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I have dreams about Sandy for an 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: entire year. She's been in the back of my brain, 43 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: never far from my waking thoughts. The white coat she 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: was wearing on the last night of her life. It 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: hangs in my closet. I see it every time I 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: get dressed. Her things, her checkbook, her calendar, notes she 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: wrote are laying across my desk. Her handwriting is familiar 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: to me. Now there's a note Sandy wrote to herself 49 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: that I've almost memorized. I've read it so many times. 50 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: It helps explain where her interest in policing came from 51 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: and where her career ambitions might have first begun. It's 52 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: called my Life as a Cop Freak. This is a 53 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: real story of my life as a cop freak. It 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: goes back to when I used to walk past the 55 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: police department to catch my bus for school. I was 56 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: only fifteen, and policemen would wave, smile and say hi. 57 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: They look so good in that white County car and 58 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: blue uniform. I've always wanted a job where I could 59 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: be looked at with respect. They always seem to have 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that sort of ego with them. Then one day I 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: got a job at the local drug store and at 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: nights we had county policemen in there. I met three 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: that were really nice guys. First night I met Ray, 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: a real nut. He was short and looked a lot 65 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: like John Denver. He asked if I wouldn't mind a 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: cold beer after work, until I told him I was 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: only seventeen. Then he kind of said, we'll wait until 68 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: you get older. After work, my dad was there to 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: pick me up. The next night, a real young, great 70 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: looking guy came up to me and asked who I was. 71 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: I could hardly believe what he asked. He stayed by 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: my counter all night, talking about bullshit. I'm pretty sure 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: Sandy was still in high school when she wrote this note. 74 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: The infatuation, the excitement, the giddiness about attracting male attention. 75 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: It reminded me of how I felt about boys at 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: that age. I'm not sure exactly what Sandy meant by 77 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: cop freak, but by her own admission, she was one. 78 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: She simultaneously wanted to be liked by them and wanted 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: to be like them. She wanted to to enter their world, 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: wear their uniforms, try on their egos, and at some 81 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: point in her senior year of high school, she did. 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: Sandy's family told me that's when she set her sights 83 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: on becoming a cop and began training in earnest going 84 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: on ride alongs with local police, and according to her 85 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: brother Michael, it all started out okay. She had her 86 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: heart set on becoming a police officer from the time 87 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: she first mentioned it all the way up through. You know, 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: she had nothing bad to say, probably a good year 89 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: and a half that she did the ride alongs. Whenever 90 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: they got a call. They went from speeding tickets to 91 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: traffic accidents, nothing major. If something major came up, I 92 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: think that she had to get dropped off. Ride alongs 93 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: are exactly what they sound like. A civilian rides with 94 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: an officer in their patrol car as they go about 95 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: their duties. The earliest record of one that Sandy attended 96 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: is marked in her calendar on March twenty seventh, nineteen 97 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: seventy six. Sandy would have just turned eighteen and been 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: in high school. Still. Based on my reporting, she would 99 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: have accompanied one other police officer on a shift that 100 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: typically lasted from three to eleven PM. I actually, you know, 101 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: the way she talked, I actually kind of wanted to 102 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: do one to myself, just to see, you know, hey, 103 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: what goes on here? You know, what do you do 104 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: when you pull somebody of you? What do you do 105 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: when you're you know, you're a bad situation? How do 106 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: things go here? You know? I wasn't as enthused about 107 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: that as she was, but I did think it was 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: kind of neat. But Sandy's sudden interest in policing was 109 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: a bit confusing to her family, who had no ties 110 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: to the profession. At first, I was a little surprised, like, really, yeah, 111 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: so she was talking about these ridals and how she 112 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: enjoyed them. Some long she was saying, you know, they 113 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: know it wasn't one hundred about board, But I do 114 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: recall she's saying, yeah, man, Jesus, guys get away with shit. 115 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Sandy didn't go into detail about what kind of shit 116 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: they got away with, but the PG County Police Department 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: was notorious for its use of excessive force, especially against 118 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: the county's growing black population. Once a predominantly white, working 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: class county, the area saw a radical demographic shift in 120 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: