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Speaker 1: Well, first off, appreciates you coming on the show man.

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Speaker 1: No perfect jump.

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Speaker 2: Shot, better basketball ladies.

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Speaker 3: We'll definitely appreciate you coming on show.

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Speaker 4: Rocking with of course, you know you guys have had

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Speaker 4: the show for a long time and finally got an

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Speaker 4: invite from a former teammate. What took so long?

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Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, we tried to link up

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Speaker 2: a busy man, man? I tell you know, Stephen, they

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Speaker 2: call you, what do you call you? Top gun?

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Speaker 3: I call you.

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Speaker 5: I called you Tom.

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Speaker 2: Cruise Wave before the two thousand and ten I came

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Speaker 2: in the dough like Tom Cruise Baby.

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Speaker 4: I moved around a lot of things today to get

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Speaker 4: this done. I just won't let you know. That's my

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Speaker 1: Y'all hear that, America, When you first got to the league,

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Speaker 1: who was the first person to bust yours?

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Speaker 4: My first oh Ship moment in the NBA was actually

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Speaker 4: Carlos Telfino because I ain't.

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Speaker 2: Used to get it was a bucket.

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Speaker 4: I didn't play a lot really all my rookie year

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Speaker 4: or my second year. So we're not deep in the season,

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Speaker 4: but it's it's you know, ten fifteen games in season,

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Speaker 4: garden ripped initially, and you know, fucking sheets over there

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Speaker 4: talking ship. Sea Web's talking shit and they're taking the

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Speaker 4: He didn't even get to that. Actually, he just caught

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Speaker 4: Rip right after that. So I'm guarding Delfino and Sea

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Speaker 3: Different And it happened just like that. They quit man

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Speaker 4: But you know that with Delfino too, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: you don't understand this till you get the NBA. Any

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Speaker 4: motherfucker can bust your ass. Anybody can bust your ass

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Speaker 4: on and then these high school college kids.

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Speaker 3: Don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't get it at any given nights.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it was like I could do a little

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Speaker 2: felt listen, that's my shout out call Ose Delfino. Man,

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Speaker 2: we ain't had a mention like that. That's like me.

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Speaker 2: My first person was Sean Leonard, unassuming right quick seventeen

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Speaker 5: I was sitting down like, what the just happened? The

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Speaker 2: We live on location this time we had to come

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Speaker 2: out to NYC to get my former teammate Legend aka

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Speaker 2: Duke Legend, Jersey and the Rafters. You feel we got

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Speaker 2: better basketball in the building. JJ Reddick, everybody my main man,

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Speaker 2: here in New York City's live on location tapping.

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Speaker 1: Rooke, Virginia, Virginia, ro Virginia. Tell us about Ronoke, Virginia.

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Speaker 4: homeschooled me and my older sisters. They homeschooled through ninth grade.

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Speaker 4: At homeschooled through fifth grade. But then I started playing sports,

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Speaker 1: Respect that the basketball became a thing, and I'm falling

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Speaker 4: So I played baseball baseball, and I played I played basketball.

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Speaker 4: It's just like, sports for me were something I liked autonomy,

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Speaker 4: lot of things you miss, right Like, there's nothing like

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Speaker 4: It was eighth and ninth grade. So eighth grade, two

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Speaker 4: And I look back sort at that year from literally

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Speaker 4: I'm an eighth grader and I just dominated a national tournament,

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Speaker 4: Like I can play. Second thing This actually involves Darius Miles.

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Speaker 4: Second Thing is my ninth grade year. I have a

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Speaker 4: good year in varsity. I get asked to go play

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Speaker 4: came back in one. We did, but I had twenty

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Speaker 3: I didn't know about NBA, but that tournament had the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we stayed in that big old hotel.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where y'all stayed. I stayed probably a

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Speaker 3: It was like a holiday in but all the schools.

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Speaker 4: We didn't have the funds that Larry Butler had.

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Speaker 3: We had funds. This was I had nowhere.

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Speaker 5: I had Nike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did have left y'all in good hands. But

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Speaker 3: We weren't staying in the best hotels and nothing like that.

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Speaker 5: You wasn't worried about what you was saying I was

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Speaker 2: This was yeah, that was two thousand, yeah, my first

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Speaker 4: Summer ninety, senior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was already in college and we played y'all.

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Speaker 4: You know what, you know, it's crazy. This is why

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Speaker 4: just ste Wade doesn't remember that either.

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Speaker 3: He's like, no, I don't remember that.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy, probably because that's an important moment in my

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of It's a lot of guys come

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Speaker 1: But I don't really remember them because I was paying

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Speaker 3: Front of me.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at them like, yeah, I need to

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Speaker 1: need played McDonald's and he was. That's how I played

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Speaker 4: We so summer ends, we go to Staten Island for the.

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Speaker 3: Five Stars for the five star class.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think we ended up playing you guys,

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Speaker 4: but I'm watching the game. I stuck around after our

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Speaker 4: game because Darius is playing against Eddie Griffin. I know

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Speaker 4: those two guys were two of the top two or

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Speaker 4: three players one. Yeah, Darius had estimating the stats here,

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Speaker 4: but I remember it being a quadruple double. He had

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Speaker 4: forty one points, fourteen rebounds, thirteen assists, eleven blocks. It

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Speaker 3: They tripled to you, championship. Good to the championship. They

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Speaker 2: But I remember that because that was like him and

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Speaker 2: Eddie Griffin with a back and forth.

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Speaker 5: And all that.

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Speaker 1: But like, you're not. He messed up my visit. I

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Speaker 2: It was cool. It gave me pabus some pub or

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Speaker 5: Now I was on campus. That's for official visit.

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Speaker 3: So you know it was cool, But you act like

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Speaker 3: My worst visit of all my visits, of my visits him.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk back to so in high school, like it

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Speaker 2: Were you go back, go back to your mom said

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Speaker 2: Like you're going to do it like you wanted? Was it?

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Speaker 2: Was? What was it about Duke? Was that your dream school?

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Speaker 4: It was my I mean it was my dream school, dude.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like what we were talking about earlier

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Speaker 4: I wore Duke shorts, you know, duke shorts underneath my

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Speaker 4: He's like, we're going to try to get these six guys.

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Speaker 4: And he's like, you're our number one guy shooting guard.

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Speaker 4: We're ready for you to commit. We also like Bracy Wright.

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, He's like you already know he's Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So after the initial shock, I'm just you know, I called,

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Speaker 4: And I've made some good decisions my life. I made

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Speaker 4: There's ancillary benefits to that decision, not just in basketball,

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Speaker 5: Tell me this. You say you committed after your sophomore year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it was like October early October

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Speaker 2: So you went on to get another and another, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, nothing in another missed the basketball

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Speaker 4: No. I do remember Nike camp after my junior year,

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Speaker 4: and she State was after him. You and see Duke

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Speaker 4: I really fucked up not recruiting you. I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: So I think I would never change my decision, the

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Speaker 4: I was not gonna I was not gonna do a

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Speaker 5: It worked out way too much jumping around going on.

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Speaker 4: You have to have some sense of loyalty in life.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to do it. That was important for me.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It was something real, something looked real powerful to me

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Speaker 1: when I've seen all y'all, like like when Coach k

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Speaker 1: And just to see that and see their history and

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Speaker 4: I was there to just be it was you know,

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Speaker 4: So that's going to hang over our heads for the

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Speaker 4: We had that sort of line as coach came out,

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Speaker 4: he daft us all that. And then we all got

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Speaker 4: He's like, man, how cool is it? We got to

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Speaker 4: And I will say this. You know the brotherhood is

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Speaker 4: this and some of my like Mike Dunlavey's one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked powerful, like like that, that whole scenery,

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Speaker 1: it just looked powerful. It just looked crazy. And it's

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Speaker 4: But I know it's hard for you, it's all, but

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00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 4: it just looks like that.

440
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 5: I don't I mean, did.

441
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 7: You guys, did you guys see the question I'm gonna

442
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 7: I want to ask you all because like, do you

443
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 7: guys see The Redeem Team TALC on Netflix? Yes, it

444
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,239
Speaker 7: was this moment when Lebron's talking about you know, they

445
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 7: just sort of talked about how they were going to

446
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 7: hire coach k and Lebron says, you know, growing up

447
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 7: growing up in the inner City, you grow.

448
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 4: Up you hate Duke, you hate coach, you hate Laighton Er,

449
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 4: you hate jj Reddick. Was that is that? Is that

450
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 4: a real thing?

451
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 5: I would say?

452
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: I I would say I just like Christian Lightner because

453
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: I can remember, like, no, literally, like my mom before

454
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: she passed, she was a Kentucky fan. I can remember

455
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: her being upset about that. But outside of that, I

456
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: didn't really give it them about Duke, like I got

457
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 2: I got lightly recruited by them, but they I think

458
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: they saw earlier that I wasn't.

459
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I wasn't in my year.

460
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: They they got Corey, they got Corey and right, so

461
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: it was like for me it was like I didn't

462
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: really have a disc.

463
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: We played Duke back the back.

464
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: Years my freshman and senior year, my sophomore year, we

465
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: didn't beat them. We got cheated our sophomore year. Sophomore year.

466
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 3: Who was it?

