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Speaker 1: High Strange is an eight part series. If you'd like

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Speaker 1: to bene the whole series right now ad free, you

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Speaker 1: can subscribe to Tenderfoot Plus on Apple podcasts. Hey it's

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Speaker 1: pain here. We have some really exciting updates for you.

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Speaker 1: The UFO story has not gotten any smaller or quieter.

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Speaker 1: It's gotten a little bit louder.

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Speaker 2: We think.

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Speaker 1: We have some special guests, some new stories you probably

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Speaker 1: haven't heard yet, and a very special announcement about the

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Speaker 1: future of High Strange. But what you can do right now,

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Speaker 1: and I highly suggest you do, is go listen to

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Speaker 1: a new interview that we did with a man named

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbel. It's available on my weekly podcast, Talking to Death.

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Speaker 2: It's out right now.

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Speaker 1: Just go search Talking to Death on your podcast app

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Speaker 1: and look for the most recent episode with Jeremy Corbel.

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Speaker 2: And I promise you it's worth it. Thanks y'all.

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Speaker 3: Go.

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Speaker 2: It's a good song. And he's out of jail now,

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Speaker 2: is he he is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Gun it yeah yeah. Well it's like when did Metro.

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Speaker 2: Go to jail? Okay, we're back, we're back. We're back.

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Speaker 2: It's been a minute. Yeah, we're out.

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Speaker 3: Of jail, Out of jail, straight to space.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's why it took so long. We've been

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Speaker 1: in jail this whole time. No, we've been in podcast

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Speaker 1: jail making other podcasts. But trust me when I say

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Speaker 1: we have never stopped thinking about High Strange because it's

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Speaker 1: one of the most fun shows I think I've ever

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Speaker 1: worked on. Now we're back here because one, we've missed you.

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Speaker 1: Two we've really never stopped talking, thinking about, or researching

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Speaker 1: or researching investigating UFO phenomenon since we since episode eight

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Speaker 1: of High Strange. And we've done a couple of different

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Speaker 1: roundtable episode because it's been so long. A lot's happened

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Speaker 1: since we left off. I feel like a year ago,

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Speaker 1: more further past that in a good way, in terms

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Speaker 1: of people just being open to the concept of, hey,

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Speaker 1: and it's okay to look into it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can honestly say that since High Strange ended,

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Speaker 3: I have looked, I have researched more than I did

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Speaker 3: during the production of High Strange into UFOs, into Aliens,

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Speaker 3: into Nhi. I am obsessed beyond what I was before.

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Speaker 2: Dylan was already obsessed.

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Speaker 6: I think I'll always be obsessed. Yeah, if any of

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Speaker 6: you could see our text chain for the last eight

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Speaker 6: months since we last made this, nothing you would ever

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Speaker 6: listen to us.

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Speaker 2: Nothing gets right. It's just all conspiracy, all credit this show.

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Speaker 3: No no, but nothing gets through the cracks. Nothing slips

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Speaker 5: We see it all.

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Speaker 3: We've seen everything. You think that you need to email.

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Speaker 1: To us, we have seen it, right, Or if you're

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Speaker 2: Man, tell me something right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair too, because I'm also I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that's happened since the release

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Speaker 1: and last minute Dylan and I decided to take a

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Speaker 6: So, you know, I got the call from pay late one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and he just he calls me. He's like, we're

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Speaker 2: We were there too. We're like Oh, make god, we

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Speaker 3: I wanted to go so bad. I was so jealous.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an experience. It was a once in

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Speaker 1: There were so many people at this random hearing on

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Speaker 1: It was the back of the class. People were clapping.

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Speaker 1: It was this surreal thing, like people talk about the

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Speaker 1: idea of disclosure right where, you know, eventually one day

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it's ever going to happen

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Speaker 1: But it felt like a closure, a moment where you

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Grush, because if you don't know

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Speaker 3: What was your favorite thing he said in the Congression?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I remember you showing me that this guy

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Speaker 1: saying stuff that was absolutely bunkers crazy sounding, because you've

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's you've You've heard crazier claims than this.

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Speaker 3: Everyone has. Everyone's heard some crazy shit from some UFO

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Speaker 3: crazy stuff. But this guy. The crazy thing about this

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Speaker 3: But Grusha's like almost bulletproof.

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Speaker 2: Like this guy's like legit, like a good guy for it.

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Speaker 3: He was briefing Obama on counterintelligence measures like that. They

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Speaker 2: Doesn't adding on their face.

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Speaker 1: If this guy is completely has completely lost his mind,

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Speaker 3: Can I start with my favorite one? Yes, Mussolini and

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Mussolini, his Italia recovered a UFO in nineteen

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Speaker 3: And this predates Roswell, which is the craziest.

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Speaker 1: Either, I mean, they're huge claims that go for generations.

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Speaker 1: Like basically, he's alleging that there is this black program,

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Speaker 1: we have crafts. And the way he phrases it is biologics.

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Speaker 3: Non human intelligence.

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Speaker 3: But what did he do? He got in a congressional hearing.

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Speaker 3: And this goes into Brian Bender's whole first article that

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to talk to Brian Bender about

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Speaker 5: Brian.

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Speaker 7: How you been, man?

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Speaker 7: What's the latest in your world of journalism?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I sometimes joke that I'm now a

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Speaker 7: I just realized before we hopped on this call that

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Speaker 8: lane in the world of ufology that they believe, and

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Speaker 8: many of them have read millions of books and done

440
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 8: all kinds of independent research, and they believe it as

441
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 8: if it's gospel, and it's like nothing is going to

442
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Speaker 8: change your mind. There's pretty widespread belief or kind of

443
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 8: gut feeling that we are not alone in the universe

444
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Speaker 8: as an intelligent species. Whatever species might mean, you know,

445
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 8: elsewhere in the universe could mean something very different than

446
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Speaker 8: what we think of. And I think you could also

447
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Speaker 8: go a step further and say there's a decent amount

448
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Speaker 8: of evidence, certainly circumstantial.

449
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Speaker 5: It's not even more than that that they actually do

450
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Speaker 5: exist somewhere in some way, because I mean it's hard to.

451
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Speaker 8: Look back over history and even in ancient religions, I mean,

452
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 8: so many references to some sort of heavenly beings coming here,

453
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Speaker 8: you know, having some sort of role certainly in our

454
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Speaker 8: sense of ourselves as a human race.

455
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Speaker 5: And I tend to be among those who.

456
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Speaker 8: Believe that, you know, whether smoke, there's fire, there probably

457
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Speaker 8: is something that.

