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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number two eleven

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Speaker 1: and to in the show, Spencer, Dan and I are

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Speaker 1: celebrating spring turkey hunting season by sharing a few of

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Speaker 1: our latest turkey exploits and answering listeners submitted turkey hunting questions.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to another episode of the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear. And

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Speaker 1: today on the show, we're doing our what's kind of

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Speaker 1: become like our annual Turkey episode and joining me we

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Speaker 1: got my buddy Dan Johnson and Spencer new Hearth. Thanks

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Speaker 1: guys for making this happen. We're recording late today because Dan,

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Speaker 1: You've got a sick kid again. Feel like this happens

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Speaker 1: every week. Kids, the kids. What are you doing with

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Speaker 1: these kids that they're constantly in the infirmary? Uh, you

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Speaker 1: gotta work them. I mean that's how you build up

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Speaker 1: their tolerance. Like you know, clean out the garage and

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Speaker 1: start you know, start the yard work and you know,

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Speaker 1: vacuum and do all the chores that I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do. That's why, kid, That's why people have kids. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and so it's the fact that they're slightly overworked that

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Speaker 1: they're under the weather. Now, yeah, it could be that's

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Speaker 1: their fault. They're not conditioned for it. You're such a

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Speaker 1: great role model from his parents. How not to raise

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Speaker 1: kids is the book that I would Yeah, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I was on baby duty tonight because my wife was

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Speaker 1: playing on a volleyball tournament. So I had to bathe

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Speaker 1: him and change him and feed him and put him

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Speaker 1: down all my own and I managed. Yeah, I managed

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Speaker 1: to do it with no major emergencies or issues. So

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Speaker 1: I'm giving myself a pad in the back. Um, Spencer,

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Speaker 1: still no kids for you, huh No, no surprises yet,

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Speaker 1: still no kids. If one show would all that would

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Speaker 1: be the case. So yeah, yeah, hey, speaking of uh well,

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Speaker 1: not really speaking of anything, but before we get into

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Speaker 1: anything of real substance, I was just reminded. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why this reminded me of this, um, but I

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Speaker 1: of like housekeeping before we dove into turkeys. Um, because

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Speaker 1: Tuesday May in Detroit, I'm gonna be at a back

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Speaker 1: country Hunters and Anglers camp fire storytelling event. Um. So

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Speaker 1: these things have been uh starting to pop up across

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Speaker 1: b h A Rendezvous in Boise, Idaho two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: at the Big Rendezvous event. Um. But we've got one

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Speaker 1: in Detroit at the Philson Store in Detroit, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be one of the storytellers there spinning the yarn

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Speaker 1: of some sort. I'm not what story or what stories

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Speaker 1: is going to be, like I said, Tuesday, the first

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Speaker 1: forty tickets sold are going to be invited to like

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Speaker 1: a v I P meet and greet with the storytellers

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Speaker 1: such as myself and others. Um. That's gonna be at

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Speaker 1: the Philson Store from five thirty to six thirty, and

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Speaker 1: But just in case you're not, that's my promo for

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Speaker 1: bunch of stories turkey ding stories because I know that

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Speaker 1: Dan you've got some new stories, and Spencer you've got

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Speaker 1: you guys read the book The Tenth Legion by Tom Kelly.

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Speaker 1: I'm not no, have you either of you heard of it? Nope? No, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like the holy text of turkey hunting.

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Speaker 1: This is the author talking about turkey, and he said,

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Speaker 1: the first turkey that ever came to me on the

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Speaker 1: hammering so hard. I couldn't understand why he could not

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Speaker 1: spring had exactly the same effect. And the day that

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Speaker 1: I quit. That's quote number one. Now here's the second

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Speaker 1: thing he says about turkey hunting. And there he's talking

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Speaker 1: But here, here he is talking about those that are

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Speaker 1: he will exult in periods of piercing rapture previously understood

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Speaker 1: but of compulsion. This is painfully evident in my own case.

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Speaker 1: totally get that. And what about you, Spencer, do you

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Speaker 1: Um And and that's almost just as much fun, just

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Speaker 1: like being in it is what I love. So Spencer,

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Speaker 1: your turkey of the of the year story. Well, it

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Speaker 1: came on probably I think it was my Fiit hunt.

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Speaker 1: It was with my bow. Um. And so this fifth

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Speaker 1: at that moment, Spencer when you hear that first one

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Speaker 1: So UM, and I'm not the best caller ever when

428
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: it comes to turkey calls, and so you know, so

429
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: instead of going out later that night, I basically just

430
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: hung around played with the kids. It was such a

431
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: beautiful day out, you know, as one of those days

432
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: where you can feel the warmth. Finally spring has, you know,

433
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: made it here. So I basically just yeah, hung outside

434
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: and played. Man. It was just it was really fun.

435
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Um had a good meal with them, had a good

436
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: meal with the fam, my mom and stepdad and UM

437
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: just hung out. Went to bed that night. The middle

438
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: of the night, my son wakes up and he is

439
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: breathing really really weird. He's going like, I'm like, oh no,

440
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: not pneumonia again, because he had pneumonia. And I'm just like,

441
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, not not trying to act selfishly,

442
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh my god, it's over right.

443
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to hang out

444
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: here with him, you know, that's what a dad does.

445
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: So we gave him some tile and all. He settled down.

446
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: His breathing kind of went back to normal, his temperature

447
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: went away, and I was just like, man, this is weird.

448
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: So I went back to sleep. My alarm went off,

449
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: so I went over to my wife, who was sleeping.

450
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I was like, so, what do you want me to do?

451
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I if we have to go back home, I still

452
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: have to go out and get the blind because I

453
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: don't want to leave it up over, you know, until

454
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: who knows when I'm going to be back, and with

455
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: all the theft problems that I've been having on the property,

456
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave it up there for potentially

457
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: a month. So my wife's like, just go hunt and

458
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: then if as soon as you know, whenever whatever happens,

459
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: pack it up and then we'll go. Well, I get

460
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: a text, so so anyway, I I leave, I go

461
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: and I go to the blind. I get a text.

462
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: My son's up and he's doing fine. Right, so there's

463
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: no problem. Well, the turkeys weren't going as crazy as

464
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: they were the the day before, the morning before, but

465
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: they were more responsive. So I would call, they would answer.

466
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I would call, they were answered, and they were roughly

467
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: in the same spot. So typically they are across this

468
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: this valley. They roosted up on these big oak trees

469
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: and then they pitched down to the bottom and they

470
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: work their way up to this cattle pasture. And I

471
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: was calling, responding, calling, responding. I heard him fly down.

472
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: Call a little bit, respond, call a little bit. Respond.

473
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: It quieted down just for a minute, and all this happened,

474
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: you know, like ten minutes, right. And this is my

475
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: absolute favorite part of turkey hunting is when you can

476
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: hear them strut before you can see them or before

477
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: they gobble, so you're you're hearing that mm hmmmm. And

478
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: he gobbled that for the first time. I don't know

479
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: if he saw me walk in, and that's why he

480
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't gobble out of the roost. But this bird came

481
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: from a completely different direction, and he hammered at about

482
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: fifty yards and it's one of those where you get

483
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: these this team goal up your you know, up your back,

484
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: you're really fired up. I'm in a blind and I froze,

485
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: like he can see me through the blind, you know

486
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if I move now, he's gonna

487
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: he's gonna see me. But I was in a blind,

488
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: So so he called once and I couldn't see him, right,

489
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: I'm slowly slowly leaning my head out of the blind,

490
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: and so I don't see him. I don't see him

491
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: any he but I can still hear the boom and

492
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: then you can hear him strut and drag his tips

493
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: of his wings in the leaves right making that noise.

494
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: It's just and it's not windy, so it's perfect. You

495
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: know he's there, but you can't see him. So I

496
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: get out. I put my gun down, I get out

497
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: my slate call that I've had for like ten or

498
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Man, it's one of the first slate calls

499
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: ever bought. And it was just a He goes again,

500
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: and he's like thirty yards from the blind this time,

501
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: and I I look out and I can see his

502
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: head in his end um and he's in full strut.

503
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: He comes out of full strut and he's trying to

504
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: make his way through the fence to my decoys that

505
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: are out in the cattle pasture. So he finally found him,

506
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: and and I'm like, I am not set up for

507
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: this because my window was into the timber with the

508
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: blind and so I had to go to the side.

