1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, a guy came on TV and 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: he was going to try the impossible, the water torture escaped. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: Now I didn't have any idea what that was, but 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: the way this thing was built, there was no way 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna miss it. He was gonna try to 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: break Houdini's record. I knew who who DENI was, but 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know this man. His name was Doug Henning, 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: and I was captivated watching him and the way they 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: built this thing up. They were like, we're not gonna 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: have any commercial breaks. Well, I was all in. Then 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: years later, about nineteen eighty two, Walk and I were 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: watching him again and he had a black horse and 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: a white horse that he turned into a zebra. And 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like that's what I do on these 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: cold cases. I take two completely separate things and I 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: blend them. I blend them to make sense to me. 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: I blend them to move the case forward. And then 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: I remember what Doug Kenny would always say at the 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: end of his show. He would say, nothing is impossible. Well, 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I've got a case right now that's 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: impossible that I want to tell you all about. I 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: normally like to start a cold case where it ended. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: But in this case, I don't have that. I don't 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: know where it ended. In fact, there's no crime scene 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: at all that anybody can take me to. We don't 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: have a place that was located, taped off, processed, There's 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: no place evidence was found. All we have are theories, rumors, 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: peace milled facts that all point to a sinister picture. 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: It was July seventh, twenty thirteen, when seventeen year old 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: Molly Miller and twenty two year old Colt Haynes got 31 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: into a car driven by the friend con Nip. Now. 32 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: They were in Wilson, Oklahoma. A lot of farmland, a 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: lot of ranches, a lot of woods, lot of ponds, 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: a lot of lakes, wide open space. Somehow that night 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: they got into a police chase with speeds up to 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty miles an hour. Now deputies 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: chasing them were told to code for stop chasing them. 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: It was getting too dangerous. But it's a small town. 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: They knew who they were chasing. The car that was 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: driven was later found wrecked, crashed. Now the driver con 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: He made it home, but Molly and Cold were never 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: seen alive again. Now as a crime scene investigator. It 43 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: is difficult to me to work a case that has 44 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: no crime scene, nothing takeed off, no clothes, no cell phones, 45 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: no blood, no bodies, no weapons, nothing, just two people 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: that were never seen again. Now, I'm going to tell y'all, 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: nobody just vanishes. There's always somebody that knows what happened. 48 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: My guests and Night know as much about this case 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: as anybody. In fact, they invited me to come to 50 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Oklahoma with them to the area where Cold and Molly 51 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: were last seen to help them search Rob and Cindy Dorfmann. 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: They are producers of true crime shows that y'all have 53 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: all seen on Discovery, Oxygen A and E. They've got 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: a hit podcast that I have been thrilled to be 55 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: a guest on. But when I tell you, these are 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: not media people to me, they are straight up investigators. 57 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I have watched them work. I have watched them work 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: live from a cold case crime scene. They have a process, 59 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: and I was fascinated watching them because, you know, prior 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: to working with them, I didn't know, you know, how 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: they might go about tackling a case and how they 62 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: would have their vision put on crotochrome. Well I know now, 63 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: and I was impressed. I was proud to be part 64 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: of it. And one of the hardest things I ever 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: had to do work in cold cases is to leave 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: that active situation and get back on a plane and 67 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: come back to Atlanta. I wanted to stay, so Rob 68 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: and Cindy Dorfmann welcome to Zone seven. 69 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Cheryl. It's such a pleasure 70 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: to be here. 71 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Mac. 72 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 3: It was awesome to meet you that in that setting, 73 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: so we're really thrilled to be here. 74 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Well, I tell you, y'all were a fun host. I've 75 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: never walked into a situation where there was a full 76 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: on party going on when I got there. And then 77 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: the thing that I loved the most at first, I 78 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: was told, you know, hey, when you get here to 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: the ranch, we'll put you in the bunk house and 80 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: then the next morning we'll get going pretty early. Well, 81 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: as all you know, we all stood around talking and 82 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: getting to know each other, and it was pretty quick. 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like I knew all of y'all anyway, 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Maureen O'Connell looks at me 85 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: and she says, you want to go out right now? 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: And when I saw you and Rob Cindy getting them trucks, 87 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: getting the four wheelers head out in the middle of 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: nothing in the dark. I thought, this is going to 89 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: be something. They're gonna be able to get something done. 90 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: They are all in because it wasn't a whole lot 91 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: of cameras and all that going on in that moment. 