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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Thursday, November the sixth,

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Speaker 1: and we only have one more episode to go of

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Speaker 1: The Golden Bachelor, and after last night's episode, we might

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Speaker 1: finally know why mel Owens was the exact wrong choice

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Speaker 1: to be this year's Golden Bachelor, and it has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with how boring everybody says he is. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Roapes.

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Speaker 1: This seems like a show that ABC maybe just wants

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Speaker 1: to get done with this year. It's been down in

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Speaker 1: the dumps. The franchise has been struggling, but Golden Bachelor

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Speaker 1: in particular is having a really bad year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think initially the idea was to appeal to

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Speaker 2: who is still watching TV, like broadcast TV, and it

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Speaker 2: is older folks.

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Speaker 3: But turns out.

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Speaker 2: No one wants to see older folks making out, but they.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to see it. Last year, Gary Turner season was

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Speaker 1: a successful one. It's a reason they got a second season.

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Speaker 1: That show was seen as somewhat not somewhat of It

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Speaker 1: was a hit, it was fun, it was different, and

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Speaker 1: I think I applaud the idea showing love at different

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Speaker 1: stages of life. It looks a little different. I applaud

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Speaker 1: the idea.

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Speaker 3: I love the idea. In fact, we've been watching.

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Speaker 2: We actually had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Gary,

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Speaker 2: and that will be later on I do Part two.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you that date and time in just a bit.

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Speaker 2: But we kind of got excited about watching the franchise

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Speaker 2: and I was into it and really into seeing how

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Speaker 2: older folks were all the same. At the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, we're all the same. We're all looking for love,

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Speaker 2: we all want a partner. We're all afraid of being hurt.

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Speaker 2: No one wants to be rejected. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: cool to watch, you know, I've watched Bachelor and different

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Speaker 2: iterations to see that we're all the same. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter how old you are, we all want the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it was fresh, it was it was different,

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Speaker 1: and yes, it expanded what our idea of love relationships

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Speaker 1: is supposed to look like. Look, we do a whole

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Speaker 1: podcast call I Do Part two about the idea of

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Speaker 1: people finding love later or the second or third or

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Speaker 1: fourth time around. So the idea was there. The ratings

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Speaker 1: have not been. We're going to get deeper into them.

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Speaker 1: But ropes, we'll just start with last season's season Premiere

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Speaker 1: had four point four million people. This season's had two

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Speaker 1: point five time, and it's been going down and down

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Speaker 1: and down and has hit under two million, to the

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Speaker 1: point of now, this is time to panic. When you

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Speaker 1: have a show that's lost nearly half of the viewership

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Speaker 1: of the season before, you got a problem and roads.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this when we first started watching this season. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we only started watching because we knew last season's Golden

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Speaker 1: Bachelor was going to be in our studio. We start

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Speaker 1: watching this season and we got into it, But I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize what did we get into it about? Like,

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Speaker 1: what were we so into the women exactly? We were like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: she's fun, Oh she's cool. I like her, Get her

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Speaker 1: out of here. What we were so into the women?

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Speaker 1: How many conversations did we have about mel None?

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Speaker 2: Zero?

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize we never talked about him, never got

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Speaker 1: worked up about him, never got sad about him. Our

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Speaker 1: hearts didn't break for him. We weren't. He was just there.

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Speaker 2: Look, he's a good looking guy, A good looking older guy,

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Speaker 2: sixty six years old from Detroit, from Michigan. A former

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Speaker 2: NFL player, he played for the Rams. He is recently

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Speaker 3: And he's a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: But when you actually start watching it, you're right. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot to say. He's quiet, he's reserved.

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Speaker 2: He's your typical midwesterner. Now I know Gary's a Midwesterner

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Speaker 2: as well, but Mel is very reserved. And so, yes,

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Speaker 2: we were focused on the women, and they brought it.

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Speaker 2: They brought the energy, the excitement, the personality, the fun.

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Speaker 2: But they come and go and they get whittled down

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Speaker 2: and every show is Mel and Mel finding love.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about it though, Babe, until we started

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Speaker 1: looking at the articles. But I didn't realize how much

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Speaker 1: and we see what the issue has been. So they're

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Speaker 1: down to the final two. But last night, Robes in

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Speaker 1: the suits.

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Speaker 4: The fantasy, fantasy sweets. Yes, I never get that right,

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Speaker 4: And help me understand. Is it understood by the viewers,

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Speaker 3: Is that not necessarily intimate? Private?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they finally get privacy for the first time

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Speaker 2: they've been dating, if that's what you want to call it.

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Speaker 2: All of these women, this is the first opportunity, whoever

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Speaker 2: the bachelor or bachelorette is. In this case, the golden

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Speaker 2: Bachelor gets private, one on one time with the the

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Speaker 2: last two remaining contestants. And yes, it is understood that

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Speaker 2: they can and might have sex.

