WEBVTT - Eponymous Foods, Third Serving

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. Listen, Tracy.

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<v Speaker 1>We have really had some downers lately, some murders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not the most fun topics going on. Last week's recording

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<v Speaker 1>session was particularly grim, which is great because this week

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<v Speaker 1>we've kept it pretty late. We both have been promising

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<v Speaker 1>some more fun stuff, which we are delivering on. I

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<v Speaker 1>went marching right back to eponymous food because to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's fun. There

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<v Speaker 1>are weird side streets you can go down. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hits all of my curiosity points, and so far

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<v Speaker 1>I have not discovered a murder involved in any of

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<v Speaker 1>the food. So today we are going to cover a

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<v Speaker 1>super yummy comfort food from Italy and two ishes with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of debate as to their origin. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them is associated with the U. S. East Coast and

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<v Speaker 1>one on the West coast. All of them, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>are delicious. If you think there's nothing quite so delicious

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<v Speaker 1>and comforting as a giant bowl of fettuccini alfredo, I

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<v Speaker 1>sure love it. We'll talk more about that on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not alone. Although if you were to order this

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<v Speaker 1>by name in Italy, people might give you an odd look.

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<v Speaker 1>This dish would normally show up on menus in Italy

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<v Speaker 1>as fettuccini al treplo, the fettuccini with three butters. You

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<v Speaker 1>might see this as fettuccini albero or fettuccini a la crema.

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<v Speaker 1>And the beauty of this one is really as simplicity.

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<v Speaker 1>The story of its origin is known really well. This

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<v Speaker 1>starts with a family with a husband cooking for his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen o eight, Alfredo de la Leo was working

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<v Speaker 1>at the family restaurant that was a little Trittoria and

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<v Speaker 1>Piazza Rossa in Rome, run by his mother Angelina, and

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<v Speaker 1>night was a very big year for de la Leo

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<v Speaker 1>because he and his wife Inez had their first child, Armando.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the story goes, after Armando was born and

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<v Speaker 1>as was very sick, she was quite weak. She had

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<v Speaker 1>no appetite, and Alfredo understandably was very worried about his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>so the restaurant tour tried to make her something that

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<v Speaker 1>would appeal to her palate and stimulate her appetite. And

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<v Speaker 1>give her some energy, maybe a tall order. He made

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl of fettuccini and then added in butter and parmesan,

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<v Speaker 1>and then, according to the Delileo family legend, he prayed

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the patron saints of mothers, which was St. Anne,

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<v Speaker 1>and then presented his wife with this dish and told

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<v Speaker 1>her that if she did not like it, he would

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<v Speaker 1>eat it. He did not get to eat it. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only didn't as love it. She thought that her husband

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<v Speaker 1>should add it to the restaurant's menu, and he did,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus one of the yummiest foods of all time

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<v Speaker 1>was born. So the was surely not the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody had combined pasta, butter, and parmesan. But there

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<v Speaker 1>were some aspects of Alfredo's version that were a little

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<v Speaker 1>different than other Italian dishes that have similar ingredients. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that secret in just a moment, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>some other aspects of his dish that would have separated

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<v Speaker 1>it from those other precursors. Alfredo opened his own restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fourteen in Via della Scrofa, and he simply

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<v Speaker 1>called it Alfredo, and he continued to build on the

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<v Speaker 1>success that he had already achieved and his reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>exceptionally delicious pasta. He also started to get the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of hungry diners from well outside of Rome, as wealthy tourists,

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<v Speaker 1>some very notable started to visit his place. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of travelers from the United States landed in Alfredo's during

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of Europe in the early years of his restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford famously visited Alfredo's restaurant on

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<v Speaker 1>their honeymoon that was in n and they loved it

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<v Speaker 1>so much they reported eight their every single day that

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<v Speaker 1>they were in Rome. Prohibition in the US contributed to

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<v Speaker 1>a bump in tourism in the nineteen twenties as American

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<v Speaker 1>tourists sought out vacation destinations where they could get a

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<v Speaker 1>drink with their meals. In nine seven, Alfredo was knighted

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<v Speaker 1>for the excellence of his beettettini, and an interview Delai

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<v Speaker 1>Leo gave to a journalist at the time, he said

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<v Speaker 1>this was because he always used the very best ingredients

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<v Speaker 1>to make his pasta, even in the most difficult times.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote during the war, he said, I found a way.

