1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Way, what's up? Its way up with Angela. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Yee, y'all know, to this day, I'd be looking at 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: Media take Out every single day, all right, And I've 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: said it on this show several times. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: And we have the founder. 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Of Media take Out of Fred Muwangahanga Muwanga Guhanga, right, 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Muwanga Okay, Muwanga Guhanga got it all right? 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Fred m from here on out. Freda is here with 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: me today. 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: We met each other so long ago when Media Takeout 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: was in its infancy stages. 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was just thinking about it. I mean, 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: you know, it's been like I started seventeen years ago, 14 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 3: but you've been in the radio now for twenty years. 15 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: It'll be twenty years this year. You started in two 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: thousand and six. I started in two thousand and four. 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it's just like it's it's great to 18 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: see just kind of like people that something someone like 19 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: you that has had so much talent. We were also 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: young in this industry. And now kind of twenty years later, 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: after all this time and all this effort, we're still 22 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: kind of here kicking and really hitting a stride, you know. 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: And Media Takeout still does incredibly well. 24 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: I'm like people don't understand because it has a bad 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: rapper some reason when I'm up here and I'm like 26 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: and they'd be like, who's still on media tech? And 27 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm like a lot of people every single day. So 28 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: talk about your longevity in the game and for people 29 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: who might think like, oh, it's not doing what it 30 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: used to do, but it's been consistent. 31 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we have about thirty million people a month, 32 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: and you know, when you think about it, over the 33 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: course of a year, just about every single black person 34 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: in America is on media takeout, right, So it's you know, 35 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: we've been around and how we've been able to do 36 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: this has just been like consistent in what we do. 37 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: We're breaking news stories, we're dipping in and telling you 38 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 3: the tea the stuff that a lot of people aren't 39 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: going to say, and doing it kind of in a 40 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: fair way. We're not you know, fans of one artist 41 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: over another. 42 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: At all, so we'll just kind of like anyone can 43 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: get it. 44 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we just kind of put it out there, 45 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: but do it in a fun, lighthearted way, right, Like 46 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: we're not trying to make anybody getting any kind of 47 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 3: serious trouble, but we're going to tell you the tea 48 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: and just kind of you know, these are people that 49 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: we know, we love, and we want to know their business. 50 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: You know. 51 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that because the reason why 52 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: I tell people, but also for media take ut I 53 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: go there because a lot of times media take up 54 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: will print a story that maybe other people wouldn't and 55 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: do it early and then I'll see it out here first, 56 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: and then I'll see it like maybe other places later. 57 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: But sometimes people can be like overly cautious about Yeah. 58 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: So a lot of times, you know, and what I 59 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: think a lot of the readers don't realize is that 60 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: the stories, there's a lot of back behind the scenes 61 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: in the stories that we might maybe we don't report. 62 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 3: And you're in the industry, so you know a lot 63 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: of behind the scenes stories, you know, like the behind 64 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: scenes about what people are really like and the people 65 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: out there in the in the world see them as 66 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: you know, the artists, and we might know a little 67 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: bit more about them. Sure, So like with me to 68 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: take out, we're not afraid to say that, right, Like 69 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: we're not afraid to like burn a bridge or burn 70 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 3: a relationship. You know, we just kind of put it 71 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: out there, Like I said, We're not trying to make 72 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: anyone look particularly bad and you know, make people dislike them, 73 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: because we actually do love all the people that we're 74 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: talking about. But at the same time, you know, we 75 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: want to know. We want to know as much of 76 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: it possibly can, all the nooks and crannies in the 77 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 3: dirt in these people's lives. 78 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: And I think people you need to also understand your 79 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: background because you went to law school and business school 80 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: right got your MBA, and you were practicing law as well, 81 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: and so when you started this, it's not like it 82 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: was somebody just. 83 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: In their mom's basement, you know, like I want to 84 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: start a site. 85 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: You had a lot of experience before that, and you've 86 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: also had experience with things not working and even at 87 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: a young age, raising money, you know, which is something 88 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: that everybody's having conversations about today. But that's something you 89 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: did before you even started media takeout. 90 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I was just a straight business guy. 91 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: I was you know, I was corporate. I was one 92 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: of those guys that you see in the sweater vests, 93 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: and I was doing that for a bunch of a 94 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: bunch of years and I just I never, I never 95 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: really felt that that was my calling. I always want 96 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: to do something a little bit more fun, but in 97 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: the sense I really am a business guy. I'm a 98 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: corporate guy. 99 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah you have to be. I think that helps. 100 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, so I didn't. I didn't go 101 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: into this trying to become like a lot of times 102 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: people have like an ulterior motive, like they might say, well, 103 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: I'm starting a blog, but then I'm really trying to 104 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: be a talk show host, or I'm starting a blog, 105 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: I really want to be a film producer. I was 106 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: really just starting a blog to start a really successful business. 