1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: I think for me, even just showing up after the 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: first couple of practices at UCLA still walk on, still, 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, undersized for I showed up at like two ten, 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, things like that, And I remember calling my 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: mom and telling her I'm gonna be able to go 6 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: play in the NFL, just just after watching the first 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: couple of practices. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: And obviously I. 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Knew that there would be a lot of work I 10 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: had to put in to get there. But I think 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that was huge for me 12 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: is just having the confidence. 13 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 3: Your participation in this podcast is mandatory, however, remember the 14 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: offseason program is voluntary. And with that, we welcome you 15 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: to the best podcast available. My name is Andrew Siciliotto. 16 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: That is Jason Gibbs, still going over the schedule with 17 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: a fine tooth comb to plan his fall. We welcome 18 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: you to another edition on the Browns off Season, March 19 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: towards Real Football. Gibbe, what's going on? My friend? 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 4: I got the comb joke? Maybe for you, there's no 21 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: comb here for this guy. 22 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: You see that that really wasn't a comb joke. I 23 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: was baseball the desert. I'm not out, not at all. 24 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 4: No maintenance, no maintenance. 25 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 3: Can we can we explain to people what the off 26 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: season program is. Let's do it. These are OTAs, they 27 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: are not mandatory, so I know people are like combing 28 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: Brown's social like who is there? Who is on the field. 29 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 3: It is great to see everyone back on the field, 30 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: by the way, great to see Matt Starkey and Bree 31 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: with their fantastic photo work of the players smiling and 32 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: laughing and throwing footballs on the field. It's good. But 33 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: here's here's here's what it is. The off season program 34 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 3: begins in early April, third week of April for coaches 35 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: like Kevin Stefanski, not a new head coach or returning 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: head coach. Everything is voluntary maximum of four per week, 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: no weekends, okay before the mandatory mena camp. Contact prohibited. 38 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: No live blocking, no live tackling, no pass rushing. You 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: can't even go bump and run here as you're going 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: touch and going throwing downfield. Two weeks strength and conditioning, 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: ninety minutes max. On the field. You could only be 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: in the building for like two hours as mandated. You 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: could just do two hours of waits. It is really 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: low key stuff. Quarterbacks can throw to receivers with no coverage. 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: Like during dead ball periods, kickers and punters can kick, 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: but players cannot field the ball. Long snappers can long snap, 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: but only into a net. They're all kinds of restrictions here. 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: So it's a lot of learning, it's a lot of 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: install Kevin Stefanski said during rookie mediamp. Give me that 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: we're putting in stuff for the rookies and trying stuff out. 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: They can do more than you can do in OTAs 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: before mandatory mini testing stuff with the rookies before you 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: install it with Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco. So it's 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: a lot of let's get in the lab and let's 55 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: get everybody back in shape. 56 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: And that's get and more importantly, get everybody on the 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: same page. And that's what the install the meetings. You know, 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: we're finally starting to see with OTA's a little more 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: field work than we've seen in the past. I know, 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: it's not coverage and all of those parameters that you 62 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: just you know, spout it out to us, but at 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: the end of the day, they're on the field now 64 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: and now we're starting to see we get some availability. 65 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 4: Once a week, media is allowed to come out and watch. 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 4: We get the chance to talk to the players a 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: little bit more. But the guys are starting to install 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: what will be the twenty twenty five Browns offense and 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: the twenty twenty five Browns defense. 70 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 3: I gave you phase one rules. The rules get progressively 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: more relaxed in Phase two and Phase three, but the 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: number one headline here is no live contact during phase three, 73 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: the last one before mandatory medi caamp. You could do 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: seven on seven, you could do nine on seven, you 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: could do eleven on eleven, but no live contact. And 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: in phase three you can put the helmets on. We're 77 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: not there yet. We'll get there, yeah, and you could 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: get a little more serious, but just a friendly reminder 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: as we look at you know anything, Nothing gets really 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: serious until mandatory mini camp and then eventually we get 81 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: to training camp. So there's that, and we have plenty 82 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: to still chew on from rookie minicamp. Want to go 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: back and play an interview that we did just full disclosure, 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: This was before day two of practice, so before Mason 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Graham had his you know, little thing on the field 86 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: where he ate too many wings and then he cleaned off 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: his helmet. He's a great teammate. He showed us that 88 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: this was his new position. Coach Jacques Sayesaire with his 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: impressions of Mason in the classroom, the meeting room early 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: and after one day of camp. It's only rookie minicamp, 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: Jaquesa's there, but I feel like you are in mid 92 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: season form because if you already lost your voice after 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: one day of rookie miniicamp. 