92 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: You were just doing what you thought was the most 93 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: appropriate thing and the right time, you know, on the clock. 94 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: To do it. Well, like I said, we only we 95 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: had one shot. So you know, we've been doing this 96 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: a long time, and we always the type of program 97 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: we do, you only get one shot of these things, 98 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: so we. 99 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: Don't really think about the danger we're putting ourselves in. 100 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: We usually just go head first right in. And they 101 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: were like, oh wait a minute. We're not real investigators. 102 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: We don't carry weapons. 103 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: We follow a story, that's the big thing. And this 104 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: is a story with that, like you said, without an ending. 105 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: That's why it's so puzzling. And also you feel for 106 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: Paula and that family because Paula is we've just been 107 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: following her breadcrumb trails and you want. 108 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: To talk about an advocate, you're going to talk about 109 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: a family member that is not going to accept No, 110 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: they're not going to accept status quo. They're not going 111 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: to accept Hey, there's nothing more we can do. Paula 112 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: Fielder is Molly's cousin. Paula has been vocal. She has 113 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: been just a thorn in the side of law enforcement. 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: She has been relentless in her advocating for Mollie and 115 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: her devotion to find her. After seven and a half years, 116 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: Paula and other family members came together and had Molly 117 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: declared legally dead. Their hope was that if she were dead, 118 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: then law enforcement could move a missing person's case into 119 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: a homicide investigation and push the case to the next level. 120 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: When we met at the ranch, Paula was there with 121 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: other family members, and she was just as welcoming and kind. 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: You just kind of got the feeling you had known 123 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: her a long time. And Rob and Cindy obviously you 124 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: know they're leading this search, but Paula was the one 125 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: that was almost just this workhorse. She wanted her hands 126 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: in the dirt, she wanted her feet muddy, she wanted 127 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: to sweat. She wanted to get there and just move 128 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: trees and pump that water out and by hand searched 129 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: that sand. It was remarkable to watch, just that love 130 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: and devotion on that level. Paula and Toby connected because 131 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Toby now owns the property. And again, he was so 132 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: willing to do anything that we asked anything that it 133 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: took searching night and day, using four wheelers and earth 134 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: moving equipment and everything else he could think of. They 135 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: built things, they moved things, they pumped out water from 136 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: sun up to dart. It's one of the most incredible 137 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: searches I've ever been a part of. I mean, her 138 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: resolve was so impressive that there's a real good chance 139 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: we're not going to find something. She was okay, she 140 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: was okay with the try, she was okay with the result. 141 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: If they're not here, then we know where they're not. 142 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: It's not a failure. And I just found her to 143 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: be an extraordinary partner in this whole thing. 144 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely from day one when we first met Paula, we 145 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: could feel that and we felt for her. If we 146 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: don't find something, okay, check it off the list, check 147 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 2: it off the list. And that's how it's been with 148 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: her this whole time. And we totally respect her. She's 149 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: an amazing woman. 150 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something else that I was impressed by 151 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,359 Speaker 1: I could go there, shake some trees, dust up the roadways, 152 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: cause a little controversy, and I'm out. She has to 153 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: live there, and the very people that had something to 154 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: do with the disappearance of Molly and Cold still live there, 155 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: So there is a real danger for her, but she 156 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: doesn't let that deter her, and y'all did neither. 157 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: She does have a lot of resolve and she has 158 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: no fear. I don't know where she gets it from, 159 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: because you know the world that we've heard so many 160 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: stories about it. It's not a pretty world and and 161 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: it's dangerous, but she. 162 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: Wants to find the truth. And I think that's how 163 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: we are too. We want to know the truth. We 164 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: are always seeking the truth, and if that overturned some 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: stones or some cages, we're okay with that. 166 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: And that's one thing I noticed when I mentioned your process. 167 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: It seemed to me that y'all are obviously storytellers and 168 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: you're going to frame it in a really nice package. 