the seventies as black families moved there from DC, but 121 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: as the racial makeup of the community changed, the police 122 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: department remained overwhelmingly white, the results of which were often 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: brutal for people of color. As one veteran cop told 124 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: The Washington Post at the time, quote, it was a 125 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: known fact that if you came into PG County and 126 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: made trouble, the police would kick your head in, simple 127 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: as that. Here's a story from around the same time 128 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: Sandy would have been going on ride alongs. In nineteen 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: seventy five, Thomas Pete, a black man, was pushing a 130 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: stalled car in a seven to eleven parking lot when 131 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: several Page County police officers arrived. Witnesses reported that, unprovoked, 132 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: the officers began beating Pete to the ground, cracking his 133 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: head open. This incident triggered a public conversation about police brutality, 134 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: but ultimately the police faced no real consequences. Like Sandy said, 135 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: they got away with shit. From iHeartRadio, I'm Melissa Jelson 136 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: and this is what happened to Sandy Beale an iHeart 137 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: original podcast, Chapter three, My life as a cop freak 138 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: growing up. She wasn't any different than us, getting in 139 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: trouble we had, all three kind of seemed to get 140 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: in the same kind of trouble. After a while, Sandy 141 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: kind of went her own way. Michael is in his 142 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: early sixties now and moves with a quiet and deliberate air. 143 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: He's warm, but also a little bit guarded, which makes 144 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: sense when you learn his backstory. He has lived through 145 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: the excruciating pain of losing two daughters, one to congestive 146 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: heart failure and another in a car accident. But Sandy 147 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: was the first loss of Michael's life, and it came early, 148 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: when he was a senior in high school. The two 149 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: siblings were close, both in age only a year apart, 150 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: and in the intensity of their relationship. With most of 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: her family. Sandy was tight lipped about her time with police, 152 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: but Michael was granted a rare glimpse of her world. 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: She graduated a year before me, and while she was 154 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: out of school, most of her time was spent with 155 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: work and with hanging it out with the East Department 156 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: and the ride longs and stuff like that, and then 157 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: going to these fop lodges and hanging out with them 158 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: and drinking and stuff like that. He said, She said, 159 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: they all just let the hair down when they're in 160 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: that FOP lodge. FOP stands for Fraternal Order of Police. 161 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: It's the largest professional police organization in the country. State 162 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: level outposts are called FOP lodges, and some, like the 163 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: FOP lodge in Prince George's County, have a bar where 164 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: officers can socialize. That lodge, number eighty nine is where 165 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Sandy would go to grab drinks with cops. Michael said 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: the drinking age was only eighteen back then. She talked 167 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: about just going to the club and hanging out and 168 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: having a good time, and the cops would bring her home. 169 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: Half the time they had been half drunk when they're 170 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: bringing her home in a cop car. So I'm like, well, 171 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: there you go. The FOP lodge Sandy visited is'll open today. 172 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: I haven't been there, but I looked at pictures online. 173 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: On the inside, it looks a bit like your average 174 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: sports bar, with carpeted floors, bare walls, and blinds pulled 175 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: down over the windows. It has eight flat screen televisions, 176 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: two pool tables, and a jukebox. The bar stays open 177 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: until two am Monday through Saturday, and on Tuesdays. Domestic 178 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: beers are a dollar. As long as you are in 179 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: law and enforcement, you can go to this place. They 180 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: just go there and hang out and swap stupid stories 181 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: and cheat on their wives and doing silly things like that. 182 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: So it's about pretty much. But I got out of it. 183 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: But she was trying to learn as much as she 184 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: possibly could by going on these ride alongs and hanging 185 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: out with the police and you know, just taking things in, 186 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 1: seeing seeing just what goes on, how things are done, 187 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: so that when she was able to get into the academy, 188 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: she would have something, she would know what to expect, 189 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: what was coming down the line. At the time Sandy 190 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: was trying to become a cop, women accounted for only 191 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: two percent of sworn officers, and many of them worked 192 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: desk jobs. It was only in nineteen seventy two that 193 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: Prince George's County started admitting women into the police academy. 