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Speaker 1: was so much fun. Man, Yanni, can you explain how

426
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: you want all that money off the Latvians? Mm hmmm.

427
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: I was deer hunting this weekend in Wisconsin, not far

428
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: from Worchester is now. I went for the open right now, Yeah,

429
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: these I didn't know that that's the same neck of

430
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: the woods there. Well, I mean, you know, what is

431
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: it two hours? Uh yeah, probably around too. I don't

432
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: know if it was like if you meant like right

433
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: there right, no, no, no, not in the same county

434
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: any who. Um, I got in late Friday. Opener was Saturday,

435
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: and uh we were getting ready to chip in for

436
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: the buckpool. How many Latvians were there? They're all at

437
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: vans and I think we had a total of ten three.

438
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: It was light. It was actually light on honest. I

439
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the ratio normally is

440
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: the percentage. I guess six out of ten labs, so

441
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: it's a little like males. It was. It was all

442
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: all males. Any who. Uh so we're chipping in and

443
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: it had been ten dollars all these years. I've been

444
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: hunting there since ninety I believe it was my first

445
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: year that I went. In the first two years, I

446
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: think I just went and observed I believe so so

447
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: no inflation adjustments and probably back then it probably stung. Yeah,

448
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know how much

449
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: a nice Well, let me look up. Then spectacle side decided,

450
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: I asked if anybody everybody want to make a little

451
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: more interesting and bump it up to twenty pieces year.

452
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: Everybody uh obliged and dropped in twenty into the basket,

453
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: and uh so we went hunting and I got lucky.

454
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm really a little side story. I'm really stoked about

455
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: my hunt this weekend and my hunt two weeks ago

456
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: there on the same property, because I feel like I

457
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: figured it out, like I hunted there for thirty years

458
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: or twenty eight years, and really just you know, I

459
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: kind of knew it, but didn't really know what the

460
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: deer were doing there. Had ideas and go ahead, Steve,

461
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: ten dollars. That's that's the bump. I keep ahead of

462
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: the trend. Go a little more and maybe we'll round

463
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: it up at twenty five and then that'll roll for

464
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: another ten There you go. Sorry, um, but anyways, I

465
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: had to really successful, uh pretty quick hunts really because

466
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: I was there two weeks ago for the rut with

467
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: my bow and I sat in the stand approximately seven

468
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: hours and killed the same like basics like same property, yeah,

469
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: same property probably, I mean as the crow flies from

470
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: one stand to the other five or six hundred yards, um,

471
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: but kind of down this complicated ridge system, you know.

472
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: And uh so I felt like I picked a good spot,

473
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: killed a buck with my bow, and then when I

474
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: came back, I thought, man, I could go and sit

475
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: that same oak flat. I know it's gonna be good.

476
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: There's been pictures of box, you know, rolling through. But

477
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, don't like rest on your laurels,

478
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: like go and figure something else out, go and learn

479
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: something like expand your horizons. And I had like planned

480
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: B and C already sort of set up that I

481
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: eventually would check out. So I thought, this is it.

482
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: So I went to be got in there, and sure enough,

483
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: opening morning, it's pretty sweet little hunt. I get in there,

484
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: plenty of time to get you know, I'm hunting out

485
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: of the saddle, so it takes longer to get into

486
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the tree, right. It takes me an hour to get

487
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: in I get all set up, it's maybe half an

488
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: hour before shooting light. I'm still messing around, just like

489
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: filling with like the last little kind of fine tune

490
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, making sure I got my gloves in my

491
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: hand warmers in the right spots. Or whatever and get

492
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee up in that tree. Um it's

493
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: in a thermis, just in my backpack. Um, I'm always

494
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: posting pictures of my coffee because I put cream in

495
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: my coffee. And by golly, I guess you're just a

496
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: real little bit according to Instagram right now as far

497
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: as I've been starting that just draws in the big

498
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: box play. Newcomb says that if he had to choose

499
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: between the coffee or the cream, he'd go with the cream.

500
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: He puts coffee into his cream, not vice versa. Interesting

501
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: is a sugar guy too. We after that, ever, spend

502
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: that week with Evan Hey for up in Alaska. I'm

503
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: like almost weaned off of cream because he cream shamed people.

504
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: He did, but I enjoyed. Samantha notice that she's like

505
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: after he started ship talking cream people, cream cream consumption

506
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: in our camp ended like ended, and I like, I like,

507
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were doing the same thing. I'd

508
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: sneak over and put a little cream in when I

509
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: was started. Uh, he says, with with coffee, you don't

510
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: need cream, and so I was like, all right, well

511
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: let's give a shot. And yeah, my my wife coffee

512
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: in hair cream as well. It's a real road block

513
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: in that relationship. It's probably it's good. There we are there,

514
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: I am, and uh, I still have my head lamp on,

515
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: and I hear coming around the corner, still with your

516
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: head lamp. Yeah. So it's like six I think it

517
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: was roughly six fifteen, six ten maybe, you know. And

518
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: so I click it off real quick, and I mean

519
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: it's like on top of me. So I get my

520
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: little binoculars out and I'm pretty much trying to like

521
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: look in the night, you know, for for for this deer,

522
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: and sure enough I can find it, and I can

523
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: just in the darkness see the white antlers. I'm like,

524
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: only sh it, you know, nice buck. But I'm like, well, hell,

525
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: this thing's not gonna be here in twenty minutes, you know,

526
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: like like that's pretty much going by, like just forget

527
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: about it. But I watched him for a second as

528
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: he walks by. So I continue on with my stuff

529
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: now without my head lamp on, and I'm messing around.

530
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Five minutes goes by, and just at the ridge I

531
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: hear no. I'm like, huh so a glass up there,

532
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: And I find him again and he's only gone like

533
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yards. So I'm watching him a little bit

534
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: and i can tell he's feeding. You know, they're the

535
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: acorns were thick. I talked to some of the neighbors

536
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: that have actual food plots, like the like the bottoms

537
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: of the ridges, and they're like, the deer have not

538
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: been in the corn and the beans nothing. They're on

539
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: the ridge tops eating acorns and it's been like that

540
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: all summer. Uh, So that's what this deer. So he's

541
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: up there grunting and eating. Well, so as I'm glass

542
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: would for the episode, I see there's another deer behind him.

543
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell what it is, but I'm guessing maybe

544
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: dough and he's tending her. Right. So now I'm like,

545
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: what time was shooting white? You know, you got somebody

546
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: was talking about it last night, but I wasn't really

547
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: painted exactly. Now I'm in a position where it really

548
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: matters when exactly. So I'm like trying to pull out

549
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: my phone and shah shielded something. It's not casting a

550
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: big light, and I go to like three different apps

551
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, once at six four, one, six three,

552
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm going six thirty three, you know, because

553
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: because this morning, I will be the first shot that

554
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: rings out, just quick, just to be like a guy.

555
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: The state list their own. Yes, they don't go by

556
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: all the different as I know, And I could have

557
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: probably pulled up the rags on a PDF and then

558
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: done the little chart thing where you had twelve minutes

559
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And uh so I decided I'm going with

560
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: six thirty three. That seems like a good number. So

561
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm watching it and he's still there. He's still there.

562
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Six thirty three comes. I'm like, okay, you know, next opportunity. Well,

563
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I start looking through the scope and it's still just

564
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: way too dark, even though he's only at like seventy

565
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: maybe eighty yards. There's some brush like I hadn't really

566
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: cut this place out really good, and I can see

567
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: a body and his auntlers. But I'm like, I can't

568
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: be sure, so I'm like, just be patient, hopefully it

569
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: will happen. He's kind of looked like he's now going left,

570
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: which he's gonna move into a more open zone on

571
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: this ridge top. Well, as I'm watching him, I look

572
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: over to my left against the same path he came. Nope,

573
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: another buck, so I look I look over at him

574
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him for a seconds, a little bit

575
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: smaller I think than the one that went by me,

576
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: and watching him, I was not look back up to

577
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: where the other buck was, and I just see a

578
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: tail going out down the ridge through the woods, white,

579
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: you know, whitetail his the rear end. I'm like, dang it,

580
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: you know what happened. I know my winds solid, but

581
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: maybe that buck spooked that buck or whatever. And you know,

582
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: stuff's happening fast now because it's you know, I'm like,

583
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm ready to kill this buck if I get the opportunity. Well,

584
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: I look back up again, and now here's a doge

585
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: coming back down the ridge towards me, and the little

586
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: buck that's next to me now sort of goes to

587
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: start trying to cut her off. Right, are gonna meet,

588
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: like just off the edge of the ridge. Well, that

589
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: guy made the little buck makes it halfway to the dough,

590
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: and all of sudden I look up again and here

591
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: comes the bigger buck, just ears pinned back, like not

592
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: running but marching. You know, they kind of pick up

593
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: their front legs a little bit more than really stopping it.

594
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: Just run him off. I don't know, I don't know,

595
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: if it was a different dough. You know, it's just

596
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. It was early light. But he

597
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: came back, he came back, He came back in cut

598
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: the little buck off. The little buck coward immediately kind

599
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: of turned, and then the bigger buck put his antlers

600
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: down and kind of ran him and just happened to

601
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: run him like literally under my tree stand and so

602
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, without shooting my toe off,

603
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: I shot him. And uh yeah, I mean it was like,

604
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, the earliest by far I think I've ever

605
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: shot an animal. I mean it was that little buck

606
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: come back, I'll triumphant. Oh he was shoulder and he

607
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: was just standing there watching his body go down the

608
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: hill and crashing away, and the and the does behind

609
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: him too, and he's just like yeah, he's like, that's right,

610
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: messing the bull get the horn, that's the fire, you

611
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: get burnt. So yeah, my hunt ended pretty quick. I

612
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: actually stayed in the tree for a while just to

613
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: enjoy the morning, and shot a dough like twenty minutes later.

614
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: So you like to like, of all the Latvians who

615
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: hunt the Lavian place, you gotta have more bucks, you

616
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: gotta have bigger bucks. And needles Latvians have ever gotten

617
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: because that that place wasn't known as a big buck producer. No,

618
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've said it before. I mean

619
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: there was maybe over the years, you know, a handful

620
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: of you know, one forties killed. But my two bucks

621
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: is here, aren't that big? I mean there's been a

622
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: bigger bucks killed. But I had a good year anyways,

623
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: that wins me. The big buck pool should have been

624
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: for something for what why would it be if they

625
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: had adjusted for inflation? Bucks? Right? Oh yeah, you gonna

626
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: do my math? Yeah, it would only would add fifty

627
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: ill No, no, how much did you win? I went

628
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: so double two? Oh, let's go through the exercise. No, no,

629
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: we already did it. Remember we I adjusted for inflation

630
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: by going twenty. You did adjust. So these guys were

631
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of pissed at me because they forgot about that

632
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: part of the story. Yeah that's right. You pushed for

633
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: a higher fee and then one and it looks suspicious.

634
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but all that out they make it look

635
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: like I was paying better attention. To wrap it all up,

636
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: When you're the winner of the big buck Pool, you

637
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: don't really get all the money of the big buck Pool.

638
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Because there's a tradition there where they like to take

639
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: a nice bottle, usually Scotch, because the guys there that

640
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: like to drink I like to drink Scotch. I personally

641
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: might switch it up, but I didn't this year because

642
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I was given sort of like a press, a congratulatory

643
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: present for having successful sheep hunt by another one of

644
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: the hunters, and as sort of a I don't know,

645
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: like congratulations, he gave me a nice scotsh bottle, and

646
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: so I didn't have to go into town and come back.

647
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I just I just used that. Everybody signs it, regifted

648
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: the scots bottle I did. I ran it by everybody.

649
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, the guy that gave to me, he's

650
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be pissed for doing this, right, nobody's seen

651
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: to give a shit. So but everybody signs it, and

652
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, you can make a little note, you know,

653
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: where you shot the big buck or whatever, and that

654
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: way next year. Oh and the funny thing is too,

655
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: We're at like this Latinan church camp, right, and it's

656
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: in the wall. This bottle just lives in this wall

657
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: behind like a twelve by twelve inch piece of plywood,

658
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: and that piece of plywood has been there for since

659
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: the building was built. I don't know what ducked because

660
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: it's a circular hole, the square piece of what over it.

661
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: Those summer camp kids never find it and get drunk,

662
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet, or they just respect it. Maybe

663
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: it's been told to them that it's hands off so anywhere. Yeah.

664
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: So I I went in there this year without the

665
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: bottle from last year, and then put in the new

666
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: bottle and hopefully I'll be back next year. Jani's petitioning

667
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: to UM. Traditionally it's been a man only, was it

668
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: like stated or that's just how it's been, you know,

669
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: I dug into it a little bit. So funny how

670
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: people's you know, ideas and perceptions change because my dad specifically,

671
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: I remember one year, you know, a woman had been

672
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: invited and showed up and he was very like, kind

673
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: of mad about it, right, but it was most There

674
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: was some other things going on, but that was part

675
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: of it. Now he's got granddaughters. Yeah, but there's also

676
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: there's a there's a deceased hunter that was there, and

677
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: I guess he was really of the mind frame of like,

678
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: this is a man's camp where men get to get

679
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: away and do men type stuff and it's just not

680
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, like women can do their own personal little

681
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: whatever rose whatever is. Yeah, but he's not around anymore,

682
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully he won't. You know, I don't think he'll

683
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: turn over in his grave with my girls show up,

684
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: so they might look, you might be you might usher in,

685
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: you might usher in some women into the camp. Yeah,

686
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I was thinking about how those girls

687
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: come and win all that money eight and ten. Man,

688
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're just talking about with Brandon to like

689
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: sitting around in a tree stand when you're not used

690
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: to it, like my girls are used to Western hunting.

691
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: We just go on big, long hikes until we see

692
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: some games, final stuff laying on the ground and yeah,

693
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: you don't just go to one spot and then someone

694
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: tells you, now, just enjoy the owls and the you

695
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: know that fly around and the squirrels. They're gonna be

696
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: jumping around. You gotta pick a spot where they can

697
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: where you can slip out, have them be like what's

698
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the first hours? A lot of fun. At the end

699
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: of the first hour, slip them out, let them go

700
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: about their business, and then you come back up and

701
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: do the keep hunting. Midday hunt, or a good idea,

702
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: do the two hour evening hunt. Anybody's good for a

703
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: couple of hours. I think I got some work to

704
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: do though. Me that's a lot of double stands I

705
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: need to set. When I when I was little man,

706
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: my dad would hang, I'm not kidding. He had his

707
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: tree stand and at a time he had three other

708
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: stands above his, and we'd go up and sitting those

709
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: stands above. Yeah, like freaking raccoons up in the tree.

710
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean. But again, you know, anyone wants to like

711
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: I thought that just an evening hunt was like a decade,

712
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: for like a decade being in that tree. Here's here's

713
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: like some kind of distressing news, bad news. This is

714
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna be like a bad news sandwich. It's like good

715
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: stuff and then like bad news, and then we'll have

716
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: more good stuff. But so Washington State, this year the

717
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: spring bear season got canceled. One might be like, well,

718
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: how the hell could that happen? It's like this, this

719
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: is the way this is. Well, we're gonna couple it

720
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: with another thing. I will now lay out for you

721
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: why the two party system as we know it in

722
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: this country inevitably uh screws hunters. And anglers give you

723
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: little groundwork first. Okay, you look so okay. Under the

724
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Trump administration, he did all kinds of good stuff for

725
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: access issues. He like overturned Alaska, you know, like the

726
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Obama administration had taken away Alaska's ability to use certain

727
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: management tools, um, certain predator management tools like the on refuges.

728
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: So under Obama, like like Alaska lost ont of their landscape.

729
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: They had the FEDS come in and say, like, you

730
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: can't do certain things that we think are naughty if

731
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: it's on a on a refuge. And Trump went back

732
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: and fixed that. So that was great. Trump did a

733
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: bunch of great access stuff. Okay, he took um you know,

734
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: even stuff stuff like like fish hatcheries that had been

735
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: closed to fishing or fish hatchery landscapes they opened about

736
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: the hunting, they made wildlife refugees kind of like simplify

737
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: and expand hunting opportunities. And a lot of great stuff

738
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: for like the protection of hunting culture. But he also

739
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: had a lot of great stuff for industry, and at

740
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: times industry is at odds with hunting and fishing habitat.

741
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: So you're looking like in Tongas National Forest, I have

742
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: a cabinet there, So I have a particular bias towards

743
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: that area. Tongas National Forest, Coastal Rainforest, Old Girls Rainforest.

744
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: There was a rule in place that was protecting like

745
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: everything that doesn't have a road. There was a rule

746
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: in place that protected the status quo. I mean, they

747
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: were gonna build any more roads in Targas, so not

748
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: closed old roads. If there's no road, we're not gonna

749
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: make a road. Trump opened it up that they like

750
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: remove that protection. It opened up the possibility of building

751
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: more roads into old growth coastal rainforest. The reason you

752
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: build more roads and the old growth coastal rainforest is

753
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: to cut down the old growth coastal rainforest. Like the

754
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: road building and the cut and go hand in hand. Um.

755
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: So it was like, here's this guy that really protects hunters,

756
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: protects access, protects hunters rights, protects gun rights. But then

757
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: you know kind of like hits you where it counts

758
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: a little bit on habitat issues. So that's that's like

759
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of the give and take here you have at Washington.

760
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: The governor appoints uh game commissioners. Okay, the state is

761
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: supposed to have nine game commissioners, and the way it

762
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: works is it's kind of spread around. You get basically

763
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: three from the west side of the state can follow

764
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: along print for when I screw this up. Three from

765
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: the west side of the state, those are probably gonna

766
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: be Those are just probably gonna be like liberal urban nights.

767
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: They have to point three commissioners from the east side

768
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: of the state, which are probably gonna lean more conservative

769
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: and be more pro hunting, okay, And then there's three

770
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: sort of at large. Is that you can get anywhere,

771
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: and it's like like the Supreme Court, there's nine in

772
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: order to have a tiebreaker. But the governor hasn't promoted,

773
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: he hasn't appointed a new commissioner, so they only have eight.

774
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: The commissioner he hasn't appointed as a commissioner from the

775
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: east side of the state, where people are going to

776
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: be more kind of grow up around wildlife and understand

777
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: hunting better and not view it like a thing that's

778
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: only to be looked out a window. At So the

779
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Fish and Game Agency comes out with some studies about

780
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: bears and they have a thriving, expanding, healthy population of bears.

781
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: You're like, we can have a spring hunt, no problem continued.

782
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: Businesses usually have a spring hunt. People are saying, well,

783
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: what if they you to female with cubs in the spring? Well,

784
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: let's take a look last year, sorry, this year, the

785
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: past spring, we just had spring season. They issued six

786
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: D black bear permits. Okay, of those six hundred sixty

787
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: permits they issued, they had one forty five successful bear hunters.

788
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: So on bears get killed in Washington. Let me throw

789
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: one at your seth. How many of those bears? D

790
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: big number? How many were lactating female? Seth? Take a guess. Well,

791
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: I can see you right here with Okay, let's do this.

792
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: Let's do this. Let's say you hadn't seen that when

793
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I was reading that sentence and my mind was gonna

794
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: be quarter. Maybe if I had, like, I would have

795
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: been like, ten wouldn't shock me, nor would it dissuade

796
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: me from supporting spring bears season. I probably would have

797
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: went less than ten, just because it's the same in Montana.