169 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: But everything y'all filmed while I was there, you backed 170 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: up with facts. It's not like a once upon a 171 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: time like. You didn't frame it with this theory. You 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: didn't frame it with there's all this possibility and what ifs, 173 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and maybe everything you did was all right, Cheryl Mareen, 174 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: where do y'all want to search? We want to search 175 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: right here? Okay, let's do it. 176 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: I think because Rob and I both are journalists and 177 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: have worked as journalists and have that fire that you 178 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: have when you're searching for the truth, and I think 179 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: that we bring that. 180 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: To the shows that we do and the stories that 181 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: we tell. 182 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just want to authentically communicate what's going on there, 183 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 3: but in like a narrative way. 184 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: A lot of times with cold cases, families will tell me, oh, 185 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement's corrupt. You know, they're hiding stuff, and ninety 186 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: nine percent of the time that's not true. They're frustrated, 187 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: they don't feel like law enforcement has done enough or 188 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: everything they could do. They maybe feel like law enforcements 189 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: not telling them everything and holding back. But in this case, 190 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: we had law enforcement corruption. 191 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: A lot of the cases that we worked on, you 192 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: know immediately that's the first thing, like you just said, like, 193 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: it's law enforcement, they're corrupt. And we have a lot 194 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: of friends in law enforcement. Yeah, we're always like, hold. 195 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: On a second, Yeah, we don't what they do. 196 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: We know exactly are you saying. So when we started 197 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: digging into this and we unraveled this hornet's nest of 198 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: corruption and layer after layer, and it's so deep, and 199 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: it's just I think it's over a century old. 200 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would read like I would read court documents, 201 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: like from these grand juries and I'm just reading, We're 202 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: just reading the script verbatim of what they were saying, 203 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: and like you don't have to just you just have 204 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: to lay it out there. You can't believe it. 205 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: So we do have corruption, we have cover up. We 206 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: have a failure to investigate, a failure to gather evid 207 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: it's a failure to interview witnesses, a failure to interview 208 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: con I mean, it just it's baffling. 209 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: There's statements there saying that he did, and there is 210 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: record of sometimes they did talk to him. They recently 211 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: just talked to him again. But that's the least of it. 212 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: It's just all the other things. I mean. The BIA 213 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: came out a few weeks ago to Paula at an 214 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: event and basically said this thing was handled so poorly 215 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: in the beginning. 216 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Let's go back for sake it rob because in the beginning, 217 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: when that car was found crashed. Okay, let's go back 218 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: in further than that. They knew who they were chasing, 219 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: they knew the car, they saw him, So why wasn't 220 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: he interviewed that night or the next morning or the 221 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: next week, because my understanding, that didn't happen for a while. 222 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: No it didn't. 223 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: It didn't happen for three weeks, and it only happened 224 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: at that time by the sheriff who was his cousin. 225 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I was getting to. So you got 226 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: a little home cooking, So you've got a chase going on, 227 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: and the sheriff says, y'all code for Then you've got 228 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: the sheriff saying, well, you know, we don't need to 229 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: talk to him right now. We'll talk to him in 230 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: three weeks. Okay, that's not an investigation, especially when it's 231 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: somebody that lives down the street or in your house. 232 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: I want y'all to lay the case out for him 233 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: and so everybody can understand what happened on the seventh, 234 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: what happened in the early mornings of the eighth, and 235 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: then kind of walk them through the nine one one calls, 236 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: because I think that's where this thing takes a real 237 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: ugly twist. 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, the night of the seventh, Molly had just met Colt, 239 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: probably I don't know, a week or two before this happened, 240 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: and he was older than her. She was seventeen. She 241 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: was partying with her friends and Colt and Khan had 242 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: left her in the afternoon to go do something and 243 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: then they came back and they picked her up around 244 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: I think it was nine thirty ish, ninety five ish, 245 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: and they were heading to a party. Now there's several 246 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: different bird rumors about what party they were going to. 247 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: Supposedly there was a big party that was going to 248 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: be held out in this field where like hundreds of 249 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: kids were supposed to go. Then there was another rumor 250 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: that they were going to someone's house, like Rob Branch, 251 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: to go party at his house, which is also Cohn's cousin. 252 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: So we're not really sure exactly where they were headed. 253 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: We know they were going somewhere to party. They stopped 254 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: to get some beer at a convenience store, and Ryan 255 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: Parsley was a Wilson police officer. He was across the 256 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: street saw them go into the store. Khn saw him, 257 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: and when I think Colt came out of the store 258 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: and got in the car, they took off, and he 259 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: spun around and spewed gravel all over Captain Parsley's vehicle. 