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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Thursday. Man, we got

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Speaker 1: a good shot. I'm in Chicago, where the weather is perfect.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful at seventy degrees. Jmack. How's the weather in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles this morning?

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Speaker 3: We got some rain this morning for a time in

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Speaker 3: six months. LA is panicking.

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Speaker 1: College looks fun. So I was thinking about this this morning.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about the tush push and so Adam

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Speaker 1: Chef brought a store yesterday, like people are gonna get

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Speaker 1: rid of the tushpush, And I was thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: Stuff changes all the time in sports because of the

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Speaker 1: way it looks, and because this takes a while. It's ugly,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to officiate. You unpile people. It's not great television.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the NBA got rid of the Hack of Shack.

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Speaker 1: Hack a Shack was brilliant strategy by Mike Dunlevy. They

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Speaker 1: didn't like the way it looked shack clankin free throws.

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Speaker 1: Baseball got rid of the defensive shift. It was great strategy,

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Speaker 1: but they wanted more runners on the bases, more of

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Speaker 1: their stars on the bases. It was great strategy, both

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Speaker 1: the hack of Shack and the defensive shift, and I

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Speaker 1: don't like it. The tush push is great strategy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the NFL got rid of the or changed the catch rule.

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Speaker 1: They thought players were making these dramatic catches. Fantasy football

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Speaker 1: fans were like, yeah, that doesn't count, and it was like,

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Speaker 1: that's a It was a buzzkill, so they changed the rule.

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Speaker 1: So if you're bobbling it, eh, well you've got control

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Speaker 1: of it. It's like I say with my iPhone, if

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Speaker 1: I'm clutching it, I clearly have my iPhone. But even

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Speaker 1: when I let it just sit on my hand that

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Speaker 1: it can move a little, I still have control of

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Speaker 1: my iPhone. It's still in my possession. And that's what

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Speaker 1: the NFL did with a catch. You still possess it

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Speaker 1: even if the ball moves a little within your grasp,

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Speaker 1: and it was the right route move. But I do

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Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate three reasons, maybe four, to legitimately

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Speaker 1: keep the Tousch push. Number One, it is a football play.

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Speaker 1: I watch football games, and that's a play during the games.

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Speaker 1: It's not rugby. It is a play during a football game.

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Speaker 1: It's a football play. Second, if it was just about

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, the Lions would do it. The Lions

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Speaker 1: have a great offensive line. So do the Broncos. You

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Speaker 1: ever see bow next two weeks ago try his version

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Speaker 1: of the Toush push. It was a disaster. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Jared Goff can't do it. It's only about

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, his all pro center left. They're better at

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Speaker 1: it this year, they do it more this year. It's

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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts his number one asset. He's the strongest

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Speaker 1: quarterback probably in league history, pound for pound. We don't

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Speaker 1: tell Lamar Jackson to run less, we don't tell Mahomes

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Speaker 1: not to throw side arm or left handed. Why take

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Speaker 1: away the number one asset for one of the star

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. And so there are reasons to

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Speaker 1: keep it, But I think this is what's happening, and

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Speaker 1: this is the problem. They're using it too much. The

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Speaker 1: defensive shift had Joe Madden used it once a series

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Speaker 1: against the dead poll hitter. You could have it. He

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Speaker 1: started using it all the time. The NBA doesn't mind

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Speaker 1: the three point shot, but when the Knicks and the

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Speaker 1: Celtics meet and shoot ninety seven in a playoff game,

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Speaker 1: it's bad television, and Adam Silver says we may have

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Speaker 1: to change it. Remember the IRS changes tax laws and

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Speaker 1: tax codes all the time when they think something's being

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Speaker 1: manipulated or used to hurt other people. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the problem this year. Think about this. Jalen Hurts has

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Speaker 1: come from television. They're over using it. I contend if

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Speaker 1: you had one kickoff a game, they wouldn't have changed

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Speaker 1: and yet law enforcement allows you to go seven miles

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Speaker 1: thing would be allowed. The defensive shift if shack hack.

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Speaker 1: A shack could happen once, but when it becomes protocol,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is like, okay, you're doing it now more

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Speaker 1: think that is going to end it. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: last time it went up for a vote, it passed.

