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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight.

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Speaker 3: Fire, Pamp.

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Speaker 2: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday, December eighteenth. Oh,

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Speaker 2: do we have a great podcast for you today. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm still alive. All the meatballs on social media coming

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Speaker 2: after me for my inside the NBA take which we

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Speaker 2: talked about on this podcast on Monday. Oh boy, people

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Speaker 2: are worked into a lather. But you know what, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to put that to the side. We'll have

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Speaker 2: to revisit it here in the near future because we

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Speaker 2: had a bomb dropped last night on the NFL and

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Speaker 2: that bomb was Kirk Cousins getting benched for Michael Pennix Junior,

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Speaker 2: the rookie out of Washington. Listen. After Week one, when

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Speaker 2: Cousins was horrific against the Steelers, we said, all right,

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Speaker 2: the clock has started. Kirk Cousins doesn't look the same.

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Speaker 2: He rebounded, he was fine a couple games against Tampa,

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Speaker 2: mask some other issues, and now we've got like a

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Speaker 2: five game sample size the last five weeks of just

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Speaker 2: rotten play from Kirk Cousins. He has officially been benched

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Speaker 2: by Raheem Morris. Michael Pennix will get the start this

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Speaker 2: week for your Atlanta Falcons, and now is where it

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Speaker 2: gets really interesting. We'll dig into it real quick here,

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Speaker 2: but I do want to mention we have an awesome

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Speaker 2: guest on the podcast today, Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio guy.

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Speaker 2: We talk a lot about college football, the transfer portal,

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Speaker 2: which is really scaring some people. I mean, it is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: so terrifying the transfer portal. Oh my gosh, all this

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Speaker 2: pearl clutching going on around college football, and it's like

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Speaker 2: I saw that USC lost the kid Branch he is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that Lincoln Riley lost him is

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Speaker 2: terrifying for Lincoln Riley's future at USC. He obviously he's

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Speaker 2: not going anywhere now, but man, that is a that's

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Speaker 2: a crushing lost of kid Branch was a big, big

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Speaker 2: time recruit. And I don't think the buzzards are quite

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Speaker 2: circling yet around Lincoln Riley because of that payout, which

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Speaker 2: I saw it as high as seventy million dollars, which

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Speaker 2: sounds insane, but all signs clearly point to USC needing

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Speaker 2: to win and be competitive next year or it could

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Speaker 2: get ugly for Lincoln Riley. But I think you'd like

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Speaker 2: to talk with Aaron trus So, my thoughts real quick

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Speaker 2: on Michael Pennick. So when the off season happened and

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Speaker 2: the Falcons got Kirk Cousins, everybody got excited. Oh, great move,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Falcons are ready. They had Desbert Ritter

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Speaker 2: last year, what and upgrade? And then the draft comes

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Speaker 2: along and they grabbed Michael Pennox in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what are you doing? You give one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars to Kirk Cousins and now you're drafting Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 2: who was NFL ready. It's not like he's like a

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Speaker 2: young kid like JJ McCarthy. What are we thinking here?

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Speaker 2: Just absolutely bonkers that they would do that. I said

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Speaker 2: at the time, Kirk Cousins got totally screwed, and I

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Speaker 2: stand by it today and it looks like the right

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Speaker 2: take eight or nine months, Flater, you draft Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You pay Kirk Cousins, you make him your guy.

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Speaker 2: He says he wants to retire in Atlanta, and then

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Speaker 2: you go ahead and draft his replacement, and essentially you

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Speaker 2: put Kirk on the clock. Hey man, if you're not ready,

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Speaker 2: we're kicking you the kerb and now Kirk Cousins is

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Speaker 2: failing and struggling, and it's not like you stand by

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Speaker 2: your one hundred million dollar man. That's not how it

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Speaker 2: works anymore. The Falcons they got their backup, and Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 2: we don't totally know what he's got he has, He

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Speaker 2: barely flashed in the preseason, has barely played this year.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing reports that Kirk Cousins contract is tradable. I

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Speaker 2: think it's obvious that they're not going to be looking

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Speaker 2: back to going to kirk Cousins in the offseason, even

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Speaker 2: if Pennick stinks up the joint. No, I don't see

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Speaker 2: that happening. So what do you you cut him? Do

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Speaker 2: you trade him? They basically paid sixty two and a

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Speaker 2: half million dollars in guarantees for fourteen starts. Sixty two

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Speaker 2: and a half for fourteen starts. Somebody do the math,

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Speaker 2: ill guess that's four million dollars a start somewhere in

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Speaker 2: that neighborhood for and change. Not great financially, but remember

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Speaker 2: this is the same Atlanta Falcons front office that wanted

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Speaker 2: suitors for kirk Cousins number one. I think obviously Kyle

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Speaker 2: Shanahan and the Niners make a lot of sense. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that they'll trade for him. But if this

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Speaker 2: you pay basically nothing for kirk Cousins and say, hey man,

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Speaker 2: you're getting twenty seven mil from Atlanta, we ain't paying you,

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Speaker 2: Shanahans have loved, loved, loved Kirk Cousins. That's that's obviously

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Speaker 2: been out there for a while. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: Rams would move off Stafford. I can't see that. But

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Speaker 2: I'm basically looking at anybody in that Shanahan tree, McVeigh, Lafleur, McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: If you look around the league, somebody who might say, hey,

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Speaker 2: the cheap, we could have something. I'm thinking about a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Tennessee's not gonna be drafting high enough

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Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, you're for us. What about a team like

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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, Hey, Gino, we gonna hit your ceiling,

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Speaker 2: and Kirka has a similar ceiling but a little but higher.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, do they take him on on the super

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Speaker 2: would think that's an active smart move to do, Hey,

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Speaker 2: please let me go grab Kirk Cousins. No, it's for

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Speaker 2: desperate teams who don't have a quarterback, right or the

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Speaker 2: going to be interesting to watch. I think he's played

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Speaker 2: his last down with the Falcons, barring a Pennix injury.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to our guest. He is Aaron

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Speaker 2: Torres of Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: listen live. Jason likes to think he knows everything when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows a

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back into straight fire. You know him,

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Speaker 2: Come on, he's all over Fox Sports Radio, he does

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Speaker 2: some TV.