260 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: So of course he gets on his radio and I'm 261 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: in pursuit of this car, and on the radio the 262 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: dispatch calls that we could hear. They're all saying, oh, 263 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: it's con he's doing this again. Okay, we're chasing him. 264 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: And then they did the whole chase through all the 265 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: roads they were passing that they'd done many times before, 266 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: and they were getting ready for him to throw down 267 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: spikes spikes because he'd done that in the past. So 268 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: they knew who it was. And when we interviewed John 269 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: dennahe who worked for Love County, he told us that 270 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: Joe Russell, the sheriff, had told them to call off 271 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: the chase. But that's not on the radio. 272 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: It's not on the radio nine, it's not on the dispatch. 273 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: We spoke to the dispatcher, we blayed the tape on 274 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: our podcast, and so magically the chase. 275 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: Stops, but some of them did follow them all the 276 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: way into the woods, like he broke through and went 277 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: through into the woods and just like there was so 278 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: much dust. They couldn't and you could hear it on 279 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: the there going back and forth on the radio. Can't 280 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: get in. There's dust everywhere. We think he went towards 281 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Long Hollow. He's down at the end of Long Hollow. 282 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: He went into the woods. And then in the middle 283 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: of all of this, nine to one one gets a 284 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: phone call from Molly's phone, not knowing it's her at 285 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: the time. We don't know if she sat on her 286 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: phone and dialed on one one in the back seat, 287 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: or if she was in panic and dialed on one one, 288 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: and we don't we don't know exactly. 289 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: You can't hear anything here. 290 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: Buttons and that's a last that's it. 291 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: Zindy can ask you something to clarify. Does it sound 292 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: like she's dialing a number, like trying to dial a 293 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: number and doesn't realize it's engaged. 294 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: It's hard to tell. It's we've played it so many times. 295 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: It's just like it's like someone. 296 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: Operator saying hello, Hello, and there's nobody there, and you 297 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: can hear it. You can can hear sirens in the background. 298 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: And see when I was out there, some of the 299 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: dirt roads, the gravel roads, as slow as I was going, 300 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: I was making a dust trail, so one hundred and 301 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: twenty miles an hour, it would look like something was 302 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: on fire. That'd be so much dust and gravel flying. 303 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: So even if he had turned his headlights off, they 304 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: should have been able to follow him with no problem. 305 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 3: I agree. 306 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: I mean part of us wonders did he just drive 307 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: through those woods and go somewhere else, because we don't 308 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: believe that that car stayed in those woods the whole time. 309 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: So we've got a call from Mollie where she doesn't 310 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: say anything, or her phone you can hear sirens in 311 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: the background, so the chase's own. Then there's other calls 312 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: made from Colt's phone. What's happening there? 313 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: They were calling their friends. They called a bunch of friends. 314 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: They called Josh Davis and I think that was one 315 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 2: of Colt's best friends. And they said they were going 316 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: to come out on four wheelers and look for them 317 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: because he said he was lost in the woods. 318 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they said they both were lost in the woods. 319 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: And they went to CON's house the next morning, I 320 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: believe it was late. It was late, like maybe five 321 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: o'clock or six o'clock, late late in the morning, and 322 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: uh said, where is he where are they? And he 323 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: pretended he didn't. 324 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: Know, and they had him on the phone. They had 325 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: Colt on. 326 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: The phone, Yeah, and Colt was screaming, you you better 327 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: tell them where I am. And con was like, I 328 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: don't know where you are. I don't know what you're 329 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: talking about. 330 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: But then he did say it was like over near 331 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: where they, I left a stolen Mustang that he saw before. 332 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: So after he was pressured by everybody because they were 333 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: all standing there and Colt was screaming at him, he 334 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: said that he had left them by a Mustang that 335 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: he had dumped. Because he did this all the time. 336 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: He would take cars, drive him one hundred and twenty 337 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: miles an hour, and then dump him in the woods. 338 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: I mean, that was just something he did. 339 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: He did it after this actually happened when they disappeared. 340 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: In fact, that's how they They arrested him for a 341 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: while and he spent some jail time for that. 342 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: At some point, what in could telling people he broke 343 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: a leg? 344 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: Yes, well that's we've heard that story that he broke 345 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: a leg or broke an ankle that did a compound fracture. 