1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: today's best minds and oracles. Larry Ellison surpasses Elon Musk 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: as the world's richest person. Heartwarming. We have such a 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: great show for you today. MSNBC's own Laurence O'Donnell stops 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: by to talk to us about Trump's allies trying to 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: cope with Trump's obvious ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Then we'll 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: talk to former AHHS Secretary Javier Visserah about the dangers 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: of his former office being turned into a fever swamp 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: up conspiracies. But first, the stories the media is missing. 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: Mai. 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: As we're taping this, we have news that we still 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: do not know the outcome of that is very, very disturbing. 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: That Turning Point USA's head Charlie Kirk, has been shot 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: in Utah and is in critical condition. Our hearts obviously 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: go out to his family. And this is really really disturbing, 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: disturbing stuff. 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: Let me just say that violence is always bad, never good, 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: never ever ever ever ever good. No one should ever 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: engage in any violence for any reason. It's not a 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: solution to anything, and it doesn't matter who is being 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: targeted at left, right, center. Violence is never good, and 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, this is so bad. This is so bad. 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: This is so bad because even if you don't agree 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: with Charlie Kirk, he is a human being with children 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: and parents, and we don't do that to other human beings. 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: But more than that, it's bad because there will be 28 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: consequences of this that we can't yet put our fingers on. 29 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: And so as much as this is terrible, just in 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: the face of it, because this is never okay, and 31 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: because he has these children who will now you know, 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: we don't know what's happened, but it's a trauma for 33 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the entire family. Even if he survives, which we all 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: pray he does, it is just absolutely not okay. And 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, political violence but gets more political violence. So 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: this is terrible. Our prayers are with his family, his wife, 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: his children, his siblings, his parents. This is just this 38 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: is just a horrendous, horrendous thing, and all of us, 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: you know, you cannot agree with someone and still desperately 40 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: want them to be okay, And that is how I 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: feel right now, is that it will be better for 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: everyone on this planet if Charlie Kirk is better and 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: comes out of this okay, and that we never ever 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: ever see political violence as a solution to anything ever. Again. Look, 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: things get heated, but at the end of the day, 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: violence is never, ever, ever ever the answer. 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: This is really, really, really awful, and I hope for 48 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: the best for his family Somali. Of course, just as 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: Kavanaugh claimed that Americans could sue over encounters with ice, 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: and people are very bad about this. 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, it's the way America should be. We are 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: a country filled with lawyers and lawsuits, and you know what, 53 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh is right, if somebody hurts you, you should be 54 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: able to sue them. So today I'm going to go 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: along with my buddy justice by Kavanaugh and say good 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: for him. You know, if somebody hurts you, you should 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: be able to sue them. That is the American way. Bravo, Brett. 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: You are correct well. 59 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: Coming out of the RNC last year, a lot of 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: people felt like a lot of the rhetoric was almost 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: like that police would have impunity to just do whatever 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: they wanted. So this is one of those rare signs 63 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: where the court is comforting me and patting me on 64 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: my little head and saying, don't worry, little buddy, let's. 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: Make sure that lawyers make money. 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: Court reform be damped. 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Here was what is dad court reform? So there is 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: money to be made in the law, and for that 69 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for the Supreme Court. Lawyers, lawyers, 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: more lawyers. 71 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: So by just one in four Americans believe the Trump 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: administration vaccine shifts are based on science. According to a 73 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: Reuter's ibsassible, that seems real, real, beat. 74 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: It seems too high that twenty five percent of all 75 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: people think that what's happening in our federal government is 76 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: based on science. It ain't based on science, baby. 77 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: Can I give you a counter argument? 78 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: I always go back to the twenty two percent that 79 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: still thought George W. Bush was doing a great job 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: by the end of his term. That always just sticks 81 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: with me that this is somewhere near rock bottom. 82 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: Look like this is so bad. I want to talk 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: about why this anti vax stuff is so bad, because 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: what we're doing here is like it has taken decades 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: and decades to get people in America to understand that 86 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: science staves lives. And what has happened since COVID is 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: that that the exact opposite has been drilled into a 88 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: group of people from the right in such a destructive 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: way that like, it's hard to put the genie back 90 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: in the bottle here, and I'm not sure we actually can. 91 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: And this is going to be really, really bad, and 92 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: it's going to We're going to see a lot of 93 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: really just bad effects from this. And you know, we 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: talked to the head of HSS today, the Health and 95 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Human Services HHS, the former head under Biden, secretary of 96 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Bisera and secretary of Bissara, said that it was just 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: that we're going to see more people get sick, We're 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: going to see more viruses, and then there's this wild card, 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: a virus mutation. And when these viruses, like you know, 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: a virus like chicken pox or chicken pox not an example, 101 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: measles almost eradicated, so it wasn't going around, but now 102 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: measles is going around. So what happens, just like with COVID, 103 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: is that measles will then change, It will grow, it 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: will get better and better at being in different hosts 105 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: and getting people sicker, and it'll get more contagious and 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: more virulent, and we're going to have new strains of measles, 107 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: and just like with all sorts of other stuff, we're 108 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: opening the door to like a seemingly catastrophic pandemic. If 109 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: some people don't get vaccinated, it means that the rest 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: of us can get sicker, believe it or not, even 111 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: though the rest of us get vaccinated. So it's really bad. Also, 112 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: there are these insurance problems, you know, where people are 113 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: not going to have their vaccines paid for by insurance. 