WEBVTT - 2 - Shadows and Surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>May fifth, nineteen eighty one, benson Hurst, Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>A group of men waited inside an empty nightclub. The

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine murder of Carmi Galanti two years before

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<v Speaker 1>had resulted in a power struggle at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the Banano crime family, and these men were here to

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<v Speaker 1>sort it out. The man calling the shots was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight year old Joe Messino, truck hijacker, ruthless killer, and

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<v Speaker 1>loyal ally of Banano boss Rusty Rostelli. Messino was also

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<v Speaker 1>one of the men responsible for Carmine Galanti's murder. On

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<v Speaker 1>the agenda for this so called administration meeting peace talks

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<v Speaker 1>with three ambitious captains buying for control of the family

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<v Speaker 1>in the wake of Galante's death. With one unassuming soldier

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<v Speaker 1>in tow, the three capos entered the club unarmed, expecting

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<v Speaker 1>a peaceful negotiation. As they neared, one of Messino's men

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<v Speaker 1>discreetly ran a hand through his hair. It was a signal.

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<v Speaker 1>Four masked gunmen burst out of a closet, armed with

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<v Speaker 1>pistols and a sawd off shotgun. The three capos they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stand a chance. Power was once again restored to

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<v Speaker 1>Rusty Rostelli, while Joe Messino had amassed more influence than

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<v Speaker 1>ever before and he was far from finished.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not with the mob because you want to be.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the gangster that decides whether you're his associated on.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like your life, you will vote to acquit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Anethega Nicolazzi. My father should have been a dead man.

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<v Speaker 1>From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts. This is Law and

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<v Speaker 1>Order Criminal Justice System. In our last episode, we brought

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<v Speaker 1>you the story of Carmen Gallanti, a one time hitman

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<v Speaker 1>who rose through the ranks of organized crime to become

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<v Speaker 1>the de facto boss of the Banano crime family. That

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<v Speaker 1>is until he was gunned down outside an Italian restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn in July of nineteen seventy nine. His murder

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<v Speaker 1>would mark a seminal moment, and not just the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the mob. In New York, but also in law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcements approach to investigating and prosecuting the mafia. For nearly

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<v Speaker 1>a century, the Five Families had used bribery, blackmail, extortion,

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<v Speaker 1>and murder to control the city with little or no

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<v Speaker 1>opposition from law enforcement, and by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies their power had reached new heights. But after

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<v Speaker 1>Galante's murder, that was all about to change. Armed with

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<v Speaker 1>what was then cutting edge technology, the FBI knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the best way to crack a coat of silence was

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<v Speaker 1>to infiltrate the very homes and hangouts of mobsters, eavesdropping

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<v Speaker 1>on their conversations. To accomplish this, they would rely on

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<v Speaker 1>an array of hidden bugs and wire taps placed by

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<v Speaker 1>a team of fearless undercover operatives known as black bagging.

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<v Speaker 3>We did have black bags on occasion, but any bag

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<v Speaker 3>would work if you had to slip into some place.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Joseph Canta Messa. I was a special

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<v Speaker 3>agent with the FBI for twenty two years. I retired

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was one of the bureau's most successful tech specialists,

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<v Speaker 1>whose work directly led to the incarceration of countless members

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<v Speaker 1>of organized crime, but at the time of the Three

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<v Speaker 1>Kappos murder in nineteen eighty one, Joe was a young

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<v Speaker 1>agent working undercover as a phone repairman in Little Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>known to locals as.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Aquino a q U, I n complete identity, backstopped

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<v Speaker 3>if necessary, driver's license, vehicle registration, real true address if

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<v Speaker 3>you wanted to check it. Joe was a phone man,

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<v Speaker 3>but I could have been an electrician. I could have

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<v Speaker 3>been a TV repairman. I had different identity for different companies.

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<v Speaker 1>And much like a spy, before even attempting to bug

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<v Speaker 1>his prospective target, Joe took meticulous care in building his

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<v Speaker 1>backstory to establish himself as a believable and familiar member

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<v Speaker 1>of the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Little Literally, it's a pretty popular, touristy kind of place.

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<v Speaker 3>There are regulars there, and there were a few social

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<v Speaker 3>clubs there, and they pretty much pay attention to what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on unless you're a tourist.

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<v Speaker 1>These social clubs were members only, commonly used as a

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<v Speaker 1>base of operations for crime families.