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Speaker 1: So there's a strong belief that they created it, they

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Speaker 1: and they're the only team doing it. I mean, Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen tried it, most talented quarterback in the league. He

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Speaker 1: can't do it. Though Nicks tried it two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: with a great old line. He can't do it. Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff can't do it with a great old Linone Herbert

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Speaker 1: can't do it. One guy can do it. Why punish

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Speaker 1: him because he's doing it too often? That's it. Adam

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Speaker 1: Silver doesn't mind the three. He doesn't want the Nicks

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Speaker 1: and Celtics shooting ninety seven of them. Here's Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 1: on his best play that may be taken away.

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Speaker 4: I think it's an exciting play. I mean, obviously there's

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Speaker 4: been a lot of discussion about it, and I think

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Speaker 4: you know, when you bring more discussion about a play,

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Speaker 4: it brings more attention to football. I always think there's

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Speaker 4: a beauty too, and like everyone knows what you're going

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Speaker 4: to run and you can still get the I mean,

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Speaker 4: it isn't that football.

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Speaker 1: Yes, to a large degree, it is. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things in life. You know, Golf is a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. But if I was doing it six

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Speaker 1: the house, and would probably say I want to scale

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Speaker 1: back on golf. But I do it this summer twice

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Speaker 1: golf is fun. There's a limit to everything, all right.

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Speaker 1: This is we have ourselves in an issue in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Bears this weekend on Fox Must Watch. Bears are

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson said this yesterday. I'm going to read it

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Speaker 1: slowly about the Bears practice habits. I'm gonna read this.

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Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. We should be

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Speaker 1: going at football very hard, finishing hard. Our offensive players,

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Speaker 1: their fundamentals are finished. Our technique they need to show

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Speaker 1: up on the practice field. That's how it shows up

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Speaker 1: on game day. Simple things like how do we properly block,

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Speaker 1: after the catch? Ball security, things like that, that stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know in youth league. Okay, now think about this.

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Speaker 1: He's not criticizing defense that just gave up fifty plus points.

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Speaker 1: He's not criticizing special teams. He's criticizing the offense. Who's

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Speaker 1: the leader of the offense, Caleb Williams. So he's also

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Speaker 1: criticizing the lack of fundamentals. He said, quote here little

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Speaker 1: things that you learn in youth league, you know, like

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Speaker 1: blocking and tackling and finishing plays hard. And I mention

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Speaker 1: this because that's Caleb's number one problem. It's not horsepower,

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Speaker 1: arm strength, mobility, it's footwork, it's mechanics, it's pre snap,

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Speaker 1: it's the basics. And I want to take you I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is a small thing. There have been

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Speaker 1: two times Ben Johnson has said things about the backup

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Speaker 1: Tyson Beagen. Here's the first. Listen closely.

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Speaker 5: I've really been blown away by his approach from the

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Speaker 5: spring to the start of camp to where we are now.

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Speaker 5: He does a tremendous job knowing what to do, how

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Speaker 1: Basically, he's saying he's really good with the fundamentals, which

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Speaker 1: is what he's criticizing with the current offense, only with

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Speaker 1: Tyson beaging, it wasn't horsepower, it was fundamentals, the exact

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Speaker 1: even more damning from Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 5: He and I are probably wired very similar, just the

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Speaker 5: loosen him up so because he I mean, he's so

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I mean, if you said that

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Speaker 1: to your wife, you know, I really I work with Cindy.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot in common. We really relate. Like

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Speaker 1: I totally get what she's saying. She's so sharp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't let your husband go to a Coldplay concert. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Like you got a problem coming. You may want to

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Speaker 1: get a hold of a divorce attorney. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to be a marriage counselor for thirty five years to

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Speaker 1: figure this out. He talks about how much he loved

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Speaker 1: fundamentals with Tyson Bagent. Now he's criticizing the lack of fundamentals.

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Speaker 1: our brains work the same way. Yeah, maybe that business trip.