346 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 3: No one really knows, but that's that's what was transpired 347 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: in the conversation over the phone when he was yelling 348 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: at con tell and tell him where I am. 349 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: And these are young people that are familiar with this area. 350 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean they know where to go dump a car, 351 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: they know where to go party, they know where to 352 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: go park right, They're. 353 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 2: All familiar with it. But it doesn't matter because in 354 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: the night it's so dark. I don't even know how 355 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: anyone who it's so dark. 356 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: You were out there, I remember that it was crazy, 357 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, I remember. And that's one thing 358 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: I know that I was talking to Maureen while we 359 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: were on scene, but you know, I got a sense 360 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: from where I was standing that forward was going to 361 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: be some type of water. But it was so dark, 362 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: even with a little bit of moonlight, I couldn't have 363 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: told you which direction the lodge was at. I couldn't 364 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: have told you which way the roadway was. And I 365 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: know the next morning, one thing I asked Toby was 366 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: to take me right back where we were that night. 367 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: I was stunned. 368 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: We were so close. 369 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I my mind was blown that if 370 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: I had been left to my own devices, I would 371 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: have wound up in that ravine I'm telling you right 372 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: now because that's where I would have walked, and I 373 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: would never have been able to tell what I was 374 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: coming up on. 375 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: No way, but they did know those woods pretty well. 376 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 2: But like I said, even so, it was really dark, 377 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: and Mollie did call people in the morning. She did 378 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: call her best friend at like six am, left a message. 379 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: She did call another boy that she knew from school, 380 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: talked to him around seven am, said can you come 381 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: get me a ride? I'm on the road. I need help, 382 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: And he couldn't go, so he always felt guilty. But 383 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: so we do know she was alive the next morning 384 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: because people talked to her as cults were not sure. 385 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I always tell people there's five senses 386 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: to a crime scene. To me, there's the sights, obviously, 387 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: the smells, the sounds. There's no touch, but it's important 388 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: dimension touch, So you mind yourself, don't touch nothing. There's 389 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: taste a little bit, and then there's your gut. And 390 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: the gut, to me, is one of the most important things. 391 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: And everything about this case, if you were working off 392 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: your gut, everything is wrong. Everything sounds wrong. Everybody's explanation 393 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: is wrong, everybody's actions are wrong. Like, they're not making 394 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: sense to me. If these young people were on a 395 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: roadway and he's hurt with a broken leg, then there's 396 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: somewhat stationary And it just it baffles me because again 397 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: when I drove it, they had to have been somewhat 398 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: close to where the final sighting was from law enforcement. 399 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: Oh we agree. I mean unless someone came and picked 400 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: them up up, which there is a possibility that happened too, 401 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: there's no way they would have been able to get far. 402 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 3: But they obviously didn't get a ride because they were 403 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: calling people to get a ride, right, so there's no 404 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 3: there's no record of anybody picking them. Now, it's both 405 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: intriguing and maddening this case because there's like there is 406 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: a narrative, but it's like it's a it's a it's 407 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: such a con disjointed narrative and there's nothing really to 408 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: back it up because it just because they just all 409 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: you have is that last moment and then they disappeared. 410 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Tell us about the accidental Now when one call in 411 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. 412 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: Well that was interesting. That call was made from where 413 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: we brought you and Maureen at that pond. At Moxley Pond, 414 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: a couple of years after there was dispatch got a 415 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: butt dial would appeared to be a butt dial nine 416 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: one one, call someone who dialed nine one one, and 417 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 3: you can hear it's very muff and you can hear 418 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: people talking. We've had that. Maureen has heard this. She's 419 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: heard this this recording numerous times when we first came 420 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: brought her out. She actually brought her out to Oklahoma 421 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 3: for this case for the television show, and she's heard 422 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: this recording. And you can hear these guys talking. You 423 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: can hear what they say is Molly. You can hear 424 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: some gunshots like they're talking, like what happened? And then 425 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: that's all we can get out of that. We listened 426 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: to that over and over again. The person's cell phone 427 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: who came from was this guy named Colby Barrack, and 428 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: he's part of the Nip not indirectly family. He lived 429 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: close by. Apparently him and con didn't really get along, 430 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: but for some reason, that recording came from the back 431 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: of his cell phone in his pocket. The dispatcher who 432 00:23:53,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: received it then alerted Joe Russell and Joe Russell me 433 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: and he said, he goes, you mean a recording from 434 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: moxy Pond and we're like, how does he know there? 