194 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: Yet Sandy envisioned a place for herself there, even when 195 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: there was little indication that she would be welcomed. I 196 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: wanted to understand the climate she was operating within, and 197 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: without being able to talk to Sandy, I found the 198 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: next best thing, another woman who began policing around the 199 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: exact same time, Dottie Davis. It wasn't like it was 200 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: my lifelong goal to be a police officer. I literally 201 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: was looking for an occupation that paid well and that 202 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,359 Speaker 1: was satisfying to me, And so I started as a dispatcher, 203 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: which then led to me applying to a neighboring agency. Literally, 204 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: I was watching the officers, the troopers that I was dispatching, 205 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: the calls for service, and I was thinking I could 206 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: do that. First of all, I'm an avid runner and 207 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: my father was a gunsmith, So I've been shooting since 208 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: I was eight and reloaded my ammunition since I was nine. 209 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: I grew up in what I believed to be kind 210 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: of a paramilitary household, where the only way you responded 211 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: to my parents was yes, sir and no ma'am. So 212 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: if you can put everything what I just said together 213 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: and think about what I recruit classes like and the academy, man, 214 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: I loved it. Dottie is retired from policing, but she 215 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: spent over thirty years with the Fort Wayne Police Department 216 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: in Indiana. She started as a patrol officer, moved up 217 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: to sergeant, then lieutenant, captain, and finally deputy chief. My 218 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: very first, very first training officer told me to get 219 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: in the car, don't touch anything, and shut up. If 220 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: I need anything from you, I'll tell you. And I 221 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: was like, this is going to be a really long 222 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: eight hours. It wasn't a very welcoming environment for females, 223 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: but I learned early on, you're probably not going to 224 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: be heard. If Dottie had been attempting this journey just 225 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: a few years earlier, it's likely she would have been 226 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: shut out. But in nineteen sixty four, Congress passed the 227 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act, which prohibited employers from discriminating workers on 228 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: the basis of sex. In nineteen seventy two, Congress extended 229 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: the law to local and state governments. In practice, that 230 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: meant women could no longer be excluded from important jobs 231 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: like policing and firefighting. Still, local police departments continued to 232 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: deny women jobs by issuing height and weight requirements that 233 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: many couldn't meet. In nineteen seventy seven, the Supreme Court 234 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: ruled that the use of high and wait as a 235 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: screening mechanism was unlawful discrimination. And so we were still 236 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: as two babies, if you will, We were still being 237 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: looked at as pilot projects to see whether or not 238 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: we were going to be able to be successful and 239 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: hold our own. While removing these barriers made it easier 240 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: for women to become police officers, they still had to 241 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: face workplace environments that were indifferent to their ambitions or 242 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: even outright hostile. A detective and I were writing the 243 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: elevator back up to the detective Bureau, which was on 244 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: the second floor, and he pinned me against the elevator 245 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: wall and tried to kiss me, and I shoved him 246 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: off of me and started yelling at him. And then 247 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I went into the detective bureau, went to the captain 248 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: and said, I'm not riding with him anymore. He just 249 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: pinned me against the elevator tried to kiss me, and 250 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: I'm not putting up with that. And what happened? He 251 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: got nothing other than told leaver alone. Some of the 252 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: behaviors Dottie described were obviously predatory. Others seemed designed to 253 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: simply undermine women and keep them from getting too comfortable 254 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: in their positions. So as much as I love to shoot, 255 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: I had a firearms instructor that would stand over my shoulder, 256 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean I could like next to my body and 257 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: he would tell me to squeeze the trigger like you 258 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: were squeezing a nipple, and I know, I'm looking at 259 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: your face. I wanted to bark because it was just 260 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: so ridiculous that he would even say that, And of 261 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: course it threw me off my game horribly, which I 262 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: don't know if that's what he wanted because he didn't 263 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: want a female to be the top gun. Dottie emphasized 264 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: how isolating it was to be one of the two 265 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: percent a woman in a sea of male cops, and honestly, 266 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: it's not that much different today. Currently around thirteen percent 267 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: of sworn law enforcement officers or women. That means in 268 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: many precincts across the country, it's not uncommon to be 269 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the only woman on a shift, the only woman in 270 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: a division. That isolation can have a corrosive effect. It 271 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: is very easy for you to lose your identity and 272 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: try to fit in and become one of the