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Speaker 1: Welcome to text Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: and I love all things tech and today we're going

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Speaker 1: to listen to another classic episode of tech Stuff. This

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Speaker 1: one's titled tech Stuff Watches Independence Day. It originally published

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Speaker 1: on July three, two thousand thirteen, seven years ago. Wow. So,

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Speaker 1: as the name suggests, we sat down and watched Independence

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Speaker 1: Day and then we had a discussion about the technology

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Speaker 1: in that film, and you know how it stacks up

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Speaker 1: against reality. I hope you guys enjoy. To start off,

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Speaker 1: we should probably give an overview of the film for

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Speaker 1: those of you who have not seen it. Now, this

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Speaker 1: movie came out in nine Now, there were a few

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Speaker 1: other things that were going on at that time. That

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Speaker 1: It's the year that DVDs launched in Japan. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: when I actually asked my friends if anyone had a

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Speaker 1: copy of this, they all said they had it on

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Speaker 1: vhs and said, hs, we don't even remember that media.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I have anything that will

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Speaker 1: still play a tape. Uh. There were other things that

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Speaker 1: happened that year, in the world of technology, Internet Explorer

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Speaker 1: three launched. That was Microsoft's big browser, and of course

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Speaker 1: releases Windows in T four point it was released by

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Speaker 1: Microsoft as well. eBay got started. A little first person

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Speaker 1: and that ended up, of course getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: people really excited. They enjoyed the game. I include was planned.

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Speaker 1: Y sequel was planned and would end up being vaporware

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Speaker 1: for more than a decade. Uh. There was a certain

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Speaker 1: animal that was born that year. Yeah, Dolly the cloned

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Speaker 1: sheep was born, first first cloned mammal. Yep, Dolly the Sheep,

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Speaker 1: first mammals successfully cloned. That's also the year that IBMS

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Speaker 1: Deep Blue defeated the chess champion, Gary Kasparov, so man

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Speaker 1: versus machine and machine wins. Yeah. It was also the

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Speaker 1: tele Communications Act of strangely enough, happened in UM and

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Speaker 1: and that basically allowed the Internet to sort of be

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Speaker 1: about this new megabit speeds that we're going to start

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Speaker 1: far as the general public is concerned. The Internet itself

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Speaker 1: had been around for a while, but really only research institutions, universities,

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Speaker 1: some government of facilities, military, that kind of stuff. Those

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Speaker 1: go to school someplace that had it. At this point

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Speaker 1: in ninety six, we've actually got the point where the

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Speaker 1: Worldwide Web is a thing, but still very early on

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Speaker 1: in the kind of the g c S era of

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Speaker 1: the Internet exactly. And and according to uh the people

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Speaker 1: one million computers to ten million computers, So obviously explosive

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Speaker 1: growth at this time, although it's still very much a

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Speaker 1: new thing, which kind of comes into play a little

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Speaker 1: bit in the film Independence Day. So Independence Day it

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Speaker 1: was a movie by Dean Devlin and Roland Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Emerick is. Of course, he's become known as the guy

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Speaker 1: who likes to blow up the Earth. Uh. He's blown

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Speaker 1: like everything from Godzilla to the Day After Tomorrow. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's really big on worldwide destruction. And of course we

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Speaker 1: and Independence Day stars some some folks that you might recognize,

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Speaker 1: like Will Smith would be the big name Bill Pullman,

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Speaker 1: Also also Jeff Goldbloom, who was very famous for being

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Speaker 1: case you have not seen it, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: I think it's safety spoil at night. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the statute of let me Yeah. So the movie is

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Speaker 1: And this all happens, of course, on on from July

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Speaker 1: the term Independence Day. It's extremely um, what's it not

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Speaker 1: it this way. It's about America. It's an American movie,

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Speaker 1: just that we have a very very American centric film.

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Speaker 1: because this film is filled with science and technology and

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Speaker 1: But the movie opens with a shot of the Moon

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Speaker 1: quite possible that they're using some sort of gravity draw

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Speaker 1: And we should also say that lots of science fiction

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Speaker 1: happens with the cable station in particular that just drive

428
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Speaker 1: me crazy because I was I I understand again that

429
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Speaker 1: was done for effect, but it made no sense bubble.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a little bit. So you've

431
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: got all these spaceships splitting off, the satellite hits the

432
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: spaceship and there's no visible damage whatsoever. You also don't

433
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: see the force field, but you don't see the force

434
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: field at that point. You just see the satellite bang

435
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: into the spaceship and then go boom. Which does it?

436
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: Does it do it? I don't remember. Does it do

437
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: a green boom or an exploding I don't. I think

438
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: it's an exploding boom, as I recall now. Granted, I

439
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: should add this movie is two hours and twenty minutes

440
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: long something. Yes, So we took turns watching and then

441
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: taking breaks, and then watching, and then playing Borderlines too,

442
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: and then watching and then desperately trying to find something

443
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: else to do, and then watching. Um. I mean I

444
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: watched this movie all the way through in the theater

445
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: when it came out. I love this movie as a teenager.

446
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break from watching Independence Day

447
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: and then slagging on it to thank our sponsors. So uh,

448
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: we didn't have the various people in American government reacting

449
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

450
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: The Secretary Defense wants to blow it out of the

451
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: sky with an ice cub even though I've just said

452
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Speaker 1: that we do not have one that is that big,

453
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Speaker 1: even though maybe it's a secret government program. Now, the

454
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: city sized ships, once those split off, those could I

455
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: would if you're talking about the size of the city,

456
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: then you could take it down. Yeah, you're not doing

457
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: enough damage to it. You could do enough damage to

458
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: it where I seriously think it wouldn't be able to

459
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: maintain flight. I mean nuclear weapons are pending on your

460
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: your engine power source, which we still haven't determined, because

461
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: because these things are city sized and they are hovering

462
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: noiselessly and um and effortlessly like like like they are

463
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: not creating any um any kind of ripples in the

464
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: spacetime continuum as we know. It's right above these cities.

465
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Speaker 1: You've got you've got this ship that's parked over your city.

466
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Speaker 1: But it's not pushing down plane just hanging. Yeah, it's

467
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Speaker 1: not it's not pushing down in any way that would

468
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Speaker 1: make it like if you stepped outside, you wouldn't suddenly

469
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: feel like some weird are suppressing down on you. There's

470
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: no nothing, So we don't know how they're hanging in

471
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: the air like that alien technology. I'll give it to them. Yeah,

472
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: it might as well be magic. So we don't know

473
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Speaker 1: what's going on on that case. We've got the whole

474
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Speaker 1: um Oval Office reaction. One of my favorite little moments

475
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: in this is there's a point where a person brings

476
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Speaker 1: in a silver briefcase to show the president something, Oh yeah, yeah,

477
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: and opens it up and there's like a little it's

478
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: not even a laptop, it's just a screen. It's a

479
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Speaker 1: screen with I don't know. It's supposed to show a readout,

480
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Speaker 1: a radar readout of the ships. I don't know why

481
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: radar is working now. Um, there's no explanation for why

482
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: the radar readout works as opposed to because half the

483
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: time radar is not working and the other half the

484
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Speaker 1: time they talk about a radar readout. Don't know. Maybe

485
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Speaker 1: it's just that the aliens keep forgetting to turn the

486
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Speaker 1: stuff button on. UM. Because these ships are not designed.

