1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Ore and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a imparanormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: death and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Near death experiences are always fascinating to hear. They can 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: be different, but many of them have similarities, such as 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: going to a light, feeling unconditional love from the other side, 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: and so many other things. I'd like you to make 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Karen and Blanced Thomas, who had a near death experience 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: well over thirty years ago, but its memory is crystal clear, 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: which is something you'll find is very common to near 19 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: death experiencers. They can remember them more clear than any 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: memory they've ever had. Welcome Karen, Oh, thank you, thank 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: you for having me. I'm so happy to be here 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and we are happy to have you. Karen, tell us 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: your story and when was your near death experience. My 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: near death experience was so long ago. It was thirty 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: five years ago. UM. At that time, I was just 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: a young mom um all fairly young. I was thirty 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: two and my kids were nine and six, and my 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: husband and I had moved from our home of an 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: upstate New York to Alaska. My husband had actually had 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: a friend from the Navy who had always lived in 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: a Aska, and he had contacted us and thought that 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: there would be work available for my husband and I both, 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: and he encouraged us to come and make the move, 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: and so we did. We moved up to Alaska and 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Alaska UM. It was a little town called Eagle River 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: and it's outside of it's like a a suburban area 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: to Anchorage, Alaska, and my husband was working on the 38 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: oil field the Prudo and I was working in the 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: main UM Trauma hospital in Anchorage, UM at that time 40 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: it was Alaska Hospital and Medical Center UM later became 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Humanity Hospital M. My my career is physical therapy, and 42 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: so I was able to get a job working in 43 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: the physical therapy department there, and so what happened, well, 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: what happened, UM, five years before I had had an 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: injury to my low back and I had a ruptured 46 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: disc and had to have a lambinactomy. And then in 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: working with some of them more stressful traumatic patients that 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: we had to work with in that thunder, UM, I 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: ended up having an incident happened that caused me to 50 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: rupture another disc in my back. And so had gone 51 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: through conservative treatment, physical therapy, UM, injections, all sorts of things, 52 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: and it came down to having to have surgery because 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: it just simply was not responding. UM. So I was 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: set up for surgery and was one of the first 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: UH surgical patients in the morning, right in the same 56 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: hospital where I worked. And my husband and the kids 57 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: came into the hospital and UM, we're there to walk 58 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: beside the stretchers. They brought me down to the operating 59 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: room and and the operating room. UM, they were having 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: me on my stomach to be able to open up 61 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: my back to do the surgery. And I remember the 62 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: the anesthetic coming in through the ivy and that was 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: all up. Then it was lights out until suddenly my 64 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: awareness was that I was about three or four inches 65 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: from the ceiling tiles and looking at the ceiling tiles 66 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: from very close up and and being totally puzzled as 67 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: to why that was happening until I started hearing um, 68 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the surgeons swearing, and hearing UH, the anesthesiologists saying that 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: the blood pressure had bottomed out, and a nurse running 70 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: out to get blood transfusion, and and my awareness then 71 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: was back at at the the operating room table, where 72 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: I could see they were in the process of flipping 73 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: my body from face down to face up, and I 74 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: realized that that was me with this very white face 75 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: that I was looking at and um and seeing the 76 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: turmoil that was happening in there, and I immediately I 77 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: thought that I must be dead. But I was totally 78 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: calm and unconcerned about that body down there, UM, but 79 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: did have some concern for all my husband and the kids. 80 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: They're in a waiting room, and so I had this 81 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: desire to go to them, to to let them know 82 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: that I was okay. And as soon as I had 83 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: that desire, I began to drift, and I literally drifted 84 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: through the wall of the operating room and out into 85 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: the hallway that they had brought me down after getting 86 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: in the O R suite, And so I went back 87 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: the way I had had come on the stretcher, and 88 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: I just drifted along, drifted through double doors, going into 89 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: the R suite and out into another hallway. And at 90 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: this point I um I suddenly realized that I was 91 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: able to hear the thoughts of people. And I saw 92 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: this man in a brown jacket and pants and UH 93 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: carrying a bag, and he was in a big hurry, 94 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: and he was heading past open elevator doors and toward 95 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: the operating suite, and in his mind I could hear 96 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: him thinking, I've got to get in there. I have 97 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: to get in there fast. I gotta get there as 98 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: soon as I can. I got to get there. And 99 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: at the same time, there was another man that prior 100 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: to this I hadn't been aware of, was closer to 101 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: those operating room doors, and I'm hearing his thoughts of 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: what's that guy doing, thinking he can go in the 103 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: O R. You know he's not loud in there, but 104 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: you know what's he doing. And at that exact same moment, 105 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: another voice from outside my consciousness said to me, look 106 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: at this man. It's important, remember it. And so I 107 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: looked closely at the guy who was rushing, and I 108 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: looked at his facial features and his clothing and everything. 