boys. 273 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: And I learned that no matter how much rank you 274 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: have or time and grade, you are never going to 275 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: be one of the boys. And you have to continue 276 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: to maintain your identity and be sure of who you 277 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: are because they will eat you out. When Sandy's body 278 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: was found, there were two small books in her possession, 279 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: address books that she used to keep track of the 280 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: people she met them now, and I've spent the last 281 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: year poring over them, trying to see what they can 282 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: teach me. I've cataloged each of the names and researched 283 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: their identities. Alongside her classmates at Bladensburg High, her neighbors 284 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: in Seat Pleasant, and her colleagues from the department store 285 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: are another category of acquaintances, police officers. Every few pages, 286 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: the name of a cop appears, either a PG County 287 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: Police officer or a Maryland State trooper, along with their 288 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: phone number. Examining her handwriting, it's hard to tell if 289 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: these cops were her friends or professional contacts. Some entries 290 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: include official titles and others are written more casually. The 291 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: number for the FOP Lodge is also in there. And 292 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: then there's the list in the back of the book, 293 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: thirteen names long. In black ink, Sandy wrote down a 294 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: series of three digit numbers, each one adjacent to a 295 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: last name. As far as I can tell, they're all 296 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: PG County Police officers, and the numbers identify their police cars. 297 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: When I first flipped through Sandy's address books, it wasn't 298 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: clear to me how a high school student would know 299 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: so many police officers. That changed once I connected with 300 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: one of the PG County cops from Sandy's books. Ray. 301 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: That's Ray from the Drugstore Ray, the John Denver look 302 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: alike from Sandy's note My Life as a Cop Freak. 303 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Ray's name appears in her books a few times, along 304 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: with a phone number, an address, and what appears to 305 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: be his police car number. Ray told me that he 306 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: doesn't remember Sandy, but he did have an idea why 307 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: she was able to go on so many ride alongs 308 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: as a teen. As he explained, Sandy was likely part 309 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: of the Police Explorer program in Prince George's County, which 310 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: launched in nineteen seventy six. The program allowed teens to 311 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: shadow police officers at work and try out out or 312 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: explore the job to see if they might want to 313 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: pursue a career in law enforcement. I hadn't heard of 314 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Police Explore programs, so I did some research. Turns out 315 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: they now exist all over the country. They began in 316 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties as part of the Boy Scouts of America. 317 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: Although side note they're now run by a subsidiary called 318 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: Learning for Life. Girls weren't allowed to join until nineteen 319 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: seventy one. 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Watch Queens of Ancient Degit now on Curiosity 384 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: Street with monthly, annual, and bundled plans. Find the one 385 00:24:51,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: that works for you at CuriosityStream dot com. Based on 386 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: my reporting, I believe that Sandy joined the Prince George's 387 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: County Explorer program in its very first year, when she 388 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: was a senior in high school. Sandy would have been 389 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: one of the first generation of trainees, though I wasn't 390 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: able to confirm this, as a spokesperson for PG County 391 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: Police said they were unable to locate a record of 392 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: participants from that year. The program is still active today, 393 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: open to those age fourteen to twenty. When I checked recently, 394 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: there were about ninety current members. This is an established 395 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: set of rules around who can join and what requirements 396 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: you need to meet, but back in its early days, 397 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't such an official program. Ray didn't want to 398 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: be recorded for the podcast, but he did offer some 399 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: helpful context. He told me that he was part of 400 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: the PG County Explorer program when it first began, and 401 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: as he described it, the program was pretty loose and disorganized. 402 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: Officers didn't receive any specialized training before being placed with teens, 403 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: and there were very few rules. He recalled chaperoning a 404 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: ski trip to Pennsylvania with a bunch of teenagers in 405 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: the Explorer program. When he went to check on a 406 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: group of girls in a hotel room, knocking on their door, 407 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: he discovered they were smoking pot. That was his cue 408 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: to quit the program. I understood from Ray that the 409 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: point of his story was to illustrate that he saw 410 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: the Explorer program as a risk to his career. The 411 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: potential for things to go wrong was just too high, 412 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: and so he left. He was looking out for himself. 