467
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: Fucking Nick horvav banked the three from the top of

468
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: the fucking.

469
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 4: Key the caer.

470
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 5: In Cameron Indoor.

471
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: Now, I will say this, I will say this, It's

472
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: a lot of shit to get said about. Oh go

473
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: on to play. That shit was dope. That shit was dope.

474
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: No boyshit. We got there and as soon as we

475
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: got in the locker room, it was like they were

476
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: standing on top of the stop on side of the

477
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,360
Speaker 2: things doing the stumpingsh And I'm sitting there, I'm like

478
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: just start hearing. I'm like, oh, they right above us,

479
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: like this kind of is. So then we get out there,

480
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 2: it's like they gonna be relentless that you. At this

481
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: point I had just got I was on the cover

482
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: of the ESPN magazine with the hell raiser with the

483
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: nails in my face. They had that sh all we

484
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: need is the hammer because we're gonna nail your ass Richardson,

485
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: and I was like ignoring listen. They was like they

486
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: got tired of it. Was like, hey, Richardson, no one

487
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: can live and do it forever. We're gonna get some.

488
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 5: I was like I just started laughing. Bros like these

489
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 5: dude the top.

490
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: No, I think Duke for me, it's a respect more

491
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: than anything. Duke teams always are good. Duke teams always

492
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: are the teams that you want to beat. Duke teams

493
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 1: always is held at a high standard. So it's not

494
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: really just a you know, you want to beat the

495
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: best type thing, you know what I'm saying, And that's

496
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: what Duke is. My hatred for Duke is always want

497
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: to beat the best because to me, Duke.

498
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: Is way is one of the best teams.

499
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 4: That's fair.

500
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: So guys that come from Duke or you want to

501
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: be them, but you they will.

502
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: When I played and I played my first my thing

503
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: is due. I didn't yeah, I didn't give.

504
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: I used to hit the flow like wojo, like when

505
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm playing defense.

506
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 3: I used to hit the hit the flow and I

507
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: got that.

508
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 5: From you know what I'm saying.

509
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: I ain't like that I did.

510
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: That's one thing I did like Wojo is my guy,

511
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: that's my favor.

512
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: I ain't like everybody else after that started trying to

513
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: do that ship leave after him like.

514
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: This is interesting.

515
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 5: He didn't go to college.

516
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: That's a little bit of a didn't go to college.

517
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: Hold, But I'm going to do a little bit of

518
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 4: a psycho analysis here. Okay, Okay. He says that he

519
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: hates Stuke. I do he really loves him, and I'm

520
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 4: I'm listening to. All he has to say is nice

521
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: things you said. You don't really care about Duke, and

522
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 4: you clearly have some animosity towards Stuke.

523
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 2: I told you my animasies. I played him twice, I

524
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: lost him twice. I'm just speaking really with anybody out

525
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: there listening and looking. Go look at it. Hey, Hey,

526
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 2: q Rich showed up. Go look at the players. I

527
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: was given business and I reminded Elton Dailey when we

528
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: played for the Clippers, did I not?

529
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

530
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: Okay, man, Okay, I don't care. But we love Dukes

531
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Lander and we hate him at the same time.

532
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, But that was like I just wanted to say,

533
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: that was just a dope moment that I really enjoyed

534
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: seeing that was that was.

535
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: In Chicago, so I got the ultimate respect. You know,

536
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: I'm a Chicago guy before anything. Coach K is the

537
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: godfather from the crib. You know what I'm saying, Eat

538
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: some pizza, drink some wine with the boss. So I

539
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: respected that. And then that was like the That was

540
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: like the Barceloni dinner. He had all the underbosses there

541
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: to see him off.

542
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you feel me.

543
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: Like to see his his coaching staffs over the years,

544
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: the people that he brings back, the ones that you

545
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: might think like, oh, yeah he might be a coach

546
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: when he comes back and be like, no, he got

547
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: so and so on the bitch he's coaching. Like to

548
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: see the just history and just all that. I just

549
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: felt like that was a dope, dope moment.

550
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: It was to see It was awesome to be part

551
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: of ninety six former players there.

552
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

553
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: How was it like your first year at Duke Coach

554
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: K having confidence and the way you play in how

555
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: you play.

556
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: I feel like my first two years at Duke sort

557
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: of run together a little bit because there was a

558
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: lot going on when you grow up a Duke fan

559
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: for ten years, eight years old to eighteen years old,

560
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 4: and you have this idea in your head of how

561
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: cool it must be to play for dude. Don't let

562
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: me wrong, it was cool. There was a lot of

563
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: shit that went with it. And you know, first of all,

564
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: fall of my freshman year, like doing six am runs,

565
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: getting challenged every day by players that at the time

566
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: were better than me in these individual works. Then we

567
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: started practice and it's like it was a lot and

568
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 4: kind of had to like make a decision, you know

569
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 4: about how basically about like how good did I want

570
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: to be? How committed I want to be, And so

571
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: those two years were about figuring that out. There were

572
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: times I wanted to quit. And then on top of that,

573
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: you know, I had the hatred I would call it hatred,

574
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: the hatred from other student fan bases, people calling my

575
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 4: cell phone, calling me the Antichrist, everywhere I went, like

576
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: people talking about having sex with my little sister, who

577
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 4: was twelve at the time. It just became a lot.

578
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: And I'm eighteen, nineteen years old and I don't have

579
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 4: the ego structure, confidence, the security and who I am

580
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: to sort of deal with that and so a lot

581
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: of those two years were just me like finding these

582
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: little pockets to rebel, and you know, I was out

583
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: in the streets, I was living like I was a

584
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: frat kid. I probably looked like a frat kid too,

585
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 4: and it was like it was it was detrimental to

586
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 4: everyone around me. And so after my sophomore year, that's

587
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 4: when Coach and Wojo and Collins kind of kind of

588
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: brought me in. They it wasn't an ultimatum, but they

589
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: really challenged me. And I remember Coach Colin said, you know,

590
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: you can keep doing what you're doing. I made thirteen

591
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: All American my sophomore year. It was the worst fucking

592
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: year in my life, you know. And I he said,

593
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: you can keep doing what you're doing. You're going to

594
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: score two thousand points a duke. And you know, it's

595
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: like the sad thing is, we'll never know how good

596
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: you can be. And so they put me on an

597
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: hourly to the hour, every hour every day that summer.

598
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 4: I followed it. I still have the sheet in my

599
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: notebook where I keep my personal items of my schedule,

600
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: and that summer between my sophomore and junior basically set

601
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: the stage for the rest of my life. You were

602
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: around me as a teammate. You knew how recommended I was,

603
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 4: how routine oriented I was, how everything I did had

604
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: a purpose and a structure. And that's ultimately what made

605
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: me have a fifteen year NBA career. And it was

606
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: that summer. And truthfully, I'd say to this all the time,

607
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 4: but like, they should have kicked me off the fucking team.

608
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: They should have kicked me off the team. There was

609
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: no I was an asshole. And so you know, going

610
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: through that helped me grow up and then you know,

611
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: you got to grow up again when you get the league. Right,

612
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: there's I'm sure we all face it. You get punched

613
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: the mouth a little bit, and you're like, all right,

614
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: I gotta figure this situation.

615
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: Tell me how humbling and difficult at the same time.

616
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: It could be like you say, you had two different.

617
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 5: Things going on.

618
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: You already been thinking certain things as you're eight years old,

619
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: and then you get here and it's clearly not exactly

620
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: it's never gonna be what somebody was thinking, like that's

621
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: gonna be not only there, but like you said, now

622
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: you got to deal with the fact that you are three.

623
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: Time misster basketball. You're a state champion.

624
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: You got all these acclades, but you get here and

625
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: like you struggling against people and individuals and those types

626
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: things like now it's not just some haters or something

627
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: like you legit get there and struggle, Like how do

628
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: you deal with those type of challenges and tackle that well.

629
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: I didn't really feel a sense of entitlement because of

630
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: my high school career that I was going to automatically

631
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: get playing time or automatically start a dude. I didn't

632
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: think that at all. I mean, like I remember the

633
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: McDonald's game, and I'm with Carmelo and Amari and D'Angelo

634
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: Collins and all these guys. They're talking about going the NBA. Yeah,

635
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking to myself, like in two months, am

636
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: I gonna be good enough? Am I gonna be good

637
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: enough to play a duke? I never it was never

638
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: about like the NBA or like me being a star.

639
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: I go just like, am I gonna be good enough?

640
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: So some of it was like figuring out that, yeah, dude,

641
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: you are good enough and and and so I think

642
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: it's like it's that growth mindset, and that's you know,

643
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: any good player, any high achievers like you have that

644
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: you're not thinking about what you've done. You're thinking about

645
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: the next thing. And I just kind of had to,

646
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: like I kind of had to figure it out. And

647
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: then some of it was just commitment. Like you know,

648
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: I was I was not heavy my freshman year, but

649
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: I was pudgy, and then I got heavy heavy my

650
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: sophomore year, and I was I was basically fat, and

651
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: so a lot of it I was fat rich Like

652
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: one right now was two twenty five, all right, my

653
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: worst all right, So I had to I had to

654
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: just be totally committed. You know, I'm not a great athlete.