458
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Speaker 5: Fits that description somewhere in the universe, far away or

459
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Speaker 5: maybe not so far away.

460
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Speaker 8: But then the second bucket I sort of think about

461
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 8: is and this gets into some of the reporting that

462
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Speaker 8: I was involved in, you know, the question of whether

463
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Speaker 8: our government or governments of the world have some really

464
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Speaker 8: solid answers to that question, or evidence of that that

465
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 8: they've been hiding from us. I consider those sort of

466
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 8: two different lanes, if you will, because I think you

467
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 8: can believe that there are aliens, or there are extraterrestrials

468
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 8: or some sort of form of intelligent life that for

469
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Speaker 8: whatever reason we can't kind of put our finger on

470
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Speaker 8: in a sort of convincing way where everybody's like, oh, yeah,

471
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 8: of course they're here or they've been here. And I,

472
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Speaker 8: you know, I'm in that camp, but I'm not yet convinced,

473
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Speaker 8: like many people in the world of youthology, are that

474
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Speaker 8: the evidence of that, the proof of that is somehow

475
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 8: resident in some secret government agency or buried under Area

476
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 8: fifty one and in the grandest conspiracy of all time.

477
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Speaker 8: The US government, presumably in cohoots with other governments in

478
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Speaker 8: the world, has kept that hidden from the global pump.

479
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 8: I don't think that there's evidence of that.

480
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that even though it's been on UFO,

481
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: Twitter and shit on a bunch of front page everything

482
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Speaker 1: all over the news circuit, some people have probably been

483
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: living under a rock or just haven't heard about this yet.

484
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: So to speak to them, just give me a little

485
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Speaker 1: like short recap log line on.

486
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Speaker 5: Yeah, David Grush, who are we talking about? So?

487
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Speaker 8: David Grush is a now former intelligence official. He worked

488
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Speaker 8: for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency n GA, which is

489
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Speaker 8: sort of one of the alphabet soup intelligence agencies really

490
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 8: responsible for like you know, using space to map the Earth.

491
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Speaker 8: But he was part of this Pentagon task Force that

492
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Speaker 8: was set up by Congress a couple of years ago

493
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Speaker 8: to you know, basically answer some of these questions like

494
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 8: were there secret government programs that might know about, you know,

495
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 8: extraterrestrial crashes, Were there are programs that could have been

496
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 8: verse engineered where we learned some new technology from something

497
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Speaker 8: that we recovered that we couldn't explain. So David Grush

498
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Speaker 8: was part of that effort. Last year, he came forward

499
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Speaker 8: publicly and also filed a request for an investigation through

500
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Speaker 8: the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community, which is sort

501
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 8: of like the internal watchdog over all the spy agencies.

502
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Speaker 5: And his claims are that he talked to dozens of

503
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 5: people on the inside with clearances like himself, who assert

504
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: that the government did in fact have in its custody

505
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: at some point UFO crash material and that there was

506
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Speaker 5: an actual secret program to figure out how does that

507
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Speaker 5: stuff work. He's made those claims publicly, he's testified before Congress.

508
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: But he is the first to say that none of

509
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Speaker 5: the some forty people that he says he talked to

510
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Speaker 5: on the inside, or or you know, people that had

511
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 5: real knowledge, does he have firsthand knowledge himself. In other words,

512
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: he's never seen anything. He's never worked on such a program.

513
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 5: He's hearing this from people who swear that this is

514
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Speaker 5: the case.

515
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Speaker 8: And when I say, I don't think there's evidence of

516
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 8: these claims, you know, we don't know what these secret

517
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 8: programs were, we don't know where they were run, we

518
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 8: don't know how they were hidden. Now granted, they could

519
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 8: all be secret deeply classified, and so that's why we

520
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 8: don't know. But I also think we have to consider

521
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Speaker 8: that one of the most common things humans do. You

522
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 8: and I do it probably all the time in our

523
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 8: daily lives, is play the game of telephone, which is

524
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Speaker 8: I talked to somebody who knows my brother in law

525
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 8: who works in the Secret Agency, who saw the alien

526
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 8: bodies in the area fifty one. I have found in

527
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 8: my reporting and getting to know some of the leading people,

528
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 8: particularly former government officials, who really believe this.

529
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: Who again will say I never sought myself.

530
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Speaker 8: That they have fallen victim to a little bit of

531
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Speaker 8: a game of telephone. It has gone on for decades,

532
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Speaker 8: you know, sort of the water cooler talk, even at

533
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 8: the CIA or at the Pentagon, where people hear these stories,

534
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 8: and they.

535
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Speaker 5: Hear them from people that are quite credible. I mean,

536
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 5: they have security clearances, they're entrusted with our nation's secrets.

537
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: But you know, I do think there is an element

538
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 5: of this of sort of this echo chamber, if you will,

539
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: that this is true, and it's always been true, and

540
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 5: it's always been hidden, and I talk to the people

541
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: who know about it, but yet we still haven't seen

542
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: the goods and you know, and people say, well, if

543
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 5: it's secret, why would we see the goods?

544
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 8: Right, how would the government you know, bring itself to

545
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 8: ever let us know? And my rejoinder to that is

546
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 8: we get a lot of.

547
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 5: Secrets to get leaked out of the government, tons of them, to.

548
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 8: The point where they put people in jail for the

549
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 8: rest of their lives.

550
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 5: Right leaking stuff. So, if you know there was this

551
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: grand conspiracy to hide evidence, real evidence of alien.

552
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 8: Life, why have we not been able to figure it out?

553
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 8: And you know, why haven't we been able to see

554
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 8: the evidence. I'm not ruling out that it's possible that

555
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 8: that has happened.

556
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 5: Those programs did exist, there was a UFO crash. I'm

557
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 5: just saying I'm not I'm just not convinced.

558
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 8: Yet that that's the case, even though there's this whole

559
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 8: sort of cultural phenomenon surrounding this that almost takes it

560
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 8: as gospel.

561
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Speaker 5: You know. You know, we watch a lot of Hollywood

562
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: movies that that you know, underscore that, and I think,

563
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 5: you know.

564
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 8: It's a cultural issue as much as it is a

565
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 8: sort of you know, national security issue.

566
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 5: Right. We believe what we believe, and doesn't matter really

567
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: what the facts are or the truth is, and I

568
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: think we can't rule out that some government people have

569
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: been have fallen victim to that too.

570
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Back to the claims that he's made, do you mind

571
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: kind of untacking a few of those, And he mentioned

572
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Speaker 1: some sort of biologics, crafts, and I mean alleging that

573
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: aliens are real. We've seen the bodies, have the bodies,

574
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: and we have crafts, and it's just all the things

575
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: that Steven Spielberg wanted it to be.