114 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: So this is all super bad. We're going to get 115 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: less healthy. And by the way, there's a very high, 116 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: non zero chance we see American life expectancy go down again. 117 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: That sounds about right. 118 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Laurence O'Donnell is the host of MSNBC's Lawrence o'donald's show. 119 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: Welcome Lawrence to Fast Politics. 120 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. This is the earliest I've been 121 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: on a video camera, and well, I guess since the 122 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: last time I did Morning Joe. But there, of course 123 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 4: there that comes with several pounds of makeup, so I 124 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: feel protected there when that happens. 125 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you one of the things 126 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: that I thought was incredible this morning, which I'm very 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: curious to know your thoughts on. I was looking at 128 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the It was actually in the morning, I went to 129 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: Morning Joe, and before I go I listened to these 130 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: two very obnoxious politics sort of B to B podcasts, 131 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and then I listened to all of the Washington Post 132 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: because it's very ad it's basically all Ai narrated. So 133 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: as I was listening to it on my way, I 134 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: looked at the homepage and it had Israel striking Qatar 135 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: or trying to strike the negotiators and the peace talk, 136 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: and then it had Russia sending drones to Poland, and 137 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I thought Donald Trump was going 138 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: to end for all foreign wars. 139 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, this is funny because I was just 140 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: literally minutes ago I was thinking this that because of 141 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: exactly what you just said that it turns out no 142 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: one is afraid of Donald Trump. No one, you know, 143 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: no one out there in the world is afraid of 144 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And his whole sales pitch is you know, 145 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: I'm such a tough guy, and I'm an international tough guy, 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: and Putin will bend to my will on the first day. 147 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: On day one. Okay, so day one was when Putin 148 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: was supposed to just do whatever Donald Trump said, which Oh, 149 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 4: by the way, was Vladimir I want you to win 150 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: the war? How can I help you win the war 151 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: by abandoning Zelenski? And even with that willingness to go 152 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: all the way to the Putin side, nothing could happen 153 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: because even that wasn't enough for Vladimir Putin. 154 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 5: And and and then you see, you know what Benjamin Nenna, 155 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: who's willing to do certainly knowing that the Trump administration 156 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 5: would oppose it. 157 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 4: And so the way Netneou decides to do that is 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: apparently according to the news accounts so far, who knows 159 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: that this is true? But well, we just won't tell him, 160 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: you know, we we just won't tell him. We'll do it, 161 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: and then Trump will have to deal with it after 162 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: the fact. And because because Trump's a moron, uh, you know, 163 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: he'll he'll deal with it moronically. And and that's that's 164 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: your guarantee. Like, that's your guarantee. You know, if you're 165 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 4: Nah's nothing to worry about. He's a moron, so it 166 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: won't matter. Nothing matters with Trump. There is there there 167 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: are no gravitational forces and it and there are no consequences. 168 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 4: And this is what has changed so dramatically in American 169 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: government and now extending out into American life. The notion 170 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: that there are no consequences and if Trump says X, 171 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: and then why happens? There will be a consequence from Trump. No, 172 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: there won't, No, there won't. Or you know, if Trump 173 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 4: breaks the law, there will be a consequence. No, there won't. 174 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 6: You don't. 175 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: So you know, and it goes right down the road, 176 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: you know, And then this story. You know, if Jeffrey 177 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: Epstein gets arrested for you know, child trafficking and raping children, 178 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 4: that'll be the end of the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. 179 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: And the answer is, no, it won't. Jp Morgan's gonna 180 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: hang in there because he only got arrested once, and 181 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: he only got convicted in Florida, and he only got 182 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 4: jail time where he didn't have to actually spend the 183 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: day at jail. He could go to his office and 184 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: continue to rape children and then just sleep at the 185 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 4: jail facility. I mean, that's not a world of concert quins. 