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Speaker 1: so much to talk about today, um so in this

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Speaker 1: month of Local radio. We have been out and about.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing a bunch of gigs, UM recording a lot,

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Speaker 1: We've been busy building. It's been really great. So as

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Speaker 1: a recap, we want to think once again Joanna from

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Speaker 1: the Unapologetically Brown Girl series for when she was here

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Speaker 1: host it and it was amazing. There were so many

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Speaker 1: people that came out and it was really beautiful to

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Speaker 1: see so many Central Americans. It was a beautiful event.

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Speaker 1: It really support of her and like the connection that

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Speaker 1: they feel with Joanna as as a Central American. So

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Speaker 1: it was super super dope, super badass, So shout out also, UM,

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Speaker 1: we recorded a capitolo with cat Lazo, and we also

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Speaker 1: recorded a caplo with Amy Ki Cheese East Coast Mommies,

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Speaker 1: the both of them both Fanas and columbian Us. And

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Speaker 1: then when I'm from New York and from New York

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Speaker 1: right and then when actually when we recorded our capitolo

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Speaker 1: with Amy, cat Lazo did the videography, basically she was

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Speaker 1: teaching us how to use our new equipment. She really

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Speaker 1: how this works. Thank you girl, you much chat and

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Speaker 1: Amy and Joanna, good times. We have so many you

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Speaker 1: know what this actually ties it and actually because to

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Speaker 1: the theme of sisterhood. Yes, that was touched upon not

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Speaker 1: only at the Unapologetically Brown series, but also like in

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Speaker 1: working with Cat and then also at the Martinez events.

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Speaker 1: So we were very lucky, very fortunate to be a

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Speaker 1: part of Councilwoman Nui Martinez's event called in Her Words

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Speaker 1: it was a night of spoken word music, dance, poetry

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Speaker 1: and us. So it was super fantastic. We fancied and

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Speaker 1: The women that were there, majority of the attendees were women. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we asked them, you know, questions like we talked

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Speaker 1: said that one of them dated the other one's brother

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Speaker 1: everything that we've accomplished so far, like every stage we've

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Speaker 1: So it's also really amazing to see like our listeners

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Speaker 1: in city government, in production companies, different types of media, um, journalism, everywhere.

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Speaker 1: dispensaries everywhere everywhere. Yes, who, I'm already, I'm exhausted, I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 1: It is hiring being us, well, mama. She also taught

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Speaker 1: a self defense class earlier today before recording. This is

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Speaker 1: very true. This is very true. A little tired in Westlake,

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Speaker 1: and my favorite self defense classes to teach are always

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Speaker 1: it's great, it's it's a good time. So that was

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Speaker 1: class before like a Saturday. So yeah, um, what else

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Speaker 1: Massachusetts in Medford slash Summerville, Massachusetts. So um, we ended

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Speaker 1: had a friend Tatiana Hey girl um flying in from Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: good time. So yes, yeah, that's really good. It was fun,

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Speaker 1: good good. You're like, good for you, girl, for you, bitch.

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Speaker 1: is having fun, Jesus. So what else? Oh, we kind

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Speaker 1: wanted to say that Mom and I are wearing the

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Speaker 1: was unplanned? Can we show the world usual? As per usual?

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Speaker 1: This is completely unplanned. Like I was walking across the street.

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Speaker 1: She was like getting the equipment out of her car,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, of course, yep, we're where the pink one,

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Speaker 1: had this great idea of talking about weird things the

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Speaker 1: have to keep tabs of like the things that I

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Speaker 1: first thing that happened, Um, I was at perch with

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Speaker 1: have to it's an l a thing, gotta do it,

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Speaker 1: could tell that they're like white feminists who like spend

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Speaker 1: know how they do that all that stuff, like I

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Speaker 1: don't know how, I can't emulate it, but you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And she's being really aggressive in her delivery,

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Speaker 1: il cha, like I'm speaking in Spanglish, like unabashedly, like

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Speaker 1: if you need a response, you know, please email us

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Speaker 1: look at our radio at gmail dot com with that

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Speaker 1: on the subject line, if it's like priority or like

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, yes, just because realistically, you know,

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Speaker 1: we cannot get to our emails every day and we

429
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: cannot respond to them when we get Just just the

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Speaker 1: other day, MoMA and I and I saw it yesterday.