107 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: And that's that's the way that I look at it 108 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: right now. I'm not looking to transition to anything else 109 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: other than business. And you know that. I think that's 110 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: part of the secret sauce that I had. 111 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: And you also don't put yourself out there like that 112 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: to your point, right, because it's not like we're like 113 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: Fred says, or we don't even see you like too 114 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: much doing interviews, and I don't see you hanging out 115 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 2: at parties. I don't see you doing those things unless 116 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, I don't know, but. 117 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: I'm not because it's not really my thing, right, Like, 118 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: I'm not really trying to make friends. 119 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: With people because that makes it harder to do your child. 120 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: It does. And you know, I had like a couple 121 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: of friends in the industry, and it just never works 122 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: because it's like then they're going to tell you, oh, no, 123 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: don't don't say this, or even when you do say 124 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: something positive, oh you didn't say it positive enough. Or 125 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: if the comments are beat, oh you said it in 126 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: a certain way to make the comments. So it just 127 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: never really worked. And so what ended up happening is 128 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: the person that with my friend, I just never I 129 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: would be like, just we're just not going to cover 130 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: this person in any way good or bad. We're just 131 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: not going to cover the person. And it's just not 132 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, the media 133 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: takeout is not about me. It's not about you know, 134 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: a lot of times people are starting businesses and they're like, oh, 135 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: what I need to do, and you know what, it 136 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: feels good for me. Media takeout is not about me 137 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: at all, Right, It really is about the reader, whatever 138 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: it is that the reader wants. I am kind of 139 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: a servant to the reader, right Like the media takeout 140 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: is not my servant. I am its servant, and so 141 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: I have to recognize that that's the way it is, right, 142 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: So when the way that I live my life, I 143 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: have to live my life. You know, maybe I might 144 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: want to go to a party, but I know that 145 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to meet people, I'm gonna be friendly with them. 146 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: And then you know, is this Freda, what do you do? Fred? 147 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: Yeah? 148 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: No, I was like, oh damn. You never know how 149 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: people feel. 150 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 2: Because also, let's be clear, people have to understand what 151 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: these websites. It's not like Fred is at home writing 152 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: all the stories and like, that's not what happens. 153 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: You have a staff, right, it does that. So sometimes people. 154 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: Would be mad at you, but you're like, I didn't 155 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: even know that story was up there. 156 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean. The good thing is people, especially when 157 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: you've been around a lot of time, your relationships go 158 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: up and down and up and down. So people have 159 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: mad at you one day and then they're happy with 160 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: you the next day. Right, they have an album coming out, 161 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: so then they're friends with you. Right, So it all 162 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 3: kind of goes up and down, and so you know, 163 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: a lot of times people like that. People are like, oh, 164 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: celebrities must not like you, and I'm like, no, they 165 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: actually like me a lot, right, And almost too much. 166 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: You go to these parties and they're like, oh, hey, 167 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: you wanted me to take out. Hey, I got this 168 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: new project, I got this new this, and I got 169 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: this new that. So it's not so then so much 170 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: that I'm going there because I'm hiding. I just don't 171 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: want to kind of get that attention because then it 172 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: just adds to the same and it makes me not 173 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: able to do my job. Whether or not it's fun 174 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: because it's great to know celebrities, great to go sitting 175 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: in the VIP I see you there and every now 176 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: and then, you know, but at the same time, it 177 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: just interrupts me from being able to do my job. 178 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: And so, like I said, what comes first is the reader. 179 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: It's the media takeout reader. And so if that means 180 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: me not going to parties, that's what it means. 181 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: You know. Do you think that since you say it's 182 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: really a service to the reader. People like messy no 183 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: matter what anybody says, Like even for me, like when 184 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: I post on Instagram, I post tell us a secret. 185 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: People will go crazy over those stories, but they don't 186 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: care about like the other stories. It'll be about like 187 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: a wealth Wednesday. You know, things like that that are 188 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: really positive. And then but then they'll also be like, 189 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: you only post things like this, and I'm like, no, 190 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: we post a lot. 191 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: That's just what you're paying attention to. 192 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: And so readers, as much as we want people to 193 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: be like, let's do all great positive things, a lot 194 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: of times that's not what's going to get the meter going. 195 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean think about it, right, Like it's one thing. 196 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: A lot of times people say, oh, it's especially for 197 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: black people or black and latinos to be like, oh, 198 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: you we're particularly interested in like the messy stuff, But no, 199 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: it's just a human thing. White people interested in messy stuff. 200 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: Men are interested in messy stuff. Women interested in messy stuff. Right, 201 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: It's just it's the most interesting thing that's out there. 