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Speaker 1: Try to talk your husband out of it, like something

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Speaker 1: we think the same way. That's what I've complained about

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Speaker 1: Caleb and Ben Johnson, not the lack of talent, the

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Speaker 1: lack of symmetry, the lack of chemistry, the lack of stylistically, esthetically, optically.

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Speaker 1: They're just different. One guy is all about stacking and

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Speaker 1: plays little hero Ball. They're just different cats, just different dudes.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think those bites. I mean when I

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Speaker 1: read that this morning, complaining about fundamentals, my first thought is,

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Speaker 1: that's what you loved about the backup. A month ago.

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Speaker 1: He kept going on about so sharp the pre snap stuff,

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Speaker 1: the fundamentals, because just like Kyle Shanahan, Ben Johnson at

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Speaker 1: to be fundamentally strong. Get the pre snap down. Let's

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Speaker 1: get the operations down. You can hear a ball at

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Speaker 1: twice three times a game, but run my play. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to be positive here. I at

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Speaker 1: least our weather is good, but the stuff is jumping

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Speaker 1: out to me. Greg Cosel fifty minutes from now, can't

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Speaker 1: wait for today. Jamac urban Meyer stops by as well.

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Speaker 1: You and I talk a lot. We talk about bets.

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Speaker 1: We like a lot. I have the Blazing five. You

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Speaker 1: have tomorrow's headlines to have you put in the Blazing five, Colin,

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Speaker 1: I've got I always have seven on Thursday six, Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: Morning Show.

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Speaker 6: I drop one because you open with the Eagles and

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Speaker 6: the tush push. We saw the way the refs were

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Speaker 6: talking to the Chargers. Remember they flagged the Chargers Monday

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Speaker 6: night for a toush push attempt, and it was like, wait,

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Speaker 6: well let's going that's never flagged. Mcveigh's talking about it. Hey,

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Speaker 6: maybe I need to go to the League office, Colin,

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Speaker 6: if all of a sudden the toush push is removed.

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Speaker 3: And that the referees are going to referee it differently.

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Speaker 6: I think this hurts the Eagles Honestly, I'd be careful

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Speaker 6: backing them this weekend against We're gonna see at least

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Speaker 6: one flag for sure against the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: For the toush push.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna they're gonna do something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's there is a way to manipulate officiating.

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Speaker 1: You're now entering the No Bull Zone, sponsored by Credible

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Speaker 1: Great Rates None of the bull. So sometimes I just

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the Falcons or beating Jake Browning. Well, Colin,

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Speaker 6: All right, coward, We're starting with the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 6: one of the biggest disappointments through two weeks in the league. Mahomes,

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Speaker 6: There was still like nine minutes left. But yes, that

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Speaker 6: look at the trenches are everything right? You offensive line,

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Speaker 6: The Chiefs are number one in the NFL in blitz percentage,

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Speaker 6: So let me ask, let's spin this to the Giants

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Jones playing great. Don't kid yourself. It matters. Guys want

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Speaker 1: to get back on the field.

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Speaker 3: You don't think when somebody fills in here and crushes it.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, hey, honey, we got to get back from

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Speaker 6: vacation early.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 6: Hey, by the way, I know the Cardinals their secondary.

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Speaker 6: You got to check that injury report.

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Speaker 1: But for the.

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Speaker 3: Forty nine ers on Wednesday, I'm just going to read it.

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Speaker 6: Nick Bosa was resting, did not practice, Juwan Jennings did

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Speaker 6: not practice. Kyle Yuschik did not practice. Christian McCaffrey there's

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Speaker 6: a theme here resting player did not practice. I know

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Speaker 6: some of these guys are veterans, okay, but this is

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Speaker 6: early in the season.

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Speaker 1: For that is no. But I mean this is a

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Speaker 1: true I've seen for about five years when you get

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Speaker 1: veteran coaches and veteran reliable players. This is the Rams

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Speaker 1: do this constantly. I don't check every team. This is

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Speaker 1: Kyle giving the guys who play well, but he needs

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Speaker 1: in respect. Yeah, did not practic. That doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Ravens do that sometimes too. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: trend in the NFL, is that, especially when you play

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Speaker 1: a division rival, you know their personnel, you know the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you start playing division rivals, I mean

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Speaker 1: the games you got a lot of tape. You got

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Speaker 1: you got six games of tape in the last three years.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you're facing as an NFC team, you're

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Speaker 1: facing Lamar Jackson for the first time. It's like, I

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Speaker 1: need my guys to practice.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And Kyler Murray did have his way with the

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Speaker 6: Niners last year. He had two solid definitely one solid game.