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00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Mom and I were invited to uh an exclusive like

432
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: film screening on Thursday, and we didn't see it until Friday.

433
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: We have literally missed job opportunities, paid opportunities. We have

434
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: missed multiple opportunities, and that's on us to figure out

435
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: a better system. Right now, we just don't have it.

436
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure a lot of our listeners who are working,

437
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: who are students who have multiple jobs, who are running

438
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Speaker 1: around like all day every day and exhausted like you know,

439
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: because we know who our listeners are, like you're like us,

440
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, so yeah, all that to say,

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00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: like these are sort of our protocols, um, when it

442
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: comes to communicating emails, curious cat. If it's a d M,

443
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Speaker 1: we probably are not going to get to it realistically,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um. So we try our best. Um, we

445
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: do our best. Um, we can always do better, but

446
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: please bear with us. Yeah, thank you for being patient

447
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: with us. Yeah, well, let's go into our song right now,

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Speaker 1: or castera belly Rosa Rara and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and belly rang and

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Speaker 1: and and send Elly rang and and and and belly

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Speaker 1: rong and and and and from from from from of

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Speaker 1: it and share. Okay, yes, that's a good song. Be careful.

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Speaker 1: I hope you get what you're looking for basically, basically, basically,

455
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Speaker 1: I hope you get everything that you're looking for. Yeah,

456
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Karma is going to get the partners, Yes, yes, absolutely. Anyways, um.

457
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: Any who, so we're back from our little break and

458
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: we wanted so we're introducing lots of little new segments. Right.

459
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: So the one that we just did was right, like, um,

460
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: ways that white women were weird this week? Right? Um?

461
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: And then we also want to introduce a new concept

462
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and a new segment, which is basically like times that

463
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: we were ways that we were problematic this week, or

464
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: ways that we were problematic this month or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: for like the sake of having an ongoing conversation with ourselves,

466
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: ongoing conversation with our listeners about like you know, like

467
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: always being self reflective and being self aware and recognizing

468
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: where we're stepping on other people, other people's toes or

469
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: other people other people where we're not like holding ourselves

470
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: accountable and not being like the best that we can

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Speaker 1: be in those ways. So yeah, here's a way that

472
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: we were problematic. It So we're nervous, but it's not

473
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: about us. It's not about that, but it is about us.

474
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, so we were problematic, and we were

475
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: problematic in multiple ways. And I want to say, for

476
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: full transparency, um, what happened, like the timeline of the events. Right,

477
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: So we worked with a photographer recently, and I want

478
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Speaker 1: to say that she will she will be renamed, she

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Speaker 1: will be she will not her name or her her

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Speaker 1: I G handle right now, we don't have hers, don't

481
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: have her consent and share if you've noticed, not on

482
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: our Instagram, not in our recordings, like we don't share

483
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: like names or handles of like any listeners or community

484
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: members like as as far as a call out sence, UM,

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00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: we just don't do it. It's just not something that

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00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: we practice. However, there is a listener UM or an

487
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: Instagram follower, but she did consent to for to use

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Speaker 1: her name, and her name is Malacca UM and her

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Speaker 1: IG handle is afre fm a f r a fm UM.

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Speaker 1: And she reached out to us because of photographer that

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Speaker 1: we recently worked with, UM down in their timeline has

492
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: a photo and she's wearing individual braids, which we know

493
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: is a hairstyle originated by and for black women. So

494
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Speaker 1: the photographer, I mean the listener, Malacca, she damned us

495
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: and basically said, like I saw this. I tried engaging

496
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Speaker 1: in a conversation with her, and she blocked me, and

497
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: it was really hurtful. You know, can y'all talk to

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Speaker 1: this person because you've obviously worked with her, UM, she's

499
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: obviously a member of your community. So I think that

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00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, I would like y'all to talk to her,

501
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: And we were completely open. We had not seen that

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00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: picture before, to be completely honest, um, but we immediately

