Speaker 1: My next guest spent thirteen seasons as an NFL quarterback,
Speaker 1: eleven of those years with the Philadelphia Eagles, where he
Speaker 1: took the team to Super Bowl thirty nine. It's always
Speaker 1: good to get his perspective, at least in the eyes
Speaker 1: of some of y'all. To me, he's a damn night man.
Speaker 1: Nobody clowns me more than this. Nobody gets on my
Speaker 1: nerves more than this guy. He's always messing with me.
Speaker 1: But I miss him. The one and only Donovan mcnah,
Speaker 1: what's up, my brother?
Speaker 2: How you doing that?
Speaker 3: That wasn't there? That? That all that extra stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm extra.
Speaker 1: I can be extra. That's who I am. That's who
Speaker 1: I am. I can be extra. I'm Steven.
Speaker 3: Drop the mic like that, do that.
Speaker 2: I can do that right now when we just started.
Speaker 2: You know how you are.
Speaker 3: To your biceps. Now you want to show off the
Speaker 3: pattern and looking on stylish.
Speaker 1: Well, I am in better shape. I ain't as stick
Speaker 1: as your ass. I'm in better shape, Donovan. So listen, man,
Speaker 1: we got super Bowl super Bowl fifty nine. Here, we
Speaker 1: got the as the City Chiefs, your former team, the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, Kansas City coach by your former coach Andy
Speaker 1: Reid being down here for the Super Bowl, tell us
Speaker 1: what kind of memories it brings back for you personally.
Speaker 3: As a player at that particular point.
Speaker 4: You know what, it's the excitement, I think, the anticipation
Speaker 4: of the actual game.
Speaker 3: You know, when we were back in thirty nine.
Speaker 4: It was it was the excitement because we finally got
Speaker 4: over the hub and so it was more of the
Speaker 4: just the drive Monday, the Tuesday, the Wednesday, and you're
Speaker 4: just like, let's get to the game. And so now
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of these young guys, and
Speaker 4: they do a great job the NFL that is of
Speaker 4: the week before where you can get the tickets and
Speaker 4: travel and hotels and all of that out of the
Speaker 4: way and focus just on football on the game week.
Speaker 4: And so the excitement kind of really builds up by Friday.
Speaker 2: Is it possible to get the damn ticket issue out
Speaker 2: the way?
Speaker 1: Because I'm imagining no matter how many requests come in,
Speaker 1: they don't stop.
Speaker 4: Well, you know how black families are, you know, it's
Speaker 4: always you know Uncle Tim and and you.
Speaker 3: Can't forget about your cousin. You know me, your cousin
Speaker 3: grew up with you when you were six, you know,
Speaker 3: she lives out there. It's like I ain't seen her
Speaker 3: since I was six.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think for it's it's hard because
Speaker 4: of that, the demands, but then you have to block
Speaker 4: it out and focus in and then the excitement of
Speaker 4: the game is just it's just basically like almost an
Speaker 4: extension of the NFC Championship.
Speaker 1: When you think back to your experiences, how much did
Speaker 1: the week leading up to the game affect your performance
Speaker 1: during the game, if at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think at all at all. No, not at all.
Speaker 4: And the whole thing is when you're in the game,
Speaker 4: you're focusing in at the time, like time matters, and
Speaker 4: it's the play clock, it's the actual play getting the
Speaker 4: ball off on time. It's throwing it with timing, it's
Speaker 4: making the right checks, making the right reads, protecting the football,
Speaker 4: and at the end of it, trying to get a
Speaker 4: first down, trying to get a touchdown. And so it's
Speaker 4: the mistakes that mount up and what does that do
Speaker 4: to the football team and what does that do for
Speaker 4: field position? And that's what this game is. This game
Speaker 4: is about field position. Who has the ball past the fifty,
Speaker 4: who has the ball with what time left? Where in
Speaker 4: the third down or second down? Are you using third
Speaker 4: and medium? Is it third and long? Is it third
Speaker 4: and short. That's what decides on whatever play is coming in.
Speaker 4: How are we going to execute it? Do you have
Speaker 4: a shot at the touchdown? Or is it just to
Speaker 4: get the first down? Do I have enough time to
Speaker 4: get the ball out? And so those are things that
Speaker 4: you're thinking about come games.
Speaker 1: In all the years I've known you, I've never asked
Speaker 1: you a question I'm about to ask you. I know
Speaker 1: that TiO was hurt and then came and performed and
Speaker 1: performed well in the Super Bowl, but he wasn't there
Speaker 1: for the divisional playoff game in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2: If he had.