509
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I had to open the blind. Um it's like a

510
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: big t zipper, so the zipper runs up and then

511
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: out and then that it all folds down. So I

512
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: had to go up to the top and open like

513
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: four inches over and four inches down. And I took

514
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: the twenty gage and I stuck it out the window,

515
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: and he made his way through the through the fence,

516
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: and he took maybe five steps and boom. And I

517
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: don't like if I was to spine a deer right

518
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: and just hit his off button, I would never laugh

519
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: at it. For some reason, I don't. But when you

520
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: shoot a turkey and you shoot him good and you

521
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: know they're dead, there's a little part of me that laughs.

522
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: And I know this sounds bad, but he just went

523
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: and this like no flopping, like just no flopping I

524
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: hit him with the full load and he shut off.

525
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: And I was just like I I was on cloud nine,

526
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Like if I had tap dance shoes on, i'd be

527
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: I would have been tap dancing in the timber, you know.

528
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: I was like singing songs and I was just like

529
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. It turned. It turned everything

530
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: that was bad in life good at that moment. And

531
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't know it was. It was. It was a

532
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: good beard man, twenty six pounds, the longest longest spurs

533
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I've ever had on a turkey at an inch in

534
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: three sixteenth and he had a ten inch beard, which

535
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: is above average for what I typically shoot. So uh,

536
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: great great bird. And when I was going to clean

537
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: him out, he had a spur from another bird wedged

538
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: in his one of his breasts that was broken off.

539
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: That is crazy. I saw you post that. That's awesome. Yeah.

540
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 1: I wish I would have taken a picture of it

541
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: because it looked like it had been there for a month.

542
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: So there was it was about oh a penny maybe

543
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: a nickel size fester, and I was digging in it

544
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: because I'm like, what is that? And I pulled this

545
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: hard thing out of it. I got a needle nose

546
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: plier pulled this hard thing out of it, kind of

547
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: shook it off, and it was the tip of another spur,

548
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, I've never seen that before. I've

549
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: seen birds who have been shot and then they get

550
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: that fester and you pretty much can't even use the breast.

551
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: So I just cut that little piece off and threw it,

552
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: threw it away and and saved the rest of the meat.

553
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: But man, just you know, there's this song by a

554
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: band called the Nappy Roots, and it's called like good

555
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Day and it's gonna be a good day and all

556
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: my problem is gonna go away. And that song was

557
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: just played in my head, and I don't know, it

558
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: was a good days. The turk hunt's alve out right there. Man.

559
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Then they did the thing like they did the thing

560
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: for me. I just wanted to do that thing. That's cool.

561
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get to bill to go out anymore

562
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: and take your wife out, try your hair bird or anything. Man.

563
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: I went out and I took her to I went

564
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: back home. So I shot my bird at six thirty five,

565
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: six is right. So I the after I shot this bird,

566
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: and I took two minutes to celebrate its life, you know,

567
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: and think, you know, like, man, this is awesome. I

568
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: get to do with this. I shut down my celebration,

569
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: I shut down my blind I got I pulled my

570
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: truck back that there, packed everything up, went back to

571
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: the house, got my wife because my son was feeling

572
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: better at this point. We went out to the second

573
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: place that we always go and when she shuts the

574
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: door and we had to the tailgate to load the

575
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: gun and pack up, we heard a gobble and I'm like,

576
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: this bird is right where we are gonna go. That's

577
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: gonna be money. She's gonna you know, she's gonna get

578
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: a bird today too. So we went. We walked over there,

579
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: set up and it was the same bird man that

580
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: was hend up the day before. And we called and

581
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: he gobbled. We called and he gobbled, and he didn't

582
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: get any closer, and finally he shut off, and uh

583
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: we we bounced around to a couple more spots. But

584
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: then ultimately this was on a Sunday, so we had to,

585
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: uh we had to go back and uh get the

586
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: kids and head back home because the three day vacation

587
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: was over. Anymore weekends you can go, no, because we

588
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: we get second season shotguns. So I think tomorrow is

589
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: the last day. And I work, and she works, and

590
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the kids, who knows they're gonna be feeling better at all?

591
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: So are My turkey season every year is three days.

592
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I I give myself three days to get it done because, like,

593
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: like you guys know, I man, my elk hunting and

594
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: my white tail hunting this year are taking priorities along

595
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: with whatever other family vacations that we take. Um, so no,

596
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: it's it's three days for us, short and sweeten, you

597
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: got it done. Yep, absolutely, And it's so much fun. Man.

598
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: It's like, like like we all said earlier, I take

599
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: deer hunting really serious, but I'll punish myself if I

600
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: make a mistake in the deer woods. But if I

601
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: make a mistake in the turkey woods, man, I don't care.

602
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I like I I honestly don't even care if I

603
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: kill a bird. I'm just out there, like Spencer said,

604
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: just to have a good time. Yeah, I agree, it's

605
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: it's so much lower pressure but a ton of fun.

606
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Um and and and I don't hunt turkeys, like you said,

607
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: not nearly as obsessively, not nearly as much. But sometimes

608
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: I wish, you know, some guys that take it really seriously,

609
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: like this guy Tom Kelly, who wrote those quotes I

610
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You know, guys hunt all spring, like two

611
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: months straight, all sorts of states. That would be a

612
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: ton of fun. Like sometimes I wish I could just

613
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: take like two or three weeks and just go from

614
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: state to state to state and just chase birds, because

615
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure be high action. I mean, you're just it's

616
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: different than deer hunting. Lots of times you might deer

617
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: hunt for a rut week or whatever, and or of

618
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: that week might be you know, nothing monotonous, you know,

619
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: just being patient, waiting it out for something to happen.

620
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: While turkey hunting, it's almost always, not always, but almost

621
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: always action. Um it's a it's a good time. I've

622
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: never done it, but I certainly tried to extend my

623
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: turkey season as much as I can. I only get

624
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: one tag in Michigan, but I usually try to go

625
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: to Ohio for at least a day or two and

626
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: then and then every year anyone I can convince to

627
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: to let me go with them and call for them

628
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: or something, I do that. So so this year, like

629
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: I said, I'm taking a bunch of different people. So

630
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get a salad. Like four weeks

631
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: the turkey hunting in this year, not not obviously hunting

632
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: every day, but getting out different several days a week,

633
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: going out with different people and stuff. And like I said,

634
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: I haven't got to actually go yet. Um, but I

635
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: did have a cool turkey experience the other day. UM.

636
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: On Sunday, I took my son on his first turkey

637
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: hunt quote unquote turkey hunt. UM. I bundled them up

638
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: firstly in the morning. He woke up Sunday morning and

639
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: I opened the door and let the dogs out, and

640
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: it was nice and warm out and I stood out

641
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: there waiting for the dog to take a dump, and

642
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: I heard a turkey gobble off the distance. I was like, oh,

643
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: it's on. So I went and grabbed Everett. There was

644
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: jacket on, grabbed a call and went out into the

645
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: backyard and went to the end of the yard, back

646
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: at the edge of the cornfield, and I just started yelping.

647
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: And then I was like, good a little. I had

648
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: three different gobblers going crazy, and because I was like

649
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: all right, so I just held Everett on one side

650
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: and he's looking at me with these big eyes, like,

651
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: what is this noise my dad's making? And and I

652
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: called these gobblers over towards the house and had one

653
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: of them actually come over the hill into view. And

654
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: obviously ever had no idea what was going on, but

655
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool to me actually being out there

656
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: with my son for the very first time, um with

657
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Tyrakese goblin. So that was a proud dad moment. And uh.

658
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: And then the next day I did go to this

659
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: property that I'm a new property that I'm gonna be

660
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: hunting in a couple of weeks with some folks, and um,

661
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: got out there, like I woke up at four in

662
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: the morning in my house, It's a two hour drive

663
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: this property. So I barreled out there four in the morning,

664
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: got there like just a daybreak, snuck out to this

665
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: little high point in the It's kind of where three

666
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: different fences fence roles all come together and you can

667
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: see into three different fence or sorry, you can see

668
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: into three different fields from this high point. And so

669
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: I sat there for the morning, did just a couple

670
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: of yelps just to try to get some stuff to

671
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: talk to hear where they might be roosted, and heard

672
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: a few birds roosted off in one direction, not quite

673
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: when I was I was hoping. I was thinking this

674
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: place would be loaded with them, um, but I heard

675
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: just one or two off in one corner. But after

676
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: like the first hour, maybe half hour hour, one bird

677
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: came out into the field, one nice big gobbler, and

678
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: then I saw like three four or five hens over there,

679
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: and then three jakes came out over there. And then

680
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: while I was watching them, I turned to look the

681
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: other direction, to the one of his other fields. I

682
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: see two gobblers come off the opposite hill over there,

683
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: and they start walking my direction, and then they come

684
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: through and then they disappear. And then that initial gobbler

685
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: walks all the way up towards me. And I had

686
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: just called, like I said, a few yelps kind of

687
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: right when I got there in the morning. He came

688
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: all the way to like within like thirty yards of

689
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: me and walked past, and I just watched him do

690
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: his thing. And you know how they get when they

691
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: think there should be hens somewhere nearby, but they can't

692
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: see it. He's stopped and he'd stick his neck up

693
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: and just spinning his turn his head in all directions,

694
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: looking looking looking nothing. That he'd walk ten yards and stopped,

695
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: put his head back up. Look look look. Um. That

696
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: was kind of fun because usually in that kind of

697
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: situation I would be shooting that bird, um, so that

698
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: would be end and ended. But in this case, it's

699
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: kind of like passing on a buck. I just got

700
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: to watch him do his thing up close, which was

701
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: fun and uh. And then two more gobblers came tearing

702
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: over from the third field over my direction, so I

703
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: saw like six different gobblers from that spot in the

704
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: first hour and a half or two hours a day.