798
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: You can't in the spring. You can't kill a saladass cubs.

799
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: And oftentimes you sit there and watch a bear for

800
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: a while to make sure it has it doesn't have cubs.

801
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: But some people don't do that, and also they I've

802
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: watched I've watched sows feeding out an avalanche slide, and

803
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: I've watched them hide their cubs in the willows on

804
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: the side of the avalanche slide and go out and

805
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: feed the avalanche side for five minutes. And I noticed.

806
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: I watched her, and I know she's got cubs in

807
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: the willows on the side of the avalanche slide. But

808
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: you could sat there and been like, watched her for

809
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: five minutes. So it happens. But it's like a lot

810
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: of stuff happens. I mean, bears practice and fantaside, like

811
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: boars kill cubs. You don't want to abolish boars. Yep.

812
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: One Sethord, he gave it away. Kind of ruined my

813
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: I didn't give it away. I just told you I

814
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: knew the answer. Oh you didn't say what the answer was.

815
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: It's one, yeah, smits hunt bears get killed and one

816
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: they killed one all they determined it was a lactating female.

817
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Quite possible they were the cubs already dead. Should have

818
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: been a lactating female no matter what. Her cubs could

819
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: have died a month ago. Yeah, that hunter could have

820
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: sat there and stared that Salford two hours might not violate.

821
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: He might not have violated a law. She might not

822
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: have been a company by cubs because the boar might

823
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: have already eaten her cups. So if you watch the

824
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: YouTube video that came out that they got there, you

825
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: can go watch the whole commissioner meeting. In the meeting,

826
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: they clarify it's not biology. They clarify its social pressure.

827
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: We've been alert like we've been Krian had this long

828
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: exchange of someone. We've been alerted that like like a

829
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: commissioner from Washington or Fish and Game official from Washington

830
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: saying like, what's going on in Washington is very bad

831
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: for hunters and anglers. Where they're appointing commission they're appointing

832
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: game commissioners who are antagonistic to hunting, like a fox

833
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: garden henhouse. Not good. Yeah, And you know this is

834
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: the thing, this is where this is where the two

835
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: party system sucks, because like I'm sorry, Republicans don't take

836
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: away your bear season, Nope, they just take away the habitat. Yeah.

837
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: And this person I spoke to was talking about the

838
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: difference between you know, conservation and concepts of preservation and

839
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: the Commission's you know, obviously not saying that they're anti hunting.

840
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: But that seems to be a little bit of the trends.

841
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: So you're kind of picking off the low hanging fruit.

842
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: So folks who maybe bear hunters, there's a smaller population

843
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: among them among the general hunting population, and so may

844
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: be fewer people would turn out to say a thing

845
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: about this, And so it's like you're just starting to

846
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: pick off what's kind of the obvious. It's, dude, it's

847
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: the whole slippery slope thing, and the slippery slope. There's

848
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: a slope and it's slippery, Like I'm a big slippery

849
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: slope guy. It's a slippery slope, it's pitched at a

850
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: steep angle, and it's covered in snot. It's just it's

851
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: it's so distressing, man, it's so distressing. Like there needs

852
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: to be a new well with me and Yanni ran

853
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: for president. That's what it was. I'm only talking about

854
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm only talking about single issue voters, of which I'm

855
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: mostly a single issue voter. I'm a single issue voter

856
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm like, interesting, what's good for hunting fishing?

857
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: So I want habitat protections and and like protect habitat,

858
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: protect hunting rights, protect firearm rights um and clean air,

859
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: clean water, real clean environment, that's all. Is that asking

860
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: too much? Nope, who wouldn't think so? Apparently, but yeah,

861
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: apparently it is. If you live in Washington, what you

862
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: need to do is get this ninth. You need to

863
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: get this ninth because you're never gonna have like the

864
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: in Washington, the big urban areas. You're never gonna catch

865
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: up to him. Like I remember Colorado lost trapping. I

866
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: remember going to this this little seminar at a National

867
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: Trappers Association convention. The guy was getting into Colorado demographics.

868
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: It was funny the second, like not the second, the minute, Uh,

869
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: Denver and Fort Collins had a population greater than Colorado.

870
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: Outside of those places at large, Bam lost trapping. So

871
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: if you live in Washington, you're culturally you're always gonna

872
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: get whooped because you have those huge population centers. They're

873
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: gonna be like, you shouldn't be able to do that

874
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: to bears. That's mean. I love my dog, you know,

875
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: it's like you're never going to beat them. Well, here's

876
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: the other thing. Remember what's the gentleman's name we had

877
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: on when we talked about trapping. Yeah, yeah, um, Mr

878
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: Mattneie yes, Mr Mattenie, Dad, Mike Mane, Mike Mattenie, Yeah,

879
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I remember him kind of drawing this analogy around, like

880
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: people having that idea like, oh, you can't do this

881
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: to the poor bear, the poor beaver. You shouldn't do

882
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: this to the poor mink um. But for example, with

883
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: furs being being a material that is completely renewable, and

884
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: all the people who are talking about saving the environment

885
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: are buying fleece made of plastic polluting the ocean. So

886
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: it's like the hypocrisy of and and like the limits

887
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: of your own kind of self reflection about what you're

888
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: champion but actually acting in opposition to that renewables. But

889
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: they don't like renewable bears or beavers. Uh. So you're like,

890
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: what do you do about this? While you guys gotta

891
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: get everybody's gotta have a big ship fit. That's for starters.

892
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: You gotta get a ninth commissioner appointed. Who's who is

893
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: a supporter of uh hunter conservationists. There's a guy, there's

894
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: a state representative in District eight, Matt, how do you

895
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: think he pronounced? This is the name Bonky bank b

896
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: o e h n k e state representative. He's uh

897
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: he's filing a joint resolution in December. This month, he's

898
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: filing a joint resolution for an amendment to the state

899
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: constitution that will add to the right to hunting and fish.

900
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: So most states have a right to hunting fish, but

901
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't have teeth. It's not clear. A

902
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we remember one state was doing like

903
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: the right to hunting fish. One of the recent ones

904
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: that passed it's right to hunting fish RESI Lution didn't

905
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: put trapping in the resolution because they wanted to have

906
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: better messaging. So when you do a state right to

907
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: hunt fish, you need to be like you need to

908
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: they need to have it has to have teeth that

909
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: would be like biologically sustainable populations and spell out like

910
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: what exactly it means, because this would be a great

911
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: case if you had a right to hunt fish that

912
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: had teeth to it. This would be a great case

913
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: for a lawsuit where you're saying, we have a sustainable

914
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: population of black bears that we've historically been allowed to hunt.

915
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: There's no biological evidence that it's that it's not sustainable,

916
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: but yet we're losing the right to hunting fishes. So

917
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna file. We're gonna sue under our thing as

918
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: a violation to the state constitution because you're taking away

919
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: a historic hunting right with no biological basis for it.

920
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,479
Speaker 1: But if you have the right to hunt and fish

921
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: in the constitution, would there be like very very specific

922
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: in particular details outlining how the right is to be.

923
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: That's problem with the state right to hunt, because people

924
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: will be like shoot and ship in the summer. You'd

925
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, it's my right, that's what I'm saying. Well,

926
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: we did remember when we remember years ago we went

927
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: to uh where were we in Ohio? Where the hell

928
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: were we? We went to visit the Sportsman's Alliance. Yeah,

929
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: and talked about these things, and it's like it's a

930
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: great gesture and it sort of measures because those things

931
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: usually pass with like overwhelming majorities. It's a great gesture.

932
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: But if you if it, if it doesn't like clearly

933
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: articulate certain parameters, it's hard to sue against. But I

934
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: think that they were I think that some people use

935
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: it in this state around wolves. I think anyways, you

936
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: need to have like a robust, well worded, clearly articulated

937
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: what it means so that it can then be used

938
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: to challenge in fractions to your rights. All right, hey,

939
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: and this with the Fishing report Book report all right,

940
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: the so the some one's kind of like close to

941
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: home and uh, I guess like, uh to check chet,

942
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of double dip because I used

943
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: this for the Bent podcast. No double dipping in contents, fine,

944
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: double dipping in finances, of which he is the new

945
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: co host. Everybody, Oh yeah, I introduced that, Hayden. Oh yeah.

946
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: So I co host a podcast with Joe Sormelli. It's

947
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: the Bent Fishing Podcast. And we talked about all things

948
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: kind of irreverend and fun and uh and fishing and

949
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: it's informative as it is entertaining and great. So y'all

950
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: ought to give it a listen. And this is a

951
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: double dip. This is a double dip. We're going to

952
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: talk about something that's going on right here in Montana

953
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: and that is a little problem that we have with

954
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: some lake trout in Flathead Lake. Uh. Flathead Lake, for

955
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: those that you don't know, is a giantly Is it

956
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: the biggest lake in the state. It's like two biggest naturally. Yeah,

957
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest natural lake in the in

958
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: the something another it's it's it's the look that up, Phil,

959
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: you're not doing anything over there. Oh, I'll lick it up.

960
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: It's the biggest something. It's a real big lake anything like. Yeah.

961
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: The so in this big gass lake straddles an important boundary,

962
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: and that's the boundary between state land and res land,

963
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: specifically the Flathead Reservation, which is home to the Confederated

964
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: Salish and the Sailors Sails largest freshwater lake west of

965
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: the Mississippi in the lower forty eight states. Told you

966
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: there you go. It's a big one. So the Confederated

967
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: Sailish and the Koote and I tribes, Sailors Kotey. I'm

968
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back and you can go and

969
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: do a third podcast. You know. That's how you know.

970
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: That's how you know I actually read it because I

971
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: didn't hear it. So that is good evidence that you

972
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: didn't just hear about this at the bar. Yeah. So anyway,

973
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: it's straddles this uh, this line between in the resident

974
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: state land, and that's important. We'll get to that later on. Um. So,

975
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: basically forever, Flathead Lake has been a stronghold for a

976
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: native species called the bull trout. Now, the bull trout

977
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: is a char and it's this real big, aggressive looking fish.

978
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a lake trout almost. Um.

979
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: And back in uh, we got to talk about some dates.

980
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: So back in nineteen o five, uh, the Montana you know,

981
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: fish and wildlife I guess of the time, decided that

982
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: they were going to drop a whole bunch of non

983
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: native species to like diversify like the fishing opportunity, because

984
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: why not, because why not? One of these was the

985
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: lake trout. Now, of those fish that you know they

986
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: dropped in, these are the only ones that kind of

987
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: like took hold. This was not a big well I

988
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: take exception with that the lake whitefish. The lake whitefish

989
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: is not native and is very prolific in that lake.

990
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: What's not predatory? M okay, So the lake whitefish in

991
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: the lake trout took hold. Uh. Now, this wasn't a

992
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: problem until like when, in order to like bolst the

993
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: cocony salmon stock another non native fish, they decided that

994
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: they would introduce mices shrimp in order to like give

995
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: them something to feed on. Now, the problem with that is,

996
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: like the cocony salmon didn't really like the mices shrimp,

997
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: and the Mices shrimp fed primarily on zooplankton, which is

998
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: what the cocony do like to eat. They fed on

999
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: them to the extent that they out competed the cocony

1000
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: and weren't any more cocony. And this is like bad

1001
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: aquarium management, horrible, And the fact that there aren't cocony

1002
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: in there is not important except that, uh now there

1003
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: were just a whole bunch of Mice's shrimp in here

1004
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: with no predator except for the lake trout. The lake

1005
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: trout the fry ate a ship ton of the mices shrimp,

1006
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: and because of that, their population exploded. The problem with

1007
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: that is mices shrimp can only sustain a lake trout

1008
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: to such a size, and then the lake trout has

1009
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: to go eat something else. So the lake trout started

1010
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: praying on native fish, particularly the bull trout. It became

1011
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: such a problem that in the mid nineties there were

1012
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: only like a thousand uh bull trout left. So this

1013
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: got identified as a major problem. And I think in

1014
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: when like all the bull trout protections really started, it

1015
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: became a threatened species like yes, a protection right yea. Um,

1016
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: So these tribes recognized this as a problem, and the

1017
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: state recognized it as a problem, and they got together

1018
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: and they were like, Okay, we need to like solve

1019
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: this somehow. The state it pushed really really hard for

1020
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: um like an angler based intervention in this whole situation,

1021
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: and they tried that for a while. The tribes instilled

1022
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: or installed what they call mac Day's mcinaw is another

1023
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: word for a lake trout um, and it was basically

1024
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: like a lake trout fishing derby. And in the first

1025
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: like year that they did this, I think the annual

1026
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: take was something like nine lake trout um. Recently, you're

1027
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 1: never going to catch him with rod and real Man,

1028
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: Well recently it's come to that that never gonna catch him.

1029
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: You're never gonna like get them all. You're never gonna

1030
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: dn it with Robb. In order to get all of them,

1031
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: you literally have to like poison the body of water

1032
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 1: and start over. You know, it's like not possible. So

1033
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: Montana Fish and Wildlife kind of my understanding of as

1034
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: they pushed back on this for a while and they

1035
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: were like, no, we really want this to be angler base.

1036
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: We really want this to be angler base. The tribe

1037
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall and eventually the state

1038
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: and the tribe kind of got together on this and

1039
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: they said, Okay, let's do something else. And now what

1040
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: you got going on is they've turned it into kind

1041
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: of a commercial fishery. Uh. They basically do a bunch

1042
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: of trawling and just netting and all sorts of stuff,

1043
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: and they're processing these lake trout and getting them out

1044
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: to restaurants and private buyers and all sorts of stuff.

1045
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: And it's actually made starting to make a measurable difference

1046
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: in the population. Now again, we've like talked about how

1047
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I guess I've kind of talked at you about how

1048
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: like you can't get all the lake trout out without

1049
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: poisoning them. Um. Their goal is not to do that.

1050
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: Their goal is to get the population down to about

1051
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: seventy or down seventy of what it is. And if

1052
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: they can accomplish that through this like commercial fishery they've developed,

1053
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: then they projected the bull trout will um recovery, which

1054
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: is a way better situation, and you wind up with

1055
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: another bull trout stronghold. And that's my book report. I'm

1056
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: looking at this note that says, uh, in two thousand twelve,

1057
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: they estimated that there are one point five million lake

1058
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: trout older than one year old. I know that, but

1059
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: they still have regulations on them, right, Like Brody was

1060
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: up fishing lakers, but they have like slot limits on

1061
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: them and stuff. We ought to call Brodie. Yeah, I'm

1062
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: not I'm I'm I'm honestly not too sure about that.

1063
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: He was up catching lakers right up there. But it's

1064
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: like you'd have to have a balance. Take all the

1065
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: big ones, leave the small ones, so they eat the

1066
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: micea shrimp, so that the misa stram don't eat all

1067
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: the zooplankton, so that the cocony have sounding to feed on.

1068
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: The cocon have already been like totally extirpated from there,

1069
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: and being a non native, I think it's kind of

1070
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: like a beside the point sort of thing. I don't

1071
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: think we're trying to I don't think like the management

1072
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: of the cocony fisheries really anything like that they're kind

1073
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: of going for in this. I think this is very

1074
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: much bull trout exclusive. Brody, you know when you were

1075
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: up on Flathead Lake fishing lakers. Yeah, was this some

1076
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of like a size limit or slot limit or

1077
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, you're not allowed to keep them

1078
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: between thirty and thirty six. I think it's what it is, dude,

1079
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, You think they'd want to pick

1080
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: breeders out of there if they're trying to reduce the population.

1081
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know, because you're allowed to keep a

1082
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: baunch of them. You know that. I don't know what

1083
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: the daily is, but a daily limit? All right? Talk

1084
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: later straight from Brody slot limit. I wish they would

1085
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: explain the why behind some of their regulations. That'd be

1086
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: a great book. You could get the second book you

1087
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: get the reg book, yeah, and the other that says why,

1088
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: because I always wonder, like you look at that kind

1089
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: of stuff and they promote this and say this, but

1090
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: then the regulation doesn't make sense. We had a we

1091
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: had a question about the why in a regulation one time,

1092
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: and it even said that I can't remember. I don't

1093
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: even I don't remember the rag. I don't remember the state.

1094
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: But they had said that like, as a rule, they

1095
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know it wasn't whylming, it's something whylming. As a rule,

1096
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: they don't archive the reasoning. Meaning when there's a proposed

1097
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: regulation change and people testify like for instance, this bear,

1098
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: like this this bear thing in Washington. I don't know

1099
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: if it's true in Washington, but this guy was saying

1100
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: in their state, you're gonna be like, do we have

1101
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: a spring bear hunter or not? The outcome is memorialized

1102
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: in the law, but they don't do anything to record there,

1103
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: Like well, why, yeah, I don't you know what it was.

1104
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: I remember executing now. It was why a nonresident, if

1105
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: he's hunting in a wilderness area has to have a guide.

1106
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: And you go like, why it must be to protect

1107
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: the guiding industry. They say, is to protect safety. And

1108
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: we went to a guy like, well why is it?

1109
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: He goes, we don't record the why. So there's an

1110
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: argument and there's a vote. We care about the outcome

1111
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: of the vote, and no one writes down what was

1112
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: said about it. Yeah, but that's like we need that

1113
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: to educate the people. Like they're like, it's like with

1114
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: my kids. Man, They're like, why it doesn't matter, it

1115
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, why that's Lake Trout. They get crazy though

1116
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: that up in the Idaho last year went to priest

1117
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: and it was like the I just I didn't even

1118
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: know how to catch him. I just got told like

1119
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: that were out there. We were just um like on

1120
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: a family trip and I drove out with my back.

1121
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: I had my bass boat up there with electronics and

1122
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: I just drove out to a spot and it was

1123
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: like ninety ft and there was nothing, and it dropped

1124
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: down into hundred and fifty feet and the fish started

1125
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: at ninety and they dropped all the way down to

1126
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: the bottom and a hunt and fifty feet and then

1127
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: must there was literally hundreds of thousands of light trout. Yeah,

1128
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: every drought everything, everyone. Yeah, we did. We called them all,

1129
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: took them back and lit a fire and ate him

1130
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: and everyone loved him, just like picked him off the

1131
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: folk and it was that's what we called him. We

1132
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: actually end up um you know, fill it in him

1133
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: some of them and uh freezing them and still got

1134
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: him at home. Then we give you a tip on

1135
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: being an American. Yeah, fill it that was going to Yeah,

1136
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: and that's not the only one. First thing was right, Yeah,

1137
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: I like the freedom. I've ever noticed how the meat

1138
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: color changes on trout depending on their size, the mica

1139
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: shrimp versus like so in Idaho, the small ones, like

1140
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: he was talking about, the small ones eat the mica shrimp.

1141
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: They're super pink, right, bright pink and as they get bigger,

1142
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: they turned white, like because they started fish. Northern Pikeman

1143
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: though up there, Yeah, they started eating fish and their

1144
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: meat turns white from pink. We talked about that recently,

1145
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: the rebranding of the Northern Pikeman though. Yeah, it's an

1146
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: interesting one. Um. Alright, so here's why why you guys.

1147
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: I got a couple of questions for you about this

1148
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: about being professional bass fishing. First, each of you like

1149
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: concisely layout. Well, I'm gonna give you two things. I

1150
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: want you each to concisely layout, like where you sit

1151
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: in the realm of like where you're at in your career.