94 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I always tell the guys like, I'm 95 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: not yelling, I'm just speaking an urgency right now, and 96 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 5: I've lost my voice just a little bit. Okay, I've 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 5: been I've been drinking a lot of tea, a lot 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 5: of honey and trying to get it back. But you know, 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: the voice is lost, but the message is it. Yeah, 100 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 5: obviously it is urgent because we got to get guys 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 5: up to speed. Right they haven't done this ever in 102 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: their whole entire life. The things that we're asking him 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: to do as far as movement skills are concerned, as 104 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: far as launching every single play, so that's something that 105 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 5: has to be built every single day. So right now 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 5: we're just trying to stack days. It's only you know, 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 5: really a day and a half. But what I'm seeing 108 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: right there is very encouraging. 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: I knew you were excited on draft day when they 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: handed in the card for Mason Graham. Absolutely now that 111 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: you have him here in the building, your early impressions, Yeah, so. 112 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: My early impressions is extremely intelligent, Okay, hard working, gritty, tough, competitive, 113 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: all the things that we're looking for in our defensivelignment. 114 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 5: But something that a lot of people don't realize about Mason, right. 115 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 5: The guy is extremely quick, right, and he knows how 116 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: to run the passers. So we're really excited about having him. 117 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 5: He's tough, he has real strong physical hands, and I 118 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 5: can't wait to see him with some pads on. 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: He says that the message from you to him has 120 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: been that you want to take the handcuffs off. Right. 121 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 122 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 5: Well, it just simply means that we're gonna attack, okay, 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 5: and we're not gonna be reading blocks or anything like that. 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna try and slow him down. I want 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: him to go okay. I think his superpower is his 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 5: get off and his hands and how physically violent he is. 127 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 5: And I want to see that every single play, sixty plays, 128 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: sixty times, is what I tell him. So the urgency 129 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: is that right? There is trying to build that habit 130 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: every single day, and that doesn't That's not easy to 131 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: do when you're coming you're coming from a red front 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 5: where you're asked to sit back in your stance and 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 5: allow things to happen, and then you go. I'm telling 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: him right now, I want you to go and make 135 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: things happen. 136 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: Okay, that was my follow up question. I think the 137 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: layman at home and say, oh, that's easy, just go 138 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: get the quarterback. But when you have not been accustomed 139 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: to playing in that style defense, how much of a 140 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: transition truly is that? 141 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 5: It's a tough transition and it takes a special type 142 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 5: of player to do that. Right, We're asking guys to 143 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 5: run through a dark room. All right, I'm gonna tell 144 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: him that, you know, no more do you have to 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 5: worry about a double team or a bass block or 146 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: a scoop block or reach block. Those things don't exist 147 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 5: to us because we're gone. I'm not trying to slow 148 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: this guy down. I want penetration. I want disruption, and 149 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 5: that's what he burns to the table. 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: I really enjoyed sitting with Mason when he came in 151 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: the day after he got drafted and met him and 152 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: his whole family, and he's a mild manner dude. He's 153 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: got a smile on his face. He's not a screamer. 154 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: He's not a yeller, although we've certainly seen it on 155 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: the field. And I asked him, how does he flip 156 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: that switch and become a different dude? He says he 157 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: gets that question all the time. You've been around a 158 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: lot of defensive linemen in your time, both teammates and 159 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: guys you've coached. How rare is that the quiet guy 160 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: who switches? 161 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I've played with a couple guys like that, 162 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 5: Luis Castillo to name one. You know where guys are 163 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: just they're really processing everything and absorbing information as much 164 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 5: information as they can. You know, but you know that 165 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: there's something burning inside of him that when he gets 166 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: on that field, when he steps on the field, you know, 167 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 5: a switch you know comes on right away and now 168 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 5: that guy becomes as a dangerous human being. So I 169 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 5: don't care if he doesn't want to scream or yell 170 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 5: or do anything like that. What I see on the 171 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: tape when he when he steps on the field, is 172 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 5: a guy that wants to be disruptive that wants to 173 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 5: get to the quarterback as fast as he can. So 174 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 5: you know, I'm not worried about is you know his demeanor. 