413 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: But it made me wonder who was looking out for 414 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: explorers like Sandy over the past year, I've tried to 415 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: connect with every cop in Sandy's address books that I 416 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: could track down. I've sent emails, letters, and messages on 417 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: social media. Few responded to me, but I did manage 418 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: to talk to a couple of police officers whose names 419 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: corresponded with Sandy's records. There was one PG County police 420 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: officer in particular, though, who I really wanted to speak with, Bob. 421 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Sandy listed him as her emergency contact. She also noted 422 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: his birthday, and his name pops up on occasion in 423 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: her calendar too. I thought, if any of these cops 424 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: were Sandy's friend, if anyone could provide some insight into 425 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: her life, it would be Bob. Bob didn't want to 426 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: be recorded for the podcast, but he confirmed that he 427 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: worked in the Explorer program at the time that Sandy 428 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: would have been in it. He recalled taking students on ridelongs, 429 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: but he couldn't explain why his birthday and phone number 430 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: were written in Sandy's books, or why she would deem 431 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: him important enough to list him as her emergency contact. He, 432 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: like Ray, said he didn't remember her. This became a 433 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: recurring theme in my reporting. To my surprise, none of 434 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: the cops I spoke to remembered Sandy. At least they 435 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: said they didn't. They didn't even remember that a police 436 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: trainee had died by suicide, something I thought would leave 437 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: an impact. Sandy, it seemed, had been invisible to them. 438 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: I wondered what that said about how she was treated 439 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: when she was alive. I'm going to play the second 440 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: part of my interview with Detective Shozelski, now the PG 441 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: County police officer who handled Sandy's case, because I think 442 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: it speaks to this question of how police interacted with Sandy. 443 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Sholski told me about something unusual that occurred right after 444 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: her death. Let me say this, let me say this 445 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: life found then after he would the officers hasty made 446 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: if their names were were in the bill skis referring 447 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: to Sandy's address books which were discovered in the car 448 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: with her. Were these just Prince George's County police or 449 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: with these state troopers? Yes? Okay? Why were they calling 450 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: if she had listed them as none of her friends? 451 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: What was their motivation though for calling? Like? Were they 452 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: trying not to get in trouble professionally, personally or like what? 453 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: And you estimated about ten people called you did they 454 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: admit to having relationships with her pretty much. It was 455 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: pretty clear. It wasn't really a part of my investigation. 456 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: But when they heard that she had killed herself, Benwill, 457 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: what was their end goal to calling you if she 458 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: had made any mention of them, in case it came 459 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: out in some way they wanted to head right? Not necessarily, Well, 460 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't know why not would I had to be that, 461 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, they were sexually involved with her. Did any 462 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: of the police that called you express sadness about her death? No? 463 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Never a nurse, a person uh stressed or stressed, and 464 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: there was perhaps something written with their name for the 465 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: obvious reason. What did you make of her spending all 466 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: this time and having sexual relationships with police officers? I 467 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be a stink. I didn't 468 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: imagine to be a thirty fourty years later, but at 469 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: least a stink was going to come off of it. 470 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: I want to slow down here because this is really important. 471 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: In the audio's great Detective Shozhelski is a little blase 472 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 1: in his delivery, but what he told me is that 473 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: while he was investigating Sandy's death, ten PG County police 474 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: officers called him to find out if their names had 475 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: been linked to Sandy. And this wasn't an offhanded comment either. 476 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: Shazhelski told me this detail in two different phone interviews. 477 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: He wouldn't tell me the names of the men who called, 478 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: which made this claim hard to fact check, but I 479 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: believed him the way he divulged this information though it 480 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: was like a gossipy aside, not something that he thought 481 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: should warrant any further investigation. But it sounded like a 482 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: big fucking deal to me. In my line of work 483 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: reporting on domestic violence and sexual assault, this scenario of 484 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: a teenager having intimate relationships with upwards of ten adult men, 485 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: let alone police officers who were supposed to be training her, 486 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: it rang every alarm bell in my body. I started 487 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: this project wanting to find out what happened the night 488 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Sandy died, but as I got deeper into the recording, 489 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I had more and more questions about exactly what happened 490 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: when she was alive, specifically when she was hanging out 491 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: with cops on these unsupervised ride alongs. I knew I 492 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: had to tell the bills what Shozelski said, because it 493 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: confirmed their gut instinct that the cops were hiding something. 