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<v Speaker 1>He was not especially secretive about what made his way

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<v Speaker 1>of dressing fettuccini special, saying quote double quantity of butter

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<v Speaker 1>and cheese and well mixed. That is my secret. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so his secret was just more more of the fatty

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<v Speaker 1>things that make it delicious. We'll also talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>he made his noodles, which is a little different too.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo was really really proud of the name that he

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<v Speaker 1>had made for himself and of his dedicated and impressive patrons,

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<v Speaker 1>noting in that interview quote, kings, princes, ministers have eaten here.

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<v Speaker 1>The Crown Prince of Sweden is one of my patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>The journalist conducting the interview, Alice Wrote wrote of his

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<v Speaker 1>table side manner quote, people go to Alfredo's not only

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<v Speaker 1>to eat his delicious fetacchini, but to see him prepare it.

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<v Speaker 1>After it has been cooked, a waiter brings it from

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. Alfredo approaches with a spoon and fork, as

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<v Speaker 1>though advancing to a sacrificial right. He poises fork and

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<v Speaker 1>spoon aloft esthetically, and then begins to mix into the

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<v Speaker 1>fetaccini a generous supply of the best butter and grated

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<v Speaker 1>parmesan cheese. But even beyond disclosing his double the butter

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<v Speaker 1>and cheese secret Alfredo gave Row the entire recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>his fetacchini noodles as well. Here it is quote, Sift

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<v Speaker 1>upon the mixing board a kilo of fine white flour,

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<v Speaker 1>make a hole in the center of the mound of flower,

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<v Speaker 1>and into this breaks seven eggs. Then, with your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>never with a spoon, gradually worked the flour into the

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<v Speaker 1>eggs until no more can be assimilated. Then add a

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<v Speaker 1>tumbler of water and a dash of salt, and gradually

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<v Speaker 1>need the entire mixture into a smooth paste. Work it thin,

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<v Speaker 1>and when all is perfectly smooth, roll it into a

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<v Speaker 1>thin sheet. Then cut the paste in narrow strips a

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<v Speaker 1>third of an inch wide. This is enough for eight

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<v Speaker 1>persons served abundantly, or nine served cocy cosy enough. He

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<v Speaker 1>recommended boiling his homemade noodles for exactly eight minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>leaving them damp instead of draining them dry. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that he used an eighth of a pound of butter

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<v Speaker 1>for each individual serving. That's half a stick of butter,

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<v Speaker 1>and quote an ample sprinkling of parmesan cheese. Finest quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the utmost importance, according to De la Leo, is

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<v Speaker 1>mixing the butter, cheese, and noodles, so every noodle is

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<v Speaker 1>evenly coated. Yeah, for anybody that hasn't made pasta, that

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<v Speaker 1>amount of eggs is a lot. It means that your

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<v Speaker 1>noodles are very, very rich in flavor. And an eighth

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<v Speaker 1>of a pound of butter a half stick of butter

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot to put in one survey. Uh. That

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<v Speaker 1>same year that that rite up appeared again. That was uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in numerous papers because it was picked

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<v Speaker 1>up and syndicated. Alfredo also received a very lavish gift

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<v Speaker 1>from Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford, a solid gold spoon

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<v Speaker 1>and fork set that were modeled after the ones he

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<v Speaker 1>used to toss his fedaccini for guests. On the handle

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<v Speaker 1>of one was engraved to Alfredo, the King of the Noodles,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Pickford July. The other had the exact same inscription,

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<v Speaker 1>but had Fairbanks his name instead of Pickford's, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to the official history of the family restaurant, those words

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<v Speaker 1>were quote read by every famous person who had the

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<v Speaker 1>honor to taste the Mesto fedccini. Mesto sisim means most majestic,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the name of the dish. On the

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<v Speaker 1>menu even today, Lave miss Sissimo fedaccini. Alfredo Alfredo and

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<v Speaker 1>his delicious pasta started getting mentions in international papers that

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<v Speaker 1>drew even more visitors. Before the nineteen twenties were over,

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<v Speaker 1>restaurateur and writer George Rector had included the recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo Delileo's famed dish in his cookbook, The Rector Cookbook.