655
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: You guys know that. I had to be totally committed

656
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: to my body. And so that was big because when

657
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: I got to the NBA and I got punched in

658
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: the mouth a little bit, I had the mechanism to

659
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 4: go back to I'm like, all right, well here, I

660
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: need to get stronger, dude, I need to be able

661
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: to run everywhere.

662
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: Here.

663
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: I got to be stronger and be able to run everywhere.

664
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: So I worked on my body that way. So that

665
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: was just part of the growth process for me.

666
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: But you had success your sophomore year, yeah, Like it was.

667
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: The leading scorer on the final fourteen on the number.

668
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: One team in the country.

669
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Like to go in there and you saying you won,

670
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: that's your best to come in. How did you feel

671
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: like your junior year when you came back and you

672
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: didn't put that work in And it's.

673
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: Like, well. The other thing that happened after my sophomore

674
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: year was coach had a series of meetings with me

675
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: in April and they were every Saturday morning for the month.

676
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: I would go in at like eight am and we

677
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: would talk and some of it was about behavior, some

678
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: of it was about basketball, was about like I set

679
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: goals the wrong way and I didn't put in the

680
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: work to reach those goals, all this different stuff. And

681
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: at one of those meetings, he said to me, we

682
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: didn't win a national championship. So yeah, I had a

683
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: good season, Like whatever he said to me, we didn't

684
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: win a national championship because you weren't worthy of being

685
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: a champion. That's one of the worst things and best

686
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: things that's ever been said to me. That cut me deep,

687
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: and for the rest of my career that was sort

688
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: of my goal. It was like, I can't let a

689
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: coach ever tell me that I'm not worthy to win

690
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: that I'm not worthy of being a champion. Yeah, Like

691
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: I didn't win a national chiphch I didn't win an

692
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: NBA championship. But I know what I put into it,

693
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: Like I was worthy. I was worthy. It just it

694
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: didn't happen for me. So junior year again and I

695
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: go on with no expectations. I'm like, I just know

696
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: that I'm in the best shape on the team. I

697
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: know I'm slim now, I can feel myself. I've worked

698
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: that whole summer off my off the bounce game, and

699
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: you know, I start well and I ended up getting

700
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: ACC Player of the Year, I got the rough National

701
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: Player of the Year, I'm first team All American, I'm

702
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: second in the Wooden And it's like, all right, I

703
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: think I might be able to actually play in the NBA.

704
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: That was the That was the first time in my

705
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: life where I'm like, I actually think because like my

706
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: junior year, all those guys Seawan may Ra, Sean McCants,

707
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: Raymond Felt and they're all they're all leaving right, So

708
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, i feel like I'm at least as

709
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 4: good as those guys. Like I feel like I could

710
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: I could potentially play in the NBA. And so there

711
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: was like three days I was out in the wood

712
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: for the Wooden Award in LA and saw Seawan May

713
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: and I were close and like he's having lunches with

714
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: agents and my dad's out there with me, and I'm like,

715
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: should I be doing this? Look at this mock draft

716
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: real quick, you know, I look at this mock draft,

717
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: but I never again. It goes back to what happened

718
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: in high school, like I did. I felt because of

719
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: how they had treated me my sophomore year. I felt

720
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: such a strong sense of loyalty and I had won.

721
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: So it was like it was a no brainer. I'm

722
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: gonna go back to Duke I wanted. I wanted Johnny

723
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: Dawsons scoring record. That was important to me. I'm not

724
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: gonna lie. I wanted my jersey retired, so that was

725
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: important to me, and I want to win that championship.

726
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: So I'm going back to do.

727
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: No question up And how was that season for your

728
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: There were stretches you when you.

729
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: Made the decision, like, yeah, I'm coming back. So now

730
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: you in the mindset like I'm coming back on here

731
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: and I want to go through how was that season

732
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: for you?

733
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: There were stretches of that season where I blacked out

734
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: and I was just like I had forty on thirteen shots.

735
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: You know Texas game in the Meadowlands there number two

736
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: were number one. I dropped forty one like there were

737
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: just I had a stretch where like I had one

738
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: game with twenty four points in the other seven games,

739
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: in those eight games, I had over thirty five. Like

740
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: it was just I never I never thought I could

741
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: play that well. Like the yeah, it's just the flow

742
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: was there. It was just free, you know. I do

743
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: think as that season progressed, that freshman class that year

744
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: was the number one freshman class in the country. And

745
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: then we had older players like me and Sheldon and

746
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: Lead and Sean Dockery, and I think it's that season

747
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: I think we all go. I think we all felt

748
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: like more pressure, Like I feel that the pressure was rising,

749
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 4: you know, the games became more important. And then for

750
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 4: me personally, like that looming unsettled goal of winning a

751
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: national championship was still like hanging out there and people

752
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: like people knock me all the time because they're like,

753
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: you sucked in the NCAA tournament, right, because look at

754
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 4: your shooting stats in the last game, And I'm just like, look,

755
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 4: if I didn't shoot well, we weren't gonna win. So like,

756
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 4: of course, of course the games we lost in the tournament,

757
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: I had bad shooting, right, Like, that's the reality. I

758
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: had to shoot every.

759
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Time you're not hitting somebody else got stuff up.

760
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 4: It's just reality, and I wish I could have been better.

761
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: But shit, man, fucking that l s ud FETs with

762
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 4: baby and gart Temple.

763
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: Tell me this though, like throughout, like you said, you

764
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: had all like you one of the document is one

765
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: of the most hated college athletes, right, you know, as

766
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: a teammate, I couldn't understand it. But whatever, looking back

767
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: is what it is. I'm told I rock with I mean,

768
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: you know when we were there, I rock with you.

769
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: But like, what, tell me what was like some of

770
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: the craziest stuff that you had to enjoy it that

771
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: you were like what like just like, I mean, obviously

772
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: we expect when you're the man on the team, you

773
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: expect a certain level of you know, venture off from

774
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the teams and stuff, and you just

775
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: get that. But like, what was somewhere you Like I

776
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: heard you talk about your little.

777
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: Sit like I think that the family stuff certainly across

778
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 4: the line. You know, there were a lot of references

779
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: at Maryland my sophomore year. To my sister, there was

780
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 4: a sign talking about uh sandomizing her, which was super Maryland.

781
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: I saw special about Maryland.

782
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: And we went to Florida State one year and there

783
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: was this crazy fucking dude who just like followed me

784
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: around during warmups. She's like five feet from us, and

785
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: there's like security guards and he's literally talking about the

786
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 4: crudest sex acts with my mother and my sisters. Like

787
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: I'm just like, how the fuck like that? But the

788
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 4: real oh shit, wake up. It's funny now, but at

789
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: the worst, it wasn't funny. No, it was like my

790
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 4: freshman year, I'm going back to Virginia for the first time, okay,

791
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: and it was like I'd lived in Charlotte's for like

792
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: four years, and you know, I got friends coming to

793
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 4: the game and at the time I had somehow my

794
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 4: freshman sophomoreyear, I just had the worst shoulder and back

795
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: acting like I don't know what, I don't know what

796
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 4: caused it. I had to go on what is it

797
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: called acutane, which is a horrible experience. Holy shit, I

798
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: lost like twenty five pounds it was or I I

799
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: was like twelve pounds in like a month, my first month.

800
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: I could have had no appetite. So anyways, I got

801
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: this shoulder acting and I come out, I come out

802
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 4: for warm ups and there's like multiple UVA students in

803
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: the student section. They had these like makeshift duke number

804
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 4: four jerseys and they had drawn these huge red dots

805
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: all over their shoulders. WHOA, and dude, I'm pretty like

806
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 4: I'm playing on national TV like twenty five times a year,

807
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: and I'm watching highlights and I'm like, I'm fully aware

808
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: of the shoulder at I have no idea what's causing

809
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Is it the soap? Is it the body wash? Q?

810
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: Is it the detergent they're using the towels with?

811
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: What is going on?

812
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Was that like a conversation though with the team and

813
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: the coach though, like like when sometimes when it was

814
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: going overboard, you.

815
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: Know, I don't know if I know. With the Maryland thing.

816
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: So when we played Maryland my sophomore year. A little

817
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: background to this so I can't remember his name, but

818
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: the Ravens owner would sit courtside or and sit behind

819
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: the Maryland bench whenever we played in Cameron. He'd come

820
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: to every Maryland Duke game. So he's sitting court side

821
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: and he's talking shit to me. So I got off

822
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 4: to a good start. I started yapping back, and by

823
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: the end of the game, I've got like twenty four points,

824
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 4: and every time I fucking scored in the second half,

825
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 4: I'm saying so to him. I'm saying something to student section.

826
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: I was being anshole. So we get to the end

827
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 4: of the game. Can grow, Yeah, we get to the asshole.

828
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: Should we get to the end of the game, and

829
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: I've got two free throws essentially to seal the game,

830
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: and the whole arena starts chanting, fuck you JJ. It's

831
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 4: audible on television. It's ESPN nationally televised Wednesday, that game,

832
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: fuck you JJ, fuck you JJ.

833
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 5: Whatever.

