's like it doesn't matter. The city

1517
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: of Calgary is not gonna, like the arena is not

1518
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 3: gonna come out and be like we're gonna hold this

1519
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: UFC event here because we don't think the Flames are

1520
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: gonna make it to the Stanley Cup. Like what does

1521
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: that say to the team?

1522
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: Right? Like it's just not something that you can do.

1523
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: So I think the tides last week about midwek last

1524
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: week really shifted towards Vancouver and they were gonna going

1525
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: away from Calgary and the Calgary was basically out because

1526
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 3: they wanted to get the announcement out there by this weekend.

1527
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 3: They were hoping, I think that the Flames were going

1528
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 3: to be out by then so that they could go

1529
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: forward with that announcement. That wasn't the case. The earliest

1530
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 3: the Flames could be eliminated, I believe, is Monday today,

1531
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: so they had to go with their backup plan, which

1532
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: was Vancouver. And I think that Vancouver's a great spot

1533
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 3: for the UFC, especially in June and June. There's no

1534
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 3: better place to be than Vancouver. Vancouver and June is

1535
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 3: like one of the most beautiful places in the world.

1536
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: And then I was hearing rumblings that Nonez was likely

1537
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: going to headline the event. Weren't sure if it was

1538
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: going to be against al Donna or Pana. It was

1539
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: kind of a discussion, and then very swiftly it was

1540
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: a parent that it was going to be Panya. So

1541
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 3: I kind of knew that that was where they were

1542
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: going with the main event. I didn't know if it

1543
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: was done or not. Then when I interviewed Dana White,

1544
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: I said, you know what, do you have a main

1545
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: event for this? And he said yes, and volunteer the information, So,

1546
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, good news for me. But that's basically what

1547
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: the situation was. It just kind of pivoted from Calgary

1548
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 3: to Vancouver.

1549
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: Why were they so interested in going to Calgary? And like,

1550
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: what's so great? I mean, I'm not being dismissive of Calgary.

1551
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, why were they so Why was that

1552
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: their number one target? I guess is what I'm asking.

1553
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure they haven't had a pay per

1554
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 3: view in Calgary since I think it was UFC one

1555
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: forty nine, where the event just absolutely fell on its

1556
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: base and was terrible, and then they said they were

1557
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: going to make it up to Calgary one day, and

1558
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: some people, for whatever reason, completely forget that Dana White

1559
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 3: had his fiftieth birthday in Calgary, headlined by Eddie Alvarez

1560
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: and Dustin Poier.

1561
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: I think they made it up to Calgary. I think

1562
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: Calgary's good now.

1563
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: Joanna and Jaychik was on that card, like they made

1564
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: it up to Calgary. I don't think they need to

1565
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: hold a pay per view there, but I think they

1566
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: just wanted to hold a pay per view there. The

1567
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 3: last event that they did in Canada was in Vancouver,

1568
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: so maybe they just wanted to go to another city.

1569
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: And as much as people are gonna dislike me for

1570
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: saying this.

1571
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 3: There's basically only five viable pay per view cities in Canada.

1572
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: You've got Vancouver, You've got Toronto, You've got Edmonton, and

1573
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: you've got Montreal.

1574
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: Is that four?

1575
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

1576
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: Sorry? Four?

1577
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: This five?

1578
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: So Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal. So those are

1579
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: the five. I must have missed one on that first count.

1580
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: They're not really going to do a pay per view

1581
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: in Ottawa, I don't think. So. Those are the kind

1582
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 3: of the five cities, so any given year, that's where

1583
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 3: the paper view is going to be. They haven't done

1584
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: one in Montreal and it's got to be close to

1585
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: ten years now. But yeah, Calgary is a good choice

1586
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: for a pay per view.

1587
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: Is a good city.

1588
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: The province of Alberta has a ton of rampant fight fans.

1589
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 3: It's a massive you know, when they went to Edmonton,

1590
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 3: fans were in the arena for the very first fight,

1591
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: like it was probably seventy five percent full for the

1592
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 3: very first fight.

1593
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: They eat it up there.

1594
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: So I think that Calgary would have been a good

1595
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 3: option too. But Vancouver is just such a beautiful city

1596
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: in June, and I think that event will do very well.

1597
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: You know what's so weird as I go back to

1598
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Fighter Nations Bisping versus Canada, and they had

1599
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: that at in Quebec City at the again I'm sure

1600
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: that my pronunciation is going to be terrible. The call

1601
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: a ce Pepsi Pepsi Coliseum for five thousand people, And

1602
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: I was like, why is this fucking event here of

1603
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: all places? And then they just stopped going to Canada

1604
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: by and large not too long after this. It's really weird.

1605
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: They used to be either so much more regularly, including

1606
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: in Quebec city of all places, and now it's like

1607
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: we're down to five cities for a pay per view. Yeah,

1608
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: I suppose it's true. You know, it's just kind of weird.

1609
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a lot of options for fight nights.

1610
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that in terms of pay per views,

1611
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 3: I don't think they've done a pay per view outside

1612
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: of those cities in general. So I don't see pay

1613
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 3: per views going anywhere outside of those cities, to be

1614
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: perfectly honest, Like those are the big metropolitans in Canada.

1615
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went to the Shields GSP card in Toronto

1616
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: nine whatever one that was. I was there too, Dude,

1617
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: Toronto's rate. I love Toronto. What a great city that is.

1618
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, I wish they'd go back to someone who

1619
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: lives here, are right? What am I? I'm telling you

1620
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: this shit all right, Last, but not least, UFC president

1621
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: Dana White afterwards suggested they might make a bunch of

1622
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: they might make an annual stop in Miami. I want

1623
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: to know if it's a good idea, but I want

1624
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: to ask it in this way. Certainly that event was

1625
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: a success. Certainly I watched at home. I felt like

1626
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: I got my money forward on pay per view. You

1627
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: were there. We're all talking about how great it was.

1628
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: But one thing I'm beginning to notice that I'm a

1629
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about. You mentioned the gate was astronomical,

1630
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: right it was. You talk to like the London fans,

1631
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: and here's what they say. They're like, yeah, man, listen,

1632
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: you can be in London. You can throw up a

1633
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: big event and charge outrageous ticket prices and people will

1634
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: pay for it because that's just London Saturday night out

1635
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But you're pricing out all of the

1636
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: basically the middle class and every working class fans who

1637
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: can't afford the tickets. It sounds like something else happened

1638
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: like that in Miami. Now is this just they do

1639
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: this on on occasion in certain cities, Aaron? Is this

1640
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: the new way the UFC's going to be doing these

1641
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: big events? Because I like the idea of going to

1642
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: South Florida. It'd be great for me because we obviously

1643
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: have a CBS office in Fort Lauderdale. But I'm a

1644
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about these like huge gates that are

1645
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: great for UFC but are pricing out everyone who's not

1646
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: there for the show, like in London or in Miami.