576
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I mean he's basically his claims are that

577
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 8: the government has hidden for decades secret programs that have

578
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 8: known about When he says biologics like literally like biological materials,

579
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 8: alien bodies or parts of alien bodies, also alien technology,

580
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 8: and that there were programs, you know, to secretly try

581
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 8: and understand how how does this stuff work?

582
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: So that's the reverse.

583
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 8: Engineering program that he claims or programs, any claims that

584
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 8: these were hidden from even the highest levels of the government,

585
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 8: that they were sort ofly buried in kind of the

586
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 8: military industrial complex. And I say that because these claims

587
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 8: also assert a role for defense companies, aerospace companies, the

588
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 8: lockeed Martins or the North of Grumman's not then necessarily specifically,

589
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 8: but the companies that had made the stealth bombers and

590
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 8: all of those secret programs that you know were being

591
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 8: developed for decades and in some cases were actually mistook

592
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 8: for UFOs, right. I mean they were testing these things

593
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 8: out in the desert, stealth bombers and drones and all

594
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 8: those things. I mean, those things were being developed in

595
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 8: secret for years, and I think it's important to sort

596
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 8: of remember that because when you talk about secret alien technology,

597
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 8: and if you're one who believes that the government does

598
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 8: have it or has been working with something like that,

599
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 8: you can't really divorce it from the other nether world

600
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 8: of black programs. So billions of taxpayer dollars that have

601
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 8: gone into develop next generation technology like the stealth fighter,

602
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 8: the stealth bomber, you know, hypersonic missiles. I mean that

603
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 8: budget has got up and up and up and up.

604
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 8: We don't know kind of within it, but we know

605
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 8: the overall numbers, and so there's a lot of secret

606
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 8: technology development going on as we speak. Doesn't necessarily mean

607
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 8: it has any relationship or connection to you know, ekey

608
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 8: or alien technology, but if there were to be alien

609
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 8: technology that we recovered or studied or something and somehow

610
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 8: learned something that got led into some of those black programs.

611
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 8: It's all the more reason for the government not to

612
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 8: want to talk about it, to want to cover it up.

613
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 8: But you know, you mentioned the House a recent House hearing,

614
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 8: and the former pilots, you know, I think their testimony

615
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 8: for me also fits into that first bucket I mentioned earlier.

616
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 8: In other words, you know, David Grush, the whistleblower. Since

617
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 8: the government is hiding all this stuff, but it's hard

618
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 8: to dismiss those sightings of those navy pilots in their

619
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 8: testimony and what they say they saw as.

620
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 5: Real evidence of something really woo woo and really out there,

621
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: really advanced. And you know, if they're.

622
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 8: Not ours, and the government has said that that some

623
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Speaker 8: of those things, those orbs, those spears, they call them

624
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 8: tic TACs. They were like oblong shaped craft that you know,

625
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 8: would go from one hundred thousand feet to the surface

626
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 8: of the ocean in like a few seconds.

627
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 5: Nothing that we could do. The government said they're not ours.

628
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 8: And so the government is on the record saying that

629
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 8: we're seeing stuff out there that we can't explain, and

630
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 8: we're trying to explain it. But again that's different from

631
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 8: the government already knows what these things are and it's

632
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 8: just lying to us and you know, figured out all

633
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 8: the answers.

634
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: I think a lot of their reluctance to talk about

635
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 5: the UFO issue is not because they have knowledge they

636
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: don't want to share. It's because of the lack of knowledge.

637
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 8: In other words, they know there's something out there and

638
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 8: they can't really figure out what it is.

639
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 5: And if you're in the intelligence business, you don't share secrets,

640
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 5: but you also don't share information that you have that you.

641
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 8: Haven't really put together yet either because you wouldn't want,

642
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 8: you know, your potential enemies to know that. So I

643
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 8: do think that, you know, the pilot's coming forward, it's

644
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 8: really changed the conversation, and it made it a sort

645
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 8: of more serious topic, like if we don't know what

646
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 8: these things are, we damn well better find out. But

647
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 8: you know, it's still it's still intriguing to me the

648
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 8: possibility that there is there has been secret programs within

649
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 8: our government that do know more and are not sharing more,

650
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 8: And that to me, obviously would be huge story in

651
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 8: and of itself, but it's also a huge story for

652
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 8: our democracy. Because it would also be proof of a

653
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 8: government within a government, because you have the House of

654
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 8: Representative saying, tell us what you know. We have the

655
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 8: head of the Pentagon saying, we don't know, but we're

656
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 8: trying to find out. But meanwhile, you would have some

657
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 8: sort of you know, nether world of government officials or

658
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 8: contractors that sort of have all these goods, and even

659
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 8: the leadership that we've elected to sort of oversee them

660
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 8: are in the dark. So, like, you know, it's a

661
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: good story that we have to keep tracking because of

662
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 8: the implications of it if it were to be true,

663
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 8: you know, not just what it would mean for you know,

664
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 8: our presence in the universe, if we really did have

665
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 8: evidence anew of another intelligent life form, but you know

666
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 8: what it would mean for you know, our politics, that

667
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 8: we sat on this for years and they were able

668
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 8: to hide it even from the people that are supposed

669
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 8: to know all the secrets.

670
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: One more thing before I let you go, there is

671
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: a video circulating on the internet that came out.

672
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: A few days ago.

673
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: It's a UFO video, an alleged UFHO video from the military,

674
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: and it's being referred to as the Jellyfish.

675
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 7: Have you seen this video. What are your thoughts on that?

676
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 7: That was Corbel?

677
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jeremy Corbel is sort of kind of been a

678
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 8: leader in you know, sort of plopping into the public

679
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 8: discussion some really intriguing footage of things that you know,

680
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 8: come out of the military or some government agency. He

681
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 8: obviously had some sources that leads that stuff to him.

682
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 8: But the thing that's always puzzling to me is like

683
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 8: it's always usually it's a very small, peny, little clip, yeah,

684
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 8: and I'm always saying, where's the rest of it?

685
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 5: They just look at it for three seconds or three hours?

686
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 5: And I was familiar.

687
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 8: I had heard about the jellyfish a couple of years ago,

688
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 8: like this sort of was going around like, oh, the

689
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 8: Pentagon got you know, custody of some radar footage or

690
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 8: done camera footage.

691
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: I forget was of this jellyfish, of this very large tentacled.

692
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 8: There was another one, I think it was a different

693
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 8: one people called the chandelier that looked like a big

694
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 8: chandelier hanging over the Persian Gulf in the Middle East.