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Speaker 3: He's a big.

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Speaker 2: College hoops guy. I know, we can't really talk about that.

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Speaker 2: In December, Aaron Torres, what is up, my.

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Speaker 3: Man, college hoops guy?

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Speaker 4: They tried to bury my guy, Dan Hurley because he

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Speaker 4: and it became a national story.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, they come back from MAUI uh.

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Speaker 4: And then they went fourth straight, including against gonzag at

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Speaker 3: By the way, Uh, yeah, we.

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Speaker 4: Don't have to talk too much college hoops, but but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry that, you know, my coach became a national

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Speaker 2: Let's be real, the behavior in Hawaii was a little unbecoming.

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Speaker 3: Shall we say, you know what I was thinking about?

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Speaker 4: I will tell you is your college football guy? Remember

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Speaker 4: of the year it was oh seven less mile like

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Speaker 4: LSU win won the championship. They were the only team

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Speaker 4: This was late in the season when he's trying to

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Speaker 4: Yukon this year. Haven't lost on the mainland yet, put

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Speaker 4: forty eight. Hawaii doesn't count. It's thirty seven time zones

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Speaker 4: that's been the big college hoops story. I feel this

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Speaker 4: year outside of Cooper flag is Dan Hurley yelling at

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Speaker 4: because they're not winning every game by thirty points.

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Speaker 2: I would toss in the SEC's total dominance, but we're

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Speaker 2: the nil and the portal and all the pearl clutching

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Speaker 2: this media stuff too, but this whole outreach. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: how are coaches supposed to prepare for a ball game

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Speaker 2: when they've got to re recruit their own guys? Oh,

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Speaker 2: it's so difficult. You know, James Franklin, what's he make

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Speaker 2: just so challenging. It's just more work. I'm a little

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Speaker 2: over it, Like, can we just chill out? What offending

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Speaker 2: I think the coaches and the old garder kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, there's two things. One I mentioned this.

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Speaker 4: I did an interview with two of our friends, Steve

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Speaker 4: They were asking me about this, and I said, well,

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Speaker 4: here's the issue with the portal. And this is gonna

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Speaker 4: sound crazy and people are gonna think it's insane, But

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, college football players are

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Speaker 4: still college students, okay, And the issue becomes all of

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Speaker 4: these players need to get to their next school by

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Speaker 4: be enrolled ineligible to play. Now, I think there's and

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Speaker 4: so that's why we do the portal now. Because I

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Speaker 3: Just do the portal after the season.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, I get it, But the season ends

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Speaker 4: January fifteenth. Now January eighteenth, it's like most schools have

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Speaker 4: started their spring semetari, so it's not totally realistic.

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Speaker 3: But what I would also say.

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Speaker 4: Is like, as an example, on Sunday night, there was

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Speaker 4: quarterback at Penn State, and it's like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: I you know, based on the circumstances, I have to

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Speaker 4: enter the portal right now and can't be with my team.

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Speaker 4: The opposite of what I just said is true as well, Jason, Okay,

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Speaker 4: there is not a school that Bo Babula would consider

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Speaker 4: transferring to that absolutely needs him enrolled by this coming Friday,

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Speaker 4: or it's totally off the table. In other words, he

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Speaker 4: Maybe it can't be there if the Penn State makes

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Speaker 4: Bo Prabuila's agent has probably been feeling out who might

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Speaker 3: But I just don't.

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Speaker 3: He decided to do the opposite that, So.

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Speaker 2: Let you know, injuries happen. Right, let's say both says.

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Speaker 2: You know what, hey, let's just pick a school.

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Speaker 2: You losing Camp Moore, They're not, Miami's not going after it,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna hold the slot for you. Bo goes out

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Speaker 4: Then don't put out a thing on Twitter that says

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Speaker 3: The system allows you to stay at Penn State.

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Speaker 4: You're choosing not to and it might be protecting sound,

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Speaker 4: we've had obviously thousands of players hit the portal.

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Speaker 3: We've had a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Them say that they're going to play in bowl games

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Speaker 4: I just don't want you to say on your graphic

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Speaker 4: I gotta protect my future to look out for number one.

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Speaker 3: I want to get to the next spot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot that. I'm always looking out for

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Speaker 3: You have to, you know, and we got families.

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Speaker 4: I've never once said it's the wrong decision. I just said,

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Speaker 4: I work with Jason Martin.

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Speaker 3: Forgive me three hours every Saturday. I got a yellow

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Speaker 3: Jason Martin, So J Mack, I apologize. It's all good.