487
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: If you've listened to our podcast about stealth technology, you

488
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: know that a part of the way stell technology works

489
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: is just based on the actual physical design of the vehicles.

490
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: They have these weird angular uh designs to them, and

491
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: that makes that makes stuff bounce off of them at

492
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: awkward angles so that you can't receive the signals exactly exactly.

493
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: But these ships are just gigantic flying saucers, so big

494
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: flat services that radar could easily bounce off off They

495
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: have to be able to if if we're talking about

496
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: those gravitational drives or something like that. I never knew

497
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: you were an alien. Apologies, um, but yeah, so so

498
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why the radar sometimes works and sometimes doesn't,

499
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: but it's still kind of interesting here. Uh. There's also

500
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: when the ships are moving into position over the cities,

501
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: there's this weird sheath of fire that's all around them,

502
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: and I was wondering if that was supposed to be

503
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: the representation of these ships entering the Earth's atmosphere. That

504
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: I am, but they don't seem to be moving very quickly,

505
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: so it's almost like they have a very controlled descent

506
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Speaker 1: into Earth's atmosphere. So they wouldn't you know, the whole

507
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: heat and fire stuff would only make sense if they

508
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: were coming in at an incredible speed um, and they're

509
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: creating this amazing amount of pressure as they're coming in,

510
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: and that's what builds up all this heat. Maybe they

511
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: have a fine magnesium powder that's operating their shielding system.

512
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: That's just lighting on fire as they I don't know

513
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: if that's a science factor. Maybe this is just the

514
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: equivalent of painting flames on your hot rod. This is wicked. Cool, guys,

515
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: let's turn the flames on. You know, That's what I'm thinking. Well,

516
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: you know what. We got a lot more to say

517
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: about this movie, but before we do, let's take a

518
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525
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526
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527
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: including one read by orson Freaking Wells. So go check

528
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: that out. Okay, So we've got the ships there over

529
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: the various cities. We've got the everyone's freaking out. No

530
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: one knows exactly what's going on. Yeah, Jeff Goldblum's discovered

531
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: the signal uh, and he figures out this probably some

532
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: sort of coordinated attack. This raises a question in my

533
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: mind that's more of a plot question and less of

534
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: a technology question, which is, I don't understand why the

535
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: attack needs to be incredibly coordinated, because, as is demonstrated

536
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: throughout the film, these aliens have amazing technology that our

537
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: technology just cannot stand up to. Like nothing we have

538
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: puts a denty, It doesn't it doesn't really matter if

539
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: they're going to blow us up simultaneously or at a

540
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: slight leg right right, Why why you even worry about

541
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Speaker 1: targeting the largest cities first, unless it's just to get

542
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Speaker 1: as many people dead as possible, which could just be

543
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: an efficiency thing, which case, all right, I can get

544
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: that they're trying to kill as many people and as

545
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: little time as possible because their ultimate goals to invade

546
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Speaker 1: the planet, and this way they'd wipe out, you know,

547
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: the major centers of population. They're clearly just just bond

548
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: villains really at heart. There again, they're doing it for

549
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: dramatic effect. I wanted to give one of our scientists

550
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: something to latch onto. Yeah, well, in order to make

551
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: us feel like we have a fighting chance. I think

552
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I think the I think the wiping out as many

553
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: people as possible is as much sense as I can

554
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: make of it. But I mean it does make sense

555
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: in a way. If you're if you're talking about clearing

556
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: out an area so that you can then come in

557
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: and and and reap all the benefits, then I understand, like,

558
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: all right, well you wanted to do that. You need

559
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: to hit before everyone realizes what's up, because then they're

560
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: just going to scatter like like cockroaches, and then you

561
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: have to hunt them all down. Yeah. Yeah, this is

562
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Speaker 1: This is also about when when are our satellites, like

563
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Speaker 1: all of our satellite communications start kind of breaking up

564
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and this weird static pattern, which I'm

565
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: not sure is how satellites were satellites were, well they do.

566
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Speaker 1: Some are being destroyed and some of the some of

567
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: the capacity of the satellite was being used to transmit

568
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Speaker 1: this alien signal. I think that the signal would just

569
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Speaker 1: go out. I don't think it would be static anything

570
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: that was destroyed, obviously the signal would go out. The

571
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Speaker 1: uh there. You know, having this idea of an alien

572
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: signal underlying our own signals is interesting. Uh. Depending upon

573
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: the bandwidth of the satellite, I could actually see it

574
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: working in a way where it means that our signals

575
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Speaker 1: are actually weaker. But I don't think it would come

576
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Speaker 1: across exactly the way it did in the movie. There's

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Speaker 1: one point, you know, Jeff Goldblum's character, the brilliant scientist

578
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: guy who is now essentially just working for a cable company,

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Speaker 1: a cable provider. Uh, there's one point where he's talking

580
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Speaker 1: with his his comedic sidekick character who is later on

581
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: obliterated spoiler alert um, Harvey Fierstein, where he's chatting with him,

582
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly a white House announcement comes on the screens,

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Speaker 1: and and and this wall of screens that had previously

584
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Speaker 1: been picking up broadcasts from all different channels. Yeah. Yeah,

585
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: So you think of a like just a wall of

586
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: television screens, and each television screen is showing a different channel,

587
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: and now they're all showing the white House thing. But

588
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: some of them, like groups of nine screens, become one

589
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: big display, so you know, you're there the power Rangers

590
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: or something, and they're all just just building up together. Ultron,

591
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Sorry that's era, but no. Yeah, this idea that you

592
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: know that if you have a block of nine screens,

593
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: the upper left screen is the upper left corner of

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Speaker 1: the full picture. How does that happen? Like, how would

595
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Speaker 1: you how would you would that mean? Like Channel thirty

596
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: two is only showing the upper left corner of the

597
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Speaker 1: alien the alien disruption in our in our communication signal

598
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Speaker 1: is causing our television is to start acting like Vultron again.

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00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: And I completely dismiss your your apologetic response. Yeah, this

600
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: is one of those things where I just thought it

601
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Speaker 1: was ridiculous where you have all these disconnected screens suddenly

602
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: showing a unified display. It just I mean, it was

603
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: clearly there for dramatic effect, but it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: The only way that works is if you have prerecorded

605
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Speaker 1: it and programmed out the screens to show exactly what

606
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Speaker 1: you want when you want it. It doesn't happen over

607
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Speaker 1: a live broadcast where suddenly nine screens gained sentience and

608
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: all work together to bring together the presence words the

609
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Speaker 1: Jeff Goldblum decides he has to go to d C

610
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Speaker 1: to find his ex wife, who now works at the

611
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: White House and also marginally helps save the planet. Right,

612
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's in the process. So he goes with

613
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Speaker 1: his dad, uh, and he and his dad go down

614
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: to DC because Jeff Goldblin' Scaracter doesn't drive a car,

615
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: so he rides with his dad, who does drives very

616
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: slowly comedic effect, and they arrive at d C and

617
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Speaker 1: then he he quote triangulates the position of his wife

618
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Speaker 1: through her cell phone use, which is cell phones in

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Speaker 1: this period where Fox Molder's cell phone. I mean they

620
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: were bricks, they were rare to not everyone had them.