695
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 8: You know, pilots were seeing it and reporting it. They're intriguing,

696
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 8: but taking in isolation, they don't really get us very far,

697
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 8: it's like it's exciting, it's clickbait, you know people.

698
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: You know, obviously, I.

699
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 8: Understand why Jeremy Corbel wants to put these out there.

700
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 8: It's great for his website, it's great for his brand.

701
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 8: But in the grand scheme of things, is it really

702
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 8: moving the ball. It's just like it's just like another

703
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 8: shiny object, literally, like, let's look at that for five minutes.

704
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 8: And you know, I think the next chapter in this

705
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 8: if you want to go back to that or sort

706
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 8: of the breaking point is and I think we're starting

707
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 8: to see it. I don't think it'll be a breaking

708
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 8: point in the sense it will be abrupt, but it

709
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 8: will evolve, can continue to evolve.

710
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 5: The topic of UFOs is.

711
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 8: Now, I think, in a way much more mainstream and

712
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 8: acceptable in sort of acceptable society. I mean, this is

713
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 8: a little more imminent maybe than the next season.

714
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: But you know, the Pentagon Office is supposed to release

715
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 5: kind of volume one of its findings from the last

716
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 5: few years, I think any day now, which is supposed

717
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 5: to be sort of what are we learning from some

718
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 5: of these military pilots, for example, what are we learning

719
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: about the possible existence of you know, secret compartmentalized programs

720
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 5: and we're hiding, you know, UFO material.

721
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 8: It's also supposed to report back on like they were

722
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 8: required by Congress to do a historical study, like go

723
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 8: back seventy five years and try to figure out what

724
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 8: might have been hidden. Interestingly, that study is also supposed

725
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 8: to focus on any disinformation campaigns that our own government.

726
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 5: Undertook on the topic of UFOs. And I think that's.

727
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 8: Interesting too, because if you really did want to hide something,

728
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 8: you don't just lock it in a box in a

729
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 8: room somewhere and give three people with security clearance, you know,

730
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 8: authority over it. You might do that, but I think

731
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 8: if you really had a deep, dark secret, you also

732
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 8: create around it so much bullshit, in so much.

733
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 5: Conspiracy theories, yeah, so.

734
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 8: Much noise that no one is ever going to find

735
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 8: the room because they are going to be distracted by

736
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 8: fifty thousand other things and other stories and other tales.

737
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 8: And there's already evidence in terms of government documents that

738
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 8: have been released that our government had a UFO disinformation campaign.

739
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 8: Often it was to shield those black programs. I talked

740
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 8: about the stealth bomber, the stealth fighter, I mean, the

741
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 8: Soviet Union, the Russians were crawling all over America during

742
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 8: the Cold War trying to figure out what are we

743
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: up to?

744
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 5: What's our next big weapon?

745
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 8: And you know, there's evidence that we actually our government

746
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 8: spread false UFO reports to drive the Russians crazy and also,

747
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 8: you know, take people off the scent of maybe some

748
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 8: truly secret thing that had nothing to do.

749
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: With ET that we were working on.

750
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 8: And so I'm interested to see what we're willing to

751
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 8: cop to on that, what our government is willing to

752
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 8: admit on that, because I think that's also muddled this

753
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 8: issue in a way that makes it very very hard

754
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 8: to unwind this ball of yard. People who care about this,

755
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 8: the public needs the Marshal itself to figure out ways

756
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 8: how do we gather more information, How do we on

757
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 8: our own study these reports and see if we can

758
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 8: figure something out.

759
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: It makes me question why someone like David Grush would

760
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: make something up like this that's so complex. I mean,

761
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: people do weird shit for weird reasons that you don't understand.

762
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: That's that's so effect. But this person is a decorated

763
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: individual and government and intelligence in the intelligence community, and

764
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't see what he really has to gain. He

765
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: can't really has stuff to lose. If this is all

766
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: for a book deal, that's pretty shitty.

767
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: Can we go Can we go into that? Let's go

768
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: into why would he? Why about this? Also, we met

769
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: only only if he believes it. Do you want to

770
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: go into how we met him?

771
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: Oh?

772
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how he didn't bring any of this up

773
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: to h Okay, Actually, well that's a big we'll play

774
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: a clip of this actually, so. Brian Bender mentioned a

775
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: man named Jeremy Corbel, who if if you're not aware

776
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: of who this individual is, in my eyes, he's kind

777
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: of like he is like the new UFO guy. Yeah,

778
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: he's the UFO He's just most of this stuff right now. Yeah,

779
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: but like there's there's been another UFO guy. There's there's

780
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: also George Knapp. Yeah but no, but like right now,

781
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: like this is the He is on the pulse of

782
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: all things UFO UAP and tends to get all of

783
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: the government leaks and clearly has some great relationships with

784
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: secret sources and has broken a lot of big stories

785
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: in in the UFO genre.

786
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 5: Here.

787
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I recently sat down and interviewed Jeremy Corbel, which I've

788
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: been trying to do for a long time. Actually, we

789
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: were trying to in view Jeremy well over a year

790
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: ago while we were making High Stream Season one. Mike

791
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: and I actually flew to Vegas. If you remember in

792
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: the first season when we went to Area fifty one,

793
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: it was the same time that we were there, and

794
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: we simultaneously stated this hotel in Vegas and attended this

795
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: Star Trek conference. We're not Drekky's. I don't really even

796
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: know much about.

797
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: Star Trek for yourself. I'm not saying that it's not bad.

798
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: I just you know, I was like, didn't feel like

799
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: I was a diehard fan enough, Like William Shatner was there,

800
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: it was the whole thing.

801
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: It was cool to see.

802
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, But Jeremy Corbell was there with another journalist, George Knapp,

803
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: who we've used some clips from his some of his

804
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: journalism and season one, and they spoke on a panel

805
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: and my plan was to hopefully, you know, grab him

806
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: afterwards and have a sit down with him, but he

807
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: was super busy, like most people are in the world,

808
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: and we had to postponent. But I realized, I'll play

809
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: this clip, I'll play this clip from the interview in

810
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: a second. But I realized that in my interview with him.

811
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: He was describing that scene where we met after the

812
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: panel in Vegas and we were at the elevator. He goes,

813
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: you know who I was with that day, right? I

814
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: was like, you know, George Nap and he goes, no,

815
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: the other guy, David. I was like, oh, yeah, the David,

816
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the tall guy, right.

817
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like that was David Grush.