1647
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they will price everybody out if you if you

1648
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: know how much Florida's grown in the last basically since

1649
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 3: the pandemic, the amount of people that have moved down

1650
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: to Florida, and it's just such a booming economy there

1651
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 3: right now, and the level of affluence is just unreal.

1652
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 3: Like I was staying in a part of Miami called

1653
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 3: Brickle and apparently the condos there cost like twelve million

1654
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: dollars for a condo or something along those lines. I

1655
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: was walking, I'm seeing Bentley's left and right, Like, the

1656
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 3: amount of affluents in Miami and South Florida right now

1657
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 3: is through the roof. If they did a card in

1658
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 3: January there every year in Miami, with the amount of

1659
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: people that come the you know, the snow that come

1660
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: down and spend time in South Florida every single year,

1661
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna do a gate like that every year, Like

1662
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 3: it almost doesn't matter what they headlined with, because the

1663
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: level of affluence in that area right now is just

1664
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: absolutely unbelievable.

1665
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: It's it's unbelievable. Like there's no really other way to

1666
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: describe it.

1667
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, our producer here is saying that

1668
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: the Newark tickets for just the Nosebleeds on the pre

1669
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: sale were two hundred plus, so like the worst seats were.

1670
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: It goes back to something I've been saying for a while,

1671
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: like number one, go to regional MMA because it's cheap,

1672
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: you support your local fighters, smaller venue, smaller venue you

1673
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: can get, you can get much better seats that way,

1674
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: sometimes the action's pretty good. And then on top of it,

1675
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: go to the fight nights. If Now, the UFC obviously

1676
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: has been in the apex for a long time and

1677
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: there's still that still plays a big role, but they

1678
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: are doing more fight like they did the Fight night

1679
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: with Yaeir and uh and Brian Ortega in Long Island,

1680
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: and obviously the main event didn't work out, but that

1681
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: idea I think is just going to be better for

1682
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: the fans. But for the pay per views, man, it

1683
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: looks like it's either your big dollar or your nothing.

1684
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: Although I will say one thing about Miami, it's not

1685
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: Florida in general. It's also showy wealth that people don't have.

1686
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: Like to your point, absolutely true, like there's tons of

1687
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: money down there, there are also a lot of people

1688
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: who don't have tons of money, who pretend to, who

1689
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: rent the Bentley's on the weekends and then turn them

1690
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: back in on Sunday. You know what I'm saying.

1691
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: I guess I do. I don't know, though I can't

1692
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 2: tell them apart, I can't tell them.

1693
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me, it's a big thing. It's a huge

1694
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: thing down there.

1695
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for it. It's not of interest to me.

1696
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: But I see what you're saying.

1697
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, hey, Vancouver is probably the most

1698
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 3: affluent city in Canada too, so they're going to places

1699
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 3: where they can sell tickets for big money.

1700
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Abu dabi. It's known for being an opulent place.

1701
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 3: So, like you said, if you really are a diehard

1702
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: MMA fan and you want to experience mm A, regional

1703
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: events are awesome.

1704
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: They're smaller venues.

1705
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: It's worth supporting your local fighters and helping grow your

1706
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 3: grassroots community. And fight nights you can also get pretty

1707
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 3: good seats. But I also think the fight night tickets

1708
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: are going to start going on too, right, Like, the

1709
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: UFC have really figured out a way to maximize their

1710
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 3: gate potential for these events. And I don't know if

1711
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 3: it's because of the pandemic, but I do think that

1712
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: the growth of the sport during the pandemic certainly makes

1713
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 3: more people interested in going thro their live events than

1714
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: ever before.

1715
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think is absolutely true. Let's talk a

1716
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: little bit. I know you're not the biggest boxing fan,

1717
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: but topic number five, let's do a quick boxing roundup

1718
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: if we can. Let's go first for these showtime side

1719
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: of things. I had to call the prelimbs solo because

1720
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: BC's on vacation, but I did it. It was kind

1721
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: of fun. And in the main event, I don't know,

1722
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 1: you must have seen this right erin the main event,

1723
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: just the final sequence there, Brian Mendoza. We must have

1724
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: the footage, Please roll it if we do. Brian Mendoza,

1725
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: look at this left hook. I mean, you gotta be

1726
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: absolutely shitting me with that shot. What a brilliant shot.

1727
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: And I want to tell this story if I can,

1728
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: about Brian Mendoza, because it doesn't matter if you're a

1729
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: boxing fan, and it doesn't matter if or an MMA

1730
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: fan or one of the other. What a story this

1731
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: guy has about a year ago, A little bit longer,

1732
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: but about a year ago, Aaron, this guy was on

1733
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: swing Bouts at the end of cards where people are

1734
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: leaving and the lights are coming on and you're just

1735
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: they're fitting you in. At the end. He had a

1736
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: loss to Hayesus Ramos, who was really really good, who

1737
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: just be Joey Spencer on the Benevitas plant card. So

1738
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like he was in these like on

1739
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: these situations that don't go anywhere. He did get a

1740
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: better fight, but then he lost. Then last year or

1741
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: actually not even long ago, like six or eight months ago,

1742
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: he gets a short notice fight less than two weeks

1743
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: to take on former two division chap or two belt

1744
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: holder Jason Rosario up away class at one sixty ice

1745
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: is him with one of the most insane uppercuts you'll

1746
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: ever see one punch. Rosario, at age twenty seven, retired

1747
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: from the sport after that. Then it gets him this

1748
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: fight against Sebastian Fundora, who, by the way, is six

1749
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: foot six, one hundred and fifty four pounds and has

1750
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: a longer reach than old Alexandra usaquiz three of the

1751
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: four heavyweight titles. So let's back up a step. About

1752
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: a year or so ago, he's on swing bouts. He

1753
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: gets a short notice call up a weight class, wins

1754
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: it in dramatic fashion, gets an interim title shot against

1755
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: this kid and ices him with a single shot. Look

1756
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: at his left hook he's about to throw right here,

1757
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 1: I mean, just fucking phenomenal as he steps in bang

1758
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: right over the top, catches him. What a story for

1759
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: Brian Mendoza. You were just talking about how it's never

1760
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: too late, don't count guys out. Brian Mendoza living proof

1761
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,759
Speaker 1: that what you're saying is true.