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Speaker 1: Well, forgive me I. Okay, that's just a little aside

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Speaker 1: because I've never been necessarily clear in all the years

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Speaker 1: of covering Bachelor and Bachelorette. But like, does the other

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Speaker 1: contestants understand that the person that they're vying for is

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Speaker 1: going into a suite with somebody else that might be

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Speaker 1: having sex with correct? Okay, it's all understood.

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Speaker 2: It's all understood, But it doesn't mean that the other

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Speaker 2: folks wouldn't hold that person accountable.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you felt like you had a real.

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Speaker 2: Significant deep you shouldn't be doing that, Yes, relationship with

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Speaker 2: someone else. You're just gonna have sex with everybody and

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Speaker 2: see which one you like better after your physical test ride.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that is going to sit well with

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Speaker 2: But certainly there have been scandals in the sense that

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Speaker 2: people have admitted to having had sex in the fantasy suites.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it can run the gamut if

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Speaker 1: That was just all for me. I genuinely didn't fully

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Speaker 1: completely understand. So we down to the final two women.

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Speaker 1: Cindya six, she's a retired biomedical engineer, and peg is

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Speaker 1: sixty two. Now, before the season even got started. Don't

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Speaker 1: know how much this has an impact, but you remember,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't know we watched this first episode. He

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Speaker 1: was apologizing a lot, like, I'm sorry for what I

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Speaker 1: maybe where the wheels began to come off. But he

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Speaker 1: made statements robes that were for a guy who's sixty six,

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Speaker 1: you don't expect agism necessarily and discriminating.

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Speaker 3: Against Oh you do, though, when you're a woman, you

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Speaker 3: do expect it, actually.

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Speaker 1: But yes, to that point, he went on and talked

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Speaker 1: his show, and he wanted them younger.

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Speaker 2: And so what I would say is that's not surprising,

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Speaker 2: and I would expect a sixty six year old man

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Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: Do I have right? His wife was nearly twenty years younger.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Okay, yeah, and he admitted on the show that

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Speaker 2: she basically wanted a divorce from him, dumped him because

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Speaker 2: she wanted to be with someone more her age.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, this is some full circle shoot yaz.

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Speaker 3: But this is what folks warn't about, whoever you are.

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Speaker 2: If you marry someone twenty twenty five, thirty years older

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Speaker 2: a completely different situation.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So that started his mess. At the beginning, he

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Speaker 1: And he said he was asked by producers what his

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, if they're sixty or over, I'm

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Speaker 1: cutting them. That's tough going on the Golden Bachelor. And

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Speaker 1: all the women on the Golden Bachelor, the women they

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Speaker 1: gave him an option, they were rage range age what

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Speaker 1: fifty eight to seventy seven? Yes, and the majority were

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Speaker 3: Know what that's called babe age appropriate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's sixty six that those would be the women

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Speaker 2: he went to school with. They are the women who

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Speaker 1: He ends up. Now, the last two happened to be

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Speaker 2: What was even tougher about what he said because he

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Speaker 2: followed up after saying, I'll cut them if through over sixty,

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Speaker 2: And then he went on to explain that producers told him,

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Speaker 2: oh no, this is not the Silver Bachelor. This is

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Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor. But they're going to be hot. Don't

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Speaker 2: worry about it. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: So he says all this on a podcast, so controversy

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Speaker 1: The ratings we talked about last season's premiere four point

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Speaker 2: This is when people tune in, even if you haven't

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Speaker 2: been washed it all along. It's fun to jump in

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Speaker 1: That's bad. That's real bad, and they know it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna go through all the headlines and the but

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Speaker 1: a lot is being said out there about the show,

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Speaker 1: the future of the show. Who should be held accountable

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Speaker 1: for the ratings this year, but robes everywhere. I don't

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Speaker 1: see a whole lot of criticism of the show only

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Speaker 1: at the selection of this guy. Correct, he's not a charisman.

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Speaker 1: He could be the nicest guy in the world. And

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Speaker 1: he does seem to be accomplished, raised his kids, professional

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Speaker 1: career in football transitioned to being a successful attorney. A

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Speaker 1: Midwestern or who can't like mischieg gander.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Being a Michigander myself, it's fun when I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I said that accent, I bet he's from Michigan, and

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Speaker 2: then sure enough. And the thing is, look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'll generalize because I'm among them, but look, Midwesterners are nice.

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Speaker 2: We don't tend to be loud, outspoken, controversial, exciting, no flair, yes,

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Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's we're thoughtful, peaceful, like just

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Speaker 1: But what we've been We've been around enough folks who

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Speaker 1: One started it? I thought the Golden Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: Now, because honestly, we're new to the game again because

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Speaker 1: We know what's gonna happen with Frankie Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I said it wrong. It's Taylor Frankie Paul. Frankie Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Ms Paul. It's gonna be a great choice for that show.

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Speaker 1: which will be Frankie Taylor Paul or Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 1: Which one? Is it? All right?