818
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, and David Grush, me and the

819
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: guy at the congressional hearing the guy who's started a

820
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: whole brand new conversation about this, And in that moment,

821
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: I go, holy shit, you're right.

822
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: I see his face now, yeah, and he is.

823
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: Tall as shit, and I hear his voice and I go,

824
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the uber back to the airport and

825
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I text both of you guys, I go go dig

826
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: up that tape because I was also like secretly recording

827
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: all that, which I told him at the end that

828
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: I was doing that. I said, go play that tape

829
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: back and go to this moment, and I was doing

830
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: it on dropbox and I was like, holy ship, that's

831
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: his voice, that's him.

832
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 5: We'll figure it all out.

833
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 9: Oh you pay, Yeah, he tells me the layout for it.

834
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 10: I'm gonna suggest some guests that I can get him

835
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 10: in contact with.

836
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: It's like an audio escape thing.

837
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be the documentary version, right, Yeah, I want

838
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: to help you.

839
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be. I wouldn't waste your time.

840
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: If I didn't think this is my bodyguard, Dave, he

841
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: don't be my ass have a special friends.

842
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: You don't need a bodyguard.

843
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: But I know he probably could beat.

844
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that we're working on is gonna be

845
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: just targeted towards breaking the stigma and kind of just

846
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: self acknowledging just like, yeah, we're self aware. I guess

847
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: it's aliens and silly, but is it though, Like you know,

848
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: what's really up is the entire toe of the whole thing.

849
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

850
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: I think that will resonate with just everyone. Yeah, and

851
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I think that it could be a way to.

852
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Just push the narrative forward.

853
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 10: And I'm sure we have find time for a beer

854
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 10: or yeah, off in the dark lights.

855
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw.

856
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 5: For the first time.

857
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 7: We're all doing later later tonight.

858
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 9: I don't know yet, okay, because we we Yeah, we

859
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 9: might be going to you know z Yeah, like I'm

860
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 9: like fighting with his manager really well, like so I

861
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 9: could probably get us all back to it like I

862
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 9: used to in.

863
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 5: A different way, but used to like laser letting designer,

864
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 5: I used to you.

865
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, still very cool, you know yeah, if that's real, that's.

866
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: The this for like an hour, Like it might be

867
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: a fun little thing if you get it on school

868
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: we run out of stuff to do.

869
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, you know what I mean.

870
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 2: That's much came on my scene.

871
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 11: He's super cool after I left you, like.

872
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: When they came.

873
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 8: The previously before some other things I forget, yeah, some other.

874
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: Hey, great talk to that was awesome.

875
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing that, uh, this guy who comes

876
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: up with this what could potentially be a life altering

877
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: story and the upho narrative was right there next to us.

878
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: And we've also been trying to reach him for like months.

879
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: But now hey, now we we know that we're only

880
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: one degree away.

881
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Also, David is standing right talking just out of my

882
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: eyeballs talking to me about Z and you're inviting him

883
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: to the Z show. Yeah, which is just.

884
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm dude, you're going to go to the Z concert?

885
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: Dude, Like I don't know you, but you should come.

886
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: Like sounds like I was being lamb, but no, like

887
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: we you know, we were Tim Smith. Actually you know

888
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Tim speaking of Tim Smith. If you're hearing this, this

889
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: guy is amazing.

890
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: He's Z's managers.

891
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: And scrillics and among other people, he does his big

892
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: he does cool, cooler ship than I do. He was

893
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: in Vegas the same the same time we were, and

894
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: we met up with him and he's like, hey, you

895
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: guys want to go to backstage Z?

896
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, I mean, what is that a question?

897
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: And so I was clearly like, hey, guys, like you

898
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: want to go backstage to Z. Turns out it was

899
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: actually even cooler than I was even talking about it was,

900
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: I mean, in his DJ It wasn't backstage we were.

901
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: I was DJing by her. Touch his button, Yeah, I

902
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: could touch his butt. I could have actually know. I

903
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: did give him my hat. He threw it into the

904
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: aid you told him to a little known story actually

905
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: about Tim Smith is that this man who is amazing love,

906
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: this guy Z's manager. He is actually the sole reason

907
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: that I was ever able to talk to Travis Walton.

908
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: I told him I was doing this this show a

909
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: long time ago when kind of when I first met him,

910
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: I think, and you know, he's into the topic and

911
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: I was keeping him up to speed, and somehow Travis

912
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: Walton came up. He's like, you know, actually I know

913
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: that guy. I met him before. I was like, what

914
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: do you mean. He's like, yeah, I met him a

915
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: conference or something and he's a Tim is a big

916
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: UFO guy, and I guess made the connection with him.

917
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: And remember that day when we were waiting on Travis

918
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: Walton to come and we thought he was never coming,

919
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: and I really, I mean I was texting Tim, and

920
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I to this day think that Tim sent a text

921
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: to Travis in like helped change his mind because he

922
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: was very late. And that's all good, but I think

923
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: that he was having doubts and about wanting to do it,

924
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: and I talked about that in the podcast.

925
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: I just let that little detail out.

926
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbel has insight unlike most people do in this

927
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: space unless you are part of the government, because he

928
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: has relationships with these people who have leaked videos, the

929
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: stuff that's spawned some of the biggest articles you've heard

930
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: and seen and read online. I sat down and talked

931
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: to him and it is an amazing, eye opening conversation

932
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: and I want you to go check it out on

933
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: my weekly show called Talking to death, and I know

934
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: it's annoying you have to go click another app and

935
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But in the meantime, while we're working

936
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: on High Straine season two, every week on my weekly show,

937
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: we talk about stuff like this, sometimes talk about true crime,

938
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: talk about UFOs, tab about aliens, And if you want

939
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: to just follow along as we're building these shows and

940
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: actually working on High Strange, that's how you could do it.

941
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: So if you want to check out the full interview

942
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: of Jeremy Corbel, which I think you really.

943
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Should, it's worth checking out with me.

944
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: It's one of the better ones that he's done, mostly

945
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: because I felt like he was just open with stuff,

946
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: and I even asked him what I felt like were

947
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: some real, rational, harder questions, and he had good answers

948
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: for them.

949
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: I asked Jeremy.

950
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: Corbel what he thinks, in his opinion, is the most interesting,

951
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: compelling footage of UFOs out there, which is a big question,

952
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: because there's a bunch of shit out there and a

953
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense and a bunch of stuff that might

954
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: be real that we don't know.

955
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: So I asked him this, and this is what he said.

956
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: What do you think personally is the most compelling evidence

957
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: of extra trest life personally.