435 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: Moxley pod? And then he says, can you just roll 436 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: that off to a disc and I'm going to come 437 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 3: pick it up? And that's you know, it's just weird, 438 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: like how. 439 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: Did he know that? On that nine one one call, 440 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: you can hear one of them and we're not sure 441 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: if it's Colby or someone else, because there were three 442 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: people there say that they could put their finger all 443 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 2: the way through the hole in Molly's head. They were 444 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: definitely talking about the murder of Molly on that call. 445 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if this was a movie, I would already 446 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: be like, oh, come on, why aren't handcuffs on some 447 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: of these folks already? 448 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: It's Love County. It's that you know, it's that area. 449 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: It's you know they have. I mean, Joe had his 450 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: own little fife to him down there. 451 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: This case actually blew up his fife him because he 452 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: was stripped of being the sheriff and put on house arrest, 453 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: which is ludicrous if you ask me, after all the 454 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: things they charged him with and the grand jury found 455 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: him guilty of. 456 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: You know, a sheriff has so much power anyway, and 457 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: then when you think about, well, he's going to incorporate 458 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: this person who's a drug dealer, and then he's going 459 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: to put this person on house arrest at his house. 460 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: Exactly. 461 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: It's beyond ludicrous, but you know, all of it is true, 462 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: it's all documented. Well. The other thing that I was 463 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: impressed by with y'all is your Rolodex. And what I 464 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: watched was if Marine, and I thought, well, you know what, 465 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: you really need a canine, or you really need a 466 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: back hope, or you need the medical examiner to look 467 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: at something. Y'all were on it, and I mean, it 468 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: happened then in that moment. It wasn't the next day 469 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: or in a week. You're like, get him on the phone, 470 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: invite him out here, Let's get the dogs walking around, 471 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Let's get the medical examiner out here, Let's get the 472 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: detective or anybody we can get to look at this thing. 473 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: So I found that again, part of y'all's process and 474 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: part of the way that y'all tell the story that 475 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: it's going to be thorough. 476 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: That's just our personalities, that's the way we approach our work. 477 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: It's very momentum driven, but you know, it helps us 478 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: generate the story but also vet things out quickly. 479 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: And we also anticipate things before we even go. So 480 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: we anticipate, Okay, if we do have something and we 481 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: need to talk to trace sergeant right, because she's the best. 482 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: And like just be doing these television shows. We've met 483 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: so many experts in the field, so we can just 484 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: call him up, say, listen, what do you think you're like, 485 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: let you you're familiar with Lenny to Paul right, yeah, 486 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 3: so oh yeah, yeah, so I know he's a great guy, 487 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: but like, you know, he's like, we'll call him. I 488 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 3: called him about this case early on, and he hooked 489 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: me up to another homicide detective and spoke to him 490 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 3: and eventually had him on the podcast to kind of 491 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 3: talk about it from his perspective, and you know, we 492 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: get it's it's so interesting because we don't know this. 493 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 3: We don't know we kind of have a cursory look 494 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: at your law world as a law enforcement person because 495 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: we were kind of like viewing it, but we're still spectators. 496 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: We don't know all the intricacies of what you guys 497 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: have to deal with, and so it's fascinating to there's 498 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 3: no way in hell we would ever like make a 499 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 3: judgment on something until we had someone like yourself or 500 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: a Lennie to Paul or someone else that we can say, hey, listen, 501 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 3: what's going on here ABC? And they go, well, and 502 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: they can. Then that's where we get our information from. 503 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 3: We don't we don't make this stuff up. We get 504 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: it from people that pros like yourself. 505 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you right now, in my world, 506 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: Lenny to Paul is a god. And you know, I've 507 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: got obviously Trey Sargent in my town and she has 508 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: assisted me on numerous cases, and she's I just find her. 509 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: She's got her pause in this one exactly. 510 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And that's another reason I was like, yes, 511 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: get me in this party please. So you know, when 512 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: you talk about Trace, I know, And I just want 513 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to mention this because I think it's important. She not 514 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: only runs canine for people she own seen if the 515 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: family is there, becomes an advocate and her care and 516 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: concern for other people is paramount. But I also want 517 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: to point out that when you said Rob just a 518 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: minute ago, and I can't remember exactly how you said 519 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: it in this part, I have to edit this part, 520 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: but you're talking about momentum and you said you just 521 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: get in the car and go. We had Chief Clay 522 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: Bryant on not too long ago, and he was talking 523 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: about a cold case he was working and he got 524 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: a lead in North Carolina. Now a lot of people 525 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 1: would put that in the file and read, visit it 526 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: and make a plan and kind of think about something. 