186 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 4: And so you know, you've got an entire you know 187 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 4: generation coming up now in high school, you know, and 188 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: junior high school, high school, college who've lived through a decade, 189 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: you know, over a ten year period now of no consequence, 190 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: you know, I you know, Trump can say, you know, 191 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: John McCain was a failure, you know, in Vietnam because 192 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 4: he got captured, and there's no consequence to that at all. 193 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 4: And we all thought, I thought, you know, that's the 194 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: end of the Trump campaign, you know, twenty fifteen where 195 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 4: he said that about John McCain. By anyone's definition, you know, 196 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 4: someone who behaved heroically in war, that okay. In American politics, 197 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 4: there's a very big consequence for that. And the consequence 198 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: is your political career is over right, And so you 199 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 4: know this, imagine you know, being twenty five now, right, 200 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: you from age fifteen have been exposed to a constant 201 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: flow of no consequence with a with a parental structure 202 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: one hopes that's trying to impress you with the notion 203 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: of consequence, and with an educational structure that is trying 204 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: to impress you with the notion of consequence. If you 205 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: don't do your homework, you won't do well, you know, 206 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 4: in your future pursuits in life because of the following 207 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 4: sequences of consequence. Boy, I'd have a tough time if 208 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 4: I were in the child rearing business now or the 209 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: or the educational business. Now trying to impress on the 210 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: entering generation of voters that they live in a world 211 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: of consequence. 212 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: With Biden world. He would struggle so much because it 213 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: felt as if Netnaho did not, would not cleave, would 214 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: not you know, Biden would say you can't do this, 215 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: and nen Yaho would do it, and you there was 216 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: a feeling that there was just enough, he had enough 217 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: political capital in America so that he could do stuff 218 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: that no other country could. Now Trump is aligned with 219 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: him as possible, and I mean, I don't know how 220 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: Trump continues to be a strong to appear even as 221 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: a strong man to the MAGA base while being so 222 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: humiliated by Nan Yahoo. 223 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: You know, Justice Sonya Somoyer said something very important on 224 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 4: that very important public debate form the view I personally 225 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 4: love when the venues who were not created to bring 226 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: new wisdom actually do deliver it. I mean, one of 227 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 4: my favorite moments of I think my high school years 228 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: occurred on The MERV Griffin Show. And this is a 229 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: slight diversion. 230 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: I suppose IRV was a friend of my mom, so 231 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure. 232 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 4: And by the way, kids look up the MERV Griffin show. 233 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: It was one of those Tonight Show style shows, but 234 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: it was really the most frivolous of them all and 235 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 4: kind of goofy with the goofiest set of guests, and 236 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: therefore or it had a possible chemistry that was really unpredictable. 237 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 4: But Carol O'Connor was on at the beginning of the 238 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 4: second season of All in the Family, and Carol O'Connor 239 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: Archie Bunker was the biggest TV star on planet Earth. 240 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 4: That show exploded in its first year. 241 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 6: It was gigantic. 242 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: So Carol O'Connor is telling MERV MERV Griffin, who is 243 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: Irish Carol O'Connor, who is Irish American, that Carol O'Connor 244 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 4: has spent the summer, the hiatus of his series, at 245 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: the Abbey Theater in Dublin doing a play, which is 246 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 4: where Carol O'Connor got a lot of his early training 247 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: as a young American actor in Dublin. And so MERV 248 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: Griffin says, Oh, it must have been the return of 249 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 4: the conquering hero. They must have been so excited for you. 250 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: It just must have been so incredible, And Carol O'Connor says, 251 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: IRV the Irish would always prefer you to come back 252 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: of failure. And in one sentence, my entire culture was 253 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: explained to me. I suddenly understood everything that surrounded me, 254 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: from little league, you know, to high school, to college 255 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: and beyond. It was like, oh, thank you, thank you, 256 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: Carol O'Connor, I get it. And so, you know, the 257 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 4: last place on Earth I expected to learn the single 258 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: most important thing that I hadn't yet learned and put 259 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 4: into words about my culture was right there. On the 260 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: murv Griffin Show Anyway, yesterday, Sonya Silamayor on the View 261 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: talked about the responsibility that voters have to educate themselves, 262 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: and she used the word educate. She talked about, you know, 263 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: read my descent, read the opinions that I'm dissenting again, 264 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 4: educate yourself. And she did not say educate yourself as 265 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: a voter. She left out the word voter, but we 266 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: can all insert that word there. And when you hear 267 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: what she says, you realize she's saying something hugely important 268 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: that the American political news media completely ignores, and that 269 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: is the simple fact that voters do not do that. 270 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: And she said very clearly there, it's your responsibility and 271 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 4: the founders thought it was your responsibility to do that. 272 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: They thought you would do that, and it's going to 273 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: be available to you, and you know, you can go 274 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: to the website now and read it all. And so 275 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: you have this country of completely uneducated voters, by which 276 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 4: I mean they are uneducated about what they are voting about. 277 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: And then we ask why do they think X, or 278 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: why do they think why? Or why do they think 279 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: Trump is tough? Or why do they think whatever it 280 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 4: is they think, And it's like it's like, you know, 281 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: standing there, you know, in a in a high school 282 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: math class and asking why the kindergarten students don't understand this? 283 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: You know, it's like, well, you know, they don't have 284 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: the capacity. And so it's very very clear, you know 285 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 4: that voters across the board don't do anything close to 286 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: the share of homework that was expected of them in 287 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 4: the creation of this kind of democracy, and that Sonya 288 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 4: so myr wisely said, you know, they should do. And 289 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 4: so you know, the explaining the Trump voter and the 290 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 4: loyalism to Trump is to me, you know, a pretty 291 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: uninteresting avenue that is statistically hopeless. You know, it's kind 292 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 4: of like explaining the consistency of cement. Well, you know, 293 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 4: it's it's pretty solid. It's not he's going to stay there. 