621
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Speaker 1: But but triangulating is probably not the right word here.

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Speaker 1: You could triangulate someone's issue using someone who's using a

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Speaker 1: cell phone. You could triangulate it, particularly if you're the

624
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: cell phone company, but more likely what he was doing

625
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: was at the time, didn't they didn't They kind of

626
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: purposefully scramble a lot of that where it couldn't you

627
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: not really use GPS I GPS GPS does that's not

628
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Speaker 1: even that's not even a thing, Okay, So, I mean

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Speaker 1: GPS is a thing, but not on any civilian cell phone.

630
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Speaker 1: So you could do it just by the cell phone signal,

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Speaker 1: you know, the cell phone sending out radio signals from

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Speaker 1: the phone, because she's on the phone at the time,

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Speaker 1: and the idea is that what he's doing is detecting

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Speaker 1: the radio signal from her phone and then figuring out

635
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Speaker 1: where she is within the context of the White House.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't really triangulate. I mean, to triangulate, you need

637
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Speaker 1: three points. That's kind of the whole idea of triangulation.

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Speaker 1: You need these three sides, and you have to be

639
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: able to know the different angles between you and a cup.

640
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Speaker 1: You need to note at least the distance between you

641
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: and one other point and at least the measurement of

642
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: two angles for you to be able to determine the

643
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: position of whatever is you're looking for. Yeah, and he

644
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: obviously doesn't have all that information. What he was really

645
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: doing was a kind of localization through multilateral radio signals,

646
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: which is possible but is not terribly precise. So in

647
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: other words, he'd be able to say she's in the

648
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: White House, which they already knew. But anyway, again, movie logic, Um,

649
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: we have the whole uh bit of where they're The

650
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: ships actually start to unleash their attack, so at this

651
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: point our various heroes have all started to make their

652
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: way out of the cities. Otherwise the movie over really quickly. Yeah,

653
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: and the spaceships start to beam down energy into the

654
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: cities to wipe them out. We don't know what kind

655
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: of energy it is, some kind of energy weapon. It's

656
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of a green and glowing laser stuff that

657
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: moves slower than light speed. Right, So so it's kind

658
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: of like our podcast about plasma weapons, you know, it's

659
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: similar to that. But we figure all right, so the

660
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: slowing down obviously that's for again traumatic effect, because if

661
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: it was going at light speed, would to speak and

662
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, um, this this was more you know,

663
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: intimidating and frightening. But so let's just assume it's some

664
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: form of laser. There could even be plasma ification going on,

665
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: because if the laser is powerful enough, it could actually

666
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: plasma atmosphere, the atmosphere around the laser. And then you

667
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: see this this explosion from the focal point moving outward

668
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: and it just keeps rolling out like effect pond. Yeah,

669
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: exactly like if you were to throw a rock into

670
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: a pond and you watch those ripples. That's exactly what

671
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: this looks like, except it's just the one ripple, right,

672
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not like a six sequence of them.

673
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: So you see this one ripple moving outward of exclusiveness. Uh,

674
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and it never seems to um to to disperse until

675
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: it gets to like the edge of the city. It

676
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: just keeps going outward, which uh, the blast only happens once,

677
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: like it shoots down once at whatever monument it happens

678
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: to be parked over, because we've already established that's what

679
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: they do. The aliens are kind of they're kind of jerks.

680
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of jerk faces. Not only are

681
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: they destroying our cities, but they have to first hit whatever,

682
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: like uh iconic building or structure is there. They're not

683
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: only we're gonna kill you, we're gonna blow up your stuff,

684
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: like the stuff you like, the stuff that's on your postcards.

685
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: That's what we're blowing up, um because it makes really

686
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: good movie posters. They've been they've been watching watching our

687
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: communication signal and they probably actually had already seen em

688
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: riks future films before he had even made them, and

689
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: they said, that's a good idea. So U because I

690
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: mean it, they're going faster than light. That means they've

691
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: got some time travel stuff going on too. Anyway, this

692
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: this uh, this explosion that moves out where there's The

693
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: scientific problem I have with this is that the energy

694
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to disperse, like they shoot the blast down

695
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: once and then the blast turns off and then you

696
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: just see the the spreading explosion and it never seems

697
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: to be losing energy. But in order for this to

698
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: really work, they'd have to constantly be pouring energy into it,

699
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: because you know, otherwise it would just disperse outward. Heat

700
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: does not stay in a ripple effect. Maybe maybe only

701
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: that initial blast is within the visible spectrum and the

702
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: rest is using some of that graviton technology that they

703
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: clearly have to create some kind of like like magnetic

704
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: gravitational rings, and they're they're using hands out. You know what,

705
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: if you're talking about plasma that works, I will I

706
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: will grant you that, because plasma will respond to magnetic fields.

707
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: So um, okay, I retract my objection. If that's possibly

708
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: what happened, then that's fine. So I did some math

709
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: here where I was trying to determine how many people

710
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: would have theoretically died as a result of these attacks. Right, So,

711
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: assuming that the ships were able to hit most of

712
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: the major cities in the world, and really at first

713
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: they're they're hitting like ten or fifteen of them, uh,

714
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: and then they move on to hit smaller cities like Atlanta.

715
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: Atlanta's in round two, so we don't get off scot

716
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: free in this one. Um. So, in nineteen six the

717
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: world had approximately five point eight billion people. We've got

718
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: quite a few more since then, but five point eight

719
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: billion people in So I assumed that about of the

720
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Speaker 1: world's population were in cities. Now that's a rough assumption.

721
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty it was around thirty percent, and I

722
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand eight when we finally hit

723
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: fifty percent population in urban environments. So between nineteen fifty

724
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: and two thousand and eight, I'm saying, so of the

725
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: world's population in cities, that's about two point three billion

726
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: people total. And then I made a further assumption. I said, alright,

727
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people try to evacuate, So let's say

728
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: that fifty percent of them got out of the city

729
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: and they're safe, and the other fifty percent are still

730
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: within the city when these attacks happen. That means that

731
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: you've got about one point one six billion people left

732
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: left behind those cities. So then I said, all right,

733
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: let's assume a seventy percent fatality rate, meaning that thirty

734
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: percent of the population is able to find some place

735
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: where they're able to hunker down and survive there in

736
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: a bomb shelter, or they're helpful alleyway, if you happen

737
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: to be Will Smith's love interest, thank goodness the dog

738
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: lives um. By the way, this movie not so subtle

739
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: with its emotional manipulation. They use everything children, uh, they

740
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: use dogs. They use the wonderful trope of character who

741
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: has been terribly injured, but not so badly that they

742
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: can't have that one last tender thank you, President Laura Man.

