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Speaker 1: It's a good draft to be in need of defensive

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Speaker 1: line help. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek

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Speaker 1: Got two coming up. We'll hear from ESPN draft analysts

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Speaker 1: the talents and depth of this defensive line class, which

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Speaker 1: is great news for the Cardinals. First though, we tip

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: So it is good to be back home. Good to

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Speaker 1: be back here in the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center,

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Speaker 1: and good to be back once again. Danny, you just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, long week, long but productive.

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Speaker 1: Long, productive, a number of interviews, got a couple of

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Speaker 1: coming up here on today's show. Two guests ESPN Draft analysts,

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Speaker 1: Matt Miller Jordan Reed. Makes sense to pair them up

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Speaker 1: course they are from ESPN. But again that that week

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Speaker 6: This is the deepest defensive line class I've ever evaluated.

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Speaker 5: When you talk about the depth defensive line, edge rushers,

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Speaker 6: No, there will be starters that come out of rounds

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Speaker 1: You brought up the Super Bowl, and it's something that

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Speaker 1: Stands not just one cornerback, but two in the first

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Speaker 6: And that was just about value. It's like, okay, sometimes

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Speaker 6: that point when we do our team needs, I promise

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Speaker 5: I promise, what are some other positions besides defensive line

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Speaker 3: Thirty in twenty seventeen was the record.

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Speaker 6: I think we got a shot to break that. The

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Speaker 1: Those two positions, specifically as far as running back and

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Speaker 6: I think that's where, like your team building philosophy is

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Speaker 5: Talk about Trey Benson one of many rookies who had

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Speaker 6: You know, right after the draft, I think I gave

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Speaker 3: All the tools are there.

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Speaker 6: But at Ohio State he was always the best player

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Speaker 1: It was a twelve player draft class a year ago

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Speaker 1: Manti Austin Ford loves more bites at the Apple. How

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Speaker 6: Last year was a great year to have twelve picks.

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Speaker 6: I think this is a better year to have more

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Speaker 3: Drop off this year.

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Speaker 1: Matt always appreciate the time. Look forward to that next mock.

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Speaker 1: I'll make it up to your cardinal fans. I promise,

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Speaker 1: Matt's next mock draft. You can follow Matt's at NFL

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Speaker 4: It's going to be an interesting discussion throughout the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those top two or three offensive tackles or offensive

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Speaker 4: With the Cardinals, every ASU fan just turned off this podcast, Knik.

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Speaker 5: I'm right there with you. The Cardinals gave a contract

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 5: The entire offseason, however, you're going to acquire players is

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Speaker 1: came back on the practice squad as a solid in

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Speaker 1: case in an emergency and they needed him late in

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of love for camp Scattaboo,

443
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Speaker 5: and we talked about him with Jordan Reid from ESPN.

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Speaker 4: I don't know Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Fans, Yeah, but I like what you said because you're

446
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Speaker 1: also forecasting. It's not just twenty twenty five as the draft.

447
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Speaker 1: You've got these players hopefully for four or five six years,

448
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, your needs now change over time.

449
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Speaker 5: And that's a position that I know Connor has said

450
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Speaker 5: in the past. You know, he doesn't necessarily feel like

451
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Speaker 5: he gets run over by a bus after game day,

452
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Speaker 5: but hold smoke, that is a position where you were

453
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Speaker 5: getting banged up. So anything is possible, especially with the

454
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Speaker 5: talent and that running backs prospect group.

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Speaker 1: This year, you brought up Jordan Reid ESPN draft analysts.

456
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Speaker 1: We for the second straight year had a chance to

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Speaker 1: speak with him in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, and

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Speaker 1: Danny for the second straight year, Jordan joined us in

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Speaker 1: a suit made just look real bad. Just I mean,

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Speaker 1: he came in very polished and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he says, as he said, he dressed for the ocasion.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, do we need to change our dress?

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Speaker 4: It was stressed pretty nicely. You were in a polo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are always well dressed. Me. I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: I do what I mean, you're in a polo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: For those wondering what we're talking about there, I believe

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Speaker 5: they're sporadically uploading the video portion on Easycardinals dot com,

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Speaker 5: so you can go check out some of these interviews

470
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Speaker 5: that we did with video. You can go check those out.