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<v Speaker 1>All that press, plus the cachet of having movie stars

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<v Speaker 1>tout the dishes as exceptional mint that soon everybody wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to try fetacchini. Alfredo and Delileo definitely leaned into his

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<v Speaker 1>public persona and his growing fame. He really understood that

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<v Speaker 1>showmanship was part of growing his business, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>do an image search for him online, you're likely going

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<v Speaker 1>to pretty quickly find photos of him feigning to feed

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<v Speaker 1>guests his fetacchini by the handful. That was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>part of a stick that he developed as a table

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<v Speaker 1>side show of having your noodles dressed. It looks a

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<v Speaker 1>little squirrely to me to have someone like with a

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<v Speaker 1>fistful of fetacchini's, But even so, it was really always

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<v Speaker 1>always about the food. As he told a reporter quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been more interested in perfect cooking than anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>In ninety three, the tourist trade had evaporated thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, Alfredo decided to retire. He handed the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant off to his son Armando, whose birth catalyzed the

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<v Speaker 1>invention of this famous dish. Armando took on the moniker

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo the Second as the business passed to him. In

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, the Via della scroll for a restaurant was

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<v Speaker 1>sold to two members of the staff. But just a

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<v Speaker 1>few years later, in nineteen fifty, Alfredo the first day

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo the Second had another restaurant, this time called Il

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<v Speaker 1>Vero Alfredo the Real Alfredo, and they opened it in

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<v Speaker 1>Piazza Augusto Rempert. That restaurant is where you can order

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<v Speaker 1>most majestic fettuccini, and it is still there and still

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<v Speaker 1>run by the family. It is currently run by Alfredo

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<v Speaker 1>the first grandson and granddaughter Armando, who goes by Alfredo

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<v Speaker 1>the third, and it is Deli Leo. The Via della

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<v Speaker 1>Scrofa location is also still open. Those two restaurants are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of competitors. You may have noticed the dish, as

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<v Speaker 1>originally made by Alfredo, was really simple, just butter and

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<v Speaker 1>cheese and that's not typically how you would make it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you looked up the recipe today, particularly here in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, most recipes you'll find we'll probably have heavy

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<v Speaker 1>cream in them, but that was never part of the

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<v Speaker 1>original version, and this is simply due to differences in

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<v Speaker 1>ingredient availability. As fedaccini Alfredo caught on in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't quite have that delicious richness that it

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<v Speaker 1>had in Italy. And there were a few reasons for one.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo de la Leo, as we said, made his fedacchini

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<v Speaker 1>from scratch, and his recipe had more egg than most,

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<v Speaker 1>using a hand ground wheat flour, and that gave it

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<v Speaker 1>this layered, deep flavor. Additionally, the butter he was using

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<v Speaker 1>was richer than what would normally be available in most

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<v Speaker 1>North American grocery stores. And of course the cheese. Alfredo

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<v Speaker 1>was using parmesanio reggiano. It's parmesan cheese. But just as

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<v Speaker 1>champagne is a sparkling wine from the Champagne area in France,

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<v Speaker 1>parmegiano reggiano can only come from particular parts of Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>Its ingredients are specific and it must have been aged

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<v Speaker 1>for between one and three years, so to approximate the

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<v Speaker 1>richness of flavor of all of those ingredients. Fans of

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<v Speaker 1>Alfredo's dish outside of Italy added other ingredients, just why

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<v Speaker 1>we have heavy cream usually in American versions. And today

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually pretty simple to acquire Parmesiano riggiano in a

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store in the US. You'll also find garlic on

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<v Speaker 1>the list of ingredients and Alfredo sauce. But that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that Alfredo Dlalio would be really lived about. In ninett

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<v Speaker 1>an article appeared in papers across the US under the

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<v Speaker 1>title cooks in Rome denied garlic is Italy's favorite. This

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<v Speaker 1>quoted several prominent Italian chefs and restaurateurs who were just

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<v Speaker 1>beyond irritated that there was a rumor that Italians ate

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<v Speaker 1>copious amounts of garlic. He insisted that garlic did not

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<v Speaker 1>come within a mile of his signature dish, and of

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<v Speaker 1>the rumor itself, he said, quote, it's a lopsided ragout

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<v Speaker 1>and has to stop. Alfredo de la Leo died of

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<v Speaker 1>a heart attack in ninety nine at the age of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, and in the US National Fertuccini Alfredo Day