175 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 5: I know that that guy plays pissed off when he 176 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 5: needs to. 177 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: What can he and fingers cross, a healthy Mike Hall 178 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: do for Miles and whomever, whether it's Maguire or Right 179 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: or Joe trying schrank or whomever on the other side, 180 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: what can those two tackles do to open things up? 181 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 5: Well, obviously, when you got two defensive tackles that are penetrators, 182 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 5: that are fast and disruptive, that can take the depth 183 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 5: of the pocket away from the quarterback, that's going to 184 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 5: open up a lot of things for god like Miles 185 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 5: and Joe and Alex and Za and Obo. So we 186 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 5: want those guys to understand, Hey, it's about pushing that 187 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 5: pocket in the quarterback's lap, making him uncomfortable so he 188 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 5: can't step up. And if he can't step up, all right, 189 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 5: and you got Miles coming around the edge. You know, 190 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: that's a recipe for success for us. So I'm I'm 191 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 5: excited to see him. Mike Hall. 192 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 193 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: You know, Malik Collins, you know, get after the quarterback 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 5: this year because I know that's only going to open 195 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 5: up the entire rush for all of us. 196 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: I know you're keeping your eye only on your room. 197 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: You got Carson Swestinger there as well. I love in 198 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: Tarbor's room at linebacker. Thoughts would you like? 199 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, super smart, super extinctual, can move really well, flip 200 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: his hips, run. I mean, the guy can hit. He's 201 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: a hitting machine. I'm excited to see what he is. 202 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 5: You know, I call him in California Luke Keikley. Okay, 203 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 5: so so you know he's gonna go out there and 204 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 5: he's gonna do some impressive things. I'm excited to see 205 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: what he can do. 206 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 3: And thoughts on the other side of the ball. What 207 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: you've seen, whether it's the quarterbacks, the running backs, Harold 208 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: Fan and whomever. 209 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think everybody, all the rookies are doing 210 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 5: a good job come and absorbing information and trying to 211 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 5: apply it on the field, you know, and and and 212 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: that's that's what we can be hopeful for right now. 213 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: You know, you know, last year's last year and it's gone. Okay, 214 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 5: we're not thinking about that anymore. So what we need 215 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 5: right now is young, fast, hungry, dog experienced people that 216 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: are gonna come out here and play their very best 217 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 5: football that can that they can play, compete, be tough, 218 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 5: and go win some football games. 219 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: You know, I was looking it up on the plane 220 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: that we're getting old. You know, you you and Shador's dad. 221 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: I know you didn't play against each other in a game, 222 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: but you guys overlapped in the league. 223 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, you know, 224 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: you know when you're hearing that these guys are born 225 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 5: in like two thousand, you know, and nineteen. 226 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: Ninety yeah, yeah, twenty one for another month, and. 227 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking to myself, Man, I don't know when 228 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: when it happened, when I got old, but no, I 229 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: love it, you know, I love seeing these guys come 230 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 5: out here and then do what they love to do. 231 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 5: This is the greatest port in America, and and you know, 232 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to be any other place. 233 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: Your voice came back in the course of this interview. 234 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: By the way, it did a little bit. 235 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 5: It did a little bit. I appreciate it. 236 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Shoxa's there is always great to see. Hope you get 237 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: five minutes off in June and we'll be back here 238 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: in a little bit. 239 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 5: I appreciate it. 240 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: Thank you Joxa's air. One of my favorite people. By 241 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: the way, Uh you saw that energy. Awesome and that 242 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: energy is going to flip that switch for Mason Graham, 243 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: which we did see on the field in Rookie Mini Caamp. 244 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: Don't take the Mason Graham on the podium as the 245 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: quiet aus shucks kid born in Orange County, living with 246 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: his family in Hawaii. He ain't that guy and everyone 247 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: has seen that already. Speaking of southern California, how about 248 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: Carson Swssinger. He is going to wear forty nine. This 249 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: was full disclosure recorded when he first came into the 250 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: Cross Country Mortgage campus the day after getting selected number 251 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: thirty three overall and before his interception that went viral 252 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: at Rookie Mini Caamp. Here, he is Carson Schwessinger. Welcome 253 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: to Cleveland, excited to be here. Can we get the 254 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: name out of the way, because I feel like I've 255 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: been tripped on times. It's actually a really easy name 256 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: to say, but people, you've probably heard it fifteen yeah ways, right. 