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Speaker 5: We were on Radio Row in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: It's always a lot of fun, and certainly our conversation

473
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Speaker 1: with Jordan, we did bring up his dress. But this

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Speaker 1: conversation for us here on Cardinals cover two, we asked

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Speaker 1: Jordan why he likes the NFL scouting combine.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's really like the start of the pre draft

477
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Speaker 7: process for people that don't follow the draft all year.

478
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Speaker 7: This is like the staple and really like the convention

479
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Speaker 7: of where we really get to see these guys really

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Speaker 7: differentiate themselves on one another.

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Speaker 5: What will allow a player to differentiate themselves from what

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Speaker 5: you and front office staff and executives are seeing throughout.

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Speaker 4: A college season.

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Speaker 7: Well, you come into this event with some priors on

485
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Speaker 7: your mind, so really you used to combine to either

486
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Speaker 7: confirm or deny maybe some things that you saw on tape,

487
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Speaker 7: and then also there are maybe some new guys that

488
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Speaker 7: you discovering, like, oh, he ran pretty faster. He ran

489
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Speaker 7: much faster than what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to something that you recently tweeted,

491
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Speaker 1: because I find this interesting because this year's draft class

492
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Speaker 1: doesn't have the star power, meaning the quarterbacks aren't leading

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Speaker 1: the charge. But you wrote this draft class can quote

494
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Speaker 1: phil Holes and create depth with quality starters, but there's

495
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Speaker 1: not a lot of star level or instant impact players

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Speaker 1: at the top. Cardinals don't have a top pick, which

497
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Speaker 1: is probably good with that assessment. So with the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: selecting at sixteen and even day two at number forty seven,

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Speaker 1: what quote unquote impact maybe not at the star level,

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Speaker 1: do you see?

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Speaker 7: Well, the great thing for the Cardinals is that they

502
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Speaker 7: need a lot of help in the trenches right now,

503
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Speaker 7: and especially along the defensive line. They don't have a

504
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Speaker 7: lot of marquee names on the depth right right now.

505
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Speaker 7: But this draft class will allow them to feel some depth,

506
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Speaker 7: have some spots, and it would surprise me if they

507
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Speaker 7: even double dip along the defensive line, just because they

508
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Speaker 7: need so much help in that area. So sixteen you

509
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Speaker 7: may be looking at a defensive tackle or maybe a

510
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Speaker 7: right tackle, and then the same thing could happen in

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Speaker 7: the second round as well.

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Speaker 4: What about in the edge class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just as good.

514
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Speaker 7: And you know, I went on sports in the other

515
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Speaker 7: day and I actually talked about this and that this

516
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Speaker 7: is the best defensive class or defensive line class, I

517
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Speaker 7: should say, since twenty nineteen. And you know some of

518
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Speaker 7: the names that were in that class, Nick Bosa, Dexter Lawrence,

519
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Speaker 7: Christian Wilkins, Brian Burns. The list goes on and on

520
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Speaker 7: to some of the players that we saw in that

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Speaker 7: draft class. And I think this draft class will be

522
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Speaker 7: very reminiscent of that.

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Speaker 1: Doubling up makes sense. Yet at the same time, if

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Speaker 1: you have multiple needs, do you maybe pass on that

525
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Speaker 1: D lineman at sixteen and say, all right, maybe we

526
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Speaker 1: can get that guy because we ranked them so evenly,

527
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Speaker 1: and hope that they fall to forty seven and address

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Speaker 1: something else with that first pick.

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Speaker 7: It really just depends on which position they feel better

530
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Speaker 7: they can get the better value add And what I

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Speaker 7: mean by that is, if you have a defensive lineman

532
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Speaker 7: that's ranked higher, or you don't feel good about the

533
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Speaker 7: depth of this offensive line class, maybe you take the

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Speaker 7: offensive lineman first and then come back and get the

535
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Speaker 7: defensive lineman. But if you feel better about this offensive

536
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Speaker 7: line class, I'd take the defensive lineman first and then

537
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Speaker 7: look the strike gold on a depth in the second

538
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Speaker 7: round with the offensive line class.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of that offensive line class, your most recent mock

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Speaker 1: draft did and hasn't. I'm sure you're gonna have another

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Speaker 1: one coming up after this guy next to January. It

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Speaker 1: was the most recent one, and at sixteen you had

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals selecting Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. What

544
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Speaker 1: do you like about his game and the fit or

545
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Speaker 1: is it more just the value at pick sixteen.