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<v Speaker 1>is celebrated on February seven. We are going to move

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<v Speaker 1>on to a dish that's often associated with brunch, but

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<v Speaker 1>before we do that, we'll have a minute and pause

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<v Speaker 1>for a sponsor break. The next epon hymous food we're

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<v Speaker 1>covering is a little tricky because it's not clear exactly

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<v Speaker 1>for whom it is named, although there are many contenders.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can tell you for certain that eggs Benedict

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<v Speaker 1>is not named for Benedict Arnold, even though that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty common misconception that people make. Although there

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<v Speaker 1>are many many variations on this dish, the base recipe

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<v Speaker 1>for eggs Benedict calls for Canadian bacon and poached eggs

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on top of the two split halves of an

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<v Speaker 1>English muffin, with a generous drizzle of hollandaise sauce to

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<v Speaker 1>top that all off. So before we get into the

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<v Speaker 1>debates over who eggs Benedict is named for, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>first about hollandaise, just to get that out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Hollandaise sauce, or a sort of proto version of it,

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<v Speaker 1>dates back at least to the mid seventeenth century. In

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<v Speaker 1>the cookbook Li Cuisinier Francois Francois Pierre de la Verne

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<v Speaker 1>gives the basic recipe, although his lax lemon juice. In

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<v Speaker 1>a recipe for asparagus in a sweet sauce, he writes,

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<v Speaker 1>make a sauce with very fresh butter, a little vinegar, salt, nutmeg,

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<v Speaker 1>and an egg yolk to thicken the sauce, being careful

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<v Speaker 1>that that doesn't turn as an aside. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>the Terence Scully translation of that cookbook. There are others

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<v Speaker 1>that may have slightly different wording because the translation is

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<v Speaker 1>just a little different. Uh Today, a hollandaise would include

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<v Speaker 1>lemon juice and perhaps even cayenne pepper, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>probably around even before that. That name. Hollandaise means Dutch sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's believed by some to have traveled to France

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<v Speaker 1>via Hugueno who were returning to their home country after

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<v Speaker 1>having been exiled. There's a difference of opinion on that

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<v Speaker 1>last point, though. The sauce is sometimes attributed to Normandy

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<v Speaker 1>as the place of origin and to the town Isigny specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>The town is known for its butter, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>find the same recipe listed in some places as Sauce

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<v Speaker 1>isign Yee. It became known as Hollandaise thanks to prior

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<v Speaker 1>podcast subject august Escoffier, who listed it in his book

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<v Speaker 1>as the fifth mother sauce, although his predecessor and another

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<v Speaker 1>podcast subject, Marie Antoine Karem, had also used it and

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<v Speaker 1>called it that Karem did not listed as a mother sauce.

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<v Speaker 1>One possible reason for the change in name to Hollandaise

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<v Speaker 1>sauce may have been as simple as the change of

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<v Speaker 1>butter sauce from using butter that was made and is

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<v Speaker 1>an yee to butter that was made in Hollo and

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<v Speaker 1>so getting back to eggs Benedict. One claim to the

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<v Speaker 1>name origin of the dish is stockbroker Lemuel Benedict. Benedict

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<v Speaker 1>was successful and a ladies man, and a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a dandy when it came to his appearance. He was

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<v Speaker 1>not a man who buried himself in work and laid

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<v Speaker 1>low in his downtime. He was from a wealthy and

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<v Speaker 1>conservative family, a family which did not appreciate the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that lem was kind of a New York party person,

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<v Speaker 1>very outgoing with the very flamboyant style. If you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen photos of wealthy folks out in the cold wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a raccoon skin coat limb was one of those. He

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<v Speaker 1>also allegedly carried a cane that had a flask built

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<v Speaker 1>into it, so no surprise based on that description, Lemuel

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<v Speaker 1>Benedict had a reputation for a fun waite. Staff in

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurants that he frequented loved him because he tipped

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<v Speaker 1>really generously. He was seen about town with a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of beautiful dates, and sometimes all of that party and

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<v Speaker 1>caught up to him in the form of an epic hangover.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Lemue Little Benedict version of the Eggs

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<v Speaker 1>Benedict origin story, one morning in he sat down for

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast at the Waldorf Hotel, and he was feeling the

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<v Speaker 1>previous night's indulgence, and so he ordered a variety of

