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Speaker 1: from Iheart's Outspoken Network, spotlights one of those stories. Afterlives

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Speaker 1: examines the life and legacy of Leileen Polanco, a transgender

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Speaker 1: Island Jail. Lealeen's death was totally preventable, and this new

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Speaker 1: led to her untimely passing, as well as how her

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Speaker 1: story sparked national movements for change. As we're seeing more

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Speaker 1: they show up online, this story is more important than ever.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Be sure to subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Here's Afterlives, the Lalene Polanco story. Episode one.

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Speaker 2: After Lives is a production of iHeart Podcasts and the

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Speaker 2: Outspoken podcast Network in partnership with School of Humans. Just

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Speaker 2: a heads up, The following episode discusses transphobia, racism, mental health,

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Speaker 3: Take care while listening.

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Speaker 4: Studdy sing It, Sing It?

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Speaker 1: Wait, let me sing It?

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Speaker 4: First, you'll never see me again, so no one not

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Speaker 2: That last voice, that's Leileen Polonko. She's singing Cry for

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Speaker 4: Let her finish, Let her finish.

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Speaker 2: Leileen's niece, Aliyah is the one goading her on, trying

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Speaker 2: I first learned who Laiyleen was back in June of

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Speaker 2: Throughout my career, I found it important to prioritize stories

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Speaker 2: Our lives, our joy, our struggles, and our truth. A

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Speaker 4: Rest in power. The recent death of a twenty seven

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Speaker 6: Leileen Palanco could have been released from Rikers if she

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Speaker 2: It's been four years since Leyleen's death on Rikers Island,

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Speaker 2: and this is Afterlives, Episode one. Laileen Layleen was born

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Speaker 7: You know, people who were homeless, people were doing survival

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Speaker 5: And I think about Leileeen. I think about her as

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Speaker 5: When you're a kid, there's always like some people that

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Speaker 2: Leileen, India, and Sydney were all members of the House

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Speaker 7: It's truly like a co generational space. There's so many

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Speaker 7: I know Leileen was part of that mix, and there

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Speaker 2: The House of Extravaganza and other ballroom communities have always

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Speaker 2: But this doesn't take away from the fact that these

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Speaker 2: Queer culture is more consumable than ever, but queer people

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Why did system after system fail to fulfill promises of progress.

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Speaker 4: I remember then we did this photo shoot for the cover.

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Speaker 4: It was very it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It was actually Leileen's birthday. Yes, Layleen's friends and family

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Speaker 6: I have it like in a bag upstairs because I

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget that day, seeing the love that Layleen

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Speaker 2: activist on behalf of her sister. She shared Layleen's story

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Speaker 2: with fifteen thousand people. I listened as politicians talked about

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Speaker 2: her sister's memory and witness law's path in Layleen's name

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Speaker 2: over the last four years, Layleen's story has unfolded in

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Speaker 2: ways I could have never imagined. But as much as

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Speaker 2: death has the power to build movements, it also shatters.

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Speaker 2: In the immediate aftermath of Layleen's passing, family, friends, and

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Speaker 6: After she died, I picked up the mic three days

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Speaker 6: later and I just didn't stop.

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Speaker 2: Milania and others have had to reshape their lives without her.

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Speaker 4: I never had time to grieve my sister.

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Speaker 2: Time has passed, but not without forming scars.

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Speaker 6: I think that's when reality really kicked in that Leileen

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Speaker 2: Layleen's family has moved out of New York since that photoshoot.

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Speaker 2: This time around, I visited Malanya in Connecticut.

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Speaker 4: We needed to get away, We needed to get far.

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Speaker 2: I met many of Lalen's family members and friends back

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, but since then, people have removed themselves

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Speaker 2: have been riffs in their relationships. Folks have experienced other

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Speaker 2: losses too. While we reached out to several members of

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Speaker 2: l'yleen's origin and chosen families for this podcast, we weren't

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Speaker 2: able to speak with everyone. Layleen's story is harder for

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Speaker 2: many to revisit today, but I always knew it was

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Speaker 2: worth returning to. Much of my career has been fueled

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Speaker 2: by the losses of people in my life and those

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Speaker 2: I didn't know whose stories drew me in, whether it

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Speaker 2: was transtenes loss to suicide, victims of police brutality, and

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Speaker 2: of course other transistors of color. Layleen's life and story

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Speaker 2: will forever be a part of me. Her death has

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Speaker 2: stayed with me, in part because so many issues compounded

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Speaker 2: to lead her to that cell. Because her death happened

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Speaker 2: in state custody, I had hope for accountability. There were

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Speaker 2: and are leaders and systems that we could blame, that

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Speaker 2: we could even try to change. Some things have changed

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Speaker 2: for the better in the last four years, but we've

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Speaker 2: also witnessed the US become a much more hostile place

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Speaker 2: for trans people. What happened to Leileen tells us a

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Speaker 2: lot about our world, about trans rights and the injustices

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Speaker 2: of our legal system, about how we treat people who

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Speaker 2: are most marginalized and most in need of support, She

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Speaker 2: died because of systems that still exists today, and while

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Speaker 2: progress has been made in her name.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot more work to do.

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Speaker 2: That's what this series is about.

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Speaker 3: No real spoilers in the story.

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Speaker 2: If you google Alien's name, you'll find these details. What

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Speaker 2: we're doing in this podcast is breaking it down system

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Speaker 2: by system and looking closer at.

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Speaker 3: The reasons she died.

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Speaker 2: We want to restore her humanity as we tell the

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Speaker 2: story and look at the ways this loss and legacy

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Speaker 2: has affected our world, even if you've never heard her name.

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Speaker 2: That's all coming this season on Afterlives.

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Speaker 6: Stepping foot on Rikers Island has been widely acknowledged a

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Speaker 6: potential death sentence.

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Speaker 4: Was her trans this actually a cause of her death?

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Speaker 5: We found out that the answer was yes, it absolutely was.

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Speaker 2: I had every opportunity to be dead and am still here.

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Speaker 7: They have an interest in stopping youth from becoming trans adults.

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Speaker 7: They have an interest in essence, in eradicating transniess.

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Speaker 3: We just want to live our lives.

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Speaker 2: We don't want to be sitting here over explaining ourselves

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Speaker 2: to you over and over again.

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Speaker 3: Just let me be.

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Speaker 2: I want to work, I want to have a home,

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Speaker 2: I want to drive a car.

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Speaker 3: I want to be happy too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to Afterlives. You can

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Speaker 2: find this episode and future ones on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: you think. After Lives as a production of iHeart Podcasts

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Speaker 2: and The Outspoken Podcast Network in partnership with School of Humans.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host and creator Roquel Willis. Dylan Hoyer is

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Speaker 2: our senior producer and scriptwriter. Our associate producer is Joey

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Speaker 2: pat Sound design and engineering by Daisy Makes Radio Productions,

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Speaker 2: story editing by Aaron Edwards and Julia Ferlan, fact checking

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Speaker 2: by Savannah Hugiley. Our show art is by Mackai Baldwin.

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Speaker 2: Score composed by Wisei Murray. Our production manager is Daisy Church.

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Speaker 2: Executive producers include Me, Raquel Willis, and Jay Brunson from

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