958
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 10: First question that I've asked every single person I've ever

959
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 10: tried to, like interview. I was so naive. I'd say,

960
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 10: what's the best tell me personally what it is?

961
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: And it's never. It's never.

962
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 10: That's what I want when I talk to people, but

963
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 10: it's never as satisfying because the.

964
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: Real Like to you, I know, I'm gonna get your answer, bro,

965
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: I know it.

966
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: Okay, what is it?

967
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: Are you ready? It sucks? Okay?

968
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: What is it?

969
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 10: It is the preposterous preponderance and the weight of the

970
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 10: cumulative evidence and my personal experiences that gives me the

971
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 10: most powerful feeling of that is the evidentiary domination of it.

972
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 10: It's the culmination over decades and the preposterous preponderance of evidence.

973
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 10: And we could break that down for your views. What

974
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 10: does that mean? Everything from multisensor platforms to like, yeah,

975
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 10: I mean, I could like point to one thing that

976
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 10: I think is pretty good.

977
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like one case. Yeah, yeah, give me one case. Yeah.

978
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 4: Sure.

979
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 10: I think the least valued and the highest return on

980
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 10: a case is looking at the twenty nineteen UFO swarm

981
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 10: events over the ten Navy warships. The story that George

982
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 10: and I broke with unparalleled multisensor, multi platform footage that

983
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 10: we were able to obtain and release. That twenty nineteen

984
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 10: case is a pinnacle of what we should be doing

985
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 10: with getting different types of data, getting a wide spectrum

986
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 10: of people that all experience the same series of events.

987
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 10: It is a powerful case, and I have done all

988
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 10: the damn leg work, and other people now can jump

989
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 10: in and do some of that. I provided it on

990
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 10: a silver platter. I've got other cases I'm working on.

991
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 10: If people dug into that, they would have an unparalleled case.

992
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 10: That case is so important. This is the night vision

993
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 10: one has night vision. It was thermal, it was radar,

994
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 10: and it was deck footage, and it was ten warships

995
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen swarm by over one hundred UFOs simultaneously

996
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 10: coming from the west, and there's nothing out there but Hawaii.

997
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 10: They don't know where they came from, they don't know

998
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 10: where they went. They were trans medium have helicopter pilots

999
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 10: that saw them go into the water. You got people

1000
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 10: that fought the ships that literally came on and gave

1001
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 10: me their audio on my podcast telling what they experienced.

1002
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 10: That case is profound, and our government says we still

1003
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 10: don't know who operated those devices, those units as they

1004
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 10: call them UAP.

1005
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: That's a big one.

1006
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 4: It's a big one.

1007
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: And the skeptics would say that it was a bouquet

1008
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: or something in the lens.

1009
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 4: Well, again, I love skeptics. You're talking about debunkers.

1010
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess you would say a debunker and that

1011
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: and that defunkers.

1012
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't listen to what yeah, i'd say,

1013
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 4: because they're.

1014
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just seen both sides of the story and

1015
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: i've kind of but to me, having looked at it,

1016
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: i've seen that video one visually, it also is just

1017
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: to me instantaneously compelling.

1018
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 10: So that's the green triangle looking footage. Yes, by angle

1019
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 10: of observation. Who's green? So triangle by angle of observation.

1020
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 10: So what is a four dimensional triangle? Well, that would

1021
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 10: be probably a pyramid. Now when I said, oh, yeah,

1022
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 10: they were reported as pyramid in shape, I didn't pull

1023
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 10: that out of thin air. Right now, I can't put

1024
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 10: out everything that comes my way, but I will tell

1025
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 10: you on record that is in classified documents that there's

1026
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 10: other sensor systems that they had and they were pyramid

1027
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 10: and shape and there you go. But people can take

1028
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 10: a piece of this cup and tear it off and

1029
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 10: put it to the side and then hide the rest

1030
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 10: of the cup and be like, see it's not a cup. Yeah,

1031
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 10: but that's a piece of a cup. That's what they're

1032
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 10: doing intentionally. I'm telling people, if you look at the

1033
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 10: totality of the twenty nineteen storm events, which is an

1034
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 10: example of these swarms that are occurring all around the

1035
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 10: world to this day, and I have other cases of it,

1036
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 10: and I've said one before and it was off the

1037
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 10: coast of Japan. I did that on want With podcast.

1038
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 10: People should dig into that. There have been so many

1039
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 10: and I have so many first ten witnesses, some of

1040
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 10: whom are leaving military now and will come forward with

1041
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 10: telling exactly what they need about it. But everything happens

1042
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 10: on its own time. With that, I can't control that

1043
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 10: absolutely case.

1044
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: It's a huge decision that they're making too if if

1045
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: they're leaving.

1046
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 10: Because we see what happens to people that raise their head.

1047
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 10: Davidsh you just try to king call. Yeah, but he's

1048
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 10: a tough motherfucker.

1049
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say. David Grush is also really well spoken.

1050
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I think and just articulate. So, you know, regardless of

1051
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, if what he's saying is true or not, Damn,

1052
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: they got a good person saying it.

1053
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're real, right, were We're lucky to have somebody

1054
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 10: like David Grush. There's articulate. David Grush is fastidious. He

1055
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 10: is also has an incredible memory. He is well oriented

1056
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 10: to be in the roles that he was in, which

1057
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 10: was you know, national security intelligence. Uh, you know, he

1058
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 10: was a high ranking intelligence officer, career guy. He's the

1059
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 10: kind of guy you want protecting America. He's the kind

1060
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 10: of guy that was in a position to know and

1061
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 10: see these black programs. He's the guy that uncovered with

1062
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 10: you know, dozens of witnesses these UFO or non human

1063
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 10: intelligence craft being reverse engineered, that kind of thing. And

1064
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 10: then he pushed over those sources, like he says, up

1065
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 10: to forty and he put them over to another investigation

1066
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 10: into the ic IG intelligence community inspector general like the

1067
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 10: police of the intelligence community. They then did their own investigation,

1068
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 10: found it to be both credible and urgent, and obviously

1069
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 10: found what he said to be not only credible and urgent,

1070
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 10: but relevant and not a lie. So really, we're lucky

1071
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 10: to have David Greesh having come forward to the degree

1072
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 10: he has. There's more he could do, but he has

1073
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 10: to bide by the law. Does not want to hurt

1074
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 10: the United States of America, So how do you do it?

1075
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 10: And he's trying to do it the right way, you know. Famously,

1076
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 10: if you're in intelligence, you have to assume you're being

1077
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 10: lied to, you know, by people in intelligence, Like our

1078
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 10: government hasn completely tried to keep this on the d

1079
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 10: L and I get that for some time for good reason.