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast items, buttered toast, two poached eggs, and some bacon,

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<v Speaker 1>and also a picture of hollandaise sauce. I've paused because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking about how if I had a hangover,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not at all what would help me. Once

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuel had been brought his order, he said to have

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<v Speaker 1>assembled the items into two stacks and then poured the

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<v Speaker 1>sauce over them. So, according to this tale, he invented

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<v Speaker 1>this himself at his table. When Oscar Stirky, the major

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<v Speaker 1>d of the hotel, saw what the stockbroker had put together,

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<v Speaker 1>he duplicated that in the kitchen and found it to

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<v Speaker 1>be delightful, so subbing out an English muffin instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the toast, and Canadian bacon or ham instead of bacon

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<v Speaker 1>that went on to the menu. That version of the

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<v Speaker 1>origin story was repeated by The New Yorker on December eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two, in an article written by Thomas Dormus and

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Maloney that was simply titled Benedict. At that point,

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuel Benedict was still alive. He had married an opera

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<v Speaker 1>singer named Carrie Bridewell in nineteen o eight. He had

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<v Speaker 1>known all manner of famous and important people, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to the New Yorker quote, Benedict's has been a full

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<v Speaker 1>and happy life. He gave an interview for it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he died the year after that article came out

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<v Speaker 1>in three at the age of seventy six. He apparently

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<v Speaker 1>never transitioned over to the English muffin version of eggs Benedict.

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<v Speaker 1>He always preferred toast, and in that article about him

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<v Speaker 1>in the New Yorker. He gave the quote English muffins

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<v Speaker 1>are unpalatable, no matter how much they are toasted or

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<v Speaker 1>how they are served. Disagree. Uh. There is of course

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<v Speaker 1>a different story to how this dish got its name.

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<v Speaker 1>In article ran in Bonapaty about the dish, and in

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<v Speaker 1>that story there's a couple Mr and Mrs La gram Benedict,

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<v Speaker 1>for whom the dish is allegedly named. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>this was invented at Delmonico's. That's a restaurant Lemuel was

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<v Speaker 1>said to have visited frequently. But this attribution actually predates

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<v Speaker 1>the Lemuel Benedict story by about thirty years, and this

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<v Speaker 1>version is one which Delmonico's continues to assert is true.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Delmonico's head cheft, Bill Olivia told her reporter quote,

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<v Speaker 1>what I know is simply that Mr and Mrs La

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Benedict came all the time. They had eaten everything

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<v Speaker 1>on the menu, and they were tired of the menu,

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<v Speaker 1>and they asked the brothers to create something new. In

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<v Speaker 1>this version of the story, the chef at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Ranhofer, conferred with the brothers who owned the restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>and they all came up with this dish. So rand

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffer had published a cookbook in titled The Epicure in

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<v Speaker 1>this had an eggs Benedict recipe in it, although it

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<v Speaker 1>was called eggs Alla Benedict. That recipe reads quote cuts

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<v Speaker 1>some muffins and halves cross wise, toast them without allowing

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<v Speaker 1>to brown. Then place a round of cooked ham an

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<v Speaker 1>eighth of an inch thick and of the same diameter

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<v Speaker 1>as the muffins on each half heat in a moderate oven,

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<v Speaker 1>and put a poached egg on each toast to cover

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<v Speaker 1>the whole with hollandaise sauce. Yeah, and that the spelling

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<v Speaker 1>of that, in case she couldn't hear, is different. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not Benedict with a T on the end, but Benedict

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<v Speaker 1>d I c K is the end of the name.

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<v Speaker 1>So that only muddles the story a bit more. For

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, a very long time, Lemuel Benedict's family,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily his cousin's son, Jack Benedict, really advocated for Lemuel

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<v Speaker 1>to be recognized as the originator of the dish. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Benedict also operated a restaurant in Colorado for a while

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<v Speaker 1>called LC Benedict Restaurant in Tavern and he offered both

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuel's version of the dish with bacon and toast and

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar's version with ham in an English FM. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>a tidbit for a little extra intrigue. Those two stories

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<v Speaker 1>share more DNA than it initially appears. Oscar Sharkey worked

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<v Speaker 1>at Delmonico's as a waiter before moving on to the Waldorf,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's believed that he and Charles Ranhoff are worked

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<v Speaker 1>together for at least some period of time, So it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been a recipe that he already knew or

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<v Speaker 1>that he remembered once he saw Lemuel Benedict put something

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<v Speaker 1>similar together. We'll never really knew. Sharkey, who may be

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of a future episode, never confirmed or denied

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<v Speaker 1>the Lemuel version of the story during his lifetime. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that four year is the key one where there's both

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<v Speaker 1>the Delmonico's recipe book and the invention at the Waldorf.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So it's a little fuzzy. There is, though, also

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<v Speaker 1>a third and much older possible attribution of the name.