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Speaker 4: You asked me about the system where players are leaving,

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Speaker 4: But the alternative is, you know, and the counter to

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Speaker 4: Let's assume let's imagine a world where this Bo Pribula

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Speaker 4: as you announced, he's coming back. Well, now, James Franklin's

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Speaker 4: But that but that, I just think the portal whatever,

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Speaker 4: out a way to convince the media that it was

432
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Speaker 4: all Kyle McCord's fault, right, And so Kyle McCord, they

433
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Speaker 4: basically force him into the portal, convince everybody that the

434
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Speaker 4: guys they got are better. Then we realized the guys

435
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Speaker 4: they got aren't better. So they go get Will Howard,

436
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Speaker 4: who isn't better, and Kyle mccordan by the way, yeah,

437
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Speaker 4: Kyle McCord goes to Syracuse. Syracuse was the leading passing

438
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Speaker 4: team in college football this year, which is insane to

439
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Speaker 4: think about. So I think it would work better both ways.

440
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Speaker 4: I think one obviously, the players would be more committed

441
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Speaker 4: to the school, and I think vice versa. You know,

442
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Speaker 4: I don't think you could be so willy nilly in

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Speaker 4: the portal where basically, if it doesn't work out, or

444
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 4: by the way, high school as well, if it doesn't

445
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Speaker 4: work out, oh we just run him off and give

446
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Speaker 4: it scholarship to somebody else. So I would have no

447
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Speaker 4: problem with it. I don't know if there are legal

448
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Speaker 4: reasons that we have not yet gotten to multi year contracts.

449
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Speaker 4: I've heard of stories where players are basically promised things

450
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Speaker 4: on a two year basis, but I don't know if

451
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Speaker 4: legally you can say it's a contract. So it's very nuanced.

452
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Speaker 4: But I do think and by the way, I just

453
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Speaker 4: think it's the bigger point of at some point we

454
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Speaker 4: do need to just get to college at least college

455
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Speaker 4: football players college basketball being.

456
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Speaker 3: Employees of the school.

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Speaker 4: And I know that opens up a whole new can

458
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Speaker 4: of worms, but that's really the only way to get

459
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Speaker 4: all to kind of wrap your arms around.

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Speaker 3: All this and get some sort of regulation on it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's some people out there who are

462
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Speaker 2: hearing this to being like, you guys are overreacting. I

463
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Speaker 2: just want to point out the Sam Hartman thing at

464
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. So he went from Wake Forest to Notre Dame.

465
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Speaker 2: Everybody was like, oh Man, Irish re loaded, that's a

466
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Speaker 2: potential national championship team. And Hartman was good, but he

467
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Speaker 2: wasn't unbelievable, and Notre Dame ended up losing three games

468
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Speaker 2: right the tough one against Ohio State. There was a

469
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Speaker 2: couple of others. So it's like, you can come really

470
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Speaker 2: close with a good quarterback or if you strike gold

471
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Speaker 2: boom like Dylan Gabriel to Organ. I mean, Dylan Gabriel's

472
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Speaker 2: been tremendous. Cam Ward elevated Miami from also ran to

473
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Speaker 2: could have should have maybe been in the playoffs. I

474
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Speaker 2: just wonder if Ohio State, which allegedly was in on

475
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Speaker 2: the camp Ward bidding and lost out. You know, they

476
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Speaker 2: have to quote unquote settle for Will Howard. Listen, in

477
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Speaker 2: the two biggest games of the year for Ohiose State.

478
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's been good. So well, we're not overreacting,

479
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Speaker 2: are we. This stuff is big business, and you know,

480
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Speaker 2: like you get the right quarterback in there and instantly

481
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Speaker 2: you're elevated, and you're I mean, look look at SMU,

482
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Speaker 2: look at Arizona State, look at Boise. These these programs

483
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Speaker 2: are hitting the portal hard and they're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great for the sport, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's no doubt it's great for the sport. And

486
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Speaker 4: you know, look at Colorado. I mean Colorado. Never forget Colorado.

487
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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, they Arizona State was the Big Twelve champ,

488
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Speaker 4: but Colorado just it was.

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Speaker 3: They were only not in the game.

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Speaker 4: Because of tie breakers. There's a four way tie in

491
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Speaker 4: the Big Twelve. So yeah, listen. I think the portal

492
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Speaker 4: is a net positive for coverage of college sports. You know,

493
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Speaker 4: I told you before we went on an air. You know,

494
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Speaker 4: somebody who covers both college football and college basketball. December

495
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Speaker 4: and April, which is when the basketball portals open, are

496
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Speaker 4: two of my busiest months now when they were largely

497
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Speaker 4: dead periods, you know, five, six years ago. So it's

498
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Speaker 4: great for coverage. And I think for a lot of

499
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Speaker 4: players changed their lives. Changed Joe Burrow's life, change, Baker

500
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Speaker 4: Mayfield's life. I also do think there are guys that

501
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Speaker 4: are on their fist school in six years, and you

502
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Speaker 4: know there are academic components to it. Never gonna get

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Speaker 4: your degree. I think for a lot of players it

504
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Speaker 4: stunts their growth. You know, you think you know, I'll

505
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Speaker 4: just give you. And this is maybe an unfair example

506
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Speaker 4: because I don't have all the details on what happened.

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Speaker 4: But there's a kid named Alik Murphy. Was quin you

508
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Speaker 4: weres back, Yeah, was quin you weres back up last

509
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Speaker 4: year at Texas. Obviously we knew that Arch Manning was

510
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Speaker 4: the air apparent, and so he hits the portal this year,

511
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Speaker 4: goes to Duke, leads Duke to nine wins, throws for

512
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Speaker 4: twenty six touchdowns, sets the school record for touchdown passes,

513
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Speaker 4: and decides to re enter the transfer portal. And now

514
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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what happened, but there was no

515
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Speaker 4: coaching changed. It's the same coaching.

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Speaker 3: Staff, etc.

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Speaker 2: Etc.