1080
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 10: But we're past that now. So I'm really hoping that

1081
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 10: the new Director of Varro makes a point to be

1082
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 10: honest with the American public because the truth will be

1083
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 10: told eventually. And I know that because people have gone

1084
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 10: to the IC, I G. This cops of the intelligence agencies,

1085
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 10: and they have presented what they know and it is undeniable.

1086
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 10: So now it's just a matter of falling up on it.

1087
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 10: So the truth will come out. And if you're going

1088
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 10: to be remembered in history, because you've got the hubris

1089
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Speaker 10: and the little you know, coat pins, and you want

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Speaker 10: to be remembered in history, don't fucking lie.

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Speaker 4: How about that start there? Honest with the American public.

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Speaker 10: I just know that certain truths will come out easy

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Speaker 10: way or hard way, and I am all down for

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Speaker 10: the hard way, and so are other people. It ain't pretty, though,

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 10: it would be nice if it came out in a

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Speaker 10: controlled way where this disclosure process is when we can

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01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 10: get to a point where we point the finger at

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Speaker 10: each other and being like, we can have difference of opinion,

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01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 10: but when we're all in it together, we have some

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 10: consensus that this is worthy of us looking at You're

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 10: gonna see that completely unravel. You're gonna see I mean,

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Speaker 10: I'm not a predictive person. I don't know when my

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 10: coffee pot's going off. But I imagine that if we

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Speaker 10: stop this kind of weird infighting and just try to

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Speaker 10: look at the truth together, it will be abundantly clear

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Speaker 10: that there's there's a true mystery here and we could

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Speaker 10: benefit from looking at it together. We've been ignoring it

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Speaker 10: for quite some time. We've been that guy, you know,

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Speaker 10: on the corner of the table, sitting dying it. Really yeah,

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Speaker 10: going along with everybody, you know, what's easier to feel

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Speaker 10: like we do know everything. But that's always never been true.

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Speaker 10: That's never why is it true? Now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: it isn't yeah right, I don't. I think that's a

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Speaker 10: weird burden, Like I am wrong more than I'm right right.

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Speaker 4: But the thing is, see.

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Speaker 1: That's how I know that you're is if you've ever

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01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: been wrong, yeah, or unless you're always right, then have

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Speaker 1: you ever had that moment where you're like, you're a

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01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: kid right and you fucking you like fight for somebody

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Speaker 1: like I know for sure they said left and not right,

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Speaker 1: and then you just get a complete like you were

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Speaker 1: totally wrong.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever had that experience? Y?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Did you learn from that?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't ever want to feel that way again.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I learned that.

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Speaker 10: Holy shit, I got a triple check things quadrup will

1130
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 10: check them. Because we are all flawed, we have a

1131
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 10: chance to be wrong absolutely, So you always put that

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01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 10: in front of the mind.

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01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you gotta check yourself.

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Speaker 10: Always and have other people do it for you to

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Speaker 10: help you.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy gets so much hate on Reddit and on Twitter

1137
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: that he's a grifter, that he's just saying stuff and

1138
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: he's believing stuff that people tell him. Bro, this is

1139
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: one of the most sincere dudes I've ever talked to

1140
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: and he's not tricking anyone.

1141
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: He believes us.

1142
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: People come to him with information that they trust him

1143
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Speaker 3: with and he keeps them anonymous, and he doesn't put

1144
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: it out right away and he might sit on stuff

1145
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: that he's known about forever. The UFO people are turning

1146
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: against him and like, oh, he's just a dude, saying

1147
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 3: like next time, But like, no, this guy wants all

1148
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: the same stuff we want. He wants disclosure, He wants

1149
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: this stuff to come out. He wants he wants to

1150
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: out every source that's ever came to him, but he can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the business of furthering this.

1152
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: You have to gain trust and to keep trust, and

1153
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: to keep other sources coming to you anonymously. You have

1154
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 3: to respect the current ones you have right now. And

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: he does that and he's very sincere.

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and like I I asked him

1157
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: hard questions, normal hard questions.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: If I were to say hey, X y Z, and

1160
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: you're like, holy shit, that sounds unbelievable. You know, you'd

1161
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: be like to tell me more, or what do you

1162
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: mean or how do you know? And I was asking

1163
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: those kind of questions, and I feel like, you know,

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01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: those are questions that are probably annoying, but he also

1165
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: knows the value of those questions. And I had never

1166
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: in it at all. Was trying to, you know, catch

1167
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: him in something. I wanted him to take the time

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: to explain one more detail that might be like, and

1169
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: I was looking for myself. I was like, if I'm

1170
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: a little bit skeptical, help me get there. I believe you,

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01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: but I'm also you know, if it's I deal with

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01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: true crime, you know, and that comes down to the

1173
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: court of law sometimes right facts evidence, you know, statements,

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01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: witness testimony, shit that you can present to a jury

1175
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: to make your argument.

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Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that we were able to have

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Speaker 2: that kind of conversation.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he had only great answers, because that's who

1179
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: he is. He's not bullshitting. It's a it's a weird

1180
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: topic because you know, we don't know where this is

1181
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: going to go. But every time I get lost in

1182
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: it again and I'm like, god, man, like, if it

1183
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: was real, we would just know by now. I think

1184
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: of the exact opposite. For a second, I go, Man,

1185
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: if it wasn't real, Man, wouldn't this.

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01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: Just be over by now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: I like, think about all.

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Speaker 1: The things that we proved to be wrong, there's a lot, Yeah,

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01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, how is this one

1191
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: still so persistent? For as much as we know, it's

1192
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: almost like the ideas only become more likely and more possible.

1193
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Speaker 1: And that's maddening to think about, especially if it weren't true.

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: What does it even say about us as humans? If

1195
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: if we were just imagining all this shit at this point,

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: or what is it that we're experiencing that we're filling

1197
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: all these gaps for? I think that becomes a crazier

1198
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: concept than there being something beyond this earth, whatever that

1199
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: means in existence, that is more intelligent and it has

1200
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: been here for longer. We love making this show, and

1201
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: we love making these roundtable episodes, and I swear to

1202
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: God every every week we have been reminding ourselves we

1203
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: need to go make a roundtable right now, just like

1204
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: just just to do it and have faith in us,

1205
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: because we have been hard at work on investigating news

1206
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: stories for the second season and it's actually finally shaping

1207
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 1: up and it's it's becoming a thing.

1208
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie what This might be my favorite

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01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: thing to do.

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Speaker 2: You're so good at it. It's good. It's good. Hey,

1211
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: look he said it. Keep this part in.