109 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: And as soon as that voice said that to me, 110 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: and I watched him, watched the man open up the 111 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: automatic doors and then go into the O. R suite. 112 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: As soon as he was out of sight, my own 113 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: volition of trying to head toward the waiting room and 114 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: my husband and my kids was gone. And it was 115 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: as though I was on a tractor beam that now 116 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: had me and was moving me rather than me my 117 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: intention moving me, and it began pulling me up through 118 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: the ceiling of that floor and through the area where 119 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: the heat ducks and the wires are, and up to 120 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the next floor, and then through another floor, and up 121 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: through that floor, and finally out completely out of the 122 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: roof of the hospital itself and up into the sky 123 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: up above it, where I could see the mountains in 124 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: the background. They were fairly close to where the hospital was. 125 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: And then after that much of going up in the air, 126 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: which was like easily as high as the mountains. Suddenly 127 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the direction of pull was more lateral, and I was 128 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: going even faster, and I was going very fast over 129 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: the city of Anchorage itself and out towards the water. 130 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: And at just about the point where I would be 131 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: hitting going over the water, instead of being over the water, 132 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: I was then this very dark cave like structure and 133 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: very black and um. And yet I'm calm, I'm perfectly 134 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, comfortable. And at this point it began, I 135 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: began moving much much faster than that, and very far 136 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: in the distance there was just a pin prick of light. 137 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: And because of the speed that I was moving through 138 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: this darkened area, UM, that pin prick of light went 139 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: from being a pin prick to getting bigger and bigger 140 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: and bigger, until the point where I suddenly burst into 141 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: the light, the full light itself. And at that point 142 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: I was enveloped in this unbelievable, indescribable immense love and 143 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: peace and well being and joy and all of the 144 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: adjectives that don't begin to describe it. Actually um, and 145 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: I was just just overwhelmed with this this feeling. And 146 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: also at this point, UM, I thought, oh where am I? 147 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: So I looked down, thinking to look at at the ground, 148 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: and I saw that where I should have feet there 149 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: was no feet, but there was ground, and it was 150 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: a very dry brown ground, and there was rocks, different 151 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: sized rocks all over, and it was just a very 152 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: arid looking spot. And I remember thinking, oh, if I'm 153 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: in Heaven, I didn't expect it to be dry and 154 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: rocky and brown, you know. And then my attention was 155 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: drawn by a telepathic voice that said follow me. And 156 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: as I turned to my left, I saw there was 157 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: a man going up an incline hillside. And as soon 158 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: as I looked and heard that voice inside my head, 159 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: I was immediately right behind him going up this incline, 160 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: so I had time to examine the back of him, 161 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: and I saw that he he had almost black hair, 162 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: quite long, pulled back and tied with a leather tie. 163 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: He had a toga like clothing on that was like 164 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: mid thigh or close above the knee, and he had 165 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: sandals with leather ties that criss crossed wrapped up his calves. 166 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: And my instant thought was, that's not Jesus, because again 167 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I was very I was very much into a fundamentalist 168 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: type of Christian faith at that point in time, so 169 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: I thought I had the answers. I thought I knew 170 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: if I'm dead exactly what should happen and who should 171 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: be there, and that you know it should be absent 172 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: from the audi and present with Christ. So it startled 173 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: me and and it threw me off base, but I 174 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: followed him. So he went up over the lip of 175 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: this inclined area, and when we came up over there, 176 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: then it was an entirely different scene and it was 177 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a gorgeous green meadow. We'll be back in just a 178 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: moment to hear more from Karen. 