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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from t I Studios in Venice, California.

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Speaker 1: This is the Ivaboard Stereo Podcast with Michael Reva Board

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Speaker 1: a k a. The Gringo Man Dingo. Just the Iron

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Speaker 1: Rapports Stereo podcast coming live and direct with a very

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Speaker 1: special guest. Kay. I can't even tell you how excite

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Speaker 1: I am to have him here on Iron Wrap Ports

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Speaker 1: Stereo Podcast. One of the best personalities in all of

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Speaker 1: sports history. NBA great NBA Champion. You know, I've come

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Speaker 1: across a handful of athletes. This is the first guy

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Speaker 1: felt like I could really funk with this guy because

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Speaker 1: he's accessible, he's real, he's a champion. He's not on

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Speaker 1: my level. I'm not saying I can funk with him

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Speaker 1: in that way because I've admired your career for so long.

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Speaker 1: I work with him on ESPN, med him at ESPN

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Speaker 1: on the Jump and all the NBA shows. It is

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Speaker 1: my pleasure to welcome to the Iron Wrap Coors Stereo Podcast.

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Speaker 1: The Captain, El Capitan, NBA Champion, the man who said

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Speaker 1: he makes love to pressure consistently. My man, Captain Jack

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson. What's up, my brother, Mike? What to do? Man?

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Speaker 1: Everything's good, my man. I I can't tell you how

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Speaker 1: exide I am to talk to you, because you know

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Speaker 1: we we we do it on TV, and you know

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Speaker 1: there's time constraints, and you know, I've just had so

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Speaker 1: many questions for you. I've been a fan of yours

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Speaker 1: for so long. I love your takes. You know, as

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Speaker 1: great of a player as you were, are still are?

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Speaker 1: You know you you you might be just as good

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Speaker 1: as an analyst and and as a TV personality. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you should stop playing, because I see

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Speaker 1: you in the gym with to get better gang motivating

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Speaker 1: me while I'm sitting on my couch. I walk your dog,

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Speaker 1: I walking your dog, cursing the other dogs out of

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Speaker 1: the corner. I'm walking my dog and this guy's in

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Speaker 1: the gym early in the morning. You know when you

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Speaker 1: sometimes I see you post like you'll get off a

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Speaker 1: plane and then you go right to the gym. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you know, like a lot of times

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Speaker 1: would be hard to get those damn workouts in l a.

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Speaker 1: And when you stay at the Luxe hotel, they got

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Speaker 1: the worst gym ever. You're going there and there's one

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Speaker 1: treadmill and some towels no dumbbells, no anything. So sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I fly back, man, I got a gym that's

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Speaker 1: right across the street. I go in there and I

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Speaker 1: get it in for an hour regardless of what time

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Speaker 1: I get back, because it's twenty four hours. Now. When

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Speaker 1: when is that for like to stay in shape or

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Speaker 1: is it to decompress? Is it to unwind from a

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Speaker 1: flight because some of the hours or is it just

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Speaker 1: something like for you? Is it like drinking coffee. Is

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Speaker 1: it's something for you that you naturally need to do.

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Speaker 1: Because for me working out at this point, like when

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Speaker 1: I'm in a flow and I'm in a good rhythm,

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Speaker 1: like I get to that where I need to do it.

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Speaker 1: But it seems like with you, like with these odd hours,

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Speaker 1: like people that like my wife is like that, she

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Speaker 1: just has to work out, and I had I wish

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Speaker 1: I had that thing where I had to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's always been a little bit like all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: always trying to look for an excuse of the car

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Speaker 1: didn't start. You know. It's one of those things, Mike ship.

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Speaker 1: Once you're there, once you get yourself there, and then

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Speaker 1: that's half the battle, you know. And I've been working

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Speaker 1: my body's programmed. I have to go, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: to stand shape because as you know, I still play.

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Speaker 1: You know, I still I'm still playing the Champions League,

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Speaker 1: which is five on five that's all NBA players, and

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Speaker 1: the ice Cube League. So I'm still I'm standing safe

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Speaker 1: for me and also to continue to play at a

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Speaker 1: high level. So this three on three team that that's

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of getting a lot of press, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are excited about it.

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Speaker 1: The fans are. A lot of NBA dudes seem to

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Speaker 1: be hyped about it. What is your crew? How did

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Speaker 1: it come about? And what do you know about the rules,

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Speaker 1: because I heard they're throwing different rules, So people don't

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Speaker 1: know there's a three on three league. That ice Cube

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Speaker 1: like Iverson I've heard talking about being in it. Jackson

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Speaker 1: is in it. I mean there's a lot of big names, Chauncey,

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Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be competitive. Like I think at first,

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Speaker 1: you know about the details of the league, Well, basically

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Speaker 1: what I know? Okay, the league was brought to me

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Speaker 1: by Chauncey Billups and Roger Mason. Roger Mason is actually

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Speaker 1: on the board working for ice Cube with the league.

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Speaker 1: Roger Mason used to play in the league and he

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Speaker 1: worked for the Players Association. But Chauncey sent me a

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I heard about it, devil he wanted to

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Speaker 1: be wanted me to be a captain. So, man, Chauncey

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Speaker 1: bills Are, We're on the same team. And then I

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Speaker 1: think sometime in March we're doing a draft where each

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Speaker 1: team has seven players. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: and uh that the only thing I know about the

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Speaker 1: rules is they're putting the four point line four point

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Speaker 1: asked me my opinion about it, and I actually said, Mike,

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Speaker 1: it should be midway point between half court and the

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Speaker 1: three point NBA three point line, right, yeah, that's where

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Speaker 1: the four point line should be. But man was on

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Speaker 1: the team right now, so much of NBA players is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be pretty cool. I'm excited. I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: bust the masks. And now is there is there like

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Speaker 1: there's gotta be there's money, there's money awards, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing is the captains get paid. I think the

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Speaker 1: captains get paid for being a part of it. But

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Speaker 1: the great thing that I think ice Cube done to

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Speaker 1: say you finished first place, you get total Person of

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Speaker 1: the League, which is cool. So do you expect dudes

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Speaker 1: expect it to be like competitive or do you expect

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Speaker 1: it to be like All Star game competitiveness? Because I'm

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Speaker 1: not drafting nobody on my team that's coming to be friends, Mike.

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Speaker 1: You know how I play. I'm trying to win. If

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Speaker 1: Ron able to play, or you have to be retired NBA. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he has to be retired now. If he's

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Speaker 1: retired before the league starts, you know I'm going after

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Speaker 1: my boy, yo. Listen. I'm not saying I could do

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Speaker 1: much other than a few flagrance but but if you

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Speaker 1: need a seventh man just to be there for an

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Speaker 1: intimidation factor, Jackson, I know you got my vat. I'm

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Speaker 1: your guy. I'm not saying I could guard anybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying I could make some shots. But if you

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So I'm just letting you know

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Speaker 1: right now, I'll put it out there for you. And

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you because probably no one else is gonna

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Speaker 1: You might even put it under an alias. But but

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Speaker 1: all you gotta show us a litt footage. We gotta

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Speaker 1: interested in. All right, so let me let me just

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Speaker 1: that's hard to say right now, but yeah, every day

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Speaker 1: there's there's drama based on what you know, because because

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Speaker 1: feel like there's always like a little bit deeper, a

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you know Carmelo or not,

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Speaker 1: you serious? So so wait, there's a few things you

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Speaker 1: implied there. So we do you think that Phil as

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Speaker 1: and in defense of Phil, before he got there was

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Speaker 1: winning I think sixteen or seventeen games, I think we

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Speaker 1: with so much, you know what I mean, how could

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Speaker 1: a big media company. They're doing a lot of things

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Speaker 1: now that Like I said, a lot of players try

426
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 1: to put their friends in position to do and never

427
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 1: was able to do either either the NBA player wasn't

428
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 1: in his right mind or his posse wasn't in their

429
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: right mind. They wanted to leach off him and and

430
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 1: be around and just hang around and smoke weed all

431
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 1: day and and day. Chicks. Well, Lebron did it a

432
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: different way. His guys with the college got degrees and

433
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,880
Speaker 1: doing it the right way and and and and make

434
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Speaker 1: a the great life for themselves. So that's why a

435
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 1: lot of people respect Lebron because he didn't come in

436
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 1: just thinking about him. He put his friends in position

437
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: and and and but but you know that's that's the

438
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: main thing I I salute about him is the way

439
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: he was able to take his family and put him

440
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: in position. I like that. That's good. That's good. That's good.

441
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: That's love now comes to fans. Now, let me ask

442
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: this question. I shouldn't say, let me ask this question.

443
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: Come and throw this question out. Do the NBA players

444
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: like I'm a crazy fan, Like I can't stand Lebron.

445
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't stand as soon as he went to Miami.

446
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: I can't. I couldn't stand on me when I played,

447
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: when I was an NB I couldn't stand nobody either.

448
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, Mike, so you understand it. But

449
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: you have that you had that yo. If you're either

450
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: with me or you ain't with me, And if you

451
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: ain't with me, that's it you, Mike. I used to

452
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: hate games when I'm when I'm coming in the game

453
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: and I'm at the free throw line of the game

454
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: by the start, and somebody comes shake my hand on

455
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 1: other team that I had, no that I never met

456
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 1: in my life, and he says something like, what's up?

457
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: What's up? Jack? How you doing? How your family? Say? Look, Bro,

458
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: you don't know me, you don't know my family. Stop

459
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: trying to soften this blow. I'm gonna bust your ass regardless.