Speaker 1: Never gotten hurt at all, do you think y'all would
Speaker 1: have won the Super Bowl? Like, I know he played
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, but I'm just thinking about the
Speaker 1: camaraderie that you had, the timing, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I know he played well, but I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: other players on the team that had to adjust it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 3: I have it, I have it.
Speaker 4: No, I would. I haven't thought about that question. I
Speaker 4: can't believe you even asked that question. You want something else. Now,
Speaker 4: I would say we were who we were, and the
Speaker 4: thing was we were that before and then it was
Speaker 4: an added dimension. So remember what we did. We did
Speaker 4: that due to of course of ten eleven weeks like
Speaker 4: with him, like that season, we really didn't play much
Speaker 4: in the later part of the year. So I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, hey, life would have been a little different.
Speaker 1: But I can't complain how much different would your life
Speaker 1: be right now?
Speaker 2: If you had won that.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and we were saying Donovan McNabb not just
Speaker 1: a great player, but Donovan McNabb a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 4: I would have made it to at least the eight
Speaker 4: or probably the final final selection of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: I might be in a Hall of Fame right now,
Speaker 4: because then I would be looked upon as a true
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, which in a lot of people's eyes,
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: I think you include myself.
Speaker 4: I think you are, but I think I would definitely
Speaker 4: have made it further in the voting of for Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Super Bowl right now.
Speaker 1: When we think about Patrick Mahomes, we think about Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: we think about Josh Allen, we think about Joe.
Speaker 2: Burrow, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And in the words of a quarterback who played at
Speaker 1: a high level in the National Football League, what does
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes have that none of the other quarterbacks have?
Speaker 3: Super Bowls? Super Bowls?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about his abilities because the super Bowls are obvious.
Speaker 2: He's a champion.
Speaker 4: I mean he has he has great arm talent, he's
Speaker 4: a game breaker, he's a playmaker, he's a he's a leader,
Speaker 4: he's everything that you see and a lot of these
Speaker 4: other guys, it's just that it's like Tom Brady. Tom
Speaker 4: Brady wasn't the best athlete. Tom Brady wasn't a probably
Speaker 4: at some point he wasn't the best quarterback, but he
Speaker 4: was a winner. And that's what he is. And ever
Speaker 4: since he had became a starter. And I'll take it
Speaker 4: all the way back to when he started in Denver
Speaker 4: in replace of Alex Smith that year that was to
Speaker 4: get Alex and Bress get Patrick some reps. And I
Speaker 4: think he threw for about two fifty two to seventy
Speaker 4: five in that game, to the point where that's when
Speaker 4: Andy knew what his future was and Alex knew what
Speaker 4: his future was. Right, And so now you're talking was
Speaker 4: this eight years for him though.
Speaker 1: Seven years he started. But he's been a start for
Speaker 1: seven years, been in the league for eight years, been
Speaker 1: a starter last seven.
Speaker 3: And it's been in the Super Bowl five times.
Speaker 2: And been in the AFC Championship game every single year.
Speaker 4: And to be honest with you and not I have
Speaker 4: just had this conversation in an interview. D Ford was
Speaker 4: lined up all sides by an an inch and he
Speaker 4: looked over at the ref and the ref usually would
Speaker 4: tell him to slide back, but the tackle was lined
Speaker 4: up all sides for New England. You know what happened
Speaker 4: on that play? What interception? Tom through an interception which
Speaker 4: he would have went to the Super Bowl that year.
Speaker 3: Wow, So now we're talking every year.
Speaker 4: He almost going to the super Bowl because when he
Speaker 4: went to the AFC Championship his first year, that was
Speaker 4: just one particular play by the referees that could have
Speaker 4: been Hey, slide back usually didn't tell you that, but.
Speaker 3: There was no notice and he only he lost in
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your team, the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: From this respect, you got Jalen Hurts, Sakwon Barkley, It's spectacular.
Speaker 2: What would Joe like Brian Westbrook was that dude.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: He was a bad brother, but Saquon Barkley is Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3: Now, okay, what's it like?
Speaker 1: I mean, what would it have been like for you
Speaker 1: to have Saquon Barkley as a runner back?
Speaker 3: I have Brad Westbrook.
Speaker 2: So you're just gonna be like that, right. I know
Speaker 2: he runs two thousand owns, but.