1152
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: And then I want one of you to walk through

1153
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: what's the progression of like how you get there? Meaning

1154
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: if you I don't really know about baseball, but let's

1155
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: just say it would be like you play t ball,

1156
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: then you play like Little League. Then presumably you play

1157
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: like high school, college miners, majors, whatever the hell do

1158
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: One of those you guys can decide amongst yourself who

1159
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: does the the progression the first time you know where

1160
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: you're at, I'll take the progression. Uh So in our careers,

1161
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,959
Speaker 1: first of all, I gotta find who's pulling my court

1162
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: and I am going to kill him. Yep. That's that's

1163
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: definitely under my foot, my bad progression, my career. Let's see,

1164
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: I've been doing it. Gosh, I just finished up my

1165
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: eleventh season, so I am. It seems like yesterday I

1166
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: was one of the rookies and now I'm more like

1167
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: one of the veterans. But I'm not old. Yeah, I'm like,

1168
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: you're like an old timer. I'm like an old timer

1169
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: doing it for eleven years, but I'm not old. That

1170
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: makes sense just because I started young. So um, there's

1171
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people your age that did it

1172
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: for eleven years and haven't had the success and thus

1173
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: aren't doing it anymore. I'm guessing right, Yeah, and I

1174
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: would I would say majority of the guys, like your

1175
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: average age is older. Now you look at extreme sports,

1176
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: like guys are done when they're twenty five or twenty six.

1177
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: Majority of the guys who don't start and qualify historically

1178
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: until they're probably mid thirties or early forties. What's what's

1179
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: old for professional bass fisherman? Well, our oldest guy and

1180
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: I was, and he can still please. He won, he

1181
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: won in the last couple of years. Yeah, but he's

1182
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: like an exception. Right, He's one of the best we've

1183
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: ever had. He's been doing it professionally longer than we've

1184
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 1: both been alive when I made this, when I made

1185
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: the Elite Series, and I started fishing in two thousand

1186
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: and fifteen, so I started competing the second tournament, third

1187
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: time of the year, was on Toledo Bend, and like,

1188
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing, Like I made

1189
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: it too early, and I'm just grind and trying to

1190
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: compete with these best guys in the world. And Rick

1191
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: Klan got on stage and he was coming second after

1192
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: day one, giant bag, a huge bass, and he's like, yeah,

1193
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: I caught him off a spot I found in four

1194
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: which was which was when I was born. And I

1195
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: was like, I've got some work to do. That's some

1196
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: time to make. Uh. So I guess like I would be.

1197
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just coming into my prime. Is

1198
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm thirty four. Just turn thirty four.

1199
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: So Brandon's also done every single thing about you can

1200
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,919
Speaker 1: possibly do in the fishing industry, Like he's at the peak, pinnacle,

1201
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: top one percent of bass anglers. Okay, so that's that's

1202
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: what I want to like, what are your like, if

1203
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: you had to do a bio that was really talking

1204
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: your ship up, what would the bio say, uh, five

1205
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: time Elite Series champion, Uh, two thousand seventeen Angler of

1206
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 1: the Year, two thousand ten National Championship. That was important.

1207
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: That's how it's That's what That's what I'm looking for.

1208
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 1: Is that kind of stuff. Yeah, Like that's like the

1209
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 1: written accolades stuff. But for me, those are just titles

1210
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: and trophies. You know, like that's not why I do it. No,

1211
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: don't no, you know, I'm just like this is I'll

1212
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: be frank with you all the like Seth knows about this,

1213
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: all this, I don't know the first thing about it. Yeah,

1214
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: So that I mean to win five is like is

1215
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: a big thing. When I won Angler of the Year,

1216
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: let's see called bass Fishermen of the year, there's a

1217
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: lot of species, well it is, but it is called

1218
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: the bass master Angler of the year. I mean, that's

1219
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: that is what the trophies bad. We don't want to

1220
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: beat up on the salt water guys or the walleye guys.

1221
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to take a Yeah, and so that

1222
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: at that time I think there had been forty six

1223
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: or forty seven of those titles awarded, but only had

1224
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: been won by twenty one guys, so you know several.

1225
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: It's not random. It's not random. No, it's not luck.

1226
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: There's too many variables to make it luck when you've

1227
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: done it consistently over and over. But a guy can

1228
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: get lucky and do it once, but to do it

1229
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: over and over, that's not luck. Right. That speaks to something, man,

1230
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It wasn't like that he

1231
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: had like you know whatever, like it happened to be

1232
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: on the right end of the lake. And you know,

1233
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: so I think, like, but I feel like I'm just

1234
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 1: coming into my prime right, like I'm starting to understand everything.

1235
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: And in the fishing world, there's two sides of it. Rather,

1236
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: there's the fishing side and then there's the business side.

1237
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: Because we're all independent contractors. We don't have team contracts

1238
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: like you do in the NFL, you know, major League Baseball,

1239
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: all of that word, and we individually have to go

1240
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: seek our business relationships. Those don't come to us as

1241
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: you don't have an agent. No, I do it all

1242
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: on my own. Some guys have agents, but like, I

1243
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: don't like that disconnect, Like I want to talk to

1244
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: the person that's making the decision. So that also when

1245
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: they have to call in, they're like, hey, we're not

1246
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna pay you anymore, they have to call me. It's

1247
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to call me and tell me

1248
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: versus I can just keep paying. We're gonna cut your guy.

1249
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: We've never talked to him, but we're gonna cut your guy,

1250
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so I like building that relationship with

1251
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: those people. How many okay, so how far like if

1252
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: if you're let's say you could partment I'm trying to

1253
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: think of how to put this. Let's say you could

1254
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: like like, uh, you're like a top ten or top

1255
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: tier bass fishermen, Um, how many of them are there? Like? Like,

1256
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: how many guys are sort of your peers right now?

1257
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: And are and are and are you guys peers? Yes?

1258
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: So me and Carl Fish on the same circuit, which

1259
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Speaker 1: is the bass Master lead series that is the original

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: so B A S S and bass Master that's the

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Speaker 1: original tournaments circuit that's been around for and you guys

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: both so you guys would compete against one another. Yeah, okay?

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,839
Speaker 1: And how many of how many of you are there?

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01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: At that caliber. And are all those people are all

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: those one hundred making their living fishing? Are some of

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01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: them still like doing roofing and stuff? Majority or not,

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: I would not making majority are not making their living fishing?

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01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: They either have. And that's why I say a lot

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01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: of guys probably start historically at an older age because

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: they've either got a business that has been built up

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: where they can take time away from it where they

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: can go and try to compete or try to qualify

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: to compete, or they've sold a business or something of

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: that route. Now that that's changing, the average age is

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01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: dropping drastically, um with the influx of like college and

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: high school programs, So that like as big as a

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: business as bass fishing seems to be, it is. You look,

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,480
Speaker 1: you look at all the hook and bullet sports. Um,

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: here's one that like can compete on national television. Right,

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: So it doesn't support a hundred full time fishermen. Crazy, huh.

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: We have that. We have that conversation all the time,

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: and Carl talk about that because dude, there's easily a

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: hundred like strike. They kind of did, and they kind

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: of tried, and they've tried everything to to make it happen,

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,919
Speaker 1: because that's it's from your from how the Payles's perspective,

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: it looks like we're all just absolutely killing a big

1287
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: trucks boats. But it's just not the case like Fox

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: for coats of money office gig. I mean, I don't

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: know who is um. I mean, that's that's the tricky part, right,

1290
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: is like each angler is an individual business out for

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: themselves that also operates as a whole driving the machine

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: that gives us the platform to perform and promote our business.

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01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: That they're also running a business, right Like, so everybody

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: wants to be profitable. The tricky part is is that

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 1: we're also competing for all of the same endemic sponsorship.

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: But that's why you guys got to be more like

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: the dudes who play like the more like the MLB

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: players or NFL players. You have the league like the NFL, right,

1299
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: but the league has a deal with the players collectively.

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: Steve's dropping mad education about sports. Now did we talk

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01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: about that shirt? Dirt got me. DRT got me a

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: T shirt of a dude like like slamming a basketball

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01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: and it says touchdown. Yeah, I don't mean, I know,

1304
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm sucking this whole sports analogy thing when you guys

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01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: should be bailing me out. What I'm saying, how do

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: you not like, so there's the what's the organization that

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 1: there's two organizations? Right, Yes, there's really two. There's yep,

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 1: b A s S. Which is the Bass Angler Sportsman Society.

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: That one's been around the longest, and then uh, the

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Speaker 1: newest one is Major League Fishing, and so like, we're

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: not going to get into that whole debacle. But they

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: don't live without the Anglers, so we we have to

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01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: have each other. But then they got so they're creating

1314
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: this situation where I mean, maybe God bless them, probably

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01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: nicest guys on the planet, but they're creating a situation

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01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: where their organization relies on these hundred or so individuals.

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01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: But these hundreds so individuals all have to compete against

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01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: each other and have no like collective way to uphold

1319
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: the organization. I feel like it would be prime for

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01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: it would be prime for you guys to get all

1321
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: like up in their business. It's it's what you're talking

1322
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: about is probably the number one thing that needs like

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: fixing talking about in our sport. That's like we need

1324
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: it needs to happen a hundred percent, but it's just

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01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: it's such a struggle to get the hundred anglers. Like

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,839
Speaker 1: what you're what you're getting is you're getting twenty guys

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01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: that are coming in that don't have any money, don't

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01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: have any support. They're just really good outdoorsman, sportsman, fishermen.

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01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: They've grinded and they've made it. Now they find themselves

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: in the top hundred guys in the world, and now

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: they've got big entry fees, traveling all over the country,

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01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: high expenses. And then you've got mid range guys that

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01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: have been doing it, got through that early storm, are

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: getting some sponsors and support, but half making it. And

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01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: then you've got this top percent that are making really

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01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: good money, big sponsorships and working with all this stuff.

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01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: So you've got like basically three groups that one guy's going,

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01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't want any entry fees and make the payouts

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: a little bit lower so I can survive. And you've

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: got another group that like jack the entry fees up.

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: I want to compete for way more money. So you

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01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: put them all in a room and everyone just has

1343
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: all these different opinions and you're like, can't come up

1344
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: with this where we should be all coming together, So

1345
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: let's make it better. If you make it to top

1346
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: hundred guys in the world, you should be getting paid

1347
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: no matter what, and then lift everyone up and everyone

1348
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: make money. But don't no matter which way they try

1349
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: and do it, they just can't get it because the

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: top tier guys are probably and not in the mood

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: to talk about guys. Yeah, and it would take the

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: top tier instrument to want to do something. If that

1353
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: top ten fifteen guys with big names, big sponsors got

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: together and said this is what we're going to do,

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01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: we could possibly make a change. But that also they

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01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: tried that, but they went a different way, which is

1357
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: what happened with Major League Fish and it didn't work.

1358
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: So now you kind of got two split groups. But

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: that's a different story. But now we're sort of back

1360
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: to fighting again. Okay, how we're going to make it

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: better for everyone right now? And for me it's lost

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: a little bit because even in my story, I want

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01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: to make it better because the way I looked at

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: it is if I make it to the top hunter

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: guys in the world, I've made it. I'm going to

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01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: It's that's it, I'd like, I would think, And so

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01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm like I just risked it all, sold everything, grinded,

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: didn't see my family for years, moved to America, had

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01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: to move back. I went broke, did all the rest,

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: made it, and then halfway through my first year, I

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: was in the worst position of my entire life. And

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01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,440
Speaker 1: then a year later I was broke in debt and

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01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: gone out of the out of the out of the elites,

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01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: and I was like just chewed up and gone, and

1375
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: I was like, what just happened? And that happens to

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of guys every year, and just lucky

1377
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: for me, I just decided not to quit, and I

1378
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: fought back, made it, got back, and then I end

1379
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: up winning, and my career grew and I come back

1380
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: into it and now I'm in a better position. But

1381
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: I could have just went away and just been another guy.

1382
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: That is that is the bottom tier of guys, just

1383
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: like a revolving door, like sometimes because those guys they're

1384
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: not getting they don't like boat sponsors, they're like buying

1385
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: their own boats, their own entry fees. The guys first

1386
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: coming in they've got they've got a mission ahead of them.

1387
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: When they call Brandon and I a lot, and and

1388
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: certainly're like, I just made it through the nations, through

1389
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: the opens, what can I expect? And I'm like, get ready.

1390
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: But also guys have made it through college and two

1391
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: years later they're millionaires, like have one millions of dollars.

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01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: So it's so hard to put a negative. I'm like,

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell negative to you because you

1394
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: could come in and just crush it and be the

1395
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: biggest name. But the reality is if you don't, this

1396
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: is what could happen. Does a pro always make more

1397
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: no matter how much you're making and winnings? Are you

1398
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: always making more on sponsorships? Or can to the winnings

1399
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: get so good that you're blowing the sponsorships away, which

1400
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: just the purse depends on the stage of your career

1401
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: as well. Right if you come in early on and

1402
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: you have a blowout season, for sure, your winnings are

1403
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: gonna outweigh your sponsorships, and the longer year around, your

1404
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: sponsorship dollars start to grow because it's like, you make it,

1405
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: but then you also but then you have to prove

1406
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: yourself at that level. And I think the biggest issue

1407
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: that we have in the fishing community from the business

1408
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: standpoint is identifying what it is to be a professional angler, right,

1409
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: we compete at the top level, but anybody can go

1410
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: by a jersey and put logos on it which devalues

1411
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: what we do, and then that they can do that,

1412
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,520
Speaker 1: but they don't get the fish in the tournament exactly.

1413
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: But there's so many other avenues now to create exposure

1414
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: and create yeah, and there's not there's not like a

1415
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: set standard of like this is what a professional angler is,

1416
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: this is what they should make. I've always thought that

1417
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: if we take the top hunter guys in the Elite series,

1418
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: take the bottom guy and make him, you know, worth

1419
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars in sponsorship every year, everybody above

1420
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: that will just make more money, right, because everybody's not

1421
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: gonna make the same amount of money and sponsorships. We

1422
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: don't want that because that would defeat the purpose of

1423
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: hard work and trying to evolve. And so the biggest

1424
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 1: thing is, like, make that bottom guy worth a hundred

1425
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: grand and sponsorship, and then everyone's just going to be

1426
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: a percentage of value more of able above that guy,

1427
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: depending on how much extra you do on the business side,

1428
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: what's the what's a big like, what's a big win

1429
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 1: in dollars. Like, what's a big tournament win hunter grand

1430
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: that's what an Elite series event? Pace? Okay, what's the Classic?

1431
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: And it has been five hundred and then two days

1432
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: ago to college kids won a million dollars. That's at

1433
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: fishing bass fishing at the US Open. Yeah, they won

1434
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: two tundras. That college kids two tundras, two boats and

1435
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: a million dollars. Yeah. Everything. When I sold my first book,

1436
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's enough money left for next month

1437
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: for us where you see that? What that what's happening there?

1438
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: And you're like, we've we've made it to the top

1439
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: guys of the sport and then that's going on there.

1440
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like they win to win that.

1441
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: So it's a Bass Pro Shops US Open in so

1442
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: that's the top of the top. And this is the

1443
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: first year they've ever had that. They just ran at

1444
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: one random tournament. This is it. You qualify getting and

1445
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: then on the last day this group of angle is

1446
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: going to fish for a million bucks. So they did

1447
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 1: one thing to yeah that they have regional events. Yeah,

1448
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: that's like, they have regional events and then if you

1449
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: place in so high in your regional event, then you

1450
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: qualify for this championship and then you fish what was it,

1451
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: two days? We can't compete, Like, if you've paid an

1452
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: entry fee over, I believe you can't compete in that event.

1453
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Some of them, That's what I'm saying, Like some of

1454
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: the guys I fall like that fish the n w

1455
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: T National Walleye Tour qualified for that event. Yeah, I mean,

1456
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you? So they're giving away more, okay, but

1457
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: it's just interesting. It just doesn't make us want a

1458
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: million bucks fishing in a terment that you can't fish

1459
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: because you're two pro. Yes, but when you win, your

1460
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: tournament is not a million bucks. Yeah, and the guy

1461
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: that finished, the guys that finished seventh, eighth, ninth, all

1462
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: made more than us when we finish in that sort

1463
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: of position. But yeah, we have entry fees. That's the

1464
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: one thing. If we could get rid of them. We

1465
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: have fifty grand plus of entry fees per year. So

1466
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: that's the killer right there. If we didn't have that. Yeah,

1467
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: five grand. The derby, Yeah, they the tournament the other day.

1468
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 1: I think the top ten. I think two those teams

1469
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: were professional wallete anglers John John Hoyer. He they took

1470
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: seven and it was think fifteen grand, Yeah, probably made

1471
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: more than he made the entire year wallet fish all,

1472
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, we never did. I'm ready to move on

1473
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: the way. Other stuff we got back up. We got

1474
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: back up because we didn't get through the Yeah, but

1475
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: maybe those make sense. Like like I've had people say like, well,

1476
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 1: how is a person? How do you become a writer? Yeah,

1477
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: but I've never met two of them that did it

1478
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: the same way, so I can't really answer the question.

1479
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: It's it's actually super simple because there's to get to

1480
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,839
Speaker 1: the bass Master Lead Series. There's only two ways to qualify.

1481
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. So you've got the

1482
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: bass Master Open Series, which is three separate regions with

1483
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: three events per region across the United and you have

1484
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: to do what in those? So then you have to

1485
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: fish that entire series at least one region. Right, So

1486
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: we'll just say you fish the Northern Opens three events.

1487
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: You fish those three place in the top three in

1488
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: points each time, top three in cumulative points, of course,

1489
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: so it buffers you from a bad day, like you

1490
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: can still make up. The problem is is that one

1491
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: bad day probably eliminates you. So those those have three days,

1492
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: so you have to have nine good days over three

1493
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: different bodies of water at three different times a year,

1494
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: and if you with one of those days, you're never

1495
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: going to keep up. Yeah, you can't make it up.

1496
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible. Uh So you got to do that, yep.

1497
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 1: So that's how you can qualify through one of those

1498
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: um or the only other option is to win what

1499
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: is now called the Bass Nation. It used to be

1500
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: the Bass Federation, but it's now called the Bass Nation.

1501
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: And that's like your Weekend Warrior, guys, that's what I

1502
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: want in two thousand ten to qualify for the Elite Series.

1503
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: I think they should change the name back to Bass Federation.

1504
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,440
Speaker 1: I liked it because everything is a nation. Though. Yeah,

1505
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I like bad Bass Federation and I still say it

1506
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: all the time because that's what I came from. But

1507
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was then approach to yeah, and now

1508
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: now there's high school and college programs. So you go

1509
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: to a high school tournament in Texas, five d plus boats,

1510
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: two kids on a team for boats, and then college kids.

1511
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,440
Speaker 1: College kid can qualify for the Classic, which is our championship,

1512
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: but they can't qualify for the Elites. So in the future,

1513
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: when all these like trained dudes come up. It's going

1514
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: to change the playing field. Lout. Yeah, that's why the

1515
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: talent pool is gonna Well, that's why the average age

1516
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: is dropping, right, because there's youngers on the water. Ah. Well,

1517
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I think we've brought it up. I want to Can

1518
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: we ask about the bass Master Classic real quick? Oh? Yeah, okay?