460
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: You're not trying to ask me how my family doing

461
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: to try to soften this ass whippen. I used to

462
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: hate that. Do you do you feel like the NBA

463
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: because I I feel like the NBA has changed because

464
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: so many of these guys have grown up with each

465
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: other and like, if if me and you play ball

466
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: since we're ten, eleven, A A you this, We're going

467
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: to Vegas when we're thirteen. We're bonding, We're getting milkshakes,

468
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: we're getting treated, we're getting sneakers and all this. By

469
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: the time we get in the league, no matter how

470
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: much we're competing, there's never gonna be that thing. Like

471
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson met Larry Bird on a basketball court. They

472
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: didn't meet beforehand. They weren't hanging out, you know, Will

473
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Bill Russell. I'm going even back further, same thing.

474
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: They went out there. They weren't hanging out, they were friends.

475
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: I know things have changed, but I feel like all

476
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: this kissing and hugging and hand hate this crazy right man,

477
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: Al Hanson was best friends. We barely shook hands before games.

478
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: We're best friends, and we went at it. I mean

479
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: I tried to dunk on here them I tried to

480
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: embarrass them, just like I would embarrass anybody else. But

481
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: that's how we was raised. You know, this is how

482
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: we eat. You know, I'm not coming on I'm not

483
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: coming on this court to make friends and be friends.

484
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: I can care less how your family doing or how

485
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: you really feeling. I hope you're feeling like shit, honestly,

486
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: so I can have a better game against you. That's

487
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: I took the game real serious. I took it. And

488
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 1: then that's why people a lot of people wanted me

489
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Speaker 1: on their team. That's why Tim doesn't call me the

490
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: ultimate teammate, because I only only cared about winning in

491
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: my teammates. If you're not on my team, then I'm

492
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: against you, period period. And you were able to separate

493
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: church and state, so like, even if you're cool with

494
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: somebody off the court when you're playing, yeah yeah, yeah,

495
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: especially because I'm the type to initiate the book the bullshit.

496
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: So you know, and I talked ship and I'm ready

497
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: to fight to win a game at all times. And

498
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: if you're not ready to fight, and I see you

499
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: after the game, and you know, you kind of approached

500
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: me like you're not you want to be a friends

501
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: and it would just leave it basketball then it's cool.

502
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: But I'm already on the edge. So you know, if

503
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: whatever moved you in, I'm in it already. Let's go right, alright,

504
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: So alright, so back to Lebron. I gotta bring it all.

505
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: Everything's gonna come back to Lebron. You'll you'll notice that

506
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: we could be talking about the weather. Somehow I'm blaming

507
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Lebron when he speaks out to the press saying, Yo,

508
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: the team isn't doing this and we don't have a

509
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: backup point guard. And you know, his little his little

510
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: hissy fit that he through the other day, which what

511
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: he does. And listen, if anybody has a right to complain,

512
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: and anybody has you know, we we know what he does.

513
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: Like he puts together good guys. He knows what his

514
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: team needs. But is there any is this strategic? Is

515
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: it like politics? When he says that instead of going

516
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: to the GM, instead of going to the coach, instead

517
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: of going to the owner, is there a reason why

518
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: he goes to the president? Because all that does is

519
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: get me hyped up? And I'm like, ah, this is

520
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: the time of year where I got I got because

521
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I have to pace myself on my Lebron. Yeah, I

522
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: gotta start like late January February, and then I could

523
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: ride it all through June. And like now he's just

524
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: like playing into my hands here. So when he's doing that,

525
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: is that for a fact? Is that just because he's

526
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: in a bad mood or is that calculated? All his

527
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: stuff should calculated. I think any other players say they

528
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: need this on a team, that they're gonna get fined

529
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: by the team or some type of punishment. The only

530
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: reason he's doing that because they're letting him get away

531
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: with it. Okay, just like he complained about um Draymond

532
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: last year, they didn't really pay attention to it till

533
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: he complained about it. He can't understand it. And you

534
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: know what, Mike Lebron understands when he speaks, everybody listens. Okay,

535
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: let's be real. He understands that. And right now they're

536
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: going through a time that he's never he's never seen before.

537
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: They're getting the asked bus by everybody, and it's uncomfortable. Okay,

538
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: it's the same team they had the championship. They want

539
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: a championship with. Now they're not winning. Now he want

540
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: to start making excuses. I hate the fact that he's

541
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: he's whining because everybody already looked at him as a

542
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: big old baby anyway, and the fact now that a

543
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: couple of guys are hurt now he want to start

544
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: whining because he needs more players. Say left, if you ain't,

545
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear nothing about you whind a

546
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: bout players when you have Kyrie, when you have Kevin

547
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: Love and I'm sitting at home, Okay, I don't want

548
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: to hear nothing about no players when I'm sitting at

549
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: home ready to get a call. Okay, So I don't

550
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: want to hear ship about you. Win Lebron, You're the

551
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: best player in the world. You have Kyrie, you are

552
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: the defending champions. Deal with it. Stop trying to get

553
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: more guys in. But you know what, Mike, I gotta

554
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: say this too, for the world to know. This is

555
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: why Lebron is winding. Last time they played and Golden State,

556
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: I was at their game. Golden State had eighty points

557
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: at halftime. Okay, Lebron face was so shook. He realized,

558
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: this is a different team we're playing against. This is

559
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: a different monster. What we have right now. We cannot

560
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: compete with these guys. For no championship. And he saw

561
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: that that last game. Now he shook. He don't know

562
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: what to do. You got that feeling being at that

563
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: game up there in Golden State. I've seen it. I've

564
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it from the jump. From the

565
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: beginning of the game. Golden State showed that they're a

566
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: different team with Kevin Durant right, and and and the

567
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: way he's playing defense right now, Kevin Durants never played

568
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: defense like this. And and I can be honest, he

569
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: probably has more dunks now than he's had at last

570
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: two seasons. So he's Draymond made him pick up his defense,

571
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: and the caliber players he's playing with is making them

572
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: take his offense to another level. So when you say

573
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: he has more dunks, is that because the basket. The

574
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: baskets are coming easier. The baskets are coming easier. He

575
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: don't have to take as many jump shots because you

576
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: gotta look at the lineup. He's the biggest guy on

577
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: the court, right, He's the biggest guy in the line up,

578
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: So he's getting a lot of layups and a lot

579
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: of easy shots that he can finish. And he don't

580
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: have a center in there to to finish shots and

581
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: dun that's mostly his shots. Now got you? So you

582
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: mentioned about like you're there, would you are you ready

583
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: to play NBA basketball now right? Do you think you'll

584
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: ever get a shot to get back into the league

585
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: And why do you think it's so frustrated? I feel

586
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: like one of the things, it's like I feel like

587
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: once you sort of retire or sort of take yourself

588
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: out of the equation, that's that's the thing. And also

589
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: because I think you're real. And then also I think

590
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: it's it's because people get confused, like wait, stax Is

591
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: on ISPN Staxs on the Iron Rapports Stereo podcast, you know,

592
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: and they sort of does he really want to do

593
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: that or she's just saying that? But like in your

594
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: heart of heart, like you still have a desire to play,

595
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: and do you feel like you could contribute to a

596
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: team because I feel like a team like the Knicks,

597
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I said this last year bringing Stephen Jackson, you know,

598
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: like let's get a character guy, because I feel like

599
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: certain teams are missing character guys. So talk to me

600
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: about where you're at with playing in the NBA right now,

601
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: and why don't you go over there with your boys,

602
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Marbury to China. What I mean, it's it's not

603
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: mean enough for you to go over there. Yeah, and

604
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm I love the game. I started off overseas.

605
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: You know a team Dominican Republic, Venezuela, you know Australia.

606
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I start off overseas. So I said, once I go

607
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: to the NBA, I'm never going back. Uh. I definitely

608
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: got two good years left for me to play this game.

609
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: I can play at a high level. Obviously, I'm not

610
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna come out and get twenty thirty points, but I

611
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: can come in still average fifteen points and played be

612
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a solid defender and open shots and knock that big shots.

613
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Like I said, I may love the pressure. I've always

614
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: considered myself a jack of all trades, So I don't

615
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: know why in the hell the NBA would think just

616
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: because I'm not playing and I want to get back

617
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: in and i'ma sitting home and wait on them. No,

618
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna get with Mike. I'm gonna do my

619
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: show with Mike. I'm gonna do my ship with ESPN.

620
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm it's more than one way to skin a cat.

621
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I definitely can play the game.

622
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 1: I still play the game at a high level. That's

623
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: why I'm playing in the Big Three in the Champions League,

624
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: because I still can play the game. Uh. Like I said,

625
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I got two good years left. And uh, that's why

626
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: I work out, Mike. If I ever get that call,

627
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I didn't. I didn't leave on my

628
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: own terms, you know, with the situation with San Antonio,

629
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: when when Pop asked me to admit other players was

630
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: better than me for there, for the for the team's

631
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: personal game, I wouldn't do it, you know. And and

632
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: I was released right for the playoffs. And we all

633
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: know when you get released right before the playoffs, you

634
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: can't soil with another team that looks bad as hell.

635
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: It looks like your councils to the team. And that

636
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a situation. It would have been the lightest situation

637
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: if Pop would have came out and said that it

638
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: wasn't because I was being a council and told the

639
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: true story. But I had to. But at the end

640
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: of the day, I got pushed out. So I've never

641
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: had any serious injuries, Mike, no surgeries, nothing, you know,

642
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: my whole career, I've been healthy. So, like I said,

643
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: I still play at a high level now. If I

644
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to go back in definitely, I'm definitely

645
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: ready to go. If not, then I got a lot

646
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: of stuff going on. So I'm still I'm still blessed.