1762
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 3: Well, if if showtime we're looking to do Bondora versus Charlo,

1763
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: they're all like mcvain. Now Mendoza, this guy comes and

1764
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 3: spoils the party. I mean, what a left hook just

1765
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: from the absolute depths to take him out. I mean,

1766
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: absolutely unbelievable, and like, yeah, like we talked about you

1767
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 3: look at Jorge Mosbital. It's never too late, man, like

1768
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: the stories of a lot of these combat sports athletes

1769
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 3: that just hit lightning in a bottle at the right time,

1770
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 3: And it looks like Mendoza certainly fits that mold.

1771
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: You know, who do you think is next for him?

1772
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 3: Because I think that a win like that starts to

1773
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 3: get him into these Really, I mean, this was already

1774
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 3: a big fight but into the really upper echelon of

1775
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 3: big fights in boxing.

1776
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, here's the problem, Like,

1777
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: this is why this fight came to be. Mendoza was

1778
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: looking for a win after beating Rosari or looking for

1779
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: a fight. Excuse me, after beating Rosario, I wanted to

1780
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 1: go back to one fifty four. So okay, that sets

1781
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: him up. Dude, Fundora beat Lubin a while ago ericson Lubin.

1782
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: That made him the mandatory for Charlo. But Charlo was

1783
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: supposed to take on Zoo. That was supposed to happen.

1784
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: It couldn't happen. So Zoo fights Tony Harrison in Australia.

1785
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: He wins that one, and now they're supposed to make it.

1786
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: But the hand of Charlo is all messed up, so

1787
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: it's still Zuo who's going to be fighting him. So

1788
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: the winner of this didn't really get a title shot,

1789
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: even though it makes them the mandatory for Charlo. But

1790
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: it's less about that, right because even Fundora was asked like,

1791
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: if you win this, do you think you'll fight Charlo next?

1792
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: And he's like probably not right, Like I have no

1793
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: fucking idea how this is gonna go so I'm just

1794
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: trying to stay busy fair enough. And he took on

1795
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: a tough, tough guy like this, so it doesn't really

1796
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: set him up right away for anything. He's gonna have

1797
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: to defend this interim strap maybe once or twice. If

1798
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: he can, maybe they give him Tony Harrison, maybe he

1799
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: comes back around. It's really hard to say what they're

1800
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: gonna do with him, But I just I just love

1801
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: fucking stories like this. I love guys who in boxing. Man,

1802
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get a good opportunity. You have

1803
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: to take it on short notice, you have to take

1804
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 1: it against someone else in their hometown, you have to

1805
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: take it when the other guy is the network favorite

1806
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: whatever that It is all different kind of circumstances that

1807
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: can crop up in different fights where you just have

1808
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: to negotiate a great degree of unfairness. And he did.

1809
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, back to back Lightning and Thunderous,

1810
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: both of them KOs for Brian Mendoza one oh one

1811
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: sixty one fifty four. You gotta love it, just real quickly.

1812
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: I want to mention this. We don't have to take

1813
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: it into the details at all. Shaquer Stevenson in Newark Way,

1814
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: where he is from defeated Schuchiro Yoshina at KO one

1815
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: thirty five of round number six. I don't know to

1816
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: what extent you saw any of this fight of the highlights.

1817
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: Here's the deal, right, Stevenson in one of these like

1818
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: prodigies in the sport, but missed weight on the scales

1819
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: at one thirty, so he loses all his belts, goes

1820
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: up to one thirty five, takes on Yoshino and beat

1821
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: this dude from pillar to post. I mean it wasn't

1822
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: even close at all. So it sets up a potential

1823
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: fight between him and the winner of Devin Haney and Lomachenko.

1824
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 1: So for folks who've been kind of waiting on Stevenson

1825
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: to get the right weight class, and he's always been

1826
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: good defensively and slick and sharp and out pointing. But

1827
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: this time, man, he beat the fuck out of Yoshino. Really,

1828
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: really a dominant performance by Shaker Stevenson, the future I think,

1829
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: honestly of American boxing, if I can be honest, Yeah.

1830
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about, Like, this is what

1831
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 3: we need to see in boxing, because he loses the

1832
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 3: belts at one thirty on the scales and that's never

1833
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: a good thing, and he says, I'm never doing that again.

1834
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: Goes up to thirty five, where this better competition has

1835
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 3: a performance like this. It's like, now we're looking ahead

1836
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 3: to some great matchups which we always see fall apart

1837
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 3: in boxing, but now we can see Shaque Stevenson versus

1838
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 3: Loma or versus Haney. It's like, sign me up, man, Like,

1839
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 3: now we're getting to see like the best of the

1840
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: best in fights that are just gonna be awesome and

1841
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: will absolutely deliver because it's just the absolute highest level.

1842
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: And Shaque Stephenson is certainly in that echelon and is

1843
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: moving his way up like this is somebody that everybody

1844
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: should be excited to watch.

1845
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,879
Speaker 1: And also like, you know Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia

1846
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: in twelve days? Is that one thirty six? You know

1847
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: Tank fights at one thirty five two? Like, dude, the

1848
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: names that won thirty five, So many great fights you

1849
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: can make over there.

1850
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean there's no better time to be

1851
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 3: a fan of that, you know, the smaller fighters in boxing,

1852
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,440
Speaker 3: because there are so many good ones. And I think inevitably,

1853
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: as long as people can figure out the red tape

1854
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 3: and the politics that always waters boxing down, We're going

1855
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 3: to get to see a lot of great fights, and

1856
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: I think that that's you know, it's an exciting time

1857
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 3: to be about because you know, as Dana White has

1858
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 3: always said in the past, you know, it's always a

1859
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: going out of business sale and the.

1860
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: Big fights always fall apart.

1861
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 3: It seems like we're starting to trend toward the big

1862
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 3: fights happening more often than not, which I just love

1863
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 3: to see.