1519
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Is that like you said, you're at the peak, but

1520
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: you haven't won that yet? So is that like the

1521
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: shining Star that you that's he hasn't won. That's it,

1522
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: that's it? And I finished second? D Yeah, I've got

1523
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: top tens. I finished second. Like did they pay it

1524
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: for finishing second? Yeah? So that was two thirteen. First

1525
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: place at that time was five grand. I got forty

1526
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: five grand? Holy how's that food dollar difference? We'd have

1527
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: to know what We'd have to know this some one

1528
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 1: do you guys can figure this out? What is the

1529
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: relationship of gold to silver in actual value? And we'll

1530
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: see if that makes sense the Olympics, if they gave

1531
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: you an ounce of gold, Let's say your thing is

1532
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: an ounce in the Olympics, they just gave you four

1533
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: hundred bucks, but ounces of silver is not ship Yeah,

1534
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: so it would actually be worse than what I did,

1535
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: it might be better than the Olympics. Silver is currently

1536
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: twenty four dollars an ounce and gold is eighteen hundred

1537
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: dollars an ounce, way better than the Olympics. Better. I

1538
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: haven't done the math. Do the math all the way, Phil,

1539
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: So you want to explore the relationship between how much

1540
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: is silver Prounce so undred? And then would you win

1541
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: what the other guy win? Okay? When I was like

1542
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: when I was in eighth grade, I could have done that. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1543
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: that's too much ad some division here. I think we

1544
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: didn't have like a bubble over Field's head or all,

1545
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: like the computations are going through. Just be like making

1546
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: a long shot. Start adding in all the wind dies,

1547
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: MAgric pressures. I'm shooting from three thousand to six thousands,

1548
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: you know, just start. Yeah, you gotta like he's got

1549
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: to be running that similar kind of business over there.

1550
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: I grew up in Kalamazoo, Michigan. You know. Yeah, I

1551
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: was gonna say, not far from my dad's house at all,

1552
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: like the sporting good Shot where I shopped at his

1553
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: parents shop exactly. His brother runs DNR Sports. Give our

1554
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: Michigan tags. When Yeah, I think I think this math

1555
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: is right. If the ratio we're the same, If you're

1556
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: forty five thousand dollars, let's call that the baseline, then

1557
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: his winnings should have been three point three million of

1558
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: silver verse gold. Yeah, so he's so what they're doing

1559
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: is more fair exactly. Yeah, that's good. Did you like

1560
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: to know what questions are come up? I'm gonna ask

1561
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: the next question, but I can tell you what the

1562
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: next question is. I'll just tell you the next question.

1563
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: When you guys were kids, was it just that you

1564
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: were always better than everybody at fishing? Like from day one?

1565
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: That was that was me that no matter what, like

1566
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: you just go out because good at all sports, could

1567
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: do everything. But like if we fished, I just like

1568
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: destroyed everyone. They were like, what is no matter what?

1569
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, if no matter what. But it was because

1570
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: I lived out there, Like I would bring my mates

1571
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: and they had been doing whatever a week, and I'd

1572
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: been like fishing three days a week, so I knew

1573
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: exactly what was going on or whatever. But we basically

1574
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: between it's most of everyone has the same story, but

1575
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: we just spent more time in the water than everyone else.

1576
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Like I never went to school, maybe four times a

1577
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: week and fish Friday, Saturday, Sunday, riding my bike, taking

1578
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Mom take me somewhere wherever I could go. I just

1579
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: needed to be fishing. But you you feel that it

1580
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 1: was like you're attributing it to I am spent out. Yeah,

1581
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: but like there has been sort of like a native

1582
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: talent aspect. Yeah, I think you're just no matter how

1583
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: much time. Yeah, there's definitely a thing We've spoken about

1584
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: it where no matter how much time you spending the water,

1585
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 1: some people just have it in your and it's with

1586
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: hunting and whatever. You're just like that guy just has

1587
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: it and he spent a bunch of time in the water.

1588
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Some people spend a ton of time in the water

1589
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 1: and can never quite never get there. Like a lot

1590
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: of making the connection. Americans asked me all the time,

1591
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,520
Speaker 1: how do you make it? I'm it's come from Australia,

1592
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you lived in the country old time

1593
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: fish for bass. Since you're a kid and have done

1594
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: it with your dad's and your grandfather's that's what I'm

1595
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 1: competing against. These guys that have learned from their dads

1596
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: and their grandfathers, say, hard to beat because they've got

1597
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: so much good knowledge but sometimes if you just don't

1598
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: quite have that aspect, the tournament thing just brings a

1599
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: whole another thing with money and making fast decision, having

1600
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 1: a time limit on it, and being able to read

1601
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: the water instantly make fast decisions. That's what makes you

1602
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of a good tournament angler. But most people just

1603
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: had that knack and they had that thing where they

1604
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything else but fish, and they just understand

1605
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: what how those bass and fish work, just from purely

1606
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: having that bit of talent, but also just ridiculous. A

1607
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: manito or gal is like an adjective that you guys use.

1608
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: He's yeah, it's the natural he's er that I worked for.

1609
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: We just call guys fishy. But you know that guy's

1610
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: pretty fishy. Yeah, but that's a new thing. How long

1611
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: ago was that? That was I don't know, mental, right,

1612
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: Because you take all the guys out there, they have

1613
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 1: access to all the same technology. Mechanically, guys are pretty

1614
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: even across the board. So then it only leaves one thing,

1615
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: and that's mental that separates the guys that do it

1616
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: at the highest level versus the guys that don't make it.

1617
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: But when you're Brandon just I mean, same question to

1618
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: you when you were little? Was it just it you

1619
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: just caught fish. I feel like I always caught him

1620
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: and but it was weird, is like I feel like

1621
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: I was just that's what I was born to do.

1622
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: Like I was I started out fishing. There's pictures of

1623
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: me where like I've got cheerios on my little uh gosh,

1624
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: I can't even think what it's called. You sit a

1625
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: baby in something and there little high chair there we go,

1626
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: so like the high chair with the little tray and

1627
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: I got cheerios all over it, and I'm holding a

1628
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: fishing rod like little bleached blonde toe head and I'm

1629
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: holding a fishing rod like I couldn't even walk at

1630
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: that time. And so it was almost like there was

1631
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: just always something that made me tick when it came

1632
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: to fishing. And uh as far as like was I

1633
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: better than kids? When I was younger, I didn't really

1634
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 1: fish with anyone my age, Like there wasn't It wasn't

1635
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: a thing then like it is now. A lot of yeah,

1636
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: brand Nie story are very similar, even on the other

1637
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: side of the country. But we always had like an

1638
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: older guy or a father figure that took you and

1639
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: like instead of hanging out with your mates. As much

1640
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 1: of your age, you sort of separated a bit from that,

1641
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: and we're more like inclined to go with the old guy.

1642
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: I was going to show you and teach yourself because

1643
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: you're like, you knew he knew more than you, and

1644
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: you wanted to learn what he knew. And so you're

1645
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: always always always sitting in the back of someone's truck

1646
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: if they're going fishing. Is there a seat, now, I'll

1647
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: climb in there, and I'm in there, like I wanted

1648
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: to learn what they knew, and then just progressed from there. Yeah,

1649
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: we grew up around our lakes where we lived. We

1650
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: definitely grew up fishing with friends, but mostly I like

1651
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: fished with old men. Yeah, because my dad was an

1652
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: old man. He had me when he was old hung

1653
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: out with old guys, and these guys I like grew

1654
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: up around old guys that were retired, so all they

1655
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: did was and that was kind of my main sort

1656
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: of exposure to it because people were fished a lot.

1657
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: You sort of progress, like you progress too, from bait

1658
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: fishing off the bank. You meet the older guy that

1659
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: fishes from the bank with bait, and you do that,

1660
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: and then that's great, and then you meet another guy

1661
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,560
Speaker 1: that like showed you your first lure and how to

1662
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: cast it, or you'd go with him and they would

1663
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 1: troll and like and yeah, that's what that's generally what

1664
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 1: that's how the bass fishing starts is because you get

1665
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: them to eat live bait and everything's cool. And then

1666
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: when a fish follows that, you trick a fish not

1667
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: eat the live bait. You trick them to eat that face.

1668
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: It's something different. That's when most kids brains are like,

1669
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: it's switches. And then all you want to do is like,

1670
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: look at the different Luis colors. That's why they're doing that,

1671
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the addiction a lot of us get.

1672
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: I think that's what that attraction is, to cast and

1673
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 1: retrieve and little fish, and it's a much more it's

1674
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: a different connection, I think. Uh here's my next question, Brandon.

1675
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: We covered you on the show before I've heard it,

1676
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: I've heard my name come up. Okay, tell the story.

1677
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: Do you are you comfortable talking about the story Mississippi

1678
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 1: ra Yeah, oh yeah, we got that rule change. If

1679
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,719
Speaker 1: I remember right. We covered it from a sympathetic lens. Yeah,

1680
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: did we cover sympathetically you guys did a good job

1681
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah yeah, meaning like totally could picture or

1682
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: something like that happening. So this was my third year

1683
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: on tour. I had one one Elite Series event in

1684
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. Two thousand thirteen came around and I

1685
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: was having a super tough year. I was way down

1686
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: in the points, wasn't going to qualify for the bass

1687
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: Master Classic Championship. And at that time they had a

1688
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: rule where it was winning your end, so if you

1689
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: want an Elite Series event, you got a birth into

1690
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: the Classic. And I was so far down in the

1691
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 1: points it was late in the year. My only opportunity

1692
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 1: to make the Championship was to win an event like

1693
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: an outright wind, like have to win first, no grand

1694
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: second place doesn't cut it. And I just I had

1695
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: a week where I had well, let me take a

1696
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: step back. The year before, we fish on the same

1697
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: body water. I had figured out a pattern. Mother nature

1698
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: brought a bunch of rain flooded the Mississippi River. That

1699
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: pattern went away. I didn't adjust in time two roles,

1700
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: but not now. Now I'm contentilated by that. Walking me

1701
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 1: through that a bunch of floods that what does that mean?

1702
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest difference I think in like what

1703
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 1: we do and being able to do well consistently is

1704
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 1: adapting to mother nature. Right, So, like every other sport

1705
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: goes and plays on some sort of field that's like

1706
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 1: manucured or you know, it's like you're in this controlled environment.

1707
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: We're like bowlers. Yeah, we're fishing. We're fishing in a

1708
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 1: We're fishing against another living creature that lives their life

1709
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 1: based on a different set of rules than what we

1710
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: live ours on. Right, Like we're very judged by a

1711
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: calendar and a time clock in a twenty four hour day,

1712
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: when they're really just based on sunrise, sunset and whatever

1713
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: mother nature throws at them. You can't. It's like a

1714
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 1: football if the football was alive, it's the it's a

1715
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: golf course that the whole changes off. You've hit the bowl, yeah,

1716
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and and so like that changes, right. So you get

1717
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of rain the Mississippi River it's narrow up

1718
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: on those upper pools, it's not like it is down

1719
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: toward New Orleans, and so a bunch of rain rises

1720
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 1: that water. And I was catching these fish out in

1721
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 1: the main river, which is where all that current pushes well,

1722
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: when you are. So bass are very oftentimes ambush feeders,

1723
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: so they want to set up in a place and

1724
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: ambush the prey as it comes by, right, So they're opportunistic,

1725
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: so they'll sit in current seams and behind these current

1726
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: breaks and things like that. Well, when you it's similar

1727
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: to a water hose. So people would think that you

1728
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: actually get more current when you get more influx of water,

1729
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: But it's like if you stick your thumb on the hose,

1730
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: you can spray it further. Even though there's less amount

1731
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: of water coming through the end of the hose. R

1732
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: it's creating more pressure. And so at a certain level

1733
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: in the river, those fish have to set up in places.

1734
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: But when it comes up high, it blows over all

1735
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 1: those wing dams, blows out over those breaks, and then

1736
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: those fish can just roam. They can set up anywhere,

1737
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and so it's a lot harder to find target. Yeah,

1738
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,320
Speaker 1: they can just go and roam around. And so the

1739
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: water comes up, they roam around. You lose your target.

1740
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: And you know, we only have eight hours in a day,

1741
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: so you have to be very efficient. Two rolls around,

1742
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm at the bottom of the pack, have to win one.

1743
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: This pattern starts to play out that I had found

1744
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 1: the year before. The weather holds out and day one,

1745
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: my whole game plan was I was gonna go catch

1746
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: three or four small mouth. They were going to be

1747
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 1: bigger than the large mouth. They were gonna be, you know,

1748
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: three to four pounders. And then I was a plan. Yep,

1749
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: this is the plan, and then I'm gonna go large

1750
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 1: mouth fishing. But the rule at that time was that

1751
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, because you have to have some of each, no, no,

1752
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: just large mouth or much more common in that part

1753
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,879
Speaker 1: of the Mississippi River, when I go catch five big smallmouth,

1754
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: because it was nearly, it was harder, like it was

1755
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: hard to catch five small mouth, and so like in

1756
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: practice it was a very short window that small mouth

1757
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: would feed very early. I would catch them early, but

1758
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I could catch five obviously if

1759
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: you wouldn't fill out the bay. Obviously, if you catch

1760
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: five at some point you gotta bail and go fill up. Yeah,

1761
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: but I'm doing the numbers in my head, like, Okay,

1762
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm if I catch fourteen fifteen pounds a day, I've

1763
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: got a real legitimate shot to win. If I catch three,

1764
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Why target the small mouth at all? Because they're bigger

1765
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 1: than the large mouth. You have the opportunity at more

1766
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: four to five pounds small mouth than you do large mouth.

1767
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: You can catch more two pound large mouth, but that's

1768
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:20,719
Speaker 1: not going to get you paid because you're never gonna

1769
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: hit fifteen pounds exactly. But it's implausible that you're gonna

1770
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: go catch five five pounds small It's possible, it's just

1771
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: not probable. And you might have to at some point

1772
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: haul ass over really quickly catch the ones you know

1773
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: you'll catch finga. So my game catch you just you

1774
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 1: might want to bring me on that wat. I can

1775
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: do this kind of calculation for you mans on the

1776
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: back of the boat, right and stuff down to calculating

1777
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: switch to carps. You need to troll at one point

1778
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: three not one point two. And uh. The unique thing

1779
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:58,679
Speaker 1: about the Mississippi River was it's a bordering water between

1780
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and Minnesota. Minnesota law at that time was they

1781
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: took the most restrictive law of whichever state it was,

1782
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: and so they would so say laid out So Wisconsin said,

1783
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to coal once you put a fish

1784
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 1: in the live weel. Because we keep all of our

1785
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: fish alive. We weigh him in alive, we release them

1786
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 1: alive back in the body of water. You get penalized

1787
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: for it. And you're not allowed to call a dead one.

1788
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 1: So if one dies, if you don't take care of

1789
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: them in your live, well you're stuck with him. You

1790
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: kill a one pounder and you catch a four pounder,

1791
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: you can't you can't throw out the one pounder, and

1792
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: so what if you eat them, Well, that's not allowed,

1793
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:53,440
Speaker 1: not at the tournament. And so then so with Wisconsin

1794
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: saying this is where it gets really confusing. I didn't

1795
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 1: even understand this part of it. Yeah, so Wisconsin, No,

1796
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: Wisconsin said you're not allowed to coal a bass once

1797
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: it goes in your live, Well, you're done in Wisconsin waters. Yes,

1798
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: And that was a rule that was not intended to

1799
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 1: impact bass fishermen. It came from snagging salmon in the

1800
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: rivers and when the salmon would go up to spawn,

1801
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,560
Speaker 1: guys with snag them, and it was a deal to

1802
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: protect that fishery. But it was one of those things

1803
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: where you know, it was just kind of a blanket statement,

1804
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 1: like you were talking about earlier, with you know, putting

1805
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: it into the constitution of the right to hunting fish

1806
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 1: like you really need to lay it out, and that

1807
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: wasn't so we had to play by that rules. That

1808
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 1: would be in Minnesota you could cole but because it

1809
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,679
Speaker 1: was bordering waters, they take the Wisconsin law. Here's where

1810
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: it gets really confusing. We got permits from the state

1811
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin to allow our tournament to coal, but because

1812
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,560
Speaker 1: it was a state law, then you couldn't col in

1813
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota to That's what happened. Yes, so see I was

1814
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I thought I was being sympathetic when I just thought

1815
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: it was that you were like you crossed like a

1816
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: sort of hard to interpret state line the year it's coming.

1817
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: But I delayed the ground rules so everyone understood like

1818
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: like why Minnesota Wisconsin? Yeah. Yeah, that's confusing enough in itself.

1819
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 1: So part of my game plan. One of my best

1820
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 1: areas is in what I know is Minnesota. Right, it's

1821
01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:40,560
Speaker 1: on the Minnesota side of the river. I'm fishing the

1822
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: main river channel. One of my other best areas is

1823
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 1: in what I think is Wisconsin. The reason I think

1824
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: that is because pretty much every river I've ever been

1825
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: on in the entire Lower forty eight, the main river

1826
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: channel is what dictates a bound or a between you know,

1827
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: a county line or a state line or whatever that

1828
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: may be. That holds true with the Mississippi River. For

1829
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 1: probably of it, there happened to be this one section

1830
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: where it comes out of uh pool seven and it

1831
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: runs down the main river channel for about say a

1832
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: mile mile and a half, and then it cuts across

1833
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: this island, runs down a back channel for another mile

1834
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: and then back out to the main river channel for

1835
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles because of some like arcane dispute about something. Yeah,

1836
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 1: it's across an island that who knows they lost back

1837
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 1: in some war between Minnesota Wisconsin. I don't know, but

1838
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: like it just it goes back, goes behind the back channel.

1839
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: So the what had happened is the second day, um

1840
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: so day one, I catch them. I'm leading great, right

1841
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: right in position where I need to be to make

1842
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: the championship. And you do the whole small mouth large mouth?

1843
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 1: I go, I catch four small mouth bengo, awesome, I

1844
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 1: go catch another large mouth. I've got eighteen and a

1845
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: half pounds. How okay, but how much time? Like when

1846
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: did you bail on the small mouth plant eleven o'clock

1847
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 1: and you had how how long did the fish? I

1848
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: think that day I had till three o'clock, so then

1849
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I went just catching our big small mouth because they

1850
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,640
Speaker 1: would They're feeding window is super early, so during it

1851
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: was just I got you. I figured out that this

1852
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 1: was happening with you. So Day two rolls around, giant

1853
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: storm rolls in. There's only really one thing that will

1854
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: delay our events, and that's a thunderstorm tornado type activity.

1855
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: That's what we end up with. Day two delays it.

1856
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 1: So in my mind, I'm freaking out right. I'm leading

1857
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: the event that I need to make our championship. My

1858
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: bite is in the morning, and now I'm missing my

1859
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 1: window of opportunity. What saved me is that right when

1860
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: they delay, they just like they postponed the start. But

1861
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 1: it all roll as long as long as it'll be

1862
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: the same finish at the end of the day. So yeah,

1863
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: we still end at the same time. So you're just

1864
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: losing part of your eight always fishing daylight hours. Yeah yeah,

1865
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm, you know, obviously worried about this. Good

1866
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 1: news is best don't live on a time clock, right,

1867
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: they just go on Mother Nature cloud cover keeps the

1868
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 1: light lower, which then helped those small mouth feed longer

1869
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: throughout the day. So by the time I got to

1870
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: my spot, they're biting good. I started what I think

1871
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: is Wisconsin. I lose a bunch, shake it off, moved

1872
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 1: to Minnesota, like coming on, button, do you I moved

1873
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and I catch four and I'm like, or, no,

1874
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I caught five. I had five in Minnesota, Like, well,

1875
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't do me any good fish here any longer.