257 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 2: Sons of different ways. 258 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: Ok. 259 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: Each coach says it differently wherever I'm at. 260 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: Too, So say it for the fans. 261 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: Swessinger. 262 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: Swessinger like a Jack Swssinger. Okay, we're going to get 263 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 3: it down. I apologize in advance if anyone scruis it up. 264 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: What's the craziest you've you've heard? 265 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: Oh? 266 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean it gets shortened at every place I'm at, 267 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: so nobody ever calls me Swessenger, and I can never 268 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: hear the the you know, broadcast saying it. 269 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: So. 270 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had coaches they'll shorten it to Swiss. 271 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Sounds good, but then it'll get to Schweice swice. 272 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they they're speaking to you in German, exactly right. 273 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: You don't speak German the record, No, okay, okay, so 274 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: we can call you sws. 275 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you call me whatever. Okay, it all works. 276 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: I mean, no, okay, we joked last night about the 277 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: number you're gonna go with, forty nine. I'm asking everyone 278 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: about their number, I think. 279 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: So, I mean, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right, perfect? 280 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? Did you know you were going with the first 281 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: pick and the second? 282 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: I did not know. 283 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: I had called my agents before and they kind of, 284 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, left They said they had known, but they 285 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: left me in in in the dark so that I 286 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: could be surprised, which is pretty. 287 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: Great and you found out and your reaction. 288 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: Was, oh, man. 289 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, well, when I first I get the call 290 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: answer the FaceTime, I'm like, oh, it's Cleveland, and then 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: it like kind of set in. But then when when 292 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: they actually said we're gonna take you with this pick, 293 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: I kind of just froze, like I didn't know. I 294 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: was speechless, you know, And so that was a pretty 295 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: cool moment. And then you know, the phone gets passed 296 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: around and talking to everybody, and then my family's all 297 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: there and so eventually hang up the phone. 298 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: Everyone starts cheering. It was a great moment. It's really exciting. 299 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 3: There's a UCLA connection as well with Brown's linebackers coach 300 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: Jason Tarvor. He was an assistant coach there many years 301 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: ago while working on his graduate degree, and I got 302 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: to I'm going to reach for my phone now to 303 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: get the major right, because you guys have that in 304 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: common as well. A bio engineering major, Carson. What is 305 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 3: a bio engineering major? 306 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: Courseload like, it's probably a little more than the normal 307 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: college athlete. Courseload A couple extra classes, a lot, a 308 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: lot of labs, so I'm doing a little bit more 309 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: and then lab reports and stuff, but it was all 310 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: stuff that I was interested in, so you know, it 311 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't too difficult for me, and really, really it 312 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: was just a matter of making sure I was prepared 313 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: for the week so that, you know, just don't get 314 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: caught behind, and make sure you turn everything in and 315 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: you should be good and. 316 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: You're able to squeeze it in and your journey is 317 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: amazing here. I know everyone asks about how a guy 318 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: goes from walk on to almost a first round pick, 319 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: but it speaks to the fact that you earned it. 320 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: From day number one. You went from special teams to 321 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: special teams demon to a starter, to All American to 322 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: second round pick. When did you know that that journey 323 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: was taking you to the NFL. 324 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: I think for me, even just showing up after the 325 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: first couple of practices at UCLA still a walk on. Still, 326 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, undersize for I showed up at like two ten, 327 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, things like that, and I remember calling my 328 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: mom and telling her I'm going to be able to 329 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: go play in the NFL, just just after watching the 330 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: first couple of practices. 331 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: And obviously I. 332 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: Knew that there would be a lot of work I 333 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: had to put in to get there. But I think 334 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that was huge for me 335 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: is just having the confidence that I could do it. 336 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: So when I was on the field, I wasn't I 337 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: wasn't worried about making mistakes because you know, I knew 338 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: what I was capable of. And then continuing still that 339 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: even with the confidence, having the work ethic of you know, 340 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: showing up as a walk on and making sure that 341 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: I was doing everything I could so that when I 342 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: got my opportunity, I was ready for it. 343 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: I also think it's great that you chose to bet 344 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: on yourself. I mean, what Buck Noll, maybe there was 345 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: an offer there as well. You went to Oaks Christian. 