WEBVTT - #652 Packers Unscripted: Details on the draft 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:11.559 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.800 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.240 trusted colleague West hod Kowitz. We're coming to you here 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:22.279 from our studios at lambeau Field, West, NFL Draft is 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.280 in the rear view mirror. The Packers made eleven selections 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.080 over the course of the three days. We're going to 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.840 spend some time here breaking things down in terms of 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.360 just what the Packers got as far as we can 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.080 tell right now. Obviously we won't really know for maybe 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.839 another year or two or more as to what this 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.120 draft class really adds up to. But you have to 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.280 start on the defensive side of the ball, because Brian 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.360 Goodakun has had two picks in the first round at 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.000 twenty two and at did not make a trade in 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.440 the first round. State at those two spots and picked 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.800 two defenders from George's naw Sational championship unit, And of 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.880 course I'm talking about linebacker Quay Walker defensive lineman DeVante Wyatt. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:11.440 Just initially, your thoughts on those two guys being added 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.480 to a Packers defense that, as we all know, was 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.520 playing pretty darn well at the end of it's true, Mike, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.600 and I'm not the kind of person that's going to 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.120 sit here, you know, poor Dyke coke down your back 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.199 and tell you it's not raining. I didn't. I wasn't 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.319 looking a lot at Walker throughout this process, and that 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.520 has nothing really to do with Walker. It has more 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.759 to do with the fact that as much as we've 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.000 talked about the receiver position, how long it's been since 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.360 they've drafted one in the first round, it had been 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.600 sixteen years since they've taken an inside linebacker. So I've 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.800 seen some good options on the board over the years. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:50.000 But once I got into Thursday, and it started with 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.320 my good friend Pete Doherty that was actually his pick 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.440 for the Green Bay Press Gazette. We had talked about 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.080 him a little bit, I started to kind of dive 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.440 into him a little bit more so at the time 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.560 in which the Packers finally did select him, I actually went, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.640 you know what, that made a lot of sense. This 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.200 guy's a tall, rangy athlete. And when you look at 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.040 what the Packers typically look for in the draft picks one, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.400 it's athleticism. I mean, you look at all those metrics 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.840 and those new found kind of analytics that that talk 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.440 about the athleticism factor of Green Bay what they look 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.120 for in their picks, but realistically, it's also the application 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:24.720 of it and what he was able to do in 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.720 George's defense and how he projects at the next level. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.360 And when I closed my eyes and I start to 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.760 mentally visualize him standing next to deve Andre Campbell, it's 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.639 not even just about the fact that they haven't had 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.680 two linebackers like that, they haven't had two athletes with 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.320 those bills and that kind of sideline to sideline speed 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.919 at least during my time on the beat and extending 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.320 well before that. We can talk about why it too, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.360 but I mean first and foremost the fact that the 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.560 Packers did finally jump at an inside backer. The more 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.959 you look at the Quay Walker selection, the more it 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.760 made more sense to be Walker is one of these players. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.360 It's interesting because it happens every year in the draft. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.480 Sometimes it's even with multiple players, where he's a player 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.080 at a certain position where there are other guys in 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.560 the country, and in this case actually another guy on 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.400 his own team at Georgia who got all of the 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.280 all of the accolades, the Butt Kass Award, the you know, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.040 the postseason honors, all of these kinds of things. There 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.320 were a couple of other guys in this drafted inside 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.800 linebacker who got all of that attention, so they in 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.360 all of the mock drafts and and all of the 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.799 analysts were putting those guys up there as first round 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.919 draft picks. Then as you got to the last few 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.160 days before the draft, suddenly this name kay Walker started 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.800 popping up. And the way it's portrayed in the media is, oh, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.760 Kwaywalker is rising up draft boards. Well, no, he's been 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.880 on the draft boards of NFL teams this whole time. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.400 Where he is it's that reporters and analysts are finding 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.920 out more about what these teams actually think of this guy, 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.160 and so there he's rising on their boards because of 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.280 what they're learning through their channels and connections as to 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.840 what's going on in the actual NFL draft rooms, and 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.680 so as the as the when the draft did arrive 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.200 on Thursday night, there were plenty of people who were 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.320 saying that Kaywalker very likely could be a first round pick, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.000 and then, as it turned out, the Packers made him 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.320 the first inside linebacker to come off the board. When 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.520 I look at these two picks in tandem, so to speak, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:27.640 Walker and Wyatt at twenty two And excuse me, I 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.960 look at these as as companion picks in a sense 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.440 because kway Walker sort of becomes the companion to dev 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.600 Andre Campbell at inside linebacker. With Joe Barry and his 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.320 scheme and wanting to wanting to keep two inside linebackers 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.600 on the field from a matchup perspective as much as possible, 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.880 Davante Wyatt kind of becomes the companion to Kenny Clark. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:55.719 The Packers haven't really drafted a defensive lineman with the 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.520 the size, athleticism, pass rush ability, that that whole package 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.479 that Kenny Clark brings. They haven't really drafted a guy 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.479 with that type of profile now until they've drafted Wyatt. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.719 So it's sort of like I see the middle of 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.679 the Packers defense potentially developing into these two pairs of players, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.320 the two guys up front, the two at inside linebacker. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.680 I think that's how they'd like to see it developed. Obviously, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.000 with these guys being rookies, we just have to see 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.080 exactly how it goes. Absolutely, but why it was the 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.799 one I think I was most excited about, And again 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.960 that's nothing against Walker, but why it's the one that 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.719 I think, even going back to February, I had my 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.320 eye on because I did too, And I'll be honest. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.799 When the packers did not take Wyat at twenty two, 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.680 and Brian Goudicus Steven said so he thought they had 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.640 probably given up their chance to get him, figuring he 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.080 would go somewhere between twenty two and twenty eight. But 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.200 he was still there at twenty eight, so he took him. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.160 And when you had Trayvon Walker, you had Jordan Davis. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:53.680 Those were two of the guys that I think got 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.680 a lot of the accolades, got a lot of the attention, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.159 but you can't discount what why It did in that 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.880 Georgia defense and what he sort provided to them. And 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.000 I think there's a reason why when scouts and pundits 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.520 and draft nicks they were talking about this draft, they 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.960 said that this white kid might as might have as 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.760 high and upside as anybody. And when you break down 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.599 the film and when you look at the numbers with 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.400 him a four seven seven forty, that's about a quarter 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.800 of a second faster than what Kenny Clark rant coming 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.520 out of u u c l A six years ago. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.440 Now he isn't as big as Kenny, but he's not 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.840 that far off. And he's the kind of guy that's 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.640 going to be able to play basically any spot on 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.960 the defensive front, in the defensive line, in any package. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.600 And ultimately, I think that's what Green Bay really needed, Mike. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.719 They had defensive linemen that could play in the early downs. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.040 They had defensive lineman who could play on third down, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.440 but unlike Clark and unlike Lowry, they didn't have somebody 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.880 that could potentially just be on the field at any 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.200 given time. This allows them to get a deeper rotation 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.560 going on the defensive line while also giving them the 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.279 best middle of a defense that I think they've had 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.240 over the last ten years. I mean, I think you 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.040 would have to go back to two thousand and ten, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.920 when you know you had the Ryan Picketts and the 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.840 b J Rajis and the Johnny Jollies with you know, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.200 Nick Barnett behind him, a J Hawk behind him, for 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.160 the last time they've had a unit like this. So 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.440 the kid's gonna need time to develop. He You're not 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.119 gonna be able to expect him to come in. Kenny 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.360 Clark needed time back in two thousand and sixteen. But 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.600 he's a great investment piece at a position in which 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.320 the Packers hadn't invest in anything higher in than a 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.800 third round pick since they drafted Clark six years ago. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.560 Right exactly. Well, the Packers also took three other players 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.880 on the defensive side of the ball before this draft 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.000 was over, the first one coming at the end of 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:38.640 the fifth round. South Carolina Eds rusher Kingsley apparently goes 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:43.840 by j j angabari Um. Now this this is an 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.720 interesting This is an interesting guy because he wasn't somebody 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.560 who statistically jumped off the page in terms of one. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.240 But you look at what this young man did in 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.720 the COVID shortened season in I believe it was eight 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.600 games for South care Line. He had six sacks and 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.520 three forced fumbles in eight games, and he was first 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.400 team All SEC that season. Now, he didn't stay there 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.240 as first team SEC in one, of course, that's one 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.440 heck of a league in college football, but he still 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.560 was pretty solid in one. And the Packers and Vision 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.560 envisioned this young man not only potentially to help on 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.960 special teams with with with his body type and his speed, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.960 but at the edge rusher position. We had talked about 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.120 it leading into the draft. You have Preston Smith, you 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.439 have Rashawn Gary. Those are your two starters. The Packers 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.840 are looking for Randy Ramsey to come back from the 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.280 injury that cost him all of last year. They have 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:47.720 Jonathan Garvin, Ladarius Hamilton's and tipanale I, guys who have 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.000 all shown something. They've all flashed something, and they've they've 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.559 contributed here and there over the course of the last 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.120 couple of years, but none of those guys has really 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.080 established himself as as you know, a Mr. Reliable like Okay, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.360 this guy's a bona fide proven NFL producer. Right, So 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.880 Anabari gets he gets thrown into that competition right now 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.040 for the number three and four outside linebacker spots in 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.440 in new position coach Jason Rebrovitch's rotation, He's got a 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.319 chance to to make some noise earlier. We'll see what happens. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.280 But but those three and four spots at edge rusher 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.560 for the Packers are wide open as far as I 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.360 see it. Yeah, and it's gonna be a long season 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.360 for me going Ignabari and then Rebrovitch back to back 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.920 in terms of trying to make sure I make all 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.000 those pronunciations happen. I'm sure. I'm sure that I've already 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.600 botched him a couple of times. But here's the thing, like, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.920 and I don't want to oversimplify this thing, but I 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.760 really don't think in Kingsley's case that if this young 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.520 man runs a forty that's maybe point one five seconds faster, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.680 I think you're looking at definitely a day two pick 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.640 and maybe even bordering on, you know, round one, because 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.839 he has everything else you want. Um As you mentioned, 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.600 the production dipped a bit, but he is what you 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.240 look for when you draw up a three four outside backer. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.160 He has the size, he has the determination, and I 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.600 think he's going to be able to hold up the 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.920 edge with his strength. It did seem to be the 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.160 slow forty time from from what was out there, that 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.800 that maybe dropped him. That he was he was available 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.640 all the way at the end of the fifth round. Yeah, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 and and I'm not discounting that forties don't mean something. Certainly, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.640 you look at Rashawn Gary three years ago, uh that forty, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.720 Not that it's everything in his game, but you can 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.960 see that explosivity and it does show up on the field. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.000 But it also they're not asking this guy to run routes, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.800 they're asking him to play football, and when you're looking 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:44.040 about deepening out a rotation, I talked about George Carloftis 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.960 being a guy really had my eye on. I just 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.920 felt like there needed to be somebody that they got 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.840 in this draft that could give them a new option. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.720 A draft pick, a guy that has some potential, guy 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.680 that has some accolades at the college level, and in 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.880 the bar ig Nick Kingsley really gives you that persp 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.880 active here. I'm really excited about the pick. I'm really 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.280 looking forward to get a chance to meet him. He 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.960 sounds like a really um, you know, affable kid, you know, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:12.120 really interesting individual. So his personality obviously is indicative of 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.840 that j J nickname. And I think you know when 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.360 you when you're looking at for packers people and and 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.360 guys that can come in and really gel with the 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.840 locker room. I again, I don't know him, but just 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.640 listen to him talk and learning a little bit about 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.600 his story at South Carolina. He does seem like somebody 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.360 will fit in really well with Preston Smith and Rashaun Garry. Yeah. Well, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.520 then in the seventh round to other defenders who were 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:35.640 added both of them where the term size uh jumps 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.800 out at you. Trek Carpenter six ft three, two thirty 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.000 pounds safety, maybe a hybrid safety linebacker type. And then 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.760 also on Um Carpenter from Georgia Tech. And then on 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.480 the defensive line Jonathan Ford thirty pound I believe six 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.520 five if I remember correctly, six five, three thirty defensive 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.120 lineman from Miami. Carpenter certainly a guy that I think 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.480 