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I'm Sanders Champlain and 197 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: we're with Karen blance Thomas talking about her n D 198 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: near death experience when she was waking up in a 199 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: meadow filled with flowers, flowers of all different kinds, kinds 200 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: that I didn't ever remember having seen before. But the 201 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: most important thing was I felt that this light that 202 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: was everywhere was also within the grass, within the flowers, 203 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: and it gave the flowers almost a neon light about them, 204 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: and saying with the leaves and the trees, it was 205 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: just stunning. So I was just mesmerized and have been 206 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: taking it in for a period of time because my 207 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: guide had gone on ahead and he again communicated with 208 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: me telepathically and he said, come here, And this was 209 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: across the meadow into the bank of a river, and 210 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: this river was just glistening diamond, beautiful and on the 211 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: opposite bank of this river was my father, who had 212 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: died when I was seven, and my brother who had 213 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: been killed in a car accident when I was twenty three, 214 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: and various aunts and uncles who had passed away, and 215 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: even there were four people that I had never met 216 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: in this life but I instantly knew were my four 217 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: grandparents who had already died before I was born, and 218 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: a whole group of others that you know, were my 219 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: deceased family. How did they look. They they looked young, 220 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: They looked like they were around the same age that 221 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: I was, actually, but it wasn't their looks that made 222 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: me know who they were. It was their spirit was 223 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: able to hate with mine, and we knew each other 224 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: at that depth of who we were and how we were. 225 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: We were family, and it was this huge welcoming homecoming, 226 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, family reunion feeling of oh, wow, she's here. 227 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Isn't it wonderful? She's here? And of course I felt 228 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: the same way, and so I wanted to be across 229 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: that water. I wanted to be with them instantly, and 230 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: my guide said, no, there's something else we have to 231 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: do first, And so I was so disappointed. I really 232 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: wanted to go, but he said, no, somewhere else, we 233 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: have to go first. So I had to follow him, 234 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: and so I went behind dimp down along the bank 235 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: of the river and around a curve and into an 236 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: opening where there was this immense building that was perl 237 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: lescent white at um. It glowed actually so white and glistening, 238 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: and it was like a Roman or Greek temple that 239 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: had all kinds of you know, so many stairs up 240 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: the front and big columns in the front, and it 241 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: was just gorgeous. And there were other people, other spirits 242 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: there um, some going up the stairs, some coming down, 243 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: some in groups talking with one another. Everyone dressed pretty 244 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: much just in simple, flowing, light colored clothing, and some 245 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: My guide went up to the doorway and again said 246 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: follow me, we're going inside. And so I was instantly 247 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: up behind him as he opened the doors, and we 248 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: went into this immense long room that on the sides 249 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: it just went up for stories, and it was completely 250 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: filled with books and scrolls and things. And down through 251 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: the middle of this long room were tables and there 252 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: were people sitting at the tables and were looking at 253 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: at at books. And he said, my guide communicated to 254 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: me this is the place where the Book of Life 255 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: is stored. And that meant something to me from my 256 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: knowledge of the Bible, and I, you know, I thought, 257 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: oh wow, this is amazing, and I wanted to look 258 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: around and explore, and he said, no, we're going to 259 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: another place at the back. So we walked through this 260 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: whole long room and down into a hallway and through 261 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: a doorway into a much smaller room. And in this 262 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: smaller room there was a whole oval area of spirit 263 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: people who were sitting and waiting for us to come in. 264 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: And in the center of this oval, instead of a table, 265 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: there was like what I'd call I compared to like 266 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: a glass bottom boat, because it was like a screen, 267 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: but like you could see through it, like when when 268 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: you're in the glass bottom boat. And and they communicated 269 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: to me that they were the spiritual people who had 270 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: been with me and had helped me plan my lifetime, 271 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: and that now we were going to review what had 272 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: happened in my life up to this point. And so 273 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: at that point in time, this screened area or glass 274 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: bottom boat area, it became like a hologram, and I 275 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: was instantly within the hologram, being myself once again in 276 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: all of the things that had happened in my life 277 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: up to that point, um and more importantly also being people, 278 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: the people I was interacting with, so that I could 279 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: feel what they were feeling because of what I was 280 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: saying to them or how I acted to them, or 281 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: vice versa, you know, how they were acting to me 282 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: and what I was feeling. It was all the feelings 283 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: and the emotions involved in what I had done, when 284 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: I had done things that had made people feel better, 285 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: and when I had done things that had caused people 286 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: to feel hurt and you know, so it was really 287 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: an amazing, powerful experience that seemed to happen just like instantly. 