346 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: It's not as if you went to some small school 347 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: for the Ohio audience that doesn't know. You got a 348 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: lot of football talent coming out of your school, a 349 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: lot of NFL talent coming out of your school. And 350 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: it took Chip Kelly to say do you want to 351 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: walk out on at U c l A. Was it 352 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: a tough decision to stay at home and bet on 353 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: yourself in at that point the PAC twelve. 354 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Now, for me, I didn't think it was a tough 355 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: decision that that year two for recruitment was during COVID year, 356 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: so there wasn't a whole lot of options, like you said, 357 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: And I knew I wanted to play football in college. 358 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: So for me, once I heard I would be able 359 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: to walk on there, I was that wasn't a tough 360 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: decision at all. I'd get to stay close to home 361 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and play college football at the highest level, So pretty 362 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: easy decision for me. 363 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: Do you want to play special teams here as a row? 364 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just want to be on the 365 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: field as much as possible. 366 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: The way you said that, by the way, tells me 367 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: that you. 368 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: Love special teams. 369 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: What do you love about it? 370 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: All of it? 371 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you could change the change the game with 372 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: one play, regardless of what special teams it is. And 373 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: really I think special teams a lot of times wins 374 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: wins and loses games, and so being able to make 375 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: an impact on special teams is something that's huge, and 376 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: it's it's where it's what got me my start at UCLA. 377 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: And and led me to where I'm at. 378 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: And you know, it's a piece that even when I 379 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: was playing more this year, they're you know, trying to 380 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: take me off some of the things, and I you 381 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: know I had to, you know, argue a little bit 382 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: to be able to keep be kept on some of them. 383 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: What was that transition like when you finally did get 384 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: your call and then dude, you took off. I mean 385 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 3: led the nation in solo tackles, So it's not like 386 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: when they gave you your shot you did anything other 387 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: than own it. 388 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the transition was was smooth. I mean for me 389 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: going into games, my whole mindset is just just feel 390 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: like it's practice. 391 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: I like how I practiced. 392 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: I think I practiced hard and practice fast, and so 393 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: I always feel comfortable in practice and I know what 394 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: I'm doing, and so really the goals just translate that 395 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: into the games and I'll be able to play fast 396 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: and play the type of football I know I'm able 397 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: to play, and you know, so the transition was was 398 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: pretty smooth for me. 399 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: Who are the linebackers you look to in the NFL? Anybody? 400 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. 401 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: I Mean they have a great linebacker here with Jay Okay, 402 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: the versatility he has and just what he's done, and 403 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: he's been brought in the league. I think for me, 404 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: one of my one of my favorites not doesn't play anymore, 405 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: but Keith Lee was one of one of my all 406 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: time favorites. Just what he does in terms of his 407 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: knowledge of the game and then the effort and relentlessness 408 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: he plays with. And you know, as a linebacker, you 409 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: gotta once you get on the field, it doesn't matter 410 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: how you are off the field, but once you get 411 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: on the field, you got to have a little bit 412 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: of a screw loose and you know, ready to go 413 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: run into you. Oh yeah, ready to go run and 414 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: hit whatever it takes to win. And so he's another one. 415 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 3: And finally a message for Browns fans, Carson, what would 416 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: it be? 417 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: A message for Browns fans? I mean, we're showing up 418 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: to the dog pound now, and you can see with 419 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: this whole draft, we're bringing a lot of dogs. So 420 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: get ready for for uh, you know, the most rowty 421 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: dog dog pound. You're gonna get a lot of dogs 422 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: flying all over the field. 423 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: They're gonna love that. Carson Swesssinger. Congratulations again, welcome to Cleveland. Yes, sir, 424 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: I think Browns fans are really gonna love Carson Swessinger. 425 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: And you're probably gonna see a lot more of him 426 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: than maybe we expected. Look, thirty three overall pick. You 427 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: do know he is going to be out there plenty. 428 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 3: He needs to be an instant impact guy. But Gibbey, 429 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: since we recorded that, we got the news that Jeremiah 430 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: lusu Cormo is not going to play football this season. 