494 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: It just wasn't what they had thought. The family was 495 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: heartbroken to learn about these PG County police officers, who 496 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Shozhelski said spoke so callously after her death. Here's Kim, 497 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: her cousin. Well, until you guys uncovered all of that, 498 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: I think that I had a sense of naivete where 499 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: I just really believed that all of these people that 500 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: she had the names of were just nice people and 501 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: were her friends. And that snapped me out of my 502 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: believing in the kindness of these people, that they're really 503 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: just trying to cover their butts like me. Kim hadn't 504 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: known exactly what to think about Sandy's address books and 505 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: the list of cops she was collecting. She had settled 506 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: on a generous interpretation that the officers in the books 507 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: were Sandy's mentors who helped her as she tried to 508 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: pursue a career in law enforcement. Now she had to 509 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: contemplate something more nefarious. Now. I don't know what her 510 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: thinking might have been. Then, I do know that she 511 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: was very happy, go lucky, and maybe she thought that, 512 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, with sex came power, so she was probably 513 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: pretty enamored that any of them would be interested in her, 514 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: and she probably saw it as Wow, these people that 515 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: have some authority and power are interested in me, and 516 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 1: she probably hoped that there was more to it than 517 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: it was. But she was a kid and she was naive, 518 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: even though she thought she knew more than she did. 519 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: But when ten of them are asking is my name 520 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: in there? There are some fishy stuff going on. I 521 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,479 Speaker 1: don't know. It feels disgusting to me. Really, I don't 522 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: know how they live with themselves. Kim had believed the 523 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: police swept Sandy's case under the rug because of her 524 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: involvement with Doug, the state trooper. She suspected that Doug 525 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: was in the polyard that night, that Doug held all 526 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: the answers the family desperately yearned to hear. But now 527 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: there were other possibilities, And then you know, it could 528 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: have been any of those other guys too. But men 529 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: with that kind of power and that kind of ability 530 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: to manipulate and be charming and grooming her. How overwhelming 531 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: for an eighteen year old girl to try to sort 532 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: all that out. The immense pressure and shame she must 533 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: have been under at the time. It's really sad. It's sad. 534 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: It's just sad, so I do believe they have equal 535 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: responsibility in hurting her. A brand new historical true crime podcast. 536 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: The year is eighteen hundred, City Hall, New York. The 537 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: first murder trial in the American judicial system as trial 538 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: for the charge of murder. Even with defense lawyers Alexander 539 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: Hamilton and Erin Burr on the case, this is probably 540 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: the most famous trial you've never heard of. When you 541 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: lay suffering a sudden, violent, brutal death, I hope you'll 542 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: think of me. Starring Alison Williams. I don't eat anything simplified, 543 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: mister Hamilton, Thank you, with Tony Goldwyn as Alexander Hamilton. 544 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: Don't be so sad, It doesn't suit you. Written and 545 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: created by me. Alison Black listened to Erase the murder 546 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: of Elma San's. She was a sweet, happy, virtuous girl 547 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: until she met that man right there on the iHeartRadio app, 548 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. When 549 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Tracy were kel Burns was two years old, her baby 550 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: brother died. I was told that Matthew died in an accident, 551 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: and no one really talked about it. Her parents told 552 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: police she had killed him. Medical records said that I 553 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: killed my baby brother. I'm Nancy Glass. Join me for 554 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that tells the truth 555 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: an incredible story of a toddler who was framed for 556 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: murder and how she grew into an adult determined to 557 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: get justice and protect her family. While we had prosecuted 558 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: some cold cases, this was the coldest, This was frigid. 559 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: But how does a two year old get blamed for murder? 560 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,479 Speaker 1: She said? We wanted a new life. You just don't 561 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: know what it's like when you'll do anything for somebody. 562 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Listen to Burden of Guilt on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 563 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. I noticed Jacob is 564 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: not in his crib, so I look in and says 565 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: she's not there. So I'm like, okay, they're not there. 