1864
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other part too is you know, we

1865
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: don't know Brian and I don't know anything, but there

1866
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: have been some rumblings for a June matchup between Spencer Crawford,

1867
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: which I know has fallen through a million times, so

1868
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: I think people are rightly waiting for that to be

1869
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: like fully official and everything. But you know, just getting

1870
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: Tank and Ryan out there, and it was sad we

1871
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: didn't get Usick and Fury, but to your point, yeah, time, yeah,

1872
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: there's still time. And also like just these young and

1873
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: also he got injured, but Stephen Fulton Junior taking Annoya

1874
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: in a way is you know, the it's the young

1875
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: guys in boxing that are leading the charge. It's the

1876
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: young guys who are taking on risk and like signing

1877
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: up for shit that some of the older ones aren't

1878
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: doing so I really appreciate that. Also, one last note

1879
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,520
Speaker 1: on the boxing side, if I may Bam Bam Rodriguez,

1880
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: one broke his jaw in the sixth round and then

1881
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: fought six more rounds with a broken jaw and one

1882
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: so put some respect on his name. Also, mir John Akmadaliev,

1883
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: who was supposed to be the other guy across Stephen Fulton,

1884
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: who is like the hammer of all hammers. He lost

1885
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: to be a decision, which is interesting as well. Okay,

1886
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: that is it for our top five. With that in mind,

1887
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 1: let's do dms from the diggity donks, shall we? All Right,

1888
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: you guys know the drill. We put up posts on

1889
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: social media. Y'all fill him up with questions. The producers

1890
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: pick him and then we answer him. Here, Aaron, I

1891
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: will go to you first. From Dollin M. Johnson, what

1892
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: were your thoughts? A good question? What were your thoughts

1893
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: on Izzy taunting Pata's kid after the fight classless or

1894
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: did he have it coming? Now? If you folks you

1895
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: haven't seen his son after Padana knocked Izzy out in

1896
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: the second kickboxing fight, there it is. He falls over

1897
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: and pretends like he's Izzy, just sort of mocking how

1898
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: he fell. And then here comes Izzy. He points at

1899
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: the kids, walks over to him, and then collapses like

1900
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: they did to him back in his second kickboxing fire.

1901
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: There he is right there. You can see him doing it,

1902
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: all right, Aaron Classless? Or did he have it coming?

1903
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: All right?

1904
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: Dollin M. Johnson. Here's my take on this.

1905
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: When you look at that situation, it's very very petty

1906
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: for him to do that. And what did he say

1907
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: in the post fight interview. I'm a petty guy. And

1908
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: that's the explanation that you need because it was a

1909
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 3: very petty thing to do. But Israel keeps receipts. We've

1910
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 3: known this about Israel. This should not come as a

1911
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 3: surprise to anybody. And this is people are gonna hate

1912
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: me for saying this because ye I'm a father of three,

1913
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 3: so I have the credentials to say this. Sportsmanship is

1914
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 3: important in life. It's really important to show good sportsmanship.

1915
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 3: What his son did to Israel is of course bad sportsmanship.

1916
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 3: And he's just a kid, and I get it. He's

1917
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 3: just like he's just playing around and he doesn't know

1918
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: any better. But several years down the line, Israel does

1919
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 3: this to him and he learns a lesson from it

1920
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 3: as a kid, where it's like you got to be

1921
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: a good sport because what goes around comes around, And

1922
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 3: it's like, listen, it's a kid, I know it.

1923
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 2: Believe me, I get it. It's a kid.

1924
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 3: But do you not think that the kid learned a

1925
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 3: lesson from that, Like it's not the end of the

1926
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 3: world for him. And I'm sure he's sad at the

1927
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 3: time that his dad got hurt and was knocked out,

1928
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: but it was probably really sad for Israel at the time.

1929
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: But he got knocked out, right, like that probably hurt

1930
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: Israel's feelings. And if you hurt someone's feelings and they

1931
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 3: have a chance to hurt your feelings back and teach

1932
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 3: you a lesson, that's one of those lessons you learn

1933
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: in life coming up and listen, I don't want to

1934
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 3: see an adult pick on children. I understand that that's

1935
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,560
Speaker 3: not the right thing to do and that it's a

1936
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 3: petty move. That is real acknowledged that it was a

1937
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: petty move, and I don't think that it's gonna be

1938
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 3: that damaging for the kid to see that and be like, well, listen, now,

1939
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 3: I've learned that when I do something like this to

1940
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: hurt someone's feelings, they can hurt my feelings back. It's

1941
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: very It's something that you teach kids in school and

1942
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 3: as kids, like I teach my children this, don't hurt

1943
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: your sister's feelings because you're gonna be in trouble and

1944
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to go to your room and then

1945
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: your feelings are gonna be hurt. That's how we teach

1946
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: children lessons. And it's not Israel's responsibility to teach Alex

1947
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 3: Pereira's kittless, and it's Alex's responsibility. But that's how I

1948
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: feel about it. It's everybody's saying it's classless and he's

1949
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: not a good sportsman and all that. And again I

1950
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 3: agree that it was a petty thing to do, but

1951
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 3: It'srael acknowledge that, and I think we just move on.

1952
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I don't like it. I

1953
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: don't I didn't love it, and I still don't love it.

1954
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: But I'm at this stage where like, for example, remember

1955
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: the big bruja ha like a week or two ago

1956
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: whatever it was, when I think it was what's her name,

1957
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and the women's She plays for Iowa basketball,

1958
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: and she did the you can't see me bit and

1959
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: then I think her name is Angela Reese did it

1960
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: to her later, and there was this big controversy about this.

1961
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I didn't like either of them

1962
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't there's I don't mind like a

1963
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: little bit of trash talk. But I have to tell you,

1964
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: like in sports, I don't I don't really thrive off

1965
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, there are times when it's really good,

1966
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: and there's times when it counts, but like, it just

1967
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: seems like we're living in an age where sports athletes

1968
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: are almost expected to be, you know, really really shitty

1969
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: to one another, and then there's a whole group of

1970
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: people who really get off on it. I'm not saying

1971
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: you do. I'm just saying that there does appear to

1972
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: be people who really like it. So I don't really

1973
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: love it. But it just seems like the toothpastes out

1974
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: of the tube on this one where everyone just decides

1975
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: in sports, you know, this is kind of part of it.

1976
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: And I think that what I don't love what is

1977
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: he did at all? To be quite clear, But like

1978
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to say anymore. It just

1979
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: seems like this is where we're at with professional sports today,

1980
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: where we just I think people are drawing a line

1981
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a competitor, so that's a little bit different,

1982
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: But then he inserted himself into the equation as a

1983
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: as a child. I don't love it, is the short answer.

1984
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: But I also just have to say in general, I

1985
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: don't love our overall. I don't love the way we're

1986
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: the place we're at in professional sports with trash talk

1987
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: and like stunting on opponent after a loss. I'm just

1988
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: not It doesn't too much for me.

1989
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 3: I would like it a lot less if Israel didn't

1990
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 3: say he was being petty. The fact that he acknowledges

1991
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 3: that he was being petty, and I was like his

1992
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 3: first instinct was to acknowledge that he was being petty,

1993
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 3: I think I can accept that a little bit more

1994
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 3: because he's being honest about it. Listen, he dunked one

1995
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: a kid at the end of the day. That's not

1996
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: the classiest thing to do, but like it.