503
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: looked for it, and our immediate thought to rectify the

504
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: situation was to invite Malaca on the show to you know,

505
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: discuss her work, discuss you know, appropriation of hair, cultural

506
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: appropriation in general, especially by non black latinos of black culture,

507
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: right right right, so um. And in addition, we said

508
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: that we would reach out to this person and we

509
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: would talk to her to the photographer, to the photographer,

510
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and so we would talk to her individually, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: We funked up in the sense that we were defensive. Yeah,

512
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: we tried to um because what we said was that like, um,

513
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: which is true, but it didn't it wasn't necessary information

514
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: in the context of the conversation. But what we said

515
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Speaker 1: in our our first communication with her, like our response

516
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: to her DM was that and by the way, like

517
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: seeing the DM, we were like, oh, like, well this

518
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Speaker 1: we don't respond to our d m s really, but

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00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: this seems like a really important one that we should

520
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Speaker 1: respond too. So we chose to like actually like engage

521
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: and respond to it. And so we said, like, you know,

522
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: like we haven't like we don't do extensive like checks

523
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: about on like our collaborators, and that people who collaborate

524
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: with us, like as far as like artistically, if we

525
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: see that there's sort of like well this, you know,

526
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: if we see that they're sort of in the community

527
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: and they're around and they're involved, like we're comfortable working

528
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: with Like we work with people all the time, Like

529
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: people reach out to us like in different ways, like

530
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: to record on the podcast or to do a project

531
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: or to do an event, and we we will quite

532
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: often say yes because we um give people really the

533
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt and we are open to working

534
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Speaker 1: with new people who are around, so especially when they're

535
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Speaker 1: associate associated with a group, with an organization that we've

536
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: worked with or we respect or that we really care about. Yeah.

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00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: So um a Laca basically explained to us that these

538
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: the communication was problematic in the following ways, right, that

539
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: like we were as ventially like attempting to distance ourselves

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00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: from this particular photographer, like to not claim responsibility or

541
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: not to act on it, and then like assuming that

542
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: like Malacca wanted like a call out or like a

543
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: public like whatever which she didn't ask for, right, But again,

544
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: we want to put out there, like we have been

545
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: talking about ourselves here in our space like call out

546
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: and UM online call out culture for a minute now,

547
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: especially in light of like our last episode with Bella Donna,

548
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: which that was the entire focus of it, and sort

549
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: of like our informal like method of dealing with that

550
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: has always been like we just don't do it, UM,

551
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: but we haven't made that like a formal public like

552
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: solidified like known UM piece of how we interact with

553
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: that instagram, Right, So we made the assumption that that

554
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: is basically what she was after, even though she never

555
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: or not that we made the assumption, but we like

556
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: stated like this is our boundary. However that was she

557
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: never implied that. So I think it was problematic in

558
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: that way that that was one of our first reactions

559
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: or not reactions, but replies. UM. I also wanted to

560
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: be clear, like we do not condone appropriation of black culture,

561
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: of black women's of black women's hair, like that is

562
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: never okay. I want that to be clear, and I

563
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: regret that that was not one of the first things

564
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: that we said, like I'm sorry that this person UM

565
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: treated you this way, I'm sorry that it was harmful

566
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: to you for this reason, and like this isn't how

567
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: can we help? And that was the approach that we

568
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: should have taken, um, And that is where we fucked up. Um.

569
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: After those the initial instagram d M, s um Alaka

570
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: wanted us to she wanted to move over to email,

571
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: so we gave her our email. She emailed us a

572
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: few days later. UM, and we saw the email and

573
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: we made a mental note like to each other, you know,

574
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: like let's reply to this, you know, when we have

575
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: when we have it, when we have some time when

576
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: we sit down and we can sit down and actually reply. Um.

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00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: We let a little over two weeks go by. Yeah,

578
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: so at this point, UM, it appears that we're ignoring her.