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Speaker 7: Well, one thing I will say about him is that

547
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Speaker 7: he's played on both sides. He actually originally started his

548
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Speaker 7: career at San Diego State and he played right tackle

549
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Speaker 7: there and then when he got to Ohio State, he

550
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Speaker 7: played or transitioned to the left side. So I always

551
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Speaker 7: love that versatility when a player has played on both sides,

552
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Speaker 7: speaking of right tackle and left tackle, and then prior

553
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Speaker 7: to the knee injury that he suffered six games in

554
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Speaker 7: to the season, I thought he had the best tape

555
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Speaker 7: of any offensive tackle in this year's class. So there

556
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Speaker 7: is a little bit of risk associated with the pick,

557
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Speaker 7: but we've seen touring acls or like sprain ankles nowadays,

558
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Speaker 7: so I feel really confident about his ability to be

559
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Speaker 7: able to come back. And the player that he reminds

560
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Speaker 7: me a lot of is Christian Darsol when he was

561
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Speaker 7: coming out of Virginia Tech. Stylistically, they're very similar with

562
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Speaker 7: how they win, and then the size is very similar

563
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Speaker 7: to Both.

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Speaker 5: Starting guards to Arizona are pending free agents. If the

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Speaker 5: Cardinals were to decide to address those.

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Speaker 3: Needs in the draft.

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Speaker 5: How does the interior spot look for the offensive line

568
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Speaker 5: with these prospects.

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Speaker 7: It's not as good as years past, but I believe

570
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Speaker 7: we're going to have a run on those guys in

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Speaker 7: the second round. And two names I think fit really

572
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Speaker 7: well with the Cardinals. The first one is Jonas Sabonea.

573
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Speaker 7: He's a guard out of Arizona and he's another that

574
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Speaker 7: has a lot of versatility. He's played primarily right tackle

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Speaker 7: during his career, but I believe he transitions better inside

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Speaker 7: to guard. And then the next one is Emery Jones

577
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Speaker 7: out of LSU, who's primarily played right tackle during his

578
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Speaker 7: career at LSU, but I think he's another that needs

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Speaker 7: to transition inside.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the line of scrimmage. This draft class, in particular,

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Speaker 1: where do you see position wise that is the highest

582
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Speaker 1: quality compared to maybe other.

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Speaker 7: Drafts running back without question, and this class compares very

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Speaker 7: favorably to twenty seventeen and there was thirty running backs

585
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Speaker 7: drafted in that class. I think we could get thirty

586
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Speaker 7: or more in this year's draft class. And that goes

587
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Speaker 7: to show you just how deep this year's class is.

588
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Speaker 7: So even if your team doesn't need a running back

589
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Speaker 7: draft one anyway, that's how loaded this class.

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Speaker 5: We'd be remiss if we didn't ask you about Arizona

591
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Speaker 5: State's Camscott a bit.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I knew that question was coming. He's a

593
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 7: fantastic player, and you know, I love the games that

594
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Speaker 7: he had in the College Football Playoff. That was really

595
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Speaker 7: like his coming out party for people that wasn't really

596
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 7: weren't tracking him this year, his tackle breaking ability, the vision,

597
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 7: the story that he has, one of the best stories

598
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Speaker 7: that he has, just speaking the transport portal, him coming

599
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 7: over from Sacramento State and one of those players that

600
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Speaker 7: just lays it all out on the line every time

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Speaker 7: he goes out there.

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Speaker 1: That position, I don't know, maybe has a bad rap

603
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Speaker 1: a little bit recently as far as you don't select

604
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Speaker 1: a running back in the first round. However, you look

605
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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles led by a

606
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Speaker 1: running back, is the running back position and the concentration

607
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: maybe or the focus on the ground game, maybe you think,

608
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: do we see a little bit of a switch back

609
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Speaker 1: to where teams do look at the running back position.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, football is kind of like fashion, right, thing comes

611
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 7: back in waves, and that's what's happened with running backs

612
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 7: right now. And it's not just Sakuan's Derek Henry him

613
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 7: coming over to Baltimore and then also Josh Jacobs when

614
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 7: he came over from Vegas to the Packers. So we're

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00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 7: starting to see the running back really come back in style.