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Speaker 4: And so I do wonder if a kid like that,

519
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Speaker 4: does it stunt your growth going forward? So I think, listen,

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Speaker 4: first of all, it's your life, do whatever you want.

521
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Speaker 4: I don't really care. Doesn't make a difference to me.

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Speaker 4: And I think for a ton of players, like I

523
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Speaker 4: said you down the list, Joe Burrow, whoever Jamison Williams

524
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Speaker 4: right was kind of buried behind Garrett Wilson and all

525
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Speaker 4: those guys at Ohio State, goes to Alabama, ends up

526
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Speaker 4: being a first round pick. So there are plenty of

527
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Speaker 4: examples of the portal working. I do think there are

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Speaker 4: some downsides. To anyone who has ever transferred to college

529
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Speaker 4: knows academics don't always line up, credits don't transfer, blah

530
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Speaker 4: blah blah. Sometimes you run out of eligibility, you don't

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Speaker 4: have your degree. Sometimes you don't get developed properly. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: you go to a place that you think is going

533
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Speaker 4: to be better and it's not. Sometimes they promise you

534
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Speaker 4: something you don't get. Sometimes you know, the coach gets

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Speaker 4: fired after a year and you're back in the portal.

536
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Speaker 4: So it's a risk reward for everybody. It has made

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Speaker 4: covering the sport more entertaining, even if I don't understand

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Speaker 4: necessarily all.

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Speaker 3: Of the decisions that are made.

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Speaker 2: And let me let's go to Murphy real quick, because

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Speaker 2: you know he goes to Duke. I'm sure they gave

542
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Speaker 2: him a nice little chunk of change. He goes to

543
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Speaker 2: the ACC, had a great season. But if we're being

544
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Speaker 2: honest with ourselves, I don't think he, in any way,

545
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Speaker 2: shape or form, has distinguished himself as an NFL prospect.

546
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's an undrafted free agent, a late round pick.

547
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's just not a great quarterback class.

548
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Speaker 2: What if aaron I just used Miami because they love

549
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Speaker 2: to throw money around. Miami saw him at Duke, was like,

550
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Speaker 2: this guy's pretty good. We're losing Kim Ward. What if

551
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Speaker 2: we could get Malik Murphy and Malik Murphy makes the jump,

552
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Speaker 2: Let's just use easy numbers. Duke had him at one

553
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Speaker 2: million dollars a year, okay, and Miami says we will

554
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Speaker 2: go to two million dollars a year if you're not

555
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Speaker 2: playing pro football. And I don't think Malik Murphy is

556
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Speaker 2: going to be a pro. Maybe he's a practice squad guy. Whatever,

557
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Speaker 2: He's not gonna get one of those huge contracts in

558
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Speaker 2: the NFL. I think you'd beating yourself a disservice if

559
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Speaker 2: you didn't leave Duke for more money. Would you, honestly,

560
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Speaker 2: if if Malik Murphy doesn't make the NFL and he

561
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Speaker 2: goes into I don't know, car sales in Texas or

562
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Speaker 2: accounting or sales, he ain't making a million dollars anytime soon.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that let me let me piggyback off that,

564
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Speaker 4: because I think that gets to the most fascinating conversation

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Speaker 4: in college football right now.

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Speaker 3: Which is Bill Belichick.

567
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Speaker 4: And I think there is this complete misconception about what

568
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Speaker 4: recruiting actually is. And I actually think for most players

569
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Speaker 4: in the portal, it is exactly what you just said,

570
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Speaker 4: Jay Mack, not j Mark.

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Speaker 3: J Mack. Is that for most guys, they know I'm

572
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Speaker 3: not an NFL guy.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, maybe Bill Belichick can get me from the

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Speaker 4: fifth round to the third round.

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Speaker 3: But maybe Miami's offered me two million dollars.

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Speaker 4: I better take the two million dollars in hand rather

577
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Speaker 4: than hoping that Bill. And so I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: for people who cover college sports on a day and

579
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Speaker 4: day out basis, I find that the disconnect between the

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Speaker 4: people cover college sports and how they view Belichick and

581
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Speaker 4: his potential to succeed, and the people that cover pro

582
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Speaker 4: sports and see, you know, kind of how he the

583
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Speaker 4: people cover pro sports, how they perceive Bill Belichick. And

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Speaker 4: I only bring it up because I think what you

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Speaker 4: just said. You use Malik Murphy as a perfect example.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Dudes in college football, in college basketball, their biggest payday

588
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Speaker 4: is going to come in college It was interesting, probably

589
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Speaker 4: about six weeks or so ago, I spoke on an

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Speaker 4: NIL panel and the keyenotees speaker that day was the

591
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Speaker 4: new Saint Bonaventure GM Adrian Woldernowski, and he was talking about,

592
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Speaker 4: you know, I know what a European contract looks like.

593
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Speaker 4: And even at Saint Bonaventure, there's a lot of kids

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Speaker 4: that are gonna make more money at Saint Bonaventure than

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Speaker 4: they will ever playing playing.

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Speaker 3: Pro basketball anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 4: I just bring that up because I think that is

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Speaker 4: the part that has been lost in the Bill Belichick conversation.

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Speaker 4: You can't tell me that Bill Belichick does any better

600
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Speaker 4: of a job developing guys for the pros, the elite

601
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: guys than in Alabama Will, than in Ohio State Will

602
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Speaker 4: then whoever. And then I think the counter to that

603
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Speaker 4: as well, if you want to build through the portal,

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Speaker 4: most of the guys in the portal, understandably are kind

605
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Speaker 4: of like dude, especially the older guys, the guys that

606
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: are established, the guys that people everybody wants it this time.