202 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: It's like if you were to make a bunch of movies, right, 203 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: Like the superhero movies get the most people watching them. Right, 204 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: They're not necessarily the best actors in it, they're not 205 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: necessarily the best plots, right, but they just have all 206 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: of the flash and all the pizazz. And that's what 207 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: kind of like a lot of the gossip stuff is. 208 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: So we're producing a bunch of content, producing good content. 209 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: We're you know, positive content, uplifting content and messy content, 210 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: and it just so happens that the reader chooses the 211 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: messy content. Don't blame me for choosing the messi content. 212 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: It's y'all doing it. 213 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: I saw the headline today was because, like I said, 214 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: I look every day Kamala Harris, they have these t 215 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: shirts calling her a hoe. 216 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, that is out of control. I mean, 217 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: you know, this is the Vice president of the United States. 218 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: She has a long career in politics. I don't know 219 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: what they're talking about. Stuff that she did twenty years 220 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: ago with whatever, that has nothing to do with what 221 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: she's been doing in the last twenty years. And look, 222 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: none of y'all want to go back twenty years and 223 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: talk about like what you were doing. 224 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the fact that Donald Trump, right, okay, 225 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: And the fact that you could wear a shirt supporting 226 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and calling Kamala Harrison hole knowing the things 227 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump has been found guilty of. It's crazy 228 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: to me, Yeah, I think. And I see women wearing that. 229 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: That was really like, wow, y'all, are you know to 230 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: see white women wearing those shirts? And I don't know 231 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: who else, but I did see that particular picture on the. 232 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Site and that was like, where is this world going 233 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: right now? You know? 234 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we're living in kind of like 235 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 3: this two different worlds where people just feel so comfortable 236 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: saying disrespectful things, especially to black people and especially the 237 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: black women, Like you saw them saying a lot of 238 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: stuff about you know, Joe Biden. But this is now 239 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: like go to the next level, and you can only 240 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: imagine if she wins, what you know, we're going to 241 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: have to deal with. 242 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: Let's think about what Michelle Obama had to go through 243 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: as President Barack Obama's wife, and people were saying awful, 244 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: nasty things about her and how she I mean, it's 245 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: going to be like, you know, one hundredfold. Now, let 246 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: me ask you this, because you know, with elections coming up, 247 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: and there's always elections, how responsible do you feel like 248 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: you have to be when it comes to those types 249 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: of stories because there is so much information out there, 250 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: a lot of times that information is not real. 251 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: But when it comes to. 252 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: Covering politics, obviously there's some sensationalism and there's like rumor 253 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: stories and things like that that's more gossip oriented. But 254 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: as far as making sure that people are informed, do 255 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: you feel a responsibility to do that? 256 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean I think that we always want to 257 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 3: put out the message. It's always one. I mean, our forefathers, 258 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: our ancestors put their lives on the line for us 259 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: to vote. We have to honor them and go out 260 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: and vote. And I think for black people that's especially true. 261 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: And so we're always pushing, pushing that out there, and 262 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, the messaging you want to put out. Obviously 263 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: the vice president has has the messaging out there, and 264 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: we were obviously covering that. But I think today that 265 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 3: story that you talked about today, that's a way to 266 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: kind of introduce politics and what's going on in politics, 267 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: why it's important to vote for Kamala or vote at all. 268 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to vote for control, I guess. 269 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you to vote for you 270 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: not to vote for us. 271 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: Right, It's a way of introducing politics in a way 272 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: that kind of resonates. It's you know, it's slightly sensational, 273 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: but it's what's in fact happening out there. 274 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: Right, there's actual pictures that people wearing these shirts. 275 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: Right, this is what's this is what you're voting against. 276 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: This is why it's important to vote because these are 277 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: the people that you're you're these are the this is, 278 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: these are the ideas that you are voting against when 279 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: you're going and voting for Kamma. And I think that's 280 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: the way that we're looking to do this, right, Like 281 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: you want to introduce it in a natural way, in 282 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: a way that's organic to the kind of content that 283 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: you create, and it still kind of puts out the 284 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: messaging that that that the importance of kind of behavior 285 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: of engaging in politics. 286 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: Now, I want to ask you, with any website, any 287 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: entertainment site, there's going to be times when lawsuits happened. 288 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has duck that smoke. Oh no, okay, 289 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: So how do you prepare for that? Knowing that every 290 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: now and then it's going to happen? What do you 291 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: do for anybody listening to to get some information on 292 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: if you're maybe starting something like this, how do you 293 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: make make sure that you're ready for that? 294 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: I think the first thing you have to do is 295 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: you have to focus on the truth. Right, So, I 296 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: think that there's there's a good amount of overlap between 297 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: being loyal to your audience and and protecting yourself from lawsuits, 298 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: and that's just kind of like reporting the truth and 299 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: don't try and kind of take things too far. So 300 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 3: I think a lot of times when we're reporting on celebrities, 301 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: we hold back a little bit, right, And so maybe 302 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: you might know you know enough to put them in prison, 303 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: but you might allude to it. You're not going to 304 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: put everything out there because when you a lot of 305 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: times if you back someone into a corner, that's when 306 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: they're going to come after you. So if you're going 307 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: to say, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna lay out 308 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: the exact reason that the FBI can now look at 309 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: this and put you in prison, well, you know that 310 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: person has no choice now but to bring a lawsuit. 