288 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: And though all of the people who were there none 289 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: of them were doing anything but sending me love and support, 290 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: I was feeling bad, you know, looking at my situations 291 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and saying, Oh, why didn't I thusn't such? Oh if 292 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: only I had done this instead of this, you know, 293 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: And if only I had realized when this person did 294 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: this thing to me that hurt me, they weren't really 295 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: meaning to hurt me, or they met it in a 296 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: totally different way than I had taken it. Um. So 297 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: all of that took place very very It seemed like 298 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: very quickly but very intimately and detailed at the same time, 299 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: because time is just kind of not like it is here, 300 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: so it's hard to put it into a time context 301 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: to explain it to someone. Karen, did they make you 302 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: feel better? Yep, And it was all the feeling that 303 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: I was getting from them was that that's fine. You 304 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: know you, that is what life is, and we're just 305 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: showing you this to give you a context more or less, 306 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: and we love you and we know that that you're 307 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: a totally lovable person. And there was never any doubt 308 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: in my mind that I wasn't fully loved and the 309 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: time that I was there. So it's at this point 310 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: in my experience where I have a gap. I know 311 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: something happened, I don't know what, and I have decided 312 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: in the time since that it has to have been 313 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: removed from my memory for a reason, and so not 314 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: sure what happened after this room. But then it picks 315 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: up again and I'm in a totally different spot with 316 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: my guide and he's saying, oh wait, I missed a 317 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: part um with the Life Review. I not only had 318 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: the Life Review portion, but they also communicated to me 319 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: at that point you can stay or you can return 320 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: to your life. And they said, if you return to 321 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: your life, before you decide, we want to show you 322 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: some things through this hologram of what will happen if 323 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: you go back, and some things that may happen if 324 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: you decide to return to your life. And so they 325 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: showed me, and it was all related to me personally. 326 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: It wasn't like the future of the earth or you know, 327 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: anything like that. And so that was the last thing 328 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: that that I have a memory of until the point 329 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: where I'm with my guide in another spot, and in 330 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: this other place, it's a again it's a smaller room, 331 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: but just him and I, and he's saying, I wanted 332 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: to show you what's happening in the hospital. And so 333 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: it was as though I could see down through the 334 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: ceiling of the waiting room that my husband and my 335 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: two kids were in, and I could see the doctor 336 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: who had been operating on me coming to the doorway 337 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: and his scrubs, and my husband getting up from a 338 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: little couch in this waiting room and going over to 339 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: the doorway and standing there by him, and then all 340 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was aware of of my kids 341 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: being there, and then being scared. And then my guide said, 342 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: while you're seeing this, I want to show you those 343 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: prayers of the people that you asked to pray for you, 344 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: and so off to the side, as though it was 345 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: kind of to the side of this up one picture 346 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: that I'm being shown. I see all of these prayers 347 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: rising up, and each of the prayers had its own vibration, 348 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: and so it was like it was being shown to 349 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: me physically like a musical note. So one prayer had 350 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: this musical note, and the next one had another, and 351 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: the next one had another, and they were like linking 352 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: one to another. And then the very closest prayer and 353 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: last prayer that I was shown was my daughter praying 354 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: that I would live because she was afraid I was dead. 355 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: And yea. At that point, I gotta get myself together. 356 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: Oh that's okay, take all the time you need. We 357 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Sharing. All of the emotion of my life 358 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: came back to me where I had been totally calm 359 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: and detached through everything that had happened up to that point. 360 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: It was as though that last prayer kind of linked 361 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: me back into my human Karen emotion and my my 362 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: desire to not have my kids grow up without me 363 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and to be back to be there for them. And 364 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: so it made the decision for me that I needed 365 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: to return to my life and h Once I did 366 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: make that decision, my guide said to me, you will 367 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: have proof, You'll be allowed to have proof that this 368 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: did happen to you and that it was real. But 369 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to remember everything that 370 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: has happened to Hear, Karen, we need to take a 371 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: short break and then we'll let you continue when we 372 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: come back. 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You're not going to 393 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: be able to remember everything that has happened to hear, 394 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: and you won't be allowed to remember the things about 395 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: your future that you were shown because if you did, 396 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: your choices would no longer be your free will. They 397 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: would be colored by what you knew was supposed to 398 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: happen or was going to happen. So you won't remember 399 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: those things. Um, but yes you can return and so 400 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 1: at That's the last thing I remember until I was 401 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: waking up in the recovery room and my husband and 402 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: my kids were beside the stretcher with me, And instantly 403 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: as I woke up, I was completely in filled with 404 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: all that immense love and peace, and that pure knowing 405 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: that God loved