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Speaker 3: Final story.

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Speaker 6: Colin Green Bay Packers number one in the Herd hierarchy.

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Speaker 6: The Packers are big favorites over the Browns. We cautioned

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Speaker 6: you guys against this yesterday. Kevin Stefanski knows that Matt

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Speaker 6: Lafleur's offense is nothing to be trifled with.

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Speaker 10: It's a tremendous offensive attack that coach leafor has gone.

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Speaker 10: Like we talked about the quarterback making great decisions, but

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Speaker 10: they really do, to your point, actually have the ability

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Speaker 10: to throw it to all their guys, whether it's the

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Speaker 10: receivers of tight ends or the running back. So and

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Speaker 10: it comes in a variety of scheme. It can be

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Speaker 10: hard play action shots down the field that they can

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Speaker 10: spread you out very quickly with some of the things

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Speaker 10: they do. They're an excellent motion team. So it's a great,

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Speaker 10: great challenge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you watch the Packers this year, trust your eyes.

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Speaker 1: They are the fastest offense in the league. Everybody can run.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback, they're running back, the tight ends. Craft is

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Speaker 1: going to be a six or seven time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: He is a stud. And all their receivers can run.

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Speaker 1: They have drafted as well as the Rams have drafted

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Speaker 1: on defense, the Packers have arguably done better on offense.

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Speaker 1: They're not missing on anybody.

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Speaker 6: Again, I made a case for the Browns here yesterday,

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Speaker 6: not to win outright, but for this to be closer.

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Speaker 6: I think this number comes a lot down from eight

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Speaker 6: and a half, probably closes around a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Colin.

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Speaker 6: Let's just let's be real here. We like the Packers.

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Speaker 6: Their opener was against the Lions. They smashed them. That

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Speaker 6: was an obvious We love that. Then they had Washington

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Speaker 6: on a short week come into Green Bay. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 6: two playoff teams, but very favorable spots for the Packers,

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Speaker 6: this one with Dallas next week. I think there's some

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Speaker 6: caution here for Jordan Love against Miles Garrett and company.

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Speaker 1: Game. Well, my next story is going to touch on those.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie.

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Speaker 1: I love that Jmack brought this up. You're gonna love this.

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Speaker 1: Jason favorites in the NFL this year of at least

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Speaker 1: four points are twelve and oh on the season. Why, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is something I've talked about for three years on

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Speaker 1: the show. It's the disappearing middle class in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's the disappearing middle class. So in any business, when

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Speaker 1: one thing primarily becomes the thing you have to have

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Speaker 1: or do to succeed. That business becomes haves and have nots,

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Speaker 1: and like in tech, if you don't embrace AI in

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Speaker 1: five years, you're dead. Now everybody's going to obviously, But

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Speaker 1: what the NFL has become to me over the last

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Speaker 1: three years, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but I

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Speaker 1: don't love it. It has become David Stern's NBA. David Stern,

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Speaker 1: because he took over a dying NBA, leaned into stars

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Speaker 1: and market size. You could have two and three and

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Speaker 1: four superstars on one team and if the big markets

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Speaker 1: could afford them, so be it. Adam Silver doesn't like that.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver took over the NBA from David Stern where

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Speaker 1: it was top heavy, and Adam Silver said, I want

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Speaker 1: to make it more even. Well under Adam Silver seven years,

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Speaker 1: seven champs. We can argue which is better. But what

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Speaker 1: the NFL has become is David Stearn's NBA because the

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Speaker 1: only way to win in this league consistently you have

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Speaker 1: to have a great quarterback. Because of safety rules post

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Speaker 1: CTE story and CTE nine hundred million dollar check written,

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Speaker 1: NFL protects quarterbacks as much as they can and they've

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Speaker 1: changed the legislation, the rules of the sport to favor