Speaker 3: He had over almost three thousand total all purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 4: It was only two. It was only too that in
Speaker 4: a particular time in the game him Meladania that was
Speaker 4: doing it like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think what do you think rather Sequon Barkley
Speaker 1: needs to do in order for the Philadelphia Eagles to
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: I think they need to run the football about thirty
Speaker 4: thirty to thirty two times I'll say thirty five including
Speaker 4: Jalen to keep it balanced. Because what it does is
Speaker 4: now sets up the play action game where Dallas guid
Speaker 4: has to be so effective in the middle of the
Speaker 4: football field versus their safeties and linebackers. And when you're
Speaker 4: running the football, now that keeps the safeties in, the
Speaker 4: linebackers the line where now they have to stop run
Speaker 4: first instead of dropping back in zones. And so if
Speaker 4: Spags decides to blitz and they do decide to run, now,
Speaker 4: if the tackles and guards can push out and open
Speaker 4: up oh, that's a home run right there. For So
Speaker 4: what it does now and what everybody has seen the
Speaker 4: effectiveness of this offensive line and what they can do
Speaker 4: to establish the run game and open up host If
Speaker 4: they can can establish that line of scrimmage, now that
Speaker 4: opens up opportunities on the outside with man and man coverage,
Speaker 4: with aj and Devonte.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line would be
Speaker 1: able to do that? The number one according to Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus, they average six six, three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: eight pounds. You would think they should be able to
Speaker 1: maul any any defensive line, even if it is that
Speaker 1: of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 4: Jones is a problem. Yes, and so that's Makai Beckton,
Speaker 4: and that's Dickerson. And if you're not healthy enough, he's
Speaker 4: gonna move you. He's gonna move you. So we've seen
Speaker 4: what happened with San Francisco when they were running the
Speaker 4: football had some effectiveness, but then when the play they
Speaker 4: need to be made, can't stop ninety five.
Speaker 2: Have we talked about Kansas City's D defense enough?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: What should we be saying about them?
Speaker 4: Timeless timeless plays that they make in the course of
Speaker 4: the game that changes the game, if it's from the
Speaker 4: D line or if it's from their safeties. Their safeties
Speaker 4: are ball hawks, but they also come down to stop
Speaker 4: the run. I think Reid is probably one of the
Speaker 4: unkept heroes like that. They don't talk about much, but
Speaker 4: he does a great job on their defense. And Spags
Speaker 4: is Spags, Spags is always gonna put them in position.
Speaker 4: We know about McDuffie, we know about Reid, we know
Speaker 4: about you know Jones, But if they have a lot
Speaker 4: of heroes on that on that defensive line and linebacker
Speaker 4: court that make big plays.
Speaker 2: What was your relationship like with Andy Reid when.
Speaker 3: You were playing. I didn't like them. You got.
Speaker 2: What I know? You love that man.
Speaker 4: Listen, that is my guy. Actually talked to him today.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm pulling one of my Steven d A's
Speaker 4: dropping dropping name. You know, I talked to him the
Speaker 4: other day breakfast that I talked to him, talked to
Speaker 4: him this morning and he's my like, he's my guy,
Speaker 4: Like we talk outside of football, And you know, I
Speaker 4: worry about his health when he was going through some
Speaker 4: different things.
Speaker 3: Good to see his family's doing well. And it's more of.
Speaker 4: The success that he's had because he allows his players
Speaker 4: to beat themselves. And the problem with the world today
Speaker 4: is these coaches get so enamored with being the one
Speaker 4: in control, controlling the narrative. Their ego stands too strong
Speaker 4: where they're not allowing their players to control the locker room,
Speaker 4: control the outcome, control what's in front of him. And
Speaker 4: Andy was a no judgment kind of a coach and
Speaker 4: still is a no judgment of coach, and that's what
Speaker 4: makes him elite.
Speaker 1: You've heard the noise they've said about Nick Sirianni and Philadelphia. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was a time, believe it or not, even though
Speaker 1: he just got at the Philadelphia, he goes to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearance a couple of years ago, they were
Speaker 1: talking about he might not be the right man for
Speaker 1: the job.
Speaker 2: At one point.
Speaker 3: They did the same thing that Doug Peterson. Then he
Speaker 3: wanted super Bowl.
Speaker 2: They did the same thing that Doug Peterson. Then he
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You absolutely right with Nick Foles is his quarterback, By
Speaker 1: the way, what did you.
Speaker 2: Think about the noise against Nick Sirianni when you first
Speaker 2: heard of the season.
Speaker 3: I thought it was garbage.
Speaker 4: And I talked to Nick and spoke up for him
Speaker 4: because I do a call in radio show every Monday,
Speaker 4: and I told him, I said, you want Tom. You
Speaker 4: want somebody who's up front. You want somebody to be brash,
Speaker 4: you want somebody who who's gonna be, you know, there
Speaker 4: for his team and be vocal. You got him. Now
Speaker 4: you're mad because he fired back at you. You know,
Speaker 4: So that that's the problem. Don't think, don't don't sit
Speaker 4: there and give it and then can't take it. And
Speaker 4: so what happened the team rallied behind him, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden he pulled off a win streak or
Speaker 4: what where they went twelve in a row.