834
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: So Gary Williams has to make a statement afterwards to

835
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 4: the press about it. The Attorney General of Maryland starts

836
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: this investigation into fan behavior games, and I don't know

837
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: if they ever changed anything. Keep in mind, they threw

838
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: a battery at Carlos Boozer's mom when see Booze was there,

839
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: so like there was stuff like it. But in terms

840
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: of coach, like coach would talk to me about it

841
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 4: in front of our team a little bit, but he hey, me,

842
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: just kind of like help guide me through it. But

843
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 4: he also knew, like by the end of it, if

844
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: I saw somebody talking shit to my teammate and I

845
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: felt like that teammate couldn't handle it, I'd go over

846
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: there and just start.

847
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: We've seen it before, yeah yeah, yeah, So all right,

848
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: as you guys know, we've been giving away digital collectibles

849
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: on each episode. The secret word for this episode is

850
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: perfect form all lower case, no spaces. How was it

851
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: to win back to back National players of the Player

852
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: of the Year three times? No, no, three times, mister

853
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 2: basketball three times? I'm talking about. This is college national

854
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: player of the year big boy status. This is basically

855
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: deeming you the best college basketball player two years with

856
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: name on you know. I'm just I'm I played, and

857
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: I know when you won the national Player of the Year.

858
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: I wont Player of the year my conference as a freshman,

859
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: and I was looking at everybody Kenyan Martin and everybody else,

860
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: like I'm the best. So when you were in the

861
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: national joint, like what like back to back too, Like

862
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't no fluke homing, Like I can't right back

863
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: around the block the block for you too. I think,

864
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: like I want to hit a real swag though, I

865
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: want to.

866
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: Hit it real.

867
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: So my sophomore year, again I let our team is scoring,

868
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: but I was even better in conference play. My conference numbers,

869
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: I thought I should have been first team all and

870
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: we won the conference cottage.

871
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: Boy, you get the different overall I was.

872
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: I was, I was on second team, but I was

873
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: like the sixth vote getter, right, so I was like

874
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: almost made first team, and I was like pissed about it.

875
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: But when I won a CC Player the Year, we

876
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: would just be Georgia Tech in the conference championship and

877
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: I won m VP of the a CEC tournament. And

878
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: so we're getting on the plane flying back to Durham

879
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: from DC and our s I d comes up and

880
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 4: he's like he's like, hey, we you know we just

881
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: got the vote. H you won a CC Player of

882
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: the Year, And like, I got not gonna lie. I

883
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: got emotional because I had had such down sophomore year

884
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 4: for me, Like you know, dude, I was taking antidepressants

885
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: at one point, like I was down, and so I

886
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: was like, oh shit, Like that's incredible, crazy bounce back

887
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 4: so then so then we're in the tournament and they're like, yeah,

888
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: you need to we lose and they're like, you got

889
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 4: to go to the final four because you won the

890
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: roup and you're in the top five of Wooden, your

891
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: top five or Natesmith. So that was all. That was

892
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: very surreal to me. You guys got to keep in mind, man,

893
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: I took Italian my junior year. At the start of

894
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: my junior year, I'm taking Italian because I'm like, man, it'd.

895
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 8: Be cool to go play overseas, you know, I think

896
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 8: that's where my life is headed, go play in Italy.

897
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 8: So you Cero, you're like, like six seven months later,

898
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 8: you're like, you're ACC Player of the Year, National Player

899
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 8: of the Year.

900
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: It was surreal. I mean I always had I always

901
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 4: had very high expectations of myself in terms of like performance.

902
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: I never had any expectations of like awards, especially after

903
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 4: my sophomore year, because that was the year I walked

904
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 4: into coach's office. First week, here's my goals. He looks

905
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: at me, he says, what the fuck did you do

906
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 4: this summer to prepare for those goals? You didn't do shit,

907
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: you know, And so that was what we had talked

908
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: about after my sophomore year, was like, all right, it's

909
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: great to set goals, like it's great to have those things.

910
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: So I let go of all that stuff. After my

911
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: sophomore year Duke, I'd let go of all that, you know.

912
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: It was just like what can I what can I

913
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: can control?

914
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: You know?

915
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and whatever happens with that great?

916
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: You know. Great.

917
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: You told me when I got to Duke that'd be

918
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: a lottery pick. Told me when I got to the

919
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: nbad have a fifteen year career. I had zero expectations.

920
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: How was it for you when when when that senior

921
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: year came to a close and you you had accomplished

922
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: what you accomplished, you felt like like how did you

923
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: feel like okay, like not just back to back, but

924
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: like all of the goals you had set, like as

925
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 2: far as like you want and get your jersey, would

926
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: tell you want to graduate, Like how did you feel

927
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: like at the end of your senior year, like when

928
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: it was time for you to like walk away from

929
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: the school and do all.

930
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 5: To day, it's.

931
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: Still it still bothers me to this day that I

932
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: didn't win to that championship there and it's I've been

933
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: able to sort of. It took three or four years.

934
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 4: I was able to compartmentalize the individual part of Duke

935
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: and say, oh wow, like you got to live out

936
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: a dream for four years and you fucking murdered. Like

937
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 4: that's awesome.

938
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: You held it down.

939
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: But then there's the other side of it and what

940
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: that would have meant to me? Would it would have

941
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: meant to coach the people I played with, the fans,

942
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: the students, like I still I still to this day,

943
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: like I regretted that. But when that season ended, you

944
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: guys know this man, like you're thinking about the league.

945
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 5: At this point.

946
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: You got like two or three months until the draft,

947
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: and so you know, you all of a sudden, like

948
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: you know it's different now with Nil, but all of

949
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: a sudden, like you can go to a T Mobile party, right,

950
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, you can walk the red carpet or something.

951
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: And I'm living in La uh out of staying with

952
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 4: aren't telling them, And I'm living in la This is

953
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: the whole thing. I'm a small town kid man. It

954
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: was like, oh, this is awesome, this is awesome. And

955
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: then I got a d UI. You know, ten days

956
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: before the draft, I get a hernated disc ten days

957
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: before the draft, and I remember sitting in jail, sitting

958
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: in jail at like Fiveday in the morning, waiting for

959
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: my sister come bail me out, and thinking like all

960
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: this shit that I worked out for, all this shit

961
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: I worked for, Like it's out the window. I'm going

962
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: to go fucking go to Italy. Go oh yeah, I

963
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: mean you know, I thought it was over with man.

964
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 5: Before I get to the draft.

965
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: And Lee, I just want to ask, like now, in hindsight,

966
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: looking back on your college career and like duked and

967
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: had a lot of dudes, bro a lot of big

968
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: time dudes to stand out, a lot of number one pigs, this,

969
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: that and the third you when it comes to Duke,

970
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: like you are one of the faces there as Christian Ladener.

971
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: There's woes, there's different guys, but like you were, like

972
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: there was if there was like a Mount Rushmore, you

973
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: would probably be on the Mount Rushmore close right there.

974
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: Just to be in that top seven, eight, ten, whatever,

975
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: just ten, because like you said, it was ninety six

976
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: to whatever. Like to be one of the most identifiable

977
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: Duke guys. When people think of Duke, they think of

978
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: this guy. You're one of those guys, it's always gonna

979
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: come up. Like at such a prestigious institution has had

980
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: so many dope players, great player, Like, how does that

981
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: feel to be like you are legit one of the faces.

982
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: Like when I think of Duke basketball, it's Christian Leydener.

983
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: I think of Coach k I mean coach k is

984
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: first period. But then like players from when I've been around,

985
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I think a Christian Laden, I think of Woes making

986
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: the big impact. I think a Grand Hill, I think

987
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: of you. I think of Elton Brand. I think of

988
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: Zion and Kyrie maybe, but then we were only there

989
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: for eight months. You guys, Yeah, you think about Tatums

990
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: and those guys a little bit, but like that's because

991
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: they're more recent and there they're a big time in

992
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: the NBA. But I'm talking about like literally, who do

993
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: you know put an imprint on college basketball?

994
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 5: Like, how does that feel to.

995
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: Be in that type of position with that with that

996
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: university it's like one of the top four or five

997
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: universities period when it comes to basketball.

998
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: I do.

999
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 4: I would just say it's not it's it's rare. It's

1000
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: not common that you can think about doing something.

1001
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the other crazy think about.

1002
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 4: Doing something for a decade, working for that and then

1003
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: getting to it, getting to experience it, and it's even better.

1004
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: You know, not to say it wasn't hard, right, but

1005
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: it's even better. And so that's how I look at it.

1006
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 4: It's like thirteen year old me would have loved, loved

1007
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: to have been All acc Player, National Player of the Year,

1008
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: right twice.

1009
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 5: Right back to that.

1010
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 4: No, it's it's beyond surreal. It's just like never, never

1011
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 4: would have thought it was possible.

1012
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: So if you could go back and tell your thirteen

1013
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: year old self, like, Yo, this is the coolest thing

1014
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: that's gonna happen to you when you're throughout your due career,

1015
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: what was the coolest thing for you?

1016
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 5: Did you feel like this was?

1017
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: Like I could have never That's easy. My friendship with

1018
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 4: a coach, k mmmm, that's easy. I mean I'm still

1019
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: friends with him. You tell you told again, I go back.

1020
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 4: He's like a demigod. It's like the first time I

1021
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 4: met him, I'm like, yeah, what is first game he's at.