647
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: I never really could figure out because I was like, yeo,

648
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: why they It looked it looked as from the fans

649
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: point of view, Stephen Jackson was a problem, Like what

650
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: was the real situation? And you seem to still like

651
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: based on everything I know about you, which isn't everything

652
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: and it's not a lot. I've never heard you say

653
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: a bad word about San Antonio, only good things and

654
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Papavich it's only praising. Do you want to explain that,

655
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: like whole little situation. I would never say anything bad

656
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: about Pop because of the opportunities he gave me. Papa

657
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: is the greatest coach ever to me, you know what

658
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's He's one of my favorite coaches, and

659
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I got I played with all Hall of Fame coaches

660
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: live round don Nelson Rick call out so uh. But

661
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: but Papa is a great guy. Though I would never

662
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: say anything bad about San Antonio because I want a championship.

663
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: There I got a chance to play with him, Duncan

664
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: and David Robinson. You know, I got a chance to

665
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: win the championship. So I was saying nothing bad. But

666
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: that's central that situation. That's bad because he handed it bad.

667
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: You know. It was a situation after practice where I

668
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: had a great practice. I was, you know, you know,

669
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm hitting game winners. I'm cursing people out because I'm

670
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: busting the ass. So that's how I play. You know

671
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: that's different in San Antonio, but they know that's how

672
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I play. So you know, after practice, I'm in the

673
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: training room taking my stuff off, and Pop calls me

674
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: in in the uh in the film room, and he's like, Jack, uh,

675
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: let me show you some of your uh some some

676
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: footage of you playing this year. But the last couple

677
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: of games, and I wasn't playing that well, you know,

678
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: and I admitted that. But I'm a rhythm player. You

679
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: don't play me for ten games then throw me in

680
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: four minutes one game. I can't play like that. I

681
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: can't I can't get a rhythm like that, and that

682
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: and that messages with you mentally. So he picked three

683
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: of the worst possessions I've had probably in my career

684
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: to show me right. So I'm like, cool, okay, I'll

685
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: take that. He was like, well, Jack, you're not playing

686
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: too well right now. I'm like, Papa, you ain't really

687
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: playing me to see how I can play. You know

688
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: what I can do? He was like, yeah, Jack, I

689
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: need you to do something for the team. I need

690
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: you to admit that Genoboli and Danny Green are better

691
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: than you because we're going into the playoffs and they're

692
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: not playing well. I need you to help me boost

693
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: their confidence because they feel like it's a competition. Okay,

694
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: So it feels like a competition, Mike, because I'm not

695
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: playing you playing these guys before me. But when practice starts,

696
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm it shows that I'm ten times better than them. No,

697
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: He's saying, admit, admit to who go. So No, this

698
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: is what he wanted to do. He wanted to bring

699
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: that whole team in the film room, and he wanted

700
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: he wanted me to stand up in front of the

701
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: film rom like and be like, Okay, this this exactly

702
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: what he wanted me to say. Uh, okay, y'all guys

703
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: will get ready to go to the to the greg.

704
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: You start the playoffs. Uh, Danny Genoble, I know you're

705
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: not playing well, but y'all so much better than me,

706
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: and we need y'all. We need y'all for the playoffs.

707
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: And if fuck no, I'm not doing that. You know,

708
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say Michael Jordan was better than me. You

709
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: gotta show me, you gotta prove it to me. And

710
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: and and I know by how it was busting the

711
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: ass in practice that that wasn't comfortable with him, knowing

712
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: that he wanted to play his guys, you know. And uh,

713
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: and after that conversation, I say, Pop, you know you

714
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: know damn well, I'm not gonna say that to you

715
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: to nobody on this team, you know. And he was like, well, Jack,

716
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: I guess we have the part ways of making a

717
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: move and bring somebody else in. So I'm like, but

718
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: this is the thing, though, Mike, this was crazy. In

719
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: the whole world know how smart Pop is. Pop knew

720
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: my reaction, well, my reaction was gonna be before he

721
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: even asked the question, because they had Trace McGrady already

722
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: on the plane on the way in. So regardless if

723
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: I would have said it or not, he was willing

724
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: to make he was already ready to make another move,

725
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: you see. But I just hate the way it ended

726
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: because it was it was towards the end of my career,

727
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: and it made me look real bad, and you know

728
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. And Pop No, every time he threw

729
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: me in the playoffs, like the year before that, he

730
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: threw me in the playoffs at six threes in the

731
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals and I really didn't play that much.

732
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: He just used me for defense. So the way he

733
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: handled it after all I've done, but for that organization,

734
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: for that team, it was just sour because he knew

735
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say that to him. I nobody else, right, right, Wow,

736
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: that's I didn't know that story. That's that's crazy story.

737
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: And and I mean, I guess that's part of the ship.

738
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: That's the politics of professional sports, which is at the

739
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: end of the day is it's just a business. Every business,

740
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: whether you're working at Starbucks, basket Robbins, a bus driver,

741
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: there's always some sort of politics and there's higher ups

742
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: and movements and all that stuff. That's crazy. They owe

743
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: me ten meals. So you know, I was quit to

744
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
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Speaker 1: Play it at play dot it. How do you feel

763
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 1: about this because to me, I think it's a joke

764
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: at this point, and they think they need to figure

765
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: it out because All Star Games to me are a

766
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: joke in terms of the way they're played, the way

767
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: at this point, the way they're voted for. I feel like,

768
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, there there's there's no stakes. Um. You know,

769
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get guys playing the last three or four

770
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: minutes if if if there's a you know, if there's

771
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: a way to win. But this year there's been so

772
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: much talk about the jajah is getting into the league,

773
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: getting into the game, and Westbrook not getting into it.

774
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: And I think that the social media, the fact that

775
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: you could vote on social media, the average fan uh

776
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: and and and the the unaveraged fan is getting involved

777
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: with the voting. And obviously it's for the fans, but

778
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: I feel like at this point that the players are

779
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: being cheated. Doesn't matter. If you're a player like Russell Westbrook,

780
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: are you pissed that you're not starting? How much does

781
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: it mean? And what do you think can change it?

782
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: And explain like all Star game mentality, uh, from a

783
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: player's point of view, if you see the last couple

784
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: of years, when Russell Westbrook is in our the game,

785
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: they really don't want Russ in the West in the

786
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: All Star Game. Because Russ is going for fifty. He's

787
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: playing the All Star Game just like he played real game.

788
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: He only knows one way, he only knows one speed,

789
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and that's a hundred and ten that I don't. I

790
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: don't think Russ is upset, you know. I think in

791
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the back of his mind he like, I know I

792
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: should be starting, you know so. But I think the

793
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: biggest thing with Russ he more worried about getting his

794
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: team to the playoffs without k D. Damn the All

795
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: Star I don't. I don't think that's big to Russ

796
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: right now. You know whin the m v P without

797
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: k D would be big. Getting his team to the

798
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: playoffs and having success in the playoffs without k D.

799
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I think that would be big. But I'm all, I'm all.

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00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm all for for the fans voting having some type

801
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: of input, but hold on, but not that much. Where

802
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Zaza Pachulia has a chance to make the All Star Game.

803
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: No fucking way, Mike, I'm sorry, no way. Zazi should

804
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: never make the All Star Game. Even if it was

805
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: forty players on each team, he still shouldn't make it.

806
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: Do you do? Do you think they're gonna change it,

807
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: Like do you like well, I mean, I think maybe

808
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: at this point it should be like half and half.

809
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Maybe the fans shouldn't vote in the starters, maybe the

810
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: players coaches in the league. I I don't know what

811
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: the solution is, but for me, like going to so

812
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: many All Star games and watching so many All Star

813
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: games as a kid, it's gotten like even like the

814
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: Dunk contest last year, like the you know, Zach and

815
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: the other dude they put it on. But I feel like,

816
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, like Dominique and Jordan they this was like

817
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: that was like Ali Fraser, Like, I feel like, like

818
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: the whole All Star weekend, the stakes have gotten so

819
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: much lower and it's too cute. See and I get it,

820
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: you want to chill, you've been playing, but I disagree.

821
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you right because it is

822
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: not how it used to be. You know, people used

823
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: to go to All Star Weekend to see the best

824
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: players compete at a high level from east from each conference.

825
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: I think they should switch it up where the coaches

826
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: and the media should have an input on the All

827
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Star players and the fans should have the imp it

828
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: on who's in the Dunk contest, who's in the three

829
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: point contest, who's in the skills contest? And even even

830
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: the fans can pick where the All Star Game is.

831
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, they should be able to to to have

832
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: the input and stuff like that. But but guys who

833
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: actually played the game. It should be the coaches who

834
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: watched these guys every night and the media people who

835
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: look at these stats every night, they should decide who

836
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: are the top ten best players in the league. I agree?

837
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: All right, Yo, Moles, we got calls, all right, I'm

838
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: excited about taking calls, man, I'm excited. Yeah, let's do it, yo, Heath.

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Speaker 1: Just the Iron Rapports Stereo podcast. You're on here with

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Speaker 1: Michael Rappaport and El Capitan. Stephen Jackson. What's the deal.

841
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: What's up? Oh? Man? Uh? What's up? Guys? What's up? Stephen? Uh?

842
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: Just question. Have y'all seen this Instagram post that Ray

843
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: gion Arando just put. Yeah I just saw it. I

844
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: just saw man, Yeah, I just saw it. What what

845
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: what is it? I didn't see it. It's a post,

846
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: you know. Jimmy Jimmy Butler came on the news on

847
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: his terview yesterday saying that the team don't care when

848
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: they lose. That the duh, we need to care more

849
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: about win any more. Passion that the duh. And Wade

850
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: said something similar to it. Rondo posts on this Instagram

851
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: not too long ago, saying when he was in Boston,

852
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: his vets wouldn't throw the young guys under the bus

853
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: when we all when we lost, we all lost. When

854
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: it was when we lost games, you can hear a

855
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: pin drop. Uh, the events would pick us up. We

856
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: will all be one. We wouldn't bash our young guys

857
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: that the du And that's what Rondo had to say.

858
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: Now me personally, he I can, I can? I could?