1212
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: We most certainly have plans to make a second season

1213
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: of High Straine, So I'll just go ahead and officially

1214
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Speaker 1: say that I don't have a timeline for you yet,

1215
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: but I can tell you that we've already been working

1216
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: on it. We never really put it down. Since we stopped.

1217
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: It almost seemed like High Strained Season one broke the

1218
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: broke the seal for us and kind of kicked down

1219
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: the door for some of the people we've wanted to

1220
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: talk to since day one anyway, and the conversation is evolving.

1221
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Speaker 1: And I always looked at High Strained Season one as

1222
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: a sort of a baby step to this concept, even

1223
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: for myself, just to sort of put it all wrapped

1224
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: up in a bow and let's just talk about what

1225
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: the hell is going on? And I feel like if

1226
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: you were riding with me the whole time in season one,

1227
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that we're probably in a similar spot. No matter where

1228
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: you land, that there's something going on right.

1229
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: You can't deny it.

1230
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: And so the conversation's not dead, it's only more alive

1231
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: than ever. And I had a thought that conceptually for

1232
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 1: Highest Trained Season two, a lot of people have emailed

1233
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: me and they've said stuff like, you know, is this

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Speaker 1: just like an American thing?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: All the stories we covered were mostly American stories, besides

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Speaker 1: the Renulstrum incident, which was the American military but happened

1238
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Speaker 1: in the UK. But I can really see how just

1239
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Speaker 1: the the folklore around UFOs Area fifty one, you know,

1240
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: the US government's flying saucers, a lot of that stems

1241
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Speaker 1: from American pop culture.

1242
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Speaker 2: Right.

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: But the crazy thing is, and I've learned this even

1244
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: more since the season ended, is that it's a legitimate

1245
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: worldwide thing.

1246
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's happening in every.

1247
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: Single fucking country you can think of. And I think

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: a lot of those stories to me almost hold more

1249
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 1: weight because it just goes against the pop culture hoax

1250
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: sort of concept that we lean into when it seems

1251
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: too good to be true. Here and please please go

1252
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: check out Talking to Death, my weekly show.

1253
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: We all three work on this show.

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01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: Every interview that you hear on that show, we've all

1255
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: been in the fucking room and it's a fun array

1256
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: of people and we do talk about UFOs with people

1257
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: you would never expect us to.

1258
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So go check out Talking to Death right now.

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: My My true crime show, which is how it's all

1260
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: started up and Vanished is out and so we're doing

1261
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: these intros. In the beginning of the Talking to Death episode,

1262
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: we're breaking down that. So if you haven't heard Up

1263
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: and Vanished, go check that out. But yeah, we're coming back.

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01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: We never left you, we always loved you, and please,

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, talk to us. It's an EMAO like follow

1266
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: us on social media at High Strange, tell us what

1267
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: you think, and we may or may not respond.

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01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,520
Speaker 2: We'll post this jellyfish UFO video.

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Speaker 1: On the instagram, the High Strange Instagram.

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Speaker 2: It is. It is weird looking. It's like, I don't

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what it looks.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a traditional UFO in the way

1273
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: that you are probably imagining it.

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Speaker 2: It looks like some it looks like a jellyfish.

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01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: Well have you seen the peanut butter one?

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Speaker 2: What the peanut but the peanut butter? Is this a

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: is this a bad joke? Okay, what's the punch one? Yeah? Yeah,

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01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait. When does it get funny?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the peanut butter in a jellyfish incident.

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Speaker 2: Oh my peanut butter. Wow, this is how this is.

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01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: We went too long. You know, we talked for too long.

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Speaker 1: We have fried our brains everybody, but no, in all seriousness,

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: thank you for being patient with us. We love you, guys,

1284
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: and we will see you very soon. Go check out

1285
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: Talking to Death. The Jeremy Corbell interview is all about

1286
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: UFOs and I know you'll love it.

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01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: Thanks, Thank you for being a friend.

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 6: Thanks, go to spaceship Space, Big White.

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Speaker 12: Lets you name a habitat and smoke a need A

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Speaker 12: weed player did take a lean sheeping on g is

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Speaker 12: a bean bag.

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Speaker 2: I've been going gene because a cool know she was

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Speaker 2: over pending up.

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Speaker 12: She'll been talking your Japan in the bends of the

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Speaker 12: very T shirt sleeve, udding up top turn of vert riding.

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Speaker 2: Then you gotta being down and saying the Pope. We

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Speaker 2: spend a die cop and John Knack and I helped

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Speaker 2: boom Nat of guys, we are not a devil.

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Speaker 1: High Strange is an eighth part series released weekly for

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: free every Thursday. But if you'd like to beinge the

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Speaker 1: whole series right now, you can subscribe to foot plus

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Speaker 1: Follow the show on TikTok and Instagram. At high Strange

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Speaker 1: and you can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay. If you have your own UFO story, email

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Speaker 1: us at tips at highstrange dot com. High Strange is

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Speaker 1: a production by Tenderfoot TV in association with Cadence thirteen, created,

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Speaker 1: hosted and edited by myself, Payne Lindsey Executive producers or

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Speaker 1: myself and Donald Albright. Editing by Mike Rooney, Cooper Skinner

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Speaker 1: and myself. Original score by Makeup and Vanity Set, Sound design,

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Speaker 1: mixing and mastering by Cooper Skinner. Additional production by Mike Rooney,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Harrington, Eric Quintana, Sean Nurney, Meredith Stedman, and Sidney Evans.

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Speaker 2: Our cover art is by Polygon.

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Speaker 1: This episode features the song space Cadet by metro Booman

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Speaker 1: featuring Gunna, written by Wesley Tyre Glass, Sergio Kitchens, Leland Tyler,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Alan Ritter and Jock Queeze Webster, performed by metro

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Speaker 1: Booman featuring Gunna courtesy of Republic Records under license from

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Speaker 1: Universal Music Enterprises for metro Booman in three hundred Entertainment

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Speaker 1: for Gunna Special Thanks to Orrin Rosenbaum in the Whole

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Speaker 1: Team at UTA the Nord Group, Station sixteen, Beck Media

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Speaker 1: and Marketing, as well as Chris Corcoran and the team

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Speaker 1: at Cadence thirteen. Check out the show's website at Highstrange

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Speaker 1: dot com and if you're enjoying the show, please help

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Speaker 1: us out by rating and reviewing the podcast and share

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Speaker 1: it with your friends. Thanks for listening. High Strange is

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Speaker 1: an eight part series. If you'd like to bene the

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