743
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: That's that's the scene I hate the most in this movie,

744
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: and that's saying something anyway, with a seventy percent fatality rate,

745
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: I figured that about that eight hundred and twelve million

746
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: people die as a result of the of this uh,

747
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: of this attack. That's a conservative estimate. Then we've got

748
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: the thing about the alien shields, which we assume are

749
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: probably some form of magnetic or maybe even gravity drive.

750
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: We don't really know that, we don't know about the

751
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: what the energy weapons really are, all right, So that

752
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: that brings us to this whole idea of the roswell

753
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: slash Area fifty one part of the movie, right right,

754
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: because because what happens is they you know, all the

755
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: city start start being blowed up, and uh and and

756
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the president in a bunch of other military persona head

757
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: off to Area fifty one after the secret base after

758
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: just located underground, right, Jeff Goldblum's dad says, hey, you guys,

759
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: you knew about this ever since the thing in Roswell

760
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: and then you hit it an Area fifty one, and

761
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: the President says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

762
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: that's urban legend. It's not it's real. And then the

763
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense is like, well, actually cut to yeah,

764
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. First of all, the president in

765
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: this in this sequence appears to be unaware of the

766
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: actual existence of Area fifty one, which is an actual base.

767
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Is an actual base, although the military didn't really refer

768
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: to it as Area fifty one beyond PSALM designations on

769
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: a map. And the reason that it was called Area

770
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: fifty one is because of its proximity to Nuclear Testing

771
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: Range where they had divided up the range into different areas. Uh.

772
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: It was more known as Groom Lake, which was a

773
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: dry lake bed in Nevada, and it really is a

774
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: real place, but it was used to test experimental and

775
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: secret aircraft, so things like spy planes that were being

776
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: tested by the Air Force were that was the testing

777
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: ground and it was meant to be this secret area

778
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: so that they could do this test without revealing to

779
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: the world. Hey, this is what we're working on. UM.

780
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: But it doesn't actually have any connection to Roswell, And

781
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: in fact, Roswell, New Mexico, and Groomla, Nevada are not

782
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: close to each other, although there there are theorists who

783
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: have said that that that any potential crash landings at

784
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: Roswell were brought to a secret underground base at area,

785
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: essentially shipped across state lines to go to this secret

786
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: underground base. Uh. But you know the Roswell event. By

787
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: the way, in case you're not familiar with that, this

788
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: is an event that happened, uh in the I think

789
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: it was in the fifties where uh, a resident of

790
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: New Mexico, thank you. Yes, it's a little earlier than

791
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking, son, a resident of essentially Roswell, New Mexico,

792
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: came across this weird stuff. It was a shiny stuff

793
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: that had UM. It was in a little pile on

794
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: the ground and for a while people were assuming that

795
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: it was some form of UFO from outer space that

796
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: had crashed landed on the Earth. Later on, much later on,

797
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the military said that what this was was part of

798
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Operation Mogul, which was a spy balloon initiative. It was

799
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: testing out using balloons as spy vehicles to to get

800
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: information and radioed back to some other place. And uh,

801
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: there are plenty of conspiracy theorist who don't accept that

802
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: and who would say that that's not that's not the

803
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: right answer. Although you know, the military for a while

804
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: was very much quiet about what this actually was, but

805
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: then it was because it was a spy program, so

806
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: you don't really want to let everyone know. Yeah, it

807
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: was during the Cold War, you know, people were trying

808
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to keep things under wraps. So yeah, you know, we've

809
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: seen in recent events how people don't want spy information

810
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: to get out to the general public. But that's an

811
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: entirely different podcast that we do plan on recording, so

812
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: we want to have enough time to be able to

813
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: really cover that in great detail. If you don't know

814
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, just look up in Essay and

815
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Prism and that will be this a little preview for

816
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: a future episode of Tech Stuff. Anyway, in this film,

817
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: they take the assumption that the space ship crash and

818
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: Roswell was in fact an alien spaceship. It was not

819
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: some balloon. It was in fact one of these aliens spaceships,

820
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: and it was. There are three levels of spaceship and

821
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: independent stay. There is the mother ship, which is the

822
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: kiometer diameter ship hanging out and by the moon. There

823
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: are the city sized ships that hover directly over city,

824
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: thus making it easy to tell how big they are

825
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: because you just look at and say, that's the size

826
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: of the city. Uh, not terribly precise, but you know,

827
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: gets the point across. Then you have the fighter ships.

828
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: These are like the tiny little ones that are kind

829
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: of a similar to jet fighters here on Earth. That's

830
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of their purpose, at least in the film, that's

831
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: what it seems to be. So it was one of

832
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: those smaller ones that had apparently crashed in Roswell. And

833
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: then they move the ship and its inhabitants, who two

834
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: of whom are dead and the third one who dies

835
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: a few days later, back over to Area fifty one

836
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: in Nevada Underground. So the President is alerted that in fact,

837
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: all of this stuff actually did happen, and he says, well,

838
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: why wasn't I told, And they'd say plausible deniability, so

839
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: that if anyone asked you, you would honestly say that

840
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist because as far as you know, it doesn't.

841
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: Although to be fair that the way that security clearance

842
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: is work. Just because someone has the highest possible security

843
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: clearance does that it's it's it's um, what's the word

844
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Compartmentalized. Yes, it is very much compartmentalized.

845
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: So just because someone has got the highest levels of

846
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: security clearance doesn't mean that they actually have all the information. Uh,

847
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: you still have to go through all the different channels

848
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: to get it anyway. Uh. So they go to Area

849
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: fifty one where they find a state of the art

850
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: scientific lab where people are top men are working on

851
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: determining nerds. BNT Spiner with long gray hair and glasses

852
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: uh and and coming across as like the the typical

853
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: science geek character with no or limited social So anyway,

854
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: he shows off the ship, which they said has suddenly

855
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: become active once the the other ships have come into

856
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the proximity of Earth. And that's actually really cool. This

857
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: this concept of of the ships having some kind of

858
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: mesh network. Yeah, yeah, this this is one of those

859
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: things where I think Independence Day really got it right

860
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: to the point where this is a really cool idea.

861
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: It's this idea of this entire force, this this spaceship

862
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: force that is working on some form of what I

863
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: presume is radio frequency, where that they are communicating all

864
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: with each other so that there can be a truly

865
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: coordinated effort on the part of the entire force. So

866
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: this includes everything from power to communications. So when the

867
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: the fleet gets within the right range of Earth, this

868
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: ship starts to react and we have mesh networks. Now,

869
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: back we really didn't have mesh networks the way we

870
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: do now. But now we've got networks where you can

871
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: have elements of that network join and drop out, uh,

872
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: spontaneously throughout an entire you know, period of time, whatever

873
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: that period of time you want to be like, uh,

874
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can think of a mesh network from

875
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: everything from a personal size mesh network, so you're talking

876
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: about like Bluetooth devices that can seamlessly link in and

877
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: link out of it to citywide mesh networks if you

878
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: really wanted to. We talk about smart cars and this

879
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: idea of a smart grid where the cars can kind

880
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: of maneuver through a city autonomously that's essentially a mesh

881
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: network where every single car is a part of it.