705
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: And then I spent the rest of the day scouting

706
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: for white tails, and over the course of my walkings

707
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: and ramblings, I bumped into two other groups of three

708
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: gobblers strutting around with hens and stuff. So that was

709
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: fun just to see him and hear him and get

710
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: to get my blood pumped and primed for the rest

711
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: of the season. So that was my start to turkey hunt.

712
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: And then this weekend I'm gonna take my nephew up,

713
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll have a good turkey story to come

714
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: from that. Um. It's exciting stuff. I love it. And

715
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: now I think would be a good time for a

716
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: quick word from our partners at white Tail Properties. This

717
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: week with white Tail Properties, we are joined by Tim Woods,

718
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: a land specialist out of central Ohio, and Tim is

719
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: going to be telling us about how to better understand

720
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: what the deer hunting neighborhood is like around a potential property. Well,

721
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I guess there's there's a couple

722
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: different ways to look at it. If you're a nonresident

723
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: looking to buy out of states. Um, you've got to

724
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: trust your trust, your agent, you know us with white

725
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: Tail Properties, UM, this is what we do. UM. You know,

726
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: it's the fact that you know, I'm here in Ohio.

727
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I've got my territory. Um. You know, I've got a

728
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: fairly large territory. But I'm pretty well grounded. And what

729
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: pockets of areas are good, you know, I mean great

730
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: word Ohio. Not everywhere in Ohio is good or even

731
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: the given states that you're looking for. So you've got

732
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: a trust, you trust your agents, um, and and let

733
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: them do the legwork for you. UM. And don't be

734
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: scared to walk properties, talk to neighbors, UM. And you know,

735
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: look at bragging boards and so forth, and that you know,

736
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: social media is a great way a lot of people.

737
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people like to talk about

738
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: their big deer. So you can get out there and

739
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: uh kind of scratch the surface a little bit and see,

740
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: um what a what a particular area is like, how

741
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: much pressure it gets, how many hunters are there. But

742
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: I would say that the biggest thing would be the

743
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: trust your agent, um when it comes to you know,

744
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: a high quality area. Um, you know, there's always gonna

745
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: be those areas where you have big landowners and very

746
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: little hunting pressure and guys that are killing high caliber deer.

747
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: So you know, again back to just trust your agent

748
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: and uh let them do the legwork for you and uh,

749
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, put some boots on the ground, walk some

750
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: properties and go from there. If you'd like to learn

751
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Tim currently has

752
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit wait to old properties dot com

753
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: backslash woods. That's w O O d S. I pulled

754
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: some fun facts related turkeys that I want to drop

755
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: on you guys. Yeah, I I haven't done a ton

756
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: of you know, when it comes to white tails and stuff.

757
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: I read everything, right, we read all sorts of research

758
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: and literature on on white tails and all these articles

759
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't do a whole time turkey reading. Um,

760
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: but there's some interesting stuff. So get this. Did you

761
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: guys know that you can tell a bird's sex and

762
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: age from his droppings? Did you guys know that about

763
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: about turkeys? I did not know that. No, enlighten me. Yeah.

764
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: So male turkey droppings are j shaped and female turkey

765
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: droppings are spiral shaped. So you go out there and

766
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: you look for the poopy jay's and you know that's

767
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: a gobbler. And then the larger the diameter of the turd,

768
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: the older the bird. So remember that. Now. Have have

769
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: you heard guys say that about like what deer crab

770
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: looks like or what buck crap looks like versus doe crab.

771
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard different kind of theories on that.

772
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I've heard like the bigger, clumpier ones or bucks versus

773
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: your smaller, very separated palets would be doves. Um. Have

774
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you heard something similar? Well, I think we've all kind

775
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: of heard that, like grandfather wisdom that yeah, this this

776
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: is what dear or this is what buck crap looks like.

777
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: It's the big stuff and this is doe crab the

778
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: little stuff. But in reality, I think what it is

779
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: um that when you're seeing like the stuff that looks

780
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: like it was made by a rabbit, that means that

781
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: they're eating um like grains and harder things like that, um, walnuts,

782
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: and whereas if it's like smoother uh kind of piles

783
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: than they've been feeding on, like fruits or grass things

784
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: things that are softer for their diet. So I've I've

785
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: heard a lot of that before, but I believe the

786
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: real answer is that, no, you can't tell a buck

787
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: from adough, but you can tell what they've been eating. Interesting,

788
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I've never paid much attention to it,

789
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: but it's if that's true. If if you could wrap

790
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: your head around that, that would be an interesting thing

791
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: to look at because you could determine what the deer

792
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: focused on right now is the food source then to

793
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: a degree, so you could see based off droppings if

794
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: you should be focusing on something like soft mass like

795
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: apple trees or something like grains um. That would be

796
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to to consider. Yeah, I try to

797
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: try to take that into account because so much of

798
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: what I hunt is agriculture, soybeans, corn field and stuff

799
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: like that, So it's not like uncommon for me to

800
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: find the stuff that's in piles. But that gets me thin,

801
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: getting like, Okay, where was this deer at because he's

802
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: obviously not spending all of his feed time like on

803
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: a field edge. So uh, and I'm not I shouldn't

804
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: say this is absolutely the answer, but I believe that

805
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Never never tell you a story,

806
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: Dan about my uncle's dad and the dear turd story.

807
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I have not I'd love to hear it. That so

808
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: so he this, so this, this is how the story goes.

809
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: At least. Um, this guy, we'll call him Bob, was

810
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: taking a friend of his out deer hunting for the

811
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: first time. And um, as Bob walked along, he'd point

812
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: at deer poop and he'd say, well, that's that's old

813
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: deer poop, and the guy would look at it and

814
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: say okay, and they keep walking. He point to another

815
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: set of palaces. Oh, there's something that's a little bit fresher,

816
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: And then they kept walking on and they kept going

817
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: and going and going, and finally, all along Bob had

818
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: been carrying some like chocolate covered raisins in his pocket,

819
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: and so he'd been pointing at real turds all this

820
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: whole time, and his friend was getting more and more

821
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: curious about it, and finally he dropped him right in

822
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: the ground in front of him when his friend wasn't looking,

823
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: and he reaches down he grabs him. He says, no,

824
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: these these are fresh dear turds, really really fresh dear turds.

825
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: And the buddy looks at him. He's like, man, how

826
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: do you know this? How do you know these are fresh?

827
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, the way you can tell for sure,

828
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: you taste him. He pops one in his mouth. He's like, yeah,

829
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is this was just a couple of

830
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: hours ago. The buddies looking at him like, dude, you

831
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: are nuts. I always like that. I was like, man,

832
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: that's a good way to fool buddy. Oh that's not okay.

833
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: How about this one? Did you guys know and this?

834
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I did not know this. I I'll just say wild

835
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: turkeys their head gobbler's heads actually changed colors with their

836
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: level of excitement or emotion. So I always just assumed that,

837
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: like a blue headed turkey was just always a blue

838
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: head turkey, and a red headed goblers. The red headed

839
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: gobbler and summer white summer, red summer blue summer pinkish,

840
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: and I just thought that was like east individual turkey

841
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: or sometimes older turkeys had a certain coloring. Is that

842
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: just me being ignorant? Or do you guys not realize

843
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: that that's the same bird can be all the different

844
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: colors based on his excitement. I did know that, yeah,

845
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen. And like the coloration is

846
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: a bit of wisdom that you want to use if

847
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to reap turkeys. They say that, uh, if

848
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to find the ideal reaping situation, and reaping

849
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: is if you don't know where, you basically hide behind

850
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: a fan and use that to you know, cut the

851
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: distance between you and the gobbler and bring the gobbler

852
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: to you anyway, They stay the ideal reaping tom is

853
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: one with a white head, because that's like maximum aggression,

854
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: one with maximum attitude. Who's most likely to appro to

855
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: you hiding behind a tail fan. That's so cool. I

856
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: don't know how I missed that in my in my

857
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: years of turkey hunting, but that for some reason makes

858
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: turkeys even cooler to me, that they've got like chameleon

859
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: heads or like mood ring heads. Maybe it is a

860
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: better way to say it. Have you ever I tell

861
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: you what? I tell you what I I was sitting

862
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: on a ridge one day I fell asleep, um one

863
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: of those scenarios. I called for a little bit. It

864
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: was mid day, fell asleep. I woke up and down

865
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: this little creek system, I see out of field a

866
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: tom with a decent beard, and he had a red head.