859
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I could get it from both ways because as a

860
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: VET you have to be kind of somewhat lead to

861
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: the younger guys because this day, first time going around.

862
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: So a lot of them don't know how to win,

863
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of them. A lot of them

864
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: come from shitty college programs. They don't know how to win.

865
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: They was just bad, they were just the best player

866
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: on their team. So they don't know how to win, right,

867
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: So I can understand that I can't. But but don't

868
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: you think, don't you think like ron I didn't see

869
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: the post, but Rondo do doing that, it's the same thing.

870
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: He's throwing them under the bus. And what is your

871
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: opinion of Rondo? Like my opinion is at this point,

872
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: I feel like, yo, you you've been in the league.

873
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years. You're not a kid anymore.

874
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: I get it when dudes are twenty one, twenty three

875
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: and you got attitudes and and half of the reason

876
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: why you're in the league, other than your talent, your

877
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: hard work and everything else, is that attitude. You know

878
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: that that made him who he is. But at this point,

879
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: at a certain point, it's like every place he goes

880
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: to there's a problem, like literally every single whether they're

881
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: winning or losing. Obviously, when you're winning, you could cover

882
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: it up like Boston, but like Sacramento, you knew that

883
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work. And then I thought, like, you know,

884
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, since since he got taken out the line up,

885
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: so Rondo, obviously you're not playing well, so you're getting

886
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: taken out the line So obviously you are a problem.

887
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: Because like you said, East team has been on has

888
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: been a cancer, and you get taken out the lineup

889
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: where you definitely needed on that team. They had to

890
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: go trade and get Michael card Williams to come and

891
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: play point guard. So Rondo, I understand what he's saying,

892
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: but you're not helping the team at all by being

893
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: the council, not by and by not being in the game.

894
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: That's not helping the team either. I understand tonally what

895
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: Jimmy and and the d Wade means. Listen, the team

896
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: is on our shoulders. We're carrying the buck of the

897
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: load every night. We need everybody to care and play

898
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: just as hard as we are every night. And eight

899
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: of the league to me, Mike, they all all they

900
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: care about is making money and eighty percent of the

901
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: league don't care about winning. So you can't just single

902
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: your team out, you know what I mean, I understand

903
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: these guys on your team, You need to sing out

904
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the whole NBA because it's a whole bunch of motherfucker's

905
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: in the NBA that's making money and don't care about

906
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: winning games. Now, when you played, were you able to

907
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: tell which players really cared and which players didn't care?

908
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: And how would you able to? Like? Is it just

909
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the feeling you get, the way they practice, the way

910
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: they warm up, like, how how could you read a

911
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: player that's on your team and be like, yo, what

912
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: are you doing? Well? I can tell by how guy's practice,

913
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: And I can tell by how guys interact with other

914
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: teams when we play them, Like when you when you

915
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: got guys like like when I played on Golden State

916
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: in Indiana, paces we wasn't talking to the other team,

917
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: We weren't hanging out with him before the games, we

918
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: weren't going out to eat with him. We was always together.

919
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: So it's us against the world, you know. And and

920
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys. You know, when you see

921
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: guys talking to guys, they know they're going to play

922
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: against the whole game, you know, some type of way

923
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: that they really playing buddy buddy ball. You know what

924
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We didn't. We didn't do that. We didn't

925
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: do that at all. We're coming to compete, We're coming

926
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: to win games. And you can see it in our faces,

927
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, Mike, you know when you're not in the

928
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: mood and somebody walk up to you know, how to

929
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: hold that face where don't bother me? That was that

930
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: was that staring face. We had that star face before

931
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: every game. Uh. I remember when I played against the

932
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: Rockets and I told Chader Parsons he saying something slick,

933
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: And I told my saif bro I was thrown, I

934
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: was stopped the garry and now busting your mouth, and

935
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: I and and look and I was after him like

936
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: the next ten minutes of the game, right, James harden Ship,

937
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: remember this, Uh was James hard you know? Was I

938
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: think with somebody else in the team. He leaned over

939
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: to his teammate, was like, is he serious. I'm like,

940
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: hell yeah. I walked in between him, like hell yeah,

941
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm serious us. From the rest of the game, I

942
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: was getting layups the rest of the game. I lost

943
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: total respect for Chandler Parsons after that. It's a whole

944
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: bunch of guys like that that don't care, that's not

945
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: willing to go to the the extra mile, that just give

946
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: you what you want as long as they're making them checks.

947
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: So when you let him know what it was, he

948
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: was spooked. He quit. That was it. He quit. He

949
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: didn't even want to play no more. He thought you

950
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: were just playing a regular basketball game. He could talk slick, right,

951
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: And when he and he went by the referees, I

952
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: cursed the referees. I let him know that I was

953
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: dead as serious. And then this is another thing. You

954
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: can't play for the Rockets and and and beef for me.

955
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: You gotta live in that city, from that area. So

956
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: that's a note. That's a no win situation for you, right,

957
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: I hear you? All right? What's the next call? Who

958
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: we got yo? Ace? It's the Iron Rapports Stereo podcast.

959
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm in here with the Captain l Capitan Stephen Jackson.

960
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: That's Captain Jack's right there. What's up? Hey? What's good man?

961
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: What's good? Not much? Are you? I'm I'm good man,

962
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm chilling. I'm chilling. Hey, real quick. This is a

963
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: cherious question. Did uh shifting on a group of people

964
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: from Boston play any part in you accepting a role

965
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: in New Additions? Ha? Ha, you know what question? You

966
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: know what, that's a valid question. Not not, not at all.

967
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that until you brought it up,

968
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, doing the New Addition movie. Listen, we when

969
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, man, I don't know how

970
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: old you are, Ace, but when I was a kid,

971
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: New Addition was like it was like a godsend. My

972
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: older sisters. I grew up on that ship. Yeah, man,

973
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: and so so so for me, like, you know, we

974
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: wanted to learn the songs. It was like totally knew

975
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: they were from Boston. They had flavor, but it wasn't

976
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: really New York flavor they were singing, so it was

977
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: like derivative of the Jackson five, which we needed at

978
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: that time. And they were the first ones to rhyme

979
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: on a song. New addition to me in my head

980
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: was like it made Boston like a place. It was like,

981
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: what is this place? Because they looked like they were

982
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: from New York but it was obviously something different. Uh,

983
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: And they were flying and you know, I'm glad people

984
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: are loving the movie, and you know the ratings will

985
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: mean good and I'm happy for BT. You've got any

986
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: questions specifically from me and Captain all right? Yo, I

987
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Yo, Steven, let me ask you a question.

988
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: If you had to pick, not including yourself, you you're

989
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: the sixth man out of all the teammates you play

990
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: with it and and there's like literally gotta be over

991
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: a hundred with the different teams and the roster changes

992
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: as an NBA player, your teammates, if you had to say,

993
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm You're gonna be the sixth man, and you're gonna say,

994
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: these are my five guys I'm gonna take on the

995
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: world with. You could have a three guard rotation, two

996
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: big men. Whatever you want. You're the six man. If

997
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: you would go, this is the best team of teammates

998
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: I played with. Who would be that starting five? Well,

999
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: my my sinner and powerful would be from Spurs, Tim

1000
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Duncan to Day Rose. And of course, how how good

1001
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: were those two guys when they when when you were

1002
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: with them, Oh, man, teams couldn't get a shot off.

1003
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, we were all we had to do. It

1004
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: was great for me because I'm a defender that likes

1005
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: to put pressure on guards and get up and guard them.

1006
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Every time I got beat, I had Tim and Dave

1007
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: back there. I mean that was a luxury. No team

1008
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: had two big guys like that to protect the room.

1009
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean that that was a blessing that was that

1010
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: would made me a good defender. But them two at

1011
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: the at the four and five, my point guard would

1012
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: be Baron Davis. Baron Davis will be my point guard. Obviously,

1013
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: me being the sixth man, I would have Reggie mill

1014
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: as my shooting guard. Jesus and I have rhn Test

1015
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: is my small forward and I would come off the

1016
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: bench day. That's that's that's a cool right there. You know,

1017
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: when was in Indiana, you know, I remember I can't

1018
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: remember what year was. It might have been, I can't

1019
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: remember what season it was, but he had made the

1020
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: All Star Game. Carlisle was the coach, and I remember,

1021
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, All Star Game. You know this better than

1022
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: I do. But I was just you know, I'm a

1023
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: fan of these things. But you could tell some dudes

1024
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: are just like there to play. Some dudes are they're chilling.

1025
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: Some dudes are coming into the to the to the practice.

1026
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: You know, they had a little funny smells on him.

1027
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: I remember watching Steve carl Rick, Carlisle, and Ron our

1028
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: Test work out for about an hour and a half

1029
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: before the All Star practice. It was just the two

1030
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: of them, full sweat. This is this is on Saturday,

1031
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: on on your your quote unquote weekend off. Why was

1032
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Ron our test so good during the like his period

1033
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: of just you know, I mean, what made him so special?

1034
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: See it's funny you say that because one thing a

1035
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know is me and Ron we

1036
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: both was close to leading the league in minutes. When

1037
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: we played. Ron used to play thirty eight minutes a game,

1038
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: boy the minutes of game and go get on the

1039
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: treadmill for thirty minutes after every game. Are you serious

1040
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: thirty minutes after time, fresh fresh out the game, you

1041
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: don't he go go right in there with his uniform

1042
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: and run another thirty minutes. Because you know, a lot

1043
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: of times guys that don't play, they have to do

1044
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: extra cardio, so they do it. Sometimes they do it

1045
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: after games because they don't know if they're gonna play

1046
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: on that So after games, when those guys that don't

1047
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: play going to do cardio, Iran's right in there with

1048
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: him doing the same drills they do, like as if

1049
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: he didn't even play. This guy work ethic was one

1050
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: of a kind. Wow that that's impressive. So so so

1051
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: to do that. Don't get into the rotation like is

1052
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: it you say, do they have to do it for

1053
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: themselves or is it part of like being a professional back.