me so much and that I was 406 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: so important and I was so safe, and it filled me, 407 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: and it also filled an area around me like a 408 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: protective bubble. And I knew that, and I remembered all 409 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: of my experience, and I knew immediately that that was 410 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: my proof that it actually had happened, um because otherwise, 411 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't ever experienced anything like that before, 412 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: and there it was, along with the memory of what 413 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: had just taken place, and so that was that was 414 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: really very neat. And then later in the hospital in recovery, 415 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: one day, as after I got out of intensive care, 416 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: this doctor came in to follow up with me, and 417 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: as he walked in the room, I realized that he 418 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: was the doctor that I or the person that I 419 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: had seen running towards the our room when I was 420 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: out of body, and so I knew that's why it 421 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: was important for me to look at him and to 422 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: remember him, because that was an other proof for me 423 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: as well that it had actually happened. And in fact, 424 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: later on when I went to a follow up appointment 425 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: with him, I talked to him and I said, the 426 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: day that my surgery happened. This is what I saw, 427 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, I actually was able to be out of 428 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: my body, and I saw you coming in, you know, 429 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: and rushing towards those doors. And I said, you were 430 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: wearing just regular clothes of brown jacket and stuff, and 431 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: and is that what really happened? And he said yes, 432 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: he said, I wasn't in on call in the hospital. 433 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: I was at my office and they paged me at 434 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: my office stat to come in to see if I 435 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: was going to be able to save your life. And 436 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: so he said, yes, that's that's what happened. I came 437 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: from outside the hospital. That's incredible, And good for you 438 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: for sharing your story, because I think so many people 439 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: are afraid to share what happened. Yeah, I was afraid. 440 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: To the original doctor who operated on me. I never 441 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: did tell him about what happened. And this particular doctor, 442 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: partly because I wanted to verify again because I'm I'm 443 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: that type of a person, but also because he was 444 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: so kind and so personable that I thought, well, he 445 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: may laugh at me. He may, you know, say now 446 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: that that doesn't have anything to do with what really happened. 447 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: But I knew that it would be gentle even if 448 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: he did did because he just was that type of 449 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: a person, you could trust him. Yeah, I could trust him. So. Um. 450 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: So that was my experience, and um uh it's for 451 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: a very long time after that it was pretty difficult 452 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: because a lot of what I had firmly believed in 453 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: thought that I knew in terms of religion and you know, 454 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: being saved or not being saved and what heaven must 455 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: be or whatnot not be, it just no longer fit 456 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: with my actual experience, and so integrating back into my 457 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: life was was difficult for quite a while. Yeah. There's 458 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: lots of stories that I hear, great stories of people 459 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: that have these near death experiences and while they may 460 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: be great while they experienced them, when they get back 461 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: life is not so great. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough, um 462 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: because you know, people don't believe you when you you know, 463 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: when you tell them about what happened, I think you 464 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: hallucinated or they they just kind of give you that's 465 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: all right, dear, you know, or did for a long time. 466 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: I should say, people are a lot more different now 467 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: than they were. And since I've found irons, you know, 468 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: and National Association for Near Death Studies, which happens to 469 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: be headquartered not far from where I am here where 470 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: we retired to, which I know at the time we 471 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: retired here. Um, it's been very different for me and 472 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: I Yeah, a lot of things have changed over my life. 473 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: Really great. Let me ask you, Karen, when you had 474 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: your experience, how clear was your vision and you're hearing um, 475 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: extremely clear, much more clear than I'm a person who 476 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: has been near sighted from the time I was like 477 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: I got my first glasses when I was seven, and 478 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: so without my glasses, I can't see my hand in 479 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: front of my face hardly, but everything was crystal clear. 480 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: And the ability to almost be able to look through 481 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: a microscope, if you if you know what I mean. 482 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Like when I was told to pay attention to this 483 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: man this is important. I was able to zero in 484 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: and his facial features and you know what he was 485 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: wearing and who he was, you know, up close without 486 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: actually being up close. It was like I wanted to 487 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: see it close. I could see it close, you know. 488 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: And that was the way everything was. When I was 489 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: looking at the flowers, when I was looking at all 490 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: of the different things that I could see, I could 491 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: see them in much closer vibrant detail than I ever 492 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: could have without my glasses. Here. I'd love stories like 493 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: this because I know there have been blind people that 494 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: have never had vision yet can see when they have 495 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: a near death experience. Ken Ring did so many studies 496 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: on that and even wrote a book about it. They 497 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: can see faces, colors. It's just incredible. Also, Karen, you 498 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: tell this story like it happened yesterday. How clear does 499 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: the memory survive thirty five years later? Um? Definitely more 500 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: clear than pretty much anything else, because it's it's a memory, 501 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's more than a memory, because each time 502 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: you tell it, a portion of your consciousness is literally 503 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: reliving it, and it's that detailed. Whereas if you asked 504 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: me if I went into the hospital that I worked 505 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: in an anchorage, what would be which direction would I 506 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: turn to go to the physical therapy department that I 507 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: worked in thirty five years ago? I literally could not 508 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: tell you that. I don't remember it that well. I 509 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: don't remember where where the doctor's office was that I 510 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: went to. When I did say to him, this is 511 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: what happened, can you confirm it? I remember, you know 512 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: his response that it was like, how did could you 513 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: know that and yes, that's what happened. But to tell 514 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: you how did I drive from where I lived an 515 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: Eagle River to where his office was, I don't remember 516 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: that that well anymore. So it's it's on a totally 517 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: different plane of memory than any other experience. Every single 518 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: person I've spoken with that has had a near death 519 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: experience is very similar. They say it's crystal clear, like 520 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: it just happened yesterday, and they can remember each and 521 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: every step. I had talked to a woman in her 522 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: eighties and she had had a near death experience when 523 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: she was five or seven years old, and the memory 524 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: is still crystal clear. Yeah. Absolutely. And one of the 525 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: things that's recently happened because of um my interaction with 526 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 1: some of the scientists and researchers UM in near death 527 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: experiences and people who have spoken at at the conferences, 528 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: there's a great deal of study that's been going into 529 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: where does the consciousness that happens in a near death 530 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: experience come from? If the brain is not functional, and 531 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: if you accept the scientific explanation that all consciousness is 532 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: produced by the brain, how is that possible? And so 533 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: in thinking about that in depth, I realized, and I 534 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: shared this with a couple of the researchers who found 535 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: it very, very interesting and important. I realized that when 536 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: I became conscious in the recovery room that, as I 537 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: just explained to you, my memory of what I had 538 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: just taken place with my near death experience was crystal clear, 539 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: was just absolutely right there, plus with that whole bubble 540 00:37:51,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: of love and peace. But my consciousness of myself, my 541 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: physical body and what had just taken place was very 542 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: muddled because I was coming out of anesthesia, and so 543 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I was so muddled that I knew I was in 544 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: the hospital. I knew that, you know, I was in 545 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: a recovery room, but I couldn't I wasn't sure what 546 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: had happened to me that made me be in the 547 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: hospital and in a recovery room. I wasn't remembering that 548 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: my my back was being operated on because I had 549 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: a ruptured disc and I had a big bloated stomach 550 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: with staples all down the front of it. And my 551 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: first feeling was, well, did I just have a baby? Um, 552 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: as I had this pain in my stomach, I know hospital, 553 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: I mean, So what I figured out was that I 554 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: was operating with two different consciousness is at the same time, 555 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: and then I realized that when I was in the 556 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: operating room, the consciousness that was run by my brain 557 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: was unconscious. It was under anesthesia, and only my consciousness 558 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: that I was operating through during my near death experience 559 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: was operational. And when I came back into my body, 560 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: both were there initially, one very modeled, one very clear. 561 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: And that has been real interesting to some of the 562 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: scientists that are working on the fact that they truly 563 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: believe that not all consciousness is generated by the brain 564 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: um and that there is consciousness to be able to 565 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: be operating for you when the brain is not operational 566 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: at all. It's time for a quick break. We'll we'll 567 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: be back in just a moment. 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Teach 602 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: your children the basic safety rules of the virtual world. 603 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: Our children are everything to everything for them. You're listening 604 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am 605 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network. Check out all our shows on the 606 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you find 607 00:42:44,560 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 608 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and Or with Karen blance Thomas sharing 609 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,839 Speaker 1: her near death experience. Karen, it seems like you've had 610 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: so many fascinating experiences within this one experience, and another 611 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: fascinating thing at least has been to me for a 612 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: long time after my near death experience. Of course, I 613 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: was trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. 