Speaker 2: Or basically or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so that shows a lot about the respect that
Speaker 4: they have for him in that locker room, because Nick
Speaker 4: is just being Nick. And so you know when you
Speaker 4: fire at him, yeah, he's on fire back. He's a
Speaker 4: human being too, you know, just like when people come
Speaker 4: at you, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know I'm gonna hit him back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see, you know you know. I thought you mustache
Speaker 4: would grow a little a little more.
Speaker 1: I've been cutting it off a little bit. I've been
Speaker 1: shaving myself. I didn't go to my barber, and I
Speaker 1: did try to. Now we go, I'm blaming myself.
Speaker 3: So you said you messed it up.
Speaker 2: I messed it up. But I can afford it.
Speaker 1: I have room for I have room to grub gul anyway. Anyway, listen, man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at right now. Everybody's been talking about Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3: Yes, including you.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I have Yes, I believe in a brother,
Speaker 1: but he's got to show it, Donovan.
Speaker 3: Besides the wind.
Speaker 1: No, what I'm saying to you is this, I'm measuring.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing with you. Don't let him off.
Speaker 2: The hook.
Speaker 3: Yesterday. But I was right. But I was right. I
Speaker 3: was right. I was right.
Speaker 2: What I said was, I'm measuring what it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna take for you to win the chick And what's
Speaker 1: not saying that you can't ball. I'm saying Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagle since Week five, has run the football
Speaker 1: more than anybody in the league. They've thrown the football
Speaker 1: less than anybody in the league. So you're basically saying this,
Speaker 1: we'll run first kind of team, et cetera. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna get it done against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with saying.
Speaker 4: That because you're now slighting what he's want, what he's
Speaker 4: been doing.
Speaker 2: That's that's sensitivity.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, So I'm Ralph trans Man.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't need a man with sensitivity, but with.
Speaker 2: Sensitivity, but that's okay, But go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4: This is the thing that I think people don't realize.
Speaker 4: The concussion was something that he had to battle through.
Speaker 4: So his first game back after the concussion was the
Speaker 4: first round of the playoffs. His second game back was
Speaker 4: the second round.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what they
Speaker 1: were saying about him during the season.
Speaker 4: But they were saying it because they were trying to
Speaker 4: figure out, you know why Aj and DeVante were getting
Speaker 4: the ball but you're winning. They're not getting the ball
Speaker 4: because Kellen Moore is not calling what your quarterback is
Speaker 4: comfortable with.
Speaker 2: You see, you're very frustrated.
Speaker 1: You're very Let me tell you why, because I could
Speaker 1: imagine you when you were playing saying those exact same
Speaker 1: things to everybody around you. But you know, players, I mean,
Speaker 1: your stats speak for you, and when you go to
Speaker 1: the negotiating table, you're gonna have to live on that stuff.
Speaker 1: So they want the ball, they want. Everybody's gonna be
Speaker 1: that patient.
Speaker 4: So if we're going to the NFC Championship and we're
Speaker 4: going to the Super Bowl, we're winning, and I'm throwing
Speaker 4: the ball effectively.
Speaker 3: And officiate and league, I'm I'm offici.
Speaker 1: If you're throwing the ball ten times instead of thirty times,
Speaker 1: that's twenty times, and ain't throwing the damn book.
Speaker 4: I bet you Joe Burrow would love to switching being
Speaker 4: a jayln Hurst, I'm not sure about that. I bet
Speaker 4: you Josh Allen would love to be in his shoes.
Speaker 4: I bet you Lamar would.
Speaker 1: But they didn't have to go against They had to
Speaker 1: go against my home. He doesn't have to until Sunday.
Speaker 4: They don't matter who you gotta go against. Your win
Speaker 4: win is a win. We all, So you go with
Speaker 4: Jay Len. I'm good with what he's doing.
Speaker 3: So you think, with what.
Speaker 1: He's doing right now, that's gonna deliver you a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl championship Against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: It would have brought him one last time they played, last.
Speaker 1: Time they played these past with three hundred yards. He
Speaker 1: rushed for seventy, he scored four touchdown, but he didn't
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He didn't have twenty six
Speaker 1: behind them.
Speaker 2: Let me take one, not Brian Westbrook, that's what you mean.
Speaker 3: I just asking.