566 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: Unrestorable is a new true crime podcast that investigates the 567 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: case of Catherine Hoggel, a mother accused of murder. I'm thinking, 568 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, like what's going on, Like this is insane, 569 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: Like where are my kids? Despite signs that Catherine Hoggle 570 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: took her tiny children one by one into the night, 571 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: never to come home again, she has yet to stand trial. 572 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: Because soon after her children went missing, she was declared 573 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: incompetent to stand try. We have a blueprint to get 574 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: away with murder and the state of Maryland. At this 575 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: point in Maryland, if a defendant is found incompetent and 576 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: can't be restored to competency, their felony charges are dismissed 577 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: after five years. So, as the clock counts down, Catherine's 578 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: charges on the verge of being dismissed. What does justice 579 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: look like in this case? There's something's wrong her, you know, 580 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: whenever a one was allowed to kill my two kids. 581 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: Listen to Unrestorable on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 582 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, and to hear the show 583 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: completely ad free, subscribe to the iHeart True Crime Plus channel, 584 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: available exclusively on Apple Podcasts Plus. You'll get ad free 585 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: access to dozens of hit true crime shows like Paper Ghosts, Betrayal, 586 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 1: and The Idaho Massacre. There's a place beyond this place, 587 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: between the light and the darkness, the natior and the zenith. 588 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: For some, it's a bridge between the living and the dead. 589 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: Yet for others it's something else. Entirely, it's the place 590 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: where our nightmares dwell each one of us has touched 591 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: the other side and felt the presence of something beyond 592 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: this world. Welcome to Hip Hop Horror Stories. I'm your host, Belly, 593 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 1: and each week we're gonna take you to the limits 594 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: of your imagination as we explore the reality of paranormal experiences. 595 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: I believe in this shit for real, and the stories 596 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: you're about to hear might make you believe too. Everywhere 597 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: I look, I saw something, and I looked closer and 598 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: noticed there was a hoodest figure and whatever it is, 599 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: it's like cave. It's like it became reality. Listen to 600 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: Hip Hop Horror Stories on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, 601 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm the Wizard of Oz, 602 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: but I'm the one making everything happen real. Housewife of 603 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: Sul City star Jen Shaw is running the scam of 604 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: the century. We probably will never be able to be retired, 605 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: left can't work anymore, living a fat, million dollar lifestyle 606 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: on the backs of thousands of elderly victims. She turned 607 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: up their lives for what a fake bendy bag. Congrats girl. 608 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: When you have her confronted and instead of stopping, she 609 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: finds ways to be sneakier about it and keeps going. 610 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: I remember one time Stuart lost like about eight million, 611 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: and John was very upset, and she came down to 612 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: the office late at night with coach yelling, as your 613 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: app I am asking him where their money is. Would 614 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: you call her a con artist? I would just call 615 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: her a con She's not very much of an artist. 616 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: Bingch all eight episodes of Queen of the Con Season four, 617 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: The Unreal Housewife on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 618 00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. There have been few times 619 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: in my career where my perspective on a story has 620 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: changed so quickly. Kim initially asked me to investigate Sandy's 621 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: case because of my experience reporting on domestic violence, specifically 622 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: domestic violence homicides. Sandy's family was worried that she had 623 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: been killed by her boyfriend, but my conversation with Shoshelski 624 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: opened up a whole new line of reporting as I 625 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: tried to make sense of the calls that flooded in 626 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: after her death. On the one hand, it provided some 627 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: evidence that Sandy might have been struggling emotionally, keeping secrets 628 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: that would have been profoundly isolating for the teen and 629 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: on the other it hinted at a larger conspiracy involving 630 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: many cops with a lot to lose. It all reminded 631 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: me of a story Joanne told me the first time 632 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: I met her in the summer of twenty twenty one. 633 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: It's about one of Sandy's friends. Her name is also 634 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: so Sandy, Sandy Sheridan. According to Joanne, Sandy Beal and 635 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: Sandy Sheridan spent a lot of time together in the 636 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: months before Sandy died. Despite my best efforts, I've never 637 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: been able to find her, but Joanne told me she 638 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: called shortly after Sandy died. She called me right up. 639 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: She said, what happened all those cads that we collected 640 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: of different cops. Sandy Sheridan explained that she and Sandy 641 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: Beal had been