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. So to me, the halves in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now, you have to have at least a B

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Speaker 1: plus quarterback. The halves are Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City Chargers

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Speaker 1: since when Joe Burrow is healthy, Texans, and Denver. Those

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Speaker 1: are the halves in the AFC and the NFC. It's

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Philly, Washington, San Francisco, Rams, Yes, Brock Perty, Detroit,

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Speaker 1: Tampa in Dallas fifteen teen. Now we can argue about

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, certainly could argue about it. These are the

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Speaker 1: absolute halves. In fact, if you go to the last

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Speaker 1: four seasons in the NFL and look at the last

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Speaker 1: sixteen teams that have made a conference championship, it's only

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Speaker 1: nine different organizations, but it's sixteen teams. Fifteen of sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen of sixteen had a Pro Bowl quarterback, a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that is at some point made a Pro Bowl. The

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Speaker 1: exception is Jimmy Garoppolo, who under Kyle Shanahan, was damn

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Speaker 1: close to a Pro Bowl quarterback. He isn't now, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't before, but he was pretty darn good. He led

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Speaker 1: Mahomes in the fourth quarter, completes one deep ball beats

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Speaker 1: Mahomes probably. So the reality is what you're seeing in

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Speaker 1: the NFL is and this is what's really changed for me.

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Speaker 1: Betting the NFL last year and a half blazing five

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Speaker 1: is hard. Couldn't figure it out last year. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I was always a guy that took underdogs, especially if

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Speaker 1: they had a viable quarterback. Favorites now cover one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite bets. Next week. I like the Ravens over

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Speaker 1: the Lions. They're a home favorite, They're a better team.

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Speaker 1: Jared Gosss not the same outside at night as he

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Speaker 1: is in a dome, and it usually I'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I got Jared Goff, I got value. Say no, I'll

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Speaker 1: probably just take the favorite. I mean, tonight is not

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Speaker 1: a game I would bet because it's a twelve plus spread.

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Speaker 1: I stay away from those games. I would take Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I would just take the big favorite. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a real gap in the league. It's it's very

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Speaker 1: much David Stern's NBA, and I love David Stern's NBA.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver. Some argue it's like the seventies NBA. We

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Speaker 1: have no dynasties. But it's more even when you could

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Speaker 1: win running the football, when you could win with defense

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Speaker 1: and be a playoff team with running the football and defense.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't as you know, it wasn't as exciting, but

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Speaker 1: it was more even. And by the way, you can

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Speaker 1: criticize Jimmy Garoppolo, but under as a Niner quarterback, Fasserrating

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Speaker 1: was ninety nine spe plus, just didn't make a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel top of Next Hour my favorite fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: of the week. So I saw a headline this morning.

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Speaker 1: It got me worked up as I was taking the

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Speaker 1: train in a city with perfect weather this morning. Jmak

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Speaker 1: was driving trudging through the rainstorm the tsunami in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: So here's the headline I read. Caleb Williams was not

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Speaker 1: the problem, and the Bears blowout Laws, and this writer

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Speaker 1: cites a bunch of stats, so you're gonna notice this.

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Speaker 1: Great quarterbacks don't get blown out a lot. And there's

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Speaker 1: free I'm not sure if it's still used, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to mention the people who say this, But

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of broadcasters who say this a lot,

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Speaker 1: and it's just nonsense, and they think they're smart when

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Speaker 1: they say it. Winning is not a quarterback stat. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is. It's funny Mahomes, Montana and Brady always end

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Speaker 1: up in the super Bowl. What a coincidence. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if winning isn't a quarterback stat, then why are these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks have the most wins? Brady, Manning, Breeze, Farv Rogers,

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Speaker 1: La Big Bend. Where's Jay Cutler? I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: see Jay Cutler is not on that. That's interesting, It's

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Speaker 1: all They're all great. It's funny how it works. Like

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Speaker 1: nobody wouldn't deny that in that interesting, the most career

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Speaker 1: quarterback wins all Hall of famers. Nobody would deny being

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Speaker 1: taller and better looking is an advantage in life. Just

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Speaker 1: opens doors. People want to be around you, Like nobody

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Speaker 1: would deny that. There's studies they've looked at and they say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it probably does help. But yet nobody ever thinks about that.