616
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Speaker 7: And I think that's what's gonna happen with this year's

617
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Speaker 7: draft class. Now it's not an overly great free agent class,

618
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Speaker 7: and what's really going to hurt those guys is that

619
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 7: is such a deep running back class, and that's why

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Speaker 7: I think we're gonna have a run on these guys

621
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Speaker 7: in Day two.

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Speaker 5: A lot of talk about how deep the defensive line

623
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Speaker 5: and edge classes are for the draft. What's a position

624
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Speaker 5: that might be a little more not as talked about,

625
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Speaker 5: But you still see a lot of high quality players

626
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 5: or a high quantity of players that could really make

627
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Speaker 5: an impact.

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Speaker 7: A wide receiver, and it's not the groups that we

629
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 7: have seen at the top of the draft like in

630
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Speaker 7: year's past. I don't think we have that bona fide

631
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 7: top ten or top fifteen guy. But there's a lot

632
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Speaker 7: of depth and if you're looking for a wide receiver

633
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 7: two or a wide receiver three, I definitely think you

634
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 7: can find that in this year's class.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the wide receiver position, a year ago, at

636
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Speaker 1: this time, you were very high on one particular wide

637
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Speaker 1: receiver whom the car selected with the fourth overall pick,

638
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Marvin Rrison Junior. What did you see from him and

639
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe that next step, because obviously the expectations were enormous

640
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: for him. Numbers wise, certainly looked very very good, But

641
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: what's next for him?

642
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 7: Do you feel just getting better chemistry with Kyler? And

643
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 7: you know that's something that quarterbacks and wide receivers are

644
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 7: always going to battle, just getting their chemistry down, understanding

645
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 7: that they have to learn the nuance and the details

646
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 7: of each other. So just getting you know, the chemistry

647
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 7: down with Kyler another year in the system, I think

648
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 7: it'll be even better next year.

649
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Speaker 5: There are some fans or people who might think, when

650
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Speaker 5: you're picking at sixteen, right in the middle of the pack,

651
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: you'd rather be the top of the draft so you

652
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: can get a premier player or at the bottom of

653
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Speaker 5: the draft. And what benefits can there still be for

654
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Speaker 5: sixteen For people who think, well, why would you want

655
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Speaker 5: to be in the middle of the pack. You want

656
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Speaker 5: to be on either end, right, because you either have

657
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: a great season or you get.

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Speaker 3: Top of the pack.

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Speaker 7: Well, my answer to that would be, if I'm not

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Speaker 7: picking at thirty two overall, then my season was a

661
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Speaker 7: failure anyway. So I don't really I don't really believe

662
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Speaker 7: in you know, that assessment. But you know, with that up,

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Speaker 7: I don't think it really matters where you pick, honestly,

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Speaker 7: as long as you pick productive players. And you know,

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Speaker 7: with a great talent evaluator like MONTIASA. Ford and what

666
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Speaker 7: he has shown and how he's building the roster, I

667
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Speaker 7: think the Cardinals are in really good hands. And even

668
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Speaker 7: though they don't have a whole bunch of picks this year,

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Speaker 7: I think you guys are going to be talking about

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Speaker 7: how much he's moving around the draft. They similar to

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Speaker 7: what we saw with this very first draft with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 7: So I'm excited to see what he does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from twelve picks last year to just six this year.

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Speaker 1: Jordan always appreciate the time. We'll do better next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pressure's on.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always, Yes, the well dressed Jordan Reid

678
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Speaker 1: and as he mentioned, his new mock draft coming out

679
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, follow him at Jordan Underscore Reid And uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get back in the good

681
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Speaker 1: gracious graces of Arizona State fans because again we hear

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Speaker 1: from Jordan talking about the depth at running back class

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Speaker 1: and your question about Camp Scataboo and this Jordan's response

684
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Speaker 1: because we talked about the need or perceived lack thereof,

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Speaker 1: at least in my eyes, and Jordan's response even if

686
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Speaker 1: your team doesn't need a running back draft one anyway,

687
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Speaker 1: that's how loaded this class is.

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Speaker 5: Hey, that's not necessarily a bad take. I think I

689
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Speaker 5: should get brownie points for ASU fans for being the

690
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Speaker 5: one to ask the question about camp scataboo.