1876
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 1: I'll go back to Wisconsin. Catch one more and I'll

1877
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 1: have a really good bag because I had caught some

1878
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: big small mouth. And I go back to Wisconsin or

1879
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 1: what I thought was Wisconsin, catch one coal one more time,

1880
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 1: and then I go large mouth fishing, and I don't

1881
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: call the rest of the day. And so I caught

1882
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 1: six fish that day where I had cold That fish

1883
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 1: where I thought was Wisconsin was a hundred feet south

1884
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 1: of where that bordering line cuts into the back channel

1885
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: hunter feet. Hunter feet cost me a hunter grain and

1886
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: the Classic ended up winning the next You can do

1887
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: that math quick, And then it got like reported everywhere. Yeah,

1888
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: so what I don't know who or what turned me in.

1889
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 1: But I got a call that night at about ten

1890
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 1: o'clock at night asking if I had fish to this area,

1891
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah I did, and like, did you

1892
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: call here? I'm like, just after they already handed you

1893
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 1: the check. No, this is day two, so four days.

1894
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: So I'm two days in. I've got a six pound lead.

1895
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 1: And not very often is it easy, But that was

1896
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 1: one of those weeks where just everything seemed like it

1897
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: was on that river it's huge, like you pretty much

1898
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: got it, and I felt like all I had to

1899
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: do was just get to my spot cast and reil ement.

1900
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: Very rarely is it that easy. But it was just

1901
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 1: one of those weeks. Everything lined up and they call

1902
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 1: me and you know, asking, hey, did you fish here? Yep?

1903
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Did you call here? Yep? Like you got Google maps

1904
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: and like yep, Like pull it up. I see that

1905
01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 1: red line. Who's there the organization? So tournament director, we

1906
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: have have a tournament director, and I'm talking to them,

1907
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: and instantly my heart sinks because I know when I

1908
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: look at that line exactly what it is. And so

1909
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,000
Speaker 1: it was really was my own fault, right, It was

1910
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 1: my fault of not looking specifically at where that bordering

1911
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: water was. I took the assumption that the main river

1912
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: channel was the boundary, and if I was on the

1913
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin side, of the main river channel. I was legal,

1914
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't know or realized there was that cut

1915
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: through was their attitude. Um, the they that called you

1916
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: was their attitude. Man, I know this is harsh, but

1917
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: if we don't have rules, the whole world falls apart.

1918
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 1: I knew, like obviously from my standpoint, I was what

1919
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: was I at that time, like a year old kid.

1920
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 1: That's how old you were? Yeah, yeah, And so I

1921
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: had to it would have been twenty five or twenty six,

1922
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: and so I had to make a decision of how

1923
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 1: I was going to approach it right. And at the

1924
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, it was my own fault, Like

1925
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: obviously I didn't agree with it right. Because here's here's

1926
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: what bothered me the most. If I would have forgot

1927
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 1: to call right, if I would have forgot to release

1928
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: my smallest one that was alive, put the bigger one

1929
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: in and came to Waynes with six fish, I would

1930
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: have only gotten a two pound penalty, because that's what

1931
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 1: our penalty is in our rules if you bring six

1932
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,560
Speaker 1: fish to the live to the way in. But instead,

1933
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:33,560
Speaker 1: because I thought I was doing the right thing and

1934
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 1: throwing one back, I got that day's weight disqualified all

1935
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: the way just yeah that day, which dropped me down

1936
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: to seventy third because I was only had one day's

1937
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: wait and didn't make it. I did off one day's wait. Yeah,

1938
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: one day wait, did beat a couple of guys two

1939
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: days and uh yeah, and so I just jokingly said,

1940
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just have to go win the next one,

1941
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: and then I actually did. So you you thought you had, Like, Okay,

1942
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 1: I could do two things here. I could start like

1943
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 1: breaking stuff and having a having a fit and kind

1944
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: of like do what feels natural, and I slight a

1945
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: few moments of that, or I could or I could

1946
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:16,800
Speaker 1: just play the long game and pursue a career, which

1947
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: actually ended up being probably one of the best decisions

1948
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:24,599
Speaker 1: in my career. But I mean I learned from it, right,

1949
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: Like you guarantee if we're going into bordering waters now,

1950
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: I am staring at every boundary. I can't remember we

1951
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: talked about this when we were talking about that, but

1952
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: ice a fish a stretch of the Delaware River which

1953
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,600
Speaker 1: flowed between New York and Pennsylvania, and they did a

1954
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 1: really convenient thing there where they came together and made

1955
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 1: a rag for the river. Yeah, Like it's like a

1956
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 1: joint regulation. Yeah, so it's like you didn't need to

1957
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't know my like halfway or

1958
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: not halfway, or if you catch a fish in the

1959
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 1: middle of the river, you don't gotta like wonder what

1960
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: to do about it, right, Yeah, is they're not going

1961
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: to use their fins or their tail to swim back

1962
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: across the river, like if you why you're fighting and

1963
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: he kind of goals over to you know, Pennsylvania for

1964
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: a minute and the rule makes no sense. But and

1965
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean gladly, I mean for everyone it worked out

1966
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: better that it happened to me because the rule ended

1967
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,719
Speaker 1: up getting changed because it got so much publicity around

1968
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: it that it actually is now no longer rule. So

1969
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like that was you know, like just

1970
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 1: life career wise was really Yeah, yeah, life and career wise,

1971
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: it was a win because you handled it with honor. Yeah,

1972
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: it could have I definitely could have just sunk my

1973
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:44,520
Speaker 1: own ship breaking rods. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it took

1974
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 1: a lot to not go down that route, but I

1975
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 1: knew that there was that was not the right option

1976
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 1: or the other way that's not good is to really

1977
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: talk about what I've seen people do too is to

1978
01:54:56,240 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 1: really start talking about like how stupid the rule is,

1979
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: how stupid the person is. And I mean, you have

1980
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 1: to own your own mistakes, right, and when it came

1981
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: down to it and you pull everything away, it was

1982
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 1: my own mistake. You can be like, you know, it

1983
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 1: was my own mistake. Yeah, however the rule, yeah, the

1984
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 1: rule nobody agreed with. But I mean old yeah, twenty

1985
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 1: five or twenty six due, I was totally irrational when

1986
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 1: I was when I qualified. Huh yeah. How many more

1987
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: Derbys did you have left in that season? Too? So

1988
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: you're like there's still a chance. Yeah, yeah, there's there's

1989
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: still a chance. And you made it, made it happen. Yeah,

1990
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 1: I managed to win the next one running almost a

1991
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: thousand miles in four days? Are you serious? And you're like, yeah,

1992
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 1: almost almost nine miles in four days. I burned a

1993
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and fuel in four days. About the how

1994
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: are you going? I ran all the way from Waddington,

1995
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:05,280
Speaker 1: New York, all the way out into Lake Ontario, past

1996
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 1: the mouth, like a long ways between spots, like all

1997
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: conditions being good, let's a glass, calm, no wind, You're

1998
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna average like around seventy miles because I mean time, right,

1999
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 1: You've got eight hours. The more casts you make, the

2000
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 1: more opportunities you have. So wasting time while you're running

2001
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: is you know, costing you more casts. But like walk

2002
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 1: through the calculation in your head, right, like like what's

2003
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: too much? Right? Uh? It depends on limits, So it's

2004
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: only a certain spade you can get with that. But

2005
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:42,560
Speaker 1: some guys can run like eighty miles now and the

2006
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 1: difference between seventy and eighty is massive. But I mean

2007
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: it's a huge gamble. If you say I'm gonna blow,

2008
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 1: you have eight hours, so you're like, I'm gonna defihing,

2009
01:56:56,640 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose two hours of fishing time. Yeah, just

2010
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: like you got. So when you're modern, you're probably like

2011
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:05,320
Speaker 1: in your head like you idiot, you idiot. Turn around.

2012
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 1: It comes down to your practice. In that event, I

2013
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: had two phenomenal days of practice out in the lake

2014
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 1: and figured I could catch twenty pounds plus in forty

2015
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 1: five minutes. And so if I had at least forty

2016
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 1: five minutes out of an eight hour day, I would

2017
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 1: make the run if the weather permitted. And out of

2018
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: thirty two hours, I fished for ten. So you get

2019
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: real granular about pounds per whatever. Yeah, and I mean

2020
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: I did. I bought this St. Lawrence Seaway book that

2021
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how many hundreds of pages it is,

2022
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:41,680
Speaker 1: but I scrolled through that finding every gas stop, every

2023
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 1: route that I could run, calculating minutes because I knew

2024
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 1: that every minute was going to count in that event.

2025
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 1: And I figured out like which gas docks you had

2026
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: to pay cash, which gas dog you could pay with

2027
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: a card because it was gonna be quicker if I

2028
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: could pay with a card. And I mean all of that,

2029
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 1: just like calculations by minute, because one cost can change

2030
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: your whole life in this set, and it has done.

2031
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 1: Like you can see, Yeah you hear about the Walleye

2032
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: guys doing that. Um, they'll run like a hundred and

2033
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 1: twenty miles, stop and get gas fish for an hour,

2034
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:20,520
Speaker 1: get like some you know, a couple of big bites,

2035
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 1: run back and win just because they ran all the way.

2036
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: They're caught a couple of thirty inches or whatever. It's

2037
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: professional gambling pretty much. Man. Honestly, I have like visions

2038
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 1: of the dude, uh like who just goes out on

2039
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 1: the end of the dock and yeah, catches a bunch

2040
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: of fatties, but he's just not gonna do that. Every day,

2041
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 1: different people bet on you as are also like fantasy.

2042
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 1: They started it um with Fox Sports, so we were

2043
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: live on Fox Sports and they started like messing around

2044
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 1: with some of the betting, like Fox Sports betting, and

2045
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they've gotten it to the

2046
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:05,919
Speaker 1: point where they're betting on specific anglers. We have fantasy

2047
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:09,720
Speaker 1: fishing where you like creative fishing team of your guys,

2048
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 1: but they're betting on like the weight and like of

2049
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 1: a single fish or like the biggest bag or winning Wait,

2050
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: things like that. We've got to the like betting on

2051
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 1: an individual. Yet you want to be in like Pete

2052
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: rose Man like start like what about a Calcutta? Is

2053
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 1: that legal? And does that happen? We don't have it

2054
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 1: in our events, I mean, but do you guys do

2055
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: it on the sly like little background side boats? No,

2056
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean you'll have beds. I went to a Sharp

2057
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 1: tournament one time, as I went there as a reporter.

2058
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,280
Speaker 1: I went to a Sharp tournament and the tournament had

2059
01:59:45,320 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: its money, but it was nowhere near the money the Calcutta.

2060
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 1: No one gave a sh about the actual tournament they

2061
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: were there for the side that those guys operate at

2062
01:59:54,800 --> 02:00:00,360
Speaker 1: a different like the dollar they're putting out entry phase

2063
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:03,880
Speaker 1: in fuel in today body they have and that's probably

2064
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:07,760
Speaker 1: underestimating it. For the for the Perch derby up at

2065
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Kanan Ferry that we're doing this, we're doing that and

2066
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 1: when is it chet January January? Yeah, Yeah, there's a

2067
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Calcutta for that, there is. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird that

2068
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have invited me along. Well, we're gonna try.

2069
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 1: We're trying. What's fine about something that you know we're

2070
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna get Uh, we're gonna try to get a bunch

2071
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: of teams to go up and do it this year.

2072
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh bunch of teams hadn't mentioned it to me? Well,

2073
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:32,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be You heard about this Hayden chat and

2074
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:36,160
Speaker 1: I just talked about the other night. Can I've got

2075
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:39,480
Speaker 1: a question. I've got a question for these guys that

2076
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 1: you got. Are you pretty drunking we can see you? Yeah? Um,

2077
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 1: So it's like five days before Seth and I head

2078
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 1: out on on this Walleye tournament next summer. Yeah, what

2079
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 1: is the biggest advice that you could give to us?

2080
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, just for for tournament fishing. Even though it's

2081
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 1: a walleye tournament, it's still hours. We're chasing fish, we're

2082
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 1: looking for fish. Let me tell you, I probably leeches.

2083
02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 1: You can probably do Yeah, you can do that. In

2084
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:28,560
Speaker 1: walleye tournaments. The open mind is a big one. And

2085
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: not listening to the doc talk, right, not listening to

2086
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:34,360
Speaker 1: what all the other guys are saying, like this is

2087
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 1: what you should be doing. I love that. You know.

2088
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: The way I explain to people is you try to

2089
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 1: ignore doc talk because here's the thing. Nobody knows what's

2090
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: happening that week. If say, when's your tournament January? What

2091
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: well this is? Or will the walleye tournaments be me

2092
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,320
Speaker 1: a bay? It's the first one, okay, so we say May.

2093
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 1: The thing that I can guarantee is that nobody in

2094
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: this world has ever fished for walleye Mayo, So nobody

2095
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 1: knows what is going to happen on that body of water,

2096
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,800
Speaker 1: whatever your date is in May. So you have to

2097
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,960
Speaker 1: fish the conditions. You have to have an open mind

2098
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: and not listening to that doc talk of like, oh,

2099
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:17,560
Speaker 1: this is what you have to do on this body

2100
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: of water, because once again, they don't live by a

2101
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 1: calendar and a time clock. We had a guy. We

2102
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 1: had a guy that does this very very hard big

2103
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 1: horn sheep hunt um and he was saying similar things. Says,

2104
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 1: you can't hunt last year's like in this area, you

2105
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:37,760
Speaker 1: can't hunt last year's sheet. If you find a ram somewhere,

2106
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 1: don't He's like, that's the one place I won't go. Look. Yeah,

2107
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,360
Speaker 1: it's like like we're talking seth like with the bison migration,

2108
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 1: really like you have this set time frame that you

2109
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:51,560
Speaker 1: can hunt. If the weather permits, they move out and

2110
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,560
Speaker 1: they migrate, and if they don't, then you don't have

2111
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:57,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity that just spain at a get to l

2112
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:00,040
Speaker 1: hunt the last couple of years UM with brand and

2113
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,120
Speaker 1: up here. It's like elk hunting is identical to fish.

2114
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: And once I figured out with the mapping and stuff,

2115
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like fishing. And so that's

2116
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 1: why some anglers are good like looking at the maps,

2117
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 1: the contours where they would see it trying you're trying

2118
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 1: to figure out a pattern, and that's what we're doing.

2119
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 1: We're like, what are the fish doing, what's the bait doing?

2120
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 1: Because it's all about food and temperature and that's what

2121
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 1: the elk are doing, like whether it's too much snow,

2122
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 1: not enough, whether they can stay there enough food, what

2123
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 1: concentrates them, like the currents, and say looking at the contours,

2124
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 1: you're like, there's a good bench and that's what bass like,

2125
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,600
Speaker 1: that would be a good spot, and then you would

2126
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 1: come in on at this angle. It's identical. It's like

2127
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: fun because it's it's almost like you can figure it

2128
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,240
Speaker 1: out the same both ways, very similar. But what if

2129
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: the dark talk winds up being reflecting your own thinking?

2130
02:03:48,440 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 1: Then do then you change course because that's what everybody's

2131
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 1: going to do and you better figure out something different.

2132
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:55,320
Speaker 1: You don't. You just try and block it out. That's

2133
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 1: the bed you block other boats. Yeah, you try it

2134
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:00,080
Speaker 1: as much as you can. You know. We never an

2135
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 1: example of some doc talk from this fall. We were

2136
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 1: early September. We went out to four Pack for do

2137
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 1: some walleye fishing, and uh check called the guy at

2138
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:13,840
Speaker 1: the marina and was like, Hey, what's the what's the

2139
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:17,120
Speaker 1: walleye report? The guys like walleye fishing has done for

2140
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 1: the year. They all died. They went to Florida. Yeah,

2141
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:29,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well that's kind of weird. Dune for the year, Yes, Chester. Yeah.

2142
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: So we get out there and we were watching all

2143
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,480
Speaker 1: the big walleye boats like make big runs to the west,

2144
02:04:36,600 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: and the the one day we made it, we weren't

2145
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 1: catching them. One day we're like, screw it. We'll just

2146
02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 1: we didn't want to run real far because you know,

2147
02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:48,560
Speaker 1: like it gets expensive. We're not you know, tournament anglers

2148
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 1: and making money and ship, so it's like we're you know,

2149
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 1: paying for our gas and stuff. And one day we're

2150
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:57,760
Speaker 1: like screw it. So we just ran like thirteen miles

2151
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:01,160
Speaker 1: and caught like a couple of dinkers, but the big

2152
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 1: bass or the big walleyboats are still like blowing past

2153
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:07,400
Speaker 1: us going away further. Well, the last day of the trip,

2154
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 1: we um found an oil leak on Chet's motor, so

2155
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:15,000
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, ship, we can't like make a big

2156
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:16,600
Speaker 1: run because we don't want to blow the motor up.

2157
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:19,160
Speaker 1: We didn't really know what was going on. Um, so

2158
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:22,200
Speaker 1: we end up fishing in the bay where the marine

2159
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 1: is and found the thirty interest and we're like catching

2160
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:30,480
Speaker 1: giant fish like within eyesight of where we put in

2161
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:32,680
Speaker 1: where the guy said the walleye fishing has done for

2162
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:35,160
Speaker 1: the year, and everyone else is running away from it.

2163
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:37,600
Speaker 1: There was no one else fishing there because they're fishing

2164
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 1: last year. One of the toughest things the guys is

2165
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 1: guides and locals on lakes that our tournaments come to.

2166
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:47,800
Speaker 1: They they either can blow it away, but it's usually

2167
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 1: pretty tough on him because if you're a guide, you

2168
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,440
Speaker 1: just know too much. They have too many spots, too

2169
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 1: much knowledge, and then they try and compact it into

2170
02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 1: an eight hour and it goes, you know when it

2171
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work out there like I can catch

2172
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:04,480
Speaker 1: him here here, next minute they're running around like crazy. Yeah,

2173
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,520
Speaker 1: and then and then you and then you can fish

2174
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:10,080
Speaker 1: too much and you fish those holes you've been a guide,

2175
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, the guy that just shows up

2176
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:15,160
Speaker 1: to a lake never been there before, just finds this

2177
02:06:15,480 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 1: way different pattern than that guy that leaves leave there

2178
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:20,320
Speaker 1: his whole watch, like damn, I never even knew that

2179
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,120
Speaker 1: was there. That's got to be so illuminating. It's for

2180
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:27,880
Speaker 1: a recreational dude who fishes a lake to be able

2181
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 1: to a tournament comes to the lake and be able

2182
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,040
Speaker 1: to see what do people do who are looking at this,

2183
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:38,800
Speaker 1: who are like sort of trained from a more national perspective,

2184
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:42,320
Speaker 1: like what do people do that are looking at this

2185
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:46,960
Speaker 1: without all the sort of like fishing my certain spots.

2186
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: And here's what I know it works because this is

2187
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:51,680
Speaker 1: what my daddy did. Interesting to see, that's what they

2188
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 1: say to us all the time every place that we

2189
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: go to, like we get the big crowds and all

2190
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:57,760
Speaker 1: the people and they all say, we can, we are

2191
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: you come into our lake. I can't wait to see

2192
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,560
Speaker 1: what you guys do and figure out that's why they're watching,

2193
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:05,480
Speaker 1: you know. And the biggest change of what Brandon was

2194
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,200
Speaker 1: saying before is live. That's been one of the biggest

2195
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 1: changes in our whole sport is we have it's live. Now.