607
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 4: Heere a Will Howard last year or Riley, you know,

608
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Speaker 4: guys like that.

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Speaker 3: They're basically looking at it. And it's the same in basketball.

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Speaker 4: Is I probably am a third, fourth, fifth round pick

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Speaker 4: and I can go be on a practice squad, and

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Speaker 4: J Mack, you would know what the you know what

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Speaker 4: the salary of a practice squad a fifth, sixth, seventh

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Speaker 4: round pick is as opposed to a college quarterback. But

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Speaker 4: my guess is an elite college quarterback in the Big ten,

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Speaker 4: in the SEC some of these Big twelve schools is

617
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Speaker 4: probably making more. And so what you said is accurate.

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Speaker 4: It's one hundred percent right. It is a decision that

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Speaker 4: a lot of these players are making. But it's also

620
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Speaker 4: why I don't think that Bill Belichick's gonna wave a

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Speaker 4: magic wand and everyone's gonna want to come play for him,

622
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Speaker 4: because so many of these decisions are just financially related,

623
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Speaker 4: knowing that, hey, I'm not gonna be a first, second,

624
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Speaker 4: third round pick.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the NFL real quick, I'll say

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Speaker 2: this about Belichick. So he coached the Patriots for what

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five years something like that. He's had so

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Speaker 2: many guys on his staffs fan out around the league,

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Speaker 2: so many guys from his front office fan out around

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Speaker 2: the league. If you work your ass off for Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick for a season or two, he's gonna notice and

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Speaker 2: he can probably call. I would guess there's somebody who's

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Speaker 2: been connected to Belichick on one of his staffs at

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Speaker 2: at least twenty teams in the league. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how low or how high, but there's somebody front office

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Speaker 2: and coaching staff at least twenty teams from sure. And

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Speaker 2: if you bust your hump for Bill Belichick for a

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Speaker 2: year or two, you're telling me you don't think he

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Speaker 2: could put in a text or two or three or four.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, you got to give a look to this kid.

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Speaker 2: And I think that to me totally something. And you

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Speaker 2: know this, Aaron. Being in sports media, it's not always

647
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: what you know a lot of times it's who you know.

648
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: And if you can get a connection in with somebody

649
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: to get you in the door, I mean, you don't know. Again,

650
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: people don't care about this, but I probably get hit

651
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: up at least every other week. Hey man, can you

652
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: tell me about the internship program at Fox? Can you

653
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: like make anything happen? I get this all the time,

654
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: and I've probably got four people internships. Oh no, not

655
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: not just me. Obviously, they have to have the resume.

656
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: I can just say, hey, you know what this guy,

657
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: I know this person there.

658
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: The Lebron James of Fox Sports.

659
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 4: One hudge, a little nepotism going on, just sneaking everybody

660
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 4: in the side door.

661
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: It's guys who obviously have the resume. And I know

662
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to vouch for somebody I know nothing about.

663
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: You know, if I know your work ethic and you're

664
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: gonna grind, I'll say, hey, man, we need to give

665
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: this kid another look. I don't have final say no.

666
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: I can't just say, hey, get Joe in there, we

667
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: need him. I can't do that. That's not happening. But

668
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: you know, a nudge doesn't hurt. And I'm sure you've

669
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: helped people get jobs places right I have here.

670
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people that this is kind

671
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: of how it works. So any got friends in those places?

672
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: Baby, Oka ahead, let's go. Let's go to the NFL

673
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: real quick. So I almost want to pour some out

674
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 2: here for the Detroit Lions, Aaron. I just feel awful

675
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: for them. So, you know, amazing season. They were the

676
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: best team in the league, and now they have thirteen

677
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: defensive players on injured reserve, and you add one Aleen McNeil,

678
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: the defensive lineman. He's done for the year. And then

679
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: the brutal news Monday, David Montgomery out for this season

680
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: with the sprained MCL. I mean, the wheels have fallen off.

681
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: They can't stop a nosebleed defensively. I mean, Gibbs is

682
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: very good, but Montgomery was an excellent back. I don't

683
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: I think the super Bowl dreams are fading fast for Detroit.

684
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: Huh.

685
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: Somebody who had the Lines winning the Super Bowl in

686
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: the preseason. And it wasn't like I didn't bet, you know,

687
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: I don't have like a futures ticket. It was just

688
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: you know, you know that Fox Sports Radio spreadsheet. Yes,

689
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: of course, you know you're you're fighting for respect that

690
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: in that steal from guys like Rob Garrett, who'd like

691
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: to poke when you're down.

692
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: But I had the Lions winning the Super Bowl.

693
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: So now I'm just sad because it was a great

694
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: It is still a great story, and obviously Dan campbells

695
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: an easy got a rally on. Let me ask you,

696
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if you and Colin have chewed on this,

697
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: do you think there's anything to like Dan Campbell, obviously,

698
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: we know the ethos of that program, of that organization

699
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: is like physicality, toughness.

700
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: You know, we all watched Hard Knocks.

701
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: They probably go a little harder in the preseason than

702
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: a lot of other teams do. I'm just it was

703
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 4: just a thought that popped into my head as it

704
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: just feels like they're wearing down in a way that

705
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: other teams aren't. Again, I don't know if you've thought

706
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: about it, if you and Colin have talked about it

707
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: on air at all, but it does feel like I

708
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: wonder if there's something too. You know, a culture of

709
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: toughness is great, but when you're going hard on August

710
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: third and everybody else is kind of not really in pads,

711
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 4: maybe it's catching up to them in a way now

712
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: that it doesn't for other teams. I don't know if

713
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 4: I'm totally out of left field on that.