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<v Speaker 3>For me to be recognized, I would show up on

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<v Speaker 3>a frequent basis in my telephone truck. I would find

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<v Speaker 3>the closest social club, and I would park right in

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<v Speaker 3>front of the door, and I would get out, and

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<v Speaker 3>I would walk the neighborhood, going in and out of

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<v Speaker 3>various front doors. You know, again, I've been ingratiating myself

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<v Speaker 3>to the neighborhood doing favors because back then the New

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<v Speaker 3>York Telephone and the Bell system owned everything. You leased

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<v Speaker 3>everything from the phone company. Here I am the gracious

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<v Speaker 3>guy who will occasionally throw a client the long cord

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. It took weeks for me to get recognized

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<v Speaker 3>as somebody that belonged in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>The easiest part about fronting as a telephone repairman is

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<v Speaker 1>that for Joe it wasn't a lie because he actually

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<v Speaker 1>had the same job in high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was working for New Jersey Bell Telephone as

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<v Speaker 3>a telephone installer repairman. There were only two truly former

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<v Speaker 3>telephone installer repairman as FBI agents in the entire organization,

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<v Speaker 3>so we didn't have to like figure out how to

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<v Speaker 3>look like being a phone man. We were the phone man.

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<v Speaker 1>But given the kind of people he was up against,

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<v Speaker 1>he would also need the ability to improvise and stay

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<v Speaker 1>cool under pressure. One false move could mean his life.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't always know how it's going to play out.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I want to try and accomplish. You

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<v Speaker 3>had to just kind of like take what came along.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the time Joe was installing a microphone behind a

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<v Speaker 1>telephone wall plate. His target became suspicious and started quizzing him.

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<v Speaker 3>The question came up as to where I was from,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, East Broncx, you know, right off of

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<v Speaker 3>White Plains Road. And I started talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>my aunt worked in the Vicaro's bakery, my other aunt

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<v Speaker 3>was a ticket taker at the Wakefield. And I'm explaining

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<v Speaker 3>all of this pretty confidently, and then he asked me

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<v Speaker 3>a question or make some statement about something that has

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with this neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily, Joe immediately realized he was being tested.

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<v Speaker 3>I get a glance of his wife, who was looking

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<v Speaker 3>at him, and I turned to him and I go,

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<v Speaker 3>what part of the Bronx are you talking about? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>He laughed, and that sort of like cleared it up

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<v Speaker 3>right away. He was throwing me a curve, and fortunately

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<v Speaker 3>I picked up on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of Joe's success as an agent was emblematic of

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<v Speaker 1>the changing strategy of the FBI in the fight against

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<v Speaker 1>the mafia. The agents of the bureaus passed just weren't

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<v Speaker 1>getting the results they wanted and that the public needed.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe had a natural edge when talking to mobsters

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<v Speaker 1>because he grew up around them.

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<v Speaker 3>My grandparents on my father's side were very strong Northern Italians,

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<v Speaker 3>and most of my formative years were actually in New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 3>with regular trips back to the Bronx to see family members.

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<v Speaker 3>And while my father was a law abiding citizen, a

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<v Speaker 3>few of our other family members got to be a

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<v Speaker 3>little sketchy at times.

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<v Speaker 1>After a stint in the army, Joe went back to

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<v Speaker 1>work with a telephone company, but one of his neighbors,

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<v Speaker 1>who happened to be an FBI agent, noticed Joe's natural

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<v Speaker 1>ability with tech equipment and convinced him to pursue a

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<v Speaker 1>career in law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a gamble for me again because I barely

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<v Speaker 3>got out of high school, but I took a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And that chance paid off. Joe immediately excelled at his

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<v Speaker 1>new gig, and it wasn't long before his unique skill

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<v Speaker 1>set led him to the FBI Special Operations Unit, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I became the technical supervisor for so one FBI Special

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<v Speaker 3>operations in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was one of a select group of agents utilizing

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<v Speaker 1>the full resources and technology at the FBI to accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>one mission infiltrate and dismantle the mafia from the top down.

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<v Speaker 1>And over the next decade, the SO one Squad was relentless.

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<v Speaker 3>We did hundreds of surreptitious entries nights weekends when a

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<v Speaker 3>place was vacant. Surreptitious was always the preferred method to

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<v Speaker 3>install electronic surveillance or tracking, etc. But there were many

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<v Speaker 3>instances where the place was never vacant. When we were

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<v Speaker 3>confronted with that, I could create a scenario and fabricate

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<v Speaker 3>a problem that the subject would want to invite me in.