311 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: But if you kind of take a step back and 312 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, you don't completely go in and take someone down, 313 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 3: that's there. And why I say that that that ties 314 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: into the audience is you know a lot of people 315 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: think that the audience really likes just you. They want 316 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: to know everything, They want to know all the dirt 317 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: and everything. The audience really doesn't remember, but they actually 318 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: love these people, right Like they actually like these people, 319 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 3: and so they don't want to see them go to jail. 320 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: They don't want to see them, you know, destroy They 321 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: don't want to see their career ended. They might just 322 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: want to, you know, wallow in the messiness for yeah, yeah, 323 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: it's a little girl you heard. Oh I know that. 324 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: But they don't want to see them really destroyed. And 325 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: so I think a lot of times you have people 326 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 3: and a lot of times people you see it on 327 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: on social media, they really kind of get personally involved 328 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: in it and they really try and take them down. 329 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: They start launching personal attacks. Oh my gosh, there's nothing 330 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: personal about this, right, Like you're literally reporting news like 331 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: launching personal attacks with people. I think when you start 332 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: going down that road, you're asking yourself for trouble because 333 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: you give them no choice. 334 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, because I say that Kim Kardashian situation, you 335 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: guys had to retract that and apologize. Yeah, I mean 336 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: we was the legal aspect of that, Like why did 337 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: you in that case? Because she's so she was planning 338 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: to do and I know she had her money's long 339 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: so she did too, right, Okay, she did sue. 340 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think at that time we were I 341 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: think we were a little over zealous in a lot 342 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: of our reporting on there, and I think, you know, 343 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: there was when when she brought the lawsuit. You know, 344 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: obviously we got a lawyer's involved, and they were like, oh, 345 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: you know, maybe we could fight this or whatever. But 346 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: I looked at it, and you know, you have to, 347 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: as a human being, just look at it and you say, Okay, well, 348 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: what did we say and were we wrong in what 349 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: we were saying? And after I looked at it, I 350 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, we were wrong on this. 351 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: We shouldn't. We took it a little bit too far. 352 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: We were making implications that were there that that clearly 353 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: weren't weren't in fact true. At the time, we didn't 354 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: know it was true, but it didn't matter. And I 355 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: just said, you know what, this is a woman. She'd 356 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: been gone through a robbery, she was traumatized. I was like, 357 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: you know what, whether or not we could win this lawsuit, 358 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: this is not the right thing to do, right And 359 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: so I just said, you know what, we're just gonna 360 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: fall on our sword on this. We're gonna apologize, We're 361 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: going to say that what we did was wrong, and 362 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: then we're just gonna kind of work it out. And 363 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: that's exactly what we did. That was the right thing 364 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: to do. And so like I think a lot of 365 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: times people are just so caught up in oh the 366 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: legal thing and I'm going to legally maneuver this way 367 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: or that way. You can't do that. If you do that, 368 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: you're in the paying your LAWI is a lot of money. 369 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: Right, Let's just get it over with. Yeah, you And 370 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: it's okay to be wrong, right, That's the whole thing. 371 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: There's no way in this business is not gonna be 372 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: times that you were wrong. 373 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: Right, And when you are wrong, you have to just 374 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: kind of open up to it, own it, and you 375 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: have to just apologize to the person and hope, hope 376 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: that they accept it all right. 377 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: And you know, other things that I wanted to talk 378 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: to you about was just your business savvy as far 379 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: as launching this right, you know, I think it is 380 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: important for there's a lot of people that are like, now, okay, 381 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: I want to start my own site. People have that 382 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: on their Facebook page and things like that. One aspect 383 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: that has been tough for people lately is pictures. 384 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Right. You can't just use pictures. I know it, iHeart. 385 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: They always tell us, listen, we only have a certain 386 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: amount of pictures. We can use. 387 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: You have to licenses, you have to license that. But 388 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: it didn't used to be like that when you first started. 389 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Internet used to be the wild, wild weide. 390 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: So how did you manage to navigate through that? 391 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: Because you either have to take those down or how 392 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: does that work? 393 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: So I can tell you that we pay. We probably 394 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: pay half a million dollars in pictures a year, so 395 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: that's yeah. 396 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: We might have to start a picture. 397 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: So we paid. We had thousands of dollars for these pictures, 398 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: and we happen to you know, we've been around for 399 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: a while, so we can. You know, we can. We 400 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: have the means to do it. But it's just it's 401 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: part of the industry. Like I think, when we came 402 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: into blogging kind of in the beginning, it was a 403 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: real it was a young industry, and so there weren't 404 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: really we weren't really following the rules. We were just 405 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: kind of bending every rule that we. 406 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Could to kind and sometimes rules got made a little later. 