the Packers are looking at to see what he might 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.240 be able to bring to special teams for the return 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.240 and the coverage units with that, with that body type, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.760 Ford is uh just another classic run plugger, right. I 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.920 mean whether you whether you grab a guy like Tyler 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.880 Lancaster is an undrafted free agent or a three thirty 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.800 pound defensive lineman uh in you know, late in the 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.240 seventh round of the draft, kind of the same, the 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.080 same type of thing in terms of what you're looking 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.719 for that guy to do. Can you move him? Is 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.800 the question? And not? And obviously it's more it's bigger 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.000 than that, and Jerry mccomill be the first one to 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.200 tell you that. But what I look at when I 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.240 see Jonathan Ford is this is a man that if 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.080 he gets his pad level where it needs to be, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.240 he is going to be, uh, just a roadblock for 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.839 offensive lineman to be able to get off his spot 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.640 because he has everything. He has the size. You know, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.520 I think you look at his time, you know at 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.160 Miami that the tackle numbers probably weren't as high as 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.600 you think they would be for a guy that that's 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.640 played in fifty games, started thirty games, but you know, 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.960 as as good a consent after the draft, you know, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:03.959 he thinks this guy, even though he's a little bit older, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.360 still has his best football ahead of him, still has 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.360 some room to grow. And getting him in that line 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.679 with those offensive linemen, uh, defensive lineman, excuse me, there's 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.320 a lot of you know, determination and being able to 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.320 really kind of figure out the next step there. I 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.000 I think he's gonna learn a lot from that group. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.920 Carpet is a guy I'm really excited about because I 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.679 think it goes beyond just the defense. Yes, six ft 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.240 three two and thirty pounds, that's an interesting body type 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.480 a lot, and I actually think his pro day kind 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.360 of wild some people. I mean, the kid didn't get 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.840 a combined invite, but at his pro day, I mean 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.319 I think he was running in the four fives. I 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.920 mean he put up he put up some some intriguing 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.079 numbers for a guy that could potentially be a linebacker. Um, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.120 the Packers are going to start him here at safety, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.280 but let's be honest. I mean, for a seventh round 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.440 pick coming in here, his his first goal is going 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.559 to be special teams. And when you think about special teamers, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.720 Mike I wrote about this an Insider Inbox this week. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.559 On paper, this guy reminds me a lot of Sean 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.240 Richardson and Shawn's a kid that he would have played 0:13:58.280 --> 0:13:59.719 in this league a lot longer than he did and 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.719 had it not been for the neck injuries. But when 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.880 the Packers signed him out of h Vanderbilt, he was 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.319 the safety. When Casey Hayward was there, he was kind 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.240 of an afterthought. But at six ft two two twenty pounds, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.600 he brought them something on special teams because you can 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.040 use that type of body type, that type of speed, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.080 and so many different capacities. Uh that That's what I'm 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.320 looking for from Carpenter. Can he be that type of player, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.480 because if he can, there's a lot of money to 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.080 be made in this league as far as that being 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.520 your launching off point. Yeah, I thought the comp you 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.520 made with Richardson was was a good one. And you know, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.720 Richardson was an undrafted player and uh Carpenter, you know, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.640 a late seventh round guy. So I want to shift 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.360 to the offensive side of the ball. But we'll take 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.600 care of some sponsor business here. 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On the 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.760 offensive side, as we mentioned, the Packers obviously used their 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.960 two first round picks on the defensive side of the ball. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.160 They went into the second round of the draft on 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.960 Friday night with picks at number fifty three and number 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.600 fifty nine, and surprise, two picks into the action on 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.800 Friday night, the Packers were on the board because Brian 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.360 Goodacuts decided a package both of those second round picks 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.120 in the fifties to move all the way up to 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:52.040 number thirty four to select Christian Watson, the wide receiver 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.040 out of North Dakota State. Your initial impressions of the 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.960 move and the price the Packers paid to get this year? 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.120 You remember what I said in box last week? You 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.320 had to edit it. You remember my line, I don't 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.320 remember exactly. I liked him as a first round pick. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.560 I loved him as a second round back because I 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.840 thought that's where the value was. And it's funny because 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.280 we talked on this show about, you know, would the 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.640 Packers trade to the thirty six spot, you know, high 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.280 in the second round, which was the spot where they 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.080 got Jordy Nelson. What would that be fourteen years ago now? 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.560 Jordy Nelson being drafted thirty six overall in two thousand 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.680 and eight, but close enough, right, number thirty, number thirty 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:33.520 four and the Packers once again draft a second round receive. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.920 And I've said this before, but I truly mean it. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.360 I feel like this guy, Christian Watson, was a lot 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.320 more like those first six receivers that got taken in 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.600 the top eighteen than the six that got taken immediately 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.920 after him in the second round. He has everything you want. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.600 Six ft four pounds, runs a four three six forty 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.240 I think somewhere around thirty eight and a half inch 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.120 vertical if I got that number right. The kid is 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.360 an athlete. He scores above the off the arts. I 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.720 think in terms of the receiver position, one of the 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.160 most athletic receivers and players at the Packers have taken 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.720 in the modern era. When you look at all of 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.040 his scores. And here's the other thing. He is a 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.920 fast climber and a kid that had a late growth spurt. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.800 And I feel like this is going to be the 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:17.640 type of player that's going to come into Green Bay 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.240 is really going to benefit from the veteran leadership around him. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.240 North Dakota State. The guy was a big playmaker downfield 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.760 target and there is a huge catch radius to work 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.520 off of. Rome will not be built in a day. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.760 We know how things go with receivers in Green Bay, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.479 but in terms of finally getting that prospect, I know, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.119 I know it wasn't a first rounder or whatever, but 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.320 this kid has what you look for when you talk 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.320 about the lineage of Randall cop Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.720 DeVante Adams in the second round, he has all the 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.879 measurables to be the next great one. Yeah. To me, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.240 it's interesting how this played out, and the fans have 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.320 been asking an inbox you know, well, it sounds like 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.280 the packers sure gave up a lot to get that 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.240 thirty four pick and all of that, and that is 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.119 certainly true. I mean, the trade charts say that the 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.359 Vikings won the trade. And but here's the thing, Brian 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.040 Goodacunts knows that he knows what the numbers are going 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.720 to say, right, So so how so how do you 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.480 have I think what you have to do is you 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.680 have you have to evaluate it from our outside perspective. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.440 To say that just tells you how much Brian Goodakuns 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.600 liked this young man and wanted this young man to 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:30.080 be his receiver selection in this draft. I totally agree 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:31.760 with you with what you said about the guys who 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.920 were drafted in the first round, because there were six 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.440 receivers taken in a span of eleven picks from number 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.760 eight to number eighteen in the first round, those eleven picks, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.640 six receivers were taken. The Packers were there at twenty two. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.440 None of those top six guys fell to Green Bay 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.840 at twenty two, and Goodacunts did not make a move 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.959 up in order to get one. The Packers sat with 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.520 the two picks. In the fifties, we saw a handful 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.879 of receivers get picked in the fifties, like right in 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.920 that range. Goudacounts knew he could have gotten one of 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.919 those guys and maybe even gotten two of them. Were 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.159 gotten one of those guys and an extra player if 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.680 he stays with his two picks in the fifties. He 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.520 didn't want to do that. Why because he liked this 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.159 guy as much as as much as he does. And 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.399 I think that's I think that's how you have to 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.159 look at it now. As you said, Rome won't be 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.560 built in a day. In terms of Christian Watson's NFL 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.760 career in this Matt Lafleur offense with Aaron Rodgers and 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.159 everything else, but This was This was the guy that 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.840 the Packers had when those first six were gone by 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.159 the eight pick. This was the guy the Packers had 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.439 who was far and away the best receiver prospect in 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.680 their minds and Brian Goodacoon's. He didn't care that the 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.919 charts were gonna say he lost the trade to the 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.720 Minnesota Vikings. He wanted his guy. He was going to 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.600 make sure that he got him and uh and and 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.480 to get him in here with Al Lazard, Randall Cobs, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.640 Sammy Watkins and uh and see what he can do 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.600 in this offense, not only in the beginning but over 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.800