691
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Speaker 4: Just if we're taking mental notes.

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Speaker 5: That's what makes the draft so fun every year, and

693
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Speaker 5: I think fun this year because running back has not

694
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Speaker 5: been a position like that in the last handful of years,

695
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Speaker 5: where you're talking about a large number of players that

696
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Speaker 5: can come in and really make a difference on your team.

697
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Speaker 5: I don't want to say would throw a wrench in things,

698
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Speaker 5: but it could absolutely shake things up. Of maybe not sixteen,

699
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Speaker 5: there's a possibility day two that there's a running back

700
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Speaker 5: that's drafted because they are just too good to pass up.

701
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Speaker 5: Will bring something juice, competition, a new skill set to

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Speaker 5: a running room. And then it's up to the players

703
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Speaker 5: that are already on this roster to step their game

704
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Speaker 5: up and prove their value. So just because it's not

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Speaker 5: necessarily a need doesn't mean it's out of the question.

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Speaker 5: That happens every year.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point because teams will double up at

708
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Speaker 1: positions because how the draft board falls and you're like, Okay, well, yeah,

709
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Speaker 1: maybe we don't need a running back or a wide

710
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Speaker 1: receiver or a quarterback, but this player right here where

711
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Speaker 1: we are drafting, at this spot, there's no one else

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Speaker 1: at any other position that is of greater value in

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Speaker 1: our eyes than this particular player, even though he plays

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Speaker 1: a position that we don't really quote unquote need right now.

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Speaker 5: It's the annual discussion of position of need or best

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Speaker 5: player available, and it's a pretty fun discussion. I liked

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Speaker 5: hearing what Jordan had to say about there being starters

718
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Speaker 5: not a lot of stars, which is interesting to hear.

719
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Speaker 5: When you look at this Cardinals roster top down, there

720
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Speaker 5: are enough players that can be stars for this team.

721
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Speaker 5: We've talked about the ceiling for a Marvin Harrison junior

722
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Speaker 5: out wide, a tight end, Trey mcbrian, what you're getting

723
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Speaker 5: from quarterback, Kyler Murray, running back, James Connor, safety, Buddha Baker.

724
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Speaker 5: You had a lot of young players on defense really

725
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Speaker 5: make a jump this year. So starters, even if they're

726
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Speaker 5: not stars, are still important, still important to get in

727
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Speaker 5: the draft. And just because somebody might not be a

728
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Speaker 5: star right now, right somebody might not be a Micah Parsons,

729
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Speaker 5: a Nick Bosa, a Miles Garrett coming out of the

730
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Speaker 5: draft doesn't mean that they don't have the potential to

731
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Speaker 5: get there. And also we've seen that this staff is

732
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Speaker 5: able to get the most out of their players. So again,

733
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Speaker 5: just because somebody hasn't been an incredible quote unquote star

734
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Speaker 5: or has these spectacular numbers coming out of college, doesn't

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Speaker 5: mean they wouldn't be a good fit here in Arizona.

736
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Speaker 1: You can develop yourself into a star like a Buddha Baker,

737
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Speaker 1: who's someone that started on special teams worked his way up.

738
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Speaker 1: Dennis Gardik is another eggs. You're not gonna find twenty

739
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Speaker 1: two stars. No team has twenty two stars, but you

740
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Speaker 1: need twenty two starters. And how you feel that, And again,

741
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Speaker 1: everyone has a role. Jonathan Ganna likes to say, sometimes

742
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Speaker 1: your role can change, but you are part of a

743
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Speaker 1: team and then maybe that role that you have elevates

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Speaker 1: you to star status, which we have seen so many times. Again, Jordan,

745
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: much like Matt Miller, loves this defensive line class the best.