882
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: So this is actually an idea that I thought was

883
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: ahead of its time and made sense. Yeah, So, I mean,

884
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: kudos to them for coming up with us, because it

885
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: really was a cool idea that we're actually seeing put

886
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: into place in a different implementation. Obviously, we haven't invaded

887
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: any alien planets as far as I'm aware, but we

888
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: have started to use this kind of approach, right right. Yeah, Although,

889
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: while while we're on the topic of grids, I I

890
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: did want to kind of point out that no one

891
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: ever really talks about the fact that if you destroy

892
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: this many major metropolitan areas, that the electrical grid would

893
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: probably be not host not good. Yeah, that's true. We

894
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: don't know where every one's getting their power point. Yeah,

895
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: and you can assume that area have its own generators,

896
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: but right, right, right, yeah, And but and some of

897
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: these army bases I suppose have access to power from

898
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: other places. I mean, most most of these military bases

899
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: I suspect do not have their own power generating facilities.

900
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: We'll be right back talking more about Independence Day, but

901
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: first let's take another quick break. We also know that

902
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: global communications are down, so they get around that by

903
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: using telegraph wires Morse code, and they use Morse code. Uh.

904
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I assume they're using Morse code simply because the telegraph

905
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: wires are the most reliable means of communicating, rather than

906
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: some way of masking the communication from aliens. How it

907
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: seems like a little bit of both, which confuses me.

908
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: On on a you're you're still conveying information electrically and transcontinentally.

909
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Um is a really long I mean, I don't know.

910
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: I just I find it implausible that that wire would

911
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: have survived. It's well, if it's all underwater, if it's

912
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: under the ocean, then it is possible that the that

913
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: at least some of the telegraph wires have have managed

914
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: to survive, like at least some communication lines have survived,

915
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: the Transatlantic lines. Actually anything that is under the ocean.

916
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: I have no problem believing that that survived, whether it

917
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: survived enough nodes so that you could have a dedicated connection.

918
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: But that's one of the good things about the Internet,

919
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: and and it's something that I think we easily look over.

920
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: It's the idea that the way that the transmission protocols

921
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: were designed for the Internet. Means that if you were

922
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: to lose a large part of the Internet, information could

923
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: still because because it can, it can dynamically route across

924
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: different networks. Now telegraphs, So that's different, right, that's not

925
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: that's not divided up into packets of information like an

926
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: email is. It's sent as a direct sign all um.

927
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: But I assume that they weren't really trying to mask

928
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: their communications. But if they were, Morse code is not

929
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: that difficult to crack. Yeah, it's just a code. All

930
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: it is is replacing letters with particular uh, a particular

931
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: dash and dot combination. Certainly, if these aliens can can

932
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: crack art our satellite communication systems, then they could definitely code,

933
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: especially if if they've had any contact with humans where

934
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: they understand the concept. Because they do, they do give

935
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: you that that feeling that whenever an alien makes telepathic

936
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 1: contact with a human, which we see in this area

937
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: fifty one scene Brent Spiner, Uh, he gets his his

938
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: brain all taken over and the president does too. Briefly

939
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: by a telepathic alien, that knowledge is shared that the

940
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: the person who has the telepathic communication with the alien

941
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: learns things about the alien's brain, and the alien learns

942
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: things about the humans brain. So just that alone, I mean,

943
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: even if the even if the person that the control

944
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: doesn't understand Morse code, like they don't know Morse code,

945
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: they probably at least have heard what Morse code is,

946
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: which means the aliens will be like, all right, this

947
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: is a code where they've replaced letters with this, I

948
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: know what the letters are. Let's just figure this out.

949
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't take you long at all. I mean,

950
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: once you know the basic rules of language, decoding something

951
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: that's a simple replacement cipher very easy. So that's why

952
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't think it was meant to mask

953
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: the communications so much as just be a way of

954
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: people communicating across vast distances once the other lines had

955
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: been cut. I'm I'm wondering, I'm I'm wondering right now

956
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: how the psychic communication part happens, which is which is

957
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: straying a little bit from technology, I understand, but it

958
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: is it is science and and and that's you know,

959
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: because if if you can communicate more or less telepathically

960
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming electrically, due to the way that that

961
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: that these aliens brains seem to have an effect on

962
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: um memory, muscle systems, and and furthermore, are electrical systems

963
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: in the nearby area. It's it's almost like they send

964
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: out kind of an e MP A couple of times,

965
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: and um, yeah they would. And well you would think

966
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: that anything that would require manipulation of thought would have

967
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: to work on an electrical basis, at least at some point,

968
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: because when you get down to the cellular level. Well,

969
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: and also Brent Spiner talks from the alien's point of view,

970
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: so it becomes a data puppet, right, we're actually making

971
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: puppet motions with your Yeah, no, no, no, it made

972
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: perfect sense. Yeah, and and yeah, at that point it's

973
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: your muscular systems are electrical, so yeah, so you don't

974
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: there's no explanation of how this telepathic, uh, and why

975
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: they need to use their satellites if they're telepathic, right, yeah,

976
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: if they are telepathy, unless it's the telepathy only works

977
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: over short distances. But this is all gravity drives must

978
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: get in the way, exactly the telepathetic signal. Sorry, guys,

979
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: get any communication you want all the way now, because

980
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: we're about to start moving and you know there's no

981
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: talking once we get moving um because they don't they

982
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: don't have any mouths, they cannot speak, but they do

983
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: communicate telepathically. We don't understand much of that. But then

984
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: the movie is told from the point of view of

985
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: the human protagonists, and the humans are a disadvantage because

986
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: they know very little in general about the aliens. So

987
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm even willing to give them a bit of a

988
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: pass on this, saying that the alien physiology and the

989
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: telepathy are beyond our understanding, and we call it telepathy

990
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: because we don't have a word for whatever it is

991
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: they're using, um. But I agree with you and first

992
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: and also, assuming that there's going to be any kind

993
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: of of compatibility between alien physiology and human physiology where

994
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: this telepathy would work across species is a huge leap.

995
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these are two species that don't

996
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: have any connection to one another at all biologically as

997
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: far as we know, so the ability for telepathy to

998
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: work across species is a pretty big jump. I just

999
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: I just had the earnest I apologize for this. I

1000
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: just had the earnest thought. Well, it worked really well

1001
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: in Slither Moving Forward biomechanical suits, so these aliens are

1002
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: actually the when you first see them, there are these big, giant,

1003
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: nasty looking critters. But it turns out that the big giant,

1004
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: nasty looking critter is actually a shell for a smaller

1005
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: nasty looking critter inside of it, and that the shell

1006
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: is a biomechanical suit. This is another thing I thought

1007
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: was really super cool. Yeah, you know, we've got a

1008
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: lot of work in exoskeletons here today on Earth. Now,

1009
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: these exoskeletons are mechanical and electronic, they're not bio mechanical.