714
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, No, I think there's probably something their.

715
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: Left for the air too. If if you liked it, I.

716
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: Mean, listen, I don't. I'm not above stealing stuff. I

717
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: just I mean, I mean, how could you say for sure?

718
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: I can't.

719
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: That's so I was just asking I know, you guys

720
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: have a lot of theories on that show. That's why

721
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: I asked good things.

722
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: I mean, have plenty of theories.

723
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, maybe it's just I don't want

724
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: to say curse because what are they go, They're thirteen

725
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: and two or something, and like how I was at curse.

726
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: But like, this is just about as sad as it gets.

727
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: For if you're like agree, no, like you've been waiting

728
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: what fifty years for this, I don't know how long

729
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: it is. They lose a brutal NFC championship, came to

730
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: the Niners. That was devastating, and now and now this,

731
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: let me ask.

732
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: You a question.

733
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: I came to the conclusion this was Monday morning, so

734
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: the day after the Bills beat the Lions, I'm actually

735
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: going to be mad if the Kansas City Chiefs win

736
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. This oh of course, yeah, Like, okay,

737
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: So that's not a hot take because because there are

738
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: so many teams playing at such an elite level, and

739
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: there's the window for all of these teams because of

740
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: the way the salary cap works, because of the way

741
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: the injuries pile up is just so small. The Eagles

742
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 4: obviously the same thing and It's like the Eagles, how

743
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: many great saque years do you have left?

744
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: Josh Allen?

745
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: You know, I know he's running the ball less than

746
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: he has, but like he's obviously playing. And I did

747
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: see you and Colin talking about this on Monday about

748
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: literally playing the quarterback position as well as you can

749
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: play it at the highest level that you can play

750
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: it at. And it's like these Josh Allen years don't

751
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: go on in perpetuity forever. Like at some point it's

752
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: going to slow down. You know, I've you know, we

753
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: all watched the NFL on Sunday, but it's amazing some

754
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 4: of these hits that he takes. He just bounces right

755
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: back up. You're like, dude, that was a three hundred

756
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: and twenty pound guy that just landed on you. And

757
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 4: so I bring it up because the Chiefs, obviously we

758
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: know the narrative. You know, they've they've they've escaped and

759
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: survived so many games and obviously, look, you know, I

760
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: know Mahomes got hurt on Sunday. You want him to

761
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 4: be back full strength. You want to see everybody at

762
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 4: full strength. But it's like between the Lions, the Eagles,

763
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: the Bills, they're all playing at this insane level. And

764
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: I know the Lions obviously, as we just alluded to it,

765
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: were banged up, but it's like, dude, if one of

766
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: these other teams can't take advantage this year, I'm act

767
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: truly going to be mad because the Chiefs obviously are

768
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 4: not playing at the same level that they have in

769
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: the past, and somebody just needs to go take that

770
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: throne from them, because it's like, dude, like I said, Eagles, Bills, whoever,

771
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: you only get so many bites at the Apple take

772
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: full advantage.

773
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: How about this theory is if anybody's gonna take it

774
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: from the Chiefs, it's the NFL. I think one of

775
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: the craziest stats this year. And I know everybody's like,

776
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: wait a minute, the refs are for the Chiefs.

777
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: Just wait.

778
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are playing on every single day of the

779
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: week except for Tuesday this season. Wow, yeah, that's crazy.

780
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: They're playing three games in eleven days now. Mahomes is hurt.

781
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: The left tackle situation. I know the kid that they

782
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: kicked out from guard had a good game, but come on,

783
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: the situation's dire. Carson Wentz's trash as a backup, we

784
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: know that. And then You're like, oh, well, if they

785
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: lose to the Texans, then there are underdogs this weekend.

786
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: Mahomes doesn't play then, and Buffalo's coming hard. And let's

787
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: say they lose to the Steelers. If Mahomes with his

788
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: high ankles praying, can't go all of a sudden, Buffalo

789
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: has the tiebreaker because they beat him AT's head. And

790
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: now Casey's not the number one seed. And I can

791
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: already hear the Chiefs fans, right, but well, we did

792
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: it in last year. We weren't the number one seed.

793
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: This year's team ain't last year's team. I think there's

794
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: a considerable drop off. How's this tours? You want to

795
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: hot take late on me? Who's had a better season

796
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: this year? Baker Mayfield or Patrick Mahomes.

797
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: I haven't looked at all the olymtics on Mayfield, but

798
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: I just bring it up because again, while I was

799
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: working out this morning, I was listening to you in

800
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 4: Colin and you went through no, no, no, no, seriously.

801
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: You went through I did kind of burn that on

802
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: cal hurt.

803
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no.

804
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: It was a great point by you of the teams

805
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: that they have beaten, the teams that they have played tough,

806
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: the fact that they did beat the Eagles, they did

807
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: beat the Lions, the fact that they did play the

808
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: Chiefs sweat into overtime, double overtime, whatever it was.

809
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't.

810
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: I don't have the numbers on Baker specifically, but I don't.

811
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: I don't think that I realized quite how impressive that

812
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay resume is until I actually heard.

813
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: You guys talking about it on a Monday morning.

814
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Chiefs, you know, the NFL's using them

815
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: this whole like, oh, we have to put them on

816
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: Peacock for a playoff game. Okay, okay, fine, Now we

817
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: gotta put them on Christmas Day, a Wednesday. We need

818
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: them on Saturday, Black Friday.

819
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: I remember, they're basically yeah, Black Friday.

820
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: They're just using the Chiefs to git up their numbers

821
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: so they can pump them out and say, oh, it's real.