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<v Speaker 1>His targets some of the most dangerous and ruthless criminals

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<v Speaker 1>in America. But before we talk about all the ways

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement infiltrated the Mob, I think it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>understand a little bit more about how the commission came

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<v Speaker 1>to be and why for so many decades authorities had

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<v Speaker 1>been so ineffective in stopping them. By the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>New York was in trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Every week you would see something in the paper, a

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<v Speaker 4>shooting between mob guys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jim Kostler, a former FBI special agent, and he

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed the violence firsthand.

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<v Speaker 4>I was hired as a special agent with the FBI

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen seventy I spent eight years in Newark investigating

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<v Speaker 4>organized crime. In nineteen seventy nine, I was promoted and

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<v Speaker 4>sent to New York. My role was the position of

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<v Speaker 4>Labor Racketeering Program Manager for the New York Office.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim was persuaded to join the FBI by an agent

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<v Speaker 1>he met at a party. Leaving behind his career as

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<v Speaker 1>a special education teacher, he chose to serve the public

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<v Speaker 1>in a new way. Back when Jim was starting his career,

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<v Speaker 1>joining the FBI was the dream of every young kid

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<v Speaker 1>interested in law enforcement. The image of the straight backed,

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<v Speaker 1>all American g man was seared into popular culture. But

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<v Speaker 1>the truth was that despite its reputation and resources, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau was woefully behind encountering the mafia. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau was still under the control of its first director,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who for decades refused to even acknowledge the

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<v Speaker 1>existence of the mob.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, at that time, jag Or Hoover was the

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<v Speaker 4>director of the FBI. It was much different than it

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<v Speaker 4>is today.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, during Hoover's first thirty years as director, not a

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<v Speaker 1>single agent was assigned to work organized crime. Hoover even

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<v Speaker 1>famously banned the use of the word mafia in internal reports,

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<v Speaker 1>publicly downplaying mafia's as a mere hoodlums and a nuisance

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<v Speaker 1>to be dealt with by local law enforcement. This resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in what you could call a bottom up approach to

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<v Speaker 1>enforcing crime, focusing on individual perpetrators rather than the men

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<v Speaker 1>at the top pulling the strings. It was a never

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<v Speaker 1>ending battle. Hoover's policy severely limited Jim's ability to fight

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<v Speaker 1>organized crime.

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<v Speaker 4>The mission of the FBI at that point in time

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<v Speaker 4>was every agent was given assignments to take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 4>and to achieve something in a given period of time.

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<v Speaker 4>The response ability of every agent was to produce statistics.

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<v Speaker 4>At the end of the year, when it came time

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<v Speaker 4>for your evaluation, they looked at how many statistics you

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<v Speaker 4>had for that year, how many people did you arrest,

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<v Speaker 4>how many people did you put in jail, how much

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<v Speaker 4>did you recover? You recover stolen goods, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And while handfuls of low level gangsters might be locked up,

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<v Speaker 1>mob leadership went unscathed. At the heart of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>was the way the FBI was organized.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got into organized crime in New Jersey. Every

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<v Speaker 4>morning we would come in and we would say hello

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<v Speaker 4>to each other, and then every agent on the squad

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<v Speaker 4>would go their own way. It was disjointed in that sense.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't have a plan, just a matter of go

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<v Speaker 4>find a gambler, go find a loan shark, and you'll

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<v Speaker 4>be successful. I came to realize that that was not

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<v Speaker 4>a good method, another good system, because organized crime is organized.

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<v Speaker 4>The folks that were involved in it at a structure,

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<v Speaker 4>and they've worked under our hierarchy. We didn't work as groups.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out the FBI should have taken a lesson

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<v Speaker 1>from the very men they were chasing. Translated from Italian,

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<v Speaker 1>the term cosin nostra literally means our thing. But that

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly innocuous designation is a ruse because that thing, the mafia,

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a highly organized, highly regulated system of rules, ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>and rituals that go back centuries. Much like an army,

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<v Speaker 1>an organized crime family operates with a strict hierarchy, with soldiers, captains, underbosses,

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<v Speaker 1>all reporting to a top boss and then as overseers

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<v Speaker 1>of it all. The Commission, a secretive council composed of

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<v Speaker 1>the five New York bosses. The Commission and ensured unity

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<v Speaker 1>and coordination among crime families nationwide, usually under the threat

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<v Speaker 1>of their iron fist, and it was this historical cooperation

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<v Speaker 1>that gave the families their power, reach, and sense of invincibility.

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<v Speaker 1>The Commission's origins, however, were anything but civil, so.

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<v Speaker 5>When the Mob was first form around nineteen thirty, it

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<v Speaker 5>followed what it was called the Castell Maurici War.