1010
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: But then we're also seeing things like robotic limbs that

1011
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: are designed to mimic the way our biological limb would work,

1012
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: and that's really awesome. Again, still it's mechanical, it's not

1013
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: bio mechanical, but we're slowly moving toward what could possibly

1014
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: be a biomechanical future where perhaps uh, someone who has

1015
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: to have a limb amputated receives something that's more akin

1016
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: to a bio mechanical arm as opposed to just a

1017
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: me mechanical one or electronic one. So I thought that

1018
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: that was really neat. I did think that the design

1019
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: was weird, specifically the feet, because they have they have

1020
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: these tentacles that are kind of curled under like sloth toes,

1021
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: and I think they look they look like they are

1022
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: um like they're rigid to me. So to me, they

1023
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: look like not like tentacles, but like these toes that

1024
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: are curled around. I think that was a that was

1025
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: a limitation of the puppet that was being used the

1026
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: practical effects. I think I think that it was supposed

1027
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: to be the same wiggly tentacle that we saw being

1028
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 1: wiggly and pneumatic earlier. As totally sad that you guys

1029
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: can't see this because when Lauren, when Lauren demonstrates wiggly tentacles,

1030
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: she's she's looking a bit like a frantic muppet. Um

1031
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: to be fairy usually look a bit like a frantic muppet.

1032
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: I think we'll have to shoot the video version of

1033
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: this podcast at some point so we can see that

1034
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: the tentacles and we'll both do our own version, and

1035
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: that is Google glasses coming. I'll be getting my my

1036
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: parent a couple of days. Um. Yeah, But anyway, I

1037
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: just thought that the feet were weird. But if they

1038
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: were supposed to be tentacles that are actually flexible, that

1039
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: makes more sense to me. But if they were supposed

1040
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: to be these rigid, weird, curled backward toe things. That's

1041
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: not the best foundation for your bipedal suit. Maybe on

1042
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: their planet the gravity is different, so it's like that C. S.

1043
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: Lewis C. S. Lewis novel. Maybe they just all hang

1044
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: upside down from trees and they have to hook their

1045
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: toes onto the tree limbs in order to be able

1046
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: to move, and so they're not normally walking on ground.

1047
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um so, then the next note I

1048
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: have actually involves a plot point in not not just

1049
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, yes, the movie does have a plot,

1050
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: but the president's wife is injured in a helicopter crash.

1051
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: The President's wife, of course, being played by President Laura

1052
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: Fro Battlestar Galactica. Right, so the president's wife is injured,

1053
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: uh critically, but she has specifically yeah, yeah, there's it's

1054
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: very vague. There's internal bleeding. That's all we know. She's

1055
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: she's suffered the internal bleeding injury, and the duration of

1056
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: which is it will let her live just long enough

1057
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: for her to have with her husband just before passing away.

1058
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: And then of course you get the little daughter saying

1059
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: is mommy sleeping and the president saying yes, she is,

1060
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: and then the sad moment, like again not a subtle

1061
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: movie is Independence Day. Uh. They like to take emotion

1062
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: and whack you right upside the head with it in

1063
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: a very clumsy, ham fisted manner, kind of similar to

1064
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: the way that they depict America and all of the world.

1065
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just a it's a it's a very simple,

1066
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: simple representation of emotion and politics. Um. Now we get

1067
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: into the part of the movie that everyone remembers whenever

1068
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: anyone has a discussion about Independence Day and science and technology.

1069
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: This is the part that everyone brings up right right,

1070
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: because this the entire plot hinges upon Jeff gold Bloom's characters.

1071
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: We keep saying Jeff Goldbloom as though he was actually there. Um,

1072
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: I was not paying that much attention, I have to say. Um,

1073
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: his his concept is Okay, so we can't destroy these

1074
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: ships because they're shielded. Um, but I can program a

1075
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: virus on my macy and if we can get that

1076
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: virus into the ships, then we can take down the

1077
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: shields and then blow the ships up. You know, this

1078
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: is ah, this is just a mostly due to a

1079
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: gross misunderstanding of what exactly a computer viruses. So in

1080
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: this movie a computer we're using a word that it's

1081
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: you keep using the word. I don't know if what

1082
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: you think it means. Yeah, if we did an episode

1083
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: about Princess bry to be much shorter, but it would

1084
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: just be us quoting is all it would be. You

1085
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: can do that with your friends. I do with my

1086
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: friends all the time. But yeah, the the in this

1087
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: film a computer virus is essentially saying, this will turn

1088
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: the shields off. That's all this computer virus does. So

1089
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: it's really more like a command, sending a command to

1090
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: like the shield thing, switch that to the off position

1091
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: and keep it off for as long as you possibly can.

1092
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: But they call it a computer virus. Now, typically computer

1093
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: viruses do one of a few things. You're very basic.

1094
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: Computer worm, the the old style computer virus that was

1095
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: really just meant to cause as much mischief as possible,

1096
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: was a self replicating piece of code that if you

1097
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: were to execute, it would start to copy itself and

1098
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: to whatever medium you were using, so like a hard drive,

1099
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: so it would copy itself to your hard drive, filling

1100
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: up your hard drive space and making your computer essentially unusable.

1101
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: Also your your computer's memory, so it just kind of

1102
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: bricks your computer. Uh. Then there were the kinds that

1103
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: would try to wipe all the data off, you know,

1104
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: just essentially reform at your computer. Then there were the

1105
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: kinds that were designed to to take advantage of a

1106
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: vulnerability in whatever operating system you were using, so that

1107
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: someone could get access to your machine administrative level access

1108
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: to either lock you out and grant someone else access

1109
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: or simply grant someone else. Right. Yeah, so the whole

1110
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: back door access and thing where you can get access

1111
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: to another person's machine. You might not you might not

1112
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: lock them out at all, so that they seem to

1113
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: think that everything is working fine. They don't. To them,

1114
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be any different. It might be

1115
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: a visible parasite, but then someone else is running the

1116
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: game and trying to use your computer to do various things. Um,

1117
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: so that those are your basic types of malware. I

1118
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: mean there are other kinds as well. They're phishing scams,

1119
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: things that do key logging to try and figure out

1120
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: what it is that you're typing. But that's kind of

1121
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: the basics for computer viruses. They're not necessarily something that

1122
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: you know does very specific functions. So here here are

1123
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: the multiple problems I have here. One one is that

1124
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: you have an alien computer system and a human computer

1125
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: system that are at all compatible. Just as biology being

1126
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: compatible is really implausible, computer systems is incredibly implausible. And

1127
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: and again I'm almost willing to give him a pass

1128
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: on the aliens studying us enough to have figured out

1129
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: our satellite communication systems UM, because you know, I don't

1130
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: know how long they've been studying us. That's that's sure,

1131
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: And they're aliens, that's fine at least since right, But

1132
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: if you're just watching Jeff Goldbloom, if it's just one

1133
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: dude over the course of like a day, Yeah, And

1134
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: and the idea, even if they've been studying the alien

1135
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: technology aboard this ship, I doubt that they had had

1136
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: any luck. And you know clearly they said that the

1137
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: ship had not been operational at all until a couple

1138
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: of days like since the right, so they didn't didn't

1139
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: have any access to the computer system there. There's no

1140
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: reason their computer systems would run on the same sort

1141
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: of binary system that we use. Now. The fact that

1142
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: our system uses this particular form of computer science is

1143
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: because that's what was working for us. But there's no

1144
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: guarantee that any other society would develop computers the same

1145
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: way we did, so there's no and even if they did,

1146
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that there would be an easy way

1147
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: to interface one system with another. How do you connect

1148
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: an Earth based computer so that you can actually send

1149
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: a virus to a an alien technology? This is they

1150
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: didn't even have Bluetooth. Yeah, yeah, they're they're not, They're

1151
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: not like you know, it appears that you just have

1152
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: to get close enough and you can magically do it.