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Speaker 1: Goofy quarterback is not a winning stat or yah, that's

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Speaker 1: not what wins if you have a great quarterback. Three

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Speaker 1: things are true that aren't necessarily with mediocre to bad quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Number One, better coaches and coordinators are willing to move

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Speaker 1: their families across town. Four better quarterbacks. Jim Harbaugh seemed

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Speaker 1: kind of selective, didn't he He was very interested in

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Speaker 1: the Chargers because of their super Bowl winning history. No,

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Speaker 1: because of Justin Herbert. Jesse Minner's like, yeah, go look

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Speaker 1: at the staff for Harball. Very easy. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: didn't go to LA because it's inexpensive, and you get

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Speaker 1: a bigger home or their super Bowl history. Now you

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Speaker 1: get Herbert. So the better the quarterback, the easier it

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Speaker 1: is to assemble a great staff. Second thing, it makes

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Speaker 1: the draft easier. You don't have to for the next

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ever draft in the first round a quarterback. Again,

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Speaker 1: you just find left tackles, edge rushers, weapons, centers, people

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Speaker 1: to support him. Because quarterback is a fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: miss proposition. In the first round, you never have to

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Speaker 1: worry about anything other than get the best player available,

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Speaker 1: not guess whether this quarterback will have the soul, the toughness,

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Speaker 1: the cognitive ability. So it helps you in the draft.

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Speaker 1: It makes drafting easier. And the third thing is stars

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Speaker 1: already in the league want to play with great quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It's funny the Chargers called Keenan Allen you want to

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Speaker 1: come back. They couldn't get it out of the mouth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll come back. I'll leave Chicago and I'll go to

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's funny. Mike Williams came back. Keenan Allen

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Speaker 1: comes back. Jim Harbutt. It's because of Justin Herbert. So

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Speaker 1: this idea that quarterbacks not a winning stat. If you

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback right, it makes everything easier everything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Denver was a mess, even after the first year Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton was there. They get bow nicks and you're watching

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Speaker 1: them like they should be two and oh and all

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Speaker 1: we're doing is complaining they have not played well. They

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Speaker 1: should be two and oh. If not for a nebulous

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Speaker 1: if he call on the field goal, they'd be two

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Speaker 1: and oh, and you'd be like, oh, okay. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you start complaining about stuff when you have the right quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That really is a privilege. You're complaining about your play

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Speaker 1: calling in a win, you're complaining about you know, man,

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Speaker 1: Yeah we had too many penalties. We won, but I

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Speaker 1: mean we had too many penalies. That was Denver against Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: So the reason that Caleb Williams is getting blown out

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Speaker 1: too many three and outs, too many five or six

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Speaker 1: and outs. There's no rhythm. You lose field position when

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Speaker 1: you have a quarterback that can't sustain drives. Your defense

646
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Speaker 1: is on the field longer and it plays worse. Go

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Speaker 1: look at time of possession for bad quarterback, time of

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Speaker 1: possession for many good quarterbacks. Right like, And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying coaches don't matter and environments don't matter. Matt Stafford

650
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Speaker 1: wins a lot more with Sean McVay than he did

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Speaker 1: in Detroit. I'm not saying coaches don't matter, but it's

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Speaker 1: idea that winning is not a quarterback stat Well, then

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Speaker 1: why are all the greatest winning quarterbacks, the winningest quarterbacks

654
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Speaker 1: ever are all Hall of famers. It's just like being

655
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Speaker 1: better looking or taller. It's an advantage. It just opens doors.