1022
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, want the first time he comes

1023
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: to visit my high school, like, oh my god's and

1024
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 4: then like you meet him and he's like he's a

1025
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 4: great man, he's a great coach. Then he becomes a

1026
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: great friend.

1027
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: It's the coolest as you grow and get old.

1028
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I want to like one of the

1029
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: biggest things that I always enjoy and I was wasn't

1030
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: a part of it. It almost made me wish that

1031
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: I had attended one of these schools so I could

1032
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: be the you ain't see duke rivalry. Tell me in

1033
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: your words, like because you did it for four years,

1034
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: you did it the whole time, Like just tell me, like,

1035
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: I like the world watches you know, that's one of

1036
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: the games that that you know, not just people who

1037
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: are acc like the world, the world know that this

1038
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: is about to be crazy. I don't care who's ranked, what,

1039
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: who has what players and what's just I don't care

1040
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: who's the home team, who's you just said that they

1041
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: beat you on no fire, they won that game against

1042
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: Like tell me to you, like what does that mean

1043
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: for when you were there and like now when you're experienced,

1044
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: like how is it?

1045
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: Because it's like it's it's a cult thing.

1046
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: And I I talked crap to my to d Wade.

1047
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: I went to d Paul, he the marquette. We play

1048
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: I'll be like, that's nothing.

1049
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: Well, not only like eighty people in the world that

1050
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 4: care about De Paul and Marquette.

1051
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: Now, first of all, we're not gonna have that disrespect

1052
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: on the Knuckleheads podcast.

1053
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 5: There's fucking more than eighty people. But were gonna let.

1054
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: That slide right now because Duke in U and C

1055
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: is clearly a bigger deal. But we not just mark

1056
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 2: de Paul. We ain't gonna do that. We know better

1057
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: than that. But we we're gonna respect the biggest situation.

1058
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: Go ahead.

1059
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: No, I could have you know, it would have been

1060
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: easier if you said a basketball thing. It would have

1061
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: been easier because I didn't win a national championship. Winning

1062
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: was awesome, Winning a CCS that was great, you know,

1063
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: making Final four US that was great, But like truthfully

1064
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: being a part of that rival getting to participate in

1065
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: that rivalry, playing that rivalry.

1066
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 5: We had.

1067
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: I played nine times against UNC. I think seven of

1068
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: those games came down to the last possession. Basically, what's

1069
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: your record is six and three?

1070
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 5: Respect?

1071
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1072
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 5: Respect?

1073
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 4: They got the chipping.

1074
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 5: That's like when we talked to sheet and Stack.

1075
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, records Queen lose too. They talk a bad

1076
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: in the mic getting louder. I understand. That's why I

1077
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: had I gotta ask whenever we get one of your uns,

1078
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: I gotta hear it. The thing is like, why is

1079
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: it like your first game? I wanted what was your

1080
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: first game? Because like it's like, was it everything that

1081
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: you heard? Was it everything? Because what was the week?

1082
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: Like what was it just leading up to that first

1083
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: time you ever play? You ain't see like what was

1084
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: that like? Because I know it's got to be like,

1085
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: oh you hearing.

1086
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: I mean this is now you got like all of

1087
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: Sheskyville is covered in tents, right, and you see that

1088
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: sort of gradual increase from like Christmas break on and

1089
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 4: all of.

1090
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: A sudden game.

1091
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot when you walk up you know

1092
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: back then, dude, like you're walking across campus getting off

1093
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: the bus from East campus to West Campus freshman the

1094
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: freshman campus to the rest of the campus. You're getting

1095
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: off the bus and you walk across West Campus and

1096
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this is different. It's a buzz. You

1097
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 4: get to the cameraon indoor lines twenty times longer than

1098
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: any other game, and you get it. You come out

1099
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 4: for warm ups, people are just amped, and I remember

1100
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: y'all have a well, like a messenger. Yeah, you have

1101
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 4: like an AIME account JJ shooter three, so I uh

1102
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: shut out JJ shoot three. Able to put like an

1103
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: away message up, so like if you weren't there, you

1104
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 4: can somebody checking your account. And I remember putting up

1105
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 4: something about like camp I can't, I can't believe I'm

1106
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: getting to play in this game tonight, something I dreamed

1107
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: about my whole life, you know, going against you and

1108
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: Cee and like it was, it was good. I I

1109
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: can remember every one of those games. See do our

1110
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: boy c Do had a sick reverse layup to win

1111
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: it in overtime.

1112
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: You did.

1113
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: My sophomore year, I missed a game winner at U

1114
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 4: n C. My junior year, I remember that I got

1115
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: the defensive I sniffed out of play. They used to

1116
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 4: run this play. Defensive used to run a play for

1117
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 4: Rashad McCants. It was there, it was there, clutch time

1118
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: play for him. He'd get a rip screen down to

1119
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: the left block and then they just come and rescreen them.

1120
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: And they ran it against Yukon that year, and I

1121
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 4: remember watching the game thinking to myself, all right, you know,

1122
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: try to run that against us. I'm gonna top lock them.

1123
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 4: So I top locked him and they didn't know what

1124
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: the fuck to do, and the literally the ball just dribbled,

1125
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 4: dribble out of bounds of the clock ran out, like

1126
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: they didn't even get a shout out of the last

1127
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: play because that was their option and I snipped it out. So, yeah,

1128
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 4: who's the defensive stop man?

1129
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: When you heard your name, did you go to the draft?

1130
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? They tried not to let me go because of

1131
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 4: the d U. I there's some consternation from the NBA

1132
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 4: about letting.

1133
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 5: R made it happen. This is what happens.

1134
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: You have great shout out, all list made. We was

1135
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: all part of the same thing since SFX back in

1136
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: the day. I know, ARM know what the hell going on,

1137
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: and he gonna make it do what it do.

1138
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: So how was the experience for you and your family

1139
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: at the draft and just hearing your name called and

1140
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: you had David Stern.

1141
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: Shake that hand? What was that what you all saw?

1142
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Like what I'm saying, what was that moment? Like we

1143
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: all watched a million drafts before that. I don't care

1144
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: who you was, if you was in you was watching

1145
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: Like that.

1146
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: Was for your family to see your mom and your

1147
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 3: dad just happy.

1148
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: Overall, it was a sense of relief, a sense of

1149
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: relief because of what had happened prior to the draft.

1150
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 4: In a sense of relief, not just because I had

1151
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 4: fucked up and gotten arrested and had had a back injury.

1152
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't just because of that. It was

1153
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: that I think anytime anybody goes through that process end

1154
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: of the season to the draft, like we all hate uncertainty.

1155
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: That's just human beings. We hate uncertainty. And so to

1156
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: actually know like, oh, I'm going to this team, I'm

1157
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: at this position, this is my salary, right rookie scale,

1158
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 4: this is my salary. Okay, great, like I know, but

1159
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: the shitty part, like for me, unfortunately because of my

1160
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: actions like that night kind of got overshadowed. Because number one,

1161
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: prior to me getting drafted, they're you know, interviewing different players,

1162
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 4: and so they had interviewed me during the pregame show

1163
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 4: and that's all they wanted to ask about was the

1164
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: back injury and the Dui. And then also because of

1165
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: the Duke stuff and people hating me, like I got

1166
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: booed when I got the drafts in New York, Orlando,

1167
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: Magic have a rabid fan base. But I'm getting booed

1168
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 4: when I get drafted?

1169
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 5: How was that to be?

1170
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: You know at the it was at the garden at

1171
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: the NA auditory, Like, how was that to be? This

1172
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: is like your biggest, your dream night and your biggest

1173
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: night and the fans are booing you.

1174
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: How was that didn't deter me? I still had a

1175
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: big night, I.

1176
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: Mean, and like I said, under the circumstances what you

1177
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: had looming like that, it's.

1178
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 4: Weird now, man, because the that sort of stuff just

1179
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 4: became so natural to me, just getting booed, getting jeered,

1180
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: even when I was a duke on campus and you

1181
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 4: know you go to the mess hall and uh, cream cheese,

1182
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: bagel please, and you know the woman giving you your

1183
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 4: bagel and she's talking to you about how you and

1184
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: C's gonna beat you on Thursday. Like It's just like

1185
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 4: it became so natural for me that was happening, and

1186
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 4: it was just natural. So like the booing and jeering

1187
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 4: at the draft, like it didn't bother me.

1188
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 5: Bro.

1189
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 4: All I was thinking of was like, get this media

1190
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: stuff done. Let me go see my family aren't had

1191
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: set up a nice dinner for everybody. All that we

1192
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: had a bunch of first round picks that year, so

1193
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: we had this nice dinner afterwards. I'm just like, let

1194
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 4: me just go celebrate with the people that I care about.

1195
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 4: I don't fucking I don't care about that shit, man.

1196
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: So you get to Orlando your first year, that was

1197
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: the first year Dwight was all start to see him

1198
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: dominate the way he was dominating, and you know, you

1199
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: coming in to help out because y'all team is a

1200
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: shooting inside out with Dwight. How was that to be

1201
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: on a team and that type of team being the NBA.