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<v Speaker 1>Pietro Orsini, better known as Pope Benedict the thirteen was

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<v Speaker 1>said to have been put on a dietary regiment of

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<v Speaker 1>toast and eggs because of chronic digestive issues, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is said to have added a lemon based sauce to

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<v Speaker 1>the otherwise rather boring dish. This version, devised during the

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<v Speaker 1>time that Benedict the thirteen was head of the Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>Church that was from seventeen thirty, is of course lacking

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<v Speaker 1>the delicious bacon or ham component, and was like Lemuels

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<v Speaker 1>on toast instead of English muffins. This was probably not

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<v Speaker 1>called eggs Benedict either, and sodent only. The word brunch

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<v Speaker 1>first appeared in print in eight and a Hunter's Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>article in which author Guy Berenger made a case for

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<v Speaker 1>a meal that offered an alternative to the usual traditions

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<v Speaker 1>of early breakfasts or heavy Sunday dinners. Advocated that brunch

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<v Speaker 1>was quote cheerful, sociable, and inciting. It is talk compelling.

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<v Speaker 1>It puts you in a good temper. It makes you

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<v Speaker 1>satisfied with yourself and your fellow beings. It sweeps away

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<v Speaker 1>the worries and cobwebs of the week. This article was

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<v Speaker 1>printed with a ps that read quote beer and whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>are admitted as substitutes for tea and coffee. Berenger might

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<v Speaker 1>be shocked at just how heavy brunch menus have become

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. But the timing of this article and

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<v Speaker 1>the timing of the Lemuel Benedict's story being so close

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<v Speaker 1>together might explain how the egg dish became such a

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<v Speaker 1>brunch standard. April sixt is incidentally Eggs Benedict Day. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna market on my calendar, and you better believe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making some. You can have it all woo, and I will.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we will cover another eponymous food.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a salad and involves some seafood, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that right after we pause to hear from the sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>To keep stuff you missed in history class. Going next

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<v Speaker 1>up is another food with a hotly contested origin story,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is crab louis. You might see it spelled

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<v Speaker 1>like Louis with an S or Louie with an E,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is the same dish with either spelling, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is pretty much always pronounced crab louie. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>with a bed of iceberg lettuce, and on top of

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<v Speaker 1>that is usually a combination of tomato, hard boiled eggs, asparagus,

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<v Speaker 1>and crab. Some people also like to have lemon wedges,

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<v Speaker 1>but the crab is dressed in Louie dressing, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is where the magic happens. One very popular but now

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<v Speaker 1>defunct San Francisco restaurant, so Laria's Grill described the crab

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<v Speaker 1>and dressing preparation this way, quote take meat of crab

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<v Speaker 1>in large piece, and dress with the following one third mayonnaise,

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds chili sauce, small quantity chopped English chow chow,

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<v Speaker 1>a little Worcester sauce, and minced tarragon, shallots and sweet parsley,

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<v Speaker 1>season with salt and pepper, or keep on ice chow

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<v Speaker 1>chow if you don't know, that's a pickled relish. It

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<v Speaker 1>is fairly certain that Crab Louis popped up on the

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast, because it is his storyally been made with

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<v Speaker 1>Dungeoness crab, which comes from the waters off the west

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<v Speaker 1>coast of North America, but exactly where it started depends

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<v Speaker 1>on whose story you believe. There are several, although these

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<v Speaker 1>ones mostly lack the level of details some of our

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<v Speaker 1>other food origin stories include. So the first version we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna look at is the Washington State origin. There are

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<v Speaker 1>two versions set there. One is pretty easily disproven with

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<v Speaker 1>a quick fact check so that one claims that crab

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<v Speaker 1>Louis existed in Seattle before nineteen o four. That data

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<v Speaker 1>is used in a story that Enrico Caruso, the Operatic Tenor,

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<v Speaker 1>visited Seattle on tour that year and eight at the

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Hotel. Sometimes this is told with the Olympic Club

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<v Speaker 1>as the location. In this story, he was served crab

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<v Speaker 1>Louis and then immediately was enamored of it. He said

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<v Speaker 1>to have kept ordering more and more of it until

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen ran out of ingredients. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that Crusoe was not in Seattle in nineteen o four,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually ever performed there. This version, though, doesn't offer

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<v Speaker 1>any clues as to where the name would have come from.