1054
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, most guys should want to do

1055
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: it for himself, but that's not the case. You don't play,

1056
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: you don't play a certain amount of minutes a game,

1057
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: you gotta do a certain amount of cardio before after

1058
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: the game. That's stay in shape so when you if

1059
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: you do get an opportunity, you're not in too bad

1060
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: of shape. Oh wow, that's that's That's why I made

1061
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: sure I wasn't hurt. And I've always played because I

1062
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: don't want to do that bullshit cardio running in one

1063
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: place for thirty minutes. Now, I'd rather get my cardio

1064
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: and playing. How much fun was it when you were

1065
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: playing with the Warriors that team? And I was there

1066
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: in Golden State in Oakland the deciding game when you

1067
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: dismantled the Dirk Navinski uh M v P season. I

1068
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: can't remember what what year was that I was at

1069
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: that game? I I can't remember, No b did he

1070
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: Baron hooked me? I was courtside and I was courtsd

1071
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Mavericks bench. How much fun was that team? Uh?

1072
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: That Golden State team? Like? How much fun was that

1073
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: entire ride? Well, you know it was fun for me

1074
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: because I had been through a lot that year. You know,

1075
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I got traded to go to State because you know,

1076
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: I had to. Uh. I don't know if I ever

1077
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: told you about the Strip Club incide when I was

1078
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: when I had to shoot up the Strip Club got

1079
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: hit by a car. We're gonna get into that. Heard that, Yeah,

1080
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: that's why I got traded. So I was already on

1081
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: probation right for the brawl in Detroit. So the season

1082
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: were getting ready to start and uh, some guys end

1083
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: up chasing Jamal and end up Strip Club. That's a

1084
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: whole another incident. Yeah, so that's why I got traded

1085
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: to go to Tinsley. Yeah, so that's why I got

1086
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: traded the Golden State. But the good thing about it

1087
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: was I was so happy when we got there because

1088
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: when we got there, we first got there, we wasn't winning,

1089
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, in some type of way. You know, we

1090
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: kept playing, and the city got behind this. The whole

1091
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: Bay Area got behind us. I mean, the Bay Area

1092
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: was crazy. I just go to the Bay now, and

1093
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: even though they won the championship, a lot of people

1094
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: tell us the Bay still hasn't been the same since

1095
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: y'all left. Now, we started the fast ball, that, the

1096
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: long threes, we started all that, and beating Dallas was

1097
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: good for two reasons. One reason was, like I said,

1098
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: I've been through a lot that year, and the half

1099
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: thirty three points in games in the game six decided

1100
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: to beating the number one seed was great for me.

1101
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, I felt like, Okay, I got out of

1102
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: that off me. I can show people. They said a

1103
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: lot about me, but they never sat and play this game,

1104
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: you know. And I showed him that. And to win

1105
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: for don Nelson, the way he left Dallas and dealing

1106
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: with Mark Cuban was solid. They they were they were

1107
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: really getting into it, and we wanted to win that

1108
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: game for him. I knew I could punk Dirk. I

1109
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: knew I knew I had his number. I had his

1110
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: number from when I played with San Antonio. Now, how so,

1111
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: like I look at you, I'm like, obviously, Stephen Jackson

1112
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: is not that dude that you want to funk with,

1113
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: and you're a great player. Because there's a lot of

1114
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: dudes and are ask kickers. There's a lot of tough guys,

1115
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of guys that are tough

1116
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: guys that are actually NBA players. And then there's guys

1117
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: that are sort of like just you know, I don't

1118
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: know who they are, but you get us as like

1119
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: certain dudes are just incredible players, but they're nerds. And

1120
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: then Dirk, obviously he's foreign, but he's part of the

1121
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: legally when you say punk them, like, how do you mean?

1122
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: Like you like you're making him nervous? Are you making

1123
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable on the court? Is he feel like you know,

1124
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: Stacks might smack the ship out of me? Is it

1125
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of both? Is it mind games? How

1126
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: do you get into his head? And he's obviously so great.

1127
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: You're not the first person to talk shipped to him, right.

1128
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: You know a good thing about Dirk is I had

1129
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: respect for Dirk, so he knew. It was to the

1130
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: point where I was telling them, Dirk, I gotta kick

1131
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: your ass like we never I never had that back

1132
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: and forth with him, but he knew I wanted to

1133
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: let him touch the ball. He likes to go let

1134
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I saw him right every time. He can't go right.

1135
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: He can't go right at all. To this day, if

1136
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: you watched the Dallas Mavericks, He's gonna try to get

1137
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: to his left hand every time. You know, nobody knew

1138
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: him better than Don Nelson. He gave me all the

1139
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: tools I needed to know about Dirk's game. I studied

1140
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: the tape every night, I watched tape all day, and

1141
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: I knew how to stop him. And because I stopped

1142
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: him all year with We played him four times that

1143
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: season and beat him almost every time, So I knew

1144
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: his game. And I was real confident coming into a

1145
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: series because Dirk doesn't like guys that that guarden four

1146
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: court that bumped him, that make it real difficult for him,

1147
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: and I knew I was able. I was capable of

1148
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: doing that for the whole series. And the size, like,

1149
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: because what are you six five six six six? Come on, Mike,

1150
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm six to sixty now, Damn, I didn't know you

1151
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: were six eight. Yeah, I know you cocked diesel, but

1152
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I was always like, I didn't know you were six eight.

1153
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: So but even that, though you're six eight, ship, I

1154
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: didn't know you were six eight six e God, damn,

1155
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to see you in the alley man six. Hey, Mike, Mike,

1156
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I guarded Chris Bosh, I got a zebo. I got

1157
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: a two, three, four and five my whole career, So

1158
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about that. So, so when you're

1159
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: guarding guys that are seven ft six and eleven, and

1160
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: Dirk is a long tall like what is he listened

1161
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: at seven? Dirk? And least I'll give him at least

1162
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: six eleven. Yeah, because and then somethings like Kevin Garnett,

1163
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Like I met Kevin Garnett a few times. I'm like,

1164
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're seven feet, but there's a certain length,

1165
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: like there's like, I don't know, maybe his torsos, Like

1166
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: he just feels longer than seven ft. When you're guarding

1167
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: a guy six eleven, is it spacing, is its speed

1168
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: or is it depends on who that player is that

1169
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: you're trying to, like to try to shut them down. Well,

1170
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, the seven ft is the best thing to

1171
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: do is you're stronger than them. Like most of them

1172
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: are straight up in there. They all thin, so they

1173
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: can't back me down there. They'd be real surprised when

1174
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: they don't. They can't back me down, they can't move me.

1175
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: And the thing is too, you know, they're tall, so

1176
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times when you box out or go

1177
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: at their knees, they really back up. They shot away

1178
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: because they're really tall guys. I wasn't a dirty player,

1179
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: but I always knew what talk a talker like that.

1180
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: In order to take the advantage of you gotta take

1181
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: away and ease and bring him, make him shut and

1182
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: bring him down to your level. And that's what I

1183
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: always did against taller guys. I was stronger than them.

1184
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: I didn't let them back me down, didn't let him

1185
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: intimidate me, and I just tried to go at their needs.

1186
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: Because of being tall was a definitely big advantage. Now,

1187
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: going back to don Nelson, why did you love him

1188
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: so much? What what made him such a great coach

1189
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: and what made him such a great coach for you

1190
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: and for that team? Like what was his sort of

1191
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: disposition with the players at that point. Well, I'm I'm

1192
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three situations. One he he would,

1193
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: he would. He was one of my favorite coaches because

1194
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: not only is he to winning this coach in NBA history,

1195
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: he gave me one of the best compliments I've ever

1196
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: had after after we beat Dallas in the in the

1197
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: first round, which he asked me, he asked the me

1198
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: to asked him what he what? What did he think

1199
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: about Stephen Jacks's performance? And don Nelson replied was if

1200
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I had to, if I could create my team, I

1201
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: would like I would like to have five Stephen Jackson

1202
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: on the court at one at the same time. Always.

1203
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: I would like to always have five you know, that

1204
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: meant the world coming from the winning this coach saying

1205
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: that he would like to have five Stephen Jackson's on

1206
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: the court at the same time, that meant the world

1207
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: of me. Second, he was he was just one of

1208
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: those down the earth coaches. I'm uh, this is a

1209
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: story that I tell a lot of people help us

1210
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: understand my relationship with him. Um beginning of the season.

1211
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: It was two days for the season starting. Don Nelson

1212
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: likes to play shuffle board and he likes to drink scotch.

1213
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 1: So he called me and Baron Davis to a bar

1214
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: not too far from where we lived in uh in

1215
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: Alameda and uh, I mean Oakland, excuse me. And we

1216
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: met him there and we're not you know, we're not

1217
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: knowing how that's gonna go. He has he has his friend,

1218
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: coach Rolly with him, and we he just sitting there like, guys,

1219
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: you guys are my captains that of the du Uh

1220
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: you guys gonna leave the team. I'm gonna let you

1221
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: guys be you that. He always let us be us.

1222
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 1: Five by five to ten minutes later, it's like two

1223
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: bottles of scotching, a whole bunch of shot glasses, we

1224
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: can think. I remember I said, our first game is

1225
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: two days away. We run through at least two or

1226
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: three bottles of bottles of McCallan twelve. Excuse me, and

1227
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: I've never drunk scots before. So men, Barron was so

1228
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: wasted and we end up laughing all night, and he

1229
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: tells us all kind of stories. And when he played

1230
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: that builded a bond with with with with a guy

1231
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: that I never thought I'll be that especially a coach

1232
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: did I'll be that coach with And the third instance

1233
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: it was it just crazy. Nobody knows this story. So

1234
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: it's the first time this story. Somebody's hearing this story.