1997
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 4: Like M said, Aaron, yeah, fuck them kids, right exactly.

1998
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 4: I took that personally in the full MJ mode. I

1999
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 4: saw that kid fall to the ground and I took

2000
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 4: that personally. But yeah, Israel is known to keep receipts,

2001
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 4: and I mean he did the bow and arrow thing

2002
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 4: with Alex.

2003
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just how Isra has.

2004
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 3: Israel not shown in the past that he's a brash

2005
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 3: individual that when he's got his emotions going, he does

2006
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 3: all kinds of wacky things.

2007
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: That's who Israel is.

2008
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 3: And listen, if you don't like Israel, you're certainly not

2009
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: gonna like him more for doing that. And if you

2010
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: love Israel and you love the way that he's done

2011
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 3: these kind of history onics in the past, you're.

2012
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 2: Gonna love Israel more. That's just the way it is.

2013
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 3: And that's why we live in a soil that is

2014
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 3: completely divided.

2015
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Right now, the only time I ever got mad at

2016
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: someone the only time, and folks, I don't remember this,

2017
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: and he's obviously a very different person right now. Also,

2018
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: I will say I'm a little bit more sympathetic to

2019
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: what guys do immediately after a fight than I am,

2020
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: like a week later, you know, when their brains have

2021
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: calmed down a little bit. But Michael Bisping had a

2022
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: really contentious rivalry with Jorge Rivera and then after the fight,

2023
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: he went and spat on their corner. Now again, I

2024
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: want to be clear. I like Michael a lot, and

2025
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 1: I think he has calmed down significantly, and you know,

2026
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: and I don't condone that, but it's pretty clear that

2027
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: like these guys right after fights, you know, they do

2028
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: like their brains are hopped up on all kinds of

2029
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: chemicals quite literally, and they're just not themselves sometimes. Now

2030
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: he doubled down on and afterwards on social media? Is

2031
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: he did? But I am at least a little bit

2032
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: forgiving in the aftermath.

2033
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And from what I remember with Biss being in Rivera,

2034
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 3: Rivera's team was doing all kinds of wacky stuff to

2035
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: him that whole week in the leader of them, it

2036
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily forgive it. And like you said, in that moment,

2037
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 3: you're just running on pure adrenaline and your brain is

2038
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: like do this, and it's like, yeah, okay, I'll do that.

2039
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 3: Like you don't really have that filter in that moment,

2040
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 3: all right.

2041
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: From at Dog dot Stone, this is a fun question.

2042
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: After witnessing the quadrilogies between Figuredo and Moreno and now

2043
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: Izzy and Poeton, has mma math possibly found its greatest equation,

2044
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: namely nerd who can fight plus scary Brazilian dude equals

2045
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: dynamite rivalry. What do you think of the math?

2046
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 2: Well, that adds up.

2047
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I like it.

2048
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 3: But what happens if Kyle Barralio, the fight nerd, ends

2049
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 3: up coming up and he's like a scary Brazilian guy

2050
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 3: who's also a nerd, He's like that, He's that fight

2051
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: as one human being. So we're gonna get really meta

2052
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: on that. But yeah, listen, certain matchups in the sport

2053
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 3: are always going to be cool and are always going

2054
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: to deliver. And I think that both those rivalries certainly

2055
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 3: did that. I don't know if it's a coincidence that

2056
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 3: one guy's a super nerdy guy and the other one

2057
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 3: is like a scary Brazilian guy, but yeah, I don't

2058
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 3: know if there's an other example that have to really

2059
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 3: think about that, but well.

2060
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what he's really saying, And

2061
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: these guys are in the same weight class, right, like

2062
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 1: a figuraedo on Mareno and then and then obviously the

2063
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: two middlewe it's just David versus Goliath, at least in

2064
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: people's minds, right, It's one guy who's super fucking scary

2065
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and one guy who's definitely not, at least relative to

2066
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: the opponent. And there's that fun little interplay between these

2067
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: images of might and then what are supposed to be

2068
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 1: sometimes the opposite. Obviously, we really know these guys are

2069
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,520
Speaker 1: all pretty dangerous. That David and Goliath kind of idea

2070
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: seems to be permeating here.

2071
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 2: I think this one's a little bit different than a

2072
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 2: lot of these other rivalries.

2073
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 1: Beau is.

2074
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 3: To me, this was more of a David versus Goliath thing,

2075
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Like this was can a guy overcome all of these

2076
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 3: mental hurdles At the time, I'm sure he feels like David,

2077
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 3: he's smaller than this guy, and in his mind this

2078
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 3: is his Goliath. He's this massive guy that's been able

2079
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 3: to beat him on three occasions. Like I don't know

2080
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 3: if we've really seen any examples of someone and we

2081
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 3: talked about this earlier that's been able to really overcome

2082
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 3: those kind of odds and the kind of mountainous thought

2083
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 3: process that goes into having to beat somebody who has

2084
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 3: consistently beat you over time. I think that's what made

2085
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,440
Speaker 3: this particular arrivalry.

2086
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Special from Nate the Great lux who revived their career

2087
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:23,440
Speaker 1: more Gastolum or font.

2088
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Oh, great question, I'm gonna go Gastolum. I think people

2089
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 2: have really written gas Oh.

2090
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: I disagree with that.

2091
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't think.

2092
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't think people wrote Rob vant Off. Like if

2093
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,879
Speaker 3: you watched the commentary of that Gastolm fight, when Gastollum

2094
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: is landing good shots, they're like, oh my god, Calvin

2095
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 3: Gastlum knows how to punch and kickstill and can still

2096
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 3: hurt people, Like it seemed like they thought Chris Curtis

2097
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 3: was going to destroy him the whole fight.

2098
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 2: They're talking about how.

2099
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: Great gas Gaslum looks great, Gasla looked great, and what

2100
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 3: was a really close fight, Like a fight that I

2101
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: think you could argue, Chris Curtis if you would have

2102
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 3: given the rounds two and three, Like, I don't think

2103
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 3: you could add a massive problem with that.

2104
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: But like, I just thought they were talking about Gastlum

2105
01:30:59,280 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 2: like they.