294 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: It's not going to move, you know, and it's it's tragic, 295 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: you know, and it has tragic outcomes, you know, for 296 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 4: the country because because of the electoral College and because 297 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 4: of two senators per state, you live in a country 298 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: where stupidity can indeed rule, and currently does. 299 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson you may remember him, he is technically the 300 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: speaker in the House of the House, but basically only 301 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: in name, had this incredible split screen that I want 302 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: to ask you about. So he says Donald Trump was 303 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: an FBI informant, something unbelievable to say for any number 304 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: of reasons. And then last night he said, oh, you know, 305 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: I got mixed. He sort of backed away from that. 306 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: We also saw him later yesterday say that he does 307 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: not think this signature that the birthday book is real. 308 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: Uh huh, you know, I mean, so, you know, this 309 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 4: is the great tragic decline of the Republican Party. And 310 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: it's and let's remember it's just the Republican Party. You know, 311 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: the Democrats don't do this. When you know, Robert Menendez 312 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: got arrested this second second time, by the way, but 313 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: when he got arrested and the gold bars were shown publicly, 314 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: you know that were found. 315 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 6: You know in this house. 316 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: You couldn't find a Democrat to stand up and say 317 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 4: those aren't gold bars, those are not gold bars. They 318 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: were not found in his house. That's not a Mercedes 319 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 4: Benz that you know his second wife got. You know, 320 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 4: that's not what that is. And so this is a 321 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: one party illness. It's unique to them. You know. There 322 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: were plenty of Democrats who were highly critical of Bill 323 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky scandal led to his impeachment, 324 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: and they were highly critical of him along the way 325 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: of the road to impeachment. And there were a number 326 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: of Democratic senators who voted the description of a vote 327 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: impeachment vote in the Senate. The verdict is misstated. But 328 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: they voted no on the question of the question that's 329 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 4: in front of them is the question to remove him 330 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: from the presidency. That's the actual question, and they voted no. 331 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 4: Not defending his conduct. They said what he did was wrong, 332 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: what he and his perjury was wrong. However, it doesn't 333 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 4: rise to the level of the need to remove the president. 334 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 4: Plenty of Democrats voted that way and made speeches that way. 335 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: There were other Democrats who were very defensive of Bill 336 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: Clinton all the way through completely. But what you saw 337 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: was this mixed bag of our democratic president is in trouble, 338 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 4: and there was a mixed bag of reaction among Democrats, 339 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 4: and people didn't condemn a Democrat for having a view 340 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 4: that was different from theirs, and the Republican view of 341 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: it was largely anti Clinton, almost entirely anti Clinton. Say 342 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: in the House, it was you know, the Democratic Party 343 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 4: there showed you that if you show them evidence in 344 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 4: the case of Bill Clinton, in the case of Department ends, 345 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 4: in other cases they have consistently shown you, they will 346 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: not deny the evidence that you have shown them. They 347 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 4: won't deny it. So these people will will simply say 348 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: to you, oh, that's not a signature on the birthday 349 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: on the birthday note, and it's like, well, I think 350 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 4: it is. And you know, by the way, you know 351 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: what a handwriting expert is, it's you, it's the humanod. 352 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 4: There's no such thing. 353 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 6: There is no such thing. 354 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 4: There are people who are presented in judicial processes as 355 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 4: handwriting experts, and what they do is they have to 356 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 4: take the witness stand and they get questioned extensively by 357 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 4: the lawyers on both sides and then by the judge, 358 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 4: and only at the end of about a half an 359 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 4: hour sometimes an hour of questioning does the judge declare 360 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: and accept that this person's opinion on handwriting will be 361 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: allowable as testimony. And and so that person is then 362 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: allowed to say, in my experience, this looks like that signature. 363 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: So we're all handwriting experts, so we're all allowed to 364 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: look at the at the signature, and I can look 365 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: at it and say, yep, that's exactly the same signature 366 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 4: that I got on a note from Trump in twenty sixteen, 367 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 4: where he signed at Donald one word, which is a 368 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: different way when he than when he signs his full name. 369 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: He extends out the final line, you know, of the 370 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: final the D in Donald in a peculiar way that 371 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: is present in the in the Epstein signature. And so 372 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 4: you know, there would have been you know, Thomas mass 373 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: he said, you know, well, the Republicans said, yeah, it 374 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: looks like a signature. Yeah, that's the same. That's that's 375 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: the same reaction to that, And you know, the Republican 376 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: Party has collapsed into this cultism. That's that's really tragic, 377 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: and uh, it's hard to see, you know, even with 378 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 4: when Trump leaves the scene, how they would come out 379 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: of that or why would they come out of that. 380 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 4: They have proven to their voters that they absolutely can 381 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: deny any fact they want to deny, and their voters 382 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: will hang on. 383 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Lawrence. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 384 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 4: I think I succeeded in not really responding to any 385 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: of the questions, and. 386 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: You did it exactly exactly. Well there, you know, I want. 387 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 4: To just I just want to say to the to 388 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 4: the audience, I just want to agree with you, those 389 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 4: of you who got lost in my answers. It's pretty 390 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: obvious that I did too, and so we share that experience, 391 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 4: audience and speaker together. That's our bond, is that when 392 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 4: I speak on this podcast, you the audience, and I 393 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 4: will both get lost together. 394 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: I think it's very I think that the historical information 395 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: about Bill that people don't you know, because we are 396 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: the United States of Amnesia. We know nothing, we remember nothing. 397 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: Even the smartest of us are the United States of Amnesia. 398 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: That's the best case scenario that this kind of stuff 399 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: is actually really important and it just got me thinking 400 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: about the senator. I wanted to go back and look 401 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: at who said what about Bill Clinton? Because I thought 402 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: that was interesting. 403 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: I don't know if you go that far. Eric Adams, Democratic 404 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: Mayor of New York City. He gets caught. He gets 405 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 4: caught in this scandal where he's accused of bribery and 406 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: no Democrats defend them, and no Democrats lie about it. 407 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he continues to be just a horrendous politician. 408 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: Believe it like that. Thank you so much. I really 409 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thank you, thank you. Javier Basarah is the 410 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: former United States Secretary of Health and Human Services. Welcome 411 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics. 412 00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 6: Thanks. 413 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: This is an incredibly fucked up moment for American Health 414 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: and Human Service. I'd love you to talk first about 415 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: what you thought when they talked about putting RFK in 416 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: this job and your expectations of what would happen and 417 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: what happened, and sort of start with that. 418 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 7: So, Mollie, I'd say the first thing that came to 419 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 7: mind was your guard goes up and will he actually 420 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 7: moved to undermine vaccines? 421 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 6: And you have to believe that once you get in. 422 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 8: The position as secretary where your job is to improve 423 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 8: the health of the country. 424 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 6: Now you'll figure out what you do if you're not 425 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 6: a big fan of. 426 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 8: Vaccines, but you won't deny them, you won't make them 427 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 8: more difficult to get, you won't disparage them in ways 428 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 8: that raise concerns and lower confidence. Unfortunately, all of those 429 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 8: things have gone in just the way we did want 430 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 8: to see them go. And today you see fewer Americans 431 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 8: vaccin eighty and fewer Americans having access to vaccines at 432 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 8: a time when COVID is breaking out at the highest levels. 433 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 6: Perhaps of this year. 434 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: You had this very same job. You manage many elements 435 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: of the federal government, from recommendations to research, and I'd 436 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: love you to sort of tell us what you think 437 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: the most important element of the job is. The thing 438 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: that keeps me up to night about what RFK Junior 439 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: is doing is actually the research, like the mRNA research, 440 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: because mRNA it could be a cancer vaccine and I 441 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of us are going to get cancer 442 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: and I would like to be able to be vaccinated 443 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: so I don't die from it. What are the things 444 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: that are like really what you're watching this being like, 445 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: oh my odd? 446 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 447 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 8: So I will say two things first and perhaps foremost 448 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 8: the Department of Healthy Human Services, which has the responsibility nationwide, 449 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 8: as I said, to make sure Americans are healthy and 450 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 8: save Our first job is to do essentially what President 451 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 8: John F. Kennedy said when he talked about lifting all boats. 452 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 8: HHS is there to make sure that with fifty states 453 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 8: that control their healthcare, because federal government doesn't control healthcare 454 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 8: under the constitution, every state gets to do healthcare as 455 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 8: they want, so fifty different ways of doing healthcare. Some 456 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 8: do well, some don't do it so well, and so 457 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 8: you can have differing results. HHS is there to make 458 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 8: sure all boats are lifted and that you don't have 459 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 8: boats that lag behind because some states decide. 460 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 6: Not to do it right. 461 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 8: That's critical because when you've got something like a pandemic, 462 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 8: you can't afford to have thirty states doing vaccination and 463 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 8: prevention right and twenty states not, because those twenty states 464 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 8: will have major infection that will spread to the other 465 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 8: thirty states. So lifting all boats that's perhaps the most 466 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 8: important thing to do. The second thing that you touched 467 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 8: on't is that AHHS is there to make sure that 468 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 8: we're moving where we need to go for the American 469 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 8: people on health is it the next best medicine for COVID, 470 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 8: is it the next best cure for cancer? Is the 471 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 8: next best way to address suicides? AHHS collects all that 472 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 8: data from all the parts of the country and tries 473 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 8: to provide the best data to everyone so everyone knows 474 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 8: where to go. That's why, by the way, today there 475 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 8: are fewer suicides occurring than in the past four or 476 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 8: five years, dramatic drop because