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<v Speaker 1>That's former Prosecutor Ron Goldstock, who at the time was

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<v Speaker 1>the director of the New York Organized Crime Task Force

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<v Speaker 1>and fair warning, We're going to be throwing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of names at you in the next couple of minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I promise there won't be a quiz. The Castela

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<v Speaker 1>Maurici War was a bloody power struggle between two rival bosses,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Massarea and Salvator Marenzano, both born in Sicily, both

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<v Speaker 1>notoriously ruthless, but a cunning and ambitious young gangster by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Charles Lucky Luciano had his own eye

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<v Speaker 1>on the topso in April of nineteen thirty one, Luciano

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<v Speaker 1>conspired with Marenzano to take out the competition, and so

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<v Speaker 1>at a card game in Coney Island, Luciano casually excused

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<v Speaker 1>himself from the table right before four gunmen entered the

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and opened fire, leaving Joe Massaia dead on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result of the brazen hit, Luciano inherited all

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<v Speaker 1>of Masaria's rackets. Marenzana then called a meeting with Luciano

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<v Speaker 1>and the heads of the three other mafia factions to

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<v Speaker 1>establish the Five Families, but Marenzana wanted to retain ultimate power.

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<v Speaker 5>In order to deal with problems that came about because

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<v Speaker 5>of competing interests of the families. He created a position

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<v Speaker 5>for himself as Boss of All Bosses, the Boss.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Bosses, but Marenzano's reign was short lived.

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<v Speaker 5>Luciano then had him killed just as he was plotting

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<v Speaker 5>to have Luciano killed, but Luciano was quicker.

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<v Speaker 1>In a plot befitting of Marenzano's nickname of Little Caesar,

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<v Speaker 1>four men disguised as fedes raided his office and stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>the boss multiple times before shooting him in the head

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<v Speaker 1>for good measure. Now with an opportunity to reign over

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<v Speaker 1>the entire mafia, Lucky Luciano faced a critical decision.

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<v Speaker 5>Luciano recognized that the position of boss of old bosses

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<v Speaker 5>was problematic. He just created enemies because whenever you would

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<v Speaker 5>rule on anything, you are always going to rule against somebody,

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<v Speaker 5>and so you needed another vehicle for dealing with each

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<v Speaker 5>of the family's competing interests. And so what he did

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<v Speaker 5>was to create the Commission.

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<v Speaker 1>Five seats, with each seat establishing equal representation, and to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent the war from continuing, Luciano offered a commission seat

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<v Speaker 1>to Marizano's underboss, Joe Banano, seeing it as the path

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<v Speaker 1>to peace. Banano accepted. Luciano held a national conference in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago with the heads of the five New York families

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<v Speaker 1>and over twenty other mafia leaders from around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was there in Chicago that Luciano instituted many

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<v Speaker 1>of the rules and traditions that would govern organize crime

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<v Speaker 1>for decades to come.

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<v Speaker 5>So he established the position of consolieri counselor, which meant

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<v Speaker 5>that the kap regime, if they had a problem with

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<v Speaker 5>the boss, could go to somebody as an ombutzman deal

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<v Speaker 5>with him, rather than having to confront the boss straight on.

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<v Speaker 1>As a trusted confidant to the boss, Consiglieri became one

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<v Speaker 1>of the top three administrative positions, usually equal in rank

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<v Speaker 1>to the underboss. With its rigid chain of command and

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<v Speaker 1>sworn oaths of fidelity, the modern American mafia was born.

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<v Speaker 1>It would enjoy unrivaled prosperity for decades. Crime boss Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Banano later described this period in his memoirs, writing that

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote. For nearly a thirty year period after

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<v Speaker 1>the Castella Morasi War, no internal squabbles marred the unity

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<v Speaker 1>of our family, and no outside interference threatened the family

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<v Speaker 1>or me. Everything would change in nineteen fifty seven, when

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<v Speaker 1>three major events thrust Cosinostra out of the shadows and

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<v Speaker 1>into the glare of the public spotlight. The first was

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<v Speaker 1>the attempted assassination of Luciano family boss Frank Costello by

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<v Speaker 1>up and comer Vincent the Chin Giganti. As Costello walked

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<v Speaker 1>through the lobby of his apartment building, Giganti snuck up

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<v Speaker 1>behind him and said, this is for you, Frank. A

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<v Speaker 1>hit that incredibly Costello survived the bullet just grazing his forehead,

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<v Speaker 1>but the real marvel is what happened next. Given the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to identify his shooter in court, Costello refused to

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<v Speaker 1>name Gigante Here's defense attorney, James Leonard.