407 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so you know, over time, as 408 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: you start to mature as a business, as an industry, 409 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: that's when the rules start coming in. And if you're 410 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: not following the rules, you know, you might get away 411 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: with it for you know, a couple of years. Eventually 412 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 3: it starts coming and then you start building and you know, 413 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: at some point you get to the mature company and 414 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: you have it. So but what I'd say to anyone 415 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: out there is you just got to follow the rules. 416 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: There are companies out there. Obviously we're paying a ton 417 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 3: of money for photos, for premium photos, but there are 418 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: a lot of companies out there that will license the 419 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: photos for less. You know, if you if you can't 420 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: do that, maybe you can show up to events and 421 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: the picture I have a picture, you know, maybe you 422 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: can you know, ask if you see a picture on 423 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: social media, you can ask them to buy the photo. 424 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: So there are ways to do it, and just kind 425 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: of following the rules and following the law. That's that's 426 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: the kind of the best way to do it. Because 427 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: if you don't, you know, they will get you. 428 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: Yes they will. 429 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: People have lost their whole entire site, yeah, because of that. 430 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: And then you have a different ad model too, as 431 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: far as ads to support the site. So I want 432 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: you to talk about that a little bit because some 433 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: people this is something that people also need to understand 434 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: as far as even with podcasts, people are like I 435 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: need to get ads, I need to get this, or 436 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: if they have their own thing going on, they want 437 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: to get advertising. So tell me about how you've gone 438 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: about with your advertising. 439 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: So advertising on the web goes one way, and then 440 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: on social media, I think goes a little bit differently. Yeah, similarly, 441 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: so on the web, if you have a website, you 442 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 3: can do advertising either its going directly to brand. So 443 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: I can call up, you know, Angela and say, hey, Angela, 444 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: put out an AD on my site, and you pay 445 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: me and then you put it on the site. And 446 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: that's typically how most ads are done on social media. 447 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: And there companies out there that will reach out, especially 448 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: if you have following or you have whatever, and they'll 449 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: they'll say, hey, we want to put an AD on 450 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: your site, and you negotiate a one off kind of 451 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 3: price and you kind of go from there. And I 452 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: think that's that's a good way to start for I 453 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: think a lot of people. Once you start getting more 454 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: and more or bigger and bigger, then it just gets 455 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 3: harder to kind of manage a lot of that. And 456 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: they have systems, which is kind of like the stock 457 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: when you think of the stock market, it works kind 458 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: of like that you take all of the inventory. So 459 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: you basically take your site and you put it up 460 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: on the stock market and all the different companies could 461 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 3: then bid real time and buy ads on your site. 462 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: And so when you do it that way, it just 463 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: makes it a lot easier. You can have way more 464 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: ads on your site. You don't have to have kind 465 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 3: of the overhead of a large ad team. But I 466 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: think most people want to do both of those. 467 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: You want to have kind of like you can do both. 468 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to do both because the ads, when 469 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: you're selling directly to people, you make a lot more 470 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 3: money on the ad sales. But then you can't sell 471 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: all of your inventory. So maybe you can sell one day, 472 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: but then the next day you don't have any ads 473 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: on your site and you're like, okay, well, you know, 474 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: I'd like to have an AD on that site. And 475 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 3: for those days that you can't sell directly, that's when 476 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: you go to the other model of people just putting 477 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: your inventory out there and allowing you know, buyers to 478 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: buy kind of on the spot. 479 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: Do people ever try to maybe pay you to post 480 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: the story they have, You know a. 481 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: Lot of times people say, oh, I'll pay you to 482 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: post a story, right, And what I always do, and 483 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: they are always shocked. I'm like, listen, you tell me 484 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 3: a story that's real, I'll do you a favor. I'll 485 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: post it for free. You don't have to pay me 486 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: a penny, and I'll post a story just it just 487 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: it just has to be true. So and I think 488 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: a lot of times people like really, yeah, yeah, So 489 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: a lot of times people like, oh, blogs will pay 490 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 3: you to do this and that. And you know, like 491 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 3: I said, at the end of the day, it really 492 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: isn't about me. If it was about me, i'd be like, okay, 493 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: give me, give me that, I'll take that. I'll take that. 494 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Terrible stories, right, So it's it's it's. 495 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: Really about the audience, right, Like I truly am a 496 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: servant of the audience. And the audience wants to know 497 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: the truth. They don't care about any bag I'm getting 498 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: on the side. They don't that they're not that's not 499 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: helping them, right. They want to know what's what. And 500 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: so I have to always come back to thinking like that, 501 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: you know, and and the more that you do that, 502 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's a weird way of thinking 503 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: about a business because you know, especially if you go 504 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: on social media, you hear people talking about business. They 505 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: always about me and I and whatever, and it really 506 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: has nothing to do with you. You're like, in terms 507 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: of the business, the business is more important than you. 508 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: The business is what you're working for. You know, I'm not. 509 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not an entrepreneur free on 510 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: my own. I have a job. I work for this business. 