1153
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: But which would be like Bluetooth? But I don't know,

1154
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't you know, there's there's no explanation for that.

1155
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's simply this is a plot device

1156
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: meant to let the heroes have their chance at overcoming odds. Yeah. Yeah,

1157
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: And I understand it from a a story beat perspective,

1158
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: like this is what we need to do in order

1159
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: for there to be this heroic moment. I completely get that.

1160
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: From an actual computer science perspective, it makes no sense. Um.

1161
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: There are some people who say, wow, it makes no

1162
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: sense that he's using a MAC. I want to address

1163
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: that very quickly. So we think of max is being

1164
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: largely virus proof, not so much as today, as much

1165
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: as we used to. But I would argue that the

1166
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: reason why Max were less likely to fall victim to

1167
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: viruses is due to two things. One, Apple does lock

1168
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: it system down really tightly, so that does help. The

1169
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: fact that that that's so locked down meant that it

1170
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: was not as accessible to people who wanted to write

1171
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: code they could take advantage of it. Yeah, it was

1172
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: more difficult, but also there were fewer Mac users for

1173
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: a very long time, exactly, Lauren. That is that is

1174
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: the key, right, there are fewer Max when you look

1175
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: at and so if you're trying to cause havoc, then

1176
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: really your your best bang for your buck is to

1177
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: go after Window. Yeah, you want to go after PCs

1178
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: because you certainly can't rule out alternate although I mean

1179
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: Windows really was the thing you aimed for because Windows

1180
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: had the majority of the share, So you want to

1181
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: go for a target rich environment. Now you could say

1182
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: that Windows was more had more vulnerabilities than Apple systems,

1183
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: which I'm not going to argue that I think that's true.

1184
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: But it's not that the Mac was immune to viruses.

1185
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: It's that it had a lot working for it to

1186
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: prevent people from even trying to write virus Because if

1187
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I could try and write a virus

1188
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: for Mac and it might work, but I'm going to

1189
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: hit five of the computer population when I could aim

1190
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: for nine percent, which is going to get bigger results

1191
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: for me. I might as well focus on that. Anyway.

1192
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the fact that he's

1193
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: using a Mac to design this code. My problem is

1194
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: it shouldn't work anyway. Whether it's a Mac or a

1195
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: PC or a Linux machine, Unix doesn't matter because you're

1196
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: talking about an alien your system and a human computer system,

1197
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter which operating system you're using. Um.

1198
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's his idea, and he shows it off

1199
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: an area fifty one. He's able to turn the shields

1200
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: off and activate the ship's flight controls because apparently, once

1201
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: you're able to connect to your computer to the alien computer,

1202
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: you know what everything does. Like, think about all the

1203
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: systems that would be required to make an alien ship work,

1204
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: especially considering the fact that, uh, Jeff Goldblum's character David.

1205
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: It is David because because when he boot boots up

1206
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: his laptop, reference the two thousand one reference of Dave.

1207
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, uh, good morning day, don't reference better movies

1208
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:25,919
Speaker 1: in your movies, people, um, just reference worst movies, Grant.

1209
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to guess which movies are worse until you're done,

1210
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: but you know, aim for really bad ones because then

1211
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: the odds are in your favor. Anyway, he there's the

1212
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: two thousand one reference. Good Morning Days. So he's David

1213
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: and Steve is Will Smith's characters. So Steve and Dave

1214
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: get into their alienship and blast off to go after

1215
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: the mothership. Right, Well, think of all the systems that

1216
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: are required to make that work. You have to have

1217
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: the propulsion systems, the flight systems, you have to have

1218
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: the life support systems. Thank goodness, these aliens breathe oxygen,

1219
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: right because they're they're they're going to space. I mean

1220
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: also just from a from a piloting standpoint, Will Smith's

1221
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: character just gets in there and kind of does it

1222
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: because he's seen how they fly so like as in

1223
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: he's watched the ships go. Yeah, he's seen how they

1224
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: move through an atmosphere. Therefore he knows how they fly

1225
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: and in space too, because he's not space trained. People,

1226
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: I've seen jets fly, I could not fly it. Yet.

1227
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: I've seen helicopters fly. I could not fly a helicopter.

1228
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: Just because I've seen how they move through a certain

1229
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: area doesn't mean I can fly them. Well, I mean,

1230
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's a trained fighter pilot. Um. Maybe a

1231
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: more apt description would be, you know, I've seen people

1232
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: drive mac trucks, but I don't know how to drive

1233
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: a diesel truck. Okay, how about this. I have piloted

1234
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,919
Speaker 1: a ship that was a sailing ship. I have never

1235
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: driven a motor boat. But both of them do move

1236
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: through the water. The propulsion systems are totally different. But

1237
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: I see. That's what I'm saying is that being an

1238
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: expert on one does not mean that you're an expert

1239
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: on the other. However, for the purposes of magic effect,

1240
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: let's let it go. We're giving this movie a lot

1241
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: of passes right now. Um. Also, we know that this

1242
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: episode has gone on really long, but so we've got that.

1243
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: That's the big one. Everyone points out is this computer

1244
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: virus that is designed to turn off the shields, and

1245
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: of course their goal is they have to get aboard

1246
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: the mothership in order for this to work. There's no

1247
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: way for them to beam the code directly to the mothership.

1248
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: They never explain how it is that by just getting

1249
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: into the proximity of the ship, they're able to get

1250
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: the code into the mothership. They don't explain that, so

1251
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: apparently proximity is necessary, but we don't know why, Like

1252
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: why do you have to be the mac into a

1253
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: into a magnetic port within the ship and then through

1254
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: the magnetic docking mechanism. That's it. Clearly they get aboard.

1255
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: They get aboard the alienship and like, oh sweet, it's

1256
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: got FireWire. We're good to go. Man, we would have

1257
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: been so boned if we hadn't had FireWire in here.