867
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: He was, you know, not fired up at all, and

868
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: he was, you know, eating down eating, And then I

869
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: started calling and he perked up, and you know, he

870
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: went from that skinny little body to he started puffing up,

871
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: and his head went from kind of this red to

872
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: a blue and then he started coming in and then

873
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: he started getting in full strut. And then I watched

874
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: it change from blue to this pure white color, and

875
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: it was it was one of the coolest things I

876
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: had ever seen. And just the light hitting it and

877
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: watching his head change colors was I know. That's that's

878
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: where I learned learned from. I don't know how I've

879
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: never seen it or never noticed. I'm sure it's happened,

880
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: but I guess I've never been paying attention enough to

881
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: the head. Now what happens? So when you shoot the bird.

882
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Is it stuck at whatever color it was, or does

883
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: it revert to something else. I've never paid attention to that.

884
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: Either you'll see a change, like I've I've shot ones

885
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: with red heads and then you know, I'll brest him out,

886
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: but not take pictures for you know, until hours later,

887
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: and by that point they'll they'll have a blue head.

888
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: Quite often I've seen him, you know, like keep the

889
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: red head or maybe it's a different shade of red.

890
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: But I think after they're dead, you'll see a change

891
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: there that makes sense. Have you have you raped a

892
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: turkey in before, Spencer? I have not. Um I I

893
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: would love to try it because like that is my

894
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: style of being aggressive. I don't care if I mess

895
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: up on a turkey, like like Dan said earlier, who

896
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: cares just a turkey? But uh, that's something I'll definitely consider.

897
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: And we have like the wide open topography here that

898
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: would uh you know, work well for that, so it'll happen. Yeah,

899
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: that would be. I've never tried it, and I know

900
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: it's not legal in all places, I don't think so

901
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: if you're listening, you have to make sure to check

902
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: up on your regulations around that. But it looks like

903
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: a super cool way to just to literally crawl across

904
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the field towards the gobble or towards the gobbler, holding

905
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: that fan up in front of you, trying to cut

906
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: the distance. And I've heard like they can. Then they

907
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: get super aggressive too, so lots of times they just

908
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: come charging in at it. And then the last second

909
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: you've got to drop that fan and pull up with

910
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: your gun or whatever, try to get a show out

911
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: when he's five yards away from you or whatever coming

912
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: at you. I mean, talk about high intensity turkey hunting

913
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: that I'd love to try that. Yeah, that'd be cool. Okay,

914
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: what would you guys call a group of turkeys? What

915
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: would be the proper term for a group of turkeys? Dan,

916
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: what do you think? I'm just gonna go with what

917
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: every other game bird, a flock spencer? Uh, I would

918
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: go with the same thing. So I do think that

919
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: is one of the terms that can be used as

920
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: a whole slow. I found a whole bunch of different ones,

921
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: but two that I saw that I had not heard before.

922
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: You can call, supposedly one of the official terms for

923
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: a group of turkeys is a gang or a rafter,

924
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: a rafter of turkeys. I also called them. At once.

925
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: I was turkey hunting with my wife and a whole

926
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: bunch of jake's came in and like, in the heat

927
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: of the moment, I don't know, I've never even was

928
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: this word in my entire life ever before, but this

929
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: group of three jakes came like barreling in towards us.

930
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, there's a whole passle of them

931
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: coming in. And so now I always refer to a

932
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: group of turkeys as a passle of turkeys. So write

933
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: that one down. I'll pass. How fast How fast do

934
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: you think a turkey can move on foot? What's the high?

935
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Twenty two point five miles per hour? Is that right?

936
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: It was like the same speed as Usain Bolt I

937
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: saw twenty four But that's essentially the same thing. That's crazy,

938
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? I wanted to say that, like during

939
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: Usain Bolts hunter meter dash record time, and I don't

940
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: remember what year twelve might have banned or whatever, that

941
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: like his top speed is the same as like a

942
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: turkey's top speed. That's that's a great, great line for

943
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: an announcer during the Olympics or something. No, no, what

944
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: about to flight my guests would be forty fifty five

945
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: miles per hour flight? Is that is the top? That's

946
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: crazy because I read somewhere that the way a Turkey

947
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: is built and how physics works, like they shouldn't even

948
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: be able to take off with their body weight. Yeah,

949
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like it. They have like one of

950
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: the lowest wing load scores. I think it's called wing load.

951
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: It's it's like the ratio of uh, you know, your

952
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: wings to your body weight, and uh, there's is so

953
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: far off the chart that it's, like you said, hard

954
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: to fathom that that they can take flight. They are

955
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: the most un great, un graceful looking animal ever when

956
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: they take flight, I'd say, I mean, they can be

957
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: so cool looking when they're strutting around, and then when

958
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: they try to take off and fly somewhere, sometimes they

959
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: get going, it's it's it's not quite as impressive um

960
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: or or they fly out of the tree. It's like,

961
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: especially during deer season, when you'll hear him fly up

962
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: at night, or you'll hear him fly down, it's like

963
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: someone's just throwing cannonballs out of a tree. Yeah. Yeah,

964
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: do you guys ever try to simulate that noise? One

965
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: of the things I used to try when I was

966
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of calling the turkeys on the roost is I

967
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: would try to simulate the sound of the fly down

968
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: of hens. So I'd like take my hat or something

969
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 1: and I hit it against my my thigh or something

970
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: to make like that noise as like they're flying down. Um.

971
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's ever really helped my calling

972
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: sequence in the morning. But have you guys ever tried

973
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: that at all? Uh? I have tried it. I like

974
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: the added realism, but as far as like that being

975
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: the difference between you getting a gobbler and you're set

976
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: up and I can't right, I don't know, but I

977
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think it hurts either. They're not gonna hear them

978
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: be like that that, what's that asshole doing? What's okay?

979
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: So so on that note, I want to jump to

980
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: some listener questions because I want to get some of

981
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: these answered and then maybe hot back to a couple

982
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: of stories. But Jacob on Twitter asked us this. He said,

983
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: how on the living hell do you kill one of

984
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: these damn things? Because I have no freaking clue. So

985
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: let's give us a lot to talk about. But if

986
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: you have one like your one best turkey hunting tip

987
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: for someone who has no freaking clue, Spencer, what would

988
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: it be, uh, find the dumb ones? And you know,

989
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: that can be a number of factors, like time of

990
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: year right now, like I said, the turkeys are breaking off,

991
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: and so they're getting a lot more aggressive and you know,

992
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: not making the best decisions all the time, and so

993
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: that makes them dumber. Trying to find birds that are

994
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: on pressure, maybe flocks that are living in Mrs Jenkins

995
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: backyard that are eating out of a bird feeder but

996
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: roosting in a past year, you know, a quarter mile away,

997
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: those ones that have never been bothered, and so those

998
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: would be obviously the dumber ones. And and then as

999
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: far as like species too, I think the guys who

1000
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: are uh you know, the slam holders and the people

1001
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: who hunt all over the country say that Easterns are

1002
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: the most difficult to get into range and the hardest

1003
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: to to you know, match their vocalizations. Who are like

1004
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: a Merriam's is the easiest to you know, talk to

1005
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: and fool and so another you know, not as far

1006
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: as finding a dumb one, Miriam's would likely give you

1007
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: better odds than an Eastern I've I've heard that too.

1008
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: How much how much of that is just pressure related?

1009
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, the Eastern turkeys are getting hunted by so

1010
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: many more guys. Do they it's that? Or do you

1011
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: think there's actually some kind of genetic difference? Have you heard?

1012
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's a genetic difference, but I

1013
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: mean a genetic difference and why they're more susceptible to hunting.