511 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: What's been the biggest story so far this year? I 512 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: would have to assume it's Diddy, but yeah, traffic wise, yes, okay, 513 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: it's Diddy. 514 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean the thing about Diddy and you know, it's 515 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: weird because everybody's talking about Diddy parties and they're like, 516 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 3: oh my god, have you gone a Didy party? Like 517 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: two or three years ago, Like going to Diddy party 518 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: was like the heighlight of your life. 519 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Everybody like did you get yeah? 520 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 3: Right, because you watch if you went to a party 521 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 3: and Diddy was there, You're like, I'm at the right party. 522 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: That was like for the last twenty years, and now 523 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: all of a sudden they're like, ooh, what what was 524 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: going on? Didty parties? So I think it's just it's 525 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 3: sad one that, you know, the things that he's alleged 526 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 3: have done. I mean, it's horrible, but I think it's 527 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: also sad because. 528 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 2: The things that we've also seen, right, yeah, that's not 529 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: even allegations, right yeah, right. 530 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: There's clearly a lot of horrible things that this man 531 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: has done, and I think that's that's very sad. I 532 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: think the other thing that's said is I remember, like 533 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: Diddy was like my like model of like what I 534 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: wanted to kind of grow into. Like when I was 535 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 3: even in business school, I was like I want to 536 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: be like did. 537 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: He Yeah, everybody did, people to name themselves after him. 538 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. You were like, you were like, look, this guy, 539 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 3: he's cool, he's in the industry, he's young, he's black, 540 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: he's doing it, and like to see this icon go 541 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: down like that, you know, this just I'm not defend. 542 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that what he did is right. I'm 543 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 3: just saying it's just kind of like a portion of 544 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: your life. You're just like, damn, this guy is gone. 545 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's how people felt about Bill Cosby. 546 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, yeah absolutely, And listen, people 547 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: still will say he was trying to buy it a network, 548 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: and they just say anything. 549 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: You know, he was well to do with let me 550 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: tell you did he was, in fact, and I can 551 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: tell you he was trying to buy a network, which 552 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: one I'm not going to say him tell the story, 553 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 3: but it's one hundred percent true. He was doing that, 554 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: and he was raising money, and he was doing stuff, 555 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: and he had a bunch of things that he was 556 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: doing right before it's happened. Like I said, I'm not 557 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 3: trying to put out and he can conspiracies, but I'm 558 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: telling you one hundred percent as fact that he was. 559 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 3: He had a ton of money, and he was trying 560 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: to buy a network, and he was trying to do 561 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: a bunch of other things. And that happened directly right after, 562 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 3: right before all of these allocations. 563 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 2: It's also shocking to me that something like that could 564 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: happen at a hotel and there's video footage of it 565 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 2: and clearly people have seen it and it's been buried 566 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: for so long. 567 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not shocking at all. I Mean, there is 568 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: so much stuff that's out there that like just doesn't 569 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: get really especially when you're a celebrity, right. 570 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: And you can pay yeah, you can say you. 571 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: Can just say hey, look, you know, it's a really 572 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: bad look for me. I'm really sorry, you know, I'm 573 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: going to go to counseling, you know. And sometimes you 574 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: feel bad, You're thicking, like do I really want to 575 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: destroy this person? You know? 576 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: Have you ever felt bad if you've gotten something that. 577 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: You've gotten some crazy stuff, right, that could really destroy people, right, 578 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: And a lot of times we're just like, you know what, 579 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to kind of do 580 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: this to this person. This is a person that's really loved. 581 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: Nothing like this, right, like anything like that. 582 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say if they really should be 583 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: accountable for certain things because you know, but nothing like that. 584 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there was like some criminal stuff that was 585 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: There was a lot of stuff like that that we get, 586 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 3: and a lot of times we just the one thing 587 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: that we don't want to do is we don't want 588 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 3: to like put out anything that's gonna put someone in prison. Right, 589 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 3: Let the police handle that. Like if you if you're 590 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 3: gonna leak it out to us, leak it out to 591 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 3: somebody else. There's plenty of people that after that, right, right, 592 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: But I don't want to I don't want to do that. 593 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 3: I don't want to get involved in like putting someone 594 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: in prison, that too many black people in prison right now. 595 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: If you're gonna do it and the police are gonna 596 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: do it, that's fine. I don't want to have any 597 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: part of that. And another thing we don't want to 598 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: do is a lot of times we don't want to 599 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: do something is going to really mess up somebody's money. Okay, 600 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: So a lot of times they'll be like an actor 601 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: and they'll say something or do something or whatever. There's 602 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: a story about it, and it's right around the time 603 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: that they're negotiating a deal or anything like that, and 604 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: it's just like, these people work so hard to kind 605 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: of get it out there and not necessarily even that person, 606 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: you don't want to mess it up for another black 607 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: actor that's coming coming behind them, or a sports star. 608 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: You know, there was one time, I don't want to 609 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: say the name, but what a really really big sports star. 610 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 3: There was a gigantic scandal happened and we didn't report 611 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 3: on that. 612 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Did other people report on it? 613 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: No? 614 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: Oh, so you got the law, Yeah, so we we 615 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: had what about Okay, let me ask you this. What 616 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: if it's a couple, right, the married couple, somebody's cheating 617 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: and you guys get the exclusive on that, would you 618 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: hesitate to put that out because it could potentially break 619 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: up their marriage? 620 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: I think a lot of times. I mean, remember, we 621 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: we go in on stuff. So we'll do in that case, 622 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: like let's say we have someone caught red handed dead 623 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: and the rights on it, what we'll do is we'll 624 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 3: we'll report on it, but we'll allude to like the cheating, 625 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: but we'll give it away. Where Like, there's a good 626 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: number of people that are read that and be like, oh, 627 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: that's media take out, right, that never happened, right, Like 628 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: I don't believe it, right, And there's so myths, so 629 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: much stuff that's on here that I think people will 630 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: be like, oh, that's on media to take out. That's 631 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: never true, that never happened, and it's one hundred percent true, right, right, 632 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: Like you think about it, Like we broke a couple 633 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 3: of months ago that Cardi B was pregnant, and the 634 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: Cardi B came out and she told the press, who's like, 635 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: I am not pregnant, and then everybody was like, ah, 636 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: media to take out and friendalized big news, right, and 637 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: it turned out obviously we were right. So there's so 638 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: much of that that goes on that people will literally 639 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: believe that we were wrong on something we were one 640 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: hundred percent right on it. 641 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: Is it wrong a report on a woman being pregnant 642 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: before she wants to, because you know, you could look 643 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: at her and see she's pregnant. 644 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: But I would never have been like, oh, Cardi B's 645 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: pregnant because you feel kind of bad. 646 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: That's like sometimes women, you know, for various reasons, don't 647 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: want to announce it until they're in a place where 648 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, the pregnancy is safe, you know past 649 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 2: a certain period. 650 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're you know, I get why you 651 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: wouldn't do it. But we gotta make a living. We 652 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: are porn on something, right, We're not gonna put some 653 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: to jail. 654 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: To report on. 655 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 2: So where do you see growth going now here? Because 656 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: I know there's other companies that you have acquired, so 657 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: talk about that please. 658 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think right now we're in a really interesting 659 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: space in digital media. I think a lot of people 660 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: are just down on it. They're like, oh, the internet 661 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 3: and specifically news companies are dying or dead. I see 662 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: the exact opposite. I think that there are tons of 663 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: really really strong publications that are out there, and we're 664 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: looking we're in full on acquisition mode. We're out there 665 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: looking at we acquired cheat sheet. 666 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I get I didn't realize that because I get 667 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: cheat sheet and so that it's very helpful. 668 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean we did click what's happening? 669 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 3: Right, It's it's definitely a little bit. It's a different 670 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: side in that it's not African American focus. But there's 671 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: a ton of other ton of celebrity news on there too, 672 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: and we're doing a bunch of other sites right now. 673 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 3: We're in negotiations on two or three others. I think 674 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: before the end of the year, you're going to see 675 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 3: a bunch of Next year you're going to see more. 676 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: And I think it's really about expanding black media and 677 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 3: just believing in print journalism, right, Like I think a 678 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: lot of times people just kind of are saying, oh, 679 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: it's dead. People aren't reading news articles, but news articles 680 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: are kind of the foundation and people a lot of 681 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: times people say, well, well, I get on social media, 682 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: but you're not really getting the news from social media. 683 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: The news is being created by real journalists off social media, right, 684 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: and then someone is taking it and then they're talking 685 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 3: about it or adding or adding commentary which I think 686 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: is very valuable on social media too. But you need 687 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 3: to have both, right, Like you need to have the 688 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: folks on social media that are providing good quality commentary 689 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: on it, but you need to have true journalists that 690 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: are going out there, trained journalists out there doing it. 691 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 3: I mean, between media takeout and cheat sheet, we have 692 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: over one hundred years of journalism experience, professional journalism experience 693 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: on our staff, and you need people like that that 694 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: are going to go out there and do it. Like 695 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: I said, you don't have to necessarily believe it or 696 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: you say, oh, well, you know, I don't know. There 697 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: are people that are following the traditional journalistic ethics that 698 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 3: are going out and doing this, and the era of 699 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: fake news, you absolutely need that. 700 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 701 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: When I see the media takeout stories and no one 702 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: else has reported it yet, I'm always like, Okay, let 703 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: me go, let me do a little research. I mean it, 704 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: and then I always have to be like a credit 705 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: and media takeout because. 