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<v Speaker 1>The second Washington State version places crab Louie's origin about

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred seventy miles east of Seattle in Spokane, Washington. There,

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<v Speaker 1>the Davenport Hotel opened in nineteen fourteen, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>crab Louis on the menu when it opened. That was

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<v Speaker 1>named for the owner, Llewellyn Louis Davenport, who moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the Spokane Falls area from San Francisco in eighteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The Davenport, incidentally, is also still around, although it is

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<v Speaker 1>now the Historic Davenport and it's part of a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>hotel group, and they still serve crab Louis and they

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<v Speaker 1>keep their dressing recipe a secret to this day. San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco is a fairly serious claim to the invention of

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<v Speaker 1>this crab salad with pink dressing. A menu from a

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant called Burge Frank's Old Poodle Dog from nineteen o

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<v Speaker 1>eight had crab leg A Lla Louie on the menu.

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<v Speaker 1>It got the name from the chef Fluis Coutard, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Coutart had actually died before the restaurant opened, so

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<v Speaker 1>this was probably named in honor of him to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the public associating his established name on the San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>food scene with this new eatery. But calling the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Poodle Dog Knew is not entirely accurate. So the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Poodle Dog was a sort of phoenix from the Ashes story.

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<v Speaker 1>There had been a Poodle Dog restaurant before the earthquake

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<v Speaker 1>and fires of nineteen o six, which we have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about on the show. Before. Burget Frank's Old Poodle Dog

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<v Speaker 1>was a joint venture of several restauranturs who had lost

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<v Speaker 1>their businesses in the fire. Louis Quittard had made a

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<v Speaker 1>name for himself as the head chef at Frank's Rotisserie,

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<v Speaker 1>the other burned restaurants that had been reborn in this

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<v Speaker 1>collaborative effort where the Bourget and the Poodle Dog. Another

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco restaurant also laid claim to the invention of

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<v Speaker 1>crab Louis, and that was so Lari's grill. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that we mentioned at the beginning of this segment.

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<v Speaker 1>The year nine teen ten is sometimes mentioned here, but

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<v Speaker 1>the first time we can prove it was served there

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<v Speaker 1>was in nineteen fourteen, regardless though that link to Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Guitard would have been already established at that point. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so that seems a little late. Uh. Food historian Erica J. Peters,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote the book San Francisco, a Food History, gave

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<v Speaker 1>a talk at the San Francisco Public Library and Feen

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<v Speaker 1>about the origins of crab Louis. You can actually find

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<v Speaker 1>that online. She talked about Louis Coutard and the belief

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<v Speaker 1>that he had actually started using chili sauce with creamy

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<v Speaker 1>mayonnaise to dress crab way back at Frank's rotisserie, even

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<v Speaker 1>before the earthquake and fires, although that dish was not

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<v Speaker 1>yet named for him. Then. In nineteen nineteen, another San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco chef, Victor Herzler, wrote the Hotel St. Francis Cookbook

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<v Speaker 1>in that he included a variation on crab Louis, which

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<v Speaker 1>he called crab a la Louise. His recipe directs cooks

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<v Speaker 1>to quote use small fancy fish plates or salad plates

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<v Speaker 1>lay on each plates. Slices of the white hearts of

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<v Speaker 1>firm heads of lettuce lay on top. Some canned Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>pimentos using the brilliant red variety, which is sweet. On

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<v Speaker 1>top of this placed the crab meat, taking care not

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<v Speaker 1>to break it too small. Overall poor French dressing made

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<v Speaker 1>with tarragon vinegar well seasoned with freshly ground pepper. That

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<v Speaker 1>version obviously switches out chili sauce for pimentos, which is

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<v Speaker 1>probably why Hurzler shifted the name to Louise instead of Louis.