1202
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 4: I mean, again, every level basketball you rise, there's certain

1203
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: people that physically and athletically stand out. Dwight was one

1204
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 4: of those guys, and he was still pretty raw. I

1205
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 4: think my first year was his third year, so he

1206
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: wasn't quite the All NBA MVP candidate Dwight, but he

1207
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: was awesome and I actually I think that he is

1208
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: probably the most underappreciated true superstar. True superstar, because to

1209
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: be a superstar, to me, like, it's not just about

1210
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 4: getting a signature shoe or being an All Star. It's like,

1211
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 4: can you be the best player on a champion, a

1212
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: real championship contender, and we were that. We were that

1213
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: in Orlando, and so you know, I think he should

1214
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 4: have been a top seventy on the top seventy five weeks.

1215
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: I said.

1216
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: He should have been, like he should have won four

1217
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 2: straight back to back defensive players. They didn't do it

1218
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: because they were mad at what he would his actions

1219
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: and to not have him in that top seventy fast stop.

1220
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate, and I'm sure I'm sure Dwight

1221
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: would probably admit this, like, oh yeah, he said, you look,

1222
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: I think because of how things happened post Orlando, post Lakers,

1223
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 4: post Houston, then he goes to this weird period of time.

1224
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: It's like we all have this like collective amnesia of

1225
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,479
Speaker 4: how Dominie was, and you know.

1226
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: How we felt personally, Me and him were there when

1227
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: he left. We felt the way when he left, we

1228
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: band together and we played against the Pacers and we

1229
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: were upset about how the whole situation went down. But

1230
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: you won't ever hear us disrespect that man in his

1231
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: game and how fucking dominant he was. I had never

1232
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: in my life played with a big man that's dominating

1233
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: him with Remember when I came to the team. I

1234
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: had to change the way I played defense be cause

1235
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: I was used to. When somebody beat me, I'm about

1236
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: to fuck him up. He had come eclipsed, solely eclipsed

1237
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: the whole paint. No, don't, I thought, hear me yelling no,

1238
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: I was good to He hit me coming up like damn.

1239
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: So I had to stop and just let him come

1240
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: do what he do. He cleaning everything up. He shut

1241
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: the whole bro he used to shut the up. And

1242
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm telling you name a point guard, Chris Paul point

1243
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: god cep had come off that thing and he'd get

1244
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: a poke on him. Remember he used to poke that

1245
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: shit out and make him stuff go start over and

1246
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: still listen.

1247
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, this boy, big fella is crazy. Y'ah.

1248
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: She peat a dang on him, though he did. Dwight

1249
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 4: was the first kid. Dwight was the first player I

1250
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: played with. And it was probably after Dwight when I

1251
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 4: like this sort of started to click. But there's there's

1252
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 4: certain guys, the real best players, the real most dominant players,

1253
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: who you could be sitting there midway through the third

1254
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: quarter and be like man, Dwight's Dwight's having an off night.

1255
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 4: Blake's Blake's having an off night, Joel's having an off night,

1256
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 4: and you look up at the scoreboard and you're like, oh,

1257
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 4: he's got twenty two and thirteen not looking at it. Well, yeah,

1258
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 4: I mean they're just that good just playing the game.

1259
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 5: They're just that good.

1260
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: This is what I want to ask because people like

1261
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: me to stay up late at night be chilling sometimes

1262
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 2: bayt the NBA TV. This was back in the day

1263
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: when and where and had it? Better basketball come because

1264
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: listen when I say listen, he knows this. I come

1265
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: to them when he came. When I got on the mat,

1266
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: I say better basketball. That's my nickname for him to

1267
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: this day. Dating ourselves a little bit. I don't care

1268
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: about this shows haven't run. It wasn't much more of

1269
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: a more perfect you. And Ray Allen is all I

1270
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: could think about for better basketball shooting. I can't think

1271
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: of nobody else. I don't care who Kyle Korov like

1272
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: they shot. They jump sides, don't look perfect, textbook like.

1273
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: Even though like Ray jump higher you, he still had

1274
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: perfect y'all two had the most perfect jump shots that

1275
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: our bear witness to. So how did the better basketball

1276
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: deal come along?

1277
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all remember there were there were

1278
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: other Better Basketball. It was a series. It was instructional

1279
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: videos and so for the jumps. Yes, so they do

1280
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: these DVDs and we're dating ourselves here, guys.

1281
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: Everybody y'all YouTube.

1282
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: You can probably find a DVD on Amazona if you

1283
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 4: want to. They would do these instructional visions and these

1284
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: motherfuckers would be like six hours long. And at the

1285
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: end of them, they paid. They'd pay Jermaine O'Neill to

1286
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 4: do post footwork. J Kid do passingly. So they had,

1287
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 4: you know, they had shooting one line down the he.

1288
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: Just said he get to come in. They got Jo

1289
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: All Star, they got Jkid All Star, and they come

1290
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: with j Rad. You feel me, my boy? Better basket

1291
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 2: as a rook that's a that's bars in the doors.

1292
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: Better Basketball?

1293
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 5: How was that?

1294
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: How did they approach you? Like? What did you think

1295
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: when you did it?

1296
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: And my agent brought me the deal and then like, honestly,

1297
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't even know how long my DVD is, but

1298
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 4: like I went for a watch, I went for a

1299
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: production day. I do I can't, I can't listen to

1300
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: my voice. I'll never watched this, guys, I never watched this.

1301
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 4: I can't listen to my voice podcast and I can't

1302
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: listen to my voice like me. But so I went

1303
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: to some random high school gym in Orlando and we

1304
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 4: had like a four hour production day and I don't

1305
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 4: remember missing a shot when we were recording the stuff,

1306
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 4: and we broke down every single aspect, shooting off the

1307
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: dribble gun, right, left footwork, left right footwork, right left footwork, hop,

1308
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: you know all this stuff, and like I just it

1309
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: was like one of those days you just didn't miss.

1310
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 4: And I don't literally don't think I missed that day.

1311
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: I just want to speak to this before like we

1312
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: get in too a the end. But like like you said,

1313
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: I was a teammate. I witnessed his regimen and how

1314
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: crazy he went to work. Like I've never seen somebody

1315
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: when he had the back stuff, but I seen I

1316
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: was seen it with Steve Nas. She went crazy with

1317
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: the bands, with the court bands and doing all them.

1318
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: I used to tell you that like j Real used

1319
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: to take up, he get his own card, go early

1320
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: to shoot around, getting the cold tub, do all this stuff.

1321
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: Like tell me, tell everybody what your whole regiment was.

1322
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: When I say, like I had never seen somebody like

1323
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: that was when I I had been through a whole

1324
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: career at this point, and I was still like damn,

1325
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: Like I was impressed. I had seen people be pros

1326
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: and people do this, but like I had never really

1327
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: seen somebody go outside of the team and leave rarely

1328
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: and do this and do that. Like I was never

1329
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: witnessed if anybody was doing I never knew about it.

1330
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: But like I would witness j Reel, I'd be like, yo,

1331
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: we get on the bus. You know, I was one

1332
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: of the first people on the bus all the time,

1333
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: playing bus with I was one of the first people

1334
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: I used to see people get them.

1335
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, what fuck jay D?

1336
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: They like he already went like I'm like what, Like

1337
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: he didn't win no matter where we at, cold tub,

1338
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: hot tub, whatever you be doing, like pregame, pre shoot

1339
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: around everything. Like I want the people to know that

1340
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: what you saw was from a result of so much work,

1341
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: because like he said, he wasn't the most athletic and

1342
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: these is things that like before I was his teammate,

1343
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: when I was looking at jail, I'm like.

1344
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 5: All this stuff.

1345
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: But then when you when you play with guys and

1346
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: you get to see what they do and how they are.

1347
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: I had a whole different respect for how you went

1348
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: about your business, for how he not only went about

1349
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: his business, but he improved things. And I got to

1350
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: see that when we play together for three years, Like

1351
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: I respect the grind and like, you know what I'm

1352
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: saying for somebody who just was like you was a shooter,

1353
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: Like nah, my boy got to the money, Like he

1354
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: started being able to come out the dribble do a

1355
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: little shit. All right, it ain't gonna be you know,

1356
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: the mixtape ship, but it was in his own way,

1357
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: and he was able to do shit. I A no, no,

1358
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: you do you do. But I'm saying like I respected,

1359
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: I respected the fact that, like I could see the progression.

1360
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. I use this in now with my kids all

1361
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: the time. It's something I firmly believe in. It's a

1362
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 4: stupid analogy, but it's it's just something to think about.

1363
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 4: And analogy is basically, if you want to have a

1364
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 4: full bucket of water, that's a goal in life. I

1365
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 4: want a full bucket. But all you can do is

1366
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: add one drop at a time. Then just add as

1367
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 4: many drops as you can. So every time you get

1368
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 4: in the cold tub, every time you lift weights, every

1369
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 4: time you have an hour shooting workout, every time I

1370
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 4: do my pregame shooting work out, every time I do

1371
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: my post shoot around, shooting my pre games. It's just

1372
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 4: it's all buckets. You know, I went. You weren't even

1373
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 4: around me in the off season. My off seasons were

1374
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 4: harder in the season. But that's a fact, and that's

1375
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 4: a big reason I retire, because I couldn't do a

1376
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 4: fuck another offseason. Like my off seasons were six days

1377
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: a week, two or three workouts a day, Saturdays, off Sundays.