706 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I have to get myself just in case. But you 707 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: know a lot of times you guys have been spot on. 708 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of stories out there 709 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: right now. I mean there's one that we were working 710 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: on that I'd like to preview with you right now. Yeah, 711 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: I'm ready, Okay, So you know everyone's hearing about Usher, 712 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: and he just recently canceled. 713 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: His performance, yeah, the kickoff show, right. 714 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: So the official word is that he was just tired 715 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: or ill or whatever. So we did some digging on this, 716 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: and it is true. So Usher has been spending a 717 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: lot of time over the summer with his children. He 718 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: was away obviously when he's doing the Vegas stuff, and 719 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: so he's been really kind of into his family and 720 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: so it really is exhaustion. So that's kind of the 721 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: official which is true. But now the tea is so 722 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: I spoke a couple of people and they're a little 723 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: bit worried about the relation ship or the impact that 724 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: ushers what new wife Jen is having on him. They 725 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 3: said that Usher in the past would have kind of 726 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: pushed through this and kind of performed, but it was 727 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: Jen who convinced him that he needed some to take 728 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: a little bit of time for himself and his family 729 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: and to not perform. And so there's a growing rift 730 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: I think between kind of people in Usher's kind of 731 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: management team and gen and I think this is something 732 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: that I think we're going to see play out over 733 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks. 734 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: Okay, that's juicy. You know his wife is also. Isn't 735 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: she related to Donald Glover's wife or something like that. 736 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: I know she's she's been in the industry for a while. 737 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: You know, they look alike. 738 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: I think that their sisters or something like that. Let 739 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: me double check that. Let me not give media take 740 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: out of stories. Somebody gonna fact check this, dig into that. 741 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll be looking for that one. That's it. 742 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: Okay, she's good. I mean, and I'm just like, I 743 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: got tickets for him in New York in September. I'm like, uh, sure, 744 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 3: you got to get yourself the job, you know, if 745 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: you've got to rest through Atlanta, and we know that's okay, 746 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: but just be good when you come to New York. 747 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: I'm joking. 748 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I appreciate you for coming through. 749 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: It's been too long. 750 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: I know, Angela. I love just being around you too. 751 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: Thank you. That means you got to hang out too, okay, good. 752 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 2: That means you can't write nothing, no pace, I actually 753 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: don't mind. I have friends that work at Bossip and 754 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: they've definitely done like not flattering stories about me, but 755 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: I don't take it personally because I also because I'm 756 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: in this space, I understand what it is. 757 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: You know. 758 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people write things and I'm like, Dan, 759 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: that's my friend. But I'm also knowing that it probably 760 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: wasn't them necessarily that wrote it, and that people have 761 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: a job to do and that this too shall pass. 762 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: And so that's what I tell myself when something happens. 763 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing too. A lot of times, like 764 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: when something like that happens, they're like, oh my god, 765 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: this is the end of the world. Think about the 766 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: internet is like the like the life cycle of a story. 767 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: It's like three or four hours, maybe maybe six hours, 768 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: certainly not a day, and then it's over. 769 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: People, something tragic happens, you're like, woo right, get me 770 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: out of here. But you know, that is something that 771 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: I have learned as far as myself not responding to 772 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: certain things or giving it too much, because I know, like, 773 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: once I leave something alone, it's about to go away, 774 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: and there'll be people that bring it up online and 775 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: things like that here and there, but it's not a 776 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: bigger it's a bigger story when you give it more ammunition, right. 777 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it too. There are millions and 778 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: millions of people that love you, Angela and they listen 779 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: to you, and then there's like a couple of people 780 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: that are. 781 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: Going to say there's millions they don't yet as well. 782 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, But it's fine, comes with it, 783 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: It comes. 784 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 3: With the job, right, But I'm just saying, like, on balance, 785 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: there's way more people that love you and like that 786 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 3: that then the people that are going to say and 787 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: hold on to this other stuff. And sometimes it's hard 788 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 3: to see that, right because like our eyes in your 789 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: your mind just fixates on the people that are saying 790 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: the negative stuff, and so you think, like, oh my god, 791 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: the people they're really when they think about me, they're 792 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: thinking about this scandal or whatever else. But they're not. 793 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: They're just thinking about you, know you and all the 794 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: great things that you do, and that's why they know you, 795 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: and that's why they follow you. 796 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: We'll see y'all hearty here. Thank you so much. I 797 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 798 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: We got to catch up more often though, because this 799 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: was fun, and you know, feel free to keep giving 800 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: me some takes. 801 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't mind, and I'll keep on looking at a. 802 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: Media takeout like I keep on saying I'd be on there, y'all. Okay, 803 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: all right, well it's way up. Thank you so much, 804 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: fred m for joining us way up.