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00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: It appears that because she was not happy with our

580
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: response because it was problematic, right, like that we were

581
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: just going to like kind of wipe our hands clean

582
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: and walk away, like all right, this isn't really our

583
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: problem anyway. That was never the case for us, But

584
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: that was the impact of our actions. UM. And that's

585
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: something that's really important to talk about when we're talking

586
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: about ally ship, is that we can have really good intentions,

587
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: but when you're not actually acting on them, the impact

588
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: can be really harmful and it can be really negative. No,

589
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: of course, like you have to act, you have to

590
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: actually put out effort um. And so our issue is

591
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: like multifaceted. It's like trifled if you will, um. So,

592
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: like we have to be better about like making our

593
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: elves as available as possible within our like our limits

594
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: um to like respond when there are sort of community

595
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: level issues that have to do with the podcast. Because

596
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: let's be very clear, like in our Los Angeles community,

597
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: we are like what we said before, like we are

598
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: very available to a lot of people all the time,

599
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: like out here in these streets and like again like

600
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm available, you know what I mean, Like work wise,

601
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: like we are always like responding, responding and like putting

602
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: out fires and handling traumas and different things because we

603
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: are actual community members with responsibilities and families and all

604
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: of these things. Now as far as the podcast and

605
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: our podcast community and our online community and people that

606
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: we don't you know, convene with every day in real

607
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: life and that we don't have they're not coworkers, they're

608
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: not um neighbors, they're not family members, but they're still

609
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: a part of a community, and I think we have

610
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: to sort of like figure out how to better center

611
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: this podcast world and this podcast community that very real

612
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: people and they're very real like histories and you know,

613
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: feelings and things are a part of it. Does that

614
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: make sense? Doesn't make sense? Well? I mean and I

615
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: think that because because of what this conversation is about, right,

616
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: because what Malacca reached out to us about, what how

617
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: we should have handled, um, the conversation with the photographer, right,

618
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: that should have been top priority for us. Obviously not

619
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: something that we could do like at the snap of

620
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: a finger, but we should have scheduled a time or

621
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: we should earn for transparent transparency purposes. We should have

622
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: let Malacca know, like we're really swamped right now, we've

623
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: read this email, we will get back to you than

624
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: a week. We'll get back to you on this day,

625
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: like know that we are going to talk to this person.

626
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: So by us not being transparent, um it, you know,

627
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it seemed like we were ignoring her, which was the

628
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: last thing that we ever wanted to do. Um. So

629
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: then what happened after Well, so then we got a

630
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: number of well you personally got a number of d

631
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: M s and on your personal contacts and then we

632
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: as a podcast on the look I thought a Gmail

633
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: got a number of emails from different like community members

634
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and like especially listeners, and I would say like friends

635
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: of Malacca and also friends of yours like personal friends,

636
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: right right, Well, the in my experience, the firm community

637
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Speaker 1: is um, there's there's a lot of online activity, right,

638
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Speaker 1: There's like a group page for like firms of color

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Speaker 1: in l A. So there's there's a lot, there's a

640
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of communicating happening, you know.

641
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's that's what happened in this case,

642
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: which I'm also like super proud of in a way

643
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: because of like the way that community mobilized for one person, yes,

644
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, and like to hold us accountable for our

645
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: actions and our inactions, you know what I mean? And

646
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: that really is what community is about, that we hold

647
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: each other accountable. Right Yeah. So basically, UM, they were

648
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: basically letting us know that they were amplifying like malaccas

649
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: um uh communications with us so that we would prioritize

650
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: responding UM. And so like by the time that most

651
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: of those emails had gotten into us, we had already

652
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: responded to Malacca and like sent our response to her,

653
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: and so we let everybody know, like we've responded. Um,

654
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: we've reached out to the photographer, which again from the

655
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: beginning was always our stated goal and intention and plan,

656
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: and we did and we have multiple times. UM, and

657
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: we haven't heard back, and we haven't heard a response back,

658
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: but we've invited like a conversation via text, via phone

659
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: call in person. Um. The podcast is always an open

660
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: forum like for anybody and everybody to come on and

661
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: talk within reason. Um. And so you know, like we

662
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: still love this person and we still want to have

663
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: conversations with this person, and like we have no desire

664
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: to like vilify or like burn bridges or anything like that.