1014
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: I would say that's definitely part of it. Like you

1015
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: think about what stereotypical Miriam's habitat is, like, like you

1016
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: could spot these things, you know, from a mile away,

1017
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: whereas an Eastern is probably in really dense timber and

1018
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: so it's just more difficult to I don't know, identify

1019
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: where that birds at and get them into range, uh

1020
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: than it would be the type of terrain that a

1021
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: Miriam's lives in. You know, Dan, what about you? You're

1022
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: one best tip for the guy that has no freaking

1023
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: clue Just I don't know. Um, this is a This

1024
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: is the reason I'm successful at turkey hunting, or I

1025
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: was this year, is because I knew where they've been

1026
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: roosting historically. So if you get the opportunity, go out

1027
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: and do some more pre morning scouting. If I can

1028
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: even say that, my system is starting to shut down

1029
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: because I'm overly tired because we're recording so late. But

1030
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is go out before your

1031
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: season starts early in the morning, walk around, call a

1032
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: little bit, locate them, and then just leave. And then

1033
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: when it's time to do hunting season, you know it's

1034
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: you got a couple of options right off the bat

1035
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: that you can start off with, and those are going

1036
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: to be your your best options. Yeah, that's kind of

1037
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: what I would say to I mean, I taught myself

1038
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: to turkey hunt with like no I had no idea.

1039
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: I didn't hadn't gone out with anyone who knew what

1040
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: they're doing. Um it just read some magazine articles and

1041
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: watched like a YouTube video or something about how to

1042
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: call and stuff. I just kind of figured it out.

1043
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: And I think the most important stuff is Number one,

1044
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: just find some gobblers, so do what you just said.

1045
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: Find where they're roosted, so just walk around and listen

1046
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: to them at night when they're up in their roost.

1047
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Find some birds, and then just learn how to do

1048
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: a basic yelp. Just figure out that that one basic

1049
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: hen sound and that's enough to call on a gobbler.

1050
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew how to do nothing but the

1051
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: very most basic yelp um, and I was able to

1052
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: call birds in my very first year. Now I didn't

1053
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: kill him, um, but I had some good action, had

1054
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: some close calls and stuff like that. So that's number

1055
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: one right there. If you can do that, I think

1056
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: you can at least like get into the action on

1057
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: some birds and then you can figure out the nuance

1058
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: and figure out all the other things that might help

1059
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: you close the deal more often. But that can at

1060
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: least get you going. Um, there's plenty more. I mean,

1061
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: if you're trying to bow hunt, that can be more challenging,

1062
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: or if you're trying to hold out for a certain big,

1063
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: big mature tom, or if you're trying to kill him

1064
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different states, Sure things can get

1065
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: more difficult. But to just get some stuff happening, you

1066
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: don't need to be some kind of savant hunter to

1067
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: have some basic turkey any action. Um, what you're saying,

1068
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: I would go back to, like dance point. I asked,

1069
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: like one of the best fishermen that I know, I

1070
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: asked him one time, like, what is the single best

1071
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: piece of advice you've ever gotten or given? And he said,

1072
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,959
Speaker 1: don't fish memories. And so you know, meaning that if

1073
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: you nail the walleye here like two years ago, that

1074
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're gonna be right on that hump again.

1075
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: And that's something that I think applies to turkeys. Like

1076
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: as far as the roost, and this is something that

1077
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: I like fail at every year and I have to

1078
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: relearn every year. I see turkeys roost in a tree

1079
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: and it's like in my head that, Okay, well they're

1080
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: going to roost there again, but that's not always the case.

1081
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: Turkeys are not married to a roost, and more often

1082
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like that they're going to roost somewhere in that

1083
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: creek bottom again within like you know football field stretch. Uh,

1084
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily going to be like in that

1085
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: tree and they're not going to pitch down out of

1086
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: that tree into this in little opening. And so just

1087
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: like learning to be mobile or flexible in that first

1088
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, half hour of daylight is a big part

1089
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: of it, because I have uh messed that up a

1090
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: lot of times where I'm overconfident that like yep, they're

1091
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna fly out of that branch and they're gonna land

1092
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: on you know, that piece of dirt, and I'm gonna

1093
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: kill them there. That that's not that simple, and you

1094
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: could go you could go into like all these really

1095
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: hardcore details like we do with white tails, where Okay,

1096
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna find where they're roost. Then you're gonna find

1097
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: where they have what they call a strut zone, right,

1098
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: So it's basically a location that these turkeys hang out

1099
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: at part of the day and they just sit there

1100
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: and strap back and forth while the hens are feeding.

1101
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: So it's you can get into a lot of detail.

1102
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: But I think the less you know about turkey strategy,

1103
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: the or successful you'll be because I how I learned

1104
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: a turkey hunt was was with my uncle's and it

1105
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: was literally a you walk into the woods at dark

1106
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 1: in the morning, you call, you locate them in a tree,

1107
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: You sit down with your decoys out in front of you.

1108
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: You call, you call, do they come in, Nope, get up, move,

1109
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: put the decoys out, call call call, nope, move and

1110
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: then you finally you'll run into something and then you

1111
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: shoot it in the face. So it's pretty easy. I

1112
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: don't know if it always goes quite that easily. But

1113
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: I like, I like the freestyle nature of your approach.

1114
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: What about go back to the roost? Uh, situation that

1115
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: you're mentioning their Spencer. We got a question a number

1116
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: of questions related to when birds are on the roost.

1117
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: So one person asked, when the birds when the gowlers

1118
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: are on the roost, is it better to remain silent

1119
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: and wait till they reach the ground or should you

1120
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: lightly call why while they're in the tree. And then

1121
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: another person said, when birds on the roost, how much

1122
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: calling is too much? It's kind of getting at the

1123
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: same thing there. Um, what would you say to those things, Spencer? Uh,

1124
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: I would let the real life turkeys be the guide.

1125
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: And so if you hear the hands talking a lot,

1126
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: I think that's an invitation for you to do some

1127
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: talking and give up your location. Um. And if you

1128
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, let out a yelp and you have a

1129
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: gabbler that cuts you off, I think that's an invite

1130
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: to talk a little more too. But uh, that turkey

1131
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: is like not going to forget where you're at if

1132
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: you call and they don't respond, Um, you know, obviously

1133
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to say don't overcall than it is

1134
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: to actually put your call away and not do it,

1135
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously that's that's what I think. The

1136
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: answer is, don't overcall, But then to actually not overcall

1137
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: is is really difficult to do. So I think the

1138
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: best thing you can do is let the real turkeys

1139
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: dictate what you're doing. Man. The first year I went

1140
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: out turkey hunting on my own, I remember pulling up

1141
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: close to where I thought one was roosted, and then

1142
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: one sounded off, just like I was hoping he would.

1143
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: And for like however long it was fifteen minutes or whatever,

1144
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: while he was up in that tree still and I

1145
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: was down the ground. Every time he gobbled, I was yelping.

1146
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: He gobbled, I was yelping, he was gobbling. I was

1147
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: the helping, and that just kept. If he didn't talk

1148
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds, I started helping again, thirty seconds,

1149
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: I was the helping again for like fifteen minutes. If

1150
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: anyone was around there, they would have heard the biggest

1151
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: idiot just calling and calling and calling. Um. I think

1152
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: you're right, though, I think overcalling all the time you do.

1153
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: I talked about I talked back and forth with him

1154
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm I leaded the conversation. I'm in

1155
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: charge of it. See I've I've found that that was

1156
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: my biggest mistake, was calling too much. Like I would

1157
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: overcall at least here A lot of times these birds

1158
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: would almost not this is probably giving them too much credit,

1159
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: but they'd almost be like, no real hand would be

1160
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: talking this much like that, that's something seems fishy. So

1161
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: I was having these birds that would gobble for a

1162
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: bit and then they would like fall by the wayside.

1163
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I started playing hard to

1164
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: get with them, so I would just get it to

1165
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: where I knew they heard me, they were interested, and

1166
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: then lots of times I'd stop and I'd wait a

1167
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: long time, and then that's when I when I started,

1168
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, holding up, especially on the roots, like for

1169
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: me on the roost, I would just do a little

1170
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: light yelping just to get him excited and make sure

1171
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: they know our map, and then it usually would just

1172
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: stop until they fly down um and then maybe I

1173
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: hear one and go off. Once there on the ground,

1174
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: then I'll yelp a few more times and a couple

1175
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: more times that they're coming in closer and closer, but

1176
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: especially if they hung up or anything like that where

1177
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: they don't seem to be coming in anymore, but I

1178
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: still hear them. That shutting down and being quiet so

1179
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: often for me has been what has gotten them to

1180
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: come all the way in. They're like, Okay, I know

1181
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: there's a hand over there. Why isn't she talking anymore?

1182
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: I gotta go get her. Um, that for me was

1183
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: like the light switched moment when I started killing birds,

1184
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: when I started getting really picky about how often I called.