collecting business cards of all the cops 642 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: they met, but when Joanne looked through her daughter's belongings, 643 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: there was only two cuts in her belonging, so they 644 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: laid out on the table for us to say. Sandy 645 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: Sheridan told Joanne one more thing, that local police had 646 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: been told to stay away from the funeral, and as 647 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: far as Joanne could tell, they did. I wasn't sure 648 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: what to make of these claims. At first, they felt 649 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,399 Speaker 1: a little conspiratorial, but after learning about those calls to Shoyzhelski, 650 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: it seemed a lot more likely that the stories were true. 651 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: I ain't got no reason to really not trust the cops. 652 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: But there's you know, shit ain't adding up. You know 653 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: I've always had that was shit just ain't adding up. 654 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: That's one thing I did tell those, the detective and 655 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: that other guy, I told him, I said, you know 656 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: what really burns my ass is she wanted to be 657 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: just like one of you. She wanted to be liked 658 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: by them, and she wanted to be like them. And 659 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: at some point between her innocent flirtations with cops at 660 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: the drug store and her body being discovered on a 661 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: cold February morning, something went horribly wrong. Whatever happened to 662 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: her while she was in the Explorer program, I think 663 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: it's unlikely she was the only one. I asked PG 664 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: County for any records related to complaints of inappropriate sexual 665 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: behavior within the Explorer program from nineteen seventy six to now. 666 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: They told me that a search of the current internal 667 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: affairs system uncovered no complaints, and that to search an 668 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: older system, I would need to give them the officer's 669 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: name in question. I've passed along a list of names 670 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: since Sandy's books, and I'll let you know what we hear. 671 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: But here's what I found when I searched for old 672 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: news articles about the Page County Explorer program. In nineteen 673 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: eighty two, just five years after Sandy died, a veteran 674 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: Prince George's County police officer took a sixteen year old 675 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: on a ride along. The girl ended up attending the 676 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: police academy and becoming a police officer, fulfilling the dream 677 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: that Sandy had. But thirteen years later, after she joined 678 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: the sex crimes unit, she reported that she had been 679 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: raped by her mentor on one of the many ride 680 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: alongs she attended. The officer was later convicted of child abuse. 681 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 1: I think Sandy was victim too. I think her desire 682 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 1: to be a cop, for teenage infatuations, and her inexperience 683 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: they all coincided to leave her open to exploitation. That's 684 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: next week. Well, this is the whole thing about predation. 685 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: It works better for the predator if your victim is vulnerable, 686 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: And what more vulnerable place than a desperate young person 687 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: trying to start a career in law enforcement. I'm not 688 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: done digging into this story, and i have more questions 689 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: about what happens in police Explorer programs. If you have 690 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,720 Speaker 1: ever been part of a police youth program or participated 691 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: in a ride along where you witnessed or experienced some 692 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: sort of inappropriate sexual conduct, please email me at what 693 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: Happened to Sandy Beal at gmail dot com. What Happened 694 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: to Sandy Beal is hosted by me Melissa Jelson. It's 695 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: written and produced by me and Katrina Norvell. It's edited 696 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: by Abu Safar, Josh Fisher, and Mary Do. Sound designed 697 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: by Aaron Kaufman. Jason English is our executive producer and 698 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: Marissa Brown is our associate producer. To find out more 699 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: about the investigation, follow me on Twitter at qu as 700 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: I am Ado. Thanks so much for listening. A brand 701 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: new historical true crime podcast. When you lay suffering a 702 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: sudden brutal death starring Alison william I hope you'll think 703 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: of me Erased the murder of Elma Sans. She was 704 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: a sweet, happy, virtuous girl until she met that man 705 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: right there. Written and created by me. Alison Flack is 706 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: it possible, Sirs, standing by for your answer. Erased the 707 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: murder of Elma Sans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 708 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your podcasts. When Tracey, who 709 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: were killed Burns was two years old, her baby brother died. 710 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,640 Speaker 1: I was told that Matthew died in an accident. Her 711 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: parents told police she had killed him. I'm Nancy Glass. 712 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: Join me for Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that 713 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: tells the truth an incredible story of a toddler who 714 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: was framed for murder. Listen to Burden of Guilt on 715 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,359 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 716 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: The System's broken. 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