2196
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:14,880
Speaker 1: Every every bit of footage from when blast Off starts

2197
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:18,240
Speaker 1: to the end is live, either on the website or

2198
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports. And so in the past they had

2199
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,000
Speaker 1: to film it, edit all the footage and make this

2200
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:26,120
Speaker 1: little thirty minutes show and put it on one of

2201
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:28,800
Speaker 1: the channels. And now it's eight hours streamed live. You

2202
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 1: see every cast of all the top five to ten anglers,

2203
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:35,560
Speaker 1: and like it's addicting, Like even for me. As soon

2204
02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:37,960
Speaker 1: as you're cut from the tournament the next morning, you're

2205
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,000
Speaker 1: watching what that right, Yeah, you're like what I miss

2206
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: and say all the locals and the people from all

2207
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:46,560
Speaker 1: over the world can watch it now and they're watching techniques,

2208
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 1: but the locals love seeing like that was my spoty found,

2209
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 1: or you know, seeing how different we approached the lake,

2210
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 1: especially when we come to a new body of water

2211
02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:58,400
Speaker 1: that they haven't seen as fish before. And that doesn't

2212
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:01,960
Speaker 1: turn into an issue when someone can watching and gost

2213
02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: just watch him from my boat problem, that's what That's

2214
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:08,200
Speaker 1: the only I don't get, Like when you were talking

2215
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 1: about the term you did where you got your little

2216
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,640
Speaker 1: rhythm down, Okay, I can't remember what one, but you

2217
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: just mentioned you sort of had a plan and it

2218
02:08:15,480 --> 02:08:17,960
Speaker 1: was work and you're gonna keep doing it now. Why

2219
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 1: isn't the guys that had like a shitty first day,

2220
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:25,840
Speaker 1: why don't they go and just be like, I'm just

2221
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna go exactly where he goes and and just a

2222
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: mirror what he's doing. It happens they do. You can't.

2223
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,560
Speaker 1: There's not there's nothing to protect you from. There's unwritten rule.

2224
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:38,120
Speaker 1: It's changing now. So in the past you could go back,

2225
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,400
Speaker 1: say you had a bad day, you would go and

2226
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 1: you would look get on the website. You'd look at

2227
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 1: who was leading, and you could read like the article

2228
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 1: of the pattern, and you could see a couple of

2229
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:51,080
Speaker 1: fishing clips. And now we can't get as soon as

2230
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 1: the schedules out. We say a schedule comes out nine tournaments,

2231
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 1: you can't talk to a single other human except for

2232
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:01,240
Speaker 1: who's in that tournament about any of those locations. And

2233
02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 1: then only you can fish it. You can't fish with

2234
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:06,440
Speaker 1: anyone on it. You can't talk to anyone about it.

2235
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:11,160
Speaker 1: There's no more scouts. You can only scout yourself, like

2236
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:14,640
Speaker 1: it's only what you policing that lie detect to test

2237
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:21,720
Speaker 1: truth detectiest and the polygraph. And then and then during

2238
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 1: the tournament, you can't look at the website. You can't

2239
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:27,880
Speaker 1: look at social media, like because it's very easy, like

2240
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 1: you could just in the past that would look, oh,

2241
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:32,640
Speaker 1: he's frog fishing in that mat. I'm going to I'll

2242
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:34,400
Speaker 1: try that tomorrow if you had a bad day, where

2243
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:37,640
Speaker 1: now when you don't catch him, you're like, I gotta

2244
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:41,480
Speaker 1: figure something. Jurors and like a high profile trial man

2245
02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:43,760
Speaker 1: like they try to live. So then at the end

2246
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 1: of the day, you can't talk to each other as

2247
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 1: long as it's someone in the event, like you can't

2248
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 1: call a guide or local shop or you know, you

2249
02:09:54,400 --> 02:10:01,040
Speaker 1: can't go fishing with the organization, and they hire a

2250
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:05,800
Speaker 1: guy that would you come into a room? Yeah, specific

2251
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 1: question up, Yeah, and it's you know that's every derby. Yeah,

2252
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 1: give me an example, an example of a questions just like,

2253
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 1: did you receive information on this tournament outside of off limits?

2254
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:20,120
Speaker 1: Or did you fish compete? Did you fish with an

2255
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:22,840
Speaker 1: angler on this body of water in off limits? Just

2256
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,120
Speaker 1: a few pretty pretty simple. But what they're trying to

2257
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:28,400
Speaker 1: do is like, and I like it. I want to

2258
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:30,840
Speaker 1: level the playing field like in the past, like when

2259
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:33,600
Speaker 1: I in two thousand fifteen, I fished the lake like

2260
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,960
Speaker 1: where Recklin had fished his whole life or whatever. But

2261
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:38,360
Speaker 1: I was on there. I never had a waypoint. Just

2262
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm just putting my boat on the water. And it's

2263
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:45,080
Speaker 1: how many thousand, hundreds of thousands naked, like and some

2264
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 1: anglers have five thousand way points. Have talked to every

2265
02:10:49,240 --> 02:10:52,160
Speaker 1: like the best guys, the guy that wins every local

2266
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 1: weekend tournament, like they've just they don't even need to practice.

2267
02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 1: And here I am two and a half days on

2268
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 1: this lake, like I got to try and figure out

2269
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:01,400
Speaker 1: how to catch a bass. That frustrated me because we

2270
02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,720
Speaker 1: kept going back to the same bodies of water where

2271
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can never get that amount of knowledge

2272
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,440
Speaker 1: that that guy has in even if I live for

2273
02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:12,240
Speaker 1: the next ten years on this lake, I wouldn't get

2274
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 1: his amount of knowledge. So now they've cut it all

2275
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 1: down to where trying to diversify the the schedule, which

2276
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,360
Speaker 1: is good new lakes that they haven't heard about, and

2277
02:11:22,440 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 1: then um and then limiting all of that knowledge. So

2278
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 1: it's up to you. It's up to you how if

2279
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:29,200
Speaker 1: you want to go and put time in that lake

2280
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 1: and figure it out, and then what I wanted to

2281
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 1: be is just two and a half days put on it.

2282
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:36,320
Speaker 1: Whoever configure it that lake out in two and a

2283
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:39,200
Speaker 1: half days, then the tournament starts. And to me, that's

2284
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:42,160
Speaker 1: the number one angler that can do that, not who

2285
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 1: can get as much information and waypoints and spots from

2286
02:11:45,720 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 1: someone else. That's how sort of And that's the way

2287
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 1: I got two things. I got two questions and these

2288
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:53,520
Speaker 1: both like I got two things I want to do?

2289
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 1: Did involve you guys? Time? Okay? Thing one I want

2290
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 1: to a video. This will be a lot of fun.

2291
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:04,240
Speaker 1: We go to my mom's lake where I grew up,

2292
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 1: sixty six acre lake. She still lives there. I was

2293
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:12,240
Speaker 1: born there. We go bass fish at lake? Yes or no?

2294
02:12:16,200 --> 02:12:19,160
Speaker 1: Here's my question, make a show about it. Are we

2295
02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 1: allowed to do it out of our boats like with

2296
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:23,840
Speaker 1: our technology? Or do we have to do it out

2297
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:26,600
Speaker 1: of like doss boat? No? No, no, I don't want

2298
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,520
Speaker 1: that garbage. I want to go there. I want to

2299
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:31,960
Speaker 1: go there and like I want to see. I want

2300
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:33,440
Speaker 1: to be like catch a bunch of fish out of

2301
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 1: this lake? Will I get a night crawl? Know what works? Well,

2302
02:12:40,520 --> 02:12:43,040
Speaker 1: we're going. Here's what. Here's how we start. You get

2303
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,760
Speaker 1: a piece of plywood and you get a little rock

2304
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:49,120
Speaker 1: and then the brick. Okay, and you put the rock down.

2305
02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,520
Speaker 1: Then you put the piece of plywood on the rock

2306
02:12:52,120 --> 02:12:55,560
Speaker 1: and about four inches of watery so it's on an angle,

2307
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 1: and then you put a brick on it so it

2308
02:12:56,920 --> 02:13:00,640
Speaker 1: doesn't float away. The next day you lift apply with

2309
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:05,640
Speaker 1: up and catch a horn nose chub. You take that

2310
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:09,640
Speaker 1: horn nose job and hook him through the lips and

2311
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 1: throw them out by my ma's raft on a bomber.

2312
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 1: Say so I'll show you how I would go about it.

2313
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:19,200
Speaker 1: And then we'll um and then yeah, then I want

2314
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:21,040
Speaker 1: to you guys take all that fancy ship and catch

2315
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of bass. We would have a riot. It'll

2316
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 1: be addicted to, like live technology. The next thing, the

2317
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:28,880
Speaker 1: next thing I want to do is this next time

2318
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:30,400
Speaker 1: we do a lot. We haven't done live shows in

2319
02:13:30,440 --> 02:13:33,040
Speaker 1: a long time. Not live bait. There's live bait, and

2320
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,840
Speaker 1: there's live shows. We stopped doing live shows at COVID.

2321
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 1: I haven't told you about this, but I'm flirting with

2322
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 1: a live, very close by in state, live show at

2323
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:46,480
Speaker 1: a theater. I want to have where we come and

2324
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:49,560
Speaker 1: do a thing where I want to have people out

2325
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:55,200
Speaker 1: in the audience, have a big galvanized tub, okay, and

2326
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:59,240
Speaker 1: start in whatever row and someone holds the galvanized tub

2327
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 1: and you gotta land and it will make a loud noise.

2328
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,360
Speaker 1: But we'll put a microphone up against the tub. I

2329
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:06,360
Speaker 1: like it. And then they're gonna pass it back a row,

2330
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:14,400
Speaker 1: spin and see how far these guys. Oh, okay, we'll

2331
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 1: have these guys just far up the rows. Pretty soon

2332
02:14:18,080 --> 02:14:22,360
Speaker 1: we're in row thirty. Yeah, spine or you hit some

2333
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: guy a riot, you're gonna have to get a lot

2334
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,160
Speaker 1: of waivers. Signed for that one. Well, I was already.

2335
02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:30,680
Speaker 1: I've been laying a bed at night thinking about this.

2336
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 1: I think we find something that casts good. But it's soft. Yeah,

2337
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:38,080
Speaker 1: but it's gonna have to it's gonna have to have

2338
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of salt, and so it's heavy. We'll figure

2339
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:44,440
Speaker 1: it out. Okay, it's a legitio. What's the word. It's

2340
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 1: a litigious world out there. Many people are fixing to

2341
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:55,400
Speaker 1: sue everybody. Oh, litigious, that kind of world. You guys,

2342
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep your calendars open because I want to do

2343
02:14:57,200 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 1: these My fish, my mom's lake. What's the best time

2344
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:06,960
Speaker 1: in here? The opening night start at midnight. It's one

2345
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:10,800
Speaker 1: of those songs that seasons. We started at midnight opening nights.

2346
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 1: Sometime you can tell you a story that I believe

2347
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:16,480
Speaker 1: it's true. I believe this is true. My old man,

2348
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:19,040
Speaker 1: he always tells the story. There's a one. This story

2349
02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:23,840
Speaker 1: has one lion. Uh. Nineteen, my mom and dad bought

2350
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:26,560
Speaker 1: the house I was born in. It was like seventy

2351
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:30,040
Speaker 1: one or seven seventy, nineteen seventy two. I know they

2352
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:32,240
Speaker 1: bought it for thirty five dollars. Did she actually have

2353
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:33,880
Speaker 1: you at home? Or you're just saying that you were

2354
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 1: born to nearby hospital. No, I was born at the hospital.

2355
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:39,360
Speaker 1: My dad was born at home, not that home. My

2356
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:42,120
Speaker 1: dad always told everybody that he was birthweight was thirteen pounds,

2357
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 1: but my mom pointed out that he was weighed on

2358
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 1: like a kitchen scale. So no one knows what wighed

2359
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:50,600
Speaker 1: because they're never accurate. But now I was born at

2360
02:15:50,640 --> 02:15:55,080
Speaker 1: the hospital, brought home upon my birth to this. A

2361
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 1: lot of my stuff is still in my bedroom. No, uh,

2362
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:03,400
Speaker 1: here's the story. It's like it's an apocryphal story because

2363
02:16:03,400 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 1: no one knows if it actually happened or not. My

2364
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 1: old man says he came out to look at the

2365
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:14,160
Speaker 1: house considering buying the house. As he tells it, like

2366
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 1: he looks at it, the realtor leaves and he's gonna

2367
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:21,320
Speaker 1: hang around a minute. He claims that the neighbor had

2368
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:26,720
Speaker 1: a rowboat out by the water's edge. My old man

2369
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:30,040
Speaker 1: claims that he got in that rowboat and rode over

2370
02:16:30,120 --> 02:16:32,200
Speaker 1: in front of the what we call the orange brick

2371
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 1: house and caught, as he caught, a five pound large mouth,

2372
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:46,600
Speaker 1: which would be the biggest large mouth to ever come

2373
02:16:46,640 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 1: out of that lake in the history of mankind. Beat

2374
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 1: five and he claims that that was why he bought

2375
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:59,320
Speaker 1: the house fishing tackle in the I believe every part

2376
02:16:59,360 --> 02:17:01,400
Speaker 1: of it, except that I think he weighed the bass

2377
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:07,360
Speaker 1: on the same scale, which starts at like three pots.

2378
02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:09,400
Speaker 1: So we need to figure out, like what that ratio

2379
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:12,680
Speaker 1: was that it was off. Yeah, we're like, it's probably

2380
02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:15,960
Speaker 1: a three pound bass. He was probably a nine pound baby.

2381
02:17:17,680 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 1: He's a good bass fishing like a bunch of two

2382
02:17:19,800 --> 02:17:23,520
Speaker 1: three poundas. Yeah, that's cool, I mean good, like that

2383
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:27,920
Speaker 1: grass rock. What kind of visibility we talked? I imagine

2384
02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:33,600
Speaker 1: a soup bowl. So it works like this. You have

2385
02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:35,959
Speaker 1: reads along the shoreline, except for where people who are

2386
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 1: like anti nature, uh poison all the weeds and then

2387
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:42,720
Speaker 1: they go buy sand and dump the sand on the

2388
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 1: beach like pup. So you have that that or you

2389
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 1: have the natural shoreline would be like woody debris and reads.

2390
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:54,440
Speaker 1: Then you have sand with a very thin layer of

2391
02:17:54,640 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 1: like organic matter laying on it mark and that goes

2392
02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:03,400
Speaker 1: out you four or five ft of water. Then you

2393
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:06,440
Speaker 1: have seaweed. We used to have milfoil, but they got

2394
02:18:06,480 --> 02:18:08,360
Speaker 1: the mill foil under control. Now it's the native weed

2395
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:11,880
Speaker 1: and I can't remember the name of it that runs

2396
02:18:11,959 --> 02:18:14,280
Speaker 1: out over the drop off. The drop off is where

2397
02:18:14,320 --> 02:18:17,720
Speaker 1: it goes from like six ft pretty steep pitch down

2398
02:18:17,800 --> 02:18:22,439
Speaker 1: to twelve and then then the drop off goes gradual

2399
02:18:22,640 --> 02:18:25,320
Speaker 1: and the and it's anywhere in the middle from thirteen

2400
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:28,560
Speaker 1: to fourteen feet to get over to uh over by

2401
02:18:28,640 --> 02:18:31,960
Speaker 1: buckskin bend or you might get or you might get

2402
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:36,200
Speaker 1: of water. What's the clarity? Like A can see it

2403
02:18:36,320 --> 02:18:41,240
Speaker 1: pretty good at when I see, I'm gonna reveal some lawbreaking.

2404
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:45,040
Speaker 1: When I was ten, I took possession of a Hawaiian

2405
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:49,520
Speaker 1: of a three prong and early season was very good

2406
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:52,680
Speaker 1: for the three prong for blue gills. I was a

2407
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:55,720
Speaker 1: little kid. And then later in the summer you you

2408
02:18:55,760 --> 02:19:01,120
Speaker 1: really couldn't see good enough to three prong. Okay, if

2409
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:03,200
Speaker 1: you're a lot of alps and you get stirred up

2410
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's natural lakes and here and you generally like

2411
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 1: you generally do better. You see guys like you, guys

2412
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:13,680
Speaker 1: show up and you guys are all flicking off the docks,

2413
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:17,600
Speaker 1: which is cool, um, But the locals who really know

2414
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:19,680
Speaker 1: how to pound it, they're working the edge of the

2415
02:19:19,720 --> 02:19:22,240
Speaker 1: weed bed. Yeah, it depends on the time of here.

2416
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:25,360
Speaker 1: But guys like you show up who watched too much

2417
02:19:25,440 --> 02:19:31,480
Speaker 1: bass TV. They're flicking docks. It's not a big lake.

2418
02:19:31,879 --> 02:19:34,200
Speaker 1: You can swim across the lake like and not. It's

2419
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,800
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. It's not like, oh

2420
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:40,119
Speaker 1: my god, Bob swaying the lake. They'd be like, Bob

2421
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:44,120
Speaker 1: swam across lake. Can of squeeze in some filling questions

2422
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:47,680
Speaker 1: because I think we're running out of it. I got

2423
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:52,440
Speaker 1: I got out of this what I wanted. Oh, I

2424
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:55,720
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, um, Brandon and Carl, if you

2425
02:19:55,840 --> 02:20:00,320
Speaker 1: guys have any fishing etiquette stuff that's like I need

2426
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 1: to share that, send it to me or oh, Chester,

2427
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 1: why don't we just make a can we make a

2428
02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:09,760
Speaker 1: note that we need a thing called chettikott at the

2429
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:12,000
Speaker 1: mediator dot com and then people can just send check

2430
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:15,800
Speaker 1: it in. We got to talk to trust and Byron

2431
02:20:18,120 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 1: dot com. I'd imagine you guys may have some some

2432
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:26,760
Speaker 1: like stuff that you don't need an email Chett. We

2433
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 1: can just straight straight Chester. Wait, tell me real quick.

2434
02:20:32,879 --> 02:20:35,080
Speaker 1: I know one of you guys just mentioned a second ago,

2435
02:20:35,160 --> 02:20:38,440
Speaker 1: how many tournaments are any year, how many you have

2436
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:41,920
Speaker 1: to be in, and just kind of how that little

2437
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:45,880
Speaker 1: deal works in a tight little package hit him with it.

2438
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:50,400
Speaker 1: They like your accent way better. They were trying fish

2439
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,560
Speaker 1: as much as we can. It's like anything, you get better,

2440
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:54,040
Speaker 1: the more you fish, the more you can pay. You

2441
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,680
Speaker 1: just keep sort of getting on a role. But we

2442
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:58,560
Speaker 1: have nine a Late Series events, um so they had

2443
02:20:58,600 --> 02:21:01,160
Speaker 1: a hundred percent ones we're in and and then they

2444
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:03,640
Speaker 1: there's nine open events and we tend to jump in

2445
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:06,680
Speaker 1: some of them, so how they fit in and usually

2446
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:09,520
Speaker 1: will do at least three to six of those, and

2447
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 1: then there's like the US Open, and there's the bass

2448
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 1: Master Classic, and then sometimes there's been the ao Y Championships.