656
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: It makes everything easier. You get more opportunities. You almost

657
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: always win with a great quarterback a field position. And

658
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: that's what Bill par sells you to talk about the

659
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: hidden yards in football, that you just get so many

660
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Speaker 1: hidden yards if you can pick up third downs and

661
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: move the chains and win time of possession and over

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: the course of a game in your thirteen possessions. If

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Speaker 1: you are consistently week to week getting better field position,

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Speaker 1: you have easier field goals to make you can use

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Speaker 1: more of your offensive packages. Like so, I mean six

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Speaker 1: of our last president, six of our last seven presidents

667
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: have been like Tall, Like go look at CEOs, Oh

668
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: tall CEOs. It matters quarterback winning. They go together, always have,

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Speaker 1: always will. They do all the things that you can't

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00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: necessarily figure out, and they feel like, I'm not sure

671
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Speaker 1: better coaches apply for jobs with better quarterbacks. That's the

672
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Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of people were interested in

673
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys job with Dak. Jerry chose Brian Schottenheimer, somebody

674
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Speaker 1: he knew, but the Cowboys with Dak, I mean, Vrabel

675
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: would have been interested. Sean Payton at one time would

676
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Speaker 1: have been interested. If the Cowboys had an opening next year,

677
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Speaker 1: regardless of who Jerry Jones would hire, they would have

678
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Speaker 1: people based on Dak's play. They would be like, oh, yeah,

679
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I can score twenty four points a game with Dak,

680
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: I can make I can win playoff games with Dak.

681
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this with the Buffalo Bills. So

682
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Speaker 1: sometimes almost all the time. The reason Lebron Lebron kept

683
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Speaker 1: getting to the Eastern Conference finals in the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 1: A big part of it was Lebron was good, but

685
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Speaker 1: in equal measure, the Eastern Conference was awful. The minute

686
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Speaker 1: Lebron goes over to the West, there are no guarantees

687
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: you're getting to the conference finals. The teams are better.

688
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: Saban dominated a largely dysfunctional SEC. The minute Texas came

689
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: in with Sark and Kirby Smart hit on Georgia. Win

690
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: wins didn't happen very easy, right like he wasn't when

691
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Georgia couldn't get their life together. The Old

692
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Speaker 1: miss didn't have Lane Kiffin for most of his stay

693
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Speaker 1: at Alabama, Texas wasn't in it. Oklahoma as a different conference.

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Speaker 1: Just remember this on the Buffalo Bills. Who's circling the

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Speaker 1: drain right now? In Week three? Miami Jets again, by

696
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Speaker 1: the way, who's circling the drain? In the NFC AFC

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Speaker 1: North Joe Burrow Cincinnati by the way, Green Bay's Division,

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00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota not sure what to do at quarterback? Chicago a mess,

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Speaker 1: Detroit regressed. If you're asking me my three favorites for

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year, Buffalo, Baltimore and Green Bay.

701
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Speaker 1: Why because they're going to eat, get buys or have

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Speaker 1: more home games. Do look at Tom Brady's career. He

703
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Speaker 1: always struggled in Denver. Tom got so many home games

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Speaker 1: largely because Buffalo and the Jets were almost always dysfunctional

705
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: and Miami was sometimes interesting but never great. So it's

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Speaker 1: interesting watching Miami become the team that's really circling the drain.

707
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Speaker 1: That is a big advantage. That's two wins, including tonight

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Speaker 1: for Buffalo. The Jets look like a bit of a circus.

709
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Speaker 1: Justin Fields is hurt and New England's interesting but a

710
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Speaker 1: mile away from being good. So the Joe Burrow interesting,

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Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow injury, and the Miami disaster. They're benefiting

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Speaker 1: two of the three best quarterbacks in their conference, Josh

713
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Speaker 1: Allen and Lamar Jackson. So, and for the record, what

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Speaker 1: have I said about Kansas City? Kansas City would be

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Speaker 1: fine today if they were in the AFC or NFC.

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Speaker 1: South Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. Part of their success.

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Speaker 1: I looked it up this morning. From twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Denver, the Raiders and Chargers. All I

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Speaker 1: had losing records, that was part of it. Home games,

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Speaker 1: buys playing at arrowhead their advantages. So I look at

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Speaker 1: the Packers that Bills, the Ravens, all places that get

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Speaker 1: cold in January and February playoff time, all with great

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in their prime, and all right now in their division.

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Speaker 1: Dysfunction has erupted in the NFC North, the AFC North,

725
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Speaker 1: and with Miami in the AFC East Packers, Bill's Ravens.

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Speaker 1: It matters how good are your rivals or how dysfunctional

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Speaker 1: are them