614 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: In terms of trying to fit my experience into classical 615 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: traditional Christianity, and as I would do so, anytime I 616 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: was in church and there was scripture relating to punishment 617 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: in hell or just sin and punishment and judgment, all 618 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: of those things, I would have a sensation of grating 619 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: against my spirit of this is not what I truly experienced, 620 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 1: and so it was really difficult. I knew God was real, 621 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: I knew Jesus was real, but I also knew that 622 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: messages that were being presented as representing God and Jesus 623 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: were not what I had actually experienced of being in 624 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: that afterlife, and so I had a very hard time 625 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: with that, and I began to turn to learning other 626 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: forms of spirituality and looking at other faiths and looking 627 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: at what were the foundational truths that were present in 628 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: all different areas and what things were not the same. 629 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: For a while, I I stepped away from the church completely, 630 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: which was really difficult for my family and for my 631 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: my marital relationship. Although I have to say I'm one 632 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: of the very few, um when not very few, but 633 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: I think statistics show the seventies some percent of people 634 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: who are married when they have a near death experience 635 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: end up in divorce, and that's because you truly are 636 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: a different person than the person that they chose to marry. Now, 637 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: so are there elements of who you are that remain 638 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: that are solid enough to keep a relationship together or 639 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: not depends on the individual, I think, and I've been 640 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 1: very fortunate that although my husband and I did separate 641 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: for a period of time, we worked and came back together, 642 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,880 Speaker 1: and he came to know that the changes in me 643 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: were not making me totally different person than who I was. 644 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: They were just an expansion, I guess, and a growth 645 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 1: that I hadn't had prior to that point. So that 646 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: was interesting. But in my spirituality, I also learned about meditation, 647 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: and that was a tremendous help to me too, because 648 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: I had so many questions and felt like I didn't 649 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: have places to turn for elaboration on what I had 650 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: experienced and other than reading other books from other people, 651 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: which back in nine two there were not nearly as 652 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: many of So one of the questions that kept haunting 653 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: me a lot was who was my guide? Who was 654 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: that person that I knew Jesus you know? So in meditation, 655 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: over time I came to be able to get deep 656 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: enough in meditation to be able to ask to reconnect 657 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: with the guide who had been in my near death experience. 658 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: And so eventually he actually showed himself to me again 659 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: and as he had looked in my near death experience 660 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: and said, I'm a spiritual guide. I'm your spiritual guide. 661 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: That's why I was in your near death experience with you. 662 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: And he said, my name is Carlos, and I lived 663 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: a lifetime on earth with you thousands of years ago 664 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: in South America. And this all was downloaded to me 665 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 1: in this deep meditation. And then it was a few 666 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: weeks after that meditation that I attended a consciousness conference 667 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: here in Raleigh, North Carolina. And in between sessions of 668 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: this consciousness conference, which was fascinating and so interesting to me, um, 669 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: there was a lady talking and a couple of people 670 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: standing around her in between the sessions, and I was 671 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: drawn to her for some reason. And she was talking 672 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: about how she was a healing touch teacher and practitioner 673 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: and that she had just returned from Peru where she 674 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: had been teaching healing touch two local people in that 675 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: area and then also visiting sacred sites while she was there, 676 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: and in the course of her conversation telling people this 677 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: She said that one day she had been planning to 678 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: go to this sacred site and the transportation fell through, 679 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: but she said, this young man who was from Argentina 680 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: and attending the conference, said well, he knew where it was, 681 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: and you know, he wouldn't mind taking her, and so 682 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: um she agreed and they went to the sacred site. 683 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960 Speaker 1: And she said she had been so impressed by this 684 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: young man all through the conference because he just was 685 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: had such a strong spiritual presence about him and was 686 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: so natural at the healing touch and everything. And when 687 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: they got to this sacred site, you know, she said 688 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: that she had a vision of having lived in the 689 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: time of that site and him also being there, and 690 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: she said, I was so impressed that she says, I've 691 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: decided to have him come to my holistic center here 692 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: and Raleigh and get more advanced you know, give him 693 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: more advanced training. So she said, next week, Carlos is 694 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: going to become So at this point I burst into tears, 695 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: you know, when she's looking at who's this strange lady 696 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: standing here bursting into tears. So I told her my 697 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: near death story. I told her my meditation story, and 698 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: she says, oh, I've got a picture of him on 699 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: my phone? Can I show it to you? And so 700 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: she brought up the picture of him on the phone 701 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: and it was my spiritual gud, I mean, other than 702 