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<v Speaker 6>During the trial, something right out of a movie. When

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<v Speaker 6>Costello was asked if he recognizes person's shot him, clearly

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<v Speaker 6>he knows who shot him, clearly, he knows who Giganty is.

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<v Speaker 6>Because Giganty is connected to Genevies, he says he can't identify.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a striking example of the Mafia's infamous code

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<v Speaker 1>of silence. But Omerta, as it was known, was not

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<v Speaker 1>just an oath of loyalty. It was the mafia's single

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<v Speaker 1>biggest defensive weapon against prosecution, denying law enforcement of cooperating

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses in any potential trial, and in the case of Giganty,

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<v Speaker 1>it likely saved him from a life in prison. In

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<v Speaker 1>another scene worthy of a movie, Giganty leaned towards Costello

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<v Speaker 1>while he was leaving the courtroom and whispered thanks a lot, Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>The second landmark event of Mobler from nineteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>occurred a few months later, when mob boss Albert Anastasia

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<v Speaker 1>was shot and killed mid shave in a Manhattan barbershop.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more fallout from the Boch Costello hit, and

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<v Speaker 1>the very public midday murder was plastered all over every

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<v Speaker 1>front page in New York. Unwilling to retaliate for the headshot,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps fed up with a treacherous mob life fall together,

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Frank Costello decided to go into early retirement, relinquishing full

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<v Speaker 1>control of the Lucciano family to his scheming underboss Vito Genovese. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>seeking to legitimize his power and rebrand the family name,

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<v Speaker 1>Genovis called for a national meeting to be held in

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<v Speaker 1>a sleepy farming town in upstate New York, which brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to the third major mob event of nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's former prosecutor Guild Childers on what would prove to

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<v Speaker 1>be a devastating mistaken by mob leaders.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a national convention of lacos andostra at a

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<v Speaker 7>guy's house in Applelach in New York. Nice house in

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<v Speaker 7>a rural area if everyone thought it was out of

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<v Speaker 7>the way and safe and no one would find out

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<v Speaker 7>about it. But a couple of the local policemen, two

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<v Speaker 7>of them started noticing that there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>out of state license plates driving through town.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities ran the plates on a bunch of expensive cars

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<v Speaker 1>and quickly learned that this convention wasn't your typical farmer's expo.

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<v Speaker 1>So they set up roadblocks and descended upon the appalak

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<v Speaker 1>And estate.

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<v Speaker 7>And they all fled like cockroach just wanted to turn

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<v Speaker 7>the light on in a New York City apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Dozens of middle Agian elderly mobsters in suits and dress

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<v Speaker 1>shoes fled into the surrounding woods. Over sixty bosses, underbosses, consiglieries,

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<v Speaker 1>and capos were eventually arrested. Troopers found it embarrassed Joba

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<v Speaker 1>running through a nearby cornfield.

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<v Speaker 7>That scene was comically captured in the movie Analyzed This,

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<v Speaker 7>where it shows a couple mob guys writing a tractor

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<v Speaker 7>all the way back to New York City to escape

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<v Speaker 7>the cops from the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But more importantly, the Appalachan meetings signified actual proof, both

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<v Speaker 1>to the public and the government, the existence of a

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide criminal network. These were not just a random assortment

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<v Speaker 1>of local hoodlums as Hoover had described them. This was

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<v Speaker 1>an organization. Here's Ron Goldstock.

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<v Speaker 5>Federal government was not involved in the investigation and prosecution

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<v Speaker 5>of organized crime until the seventies, and it was only

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<v Speaker 5>after the Appalachian Meeting that the federal government first started

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<v Speaker 5>to take a look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, local, state and federal law enforcement agencies would launch

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<v Speaker 1>a new line of attack against organized crime.

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<v Speaker 5>The FBI began to use electronic surveillance to investigate the mob,

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<v Speaker 5>and they began to learn through the taps and bugs

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<v Speaker 5>they had put in a great deal about the mob structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Armed with modern technology and a deeper understanding of their

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<v Speaker 1>opponents and their weaknesses, small and nimble teams of undercover

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<v Speaker 1>officers and agents began to infiltrate the dark underworld of

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<v Speaker 1>Cosa Nostra, heralding the biggest defensive against organized crime the

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<v Speaker 1>nation had ever seen. After that almost laughable roundup of

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<v Speaker 1>mobsters in Upstate New York, public awareness of the mafia

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<v Speaker 1>had reached new heights. Here again, its defense attorney James Leonard.