665
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: Like that's not my goal. UM. So yes, right, and

666
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: you know if she's listening, this photographer is listening. UM,

667
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, I hope that you check in with us.

668
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: I hope that you give us all. It's these kinds

669
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: of you know, when you're you're basically checked, right, you

670
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: you're being checked by multiple people, Like it can feel

671
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: personal or it could feel like you're being um, like

672
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: you're you're just you're being called out. I mean essentially

673
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: like you know, and but know that it's like it's

674
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: so much larger conversation right about like anti blackness in

675
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: the Latino community, right, like black Latinos appropriating black culture.

676
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, there's there's a one specific person that

677
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: did this, but it's also speaks to a larger issue

678
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: in our community, right, So it's like exactly exactly. So

679
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you're listening, you know, I hope that

680
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: you check in with us, talk to us, and you know,

681
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: so we can unpack this together. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely So again,

682
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: if you would like to ask a question, especially a

683
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: question that you would like to be answered or has

684
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: a chance of being answered on the podcast itself, UM,

685
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: please hit the curious cat If you have anything related

686
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: to like collaborating, working together concerns, like you want to

687
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: hold this accountable for something or point out an issue. Um,

688
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: the recommendation is to send us an email look at

689
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: our radio at gmail dot com. Um, we cannot work

690
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: according to any specific person's timeline to let us know

691
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: if it's like, um, you know, time sensitive and we

692
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: can you know, do our best to try and respond,

693
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: but don't expect anything shorter than a two week response

694
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: and generally generally generally speaking, and I think that it

695
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: would be case by case, right, It's a case by

696
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: case basis, like in this in this instance, now after

697
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: having had this experience, now we're developing more of like okay,

698
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: we have to discern and make time. Yeah, and it's

699
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: as this has really been a learning lesson for us

700
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: UM for so many reasons, like we've already stated. And

701
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: I would like to reiterate an apology to Malacca for

702
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, not prioritizing the conversation that she was really

703
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: trying to have with us UM and also Um, I

704
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: want to respect all the emotional labor that she has

705
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: done in engaging with the photographer, in engaging with us

706
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: and corresponding with us. And you know, we have extended

707
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: an invitation for her to come onto the show, so

708
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: she actually will be on the show April, which is

709
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: a Saturday. So I'm really looking forward to hearing more

710
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: about her work. I know she does dopest stuff in

711
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: the community. She's um in the Bay so she does

712
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: like Bay Area things, but she's also like out here

713
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: in l A from time to time. So her Instagram

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Speaker 1: is at afra FM a f R a f E

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Speaker 1: m M E. Um, so give her a follow. Um,

716
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: she does really great work. And yeah, we're really excited

717
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: to have her on in the future. Yeah, and thank

718
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: you for um, you know, coming on the show and

719
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: for checking us and for engaging in the conversation. And

720
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: we look forward to working with you and to meeting you.

721
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I'm continuing continuing to continuing the talk. Right.

722
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing that Malacca did say in

723
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: one of the follow up emails that we had is that,

724
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, she wants us as Local Thought Radio to

725
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: be you know, vulnerable in this process of accountability for

726
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: the hurt that we've caused in the hurt, the and

727
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: the and what we've condoned, right, and that that is

728
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: our that is what we're trying to do by discussing

729
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: this goal and and yeah, and I think it's also

730
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: a testament as to like, Okay, we do have a

731
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: larger platform than we sometimes even realize. Yeah, it's a

732
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: little bit scary, to be honest with you. Well, I

733
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: think for me personally, like I see our platform and

734
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: I see it growing, but then I see it on

735
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: the scale of like our friends, like let's I guess

736
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: you got for example, and I'm like, oh, we're a baby,

737
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: We're still relatively small, but then these things happen and

738
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, okay, we do have some type

739
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: of um responsibility as a platform. It's that balance, right,

740
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: because it's that balance between just being very like realistic,

741
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: like realistically, these are the numbers that we're dealing with.