2449
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:19,760
Speaker 1: So what what when you fish seven in a row,

2450
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:26,800
Speaker 1: you're looking at between between February and September. It's crammed

2451
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:29,680
Speaker 1: in and you put it roughly a week into each tournament,

2452
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:33,200
Speaker 1: three days of practice, four days of the event. If

2453
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:36,120
Speaker 1: you can do well, it's your fish a lot. Yeah,

2454
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 1: you're just going, going, going. You're driving from Florida, then

2455
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:42,520
Speaker 1: the next events in Tennessee, next events in New York,

2456
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:46,840
Speaker 1: another one New York, Michigan, down to Texas when we've

2457
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:49,920
Speaker 1: gone out to California before. So you're almost a professional

2458
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:52,000
Speaker 1: truck driver by the end of the year you're putting

2459
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:56,680
Speaker 1: sometimes miles you can do up to that. You only

2460
02:21:56,760 --> 02:21:59,720
Speaker 1: know how I'm done asking questions. I was done ask

2461
02:22:00,040 --> 02:22:03,440
Speaker 1: since can you ask them? Are they able to get

2462
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:07,640
Speaker 1: that basketball over to my mouth's house? I'll answer for

2463
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:11,680
Speaker 1: they'll figure out a way. Um, can you guys quickly

2464
02:22:11,800 --> 02:22:14,600
Speaker 1: just break down a four day tournament for our listeners?

2465
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Like day one? How many people? Because there's like cuts

2466
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:20,840
Speaker 1: and yep, for sure, great question. So we start with

2467
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:27,879
Speaker 1: roughly dred and because each year it will fluctuate a little,

2468
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:33,680
Speaker 1: but hunter guys and full field first two days and

2469
02:22:33,879 --> 02:22:38,560
Speaker 1: it's accumulative weight, so five fish per day all live.

2470
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,920
Speaker 1: Day two, you know, five fish that total weight of

2471
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:47,880
Speaker 1: those ten fish. Then those top fifty guys or half

2472
02:22:47,959 --> 02:22:51,720
Speaker 1: the field moves on to day three. Oh, some guys

2473
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:55,600
Speaker 1: get sent back no money, so it pays zero pretty

2474
02:22:55,640 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 1: much essentially pays half the field. So you could have

2475
02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:00,400
Speaker 1: paid five grand and then you get nothing back if

2476
02:23:00,440 --> 02:23:03,720
Speaker 1: you didn't perform. Yeah, yeah, and what you invested, well,

2477
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:05,039
Speaker 1: that's when you're talking about. That's when you go home

2478
02:23:05,080 --> 02:23:09,880
Speaker 1: and start watching TV. Next two days you're watching what

2479
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:13,520
Speaker 1: you missed in Toronto. So say top fifty Day three,

2480
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:18,480
Speaker 1: five more fish three day total, top ten guys move

2481
02:23:18,520 --> 02:23:22,280
Speaker 1: on to Day four and then top four on Sunday,

2482
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:26,480
Speaker 1: So be Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. So that water has

2483
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,960
Speaker 1: gone from a hundred dudes flailing the way at it

2484
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 1: to four dudes flailing at ten is the lowest that

2485
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 1: comes very like bad hosting today. Man, And how does

2486
02:23:38,120 --> 02:23:41,080
Speaker 1: how does the point system work? Because there's isn't there,

2487
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:44,400
Speaker 1: Like you get so many points, yeah, hundred for first,

2488
02:23:44,600 --> 02:23:46,320
Speaker 1: and then it just goes down one point from there

2489
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:50,560
Speaker 1: and then those points go towards Angler of the year exactly.

2490
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:54,280
Speaker 1: So each tournament you accumulate those points, you know, similar

2491
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 1: to like NASCAR points race or something like, So Angler

2492
02:23:57,720 --> 02:24:00,960
Speaker 1: the years just points based over the course of those

2493
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:05,400
Speaker 1: nine regular season events. So it's not something like people's

2494
02:24:05,480 --> 02:24:07,920
Speaker 1: choice or like you know, like the hysman, there's like

2495
02:24:08,040 --> 02:24:09,640
Speaker 1: some level of like when you get on that, there's

2496
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:12,240
Speaker 1: some level of subjectivity right from now, it's a it's

2497
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:15,240
Speaker 1: an earned like competitive like the worst guy on the

2498
02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:19,160
Speaker 1: planet could win it, not the worst fisherman, like the

2499
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:24,480
Speaker 1: worst individual, worst human being, like a horrible human being

2500
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:27,240
Speaker 1: theoretically be anger the person you won't drink a beer with,

2501
02:24:27,440 --> 02:24:30,959
Speaker 1: but he's really good at catching back. Among the anglers,

2502
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,520
Speaker 1: it's like Angle of the Year is like is definitely

2503
02:24:33,560 --> 02:24:36,240
Speaker 1: the most hard fought and title le guys, and that's

2504
02:24:36,280 --> 02:24:39,440
Speaker 1: what Brandon won in two thousand seventeen, and so that

2505
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,199
Speaker 1: you're basically the number one bass angler in the world

2506
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,440
Speaker 1: at that stage and that gets you everything. But the

2507
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:47,520
Speaker 1: bass Master Classic is the sort of the pinnacle of

2508
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:50,400
Speaker 1: the sport as far as it's from a spectator. From

2509
02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:54,400
Speaker 1: a spectators point and where the stadiums are full the crowd,

2510
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:57,320
Speaker 1: that's where sort of the dream and the thing comes

2511
02:24:57,400 --> 02:24:59,800
Speaker 1: from kids seeing that because the guys are driving in

2512
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:03,160
Speaker 1: their trucks and boats that the crowds are just massive

2513
02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:07,560
Speaker 1: and like this year alone, what are they doing? So yeah,

2514
02:25:07,640 --> 02:25:10,160
Speaker 1: watching the way and but there's a big trade show

2515
02:25:10,280 --> 02:25:12,640
Speaker 1: before it. So this year a hundred and almost a

2516
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:16,240
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand people walk through the doors over

2517
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:19,600
Speaker 1: three days, and so it was that's a lot of people.

2518
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:22,280
Speaker 1: It's like big tackle show, hundred people. And then the

2519
02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:26,360
Speaker 1: stands are like packed and they watching the guys come

2520
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:28,600
Speaker 1: in way in their fish and then you know the

2521
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:31,440
Speaker 1: winner at the ends, winning three D five hundred thousand dollars,

2522
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:34,800
Speaker 1: but you know that it's it's pretty cool looking from back,

2523
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:36,800
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's what gave me the dream of

2524
02:25:36,840 --> 02:25:39,640
Speaker 1: seeing America and seeing how you can you can basically

2525
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:41,840
Speaker 1: make a living out of bass fishing over here. That's

2526
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 1: what every does. That's interesting. You know my brother in

2527
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:49,360
Speaker 1: laws from I think he's from Queensland to and uh.

2528
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:52,680
Speaker 1: And when when you guys go to school over there,

2529
02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:56,000
Speaker 1: they must teach you when they spell out America, it

2530
02:25:56,200 --> 02:26:01,560
Speaker 1: ends in C A R America like yeah, the en

2531
02:26:01,959 --> 02:26:05,200
Speaker 1: you guys say it. Yeah, there's a there's a few

2532
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:07,040
Speaker 1: things that we do. I forget what it is, but

2533
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:09,160
Speaker 1: there's a rule why we do that. Like if there's

2534
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:13,400
Speaker 1: a vow pass something. My wife's names Kayla, but if

2535
02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:15,840
Speaker 1: I say it in a sentence, I say Kaylor, and

2536
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:17,640
Speaker 1: then if I say it another way, I say Kayla.

2537
02:26:17,959 --> 02:26:21,680
Speaker 1: And so it's but someone her dad actually figured out

2538
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,320
Speaker 1: why we put ours at the end. There's a certain

2539
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:27,040
Speaker 1: way we'll do this. Interesting because my sister's name is

2540
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Mata and when he Joel says it, it's yeah, yeah,

2541
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Like no, man, it's there. There's no R on the end.

2542
02:26:35,080 --> 02:26:37,200
Speaker 1: You're married, you got kids, No, we've got one on

2543
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:41,120
Speaker 1: the way. You're married. I was even married since June.

2544
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:44,680
Speaker 1: To get married in June. It's great. We're together nearly

2545
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:49,000
Speaker 1: ten years. So nothing really changed. Yeah, alright, I got sidetracked.

2546
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:55,840
Speaker 1: There's five fish day one approximately. Everybody wants to know

2547
02:26:56,560 --> 02:26:59,320
Speaker 1: how what's the release process? Like, because they got caught

2548
02:26:59,320 --> 02:27:04,120
Speaker 1: from two miles away? Well, okay, that's so, what's crazy

2549
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:06,080
Speaker 1: that you bring them back home? Well, there's a bunch

2550
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:08,840
Speaker 1: of studies on that. Uh, A lot of the fish

2551
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:13,080
Speaker 1: will travel back. I have no idea how they do it,

2552
02:27:13,560 --> 02:27:18,039
Speaker 1: but they will travel. Especially I think of like an

2553
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:22,560
Speaker 1: ELK migration route, right, Like they travel as migration route

2554
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you haul a boat, I know, but somehow they figure

2555
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:30,200
Speaker 1: out how to go back. It's like some of those

2556
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:34,280
Speaker 1: mountain goats get trapped and transferred and then they make

2557
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:37,520
Speaker 1: it hundreds of But the areas do you get stocked,

2558
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:41,240
Speaker 1: like where the tournaments get run from a really good

2559
02:27:41,320 --> 02:27:44,000
Speaker 1: fishing areas for lots of people, Especially when tournaments get

2560
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:46,360
Speaker 1: run year after year after year, there's a lot of

2561
02:27:46,400 --> 02:27:52,600
Speaker 1: fish getting put in that area. One day there's break

2562
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,160
Speaker 1: down across I'll break it down, like, so we have

2563
02:27:55,440 --> 02:27:59,280
Speaker 1: live wells that are fully oxygenated, cooled everything like in

2564
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:02,119
Speaker 1: our boats. So you put the fish in keep them alive.

2565
02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:05,400
Speaker 1: We have additives and everything that like you know, will

2566
02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:08,480
Speaker 1: kill different bacterias and viruses that they have and keep

2567
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,920
Speaker 1: them healthy. Then we bring him to the way in.

2568
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:15,040
Speaker 1: They go from our boat into these big tanks that

2569
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:20,240
Speaker 1: are then temperature cooled and oxygenized, and we wait backstage

2570
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:23,360
Speaker 1: with our fish in those go to the stage, weigh

2571
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:25,360
Speaker 1: them in, and then they go to a live release boats.

2572
02:28:25,360 --> 02:28:28,000
Speaker 1: So they have a giant pontoon boat that's built that

2573
02:28:28,120 --> 02:28:30,880
Speaker 1: they hauled every tournament that has these giant tanks that

2574
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:34,400
Speaker 1: are big giant live wells that then they put all

2575
02:28:34,440 --> 02:28:36,440
Speaker 1: the bouts in. They launched the boat, and then they

2576
02:28:36,480 --> 02:28:38,800
Speaker 1: go and disperse the fish out in the lake or

2577
02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:43,480
Speaker 1: the river. He eventually gets back. People like where you

2578
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:46,800
Speaker 1: were You've been, Jimmy, I have been on a trip.

2579
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:51,120
Speaker 1: He's like, there must have been people in the stage.

2580
02:28:52,879 --> 02:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Famous I saw the after the Classic this year was Survival, Yeah,

2581
02:28:59,480 --> 02:29:02,720
Speaker 1: and that was and so yeah, a lot of times

2582
02:29:02,879 --> 02:29:08,520
Speaker 1: we have a p that was four in Texas in

2583
02:29:08,680 --> 02:29:13,840
Speaker 1: June when it's you know, hundreds of degrees going back

2584
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:16,040
Speaker 1: into the water and who knows what happens to the

2585
02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:20,200
Speaker 1: next day. Yeah, that's still bad. If you did that

2586
02:29:20,280 --> 02:29:24,200
Speaker 1: with trout, it wouldn't be like that. No way. That's

2587
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:26,959
Speaker 1: why they're cool because they're hardy. They're like they're built

2588
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:32,160
Speaker 1: for like that condent they can they can which is weird,

2589
02:29:32,280 --> 02:29:34,240
Speaker 1: like the way they can be held, the way they

2590
02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:37,160
Speaker 1: can handle the stress and all of that. But it's um,

2591
02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, I always try and think of like the

2592
02:29:41,160 --> 02:29:43,039
Speaker 1: I've always want to ask you, like what you think

2593
02:29:43,080 --> 02:29:45,800
Speaker 1: about tournament fish and like catching relate, like even just

2594
02:29:45,879 --> 02:29:49,400
Speaker 1: catching release because I got zero, Like there's what there's

2595
02:29:49,440 --> 02:29:52,040
Speaker 1: what I like. Yeah, there's like what I personally like

2596
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to do. There's what other people do. Yeah, and that's

2597
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,680
Speaker 1: one of those areas where I could care less other

2598
02:29:57,720 --> 02:30:00,440
Speaker 1: people do. Yeah, sorry I could not here. Let's what

2599
02:30:00,480 --> 02:30:02,600
Speaker 1: other people do. Yeah. Um, when it comes to like

2600
02:30:02,680 --> 02:30:05,320
Speaker 1: letting fish call, that's great just for me personally. Yeah,

2601
02:30:05,360 --> 02:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I like eating fish. Yeah, but what about like do

2602
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:10,280
Speaker 1: ever is there a spacies or anything that you like

2603
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:12,960
Speaker 1: to target to catch and then it's like prestigious tight

2604
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,560
Speaker 1: fish that you would let go all catch one enough

2605
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,120
Speaker 1: to eat and then continue to fish and catch them

2606
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:20,880
Speaker 1: and let the rest go or would you be done

2607
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:24,720
Speaker 1: and leave? We have a small property where we camp,

2608
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:27,600
Speaker 1: so we just we recently got it and it's just

2609
02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:29,760
Speaker 1: like a very small little parcel. But with my family

2610
02:30:29,879 --> 02:30:31,920
Speaker 1: was it's easy for us to take our kids there

2611
02:30:31,959 --> 02:30:34,920
Speaker 1: for the weekend camping. Yeah, it happens to be in uh,

2612
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:41,200
Speaker 1: like it's native cutthroat trout stream. No retention of cutthroat trout. Yeah. Uh,

2613
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:44,400
Speaker 1: my kid, you're not legally not allowed to look that

2614
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:47,840
Speaker 1: protected then that streaming not you can't kill your cuts.

2615
02:30:48,480 --> 02:30:53,360
Speaker 1: My kid like he don't have anything go. Yeah, but

2616
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:59,120
Speaker 1: he developed, like when you get that from. Over the

2617
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:01,280
Speaker 1: course of summer, it was fun. We like would catch

2618
02:31:01,360 --> 02:31:04,880
Speaker 1: fish and we had a thing where they caught the

2619
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:08,600
Speaker 1: same fish who lives behind a beaver pond so much

2620
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 1: that I had to say no more catching that fish

2621
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:14,200
Speaker 1: this summer. It was a very distinct. They caught that

2622
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:16,920
Speaker 1: fish all the time. If they weren't catching it, they'd

2623
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:19,960
Speaker 1: be over there feeding at grasshoppers. Yeah, like throwing it

2624
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:21,560
Speaker 1: in it flows down to eat it. And I antually

2625
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:25,160
Speaker 1: said stock catching that fish, Like, go catch a different fish. Um.

2626
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:26,879
Speaker 1: It was kind of like it was fun to watch,

2627
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:28,760
Speaker 1: like they very quickly got used to it, and they

2628
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:32,000
Speaker 1: love to go catch the fish and like pinched barbs,

2629
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:35,440
Speaker 1: dry flies only you know. Um no, like I would

2630
02:31:35,480 --> 02:31:38,800
Speaker 1: wake up very excited to go like explore around catching cuts.

2631
02:31:38,879 --> 02:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Let him go, Jeffy doesn't bother me. But um, when

2632
02:31:42,200 --> 02:31:46,320
Speaker 1: we sit down and eat dinner at night, Uh, I

2633
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:48,240
Speaker 1: like to eat stuff we caught. I'm not gonna go

2634
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:50,320
Speaker 1: catch things. Let them go, then go buy some ships

2635
02:31:50,360 --> 02:31:54,040
Speaker 1: someone else caught. Yeah. It just seems like goofy to me. Yeah. Yeah,

2636
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know a lot of guys that

2637
02:31:55,480 --> 02:31:57,600
Speaker 1: won't kill a fish. But when I've been to a

2638
02:31:57,640 --> 02:32:00,240
Speaker 1: restaurant with them and the sons of bitches order fish, yeah,

2639
02:32:00,280 --> 02:32:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm like what what like, why is that fish gotta die?

2640
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:08,040
Speaker 1: But not your fish? Yeah? What's like, what's so unspecial

2641
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:11,840
Speaker 1: about that fish? Yeah? I mean, but like, but like

2642
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:16,360
Speaker 1: if the whole world stopped catching and keeping fish and

2643
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:19,080
Speaker 1: they didn't like change my rules around, I would view

2644
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,800
Speaker 1: it as a positive because I have more fish catch

2645
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, no condemnation, it's it's it's just way

2646
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:30,560
Speaker 1: lucky to leave. I guess in a country, a couple

2647
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:32,280
Speaker 1: of countries, way you can catch fish and then just

2648
02:32:32,400 --> 02:32:34,160
Speaker 1: let them go and freedom to let them go. Just

2649
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:39,680
Speaker 1: like I got a real quick question. Um, there's a

2650
02:32:39,800 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 1: kid in this like four thousand person arena watch and

2651
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:45,720
Speaker 1: you like hold up these bass and they see like

2652
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 1: all the trucks and all the boats and all the money,

2653
02:32:48,440 --> 02:32:50,840
Speaker 1: and they go, well, shoot, that's what I want to do.