1378
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: Make three hundred and forty two shots exactly every Sunday

1379
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: in the off season for the last thirteen years. It's

1380
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 4: very simple, man. There's seven spots on the floor, twenty

1381
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: spot twos, twenty spot threes, three dribbles going right, three

1382
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: dribbles going left. That's plus twenty free throws. That's three

1383
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 4: hundred and forty two.

1384
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 5: This is that shit that happened him.

1385
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 4: And when I was like this, that was what happened,

1386
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 4: I started cold tubbing, and I'd be like, I'd be like,

1387
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 4: all right, they want me to cold tub for twelve minutes,

1388
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 4: So I co tult for twelve minutes, and then I

1389
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 4: get the point why I beg You know, if I

1390
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 4: start my timer a little too early, I'm not getting

1391
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 4: that full twelve minutes. I don't want to cheat myself,

1392
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 4: So I started cold tubbing for twelve minutes and twenty

1393
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: five seconds, just give myself a wiggle room, right, you know.

1394
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 4: Then I'd everything my routine like on a normal day game.

1395
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 4: I knew exactly what I was gonna eat for breakfast.

1396
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 4: I knew exactly when I was gonna get to the gym,

1397
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 4: knew exactly many minutes I was gonna spend the hot

1398
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: tub before I got on the training table. Then I

1399
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 4: got my work in the weight room for activation. Then

1400
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 4: I got my pre shooting around shooting, then my post

1401
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 4: shoot around shooting, then my cold tub. Knew exactly what

1402
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work or eat for lunch. Then I knew

1403
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 4: exactly when I was gonna nap. I had my naps

1404
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 4: timed out. Bro By the end of my career, I said,

1405
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: I need I need to fall asleep at one oh

1406
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 4: five to wake up at three thirty.

1407
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: I could do it like that. He's making me feel

1408
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: like I could have been better. Ladies and gentlemen, I

1409
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: didn't have none of the whole day.

1410
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 5: The whole day. I know I had a routine.

1411
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 4: It's different, dude, I didn't. I didn't, especially once my

1412
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 4: kids were born. I didn't take vacations.

1413
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 5: Man.

1414
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 4: I would build in three or four day breaks in

1415
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: the off season just to give myself some clarity and

1416
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 4: like not take that pressure off. But like my off seasons, bro,

1417
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 4: they started the next Monday. It was on Saturday. I'm

1418
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 4: in the gym Monday like that. I loved the process.

1419
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: I loved everything that went.

1420
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: Into it, the part where you remember it. JJ was

1421
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: here one of my lowest moments. He was there when

1422
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: I remember when I got cut from This was one

1423
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: of the funniest things ever because I knew they was

1424
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: it like a week or something before. Remember we were

1425
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: on the plane. I was telling you, I tell it

1426
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: was me, you and Jeer, me and him and Jamier

1427
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: new sometime like, man, they.

1428
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 5: About to cut me.

1429
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: He like they like like I was guaranteed. Like so

1430
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, so that time I got cut right

1431
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: at the training camp, right first time ever. Just what

1432
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: he's saying, Like I'm sitting at home like cool, I'm

1433
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: a clear waivers, I'm get picked up immediately, right, no problem.

1434
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't see whatever. Clear waivers, crickets, two weeks, three weeks,

1435
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 2: a month, two months, crick Cause I'm sitting there like, Yo,

1436
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: this ain't how it's supposed to be. So I'm sitting there.

1437
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: One day I'm frustrated. My wife asked me, what's going

1438
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: on there?

1439
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 5: Why are you acting?

1440
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, chill, like I'm in an unfamiliar territory

1441
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: right now, I don't really know how to be. Like

1442
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: it's just like, listen, since as far as I remember,

1443
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: I've been a warrior. I've been a dolphin, a crusader.

1444
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 2: I've been a blue demon. I've been I've been, I've

1445
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: been something. I'm like right now, I ain't shit. And

1446
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: it was like finally, like really, like literally she was

1447
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: pregnant with my daughter. Then she was like, hey, babe, like,

1448
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's time you be you know, you

1449
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: just team Richison. I was like I didn't really want

1450
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: to accept that, but it got to the point to

1451
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: where it was like, Okay, I mean I guess, yeah,

1452
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, that's cool. But like then, you know, the

1453
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: whole season went. But I got picked up by the

1454
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: Knicks at the end of the year. But when I

1455
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: got picked up for that playoff run, I really took

1456
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: that like this this could be it. You better get

1457
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: have a goddamn good time around here and enjoyed it.

1458
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: So it was like literally played that playoffs, that was it.

1459
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: And then it was like I kind of went through

1460
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: the hard shit then because it was like I was

1461
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: going through it because I was looking around. I came

1462
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: to mad mad Ball, like, man, like what the fuck?

1463
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 4: I went through all of this, you were the guy

1464
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: saying he's with us, and then you became the guy

1465
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 4: that they said he's with us about. Yeah. No, we

1466
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 4: all went through that. We all went through it some way.

1467
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 4: I got lucky. I went through my hardship my last year,

1468
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 4: my last year in the league, and that was you know,

1469
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 4: the post bubble year where you couldn't leave your until

1470
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 4: you were vaccinated. You couldn't leave your hotel room, you

1471
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 4: couldn't leave your apartment. So I'm living in this excuse

1472
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 4: my language, I'm living this shitty apartment in New Orleans.

1473
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 4: And I love New Orleans. I love being outside. I

1474
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 4: love going to restaurants, all that stuff. Can't leave. My

1475
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: family's in Brooklyn, and those were like the darkest eight

1476
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 4: months of my life. I saw him three times in

1477
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 4: eight months. I'm dealing with an achilles injury. I suck

1478
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 4: and I'm like trying to figure out, like is this it?

1479
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 4: But when we I got traded Dallas, when we lost

1480
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 4: to the Clippers in Game seven, I flew back. I

1481
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 4: did an exit interview the next day. I flew back

1482
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 4: to New York, and I was ready to be a

1483
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 4: dad because I had already gone, Like I had that

1484
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 4: eight months alone to grieve.

1485
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, is your grieving of your The world had mortality

1486
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: to think of.

1487
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 3: Rethink their life.

1488
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to sit in the house and rethink

1489
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: your life and and rethink everybody around you.

1490
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: Rethink everything.

1491
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,520
Speaker 4: By the way, wives say the most profound things, sometimes simple.

1492
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 5: We don't even know. They don't even know it.

1493
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 4: But I had a few coaching offers this summer, and

1494
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 4: one of them I strongly considered. And I remember I

1495
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 4: was discussing with that. I'd called the head guy, called

1496
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 4: him a few times, and uh, she's I just don't

1497
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 4: understand why you want to take this job, And I'm like,

1498
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: I just I missed being a part of the team

1499
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 4: and She's like me, you NOx and Kai, that's your

1500
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 4: team right now. And I was like, okay, got on

1501
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 4: the phone. I was like, not taking the job.

1502
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: It's just the whole.

1503
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh at you?

1504
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: So we know how why you retire? You couldn't do that?

1505
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 3: No more?

1506
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 5: Right?

1507
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: How long did it take for you to say all right?

1508
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: I needed to go into media? Like you got the

1509
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: old Man and three you you everywhere at the ESPN.

1510
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: You up there with steven A giving him hot tasts,

1511
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: giving him a run for his money, and like, by

1512
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: the way, B and I both respect what you're doing

1513
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: up there and how you handle your business.

1514
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 5: We appreciate because I feel like.

1515
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: It's not you know what I'm saying, Us as former

1516
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: players got we gotta stick together. I feel like you,

1517
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: I feel like you do a great job of still

1518
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: always presenting as a player first.

1519
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 5: But you're honest, you know what I'm saying.

1520
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: If a player fuck up or screw up, like you

1521
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: can be honest without just trying to murder and destroy

1522
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: and kill him like some people do. You can still

1523
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: say his mistake but still see and keep him as

1524
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: a human and still because you were that player that

1525
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: made those mistakes. So I love the fact that when

1526
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: you up there and you speaking on behalf, that you

1527
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 2: can see that shine through. They're like, no, he still

1528
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: was a player, and I still can see one of us.

1529
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: But at the same time he got to be honest

1530
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: at here and do his job.

1531
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 5: So what made you, you know, take that time. I'm

1532
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 5: gonna go over here and do this.

1533
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 4: I never actually thought I was gonna work in the media.

1534
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 4: I didn't start a podcast so I could then work

1535
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 4: in the media. Never really was a thing. You gotta

1536
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: understand something, man, Like I didn't know. I didn't know

1537
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: what first take was. I knew who stephen A was

1538
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: right because he had actually what it is. When you

1539
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 4: go to it, you find out different. No, they tell

1540
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 4: me it's a debate show. I'm like, oh shit, you know,

1541
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 4: so that's hall. I did it as a test run.

1542
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1543
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 4: I signed a very short term deal right when I retired,

1544
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 4: and I've just re upped for three years. I'm happy

1545
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 4: to be back last year. I look at as like

1546
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 4: a test run, though. He's like, what do I like

1547
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 4: to do? What are the things that are important to me?