for the four years that 477 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 8: we were in we focused on trying to really prevent 478 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 8: suicides by providing more mental health coverage, by making the 479 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 8: nine to eighty eight Suicide and Mental Health Prevention Hotline 480 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 8: available to everyone. We went out there and knew that 481 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 8: there was mental health crisis in this country, so we 482 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 8: attacked it. And when you do on a nationwide scale, 483 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 8: you have nationwide positive results. And so that's what we 484 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 8: have to continue. Whether it's the next medicine to cure cancer, 485 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 8: or whether it's the next way to prevent somemilic from 486 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 8: committing suicide or overdosing. We get better figure out ways. 487 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: So what are the things that he's cutting that like, 488 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: For example, cancer research seems like a big one. As 489 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: you're watching this, what are the things that he's cutting well. 490 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 8: When you take a trillion dollars out of the Medicaid program, 491 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 8: which is healthcare for principally children and seniors. Remember about 492 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 8: half of all the deliveries of babies in this country 493 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 8: are covered through Medicaid. More than fifty percent of nursing 494 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 8: home stays around the country are covered by Medicaid for 495 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 8: those families. When you take a trillion dollars out of 496 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 8: the Medicaid program, you're going to hurt people who are vulnerable. 497 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: That is not a way you make America healthy again. 498 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 8: When you see the reductions in research for life saving 499 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 8: treatments for cancer, Alzheimer's, you name it, folks are going 500 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 8: to die or die earlier, and we can't afford to 501 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 8: see that. When you've got the CDC, which is our 502 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 8: canary in the coal mine to alert the fifty States 503 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 8: of what might be coming down the pike, whether it's 504 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 8: covid av and fluid measles. When you take into account 505 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 8: the roles that the NIH, the CDC, Food and Drug Administration, 506 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 8: it's losing some of its best experts. FDA is responsible 507 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 8: to make sure that any meta and any medical device 508 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 8: that gets out there to the market in the market 509 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 8: for Americans is safe and effective. 510 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to pause because you speak like a doctor 511 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: and not like a television person, and so I get distracted. 512 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: As someone who had the job last, I feel like 513 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: you are the person to talk about this. So when 514 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: you fire people from the FDA, that means our food 515 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: is not being tested the way it was right correct. 516 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 6: Our nursing homes are not being inspected the way they should. 517 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: When you cut Medicaid, that's going to mean rural hospital closures. 518 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: It's going to mean and people kicked off the system. 519 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: What else is it going to mean. 520 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 8: We've already seen rural hospitals closing in states like Virginia. 521 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 8: California just reported a closing of a rural hospital here. 522 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 8: They don't get their Medicaid funding, they have no choice 523 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 8: go close. That means people in those rural communities don't 524 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 8: have a place to go. 525 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: So he cut off this mRNA vaccine testing stuff, that means, 526 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: like all those research funding stops. 527 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 8: Right, it means we stop testing the most viable, the 528 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 8: best way to keep people healthy and save them from 529 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 8: the COVID infection. And if we're not ready for the 530 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 8: next variant, it could be very dangerous, right, We're. 531 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Definitely not going to be ready for the next very 532 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: was it? Man, We're on the Titanic, and it's like, 533 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: we're not going to get a good seed. But mRNA 534 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: vaccine testing, Like, give me the nuts and bolts of that, 535 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: Like does this mean like Harvard loses money? Like are 536 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: their government laboratories? Like where's this money coming from? And 537 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: what kind of trials are they canceling? 538 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 8: We have a coordinated system for vaccinations, for testing vaccines. 539 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 8: Niah hast some of the capacity in its lab. Sometimes 540 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 8: we're going to some of the best universities for their 541 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 8: labs to do the research. But collectively, we work together 542 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 8: and we come up with the best vaccines. And as 543 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 8: you know, everybody knows, COVID is constantly mutating. The flu 544 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 8: virus is constantly mutating, and so we have to be 545 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 8: ready for what's coming at us, not what came at 546 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 8: us two years ago. If you get rid of the 547 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 8: research money that gets you ready for the next very variant, 548 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 8: you're not going to be saving lives. 549 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: Now. We're deeply, deeply fucked here. I want to disassemble 550 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: here just how fucked we are. So Like, for example, 551 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: there's the mRNA stuff, which means shutting down like looking 552 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: at COVID vaccines. And but then there's also longer uses 553 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: for mRNA vaccines. Then there's the food testing, there's the inspections, 554 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: there's that kind of stuff. I want you to talk 555 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: about the crazy Florida vaccine thing with the kids, because 556 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: this seems like next level fucked. 557 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 8: I don't know how you explain Florida and how they 558 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 8: can tell parents you don't need to vaccinate your kids, 559 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 8: and we're not going to make it easier for you 560 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 8: to vaccinate your kids when pediatricians around the country are saying, 561 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 8: don't follow that guidance, When family care physicians are telling you, 562 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 8: don't follow that guidance, when the best medical experts when 563 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 8: it comes to diseases and vaccinations tell you, don't follow 564 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 8: that guidance. 565 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 6: If I'm in Florida, I wouldn't follow Florida's guidance. 566 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 8: If you want to keep your kids safe, do with 567 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 8: the doctors the medical professions that the experts tell you, 568 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 8: and that is get them vaccinated. 