527 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: Jeef Bryant said, because I said, well, what did you 528 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: do with that lead? He said, I drove to North Carolina? 529 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Like what do you think I did? Of course I 530 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: went to North Carolina. And young detectives that are listening 531 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: to this, you are giving them some of the best 532 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: advice ever. Get in the car and go. Keep the 533 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: momentum going. The other thing that you said that was 534 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: so brilliant is you anticipate what you're going to need, 535 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: who you're gonna need, equipment experts. That's something that I 536 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people do in their pre planning. 537 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: They don't anticipate anything except I'm going to go here 538 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: and interview this person, and that's it. And so I 539 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: think what the two of you just said is going 540 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: to make the difference in anybody listening to this who's 541 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: an investigator, whether or not they saw the case or not. 542 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Let me just say one more thing that people understand 543 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: what happened. We're talking and y'all are like, yep, we 544 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: got this. There's this great guy. He says we can 545 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: stay at his house. I'm like that's a little unusual, 546 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: but okay. And then it's like, oh yeah, we're gonna 547 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: put you in the bunk house. And I'm like, well, 548 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: this is going to be an experience. And then I'm 549 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: like a bunk house, Like is that like with thirty 550 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: other people? And then I'm like, well, this is going 551 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: to be fun. Like if they're all cowboys and me, 552 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: this might be the greatest crimson I've ever worked. Well, 553 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: my husband, of course, is laughing and he's like, what 554 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: is going on. I'm like, I don't know, but I'll 555 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: call you as soon as I know. When I rode 556 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: up to that house with my escort. For the people 557 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: that are listening to me right now, if you have 558 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: ever watched an episode of Yellowstone, you know what I 559 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: rode up to. That's what this house looked like. When 560 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: they say bunk house, listen to me carefully. This was 561 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: not a bunk house. This was one of the most 562 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: beautiful homes I've ever seen in person. On the inside 563 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: and Everything was perfect, every placement of centerpieces, things on 564 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the mantel, pictures on the wall, it was perfect. When 565 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: I walked into the shower area and they had toils 566 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: with their brand on it, I flat told Toby, I said, 567 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: some of those tables might be missing. And I told Walt, 568 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: we got to get a brand. He went, don't you 569 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: steal that man's tables. I said, I'm just telling you 570 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: this is super cool. And then I'll tell y'all one 571 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: more thing about Toby. So I said to Toby, I said, 572 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: my husband and I love Yellowstone. He went, uh, huh 573 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: you do? I said yeah. I said, is it true 574 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,719 Speaker 1: that y'all put you know, the brand on your body? 575 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: That man moved his shirt to show me the brand 576 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: over his heart. I'm like, well, I love everything about 577 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: this everything, And and he was again, how much food? 578 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: How much do you want to drink? Where do you 579 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: need to go? Do you need the four wheeler? Do 580 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: you need boots? Do you need gloves? Do you need 581 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: a flashlight? Well? 582 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: Here you talk. You talked about the medical examiner. You know. 583 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: I told him it's like I would just say, he goes, rob, 584 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: what do we need to go? We need a medal examiner, 585 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: and so it leaves, gets gets out a guy on 586 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: the phone right away and he goes, yeah, he's gonna 587 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: be here in about an hour. 588 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: It was wonderful. And listen, I just want to say again, 589 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: love your podcast. You love the way y'all operate. Love 590 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: some of the projects that I know is coming that 591 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's time to talk about yet, but 592 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: I will be making people aware of it when the 593 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: time is right, and it's going to be. I saw 594 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: the trailer and it's awesome. Robin Cindy Dorfmann, thank you 595 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: so much for your advocacy and your work and your 596 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: investigative skills, and I appreciate both of you, and I 597 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: look forward to working again with y'all when it ends 598 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: on seven the way that I all always due with 599 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: a quote from somebody from my Zone seven, and this 600 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: is from Susan Hendrick's journalist, and Susan says, sometimes life 601 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: has a way of nudging you in a direction you 602 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: need to be going. Don't fight it. It'll make sense. 603 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: On the other side, I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is 604 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: Zone seven