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<v Speaker 6>When we get to the Bobby Kennedy era, it's a

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<v Speaker 6>very different time. Now we know about the mob, we

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<v Speaker 6>know that the mob exists, and ironically, one of the

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<v Speaker 6>main reasons that we know about the Mob is from

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<v Speaker 6>a defector from within the Genevese crime family.

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<v Speaker 8>What is the name of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 8>Causing in Italian, causing nostra in Italian, our thing and

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<v Speaker 8>our family In English?

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<v Speaker 3>That is an organization?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that requires The defector's name was Joseph Flacci.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a Genevieve soldier who in nineteen sixty three

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<v Speaker 1>became the first major violator of the Mafia code of silence. Oh, Marta,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Why do you feel like it should be destroyed? First

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<v Speaker 8>of all, I want revenge. The second of all, they've

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<v Speaker 8>been very bad to the soldiers. They've been thinking for

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<v Speaker 8>themselves all through the years. As the senator put it before,

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<v Speaker 8>what did I get out of it? Why do you

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<v Speaker 8>get out but misery.

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<v Speaker 1>Lachi's testimony of mob life was unprecedented. He detailed the

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<v Speaker 1>induction ceremony of new members. He confirmed the existence of

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<v Speaker 1>the five families, their leaders, their structure, and he even

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<v Speaker 1>name dropped the commission.

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<v Speaker 8>What are the different physicians or ratings or ranked in

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<v Speaker 8>that organization? Starting at the top, what do you have?

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<v Speaker 3>We have.

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<v Speaker 8>What we call agunliasium in English, she would express it

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<v Speaker 8>as a commission.

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<v Speaker 1>The hearings capture the nation's attention and the term Cosonostra

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<v Speaker 1>cemented itself into American vernacular.

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<v Speaker 6>All of a sudden, the mob is in every living

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<v Speaker 6>room in the country, and we start to see things

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<v Speaker 6>like the Kennedy assassination and then the knee jerk reaction

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 6>was well, that was the mob, right, and the mob

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 6>did that for whatever reasons, again not proven but speculated.

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<v Speaker 6>So organized crime, the mafia really comes into our lexicon

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<v Speaker 6>in the mid sixties, and it's cemented forever in the

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 6>early seventies with the Godfather movie. That's it, and once

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<v Speaker 6>that happens, there's no turning back.

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<v Speaker 1>But while the mafia's power and notoriety was reaching an

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<v Speaker 1>all time high, a counter attack was developing over at

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI. The bureau's tallest hurtle out flanking the mob's

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>fortress like code of silence their solution technology seventies style

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.359
<v Speaker 1>special agent Joe Cantamsa, who we met earlier, used his

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<v Speaker 1>guile and experience as a former telephone repairman to talk

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<v Speaker 1>his way into the homes and hangouts of several suspected mobsters.

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<v Speaker 1>But the most notorious and most dangerous was a Banano

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>captain named Alphonse in Delacado, known on the street as

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<v Speaker 1>Sonny Red. Sonny Read was a ruthless Kapa regime about

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<v Speaker 1>as violent as they come, and his rank in the

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Banana hierarchy made him a very high value target for

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the FEDS, and since Joe had already established himself as

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<v Speaker 1>a local, now he needed to make contact with Sonny

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<v Speaker 1>red sister Marie.

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<v Speaker 3>In Marie's apartment at one seventeen Elizabeth Street, she was

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<v Speaker 3>always home or somebody was always in the apartment. Sonny

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<v Speaker 3>would come back late the night, early morning, and you know, crash.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I want to get into her apartment. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to kind of take a look and see what

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like, and I want to try and figure

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<v Speaker 3>out if I could ever get a microphone in there.

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<v Speaker 3>But I got to get in there first.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Joe came up with a little ruse involving

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<v Speaker 1>a series of prank calls utilizing one of the FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese translators.

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<v Speaker 3>Translator comes down to her name is Ming. She obviously

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<v Speaker 3>knows English very well. I explained to her, I want

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<v Speaker 3>her to call this number right in front of me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wanted to start talking Chinese, ask for somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>and then be a little bit stubborn about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not getting cooperation. She does that, Marie hangs up the

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<v Speaker 3>phone on her I go, we'll wait a minute, and

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<v Speaker 3>we call back again. She makes the second call, Marie

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<v Speaker 3>hangs up again. This is two times. Marie's getting annoyed

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<v Speaker 3>that she's getting these calls. She calls a third time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking straight at her. Her eyes get real big.