822
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: I mean again, it's it's smart. I would do the

823
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: same thing. And but the loser in all this, Aaron undeniedly,

824
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: is the Kansas City Chiefs, because this this is just

825
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: a dot. And remember this is the end of the season,

826
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: like you're worn down at this point, injuryies mounting, So

827
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: who you got opposite the Bills in the Super Bowl.

828
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: I mean it was the Lions. But to your point,

829
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: the injuries are just starting to pile up the Eagles.

830
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: You know, I still don't fully trust Sirianni, but he's

831
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: been there. The staff has obviously been upgraded. Listen, I

832
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: understand you have to give the MVP to Josh Allen

833
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: this year, but like Saquan has been so unbelievable and

834
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: giving it to, you know, taking them to such another level.

835
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: And what I also think is interesting now is with

836
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: with the Lions as beat up as they are, Philadelphia

837
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 4: sitting at twelve and two, just like the Lions are

838
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 4: sitting there with two losses, and I haven't seen the tiebreakers.

839
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 3: I just haven't given it much thought.

840
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: But all of a sudden, you know, we just assume

841
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: the path to the Super Bowl is going to go

842
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: through Ford Field. I think we've just kind of assumed

843
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: that for a while. Now it might not now that

844
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: they got to play outdoors. Now there's the whole conversation

845
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: about Jared Goff playing in cold weather outdoors, not in

846
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 4: a dome, blah blah blah blah blah, this and that,

847
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: and so I'm trying not to be a prisoner of

848
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: the moment, but but you know, really the Lions have

849
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: kind of been a descending team for what three four

850
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 4: weeks now, you know. I mean, obviously the Bears game

851
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: on on Thanksgiving Day, we all watched as as the

852
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: Bears had a play in the final seconds to potentially

853
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: win that one in Detroit. Obviously we know what happened

854
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: on the Thursday night game against the Packers, and so

855
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 4: I just bring it up because it feels like, to

856
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: the point that you brought up earlier j Mac, that

857
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 4: the Lions probably hit their peak about five six weeks

858
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: ago and now they're kind of just treading water trying

859
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 4: to get to the finish line. I will say, if

860
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: they can somehow get that first round, if they can

861
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 4: somehow get the number one seed, which would one give

862
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 4: them a bye but then too obviously give them home

863
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 4: field advantage, I think that'd be huge. But obviously you

864
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: play as what they win twelve straight games, eleven straight games,

865
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: whatever it was, and it's like and to have a

866
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: historic run like that, by the way, be tied in

867
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: the lost column in your own division with Minnesota, tied

868
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: in the lost column with Philadelphia, it's kind of just

869
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 4: surreal to think about. They might not even win the division.

870
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: They might open on the road in the playoffs.

871
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: Depending on how these final few weeks ago.

872
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: That would be awful for them. All Right, we can

873
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: wrap up quickly with a little bit of college basketball,

874
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: just a little I'm looking around and I know you're

875
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: all over Ken Palm, and it's a weird year because like,

876
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: nobody's really that into college basketball. People are into Cooper Flag.

877
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: But if I went up to like NBA fans and

878
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, who's the best player on Auburn,

879
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: which is the number one team in the country, number one?

880
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: And Ken Palm a real beast this year, I guarantee

881
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: you ninety percent of people, but I have no idea.

882
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: Same deal with Tennessee. They don't have a Dulton connect

883
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: this year.

884
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: Just da'nt connect was last year.

885
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: No, not really. But then he started putting up thirty

886
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: and forty in conference play in January and February, and

887
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this.

888
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: Guy can go.

889
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: I'd also say this, though, I don't think the average

890
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: college basketball fan has any idea who like Jalen Green is.

891
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: So like you know, NBA.

892
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, NBA fans like to do this whole Oh who

893
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 4: do they have?

894
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: Nobody knows.

895
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, no disrespect intended. Like you know

896
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: some of those younger guys that are now sending like

897
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards.

898
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, people know who they are.

899
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: But like again, like Franz Wagner, I don't know that

900
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: Franz Wagner is drawing people the TVs on a Tuesday

901
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: and he's averaging twenty five A games, not even in Orlando.

902
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like there's so many good young players in

903
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: college basketball. I don't know if they'll stay long. But

904
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: like Auburn has this kid who's not even a starter, Pettiford. Yeah,

905
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: he's good dude. So I saw him against Duke and

906
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: he is I'm talking chiny freshmen coming out. I'm like,

907
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: who the hell is this guy? And then you start

908
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: looking into him and he's like a big deal on Instagram.

909
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: And I will say, I think it's for some And

910
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: you can maybe help me with this. If you compare

911
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: the most popular NBA players on Instagram TikTok blah blah

912
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: blah to the top of NFL, it is not even close.

913
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: It's a bigger gap than the ratings are between the

914
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: NFL and NBA for whatever reason, culturally, basketball online is

915
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: so much bigger than football.

916
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: It is.

917
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: It is so and nobody wants to act like this matters,

918
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: but it's a real thing. Like if you look on

919
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: social media Lebron and I know he's been around for

920
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: a minute, he has more like ig followers than like

921
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: the top ten NFL guys combined. Sure, and I'm not

922
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: even it might be top fifteen. And I just I

923
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: start to look at some of these college guys, Cooper Flag,

924
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: this kid Petiphord is emerging. There's guys everywhere in college

925
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: who are like, oh, shoot, what do you think is culture?

926
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: The culture?

927
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Why why does the culture love the NBA and not

928
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: the NFL?

929
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: Well, you know, isn't this the argument?