431 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: Put on the pup list and he's not going to 432 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: be here, so they already made up their mind. He 433 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: is getting better, he is at the Cross Country Mortgage campus. 434 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: He is improving, but he's still not yet at the 435 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: point where he is ready to play football. There are 436 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 3: legitimate questions as to whether or not he is going 437 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: to get to that point. I think that is fair 438 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: to say. But this is one of those injuries where 439 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: it needs time to heal. He needs time as well 440 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: to figure out how he wants to proceed. And the 441 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: Browns just said, and he said, and the doctors said, 442 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: you know what, let's take all the guest work and 443 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: the pressure out of it this year. Let's just say 444 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: we're going to pass on twenty twenty five. 445 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 4: And it sucks because he does. It sucks for him. 446 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: He's a great young man. He's We've spent a lot 447 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: of time with him on a number of our shows, 448 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 4: whether it's Brown's Daily, whether it's BPA, whether it's you know, 449 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 4: Brown's pre game or you know the previous show or 450 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 4: Stefanski shows. He's truly one of the good guys and 451 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 4: one of the leaders on this football team. They made 452 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 4: the right decision. I mean, you've got to take care 453 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: of the human first. Like he's got to have a 454 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: quality of life. He's got to be able to, you know, 455 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: be able to do things. And he's active. He's active 456 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: in the community. He's active back in his native country 457 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: like he's he's all over the place, and he wants 458 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 4: to be involved in things, and you take care of 459 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 4: the health first. Health and safety is the priority. Made 460 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 4: the right decision. It stinks not having him out there, 461 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 4: but I feel like he's going to be a guy 462 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: that's going to be around here and around here a lot. 463 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 3: He's going to be in the meeting rooms. He's going 464 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: to be with Tarvor. 465 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 4: He may become that coach on the sidelines that really 466 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 4: helps some of these young guys and that linebacker room 467 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: come together. 468 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: I've been asked, did the Browns know when they drafted Carson' Swessenger. 469 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: My answer would be, I think they had a good 470 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: idea certainly that this was the likely outcome for twenty 471 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: twenty five. Carson s Wessinger also as a heck of 472 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: a player. Then you could see teams traded down after 473 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: the Browns took him at thirty three. Other people wanted him, 474 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: I know from other NFL buildings. They were like, I 475 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: wanted that guy. So he's Look, he's a great pick 476 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: regardless of jok situation. But you need a linebacker and 477 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: you're right on the personal side. It is heartbreaking for Joka, 478 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 3: but I'm also really happy that he is in a 479 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: good place. It could have been worse. He's in a 480 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: good place right now. He legitimately is improving and on 481 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: the field, what you lose speaks for itself. He was 482 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: playing at an all pro level. He had been a 483 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: Pro Bowler of the Year before. He was playing at 484 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: an all pro level. What Andrew Berry said in his 485 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: press release when Jok signed the extension about being a 486 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: shape shifter. That was the line I always used on 487 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: NFL Network. He was a shape shifter. It's like you're 488 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 3: watching the matrix. You know how Miles Garrett can bend 489 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 3: around left, tackle right and almost go parallel to the ground. 490 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: Jok can do that under running backs trying to pick 491 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: up a blitz under pulling guards on a sweep that 492 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: he can duck under and take down that running back 493 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: for a five yard loss. He did things and can 494 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: keep a present tense. He does things when healthy, getting 495 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: under blocks in the backfield that no other player in 496 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: the NFL can do. Period. So you're losing an all 497 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: pro on the field and as corny as it sounds, 498 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: an all pro off the field. He's going to be around. 499 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: He is around and fingers crossed here. There is a 500 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 3: day where he can get back on the football field. 501 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: But if he can't, you know what, guy's got a 502 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 3: lot going on, a lot going on, and he is 503 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: a treasure to the organization and the community. Yeah. 504 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 4: I just want them to get better, get better, and 505 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: then we'll figure out the next steps. They made the 506 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: right decision. Take your time coming back. We know what 507 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 4: our linebacker room is. I think it's still pretty good. Yeah, 508 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: and we go from there. 509 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 3: Exactly and veteran leadership there with Jordan Hicks coming back. 510 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: All right, this is it. One more OTA BPA until 511 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: it's mandatory medicam time. And your participation in the pod 512 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: is always mandatory as we come full. 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