1185
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: So that's interesting to hear that you're the opposite. Yeah,

1186
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: I The way I look at it is if they're

1187
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: roosted with a hen, and that hen they can see,

1188
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: and she doesn't even have to call, right she flies down,

1189
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna follow her, regardless of the hen that's going

1190
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: bananas across the valley right and on the opposite side,

1191
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: if there is no hen in the tree with him,

1192
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna And then let's say there's multiple birds they're going,

1193
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: it's now a competition to see who can get there

1194
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: the fastest. That's the way I look at it. Yeah, yeah,

1195
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: I know I can. I can see the logic to

1196
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: that too. Um, Now, what about this scenario. This is

1197
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: another question we got. So what if the gobbler, What

1198
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: if the birds aren't talking at all? When you've got

1199
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: a quiet morning, nothing's gobbling off the roost, nothing's gobbling

1200
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: during daylight when they should be on their feet and

1201
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: walking around. What do you do Dan in that situation

1202
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: when the turkeys are quiet. That's a great question. And

1203
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: the answer to that is, I go to a local

1204
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: diner and I eat something called a river wreck, which

1205
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: is scrambled eggs, biscuits, and gravy, hash browns and bacon

1206
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: all on one massive pile, and I wash it down

1207
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 1: with mountain dew, and then I go and take a nap.

1208
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: That's one way to approach it. I don't like, dude,

1209
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 1: I don't like to hunt. If they're not calling back

1210
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: and forth. Right, I may go out, drive around the section,

1211
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: see where they're strutting, try to sneak up on them

1212
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: and and go from there. But if they're on a

1213
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: different property, there's not much I can do. Yeah, Spencer,

1214
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: about you, Well, if that's the case that, like you

1215
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: are confident the birds should be talking, and the weather's

1216
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: right and the seasons right, and the turkeys are there,

1217
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: then it's probably something thing you did wrong, Like you

1218
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: walked in with your you were skylined, and you know

1219
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: every turkey in that creek bottom saw you come in there.

1220
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: Or uh, you were putting up your ground blind and

1221
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: you were popping out the hubs and goes whishh. You

1222
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: know you do that five times right next to the roost, Well,

1223
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: that will probably shut them down. And so if you

1224
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: think that like all the conditions are right for turkeys

1225
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: to be talking and they're not talking, then I would be,

1226
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out what I just did

1227
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: to shut them up? Man. But you know there's there's

1228
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: some days though, when they just aren't talking, Like even

1229
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: if you didn't do anything wrong, even if you're a

1230
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: long ways away from there where they're roosted, but you

1231
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: would be able to hear them. And I don't know

1232
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: what conditions shut them down. I'm not that much for

1233
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: turkey hunter to know. But I did just read an

1234
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: article before the podcast where they're talking about some research

1235
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: done but I think Mississippi State, UM where they were

1236
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: correlating certain conditions to gobbling activity. UM. So they did

1237
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: see like there was a certain Now I believe I

1238
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: saw like between sixty and sixty nine degrees temperature wise

1239
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: was like the optimal temperature for gobbling activity for like

1240
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: pete gobbling. And then like if you got I think

1241
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: I think that I've read that if it got hotter

1242
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: than that, it went downhill. And then there was other

1243
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: possible connections to like bara metric pressure, um and something else.

1244
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: So there are certain things and a wind to a

1245
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: certain amount of wind can shut down gobbling. UM. So

1246
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: in those situations when I think, even if you're like

1247
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: you're doing the right things, there's just gonna be some

1248
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: days when the turkeys are just quiet no matter what. UM.

1249
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: And on those kinds of days, for me, what I've done,

1250
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: like you said, Dan, I'll get up and move around

1251
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: and just try to spot and stock them kind of

1252
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: just you know, because they're still gonna go and go

1253
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: about their day their daily routine still, so they're gonna

1254
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: still fly down somewhere. They're still gonna strut around for

1255
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: some you know, at some point, um, for an hour

1256
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: hour and a half or two hours for the first

1257
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: thing in the morning, walk around some hens and stuff.

1258
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: But then usually again so at that point, if you

1259
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: can walk around and class them up, then you can

1260
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: move in on them and maybe get them to come

1261
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: and do a call or something. Or the other thing

1262
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: that happens a lot of times is even if it's

1263
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: been quiet all morning, right around that like nine thirty,

1264
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,520
Speaker 1: Between nine and thirty, it seems like for me um

1265
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: is when lots of times the hens break off from

1266
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: the tom's. Maybe they go and they nest or whatever,

1267
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: and then the tom's are back on the move. They're

1268
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: back on the hunt. For another hand, it seems like

1269
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people talk about this time

1270
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: frame two whether it's kind of like their cruise and

1271
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: again kind of like a running buck. And so it

1272
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: always seems to be like there's like a couple hour

1273
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 1: lull in the late morning and then like ten o'clock

1274
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: you hear that gobble all of a sudden out of nowhere.

1275
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: You haven't heard anything for three and a half four hours,

1276
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: and the boom, there's that lone turkey on the hunt.

1277
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: And uh, lots of times that can be then the

1278
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: start of a good period of the day too. But

1279
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe even if they aren't gobbling, you'll catch that cruiser

1280
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,879
Speaker 1: at that point. So I like trying to move around

1281
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: sitting spots, you can watch and just try. I mean,

1282
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite hunts ever was with my

1283
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,879
Speaker 1: dad a few years back, and this is the situation

1284
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: when the birds hadn't been talking at all, but we

1285
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: just set up in the spot we could see down

1286
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: a power line a long ways in either direction. We

1287
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: set out a decoy and we just waited and just

1288
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: sit sitting glass and talk, you know, caught up on

1289
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: life and all that kind of good stuff. And finally

1290
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: we just got lucky that Tom crossed that power line

1291
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: like two yards down the way. There hadn't been any

1292
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: talking all day, all afternoon, but we just saw him

1293
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: from long ways off and just because we are determined

1294
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: to sit out there and be there, we saw him

1295
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: and then we were able to call and call him

1296
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: right and he never I don't think he ever gobbled.

1297
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: He just came in and um, I mean, there's something

1298
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: to be said about It's kind of like during the rut.

1299
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: If he has put in the time, even if you're

1300
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: not seeing lots of action, good stuff can happen. But

1301
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on what you want of it.

1302
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: Like you said, Dan, if you want the gobbling, hot

1303
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: action and that's all you want, then going to get

1304
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: the river record might be the better option on the

1305
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: slow days. I'm a big fan of hot action. I

1306
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: I believe you you are. Um, Okay, how about this one?

1307
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: What what is your favorite way to serve wild turkey? Spencer?

1308
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: What about that one? Mm hmm, go to Dan? Let

1309
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: me think about that, Dan, what's her go to wild

1310
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: turkey recipe? I got to go to number one? Potatoes, carrots, cream,

1311
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: and mushroom soup, some chopped up onions, all in the

1312
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: big crock pot, and then you just cook it and

1313
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: cook it and cook it. But first I gotta hammer

1314
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: it right. You gotta tender eye the meat, because like

1315
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: the breast is really uh like wild turkey meat is

1316
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher than your or about turkey meat.

1317
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: So I tend to rize it right. I put to

1318
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: put it in between two towels, and I take a

1319
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: cookie roller or a dough roller and beat it. And

1320
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: then that that typically does a trick. Or my wife's

1321
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: favorite is turkey nuggets. You cut them up into about

1322
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: an inch by inch and then you bred them, fry them,

1323
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: serve them with some hot you know, uh, do the

1324
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: hot sauce, dance on them or barbecue or whatever and

1325
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: then serving with blue cheese or ranch. Nice. Yeah. I

1326
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: like to do like a like a fried turkey nugget too,

1327
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: with deep fry them, kind of like fried chicken type thing. Um.

1328
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know where I found

1329
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: this recipe, but it's kind of like hot chicken like.

1330
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of a spicy fried chicken breading. Man. That

1331
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: is good. I mean, that is really good. I'm actually

1332
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: talking about having my nephew over this weekend before we hunt,

1333
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: and we're gonna make some of those up. So that's

1334
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: my favorite one. Um. And then white turkey chili is

1335
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: also a good a good one. You can even use

1336
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: the legs for that slow cook up, tear it up,

1337
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: put it in chili um or pulled turkey tacos. That's

1338
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: another good way to use that leg meat. Um, that's

1339
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: kind of tougher stringer. But if you like slow slow

1340
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: cooking in the crock pot until it starts to break

1341
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: down and then just use forks to tear it all up,

1342
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: that makes some really good turkey filling um or taco

1343
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: type meat. Um. Spencer, did you figure out yours yet? Yeah?