1548
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 4: What do I want to do? And like, for me,

1549
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 4: it's calling games and first take I like, I like

1550
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 4: battling with Steven A, I like doing that stuff. On

1551
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 4: the stuff about being pro player, some of that comes

1552
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 4: from my experience. I don't look at being pro player

1553
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: as some sort of bias, because I do think there

1554
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 4: are narratives and not just on first take about Lebron,

1555
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 4: about Kevin, about Steph, and I just think are stupid.

1556
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 4: I think they're bad natal And look, I had to

1557
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 4: cross that threshold last right around All Star break when

1558
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 4: CJ McCollum is doing his interview with T and T

1559
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 4: and they asked about, well, what have you and Zion

1560
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 4: talked about? And he's like, well, Zion hasn't called me,

1561
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, And this is CJ's played five games for

1562
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 4: the Pelicans. I haven't talked to Zion, and so, like,

1563
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: I had to cross a threshold where I spoke truth

1564
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 4: about how I felt about the situation. But I didn't

1565
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 4: feel bad about it because the two things. Number one,

1566
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: I'd said everything that I said on camera to Zion

1567
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 4: personally when I was his teammate. And number two, you know,

1568
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 4: some of that stuff was just about sanctity of team.

1569
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 4: And so I had to go and talk about the

1570
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: Kyrie and the nets and the katie and some of

1571
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 4: that it's uncomfortable to talk about because I want to

1572
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 4: be pro player. I want to support all players. I'm

1573
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: a fan of basketball, but sometimes like you fuck up

1574
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 4: the sact of your team, all right, we need to

1575
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 4: have a discussion on that.

1576
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 5: One hundred percent.

1577
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: I tell people that all the time when it comes

1578
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 2: to situations, if this is a team, you have to ruin.

1579
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: This is a team. This ain't golf or whatever tennis singles.

1580
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: When you playing an individual sport like my whole life,

1581
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: like I talked about earlier, I've been a Warrior, Clipper

1582
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: or this, I've been a teammate, and that whole time,

1583
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: I have to think in terms. Obviously, as a human

1584
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: we think of ourselves first, but still secondarily we have

1585
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: to think about who else is going to affect, whether

1586
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: it's family, friends, or teammates. And I've always been one

1587
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: to think that way, and I've been always a team

1588
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: first guy. So I could I understood, and I could

1589
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 2: relate to where you were coming from when you were

1590
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: saying the things you were saying when it relates to

1591
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: a team.

1592
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to be perfect.

1593
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 4: I don't think this is the thing I've realized too

1594
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: in media is like, unless you're just a fucking idiot,

1595
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 4: there's no real right and wrong answer you Because I

1596
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 4: could go say something on first take, and I could

1597
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 4: have eighty percent of the people tell me, Oh, you're

1598
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 4: so right, and twenty percent of the people tell me

1599
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 4: oh you're so wrong, or ninety the very next day,

1600
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 4: I could have twenty percent of the people say oh

1601
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: you're so right and eighty percent of the people sending

1602
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 4: me death threats. Like that's just how this shit works.

1603
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 4: I don't get too wrapped up in it. But again,

1604
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 4: I look at it through my own personal lens. How

1605
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 4: I viewed a team, how i've you an athlete, how

1606
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 4: I viewed the sport in general, And I just I

1607
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 4: speak on that and I'm probably wrong. Sometimes I don't

1608
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 4: think I'm right all the time.

1609
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm probably you know.

1610
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: I just feel like when you be all about the players,

1611
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: you just know sometimes you know how the player has

1612
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: really been because you've been in them locker rooms and

1613
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: you just seen like build ups or you have seen

1614
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: something that that happened that it's like, yeah, they ain't

1615
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: really as big as what everybody try to see.

1616
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 4: Well, I think about this you you watch certain teams

1617
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 4: play that struggle again. I've only been doing this for

1618
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 4: a season and a half. Call it like, you want

1619
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 4: an explanation of why this team is struggling, and so

1620
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 4: and so wants to make it about uh, you know.

1621
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 3: They don't like you.

1622
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 4: You know they don't like each other. Sometimes I just

1623
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 4: want to be like, yeah, no, the motherfuckers don't have shooting.

1624
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1625
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: I want to ask. I kind of know this a

1626
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 2: little bit, but I just want to know when jay

1627
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 2: Rid got that bag where you felt comfortable. I don't

1628
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: want to hear about nothing for your family, your mama

1629
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: this or nobody or your dad. What did you buy

1630
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 2: for you that you at now your age you look

1631
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: back like that was stupid. I want to know your

1632
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 2: your most Atlantis big purchase where you look back.

1633
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 3: And the lash and it did that.

1634
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 5: But I did it and it felt good.

1635
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 3: It felt great at that time.

1636
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: Man, I have a feeling it might have been a

1637
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: watch for him. I feel like I know he at

1638
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: once a time he was a big watch guy.

1639
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 4: But here's the thing, You're rich. I was such a

1640
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 4: watch guy that I knew what we're goodbyes and what

1641
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 4: we're good bye bad buys. So I wasn't a guy

1642
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 4: that's going to go buy a watch and trick it

1643
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 4: out like that, just was I was gonna go buy

1644
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 4: a Paul Newman Daytona and let it appreciate.

1645
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: Time out, time out. And I see when he said

1646
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: Paul Newman Daytona. That makes me feel like it's gotta

1647
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: be six figures. What was it?

1648
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like I about it for like one seventy.

1649
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 5: Five time out.

1650
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: Now, let me just ask you this because see, like

1651
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: this is part I don't understand about I'm not a

1652
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: watch guy.

1653
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 5: I got an Apple watch.

1654
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 4: I didn't not to watch guy either a couple.

1655
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 5: Two hundred dollars or whatever.

1656
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know nothing about, nothing about what would

1657
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: make you say i'ma spend one seventy five on this watch?

1658
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 5: Why?

1659
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: Because you said appreciable, Like why I don't understand.

1660
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 4: Well, So roll Ut Daytona is one of the most

1661
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 4: iconic watches ever made, and the vintage ones are more expensive.

1662
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 4: If you can find a vintage was in really good condition,

1663
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 4: unpolished with an original dial.

1664
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: That's so you're telling me that you bought an old,

1665
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: used one for one seventy five.

1666
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, God, damn vintage watches. Where it's at? You know

1667
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 4: what's crazy? Now? I signed that one year deal in Philly,

1668
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 4: my first one year deal with them, and I so

1669
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 4: many people were like, oh, watching, watching Now by I

1670
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 4: had already made the decision that I was going to

1671
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 4: sell on my watches, because you should never let your

1672
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 4: possessions possess you. So I actually sold my entire collections.

1673
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 4: I bought my parents a house.

1674
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: How much? How much want to watch? How much was

1675
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: it all together? Your whole collection?

1676
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 4: A lot?

1677
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 5: You gonna tell you? He said, twenty one savage A lot.

1678
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: As I got one more question, let me ask you this.

1679
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: You've been on a lot of teams. You had a

1680
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 3: lot of teammates.

1681
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 1: If you was to pick four other teammates to complete

1682
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: your top five.

1683
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 5: With me with you?

1684
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 3: Wow, other team? Who would be the other four teammates

1685
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: for you to go with?

1686
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 2: Not included?

1687
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 3: Because I did just NBA, because.

1688
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 4: I feel like there's so many, there's so many.

1689
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: I got to pick four and put peoples in the

1690
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: fives against other people and I vote CP hmm.

1691
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 3: At the point you at the tween.

1692
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 5: God, at the point.

1693
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler, Jimmy Butler the threets. Wait, Joel, Joel, Prime Blake.

1694
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 3: And Prime Blake. You ain't gonna put the White in there?

1695
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 4: Way?

1696
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 2: Did too?

1697
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: Blake?

1698
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: Wait with Jimmy Philly.

1699
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 4: Wait, So Rhime Dwight, it's hard to take out. It's

1700
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 4: hard to take.

1701
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 2: Joel Joel M.

1702
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 5: Dwight.

1703
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: I think when Joel is at his best, he's.

1704
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 5: He's seven to one.

1705
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 4: He can shoot better, but he's also like he can

1706
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 4: be bigger anchor a defense. I would like more shooting,

1707
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 4: Like I almost want to put Richard at the four,

1708
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1709
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 5: So just to spread it out a.

1710
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: Little bit, Let's let's get it right. Let's get it

1711
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: right CP.

1712
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 4: CP, Jimmy Butler, Prime Blake, Blake, and be not angry

1713
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 4: to defense like d White, but I will give him

1714
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 4: the overall.

1715
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: We got that damn all right.

1716
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 2: Hey man, listen man, y'all been tuned in, and knuckleheads,

1717
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,839
Speaker 2: we're sitting here with my main man, Jay ri Ak,

1718
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise aka.

1719
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 5: Better basketball Man.

1720
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: Listen, it's passing down the young knots and it's about

1721
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: to be coming. So y'all stay tuned and we appreciate

1722
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: you coming through the day. Red Man put it up on.

1723
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 5: Us all right.

1724
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: Want to thank y'all for your continued support of the

1725
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: Knuckleheads Podcast.

1726
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,040
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