2654
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I want to I want to be that guy. If

2655
02:32:54,800 --> 02:33:00,200
Speaker 1: you were to give that kid some very realistic advice about, uh,

2656
02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:04,440
Speaker 1: how you might think that he might go about it,

2657
02:33:05,480 --> 02:33:07,400
Speaker 1: and explain to him in no one certain terms the

2658
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:10,760
Speaker 1: reality of what might happen should he pursue that. What

2659
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:14,680
Speaker 1: would you tell that kid? Your entire life, in the

2660
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:20,240
Speaker 1: direction it goes, is made up of small decisions that

2661
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:23,880
Speaker 1: you make daily. Right, every single day, we have to

2662
02:33:23,959 --> 02:33:27,200
Speaker 1: make decisions what time you're gonna wake up, what you're

2663
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:30,120
Speaker 1: gonna order make for breakfast, Like your entire life is

2664
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:34,200
Speaker 1: made up of decisions. Those decisions that you make will

2665
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:37,720
Speaker 1: determine how successful you are and where you go. So

2666
02:33:37,800 --> 02:33:39,960
Speaker 1: if there's a little kid and he decides that that's

2667
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:43,039
Speaker 1: what you want to do, those decisions that you make

2668
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:46,760
Speaker 1: from that point moving forward will be the difference maker

2669
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:50,119
Speaker 1: in whether or not you achieve that dream. Um, because

2670
02:33:50,200 --> 02:33:52,280
Speaker 1: it will never be handed to you. And so you

2671
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:55,480
Speaker 1: have to be willing to sacrifice going out on a

2672
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Friday night with your buddies because you have a tournament

2673
02:33:58,360 --> 02:34:01,640
Speaker 1: on Saturday. You know. The those are those little things

2674
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 1: add up over time, right, like not giving into that

2675
02:34:04,879 --> 02:34:08,640
Speaker 1: peer pressure of things, of keeping that focus on that

2676
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:12,360
Speaker 1: goal no matter how long term it is. But you

2677
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:16,840
Speaker 1: achieve those by the small daily decisions and habits that

2678
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:21,800
Speaker 1: you do. Be like I'm gonna be a I'm gonna

2679
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:26,880
Speaker 1: work for the CIA, and tonight I'm gonna drink and drive. Nope,

2680
02:34:27,080 --> 02:34:31,360
Speaker 1: not the name, but that's that's what you have to do. Um,

2681
02:34:31,720 --> 02:34:34,920
Speaker 1: would you be like encouraging of pursuing like that kind

2682
02:34:34,959 --> 02:34:40,840
Speaker 1: of lifestyle. So, the way I explain it, um catching

2683
02:34:40,879 --> 02:34:54,720
Speaker 1: a couple of Uh, The way I explained it is

2684
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:59,680
Speaker 1: that you have to physically and mentally not be able

2685
02:34:59,720 --> 02:35:03,840
Speaker 1: to live without it because it is a losing battle. Um.

2686
02:35:04,200 --> 02:35:09,199
Speaker 1: So even Kevin van dam Kalamazoom Michigan, the winningest angler

2687
02:35:10,040 --> 02:35:14,280
Speaker 1: ever to fish, has lost more than he's ever won

2688
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,560
Speaker 1: in events. And so if you just love to do

2689
02:35:18,760 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 1: something and you get kicked in the teeth that much,

2690
02:35:22,840 --> 02:35:25,640
Speaker 1: you'll learn not to love it, and so you physically

2691
02:35:25,640 --> 02:35:27,440
Speaker 1: and mentally have to not be able to live without it.

2692
02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Two go at it at that level, right, there's a

2693
02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:36,520
Speaker 1: difference between doing it recreationally fishing local tournaments and doing

2694
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:40,000
Speaker 1: it at the highest level. Yeah, you have to literally

2695
02:35:40,680 --> 02:35:43,520
Speaker 1: can't live without it. Otherwise the brick walls and setbacks

2696
02:35:43,560 --> 02:35:45,960
Speaker 1: will just be too much. You'll just you'll once it

2697
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:49,120
Speaker 1: gets too hard, you'll stop and turn around. So that's

2698
02:35:49,160 --> 02:35:51,640
Speaker 1: been that's been the only raising all of our us

2699
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:53,480
Speaker 1: two a seat and years. We just went through the

2700
02:35:53,560 --> 02:35:55,959
Speaker 1: storm a little bit further than what the rest were

2701
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:59,000
Speaker 1: willing to do kind of thing. But it's a balance.

2702
02:35:59,160 --> 02:36:01,120
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like a fighters kid though, Like

2703
02:36:01,240 --> 02:36:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, a fighter like fights and then he kind

2704
02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:06,160
Speaker 1: of doesn't want his kid to do it because he

2705
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:09,960
Speaker 1: knows what it took to get through that. But I

2706
02:36:10,120 --> 02:36:12,560
Speaker 1: kind of that That's where the most difficult thing is

2707
02:36:12,680 --> 02:36:15,080
Speaker 1: is like you want to tell the realities, like what

2708
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:17,440
Speaker 1: you said of what potentially could happen, but you don't

2709
02:36:17,480 --> 02:36:20,480
Speaker 1: want to deter a kid. And like, but also most

2710
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:22,520
Speaker 1: of us got told that would be nothing. You know,

2711
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:23,760
Speaker 1: I got told that I was going to be a

2712
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:26,640
Speaker 1: stop going man. If I kept fishing, and my teachers

2713
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:30,120
Speaker 1: and people around you and like hundreds and hundreds of

2714
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:33,200
Speaker 1: people your whole life, and that was my fuel, so

2715
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of you know, if they didn't tell me that,

2716
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:38,320
Speaker 1: and they kept telling me I can just go fishing,

2717
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe I would have just sort of got a bit

2718
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:42,440
Speaker 1: soft on it. But because they were so hard on it,

2719
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:45,560
Speaker 1: I was like, if I fail, they win, So I've

2720
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,480
Speaker 1: got to go through this. Yeah, You've got to be

2721
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:50,320
Speaker 1: like the intersection of like passion and compulsion would be hard.

2722
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:52,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how to tell a kid like

2723
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:54,880
Speaker 1: not to pursure it. You want to tell them like

2724
02:36:55,080 --> 02:36:56,880
Speaker 1: this is It's the greatest sport in the world. I

2725
02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:58,560
Speaker 1: love it. I wouldn't have it any other way. It's

2726
02:36:58,600 --> 02:37:00,800
Speaker 1: given us so many opportunities as we're sitting here with

2727
02:37:01,240 --> 02:37:07,880
Speaker 1: traveling the country, with fishing, fishing, and just it's the

2728
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:10,800
Speaker 1: most unbelievable thing. But it's also the most difficult thing

2729
02:37:10,840 --> 02:37:12,880
Speaker 1: I've ever done in my life and the most upsetting

2730
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 1: and gut wrenching and sacrifice not seeing family and like

2731
02:37:16,440 --> 02:37:19,480
Speaker 1: that disappointment of like you know, I went, I went,

2732
02:37:19,800 --> 02:37:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, eight years here of not even coming close

2733
02:37:23,320 --> 02:37:26,720
Speaker 1: to anything, like just crawled up in a ball, like crying,

2734
02:37:26,920 --> 02:37:30,279
Speaker 1: like you're gonna lose everything. Like that's how bad it gets.

2735
02:37:30,680 --> 02:37:33,320
Speaker 1: And I've just gotten through that and out the other

2736
02:37:33,400 --> 02:37:36,080
Speaker 1: side of it. In two thousand nineteen, I won my

2737
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,520
Speaker 1: first Elite Series event. My whole life turned around. It

2738
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:40,520
Speaker 1: was a slight, man. I was about to give up.

2739
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:47,520
Speaker 1: It's good. Yeah, So that's the one piece of career

2740
02:37:47,560 --> 02:37:50,880
Speaker 1: advice I've worked up. Is remarkably similar to Brandon's career advice,

2741
02:37:50,959 --> 02:37:54,480
Speaker 1: where and I didn't follow my own career advice, but um,

2742
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I would see people when I was in school, studying

2743
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:00,520
Speaker 1: year writer. I would see people that had Plan B.

2744
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:04,680
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, and the plan B was like

2745
02:38:05,879 --> 02:38:09,440
Speaker 1: inevitably and like invariably. The plan B was like seductive

2746
02:38:09,440 --> 02:38:13,960
Speaker 1: because it was so easy. Yeah, and really talented people, man,

2747
02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:18,800
Speaker 1: but they'd come out of the program and it's like

2748
02:38:18,879 --> 02:38:21,680
Speaker 1: that that B was so fre contempting and they would

2749
02:38:21,720 --> 02:38:24,680
Speaker 1: just do the B. Yeah, I got funny. I could

2750
02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:27,120
Speaker 1: like spend years not making any money and like living

2751
02:38:27,160 --> 02:38:29,680
Speaker 1: to my brother's basement, or I could just go to

2752
02:38:29,720 --> 02:38:32,360
Speaker 1: work for my family's card dealership, you know, and I

2753
02:38:32,440 --> 02:38:35,440
Speaker 1: wanted it was just too seductive. Yeah, my mom wanted

2754
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:38,160
Speaker 1: me to go to college because she said, you know,

2755
02:38:38,400 --> 02:38:41,959
Speaker 1: you should probably have a plan B. And I looked

2756
02:38:41,959 --> 02:38:43,640
Speaker 1: at it, and I said, why do I need a

2757
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:45,680
Speaker 1: plan B if I don't plan on failing at plan A?

2758
02:38:47,440 --> 02:38:49,760
Speaker 1: You know? And I mean but that, like I had

2759
02:38:49,879 --> 02:38:52,600
Speaker 1: that mentality eight. But that's what you have to have,

2760
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:55,520
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be fishing right, be anything.

2761
02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,280
Speaker 1: I think our whole country would have been a better

2762
02:38:59,360 --> 02:39:02,560
Speaker 1: place if more people pursued what they were passionate about

2763
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,680
Speaker 1: and didn't just go work a job to get a paycheck.

2764
02:39:06,680 --> 02:39:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be happy that way I had until

2765
02:39:08,959 --> 02:39:10,480
Speaker 1: I was twenty two. I was like going to be

2766
02:39:10,520 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 1: a professional fur trapper. Failing that, I would be a writer.

2767
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:19,200
Speaker 1: And then I switched to like a plan writer, no

2768
02:39:19,360 --> 02:39:24,960
Speaker 1: by plan, and then like morphed them together, did both

2769
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:28,120
Speaker 1: of them like plan C was like I'll win at both.

2770
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Another thing that helps is UM, you mentioned your mom

2771
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:33,720
Speaker 1: thought you should go to college. But I always had

2772
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:36,640
Speaker 1: the luxury where you didn't have wan didn't make any money.

2773
02:39:37,480 --> 02:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Um for years, I had the luxury where I was

2774
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:44,560
Speaker 1: like very celebrated in my family by my mom and dad.

2775
02:39:44,879 --> 02:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was just phenomenal. Yeah, there's never any

2776
02:39:47,440 --> 02:39:49,920
Speaker 1: of that, like you should get a real but I

2777
02:39:49,959 --> 02:39:52,360
Speaker 1: thought was cool as ship, you know what I mean. Yeah,

2778
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:54,480
Speaker 1: my parents are super supported, Like I wanted you to

2779
02:39:54,520 --> 02:39:56,680
Speaker 1: be a lawyer. Yeah, I never had to deal any

2780
02:39:56,680 --> 02:39:58,800
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. The only reason I'm able to do

2781
02:39:58,959 --> 02:40:03,160
Speaker 1: what I do is because my mom taught he's super on,

2782
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:07,640
Speaker 1: like super early on, to chase what whatever you're passionate about,

2783
02:40:07,959 --> 02:40:09,640
Speaker 1: right like it was. It was never like you need

2784
02:40:09,720 --> 02:40:14,240
Speaker 1: to have a real job. She just I think understood,

2785
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:16,920
Speaker 1: and I don't falter for it. But like being a parent,

2786
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:19,560
Speaker 1: say you live in North Idaho and you want to

2787
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:23,920
Speaker 1: be a professional baptisher man, she understood the realities. I

2788
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:27,640
Speaker 1: was living in fantasy Like I didn't understand that, So

2789
02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't falter for it at all. Like do you

2790
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:34,280
Speaker 1: see an eye hopper? I mean I get it, I

2791
02:40:34,400 --> 02:40:37,320
Speaker 1: get it. I got a good way to get out

2792
02:40:37,360 --> 02:40:42,560
Speaker 1: of here. Last, but not least, with all of this

2793
02:40:42,879 --> 02:40:47,560
Speaker 1: on the line, are you guys clinch or improved clinch? Guys, Yeah,

2794
02:40:47,680 --> 02:40:51,840
Speaker 1: clinch or improved clinch or either. I know the answers neither.

2795
02:40:51,879 --> 02:40:56,840
Speaker 1: There's no way you guys can finish those two, not yeah,

2796
02:40:56,920 --> 02:41:00,800
Speaker 1: tye polymer like a time on every anything except for

2797
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:08,280
Speaker 1: one technique punching San Diego jams but not the Yeah,

2798
02:41:08,320 --> 02:41:10,560
Speaker 1: I looked that one up, sang jam. Not. I think

2799
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 1: that's the strongest, not that you can San Diego, San

2800
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:18,600
Speaker 1: Diego jam. Yeah. Sometimes that sounds like a sture, just

2801
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:23,560
Speaker 1: getting ripped on that chester. What do you think about that,

2802
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:28,040
Speaker 1: San Diego jam Um, I think that's great. What you

2803
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:34,680
Speaker 1: want to do, I tie um just to improved clinch.

2804
02:41:35,240 --> 02:41:37,520
Speaker 1: But I was just fly fishing and that's just kind

2805
02:41:37,560 --> 02:41:39,600
Speaker 1: of what I did. But I'm a UNI man myself.

2806
02:41:39,720 --> 02:41:41,440
Speaker 1: Was it you guys like the Union? Not I used

2807
02:41:41,480 --> 02:41:45,360
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you know, to Flora, But what do you

2808
02:41:45,400 --> 02:41:48,080
Speaker 1: do for Brad to Flora? Now I had crazy, Alberto,

2809
02:41:48,120 --> 02:41:53,039
Speaker 1: because I've only got ten fingers and tent toes. Carl

2810
02:41:53,160 --> 02:41:56,880
Speaker 1: ties f g not hold tell me that, not for

2811
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:58,960
Speaker 1: UNI to Brad, for Brady to Uni. That you look,

2812
02:41:59,080 --> 02:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for read the floor, Alberta. There's a bunch

2813
02:42:02,840 --> 02:42:05,160
Speaker 1: of like easy ones, but like it's the hardest not

2814
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:08,160
Speaker 1: to tie because braid cuts into your leader fluoro carbon

2815
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:09,720
Speaker 1: any other way that you do it. When you put

2816
02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:12,920
Speaker 1: braid across a fluoro carbon. It's going to weaken the

2817
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:15,560
Speaker 1: fluora carbon and break no matter which way you do it,

2818
02:42:15,959 --> 02:42:18,560
Speaker 1: and so years ago. The reason a lot of my

2819
02:42:18,680 --> 02:42:21,280
Speaker 1: success is because of that, not because the night tirees.

2820
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:23,600
Speaker 1: F G knot. It doesn't break in years past when

2821
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:26,640
Speaker 1: you need a UNI. It broke all the time on

2822
02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:29,879
Speaker 1: a hook set, especially when bite, hook, bang and break.

2823
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:33,040
Speaker 1: That's the weak spot. F G knot is a hundred percent.

2824
02:42:33,200 --> 02:42:35,680
Speaker 1: So it's like the only knot braid leader that's our

2825
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:41,160
Speaker 1: actually but comes from seawater. Yeah, it's it's the slim Beauty. Yeah,

2826
02:42:41,240 --> 02:42:43,120
Speaker 1: Slim Beauty was always a good one that I used

2827
02:42:43,160 --> 02:42:46,400
Speaker 1: to tie until the f G. But the FSA it

2828
02:42:46,560 --> 02:42:49,320
Speaker 1: like plats the braid and the fluora carbon together and

2829
02:42:49,360 --> 02:42:51,560
Speaker 1: there's no knot in it. So the fluora carbon is

2830
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:54,360
Speaker 1: dead straight and the braids platted over the top of

2831
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:58,480
Speaker 1: it and then grips into it, goes through the guy's real. Yeah,

2832
02:42:58,480 --> 02:43:00,720
Speaker 1: and then it's been so you can have like a

2833
02:43:00,760 --> 02:43:02,879
Speaker 1: twenty ft later in cost and they'll just get three.

2834
02:43:03,879 --> 02:43:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm learning that right there. If we gotta get it's

2835
02:43:12,280 --> 02:43:15,400
Speaker 1: a not a great launch on my mom's like if

2836
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:17,400
Speaker 1: it comes out, if it comes down to it and

2837
02:43:17,440 --> 02:43:19,560
Speaker 1: we gotta get your boat on a couple of slings

2838
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:21,240
Speaker 1: and drive it down and drop it in with a

2839
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:24,480
Speaker 1: piece of heavy equipment. You don't care, right, I mean,

2840
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm willing to get in the water if if it's

2841
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:31,320
Speaker 1: a normal like if there's any kind of we can depth,

2842
02:43:31,480 --> 02:43:33,240
Speaker 1: we can put it in with the trucks, like we

2843
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:36,119
Speaker 1: can put it into some rough spots. It just depends

2844
02:43:36,160 --> 02:43:38,960
Speaker 1: how mighty it is, like if we'll get bugged. But

2845
02:43:40,360 --> 02:43:42,640
Speaker 1: here's my last question. Me and Johanni are going, uh,

2846
02:43:42,920 --> 02:43:45,240
Speaker 1: which we're gonna become. We're gonna try to become World

2847
02:43:45,360 --> 02:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Slam uh turkey holders. Yeah, well that's not true because

2848
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I've got a long ways to go after I get

2849
02:43:51,720 --> 02:43:54,960
Speaker 1: that bird. You. Yeah, I thought you were there. No,

2850
02:43:55,160 --> 02:43:57,240
Speaker 1: I haven't killed the Goulds or I was gonna say,

2851
02:43:57,280 --> 02:43:59,240
Speaker 1: do you think me and should get matching World Slam

2852
02:43:59,320 --> 02:44:04,320
Speaker 1: turkey holder tattoos? But we'll ask you that the dude,

2853
02:44:04,360 --> 02:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. Man. I told my wife you don't

2854
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:09,120
Speaker 1: like it one bit, But all right, thanks guys, this

2855
02:44:09,280 --> 02:44:10,920
Speaker 1: great man. I can't wait to go fishing and then

2856
02:44:10,959 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 1: do our thing with the buckets. We appreciate Bani. How

2857
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:19,400
Speaker 1: do we find you guys online. Um, just social handles

2858
02:44:19,520 --> 02:44:25,879
Speaker 1: is Carl Jocolinson, Instagram, Facebook, website, YouTube, same name, man,

2859
02:44:25,959 --> 02:44:29,760
Speaker 1: you make it easy. My website and my YouTube are

2860
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:35,440
Speaker 1: bm P fishing and then all my social handles are Brandon,

2861
02:44:35,480 --> 02:44:39,960
Speaker 1: Paul Nick that's p A l A and I UK Parliament. Yeah,

2862
02:44:40,360 --> 02:44:43,720
Speaker 1: it's really confusing. Definitely check them out in great episode.

2863
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Great for me. It's good stuff on. You're not gonna

2864
02:44:48,480 --> 02:44:49,959
Speaker 1: like it when you see at a time, but once

2865
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:51,879
Speaker 1: you get the hang of it, you'll just so. Yeah,

2866
02:44:51,879 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 1: but I like tanying goofy nuts. Yeah, you'll like it

2867
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:56,720
Speaker 1: just for its own sick and your fingers. It's the

2868
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:58,560
Speaker 1: way you hold it. You've got to have like the

2869
02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:00,800
Speaker 1: braid tight and then you gotta but once you get

2870
02:45:00,879 --> 02:45:02,880
Speaker 1: and I had just watch it on YouTube a couple

2871
02:45:02,879 --> 02:45:08,039
Speaker 1: of times. Dial, I'm gonna learn that South, I'm gonna

2872
02:45:08,040 --> 02:45:10,400
Speaker 1: beat your net wall I turned out alrighty buddy, let's

2873
02:45:10,440 --> 02:45:12,320
Speaker 1: do it alright, guys. Thanks man, it's great you guys

2874
02:45:12,320 --> 02:45:15,440
Speaker 1: shoul come back on again. Thanks for having us. Thanks guys.

2875
02:45:15,560 --> 02:45:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go eat some cheese kurds.