2106
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 3: Expected to just get completely face planted and obliterated, not

2107
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 3: to mention that Gaslum has had all sorts of health

2108
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 3: issues you had to pull out of all these fights. Like,

2109
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: I think the expectations were very low for Kelvin going

2110
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 3: into this fight, and he really exceeded them, whereas with

2111
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: Rob Font, I think people knew that was going to

2112
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 3: be a close fight. I don't think people have written

2113
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 3: Rob vont off. I think, you know, from an optic standpoint,

2114
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 3: it looks like this young up and comers being set

2115
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 3: up to beat the veteran. But I think that Gasolum,

2116
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 3: in my opinion, you know, got back a lot more

2117
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 3: that he had lost prior to this fight than Rob

2118
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 3: vont And I don't think Rob wont had lost that

2119
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 3: much steam.

2120
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I will agree. See, here's the problem, right to your point,

2121
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean Gaslam had way more like his stock had

2122
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 1: dropped so far right, he had to change teams, like

2123
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: all kinds to put your health issues, all kinds of

2124
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: shit right, And so given that the expectations were so

2125
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: low and he performed ably, there was this like, wow,

2126
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: he looked really great. The problem for me is, and

2127
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: to your point about font Font, he wasn't written off.

2128
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 1: He was just kind of there over there, but he

2129
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: wasn't really in the mix of where people had certainly

2130
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: their bandsom waight atention. I think it was a fair

2131
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: way to put that. So in that sense, I think

2132
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: you're right, But the problem for me is I think

2133
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: that Gasolm won it two rounds to one, but that

2134
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: head butt in the second made it so dicey, Like, Yeah,

2135
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I spoke a little bit over the weekend to Chris Curtis,

2136
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: and he's just beside himself about the head butt because

2137
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: he did get knocked out. He told me he got

2138
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: knocked out and then he came to like in the

2139
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: middle of just getting hit from the head butt and

2140
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 1: then had to kind of rebound and still was only

2141
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: like a couple to strike short numerically anyway in the

2142
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: second round that he won the third round, I thought

2143
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: pretty cleanly, although one judge gave me three twenty seven. Whatever.

2144
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: The point being is, it was really close, like it

2145
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like a dominant performance, whereas Font came in there

2146
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 1: and just rat, you know what I mean, Like he

2147
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: just blew the fucking doors off of him, and so

2148
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Gaslin had further to go, and so I think in

2149
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 1: that sense, maybe he revived it more, but Font put

2150
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: that put the stamp on the evening, that's all.

2151
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Curtis possibly win that fight if the referee

2152
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 3: calls time out for that clashing of heads, because then

2153
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 3: the judges know that that's why he ended up on

2154
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 3: the ground. The result of that fight continuing, and that

2155
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 3: really did I think cost Chris Curtis. The fight is

2156
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 3: prior to getting dropped by the clashing of heads, he

2157
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 3: landed some real stinging shots against Gaslam in that second round,

2158
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 3: So I think that really was the turning point there.

2159
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: And it's tough.

2160
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 3: I mean, these things happen so fast that you know,

2161
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 3: sometimes in real time, a referee just doesn't see it

2162
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 3: and it happens. I mean, the commentary can talk about

2163
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 3: it and say that they saw it and they're showing

2164
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 3: it on the replay. They have that luxury. The officials

2165
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 3: don't have that luxury. The judges, the referee, none of

2166
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 3: them had that luxury. So I think that's a fair

2167
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 3: point by Chris Curtis.

2168
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, last thing I'd say on this

2169
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: is for Chris Curtis. I love the way he fights.

2170
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,759
Speaker 1: I love that he is such a sort of box

2171
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: or an MMA, but he does a lot of body work.

2172
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I really I wonder if that hurts him in some

2173
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: level where you know, if someone hit someone else with

2174
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: a body shot and there's a visible reaction, that will

2175
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: work really great for you. But Kevin kelp excuse me,

2176
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: Kelvin just kind of no sold all the body shots.

2177
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: And I don't want to sit here and say that

2178
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 1: judges don't count body shots, but it depending on your

2179
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: angle and in the heat of the moment, if they

2180
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 1: don't have a visible reaction versus popping someone's head back,

2181
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder if that's hurting him a little bit.

2182
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: You've taken judging courses, do you feel like, again, not

2183
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: a bias against body shots, but a natural inability to

2184
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: properly inventory the effect they are having in real time?

2185
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

2186
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 3: And I think that the first round of Israel and

2187
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 3: Perea is a good example because I thought that Pereo

2188
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 3: won that round from just landing consistent calf cake after

2189
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 3: calf cake after calfkick. And the thing is, judges don't

2190
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 3: often gauge it based on strike position. They gauge it

2191
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 3: based on visible damage. And I think that that's a

2192
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 3: bit of an issue for sure, and something I would

2193
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 3: like to see cleaned up. But I do think that

2194
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 3: Chris Curtis was attacking the body of Kelvin by design,

2195
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 3: specifically for that opponent. I think that Kelvin has kind

2196
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 3: of a bigger lower body, and you know he's not

2197
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 3: in the best shape for a guy that's in the

2198
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 3: middle ofweight division. I think that when you have fighters

2199
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 3: that are built that way, the body shots tend to

2200
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 3: impact them more down the stretch, and you could see

2201
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 3: that Kelvin was sort of slowing down down the stretch.

2202
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 3: So I don't necessarily know if that's something that he

2203
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and watch his previous fights

2204
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 3: and see his target I guess percentages for those fights

2205
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 3: to really determine that, But I thought that that might

2206
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 3: have been by design for Kelvin to kind of open

2207
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 3: up the head late late in the fight when he

2208
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 3: had gassed.

2209
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: Out all right from at m porter four forty. Was

2210
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: it just me? Or were there more ads than ever

2211
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: in the octagon this weekend? Who's d do you have

2212
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: to ask Aaron Bronstetter to get an MK ad in

2213
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,440
Speaker 1: the cage? What do you make of all the advertising

2214
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 1: that just plastering it everywhere these days? Look at that man?

2215
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they did the one where you could put

2216
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 3: your name in the octagon, So I think it's a

2217
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 3: thousand dollars if you want to just get morning combat.

2218
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 2: And then there's there's your answer to the question.

2219
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 3: Just if you go to the UFC website, you can

2220
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: buy a position on the mat now, So it's a

2221
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to advertise Morning Combat. If any of the

2222
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 3: rabid fans of the show want to do that, I

2223
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 3: think that would be a really cool gift for you guys.

2224
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 3: If one of the fans ponied up a thousand dollars,

2225
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 3: then if somebody's really wealthy, you can put my name

2226
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 3: on there too, although that I think that would be

2227
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 3: kind of a weak move, to be honest, to see

2228
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 3: a journalist name in the cage. But if it's not

2229
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 3: me paying for it, I guess there's nothing I can

2230
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: do about it but throw.