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Speaker 2: Let me lookause now my whole head is we are

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Speaker 2: so so sorry, I think it's Taylor Frankie Paul.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, no way, we don't call her Frankie Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's Taylor Frankie Paul. They tay the Frankie fall. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm feel good about it, but folks, stay here. In

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Speaker 1: You know what you say that now about the apology,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine anything vicious coming out of his mouth.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting, like just watching his interactions with the women.

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Speaker 3: But it's not that interesting on television.

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Speaker 2: And what's so interesting about that is she basically said

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Speaker 2: And she made a really excellent point which I totally

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Speaker 2: And she said same. I mean she's also someone who

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Speaker 2: Because that's how you applied your decision making last time around,

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Speaker 2: they're they're bigger risk takers. They just are younger folks

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Speaker 3: I feel like older people should be quicker to take

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Speaker 2: You are running out of time. What are you waiting

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Speaker 3: About with your friends?

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Speaker 2: I just I find it so ironic that older people

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Speaker 2: I guess you're more set in your ways, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: Oh well, who cares?

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Speaker 3: I'm still hot, I can You'll find someone else.

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Speaker 1: If this doesn't work off for one of those two women.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, we already saw the few he sent away,

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Speaker 2: the last couple heart broken, and it wasn't tears for

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Speaker 2: could see and the women tell all they were still crying,

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Speaker 2: two of them specifically heart broken because they were so

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Speaker 2: desperate to find love. I did appreciate this, and I

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Speaker 2: becoming a bigger or better influencer, about getting a big

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Speaker 2: brand deal. You could tell these women, with the exception

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Speaker 2: of perhaps one, we're all in it truly, truly, because

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Speaker 3: Of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do not knock him for his attitude.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I would approach a lot of things the

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Speaker 1: are now, I appreciate the honesty, like, hey, I'm bean

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Speaker 1: straight with you, this is what's going on, and this

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Speaker 1: is where I am. But it was a heartbreaking moment

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Speaker 1: for a woman and for all of these women to

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Speaker 1: actually now at the end, like that announcement should have

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Speaker 1: been in episode one when they stepped out of that limo.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm mel I'm really not looking for an

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Speaker 1: engagement right now. I want to take this thing slow.

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Speaker 2: But there are rumors online that he does get engaged,

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Speaker 2: and in the previews they show him looking at a

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Speaker 2: it be that he is also trying not to show

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Speaker 2: his hand. He's not supposed to let either woman know

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Speaker 2: where his head is, where his heart is because it

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Speaker 2: needs to all be a surprise.

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Speaker 1: Well, she had a rope node asleep after here talking

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Speaker 1: to him last.

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Speaker 2: You know what was interesting though, So in this latest

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Speaker 2: episode we see Peg wake up in bed with him.

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Speaker 2: She's in a robe, he's shirtless. They're intimate and all cozy.

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Speaker 2: We don't get that with Cindy. Cindy, we didn't. It

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Speaker 2: just ended with her being a little frustrated by their

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Speaker 2: evening conversation about where this is going.

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Speaker 1: They might pick up and they who knows how the

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Speaker 1: night ended, but it was these shows, every single dating show,

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Speaker 1: reality show, relationship show always ropes, no matter how much.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm dismissive, but everybody's hot and they're just running around.

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Speaker 1: There's always relationship lessons. Right smack Dad in the middle

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for yes, right there with him.

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Speaker 2: And we will be watching the finale next week. Correct, yes,

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Speaker 2: and we will find out who Mel chooses, not because

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Speaker 2: we care about who Mel.

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Speaker 3: Ends up with, but because we really really love.

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Speaker 2: Peg and Cindy and we can't wait to see which

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Speaker 2: one ends up potentially with the ring on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we like Mel, Yeah, I have no We have

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Speaker 1: been jumping to watch these episodes but not for mal

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Speaker 1: we have a problem.

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Speaker 3: But it's honestly, I would say, if you haven't checked

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Speaker 3: it out, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's fun to just go ahead. There are not that

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Speaker 2: many episodes. We got through them in a day.

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Speaker 1: It's up only eight or something.

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Speaker 2: There's only eight, yes, so it's fun to catch up

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Speaker 2: in time for next week's finale. Not trying to necessarily

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Speaker 2: throw ratings anyone's way, but it really is. I do

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Speaker 2: like relationship shows that are authentic, and from this season,

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Speaker 2: most if not all, of these folks seem to be

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Speaker 2: there for the right reasons.

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Speaker 1: So, folks, I always appreciate you hanging. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: we are here encouraging you, pushing you and promoting an

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Speaker 1: ABC Disney show.

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Speaker 2: That was in my last comment in a veiled way,

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Speaker 2: like you know, we're not necessarily trying to promote the show,

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Speaker 2: but no, we do believe in these types of relationship shows.

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Speaker 1: We call this growth robes. We're in a good place

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Speaker 1: and with that, folks, we all appreciate you spending some

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