742
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: This is the number of people, These are the number

743
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: of messages, This is the number of times that we're

744
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: being reached out to or we're being recognized. And then

745
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: there's the you know, like be like, don't get a

746
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: big head, don't think too much of yourself. So when

747
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: we say like, look like we're really not we don't

748
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: have that kind of power, We don't have that kind

749
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: of reach. It's true on the one hand, when our

750
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: accounts are still in the negative every single month, you know, like,

751
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: how much power do I have when my account is

752
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: in the negative every month? You know what I mean?

753
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: There's that, but you're learning, it's learning but also recognizing well, no, like, yeah,

754
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: the platform is a platform. The reach is the reach.

755
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: It is there, but what is the extent? That's something different?

756
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean to the extent? The reach is there?

757
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: But with the extent of the reach. Oh, I see

758
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: what you mean. I see what you mean. You know

759
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: right right? Well, I mean, like we said, this is

760
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: the learning learning, a learning process of journey. I mean

761
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: the podcast in general, right, but this in particular has

762
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: been a learning experience as for like accountability and transparency

763
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: and like how we can be better allies to black

764
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: fems because you know that is women of color and

765
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: black women are and fems or who we center in

766
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: this podcast. So you know, again moving forward, like we

767
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: would like to, we want to be actively be better

768
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: allies to black women in black fems. Yeah, absolutely, so

769
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: thank you for listening and for the patients and for

770
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the working with us. Yes, yes, yes, believe it or not,

771
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: Like we wanted to make sure that we like handled

772
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: a whole situation like appropriately, like with everyone's best intentions

773
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: in my believe it or not, believe it or not

774
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: believe it or not? Okay, okay, okay. Announcements. So next

775
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: time on look at that our radio join us again.

776
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: UM in April, we have a lot well, just like

777
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: in March we had a lot going on, in April,

778
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: we have maybe even more going on. Um. So first

779
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: we have a few different events. We have the Lovely

780
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Ladies of Let's Give, which is one of our favorite

781
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: local youth led grassroots like UM organization's nonprofits. Um So

782
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Moranita and Dandy Mandy are going to be coming up

783
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: on April. They're recording with us April seven. April seven,

784
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: they're recording with us and we are working with them

785
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: for a tribe called Culture, which is April. So they'll

786
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: be discussing that more in depth UM next Saturday, Saturday.

787
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: They'll be our guest next Saturday. Yes, so we're gonna

788
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: be fem C's will be from C's UM for the

789
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: evening the talent portion, I believe UM, and it's gonna

790
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: be in the in the I was gonna stay in

791
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: the bay in the South Bay UM of l A.

792
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: So we'll keep you all posted on those details. Like

793
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: I said, they'll be discussing the following week. UM, we

794
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: are going to post the flyer. Post the flyer. We

795
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: are going to be back at UC Santa Barbara, my

796
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: alma mater, on April on Friday for the DOT conference

797
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: and we will be doing a keynote. So if you're

798
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, come through say the conference. Yes, UM

799
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna be at USC twice in April.

800
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: So on April tenth, we are going to be there

801
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: on campus leading a workshop. UM. I believe we're gonna

802
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: be talking about our multidimensional health concepts, which was one

803
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: of ours, one of our early cups that we have

804
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: to revisit again we have to go back to. So

805
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 1: that's April tenth at USC. Also at USC, we're gonna

806
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: be leading a fem Defense workshop on April seventeen, so

807
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna be all over the place. We'll be recording. UM.

808
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Make sure that you're sending us questions to a Curious

809
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Cat for future oya looka segments. UM. We hope that

810
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: you enjoyed our Looks on location from Vive La Mohead

811
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: And just so you know, if you want to bring

812
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: less Looks to your location, hit us up, email us. UM.

813
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: As far as like covering events, conferences, you know, whatever

814
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: the situation is, film screenings, because we need things to

815
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: talk about on the podcast, and we have the ability

816
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: to go out and record more mobile interviews and street interviews,

817
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: so invite us, hit us up and we'll bring ourselves. Yeah. Well,

818
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to another installments of local radio,

819
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: our radio phonding novella. Yes, you know where to listen

820
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: to us. We're on Apple Podcast, audio Boom, SoundCloud, Spotify,

821
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: check us on YouTube. UM, we'll catch you next time.

822
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Bessie does