1344
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 1: So thinking about it a little more probably my favorite

1345
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: is like a turkey Philly and so slicing up or

1346
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: breast super thin and then you know, tossing that in

1347
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: a pan or on a grill fairly quickly you don't

1348
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: want to overcook it. And then with like some green peppers, mushrooms,

1349
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: onions on a HOGI and I love that, And if

1350
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: the season is right, you can like find some morals

1351
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: to serve with it, or pick some asparagus and just

1352
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: get like a real springtime delicacy. And so that's probably

1353
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: my favorite turkey rest to pee. But then I'm a

1354
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: wild game enthusiast, and so this is one thing that

1355
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I think is important for people to consider as well

1356
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: as like brianing, do you guys do any Brian's for

1357
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: like your wild turkey or your Thanksgiving turkey? That it's

1358
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: a great point, I Brian. Anytime I'm making wild turkey,

1359
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: I Brian at first. So what what is your Brian

1360
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:26,839
Speaker 1: that you do? Real simple sugar, salt and lemon, usually

1361
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: water and water. Okay, all right, well now I got you.

1362
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: So there's been some food science done on like this

1363
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: has gotcha journalism? Is that what you're doing to me?

1364
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: I got you? So I will send you the article

1365
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: and we're done. But there's been some food science done

1366
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: about like the weight retention and the liquid retention in

1367
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: turkey breasts um based on different Brians. And so the

1368
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: thought with like a wet Brian is that the soul

1369
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: like opens up the pores and then the water comes

1370
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: rushing in there and stuff. And so while if you

1371
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: Brian a turkey breast like that, it will be juicier

1372
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: than a turkey breast that you did not Brian. But

1373
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: what you're getting is not like natural turkey flavor. You're

1374
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: you're putting water in your turkey breast. And so what's

1375
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: actually better is just a dry brine like salt. And

1376
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the like the science is going

1377
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: on there. I think it's something that like when you're

1378
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: cooking the breast then and you have a dry brine

1379
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: on there, the juice comes to the outside and it

1380
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: hits that salt layer and it turns around and it

1381
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: stays in the turkey breast. And so like a dry

1382
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: a dry brian um helps you retain white better and

1383
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: it's giving you like a better flavor because you're not

1384
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: just shoving water in your meat. Interesting, very interesting Spencer,

1385
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: nice little factoid there. I'm probably still gonna shove water

1386
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: in my turkey breasts, but but I'm interested that to

1387
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: look more into that idea, you have to send me

1388
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: the article if you can find it. All right, Um,

1389
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: speaking of you, Spencer, I don't know why I thought

1390
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: of this while you were talking about that. I guess

1391
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: I was thinking about you shooting these turkeys and putting

1392
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: them in dry brins. Um. But being a bow hunter

1393
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: for turkeys, can you talk a little about arrow placement?

1394
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people maybe that are

1395
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: considering bow hunting for turkeys but haven't yet, might get

1396
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: this mixed up because you see this great, big round

1397
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: ball of turkey and you might think of a certain

1398
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 1: spot would be the place to shoot it, but it

1399
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: is wrong. Can you talk about the right place to

1400
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: aim on turkey with the bow? Um? I guess it's

1401
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: it's hard to like explain it, but I think the

1402
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: most important thing to consider is that, like people want

1403
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: to talk about turkey broadheads like they do dear oddeads,

1404
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: but the most important thing is just being accurate, because

1405
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: what you're shooting at is about the size of a softball,

1406
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, Although it looks like more you know of

1407
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 1: a basketball that's that's not the case. There are a

1408
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of guys and I've done it multiple times in

1409
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: my bow hunting Turkey career where a shot is just

1410
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: gonna end with a big puff of feathers because there

1411
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 1: is like not much actual meat there in a strutted

1412
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: up tom. And I think the best shot that you

1413
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: can take is like when a tom has turned away

1414
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: from you and you can you know, go for like

1415
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: that Texas heart shot. Obviously that's ideal because you can draw,

1416
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: you have like a good indicator of where to aim. Um.

1417
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: But uh, it's just you know, important to be accurate

1418
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: and know where you're shooting and know that there's not

1419
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, much of a forgiving area there. Yeah, So

1420
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: for those who don't know what the Texas heart shot is,

1421
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: that would be shooting it in the vent for the

1422
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 1: the anus um straight from behind would be the Texas

1423
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: heart shot um or like you said, it's it's a

1424
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: really small vital so you really got to know where

1425
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 1: this is out of Turkey. But you can follow follow

1426
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: the legs up and then shoot it like the top

1427
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: third of the body right above the legs and a

1428
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: touch ahead would be about where those vitals would be. Um.

1429
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: And then you can also try the head shot. You know,

1430
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: some people have you know, used the specific broadheads to decapitate. Um,

1431
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Have you ever tried that spencer? No?

1432
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: I have not. Yeah, it seems I guess you either

1433
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: get it done or you missed completely. But that seems

1434
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: to be how my bow hunting for turkeys has been anyways,

1435
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: I just usually missed the bird completely. Um. When I

1436
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: first started trying to teach myself turkey and I thought

1437
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: I should start with a bow, and my first two

1438
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: ever shot opportunities I missed right between the legs underneath them. Um,

1439
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: So I switched to a gun and started killing a

1440
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: bunch of birds. So I think I'm probably gonna switch

1441
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: back one of these years. But UM, it didn't start

1442
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: off too well. What either one of you guys are

1443
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: gonna turkey mounted or have you? It would have to

1444
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: be really unique and big, because obviously turkeys don't have

1445
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: characteristics like dear do, so it would have to be

1446
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: like multiple beards or unique feather configuration or of I

1447
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: don't know, three ft beard or something like that. I

1448
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: don't know. Huge spurs three eyes. I don't know. I

1449
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: was very close to mounting one last year. UM. I

1450
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: shot our state record our three real grand turkey had

1451
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: triple beard UM, and he's number fifteen in the world

1452
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: with a bow, and so I just about mounted him.

1453
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: But then I started like looking at the prices and

1454
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, he's cool, but he's not cool,

1455
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: So I didn't like I didn't do a full strutted

1456
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: out mount, but I got the fan and his wings

1457
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: and then the you know, I kept the spurs and

1458
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: the three beards, and those are all on a plaque

1459
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: together is his fan, the two wings, spurs, and the beard.

1460
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I always have that option since

1461
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: I have the important parts. I talked to some text

1462
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: him as if I were ever to get another rio,

1463
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: that I could, you know, have a full body of

1464
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: mount done. But like, where does that go in a home?

1465
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that that doesn't look good anywhere. I

1466
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: don't think I've reached out to some music. I've reached

1467
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: out to some museums like the Smithsonian and uh some

1468
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: other places, I think the Natural History Museum to see

1469
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: if they had wanted UM. But there's just like a

1470
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: whole bunch of um paperwork to go along with that,

1471
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: and so at this point hasn't happened. I've reached out

1472
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: to Cabela's about taking it um, but with their best

1473
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: pro merger, they have stopped UM buying mount and stuff

1474
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: like that. So at this point it's just you know,

1475
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: the fan, the wing mounts. But I'd love for him

1476
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: to be on a full display somewhere, whether it's you know,

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01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: in my basement or in a museum in Washington, d C.

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01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: Where is your How much did that cost for I

1479
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: can I cost you for a full mount? I can't

1480
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: even remember now. I want to say it was like

1481
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: seven hundred bucks or somewhere around there. It's gotta be

1482
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: like a ton of detail for a full stutting tom. Yeah,

1483
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I don't think I would ever do it.

1484
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: I my first bird I ever killed. I did, like

1485
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: just like the tail, fan mountain, the beard, and that

1486
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: was super cool. I like having that up and getting

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01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, that first one. Now, for

1488
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I keep the beards and I keep the legs,

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01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, with the spurs attached, and I just have

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01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: like a table and my barn just stacked with beards

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01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: and legs, and if anyone who didn't like understand what

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: these things were, they'd be really creeped out by this

1493
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: weird pile in my bar. But uh, but I've I've

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01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: seen some people like cut the spurs off and like

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01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: put them on like a a cord or something. I

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01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe I should do something like that someday,

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01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 1: because you know, it's nice to have some kind of

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01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: token or memento of that hunt and that bird. But

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just don't lend themselves to it

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01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: like a like a deer. And I've got multiple uh

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01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: tail feathers and beard plaques that are in my garage

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01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: that I don't even happen on the wall. It's like

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01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: they take up so much space. And my success for

1504
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: a turkey is higher than my success for a deer.