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<v Speaker 1>An earlier variation, published in the pan Pacific Cookbook in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifteen, to coincide with the Panama Pacific International Exposition,

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<v Speaker 1>made another switch out. That one calls for ketchup instead

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<v Speaker 1>of chili sauce. There's another contender here, though, that is Portland, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>In Lve, the Portland Council of Jewish Women's Neighborhood cookbook

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<v Speaker 1>featured a recipe for crab Louis. This one just had lettuce,

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<v Speaker 1>hard boiled eggs and crab meat, and the Louis dressing

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<v Speaker 1>is a little of frint. That is three tablespoons of oil,

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<v Speaker 1>one tablespoon of vinegar, half a tablespoon of ketchup, two

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<v Speaker 1>tea spoons of Worcestershire sauce, paprika salt, and a tad

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<v Speaker 1>of English mustard. Fame chef and cookbook author James Beard

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the dish probably wasn't invented in Portland, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was at its finest in Portland at a restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>called The Bohemian that he frequented, and he included this

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<v Speaker 1>dish in his cookbook Or Derves and Kind of Bays,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as subsequent books, making little tweaks to the

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<v Speaker 1>recipe each time. So the earliest written evidence for crab

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<v Speaker 1>Louie's origin does indeed seem to be San Francisco. In

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<v Speaker 1>the nod to Louis guitar, but the dish spread and

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<v Speaker 1>popularity really quickly in the early nineteen hundreds. How he

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<v Speaker 1>found a nineteen fifteen newspaper ad for a Thanksgiving feast

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<v Speaker 1>in Bakersfield, California, almost three hundred miles south of San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>which featured Crab Louis Is one of its offerings. So

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<v Speaker 1>by that time that was well known enough to he

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<v Speaker 1>considered a draw for holiday customers that was incidentally at

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<v Speaker 1>the St. Francis Cafe, different apparently from the Hotel St.

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<v Speaker 1>Francis in San Francisco, though the proprietor was named Louis Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many Louis. There are also some theories that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see that it was actually named for Louis the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteenth because of his exceptional love of food, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any evidence that it actually exists in them

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<v Speaker 1>or that anybody named it specifically after him. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not find any sort of international or national day that's

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<v Speaker 1>Crab Louis Day, but that seems like a horrible oversight

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<v Speaker 1>on on the world's first. Every day is Crab Louis Day. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I love talking about food. I have so many things

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about in the behind the scenes on this one,

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<v Speaker 1>including an idea I had while we were reading. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we do that, I'm gonna do a listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is from our listeners, Zach, who writes high

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<v Speaker 1>there and Happy New Year. I loved y'all's recent episode

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<v Speaker 1>about snowflake photography. While listening to it, I remembered an

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<v Speaker 1>odd book of water crystal photos on my art shelf,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't recall if it was by Bentley or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Then when I went to have a look, it was

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<v Speaker 1>so much weirder than I remembered that I've felt I

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<v Speaker 1>had to share it with you. These are photos taken

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<v Speaker 1>of individual water crystals formed after being exposed to various

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<v Speaker 1>stimuli such as music, semi plausible and abstract concepts such

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<v Speaker 1>as beauty, truth, et cetera. Somehow, I think this whole

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<v Speaker 1>concept fits rather nicely into Bentley's worldview. I can almost

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<v Speaker 1>imagine him writing about this project in a scientific magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm attaching a few pictures for your enjoyment. Also one

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<v Speaker 1>of my cats, Johnny, is seventeen and an operatic countertenor,

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<v Speaker 1>among many other professions. Here he is reading Sherlock Holme

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<v Speaker 1>stories there's another cat, Ruby and intrepid tripod Tabby. She

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<v Speaker 1>does not like to have her picture taken. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>y'all are having a lovely holiday season and that two

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<v Speaker 1>starts off with ease. Thanks for keeping the podcast going, Zach,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much because one adorable kiddies, but too,

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<v Speaker 1>This is very cool and I think you're right. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Bentley would be delighted as heck over these strangely

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<v Speaker 1>stimulated ice crisp um. It kind of reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>the experiment that you we have all probably seen pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of online at various points where spiders were given various

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<v Speaker 1>different um drugs or stimulants and then they did their webs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that, except it's ice. Uh, there's no actual

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<v Speaker 1>animal involved of any kind. But it's very fascinating. If

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