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Speaker 1: In Jordan's words, since twenty nineteen, I went back and

747
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Speaker 1: looked that was the Nick Bosa. Quinn Williams Kyler Murray

748
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Speaker 1: draft as well, but Nick Bosa and Quinn Williams came

749
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Speaker 1: right after Murray was drafted. LJ. Collier was in that

750
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Speaker 1: draft I Seattle, and now look at him now, and

751
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Speaker 1: then there's another name, and this is going to hurt

752
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Speaker 1: because Zach Allen was in that draft class and he

753
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Speaker 1: is borderline a star or merging into a star. Are

754
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Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos. So yeah, you can, and you

755
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Speaker 1: can find Zach Allen's a perfect example. You can find

756
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Speaker 1: a player like that, maybe not in the first or

757
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Speaker 1: second round, but later on. Then all of a sudden,

758
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Speaker 1: you develop and get an opportunity like a Dante Stills

759
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Speaker 1: late round pick but finds himself starting because of circumstances

760
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Speaker 1: that were around the team, whether that was availability or

761
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Speaker 1: scheme wise. Then all of a sudden, okay, now you've

762
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Speaker 1: look you became a starter.

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Speaker 5: I do think it holds weight when an analyst who

764
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Speaker 5: covers the draft and players in college and through their

765
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Speaker 5: first couple of years in the pros, when you're looking

766
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Speaker 5: and seeing how your projection is kind of playing out

767
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 5: in a player's career, it does hold weight. When somebody

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Speaker 5: like Jordan from ESPN makes a comment about how good

769
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Speaker 5: general manager Moni ausin for It has done at the

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Speaker 5: helmet Arizona for his first two drafts. I know that

771
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Speaker 5: people might be thinking, oh, he put on a headset,

772
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Speaker 5: he came to your table. Of course he's gonna say

773
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Speaker 5: these things. He's not just going to say things that

774
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Speaker 5: he doesn't feel are true. There's a difference of okay,

775
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Speaker 5: maybe seeing things in a kind or positive manner and

776
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Speaker 5: just blowing smoke because you're trying to appease the team

777
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 5: or organization you are talking to as a guest. So

778
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Speaker 5: Jordan Ree would not have said that if it weren't true.

779
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Speaker 5: And that's something we've talked about in the building for

780
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Speaker 5: the last two years now getting ready for Austin for

781
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Speaker 5: It's third draft. I think it's pretty telling that people

782
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 5: around the league, people who don't even work for the

783
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 5: NFL per se, are noticing that and picking up on

784
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Speaker 5: what Austin Fort has done with his rookie development.

785
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Speaker 1: It hurts your credibility if you're not honest and to

786
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: your point, yeah, you want to say the right thing,

787
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Speaker 1: but if it's not meeting what everyone else sees, and

788
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: then again you're doing yourself a dissert you.

789
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Speaker 8: Just wouldn't have said at all if it weren't that's true, Yeah,

790
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Speaker 8: you wouldn't bring it up and bring it up. But yeah,

791
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Speaker 8: I based off again what we heard in Indianapolis as

792
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Speaker 8: far as is the depth, and maybe, okay, the Cardinals

793
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 8: have the sixteenth pick and the forty seventh selection, but

794
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 8: the third fourth round is there a player? Are there

795
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Speaker 8: players now all of a sudden where you package some

796
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Speaker 8: picks to move up to go get your guy at sixteen?

797
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 8: Maybe MANI doesn't like what's currently on the board. Okay,

798
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 8: well let's move down a little bit. He's very big

799
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Speaker 8: on accumulating draft picks, as we've seen throughout two draft

800
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Speaker 8: classes under his direction, So there could be a lot

801
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 8: of movement, and not just for the Arizona Cardinals, but

802
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 8: I think several teams based off what we're hearing about

803
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 8: the depth, even in the middle rounds not so much

804
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Speaker 8: in the first round.

805
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Speaker 5: So interesting because this time last year, I mean, trades

806
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: had been made, there were so much talk, and I

807
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 5: think it really all starts with the quarterback class, and

808
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: the fact that this is not a deep or stellar,

809
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: top heavy quarterbacks class effects everything else and whether or

810
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: not people are going to want to stay at their

811
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: original pick. I believe I saw online this might be

812
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: the first year since the merger that every team holds

813
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 5: their first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Oh good call, yeah.

815
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Speaker 4: Not crazy, thank you l A. Rams.

816
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Speaker 1: All thirty two teams have their first round pick.

817
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Speaker 4: Well for now, Well that's right, right, so we'll see.

818
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 5: But but but typically there's a handful of players where

819
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 5: you know what the top five order is going to be,

820
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Speaker 5: and it's not the case right now, which is kind

821
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: of fun.