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<v Speaker 3>She drops the phone and runs out of my office.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that was good enough for me. Marie is going

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<v Speaker 3>to remember this phone call. The next day, I show

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<v Speaker 3>up and knock on Marie's door New York. Tell we

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<v Speaker 3>got a report of a crossed line. Have you gotten

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<v Speaker 3>any calls? And she lights up like a oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and then she starts complaining to me. I go, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just here to see where the line is crossed. So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she calms down.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like that, Joe would soon be up on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunny Red's phone. He was able to discreetly survey the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment for the ideal location to install a miniature transmitter,

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<v Speaker 1>commonly referred to as a bug.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to pay attention, but you couldn't pay so

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<v Speaker 3>much attention it looked like you were paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you play it cool. Sometimes you even get lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>After Joe explained the so called crossline problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Marie asked me if I could put her phone in

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<v Speaker 3>for an extension. Well, that's what I was waiting for

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<v Speaker 3>her to ask, I said, but this is the only

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<v Speaker 3>place I could put it in, which was in the hallway.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a little table there pretty close to where

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<v Speaker 3>the room was that Sonny would conduct his business perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, I'll have to come back. We'll take

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<v Speaker 3>care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and while he was at it, could he also

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<v Speaker 1>stop by her sister in last place too?

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<v Speaker 3>She tells me that her sister in law lives at

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<v Speaker 3>one fifteen, and you know, could I go up and

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<v Speaker 3>see what she needed? And it turns out, unbeknownst to me,

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<v Speaker 3>this is Sonny Red's brother JB in Delicato.

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<v Speaker 1>JB. He was another mobster the Feds are keeping an

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<v Speaker 1>eye on, and while not Joe's target, when opportunity knocks,

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<v Speaker 1>you go ahead and answer. But still the risk of

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>being made was ever present, and sometimes it came from

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the most unexpected places. When Joe arrived, JB asked him

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<v Speaker 1>to install a new touchdown phone to replace his old

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<v Speaker 1>rotary one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I could throw a touchstone in there for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of bucks. I made an appointment to go back

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<v Speaker 3>and do that. I come back later, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>bringing with me one of my associates, John Kravic, because

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<v Speaker 3>I want to show him because when it comes time

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<v Speaker 3>to do this, I'm going to need more than one

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<v Speaker 3>person to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Marie directs him to her mother's ground floor apartment for

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<v Speaker 1>the access that Joe said he needed to get their

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<v Speaker 1>job done.

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<v Speaker 3>I knock on the door. It's like nine o'clock in

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<v Speaker 3>the morning. The door opens and there's a woman about

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<v Speaker 3>four foot ten. I tell her I was just next door.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to get in the courtyard. We're walking back.

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<v Speaker 3>She stops dead right in front of us, turns around

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<v Speaker 3>and points to both of our faces and says, I

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<v Speaker 3>know you. You're the FBI. You come tap of the

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<v Speaker 3>phones in broken English. I look at John, and I

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<v Speaker 3>look at I go, Grandma, who cares what you say

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<v Speaker 3>on the phone? She paused, and she laughs, and then

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<v Speaker 3>everybody laughs.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe was working in the Lions then. Opportunity and life

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>threatening danger was literally behind every door.

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<v Speaker 3>John is in the basement. I'm kneeling on the floor

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<v Speaker 3>behind an open door, drilled a hole in the base board.

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<v Speaker 3>The door swings and it knocks me over, and I hear,

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<v Speaker 3>who the fuck are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Looming over? Joe was the mob captain himself Sonny read

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<v Speaker 1>In Delocado, and Sonny was not happy to deflex suspicion.

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Joe reverted to his roots and actually being from the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a natural.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I'm getting up, I'm going, who the fuck

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<v Speaker 3>are you? I go, I'm doing something for Marie. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know you.

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<v Speaker 1>And with some quick thinking, Joe diffuses the situation with

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<v Speaker 1>one of his tried and true methods, convincing Sonny red

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<v Speaker 1>In Delocado to actually help him install the very wiretap

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<v Speaker 1>that Joe was hoping to use to bring him down.

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<v Speaker 3>I go, well, listen, if you give me a hand

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<v Speaker 3>for just a minute or two, I'll find out where

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<v Speaker 3>the guy is downstairs and I'll get out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, what do you want? I go? I want

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<v Speaker 3>you to come right here and bang this little thing

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor and I'm going to go down the

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<v Speaker 3>basement and find out whareness. He says, okay, he comes

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 3>over starts tapping it. I go out, go down the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>John is walking around the flashlight in a completely wrong spot.

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<v Speaker 3>I tear down a piece of old sheet rock sort

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff. I grabbed the thing I got. I holler up,

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<v Speaker 3>I got it. He points, Who's that? I say to John,

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<v Speaker 3>it's sunny. John's eyes get this big. But nonetheless I

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 3>go back upstairs. I put my little connector block in.