1235
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: We're in Utah and uh, the drug test people are around,

1236
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, to get our last drug tests so we

1237
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: can smoke, right and every don Nelson we talked about

1238
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: weed all the time. He was cool, We're talking about weed.

1239
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: We got our last test in Utah, all right. So

1240
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: me and Barren coming out the locker room, just screaming,

1241
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: excited right with our with our last peak slip to

1242
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: send that we could smoke for the rest of the season.

1243
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: And don Nelson Halls Halls as down there giving us

1244
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: high fives like yeah, we could smoke. It was cool.

1245
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: It was cool. The fact that he knows what's going

1246
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: on off the court with his players WI which was great. Man.

1247
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: We enjoyed and that's why we were a great team.

1248
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: That's dope, all right. You you brought up the weed

1249
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and and you know, I don't know

1250
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: like how it works, what the drug tests are, and

1251
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: I know you're not a snitched dude. But based on

1252
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: what you would say guestimation, you could give alternate facts.

1253
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: You could give alternate Stephen Jackson facts. How prominent do

1254
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: you think marijuana smoking? And it's crazy because so many

1255
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: of these states it's actually legal. You're a young guy,

1256
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: you might be in a state like Colorado or Denver

1257
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles where you could like it's literally like

1258
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: going to a seven eleven. You know, like I don't

1259
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: know anybody who's listening, who who's not from one of

1260
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: these states where where it's legal. You have to understand

1261
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: the legalized states. It's literally like going to your friendly

1262
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: neighborhood and it's it's crazy and they're like, don't know

1263
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: your name is, Like not that I go in there,

1264
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: not that I don't go in there. But if you

1265
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: go in there, they'll be like Mr Rogers, nice to

1266
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: see you. It because like your your neighborhood. It's like Cheers.

1267
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: It's like how's your kids. Oh you got that new car?

1268
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: Did you get the loan on your house. It's like

1269
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: like it's like literally walking into Cheers. You get that

1270
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: loan on your house and pick up the grape coach

1271
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: and a couple of these and a couple of those

1272
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: and throw me in a little something. But but based

1273
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: on what you know and and gu estimation, how prominent

1274
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: is marijuana in the in the in the NBA today. Listen, man,

1275
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: one thing about basketball. There's no p E D s,

1276
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: no steroids. It's nothing like that. From my experience in

1277
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: the league, the players that I've been around, guys don't

1278
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: really even drink. Some guys do drink, some guys don't smoke.

1279
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a higher percentage of guys that smoked

1280
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: than drink. You know. Um, I know, coming especially in

1281
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: my time, everybody smoked, you know after games. When I

1282
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: came in the league, it was only one drug test

1283
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: and that was in the beginning of the season and

1284
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: training camp. You knew what it co. You could smoke

1285
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. That was the good days. Yeah,

1286
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: that was that. That was the good days. That that's

1287
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: that's when they was calling the Portland the trail Blazers

1288
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: when they had received grand bonds. Right, it was real.

1289
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: It was a real on the time. But you know,

1290
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys do it because that's that's

1291
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: the best way to relax. You take so much stuff

1292
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: to get up for the games, and guys don't like

1293
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: taking all that pills and stuff to heal. Go home,

1294
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: smoke your black man, You sleep good now. Now. Now,

1295
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: the thing I don't understand. I listen, I ain't professional athlete,

1296
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: and honestly, you know, I I smoke my weed. I

1297
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: wish I could be one of these people who could smoke, smoke,

1298
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: smoke all day and be productive. And I can't. I can't.

1299
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: But the thing that I don't get is that I,

1300
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, I do my little workouts and all that stuff.

1301
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: And I know when you know, you guys are in

1302
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: the NBA, you're young, your kids, your see, your body

1303
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: is different and all that stuff. But how could you

1304
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: be a high level athlete play any two minutes and

1305
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, eighty two games, play these intense NBA games

1306
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mess with your cardio. That's the thing

1307
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: that I just don't get right. Well, you know, Mike,

1308
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: I can't speak for nobody else me personally. I've done

1309
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of ship before a game sometimes and still

1310
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: was out there to go out and be productive. I

1311
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: just gotta be real. You know. It's been a couple

1312
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: of games where I smoked before games and had great games.

1313
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: It's been some games where I smoked before the game

1314
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: and was on the bench after three minutes, sitting on

1315
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: the sideline. So please calm down. Just how it has

1316
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: to come down the shot, I didn't shot three shots

1317
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: and then went over the backboard like I'm gonna be honest.

1318
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: It's like, I gotta calm down. But you know, guys

1319
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: do it, some guys. You know, some guys do. But

1320
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: I think it's way more guys that do it because

1321
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's it brings you down. You know, guys

1322
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: don't want to be more beat up and still be

1323
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: hyped once they get home. They want to calm down.

1324
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: And I don't a lot. It has to be in

1325
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: your DNA, Mike. I've been you know, I started smoking

1326
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: at a young age around twelve thirteen, so honestly, we

1327
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: don't do nothing to me. I can go out and

1328
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: play all day and run all days. Still my metabolism

1329
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: been high, been high. So it's more mental than anything.

1330
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: I got you. So you you said about p DS. Now,

1331
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: obviously you know the different sports baseball, football, track and field,

1332
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. There's never been any big

1333
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: p HE scandals in the NBA. Okay, you know. You

1334
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, you know, there's been rumors that

1335
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: this one and that, and you know, going back to

1336
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's and his body changes from what you know

1337
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: just on what you know steroids, performance enhancement drugs. Is

1338
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: that not a thing? Is it just not a cultural

1339
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: part of the NBA? Or is it just or there

1340
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: is there testing just so weak and they don't want

1341
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: any part of finding out if it actually is a

1342
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: part of it the NBA. It's not as as not

1343
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: a part of the NBA, because I think if anybody's

1344
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: on p d s, it will be easy to tell

1345
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: in the n B A, you know, it'll be easy

1346
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: to tell. The nb A more worried about guys doing

1347
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: uh ecstasy and stuff like that. You got guys felling

1348
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: for more stuff like that. Nowadays O J. Mayo birdmany

1349
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: they felling for real drugs, you know, serious hardcore drugs.

1350
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't think guys guys wouldn't do performance and handsome

1351
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: drugs because you gotta think, like you said earlier, a

1352
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: lot of these guys been playing with these guys their

1353
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: whole life. If you you you all of a sudden

1354
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: in in the sea is at uh to twin and

1355
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: you come back to a d all muscle running like

1356
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: a gazelle, somebody gonna know that you took something. And

1357
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: then now in the NBA, you know they have the

1358
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: they do random p D testing in the summertime. But

1359
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: but but not so so they'll just like, and how

1360
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: does that work? Like a player, Like, They'll just show

1361
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: up at your house. I'm from Nada or Vada, whatever

1362
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: it's from, take a piss in the cup, they watch

1363
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: you piss and and and that's it. And I've never

1364
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: had them come testing for p DS. But that they

1365
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: just ratheroidly pick guys. I guess guys who you know

1366
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: come back from injury fast. U you know, they picked

1367
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: their guys out. They never they knew I wasn't on

1368
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: p d so they never came to check me out. Alright, alright,

1369
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: that makes sense. All right, we got a phone We

1370
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: got a phone call. Alright, Who is it? All right,

1371
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cee Iron Rapports stereo podcast. This is Michael Rapport.

1372
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: You're in here with the Captain El Cappy time. Stephen Jackson.

1373
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: What do you got? What's up? Buddy? What's up? What's up?

1374
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: First named Jonathan, last name Judie ry Duty. Yes, right,

1375
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: we believe that knows off the change. How do we

1376
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: get you back on this year's teams? Who so we

1377
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: can get you a ring? Man? You know what, man,

1378
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: you got my hands sweating right now. Man, I uh

1379
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: that that city is especially to me. Man, Like, I

1380
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, but Steve Kerr had called me,

1381
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, earlier this summer and asked me about coming

1382
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: to camp. It didn't happen. Even he even he even

1383
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: thought about bringing me in for a coaching job. He

1384
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: threw both of those things on the table and they

1385
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: didn't have him. I don't blame Steve. He's my guy.

1386
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: Him and Mike Brown are both of my guys. Man.

1387
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to get back there this year to

1388
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: play our coach you know, I think I think that's

1389
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: an organization that throwing my career that showed me a

1390
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of love, a city that love, that showed me

1391
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of love while I was playing. Uh, if

1392
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: any way possible I can get back and work for

1393
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: the organization, it's gonna be a blessing and hopefully one

1394
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: day had to happen. That's a good question, it's a

1395
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: good answer. You got any other questions for the captain? Yeah? Man,

1396
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: how hard could you take out on Bron? I mean

1397
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: that that was flopping all over the places the Yeah,

1398
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: hey man, I tell you this, man, I was able

1399
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: to guard him when I play. You know, when I

1400
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: was playing. I definitely can guard him now. But you

1401
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: know he do that flopping on me, I'm gonna let

1402
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: it be now. I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna tell

1403
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: him to his face here, pussy. You know, I ain't

1404
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: abudy my tongue. I've never been my tongue from anybody.

1405
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna buy it for Lebron. If he's flopping

1406
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: on me, I'm gonna let him know. Say, man, you're

1407
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: playing bitch ball and that's not how we play. Cap

1408
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, who's the player that

1409
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: you guarded that like that you were just like, I

1410
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta tighten my shoes up tonight. Just in

1411
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: terms of the competitiveness, the skill level, the talent, Like

1412
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: if you have to say one, I know there's gotta

1413
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: be a handful. But if you were just like this,

1414
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: this is the one guy I don't want to have

1415
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: to guard in the three on three contests, or that

1416
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: you love to guard the most because they were just

1417
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: so good. Who is the guy like that you would go?