930
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: By the way, Like Mark Cuban, I know he's not

931
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: an owner anymore, but that was his big thing. Was

932
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: like when everybody'd be like, look at the ratings, he'd be.

933
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: Like, you don't understand.

934
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 4: On social our sixty second clips get forty two million views,

935
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: And it's like, I do think for like the Instagram

936
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: stuff and like the social media individual stuff.

937
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: YouTube also, yeah, I.

938
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: Think that that is part of like I think like

939
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: a player's like mixtape in high school is just so

940
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: much cooler in basketball than it is in football. And

941
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: I think that's yeah, and I think that's why, like

942
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: some of these basketball like Mikey Williams the famous story

943
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: had a million followers on Instagram before he even played.

944
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: A game of high school basketball.

945
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: And it was like, well, because he was an eighth grader,

946
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 4: that was Duncan from the freaking Foule line.

947
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: And unfortunately he probably one.

948
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 2: Who had that gun in Orange County.

949
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, where is what avery surface?

950
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: Uh he is now at Central Florida. I don't know

951
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: if he's playing. He is on their official roster.

952
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: That guy looked amazing. He was one of those early

953
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: maturing kids.

954
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 3: Well that was that was the issue.

955
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 4: I actually feel really bad for him because he was

956
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 4: never like probably as good of a player as people thought.

957
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: And then you know, some adults got involved and you know.

958
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: Four high schools in four years, and like there was

959
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 4: even a good article about you know, he started his career,

960
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: his high school career at the local high school Santa Sedro,

961
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: which is like right on the border of Mexico San Diego,

962
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: and then he did the prep school thing for two

963
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: or three years and he came back and the people

964
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 4: were like, he's not the same player, Like not only

965
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: has he regressed, like he just doesn't doesn't even have

966
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: the same confidence. And I remember seeing him at a

967
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: camp this probably would have been going into his senior year,

968
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: and you could just tell he just did not want

969
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: to be there, and I think the pressure was getting

970
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: to him all that stuff. So that's a little sad,

971
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: But I bring it up because I think that's kind

972
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: of the example of why it clicks on social media

973
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 4: for some of these kids.

974
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: They're just the highlight tapes are cool to watch.

975
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: By the way, I kind of, you know, hung in

976
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 4: cheek made fun of Jalen Green, who's a great player,

977
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: but he was another one. I think he had over

978
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: a million followers on Instagram before he got to the NBA.

979
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: And so I just bring it up because I just

980
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 4: think that's that's how it works, and it is crazy

981
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: because you know, obviously the big conversation in sports over

982
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: the last week, one of several was the declining NBA ratings.

983
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: But I'm sure you know when you guys on your

984
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 4: show talk Lebron or talk this, or like, it's amazing

985
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: to me like the interest in talking about the NBA

986
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: versus actually watching the games. And that's something that I

987
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: don't really know that I have like a great answer

988
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: as to why that is.

989
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

990
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: I just find that all very interesting, Like why, like

991
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: why can a clip on YouTube of Jason McIntyre and

992
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: Lebron or Colin Cowher talking.

993
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: About whatever get two.

994
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: Hundred and eighty three hundred thousand, five and eight hundred

995
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: thousand views, but then the game that has played the

996
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: next day featuring that player gets eight hundred thousand, you know, consumers.

997
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 4: It's just it's just an interesting dynamic that I don't

998
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: even know that I have a full answer for.

999
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: We can wrap up on this working theory. Basketball is

1000
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: a global game. People in Canada, South America, Mexico, Europe,

1001
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: and heavily Asia love basketball. They consume all of that

1002
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: stuff online. They watch an NBA game, Those ratings don't count,

1003
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: do that. You're right, sure, it's just feels and boxes.

1004
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: So basketball is a global sport and I listen, I

1005
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: love the NFL. Let's be real, Aaron, Nobody in Asia

1006
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: cares about the NFL.

1007
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Nobody, damn shots, nobody.

1008
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: They don't care at all, and so in America, yes,

1009
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: football is you know, NFL pigskin is our sport. Basketball

1010
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: is the world's game. And I that's at least my

1011
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: working theory that nationally, sure, NFL is massive.

1012
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: We know that, we've known that for years, but globally.

1013
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Basketball dwarfs it. And I mean, there's no way to

1014
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 2: look at the followers, but I'm sure you know, these

1015
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: guy like Steph Curry gets paid to go to Asia

1016
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: in the off season here in something.

1017
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1018
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: So that's a fair point. That's a fair point.

1019
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 4: And I would wonder like if you guys looked at

1020
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: your you know, analytics from you know, from your YouTube,

1021
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: like what percentage if you get you know, if you

1022
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 4: guys get a million views or it doesn't matter, could

1023
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 4: be one hundred thousand views, it could be five hundred

1024
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 4: thousand views, whatever, what percentage is actually coming from the

1025
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: United States versus outside the United States?

1026
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: Got great question. I got to dig into my analytics,

1027
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: all right, Captain too long, Eric Torres, the Great Voice.

1028
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: How many how many other guests could just bounce from

1029
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 4: college football to the NFL's college basketball just like that.

1030
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: I think I'm totally the only one.

1031
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: I'm probably When.

1032
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: You go into a holiday party this weekend, you're gonna

1033
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: be talking about everything I don't want you, not j

1034
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 2: They're just.

1035
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: Going to keep asking me about Jani Broom and Auburn basketball.

1036
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: That's all anybody wants to ask me about. Now, This

1037
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: is all anybody tell me about this Jani Broom kid.

1038
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: Not I'm kidding, all right, good stuff, Happy holidays to

1039
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: you and yours and now we'll talk to you soon.

1040
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jay Mac