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I dropped the wire down, we make the splice, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're out of there. Perfect install.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the more daring wire tap installations

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<v Speaker 1>of his career, because little did he know that across

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<v Speaker 1>the river in Brooklyn, trouble was brewing and Sonny Red

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<v Speaker 1>was right in the middle of it. A day or

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<v Speaker 1>so later, Joe returned to install the requested touchdown phone.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling pretty good the case. I'nt happy. The microphone's

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<v Speaker 3>in and working. I trot upstairs to JB's apartment. I

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<v Speaker 3>knock on the door and there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a pause.

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<v Speaker 1>The usual time it took to answer the door had passed. Eventually,

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 1>JB's wife called out, who is it.

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<v Speaker 3>I go, it's Joe, Joey the phone guy.

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<v Speaker 1>After another pause, Joe immediately has the thought that every

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>black bag agent has that his cover had been blown

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and there was no telling who might be on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the door waiting for him. JB's wife

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<v Speaker 1>finally opens the door, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I could see she's been crying. I go okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>she because yes, and I'm thinking, all right, whatever's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>it ain't me. I walk over to the kitchen. Over

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<v Speaker 3>to my right on the couch, JB waves. I go over.

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<v Speaker 3>I changed the kitchen phone. I picked up my twenty

0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>dollars tip.

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<v Speaker 1>I leave and he leaves in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 3>As I make the last turn to the foyer, all

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<v Speaker 3>I see is a soaking wet face and hair, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I realize between me and that face is a

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 3>large barrel revolver right in my face. That I did

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<v Speaker 3>not see.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other side of the revolver was a man

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<v Speaker 1>in obvious distress, scared, breathing heavily, and looking like he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been running for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 3>I go, okay, everything's cool, everything's good.

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<v Speaker 1>But the man would not lower his gun. Then a

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 1>miracle as help came in the form of a nosy

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor who recognized Joe as the phone guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's okay, he's okay, it's Joey, he's okay. Sally, who

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the women I got friendly with in

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<v Speaker 3>the neighborhood, is yelling at this person who I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know who it is, that everything is okay. So he

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<v Speaker 3>puts this gun back in his waistband. I walk out

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<v Speaker 3>the door onto Elizabeth Street. I turned towards Grand and

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 3>my heart rate jumps from normal to one hundred and twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a delayed reaction to what might have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>All those weeks Joe spent establishing himself as a local

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<v Speaker 1>likely saved his life.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked down to the closest payphone. I called the office.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked for the supervisor, Damon Taylor. I go, Damon,

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<v Speaker 3>I just left Elizabeth Street, and Damon says to me, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot to call you. Forgot to call me and

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<v Speaker 3>tell me what There was a hit last night. Sonny's dead.

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<v Speaker 3>They're hunting for Bruno, his son. I go, well, I'm

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 3>pretty sure I just ran into Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that the night before Sonny red in

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<v Speaker 1>Delakado was one of the three capos gunned down in

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<v Speaker 1>Bensonhurst at the hands of Joe Messino and his son

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<v Speaker 1>Bruno and Delacado had every reason to be running for

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<v Speaker 1>his life. If there was ever any doubt that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>had penetrated the very center of the New York mob world,

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<v Speaker 1>it had vanished with Sunny Red's murder. The only problem

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<v Speaker 1>the bug planted in in Delocado's house was now worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>Sonny was dead, but the fight wasn't because, as it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, Joe and his fellow Feds weren't the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones in town getting eyes and ears inside organized crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time on Law and Order Criminal Justice System.

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<v Speaker 6>We are going to utilize this to dismantle organized crime

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<v Speaker 6>by cutting off its head.

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<v Speaker 4>I dream of the day that you guys put all

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<v Speaker 4>the bosses of the families in jail in one place.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to be capable, confident, and dedicated to the mission.

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<v Speaker 3>I worked literally one hundred hours a week.

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<v Speaker 5>Where like a battleship, it takes us forever to turn

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<v Speaker 5>the ship around, but once we get where we're going,

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<v Speaker 5>we can knock out anybody in sight.

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<v Speaker 2>Law and Order Criminal Justice System is a production of

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<v Speaker 2>Wolf Entertainment and iHeart podcasts. Our host is Anna Sega Nicolazi.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was written by Chandler Mays and Anna Sega

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<v Speaker 2>Nicolazzi Executive produced by Dick Wolf, Elliott Wolf, and Stephen

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