569 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: So what happened was the Secretary of Health and Human 570 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Services of Florida, right, is that what it's called. 571 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 8: I'm not sure what their agency is called, and the 572 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 8: their surgeon general as well as the honest. 573 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Right, the Florida Surgeon General said, you don't have to 574 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: vaccinate your kids. You're not going to have a recommendation. 575 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: So that means though I want to take that apart 576 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: for a minute, because it means first that you can 577 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: go to public schools without having been vaccinated, right, yeah. 578 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 8: It means you also have to pay money out of 579 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 8: pocket to get those vaccinations, which otherwise would be covered 580 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 8: by insurance or by Medicare or Medicaid. 581 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: So that means when children are born in Florida and 582 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: mRNA vaccine will not be free. 583 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 8: There's a good chance that in Florida, you won't have 584 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 8: access to it, or at least not at a reasonable 585 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 8: cost for that vaccine. And for a lot of families, 586 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 8: the kid doesn't look sick, they'll say maybe I can 587 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 8: go without the vaccine this year, and they take a chance. 588 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 6: You don't want to risk your child's life. 589 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: We have mandated in this country mRNA vaccines. I'm talking 590 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: about like measles, moms, polio, these vaccines. I mean, how 591 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: much of the population do you think is unvaccinated right now? 592 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 6: Well, think about it, for measles. 593 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 8: Most of the population in the country had been over 594 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 8: the course of many years getting vaccinated. But now you 595 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 8: see this movement against vaccination, and we saw the outbreak 596 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 8: in Texas and other parts of the country where even 597 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 8: children die. We hadn't seen this level of infection on 598 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 8: measles in decades, and all of a sudden's popping up. 599 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: Right and now measles had been eradicated essentially before this. Yeah, 600 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: so isn't that measles outbreak still going? 601 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 6: I've seen reported cases. 602 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 8: The difficulty is most of these cases are people or 603 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 8: kids who were unvaccinated. If you're vaccinated, chances are you're 604 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 8: not becoming sick. 605 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: No, of course not. But explain to us what happens 606 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: when herd immunity breaks, because I don't think people understand 607 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: right now even these measles outbreaks are only really for unvaccinated. 608 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: If you're vaccinated, you might have a tiny something really not. 609 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: But what happens when the system breaks down when. 610 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 8: You stop having the immunity to that particular disease, And 611 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 8: you can get that immunity through the vaccination process, through 612 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 8: a vaccine, or by getting ill and surviving and then 613 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 8: having naturally developed the antibodies. That's what we call herd immunity. 614 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 8: When the population generally is covered one way or the 615 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 8: other with some level of immunity, but new kids are 616 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 8: born every year and some of that immunity starts to 617 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 8: wane after a while, and so periodically you may need 618 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 8: to get re vaccinated, as we have scene with COVID. 619 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 8: Usually the measles, it's been a vaccine that you haven't 620 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 8: had to do it over and over and over all 621 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 8: the time, the immunity stays at scale. Unfortunately, for kids 622 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 8: who've never gotten vaccinated, they're very susceptible, and we sought 623 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 8: children die in Texas. 624 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: What we're going to see, if I'm right, is that 625 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: as people stop being vaccinated, these measles outbreaks are going 626 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: to be dead and dead layer and not just for 627 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: unvaccinated people. Right because once you start having this exposure 628 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: to measles, if you're elderly and vaccinated, if you're a 629 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: baby and vaccinated, it may not matter. If you're very 630 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: sick and vaccinated. 631 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 6: You become more susceptible. 632 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 8: And the difficulty is these viruses don't stay the same. 633 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 8: They continue to mutate, and they could mutate into a 634 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 8: form that can sustain itself far more against any vaccine 635 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 8: or natural immunity you might have. 636 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 6: So if you. 637 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 8: Allow that disease, that virus to continue to mutate, it 638 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 8: could take on a form that can surpass the immunity 639 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 8: that you have. 640 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 6: And that's the risk that we have. 641 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 8: But if we continue to have that generalized immunization naturally 642 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 8: or through the vaccine, we continue to protect everyone and 643 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 8: no one becomes too susceptible. 644 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not what's going to happen here, right, 645 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're on the Titanic here. We 646 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: had the time for like why public health matters is over. 647 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: We're in the find out period. In my mind, the 648 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: question is trioge, like, how do we keep ourselves safe? 649 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: How do we keep people who are saying safe? Because 650 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any way you're going to 651 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: be able to convince those other people to take a 652 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: vaccine that they think is poison one of the other things. So, like, 653 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: there's the effect that he's having on people who are 654 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: vaccine has an end. There's the effect that the cutting 655 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: research is having on all of us in the future. 656 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: There's the effect of like food safety, what other stuff 657 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: am I missing here that's going to be affected. That's 658 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: like a second order effect or even a first order 659 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: effect that I don't think about it. It's a huge 660 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: agency with huge tentacles in every part of our life. 661 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: Part of the federal government is you don't know how 662 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: important it is until it's not working. So what else 663 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: am I missing here in this story? 