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01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, if I wanted to, I'd have them

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01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: in every room of the house and you know, multiple

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01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: stacked on top of each other, and it just I

1508
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I'm to the point now where

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01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm almost done collecting that stuff. Yeah, I mean it. Yeah,

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01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: when some when a rarity of it is lost, it

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01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: does change things a little bit. Okay, last question for

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: you guys, um, do do you have like a most

1513
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: embarrassing turkey experience or story? Either one of you guys?

1514
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, my life is pretty much an embarrassment,

1515
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: but I will tell you. I'll tell you this turkey

1516
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: hunting story. So it was one of my very first

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01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: ever turkey hunts. I'm twenty six, no excuse me, two

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: thousand and two, so I'm like two years old. I'm

1519
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: in college. Um, the night before I went out and

1520
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: I just got hammered. And so the next morning I

1521
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: woke up, drove to drove to meet my uncle's and

1522
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: we went out into the turkey woods and started hunting.

1523
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: And the birds, the birds aren't going bananas. And all

1524
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,919
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I am getting this rumble in my stomach,

1525
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: like I gotta go number two, and I gotta go

1526
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: right now, and so I am I put my gun down,

1527
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: and my uncle can't see me because he's kind of

1528
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: behind me. He's calling for me. So I have to

1529
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: like pull my pants down walking the walk, you know,

1530
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: into this taller grass behind a tree. And I got

1531
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: my pants down and I'm holding real still and I'm

1532
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom and I'm watching these birds fly

1533
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: out of the tree right down to our decoys and strutting.

1534
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: They're already strutting right in front of the decoys. And

1535
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: I hear my uncle just yell shoot him, shoot him,

1536
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: And I don't even have my gun. And then he

1537
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: he sits up out of this this old tree. He

1538
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: was sitting and looks at me, and I had my

1539
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: butt out and I was pooping. That that seems like

1540
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: on par for the core story for Dan Johnson. Can

1541
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: you top that? Spencer? Uh No, I can't think of

1542
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: like one individual moment that bad, but maybe just like collectively,

1543
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: my first couple of years turkey hunting, I was just

1544
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: terrible just what I was doing. Uh you know, my

1545
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: lowest of lows as a turkey hunter were really poor,

1546
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: and nobody in my family turkey hunted. So I was,

1547
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, self taught, learning in the woods. And I

1548
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: think I probably started hunting when I was like seventeen

1549
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,839
Speaker 1: or eighteen for turkeys, and uh, you know, I couldn't

1550
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: kill him with a shotgun. I just I was a failure.

1551
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: And so those first couple of years, looking back, when

1552
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: I was doing as far as like setups and calling

1553
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: and decoys and stuff like that. It was bad. I

1554
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I that's a very similar situation. Myself took a little

1555
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: took some growing pains. As I'm trying to think of,

1556
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: like my embarrassing story, I realized that probably the best

1557
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: embarrassing stories I have are not my own, but stories

1558
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: about further So. And since Further is not on here,

1559
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: I should tell some of Further's embarrassing defend himself, roast

1560
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: and Furthers when Josh isn't here. Um, so how about

1561
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: this one? Um kind of a serious there's a whole

1562
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: series of turkey further stories where he does these things,

1563
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, really, man, like we're turkey hunting. We

1564
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: were sneaking in to actually get set up on this

1565
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: food plot. I might have told the story a couple

1566
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: of years ago, right after it happened. But we're heading

1567
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: into this blind set up and we get to the

1568
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: food plot. We're just about to step out into the field,

1569
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: and um head towards the blind and usually the birds

1570
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: roost a long ways away from this spot, but it's

1571
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: usually the closest we can get to the roost, and

1572
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: usually they're on a neighboring property. We're just about stepping

1573
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: the field and a bird just lights up, like forty

1574
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: yards away in a tree or just on the other

1575
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 1: side of the field, like right across the way. There's

1576
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: never birds here, but there was one this night. So

1577
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: we all just collapse on the ground in the tall grass,

1578
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: like right next to the field, right next to the

1579
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: food plot. And fast forward, you know, the next twenty

1580
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 1: minutes or whatever. I'm made a couple of yelps. He

1581
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: hammers back. When it gets daylight, he flies down right

1582
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: into the food plot. But Josh and me are laying

1583
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: down because again we didn't have a blind, we didn't

1584
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: have any cover. We just collapsed like right right where

1585
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: we were. So the turkeys coming in and I can

1586
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: see the bird and furtherterres watching the bird, and I'm

1587
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: sitting there in the turkeys at like thirty five yards,

1588
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: and he's got the gun, and I'm just sitting laying

1589
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: there behind him watching him, thinking, Okay, when's he going

1590
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: to shoot the bird? When he's gonna shoot the bird?

1591
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: And like the birds at thirty five yards, the birds

1592
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: at thirty yards, the birds twenty five yards, the birds

1593
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: at twenty yards, the birds at fifteen yards, And this

1594
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: whole time, I'm like what's he doing? What's he doing?

1595
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: And then he he turns looks at me and he said,

1596
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: are you ready. I'm like, dude, I'm not doing anything here, man,

1597
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: it's all you shoot the bird thenny. Then he finally

1598
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: gets down on his knees and suits the bird and

1599
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: chases it down and all that. That poor guy, That

1600
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: poor guy. I think. I think, Spencer, we need to

1601
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: have a Wired to Hunt podcast that Mark isn't even on,

1602
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: but we bring further in to talk shit on Mark

1603
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: for a whole hour. Yep. Yeah. The key the key

1604
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: thing that makes this so so much better for me

1605
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: those that I have the keys to the uploads. So

1606
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: so I always get to I always get to make

1607
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: Josh be the butt of my jokes. He's a good sport.

1608
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: He's a very good sport. He keeps that and he's

1609
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: killed plenty of birds and he gives us a good

1610
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 1: thing to laugh about every once in a while. So

1611
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: cool man. Well, do you guys have any final thoughts

1612
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: on turkeys before we wrap this one up? I have

1613
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: a I have a p s A on something that's

1614
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: been sweeping the turkey hunting nation, and that is the

1615
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: like hashtag long bird and hashtag snood to tail. Are

1616
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: you guys familiar with that? Yeah, I got called out

1617
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: because I didn't provide that measurement on there. And I

1618
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: guess I'm not trendy enough to know that there is

1619
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: a new measurement that actually does not go into the

1620
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: actual scoring of a bird. So this was started by

1621
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: the guys at the hunting public like Zach and Aaron. Uh.

1622
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: And I I believe it's just like kind of poke

1623
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: fun at the idea of like chopy turkey hunting or

1624
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: the idea I got you you know, like that's ridiculous.

1625
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: So look at this ridiculous measurement kind of thing. It

1626
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: was something that they had started a couple of years ago.

1627
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 1: But now that they have their own deal going, uh,

1628
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: that they can kinda you know, talk about freely. And

1629
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: and so everybody, everybody detail measurements from what I missed. Yeah, yeah,

1630
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: So now that this is the hunting public thing, So

1631
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: get your snoo detail MEASU truments out there. When you

1632
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: upload him, tag the hunting public. Sam sohold. He is

1633
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: a huge promoter of snood detail, So tag him. Take myself,

1634
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in this. I believe the record holder

1635
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: for this season so far is uh Matt McCormick from Sitka.

1636
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: He shot a fifty two inch, which is ginormous from

1637
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: the little bit of uh, you know, information gathering that

1638
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: that I've seen. So last week I killed the forty

1639
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: nine inches, which is pretty good, but it's no fifty two.

1640
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 1: And so get get those snow detail measurements. Uh what

1641
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: do they pay? What do they pay you for this plug? Dude?

1642
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 1: H Well, the one rule they said is you're supposed

1643
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: to have fun and uh, you're supposed to have a

1644
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: loose snood when you measure it. So no stretching the

1645
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: snood out. Um. But let's hear those long bird measurements

1646
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: this season, all right? And with that, I guess we

1647
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: will wrap up our turkey talk of the year. Thanks,

1648
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: thanks guys for sticking with us. Gotta have a loose nude.

1649
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: And that is it for episode two eleven. Couple quick reminders.

1650
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,879
Speaker 1: If you haven't yet left a rating or review on iTunes,

1651
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: please do that. It does not take very long. All

1652
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: you need to do is click a little star rating.

1653
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: If you want to leave more feedback, you can do that.

1654
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Um. Also, as I mentioned, a couple

1655
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: of weeks back. We're posting more videos over on YouTube,

1656
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: so make sure to subscribe to the Wired Hunt YouTube channel.

1657
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: And finally, I guess we'll just end this right off

1658
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: the bat and say thank you for listening, thanks for

1659
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: your attention, thanks for your time, good luck out there

1660
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, whatever it is you're doing in the woods

1661
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: this time of the year. I hope you have a blast,

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01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.