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: being in modern clothes. It was yeah. And then she 703 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: showed me the picture of the site that they had visited, 704 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: and it was exactly like where I first came out 705 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: of the cave like tunnel area and my near death experience, 706 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: and it was this dry, rocky ground and stuff. It 707 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: was exactly like that. So I told her that, you know, 708 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: when we had come up over this incline area, that 709 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: it was suddenly totally different and it was lush and green, 710 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: and she says, that's exactly what it's like at Caral 711 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520 Speaker 1: Soupe is the name of the site, um, she said, 712 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: because it's down in an area where it's very dry, 713 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: but then up over as you come up and out 714 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,320 Speaker 1: of it. She said, it's very close to the ocean, 715 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: and the breezes in the and the moisture that comes 716 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: off the ocean make it all very green and lush 717 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: just outside of that area. So I got to meet 718 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: him when he came to Raleigh, and he had this 719 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: immense connection as I did to him and he said, 720 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand this or you know, have any memory 721 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,839 Speaker 1: of your near death experience or anything. But he said, 722 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: I just I know what you're telling me is true 723 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: and that there is a connection. Oh that is so great. 724 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: We can't even begin to know how things work. I'm 725 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: glad you brought up meditation, and because there's so much 726 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: value in quieting the mind, going in being still. In fact, 727 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: one of my friends recently told me, you know the 728 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: quote don't just sit there, do something? He changed it 729 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: to don't just do something sit there. I also love 730 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: when you spoke about your guides helping us plan what 731 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 1: we're going to learn while we're here. Yeah, And since 732 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,919 Speaker 1: that time, particularly after I met car the Carlos, I 733 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 1: was just so blown away because I thought, I'm thinking 734 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: in linear time, you know, and I'm I actually asked 735 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,759 Speaker 1: him when were you born, you know, and how old 736 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: are you now? And and I figured out that at 737 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: the time that I had my near death experience, he 738 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: was literally two years old, and so he was already 739 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: born here on earth. And I thought, how can that 740 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: possibly be? You know, how can he be my spiritual guide? 741 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: And I have been two years old when my near 742 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking all this linear time thing, and then I 743 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: was directed to um the books by Michael Newton. Have 744 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: you heard of The Journey of Soul, Journey of Souls right, 745 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: and Destiny of Souls? And so I began reading those books, 746 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: and sure enough I found in a section and I 747 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: think it was his second book, where he talked about 748 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: the fact um that when people choose to incarnate on Earth, 749 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: they don't take their entire soul spiritual essence with them. 750 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: They a portion of it remains on the other side, 751 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: and that it's also possible for a person to be 752 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: have their spiritual guide actually incarnate in the same lifespan 753 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: time frame of the person that they're a spiritual guide to, 754 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: because the portion of their spirit that's still on the 755 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: other side can fully be their spiritual guide, you know, 756 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 1: not restricted by time in any way, and yet they 757 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: can incarnate as a totally new person and come in 758 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,080 Speaker 1: contact with, you know, the person that they're a spiritual 759 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: guide for. And then he gave some examples of people 760 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: where they had taken place, and he said, sometimes they 761 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: only meet one another in passing. Sometimes they have an 762 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: important thing that they serve for that person, and in 763 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: other times they're very intimately involved in the person's life, 764 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,839 Speaker 1: and so that really answered that unsolvable muddle. Oh. I 765 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: do believe most of our lives are an unsolvable muddle, 766 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: and just maybe we'll have access to the bigger picture 767 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,240 Speaker 1: when it's our time to depart this earth. Karen, thank 768 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: you so much for being our guest today. Oh, you're 769 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: very welcome. And to you fabulous listeners, thank you so 770 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: much for listening today. You know, there's so much we 771 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: can learn from the near death experiences, things like the 772 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 1: life review. How many things can we deal with while 773 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: we're still here instead of waiting until we review them 774 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: on the other side, make amends now, forgive yourself. That's 775 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: all good things to do. Also, if you are interested, 776 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,279 Speaker 1: we brought up the website i ANS dot org. There's 777 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 1: also a good website called end DIRF dot org that's 778 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: the Near Death Experience Research Foundation where there are over 779 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: forty hundred experiences. Our home base is the same name 780 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,839 Speaker 1: as my book We Don't Die, and you can also 781 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: go to Sandra Champlaine dot com takes you to the 782 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: same place. We have so many upcoming great things all 783 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:56,320 Speaker 1: about the afterlife. So in closing my name is Sandra Champlain. 784 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 785 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 786 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 787 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 788 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: listening to the Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 789 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,960 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network.