2231
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Up that picture one more time for the folks in

2232
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the back there, all right, So I just want to

2233
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 1: point out something. You got the can in the middle.

2234
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: That's fine. At each of the eight sides, there's an

2235
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: ad on either side of the black line, right, So

2236
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: there's that. So it's inside the black line at all

2237
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: eight stops, outside the black line at all eight stops.

2238
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: And then at each sort of frame I should say,

2239
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: each position, like where is he a standing? There's some

2240
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: kind of ad. And then in certain corners they have

2241
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: ads as well, plus on the corner itself and on

2242
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: the top padding at the very top end of the octagon,

2243
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: then outside of it for DraftKings as well. You know, listen,

2244
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at the UFC for making money. And

2245
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: I went back and I watched some of the initial

2246
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: rebock announcements, you know, why they were doing this and whatnot,

2247
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: And obviously a lot of stuff just doesn't really apply anymore.

2248
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: But they weren't like super big on making the it

2249
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: looks cleaner comment. I think that's more something that kind

2250
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 1: of happened in the community more generally, like, hey, it

2251
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 1: looks cleaner that these fighters are wearing kits, as opposed

2252
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 1: to that. But I just gotta say, do they just

2253
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: littered the octagon with ads? They got the condom thing

2254
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:35,799
Speaker 1: for getting your hand wrapped. They're just monetizing every fucking

2255
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 1: space of this in a way that is I guess

2256
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: we're used to it, but it does destroy the argument

2257
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: to the extent anyone has made it that this really

2258
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: cleans up the looks of the fighters. It's like it might,

2259
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:48,879
Speaker 1: but they just dirtied everything else.

2260
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: And there's inventory to sell. They're going to sell it.

2261
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 3: How many press releases have you got from the UFC.

2262
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 3: It's like, we're announcing that this is the official cucumber

2263
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 3: flavored vodka of the UFC. Like they just have always

2264
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 3: come up with every every different like sub genre of

2265
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 3: every different thing in order to get value out of

2266
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 3: their Yeah, Like, how many of those have you seen?

2267
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, this is the official like coconut spiced

2268
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 3: drum of via UFC. Like they had every different type

2269
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 3: of liquor on the planet that they can get sponsorship

2270
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 3: money from. The Hey, I mean we saw the valuation

2271
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: twelve point three billion dollars or whatever it was compared

2272
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 3: to the WWE. Maybe the w W sho start putting

2273
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 3: ads in their ring. I don't watch, and maybe they

2274
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 3: already have that, but maybe you should just use question

2275
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 3: WWWE ring is a place to put inventory.

2276
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what they do. And the last

2277
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: thing I'd say on this too is also that I

2278
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: live through and work through the days when the UFC

2279
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: really struggled getting advertising money, you know, like we joke

2280
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 1: about it and I remember corn nuts to the core, Dude,

2281
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: I remember when they were doing Get Mickey's Mickey's Malt liquor.

2282
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Get stung. That was the fucking thing in the middle

2283
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: of the octagon. Like they've gone from Mickey's Malt liquor

2284
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: to you know, some bigger brands. They still you know,

2285
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 1: one thing they have it really overcome. They don't have

2286
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: like a high end telecom sponsor, and they don't have

2287
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: a high end like not high end, but they don't

2288
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: have a mob.

2289
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 2: Is Boostmobile not high end. I don't know that your

2290
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 2: your telecon.

2291
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I say telecom, I mean like Verizon or

2292
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 1: a mobile yeah yeah, or T Mobile even But but

2293
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: they also this is another thing they've struggled with. They

2294
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: briefly had a deal with Dodge and I know they

2295
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,919
Speaker 1: obviously had some deal with the Ultimate Fighter with Harley Davidson.

2296
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,719
Speaker 1: But I know two of the things that have eluded

2297
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,480
Speaker 1: them are telecom and like a real good car manufacturer

2298
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: as their as their advertiser. Other than that, though they've

2299
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: made significant headway.

2300
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 3: Well, they need to do subgenres of cars. It's like

2301
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 3: the official hybrid crossover of the UFC, official hatchback of

2302
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 3: the UFC. Just get every different type of car sponsor or.

2303
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,480
Speaker 1: VC's case, the official Orange Subaru.

2304
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely in case, you need to go off

2305
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: roading like VC does every weekend last, but not.

2306
01:39:55,479 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Least at underscore. I think it's Kate LW or Ka LW.

2307
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: What should be next for Fundora? Should he move up

2308
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: as I mentioned here? Uh, six foot six, one hundred

2309
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: and fifty four pounds. He has an eighty inch fucking reach.

2310
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Understand that'd be an eighty and that's only four inches

2311
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: less than John Jones. And he basically fights at the

2312
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: MMA equivalent of lightweight, like just a completely absurd total

2313
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: body frame. He should go up to one sixty right, right, Aaron.

2314
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: But here's the other part too. You can go up

2315
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 1: to one sixty, that's fine, But dude, he's got to

2316
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: learn to fight tall, right, He's got to be having

2317
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: a better jab when guys can just punch in like

2318
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: that like Brian Mendoza did. Like dude, the punching only

2319
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: gets heavier at one sixty or one sixty eight. So

2320
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm okay with him moving up, but it needs to

2321
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: be moving up in conjunction with I think some other adjustments.

2322
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 3: Right, it was next for him as a damn meal

2323
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,719
Speaker 3: it gets he eats some food one hundred, remember Kendall

2324
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 3: Groves nickname was Goliath was like six six, but he

2325
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 3: was one eighty five, Like that was gliss and Mma.

2326
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 3: This guy's fifty five with an eighty inch reached. Dude,

2327
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 3: like go go to like shake shack or something that's like,

2328
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 3: that's the next.

2329
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: Move, Kendall Grove. Hold on, he is, You're right, he's

2330
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: sixty six. So I want to see his reach if

2331
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 1: we can, let me pull up his typology typology profile,

2332
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: his reach seventy nine. So like sabashef Dora has a

2333
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: taller or longer reach than fucking Kendall Grove.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who is Goliath Kendall Goliath Grove?

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Speaker 1: That is that is absolutely fucking insane. So yeah, he

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Speaker 1: should move up, he should go to one sixty but eight,

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Speaker 1: Yeah he.

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Speaker 2: Was that hot.

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Speaker 1: You go to seventy five, you go to one seventy five,

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Speaker 1: you're fighting some fucking punishing punchers. But your point, your

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Speaker 1: point stands just the same. Aaron. That is it for

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Speaker 1: us today. Anything you'd like to plug or let the

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Speaker 1: folks know about you're doing or where they can find you,

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Speaker 1: and all the other good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I make it easy on everybody.