1258
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: It's clearly, it's clearly UM. And and also, like all

1259
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: other programmers and hackers from the ninety nineties, he uses

1260
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: a a animated skull Roger Jolly Roger in the symbol

1261
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: the virus. Yeah, yeah, I have to do that. And

1262
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: of course they deliver a nuclear bomb that has a

1263
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: thirty second timer on it to UM to destroy the

1264
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: mothership and then get out. There's no explanation as to

1265
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: why they picked thirty seconds other than the fact again

1266
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: dramatic effect. The idea big that this gives the heroes

1267
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: and even Uh tougher challenge to escape the blast radius

1268
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: of a nuclear bomb before they are affected by it

1269
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: um and I haven't personally done the math on half

1270
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: past to would have to fly in order to outfly

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Speaker 1: an explosion. But I'm I'm almost I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: at least not outrunning an explosion, so I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: it's a little better. It's a little better than having

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Speaker 1: to outrun an explosion. Now, there's plenty of outrunning explosions

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Speaker 1: in this movie too, especially in the parts where the

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Speaker 1: cities are being destroyed. But if y I don't try

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Speaker 1: not to ever put yourself in a position where you

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Speaker 1: need to outrun an explosion because you would die. Explosions

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Speaker 1: move faster than you can run. Yes, even you Usain

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Speaker 1: Bolt don't try it. So, yeah, it's the We're getting

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the movie here. So we got

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Speaker 1: the explosion of the mother Ship, which is really odd.

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Speaker 1: You pointed this out to Lauren that the explosion for

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01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: the mother Ship has this weird kind of disc explosion,

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Speaker 1: like it doesn't explode out in all directions explos Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it explodes out in a plane like a plane as

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Speaker 1: in a horizontal plane. It's like you think of a

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Speaker 1: plate that's been smashed into a thousand pieces, and there's

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01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: just spreads apart, like in a horizontal plane, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: go out in all directions. Explosion. Yeah, they're different. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just because the way the ship was built that's

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: just really really secure on the top and bottom, but

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Speaker 1: the outer edge is just just paper mache, just paper mache. Um.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what it is that really causes the

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: massive explosion within the the ship itself, I mean, apart

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: from a nuclear bomb going off. But again, one nuclear

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: bomb would not be enough to destroy a ship of

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Speaker 1: that mass. Found the gas tank, Yeah, we're thinking like

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Speaker 1: maybe there's fusion coils or something that were affected and

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Speaker 1: that created some sort of you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe the nuclear bomb actually fell down a ventilation shaft

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Speaker 1: that led directly to the reactor core. And then Alderon

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: I might be thinking of a different movie. And then

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Speaker 1: the very end of the movie has Stephen Dave, who

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, you don't know if they've survived, but surprised

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: they did, and they're they're walking down the desert and

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: they're greeted by their respective women folk and they are

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: and children folk and children folk and they are embraced

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Speaker 1: and everyone's happy. And then Uh. Steve will Smith's character

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: leans down to his uh, the little boy that would

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: would be his adopted son essentially or his stepson should

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: he always I guess he has a stepson now because

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01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: I forgot got married, because you have to have that

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01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: yet another emotionally manipulative moment um. So his stepson, he

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: says to his steps on, didn't I promise you fireworks?

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Speaker 1: That I thought? And only eight hundred and twelve million

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: people had to die for those fireworks to happen. And see,

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: there's so much more in this movie. There's the part

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: where where David the Jeff Goldblum character is writing to Washington,

1320
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: d C. With his dad and he opens up his

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01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: laptop to pull up a while in the car in

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: ther WiFi. Essentially, Yeah, there's not he's not. I seriously

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01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 1: doubt that he was using any kind of really primitive

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 1: cellular data network to pull this information, especially since that

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: was represented by graphics. It must have been stored locally

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: on the computer. But he pulls up all um all

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01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: phone books in the United States in order to find

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01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: his ex wife's phone number, and uh, I just thought

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01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: it was funny that didn't just have the phone number

1330
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: written down that This was obviously another one of those

1331
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: moments which designed to show you that this guy is

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01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: good computers, computers that this guy are good friends. But

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Speaker 1: it is also funny to think that today anyone with

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01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: a phone can look up a phone book anywhere. Yeah,

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01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: the Internet and we do that now. Back in the

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: web was young, it did exist, but it wasn't as

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Speaker 1: robust as it is today. So I mean there was

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: no Google back in, so that would have made it

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01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: harder all by itself. Um, yeah, there's some there's some

1340
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: really odd moments in this movie. Now, all that being said,

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Speaker 1: we do understand, like we said at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show, for entertainment, it is for entertainment purposes. And

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Speaker 1: and as much as Jonathan and I are kind of,

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, viscerrating it a little bit right now, it

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Speaker 1: is I mean, there are parts of it that are

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Speaker 1: that are very entertaining and very funny, and and it's

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: it's designed it's designed to be a popcorn movie. Now

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: that gives it some somewhat of a pass. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: you know, if they had tried to make a movie

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: that was as scientifically and technically accurate as possible, it

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01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: probably would not have been as entertaining. Maybe they could

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Speaker 1: have avoided some of the more melodramatic, emotionally manipulative scenes,

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: which I find I don't know at the time. At

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: the time, I didn't find it as irritating, but I

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: was also dumber about as as an adult, you get

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01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: more aware of that kind of thing. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I I certainly don't fault especially big blockbuster

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Speaker 1: movies like this on on being light on the science.

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: But but things that are just just blatantly not right

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Speaker 1: not science. Yeah, I'm kind of like, didn't I mean,

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Speaker 1: wasn't anyone. I mean, this this script had to have

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Speaker 1: gone through multiple, multiple treatments and all kinds of eyes,

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Speaker 1: and I mean studios like that are huge, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was enormous. I think I think what would be

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Speaker 1: fun to do, maybe in the future, is to come

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Speaker 1: up with our list of movies that have the the

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Speaker 1: worst portrayal of science and technology and not necessarily go

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01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: through it like the like that this was a special

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: thing that we did because I jokingly said that we

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: should do it, and then our so so this is

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Speaker 1: what you get. But maybe in the future will do

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Speaker 1: more of an episode where we just kind of talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the more ridiculous depictions of technology, like Hackers,

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: which has some really awful awful sequences, Like essentially anything

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Speaker 1: that has depicted hacking as some sort of video game.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: The net is another great one. Anything anything we're hacking

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01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: is essentially like you are the plot. You are actually

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: making your way through a three dimensional castle and you

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: have to avoid skeletons, and this is actually the way

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01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: hacking works. And if you can get to the treasure room,

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: you get the files. There is a movie like that.

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: I can show you the video clip after this is done,

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01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll do that at some point and just

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of give you a rundown on some of the

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: movies that have maybe do a few that are that

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: are really good. Yeah, there are a few out there

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: that have done some great some great work and representing

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Speaker 1: what technology can actually do. And that wraps up this

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: classic episode. You know, we would occasionally do these episodes

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: where we would take a film that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of technology in it. We've done it with the James

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: Bond films, Star Wars, Independence Day obviously, and we would

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Speaker 1: go through and talk about how the technology was portrayed,

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: how realistic was it? Uh, did it set n realistic expectations.

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Speaker 1: If you guys would like us to do any more

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Speaker 1: of those, let us know, tell us some of the

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: movies that we should really take a look at and

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01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: kind of dissect. But if you have any other suggestions,

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: feel free to pop them my way. You can reach

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