Speaker 4: I said twenty six. I did say thirty six. If
Speaker 4: he had thirty six back there, yes, he probably would
Speaker 4: have won a super Bowl. But you know he didn't
Speaker 4: have them. He had he had you know, Sanders was
Speaker 4: back there. Sanders is also a thousand yard Russian, you know.
Speaker 4: But the thing about it is he played well enough
Speaker 4: in that offense of what they had. Then this is
Speaker 4: a whole different office. The man that'd been through what
Speaker 4: three four coordinators and he only been in the league
Speaker 4: five years, It's true, and so so now he's in
Speaker 4: a new offense, learning new offense, and then after this game,
Speaker 4: he's gonna be another offense when Kellenmore takes the job
Speaker 4: here in New Orleans. So now then what we're gonna say,
Speaker 4: he's continuing to win. Okay, as a quarterback, we're measured
Speaker 4: by wins correct. Okay, hold On well measured by wins correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, not just whens, but wins is a part of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: which is a part of it. Absolutely can't be losing.
Speaker 3: You turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: He turned the ball off ten ten turnovers the Eagles force.
Speaker 1: They haven't committed a turnover. You think that's gonna happen
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowls, Well, they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: be turnover free.
Speaker 4: I think the game, both sides will turn the football over.
Speaker 4: But it's when you turn the football and where you
Speaker 4: turn the full football over. I think that's what matters.
Speaker 4: So you stop talking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you got winning the game.
Speaker 4: Philadelphia Eagles by three, by three. It's gonna be a
Speaker 4: closed game?
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be high scoring?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thirty twenty seven, thirty.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven, you got the Philadelphia Eagles winning. Why they'll
Speaker 1: score thirty points?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: How how the gook scored thirty points?
Speaker 3: Three touchdowns from Jaysen pass one rushing.
Speaker 1: Three touchdowns from Jalen Hurts passing one touchdown running. It's
Speaker 1: not an emotional call, you know, quarterback loving the quarterback
Speaker 1: Philadelphia And so what I'm saying, that's just.
Speaker 3: One of the great analyts just giving you.
Speaker 2: This analytical opinion. No bisness, whatso wellen not at all.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagle's defense can hold Patrick Mahomes twenty seven points?
Speaker 4: Correct. I love Patrick, Patrick's a great guy. Love Travis,
Speaker 4: love Big Red. You know it's it's great for them
Speaker 4: in this journey and what it does for the game
Speaker 4: of football, in the game of sports to have this
Speaker 4: opportunity that this possibly can happen with three people.
Speaker 1: Last question, Patrick Mahomes and the kids say that she's
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl against your prognostications, I my dad,
Speaker 1: they will have three ped it that would be four
Speaker 1: Super Bowl titles total, back to back to back Super
Speaker 1: Bowl championships. Does that make Patrick Mahons the greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: to have ever lived.
Speaker 4: At the moment, You're just gonna give him that title
Speaker 4: just now?
Speaker 3: Question?
Speaker 2: No, okay, why not?
Speaker 4: He's only seven years in the league. Eight years in
Speaker 4: the league. Okay, let him play about fifteen years. Matter
Speaker 4: of fact, with that resume, let him play thirteen to
Speaker 4: fifteen more years and if he decides to retire, yes,
Speaker 4: he will go down this and depending on what happens
Speaker 4: after that, But.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahons's record would be eighteen and three in the postseason,
Speaker 1: he'd have four Super Bowl titles. He'd have five Super
Speaker 1: Bowl appearances in seven years. In all seven years is
Speaker 1: starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He would have
Speaker 1: been in the AFC Championship Game every single year. He
Speaker 1: would have won the division title every single year, and
Speaker 1: you still would to give it to him.
Speaker 3: Win a three p. He has been in league ten years.
Speaker 3: Let him get in the league ten years. You can
Speaker 3: kind of talk about that.
Speaker 2: Phillop for you who's thirty, can't see the Chiefs twenty seven?
Speaker 3: Stick with it.
Speaker 2: You want less chance change, You want less chance to
Speaker 2: change a prediction one last chance.
Speaker 4: I mean, you feel like you about to put some
Speaker 4: money on this, So I'm trying to help you win
Speaker 4: some more money, you know, because you look like you're
Speaker 4: struggling right now.
Speaker 3: This pattern, this pattern on the suit. I don't think
Speaker 3: I've ever seen him.
Speaker 2: I could use a little more money.
Speaker 3: Is it from overseas?
Speaker 2: Used a little morning? It's not from overseas, It's from
Speaker 2: the States. It's from the States. Dotamic Dad, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: Donavan vic Dad