664 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 8: We haven't talked about the drug price negotiation that this 665 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 8: administration has now taken over. 666 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 6: We did it last year. 667 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 8: We were able to decrease the price of some of 668 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 8: the most expensive pharmaceutical medicines by up to eighty percent. 669 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 8: Drugs that Americans rely on but that just are very, 670 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 8: very expensive. 671 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: Started with insulin, right, thirty five dollars. 672 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 6: Insulin, Yeah, insulin at thirty five dollars. 673 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 8: Then we negotiated on drugs that were far more expensive, 674 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 8: in some cases in the thousands of dollars for treatment, 675 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 8: and we were able to bring the prices of those 676 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 8: first ten top ten costly drugs down, as I said, 677 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 8: sent some cases up to eighty percent. The administration. This 678 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 8: administration is supposed to be announcing soon the results of 679 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 8: its negotiations on the next fifteenth very expensive drugs. 680 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 6: We'll see how well they do. 681 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 8: Do they keep that march going where they're trying to 682 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 8: decrease the price significantly. This administration is also undermined something 683 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 8: that we don't think of in terms of healthy human services, 684 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 8: but it's within our jurisdiction, and that's how it start 685 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 8: the program for children to get an fairly start before 686 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 8: kindergarten where some parents, hottest income families can otherwise afford 687 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 8: good childcare. They are dismantling head Start in ways that 688 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 8: are going to impact not just the head Start programs, 689 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 8: but the families that are trying to get their children 690 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 8: into a good head start school. 691 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean head Start, food Stamps, Medicaid, those are 692 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: crazy numbers. 693 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 8: Right, It's awful for those families who depend on it. 694 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 8: Why would you cut meals on wheels for seniors when 695 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 8: they try to go to senior citizen centers if that 696 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 8: may be their only decent. 697 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 6: Meal they're going to get. That was also something that 698 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 6: was on the chopping block. 699 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: Did they cut meals on wheels? 700 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 6: I believe my recollection was that they did. You'll have 701 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 6: to check the numbers for that. 702 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Are you disappointed that more people aren't calling for 703 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: RFK to step down, and what do you think the 704 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: move there is. 705 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 8: I'm amazed that we haven't had a reset at HHUS, 706 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 8: given everything that's going on. I am amazed that we 707 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 8: haven't seen more people leave the agency, given how asked 708 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 8: and furious this administration is taking HHS in the opposite 709 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 8: direction of improving health for Americans. I'm shocked at how 710 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 8: many people in Congress are permitting the agency to be 711 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 8: gutted and for americans health to be put in jeopardy. 712 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 6: But Donald Trump's got a grip on all these guys. 713 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 8: Unbelievably bad incompetence is governing right now, and that's going 714 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 8: to hurt people. 715 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 6: We'll see it when people die. 716 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 717 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: The nightmare scenario is that like the resistant whatever that comes, Like, 718 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: doesn't that worry you the most? 719 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 6: Yeah? 720 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 8: Or that rural hospital that was the only facility in 721 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 8: the region for a long ways a way that is 722 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 8: now closing. So when you've got that emergency, how do 723 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 8: they get you to a place that can keep you alive? 724 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you, wonderful. 725 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, was late, Oh normally, thank you so much. 726 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: The moment. 727 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 3: Jesse Cannon, So, Molly, I know we've done much podcasting 728 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 3: about Oh, Judge Barrett isn't as bad as we thought 729 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 3: in some ways. But these comments here, these are the 730 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 3: ones that we expected when we were all awaiting the 731 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 3: incoming justice handmade to come around on the scene and 732 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 3: say some real, real choice stuff. I'm going to let 733 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 3: you be the bearer of bad news of what she 734 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 3: said here, because I can't even bring myself to pull 735 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 3: it out of my mouth today. 736 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: I have a hot take. I'm not convinced this is 737 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: as bad. 738 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: My little baby had to sleep. 739 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: Please, she says, the twenty second Amendment says you can 740 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: only run for two terms, Bear says, and she says true. 741 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: And he says, do you think that's cut and dry? 742 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: And she says, well, that's you know what the amendment says. 743 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: FDR had four terms. Many online were concerned that Barrett 744 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: had left room for interpretation, but I don't agree. Fuck it. 745 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, she said, that's what the constitution said. The 746 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: guy is I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole, 747 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: but I'm going to say one thing to our listeners now. 748 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: It is so important that we stay sane in a 749 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: period like this, when things are very emotional and there's 750 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: a lot of feeling and a lot of stress and 751 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety. Just it's okay. He's not going 752 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: to run for another term. The guy is going to 753 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: go to Florida and play golf. Let's not go down 754 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: this rabbit hole. There's enough, like real tangible stuff to 755 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: worry about. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 756 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday to hear 757 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: the best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 758 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: If you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a 759 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.