822
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

823
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Speaker 1: Matt Miller mentioned that not every not every general manager

824
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Speaker 1: is seeing the same thing. There's not a consensus as

825
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Speaker 1: far as how do you view the best players, and

826
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Speaker 1: certainly at certain draft slots to where okay, maybe you

827
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Speaker 1: do trade down or if there is someone you're very

828
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Speaker 1: high on that the team next to you, team X,

829
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Speaker 1: Y and Z, they don't have that same opinion. Okay, Well, again,

830
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Speaker 1: to each his own. And it's also dependent on on

831
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: what you believe is needed for your particular team based

832
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Speaker 1: off the way you play offense and defense.

833
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, so where things stand right now, I have a

834
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: feeling we're going to start to see some moves, especially

835
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Speaker 5: once the new league year starts and free agency begins.

836
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Speaker 5: And teams start acquiring new players that way, and that

837
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 5: might adjust some of their draft needs. I think we're

838
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 5: just gearing up for some changes. But it feels kind

839
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Speaker 5: of quiet right now.

840
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: Now.

841
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for yeah, we're a week from today here as

842
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: we broadcast on this Monday, March third is when that

843
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: quote unquote legal tampering period begins, and then the new

844
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Speaker 1: league year at on Wednesday, the twelve. So it's yeah,

845
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: and there hasn't been too much. Matthew Stafford is staying

846
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Rams. That was always going to

847
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: be a money thing. Deebo Samuel got traded to the

848
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: Washington Commanders according to reports, not yet official, but it's

849
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Speaker 1: basically been it so far within the NFC.

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Speaker 5: West, certainly, you mentioned March tenth and March twelfth. What's

851
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: happening in between those two days?

852
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: March eleventh?

853
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Speaker 4: Do we remember that?

854
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Speaker 1: Okay, March eleventh, that's a good tease teas er. Do

855
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Speaker 1: we let everyone in on what? Because you have you

856
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: have a week from tomorrow to Okay, I'm just going

857
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: to say, you have a week to go before you

858
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Speaker 1: get Danny Shrek a birthday.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely start thinking, because I have no idea what I

860
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Speaker 5: want to ask for this year. I'm sure my parents

861
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Speaker 5: and my dad is absolutely sings like, yeah, someone give

862
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: her an idea so that when we ask what she

863
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Speaker 5: wants for our birthday, she can stop saying I don't

864
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Speaker 5: know yet.

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Speaker 1: Well, this we do know is that you and I

866
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Speaker 1: will be back later this week with a couple of

867
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Speaker 1: more es, so you're not getting away quite just yet.

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Speaker 1: We focused on ESPN here on Monday. On Wednesday, we'll

869
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Speaker 1: turn our focus on the NFL network. Ret Lewis and

870
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Speaker 1: Lanzerline will join us, two people that we spoke with

871
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Speaker 1: last week in Indiana.

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Speaker 5: Truthfully, I I really liked all of the ten interviews

873
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Speaker 5: we did, and I actually said to you at the

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Speaker 5: combine that I felt like the conversations were similar but

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Speaker 5: different where last year, and that was Cardinals had two

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Speaker 5: first round picks.

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Speaker 4: They ended up picking four.

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Speaker 5: Like it kind of felt like you had a better

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Speaker 5: idea than you do having one pick in the first

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Speaker 5: round at sixteen. But I even made a comment to

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Speaker 5: you about how I liked how all of these interviews

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Speaker 5: felt different enough, and the one with Rhett Lewis was

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Speaker 5: so unique, and mostly because he has such a personal

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Speaker 5: connection with one of the new coaches on this coaching staff,

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Speaker 5: and that was just so great to hear a different

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Speaker 5: perspective and hear some stories. And I don't want to

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Speaker 5: give that away quite yet, but that was one of

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Speaker 5: the more unique and fun interviews we had because it

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Speaker 5: was just different. We absolutely talked draft and needs in

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Speaker 5: this Cardinals team, but to learn more about one of

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Speaker 5: these new coaches on this staff was a new experience

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Speaker 5: and that was.

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Speaker 4: A lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: As the true professional that you are, It's a teas

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Speaker 1: that I think is going to be what everyone is

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Speaker 1: now going to look forward to on Wednesday's show.

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Speaker 5: Good job, Danny.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lit on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jill Mama Andre, our associate producer Cuddy Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Danny, surek, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.