1418
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be the best player, but just

1419
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: for you because certain matchup, certain skill set, who would

1420
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: who would be one of the guys? Well, well, it's

1421
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: three guys that I love playing against and I competed

1422
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: against him. You know, one was Kobe. Of course he

1423
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: was so relentless. Man, I love Guarden Kobe because I

1424
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: had to work every play and uh, you know the

1425
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: the he was he was just hard to go. He

1426
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: was relentless. Explain Explain is it is it his skill set?

1427
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: Was he just tenacious? Like? What was it like? Give me,

1428
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: give me, give me specifics of it. Okay, you know,

1429
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: you know when you're playing basketball and you're the best

1430
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: player on the team. You got the green light. Okay,

1431
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: so just imagine being great as Kobe was with the

1432
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: lime green light. He can shoot anytime he want. He

1433
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: can do whatever on the court. So you have to

1434
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: be are you gonna get embarrassed? You know what I mean?

1435
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: And I definitely wasn't trying to get embarrassed. And I

1436
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: wanted to make him work as hard as I could,

1437
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: because he's one of those guys you couldn't stop. You

1438
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: just had to make a difficult for him, trying to

1439
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: make him miss some shots that he would normally make.

1440
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, um Ron Test was another one. You know Ron,

1441
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: when you're going against him, Well, for some reason, we

1442
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: both felt like we was the toughest guy in the

1443
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: NBA at all times. So when we play, it was

1444
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: more of wrestling. It was just me and him trying

1445
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: to fight for I'm talking about. This was real prison basketball.

1446
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: When men run a Test go against each other, both

1447
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: of us might end up with too quick files and

1448
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, and out the game early. We might file

1449
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: out like it's just wrastling, like we're not giving each

1450
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: other nothing. And how strong because they talk about run

1451
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: Test strength in his product, like I think it's I

1452
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: think his brute strength is why he's still even in

1453
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: the league now exactly. You know, we both we both

1454
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: got those tree stumps, we got big calves, we got

1455
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: strong basis. So let's say it was like wrestlers like

1456
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: to linebackers trying to get a rebound. You know that

1457
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: never got a rebound in their life. You know, it

1458
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: was like that. But you know, one guy gotta give

1459
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: credit to Bro that I love playing against him was

1460
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: bondsi Wells because not only was he one of the

1461
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: best post players that were playing the NBA as a guard,

1462
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: but the way he competed, you know, you know, every

1463
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: playdown we was talking track, We're talking trash to each other.

1464
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: Like the way he played the game is the way

1465
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: I like to play every night. I want to talk trash.

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: I want to get into the heat of the game.

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01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: He brought that out of me every time we played

1468
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: until not only were we cool, but he brought it

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: out of me because just having bragging rights, you know,

1470
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: having bragging rights and loving the game, just just that

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01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: passion for the game you can't teach. And a lot

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01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: of guys in my era had it. And see Mike

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01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: coming up now, they don't understand what the basketball has

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01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: done for guys in my area. Like a lot of

1475
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: us came up poor, a lot of a lot of us,

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people before I didn't get the opportunities

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01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: we got, you know, So to be able to make

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: it to the NBA and take care of my family

1479
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: and what the NBA has done to change my life.

1480
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: I love the guys that played and wanting to die

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: for it because I know it's a million people that

1482
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: would love the opportunity. Hey, it's a million people in jail.

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01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: It's probably hundred it's probably a hundred thousand people better

1484
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: in basketball. Actually NBA players, they just never got the opportunity, right, yeah,

1485
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 1: you know, and you know the best athletes in jail.

1486
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: I y I, I hear you, man, And there is

1487
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: so many opportunities because you know it, you make the mistake.

1488
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew guys growing up in New York

1489
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: City that we're just as good as the best of

1490
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: the best, and they didn't either came and it just

1491
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: came natural. Alamo, it was a guy named Alamo, Rest

1492
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: in peace. He died the Black Widow. He was awesome,

1493
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: a street ball player. I definitely think he could have

1494
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: played in the league. He was six eight, had the

1495
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: handles of Stephen Marl Berry can shoot it all, but

1496
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: he never got the opportunity. Is the Iron Rapp Podcast

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Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. Welcome to play, a new

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Speaker 1: podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment,

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Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot in All right,

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Speaker 1: rego go brother, rego Listen, you're here in the Iron

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01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: Wrappports stereo podcast. You're with the Captain El Capitan. What

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: is what? What's the deal? Rego all? I do you

1503
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: want to know you want to NBA Championship? No, not now,

1504
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: not now. They're not good enough. Now they can get

1505
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: de Marcus Cousins or another big guy. I know, I

1506
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: know they definitely have said with Al Harford. I don't

1507
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: know where he had. He probably isn't even Dominican An

1508
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: probably Dominican Republic or the at the Puerto Rican Day

1509
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: Parade or something, because he hasn't been in the NBA

1510
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: all season. I don't know where he had. But I

1511
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: know they upset with Al Harford. But no way, I mean,

1512
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: I said, Thomas is great, he's one of the best

1513
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: in the game, All Star, but he's not enough to

1514
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: win the championship, Chief Carlo, I don't know if melos

1515
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: the answer. Obviously, Mello would make them better because they

1516
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: already compete with Cleveland. If you know Boston, the history

1517
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: of Boston, you know they played well against Cleveland. And

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: Melo would make them a better team and a better

1519
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: scoring team. So Mello would definitely make them better and

1520
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: uh and make them compete with Cleveland for sure. Yeah,

1521
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: but they'd have to give up. They'd have to give

1522
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: up something substantial, and it ain't gonna be you know

1523
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: they're not and there, yeah, right, and then you're not

1524
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna gain anything defensively with with Carmelo. And I'm a

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: Carmelo fan. And and Boston has a strong like they

1526
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: have a rough, rough crew, you know, like from top

1527
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: to bottom, like those guys can beat and I think

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: they get the best out of what they have. But

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: if they if they got Carmelo, I don't know if

1530
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna give up Avery Bradley, Who's gonna be the

1531
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: defensive stopper. It ain't Carmelo. It ain't Carmelo. He can

1532
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: crossed over in the phone booth. So it ain't Melo.

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: What thank you? Thank you for your call Rigo or rico, Yo.

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: Captain's defense effort is its skill? Is it a little

1535
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: bit of both? How much of being a good defensive player? Uh?

1536
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: Is heart? How much of it is effort? What is

1537
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: the key to being a good defensive player? Two things

1538
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: and you said them both. You have to want to

1539
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: play defense, and you have to have enough heart to

1540
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: want to go out there and do whatever it takes

1541
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: to stop your man. You know a lot of guys

1542
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: don't care about defense. They only care about scoring. You know,

1543
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: you have you have to want to play defense, Mike.

1544
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 1: You know, uh uh Matumbo didn't become a good shocker

1545
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: blocker just because he was taller in the paint. It's

1546
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that hung around the paint that

1547
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: was seven foot, but he wanted to block shots. He

1548
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: went after He wanted to be a great shot blocker

1549
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: because he couldn't score on the other end. So most

1550
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: of the great defensive players take pride in stopping their man,

1551
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: take pride and playing defense and have the heart to

1552
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: do it. And you can't teach that. And and also

1553
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: what don't you think like sort of in a way,

1554
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: a lack of ego, like not being afraid to because

1555
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: I can't stand the Instagram culture and the Twitter culture.

1556
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: He got crossed over this, Like, you know, you ain't

1557
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,799
Speaker 1: crossing somebody over if they if they ain't playing defense.

1558
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, now, I feel like, you know,

1559
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: because you don't want to look bad on TV and

1560
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: growing up that way. You know, Like I feel like

1561
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: in order to be a great defensive player, if you're

1562
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: guarding Kobe Bryant, he's gonna bust your ass, like it

1563
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: comes with the territory and you just gotta keep going.

1564
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you think that that mentality like you

1565
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: just have like you're just have to be committed to

1566
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: the task, and the task isn't gonna You're not always

1567
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: gonna get the stops. Hey, listen, I took pride in

1568
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: the defense. I've been crossed over. I'm on Alan obson

1569
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: uh mixtape on his mix tapes. I'm proud to be

1570
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: on it, right, you know what I mean? I got

1571
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: crossed by But they but they don't show the other

1572
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: fifteen times where that I stole the ball from the wall,

1573
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: block the shot. This is a part of the game.

1574
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a competitive It happens now if you

1575
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: play in the NBA, You're gonna get crossed. You're gonna

1576
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: get dunked on, even if you're not trying, because guys

1577
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: are that good. And when you're definitely playing defense and

1578
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: trying to stop your man, things is gonna happen. Good

1579
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: defensive players don't care about it because they understand gods

1580
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: are just that good. I think it's so stupid. I mean,

1581
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: I get it too in the eye, but I just

1582
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: think at this point, you're you're gonna have young kids

1583
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: growing up who don't want to play actual defense and

1584
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna play fol defense and let a guy go

1585
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: by so they don't get crossed up, and and and listen,

1586
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: who am I to talk. I'm not. I'm a I'm

1587
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: a no level player. But I just think it's hurting

1588
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: the game. And I think that, you know, defense and

1589
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: being a good defensive player, like the way you just

1590
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: articulated also has to do with passing, you know, Like

1591
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: I feel like being a being an unselfish player and

1592
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 1: being a person who who who who who likes passing

1593
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: has less to do with skill, not that passing doesn't

1594
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: take skill obviously, Magic Johnson, Steve Nash, Isaiah Stop these

1595
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: are the great. This is a skill set, but the

1596
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: the the the unselfishness to be a willing passer has

1597
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: less to do with skill set, or has as much

1598
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: to do with skill set as it does with mentality.