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Speaker 3: Www Dot Aaron dut Report has all of my links,

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Speaker 3: So just go there and instead of me having to

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Speaker 3: plug all kinds of stuff, I bought a domain name

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Speaker 3: to help make your lives easier.

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Speaker 1: Hey, did I know Twitter changed a bunch of stuff

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01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: since Musk took over. Did they take away something from you?

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01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought they did, right, No, everything's everything's good here

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01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: on mind have all the same tools.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got everything everything going.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's uh, it's good. You know you can put those

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Speaker 3: long form videos out. I actually I got the Twitter

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Speaker 3: Blue subscription so I can edit stuff because I consistently

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Speaker 3: make mistakes. So I know, to me it was worth

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Speaker 3: me paying whatever it is ten bucks a month so

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Speaker 3: that I don't have the immediate remorse of having to

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Speaker 3: delete and a copy and paste and do all that.

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Speaker 2: The edit function for me alone is worth the money.

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01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 3: So if you want to, if you want to put

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Speaker 3: that meme on my account, this MF or paid for

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Speaker 3: Twitter Blue. I mean, by all means, knock yourself out,

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Speaker 3: but for me it actually has real value as opposed

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Speaker 3: to buying myself a blue check mark.

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Speaker 1: Listen, my role on this is you know, I think

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Speaker 1: musks takeover of Twitter has been disaster. Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not been great. It's not been great, but I

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Speaker 1: think there is value the Twitter Blue and not so

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01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: much the verification part. I don't really care about that.

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Speaker 1: But I can post videos up to ten minutes long,

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Speaker 1: whereas otherwise it'd be two twenty. Like I want the

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Speaker 1: nimbleness to be able to do that. The edit function

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Speaker 1: on top of it, I still produce errors, but it

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Speaker 1: does save even more so it's worth it. It's it's

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Speaker 1: value to me. I like it. So I kept it.

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Speaker 3: Like there was a guy who was verified who called

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01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 3: me a beta mail over the weekend that clearly bought

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Speaker 3: Twitter Blue, and to me that just I won't even

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Speaker 3: respond to that because, like, dude, like, if there's one

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Speaker 3: thing that shows the insecurity there, like first off, just

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01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 3: using that term in general, but then to have the

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Speaker 3: blue check mark with like thirty followers, it's like, dude, Like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if there's anybody that's less secure on the

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Speaker 3: planet than this individual, I'm yet to find them.

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Speaker 1: Dude. They all they all do the same thing, not

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Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of Twitter Blue guys,

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Speaker 1: the new ones. You can always tell because again they'll

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Speaker 1: have like it'll be like, what's their bio it's like

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Speaker 1: pats fan for Life, like all right, here we go,

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Speaker 1: and then you look at their feed and then like

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Speaker 1: half of it is like pro crypto shit, you know.

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Speaker 2: Crypto hippos by one today, you know.

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Speaker 1: So you know for that, I was like, I don't

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01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: know about all that shit, but I need longer videos,

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Speaker 1: So fuck it, I'm gonna pay it.

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Speaker 3: Everybody who's stuck with Twitter and continues to follow me

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01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 3: and it has a positive influence on the space, please

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01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 3: stick around.

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01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 2: Please we need you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing, what's the next show you're going to?

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Speaker 3: The next show I'm going to might surprise you. It's

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Speaker 3: a Risin show in Japan that I'm going to in

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01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. So I'm gonna be in Tokyo

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Speaker 3: on vacation and I happened to just I was like,

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Risen's doing a show while I'm going,

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Speaker 3: and they happened to be doing a show.

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Speaker 2: So that's the next show I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Is I forget what the full name of the show is,

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Speaker 3: but it's a rising show on I think it's April the.

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Speaker 2: Twenty ninth, So that's where I'm gonna be. That's the

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Speaker 2: next MMA show.

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Speaker 3: That I'm going to as a like basically just to

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Speaker 3: go down and cover it and see what it's like

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Speaker 3: to cover a Japanese MMA event.

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01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 2: Because the period where I was like getting into.

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Speaker 3: MMA most was when Dream was like really killing it

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01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 3: and like we're doing awesome events and I would like

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01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,479
Speaker 3: PVR all the Dream events and watch those and stay

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01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,599
Speaker 3: up late and watch. This is before I had kids

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Speaker 3: and had the ability to like stay up at like

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Speaker 3: three am and watch Dream events, and I have that

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Speaker 3: has like a real like spot in my heart because

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Speaker 3: when I first started watching Piden's kind of winding down,

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Speaker 3: So like the pageantry of Japanese MMA is something I've

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Speaker 3: always wanted to just enjoy in person.

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Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm jealous, Like, of all the years I've been around,

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Speaker 1: I've never even well, I've been to Japan as a

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Speaker 1: as a baby, but not really as a kid, but

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01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: not really as a as an adult, certainly not essince

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01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,799
Speaker 1: I became involved in MMA. So take a lot of pictures,

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Speaker 1: send me some. I'm very jealous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah's and the next one after that, I'm going to

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01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 3: a unified and in a Calgary, So I'm looking forward

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Speaker 3: to that. That show, so I'll be doing commentary for them,

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Speaker 3: so shout out to Unified.

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Speaker 1: They call him mister Canada. Around these parts, we call

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Speaker 1: him Aaron Bronzetter. Give him a follow if you are

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01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: so inclined, strongly recommend it. Thank you so much, my

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01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 1: friend for taking part here. You can see his social

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01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,719
Speaker 1: there below. Give us a follow, Give him a follow,

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01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: and follow Morning Combat everywhere you get your social media fun. Aaron,

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01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much, great work as always, both over

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01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: the weekend and on today's show. We'll see you guys

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01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: next time. I want to thank Showtime. I want to

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01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 1: thank CBS Sports, Mikey, the whole crew. We got Luke

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Speaker 1: Nocito there, we got Gaff, we got the whole gang.

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01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone as well beyond who watched. We're back

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday and until next time, Hey, all of your

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Speaker 1: games be loyal.

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Speaker 6: Two undefeated stars, two journeys.

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Speaker 1: When you make a fight to make history there, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't get any better.

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Speaker 6: Than Jervonte Davis versus Ryan Garcia. Saturday April twenty second,

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Speaker 1: I think you just have us to be involved in

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Speaker 1: the largest cash flopperings in the world. This is something

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Speaker 2: Heists, armed gang, huge amounts of money.

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Speaker 4: I drove away had worked faultlessly.

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