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? No, I agree with you,

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01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: because like that's just like being a point guard, a

1601
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: great point guard, like Okay, you have Russell Westbrook, a

1602
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: scoring point guard that can rebind as were very athletic.

1603
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: Then you got a point guard like Chris Poulter is

1604
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: gonna run the team, that's gonna get everybody in their positions.

1605
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: So you've got two different point type of type of

1606
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: players these days. But most teams like point guards like

1607
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: like Chris paul You, they're hard to find. They're hard

1608
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: to find the guys that that that that can run

1609
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 1: the team. So times they change, Mike, time to change.

1610
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: And like said, guys, are they care about playing defense?

1611
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: Because look they're getting the money anyway. Right, all right,

1612
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna take another call. Who we got? Hey, man,

1613
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,959
Speaker 1: this is double a run at Chicago? How you doing search? Shouttown? Shiraq?

1614
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: Was good? What up a run? Haven't had not much? Man?

1615
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: And I actually kind of stick that they I've been

1616
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: laying out to seeing all this crazy stuff going on

1617
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: with the Bulls, and I was just sitting here thinking,

1618
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: man that like the Bulls and the Knicks have become

1619
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: like one giant dysfunctional team now, Like it's just it's

1620
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,719
Speaker 1: crazy to see what's going on with these NBA cities.

1621
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to ask you if you've

1622
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: ever seen anything like this where, you know, cities and

1623
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: teams with fan bases like this, just they can't seem

1624
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: to get out of their own way. Like it's it's

1625
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing to be a Bulls fan right now. You know, well,

1626
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I don't mean to cut you out,

1627
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: but I got a quick answer for you there. You

1628
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: have to blame the people who running these organizations. Okay,

1629
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: then let me say this for Okay, the Bulls lose

1630
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: their rows, you go get Lopez. M That don't add up. Okay,

1631
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: the Okay, the Knicks want to be a better team,

1632
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: they want to be a playoff team, and they want

1633
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: to compete with Cleveland. You go get Lee, you go

1634
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: get Joe, Tim Noah. You you you're taking throwaways from

1635
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: other teams hoping that they will make you to make

1636
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: your team better. You're not getting guys that you know

1637
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: gonna come in and make your team Better's gonna make

1638
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: a difference. Right now, you're hoping on Lopez, You're hoping

1639
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: on Lee. The top of these organizations are definitely the

1640
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: blame because they put these teams together and they're expecting

1641
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: these they're they're expecting these guys to come and just say, hey,

1642
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna win when they haven't been winning their whole career.

1643
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: It just don't work like that. Yeah, man, it's it's crazy,

1644
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: Like I just you know, these two great cities and

1645
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: these fan bases are sick right now. And then no

1646
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: New York has been through it way more. But it's

1647
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: it's wild and and I think you know the way

1648
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 1: these guys are going at each other on social media

1649
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: and and everything. It's just it's not like it used

1650
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: to be. You know, I went social media. It went

1651
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: social media a couple of years back. At social media now,

1652
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of guys don't know how

1653
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: to hand that. You're seeing a lot of these guys

1654
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: that sensitive they got social media. They only hear one

1655
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you they got that. Ralph treasent. They

1656
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: got that sense of sensitivity. All right, you know, I

1657
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: appreciate the call, Captain. We're gonna do one more call.

1658
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: Apparently we got a Lebron call, which is one of

1659
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: my favorite topics. And now I'm gonna let you go.

1660
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: Who we got, yo, Sam? What's the deal to see?

1661
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: I am? I am Sam, I am Sam, I am Yeah. Alright,

1662
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: so here's the deal. I'm sick of this mid season

1663
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: drama every single year where uh, Lebron keeps on talking

1664
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: but there doesn't have enough talent, he doesn't like the

1665
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: owner and he isn't like them. It's uh, it's enough already,

1666
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: and like he's he's got everything he needs. He just

1667
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: won't want a championship. Like what does he want to

1668
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: complain about at this point? You know what? As we

1669
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: said this earlier, one thing Lebron knows when he speaks

1670
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: to everybody listens. Let's say that. Can I say that first?

1671
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 1: He knows that he knows everybody listens, And like Donnie

1672
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: Wah called, he calls all these guys bonus babies when

1673
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: they don't get they want they get the cryme, I

1674
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: want this, I want that, and they have cater to Lebron.

1675
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: Every time he's said something, either the NBA or his

1676
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: team caters to him. Let's be real, so he understands

1677
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: when he speaks. When he speaks, they listen. Now, the

1678
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: fact that he can play anybody need helping a playmaker,

1679
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: that's all. Bs. You just won a championship with this team.

1680
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, go the State got better.

1681
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: Now your team is not good enough. No, what y'all

1682
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: need to do is figure it out. You have the

1683
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: same team. I just think he's just wanting And everybody

1684
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: know around this year, Lebron gets it. He gets to

1685
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: sub tweet and all this type of stuff. So this

1686
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: is nothing new to me. This is expected. Stephen. If

1687
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: if you would say, right now, you're betting the house

1688
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: who's winning the NBA Championship based right now on on

1689
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: the fact that no big players are injured. And I

1690
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: always like Golden State, by the way, the way you know,

1691
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't even put san Antonio before Cleveland. By

1692
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: the way, san Antonio is playing right now in the

1693
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: Kawa Kawha Landers playing right now. As you see. They

1694
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: went to Cleveland and Kauai had twenty points in the

1695
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and they end up beating the beating and

1696
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: Cleveland in overtime. So the way to go to state

1697
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: is above everybody and the way they beat Cleveland last time.

1698
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: I see Golden State winning it, but I see Santastonio

1699
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: right behind him. Do you think basic like again, hoping

1700
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: everybody stays healthy, san Antonio has a chance to beat

1701
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: Golden State, Like could they beat I mean anything could happen, yeah,

1702
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: but I think they can be going to stay for

1703
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: the simer fact. They've got Gregg Popovich and they have

1704
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,839
Speaker 1: I mean, LaMarcus Is is a beast and he's as

1705
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: he'll be back, you know. I think Tony Parker's done,

1706
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: but they got another young kid that's coming along that's

1707
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: playing Will well like and Patty Mills. So I think

1708
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: san Antonio is great. Like I said, the way Kauai

1709
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: Land is playing in fourth quarters and average and all

1710
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: these thirty point games he's having, I think I think

1711
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: they're on the Golden States asked for sure? What last question?

1712
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: And we're done? Who we got? Alright? Jackson? Good name,

1713
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: good name. I know you're a gangster action Jackson. Yeah, Hey, hey,

1714
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: is this all Steve in Jackson? What's up? Buddy? Hey?

1715
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: That's from Lake Charles, and I just want to ask you,

1716
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: what's the best dunk you ever seen in your life?

1717
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Oh, probably we'll go and

1718
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: tell him. Mike, my, my, my, I'm gonna say what

1719
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: I think the best dunk is when b did he

1720
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: banged it on Draco in Utah. There it is right there, man,

1721
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the best dunk I've seen. Big guy, a

1722
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: big guy on the seven footer in the playoffs. Carolinko, Carolinko.

1723
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: Hold on, Stephen Jackson, hold on, Stephen Jackson. Do you

1724
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: mean to tell me your brother they didn't have a

1725
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: best tuck in Lake Tolls? Okay, okay, okay, okay, Danny,

1726
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: let me say that. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. This

1727
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: is my little brother on the phone, y'all. Before he started,

1728
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell I couldn't tell him. Hey, Mike, let

1729
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: me tell you about him. No, since he on here, Mike, Okay,

1730
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 1: we're in it's Lake Charles now, which is like forty

1731
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: five minutes from my hometown. Right so we're playing this

1732
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: team and they're talking crazy with it. Was was a

1733
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: good vival game. I shoot the three the ball bounces

1734
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: up Mike, and the ball is basically at the top

1735
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: of the backboard. My brother jumps. One hand is at

1736
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: the tip of the backboard, the other hand is on

1737
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: the ball and grabs it and dunks it. Boom. Everybody

1738
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 1: runs around the gym. Everybody this one. That's one of

1739
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: the best ducks I've ever seen in my life. That

1740
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: was crazy. Yeah, over seven for the in the term.

1741
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: And now I see this is why I don't have

1742
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: no no hops. No, I don't have no hops because

1743
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: my mom gave him all to my little brother I Mike.

1744
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: But look another note. His son was on the news

1745
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: last Saturday. Hit he hit a three pointer game winner

1746
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: at the buzzer in this basketball game we went high school. No,

1747
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: how how how this that is snap God from three

1748
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: for game winner. It's genetic. Man, you guys are blessed

1749
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: man because it's got brothers. I got a sister, I

1750
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: got cousins, nephews. We just don't have it. Man. You

1751
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: guys got eight year olds in game winners. Your your

1752
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: your little brothers dunking on seven footers. That's a beautiful thing. Man. Yeah,

1753
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: got me, I'm watching on live, I said lively. Colin

1754
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: miss little see he know me, Leo. This is Mike, Mike,

1755
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: this is my little brother man. I'm going on man.

1756
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you too. All right, listen, Captain, Captain,

1757
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate this has been

1758
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: This has been easy, peasy man. I could talk to

1759
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: you all day. I got I mean, I got like

1760
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: questions up to wazoo here that I didn't even get

1761
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: to because I got so much more to talk about.

1762
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on on doing this with me.

1763
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: This was insightful. It was dope, It was real, it

1764
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: was it was everything I could have imagined from having

1765
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: the one and only Captain Jack's Stephen Jackson here on

1766
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: the Iron Rappers stereo pockets. I appreciated, Captain. My my pleasure. Man.

1767
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: It's anytime anything you need from me, you know, I'm

1768
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: to do that, all right, my man. M hm