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Speaker 1: What is a Bachelor Happy Hour? Listeners, It is your host, Rebecca,

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately I don't have a co host with me

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Speaker 1: this week, but rest assured we will have one back

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Speaker 1: next week in time for Michelle's season premiere. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: to tune in because that is starting on Tuesday, October nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to watch a fellow Minnesota girl

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Speaker 1: Grace our big screen. And it's going to be such

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Speaker 1: a fun season. And I'm personally such a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of Michelle. I absolutely adore her, so I cannot wait

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Speaker 1: to see how her journey begins. And in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting week because we're now in between seasons.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bittersweet because last week we finished up

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Speaker 1: Boutcher in Paradise, and this week I figured we haven't

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Speaker 1: heard from one of these folks yet. And obviously, so

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Speaker 1: much of the Paradise season took place with Brendan and Piper,

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Speaker 1: and so I figured we would finally have miss Piper

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Speaker 1: to give her take. She was very much so part

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Speaker 1: of a lot of the drama that went down in

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Speaker 1: the love triangle between her brand and Natasha, and so

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have her on. She's actually somebody that

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Speaker 1: I roomed with for a week down in Mexico, so

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Speaker 1: I know her side of things. She's a sweetheart, obviously

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Speaker 1: should hit the fan when she was there in her relationship,

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Speaker 1: and there's been so many rumors circulating now between what

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Speaker 1: is she, Is she in a relationship or not with Brendan,

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Speaker 1: where do they stand? And has she talked to Natasha?

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Speaker 1: So we have so many burning questions from our listeners

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Speaker 1: for her. So I think, without further ado, we should

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Speaker 1: just bring her on to Bachelor Happy Hour. So everyone

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Speaker 1: please welcome Piper to Happy Hour. Welcome Piper. It's been

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Speaker 1: a while since we've had you on Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: I think it was for Matt season months ago, so welcome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, life has taken you through a roller coaster,

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Speaker 1: I would say, all of the ups and downs. So

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Speaker 1: how are you doing right now? I'm being pretty good

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Speaker 1: right now. I think that you know, I have all

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Speaker 1: like a really good support system here in the city

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Speaker 1: like really thankful for my friends in the city. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's do a quick check in, because the last time

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Speaker 1: we had you on, I think you were living out

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Speaker 1: on the West coast, correct, Yeah, and I in Oregon? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so phillis in I mean since mad Season and since Paradise,

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Speaker 1: Like where has life taken you? All over the place?

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Speaker 1: So I was living, yeah, at home with my parents,

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Speaker 1: you know, the whole pandemic. It was not a choice,

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Speaker 1: it was you know, it was just the right thing

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm not going to Chicago. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to New York. That's the dream. So I got

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Speaker 1: a job in advertising and I live in me Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right? And do you who's your roommate? Is it

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Speaker 1: anyone from the show or just other friends? Serena Oh

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Speaker 1: you love a Serena Sea. Yeah, I don't. Okay, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, it's so funny now. I feel like back

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Speaker 1: be out there very soon. Um. So, so much went

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Speaker 1: how have you been doing? Yeah, I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: it was hard to watch it play back, and it

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Speaker 1: I was like thankful to go to Paradise to you know,

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Speaker 1: Brendant stand right now? Because we've seen articles and we've

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Speaker 1: we've heard rumors that you may have split. So where

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Speaker 1: The we're still together. The reason we didn't choose to

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Speaker 1: because obviously this is an easy thing to go through

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Speaker 1: Was it just waiting on them or was it was

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00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: it figuring out if you truly wanted to do Paradise

431
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: or not. I mean it was a little bit of both.

432
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: It was, you know, my work schedule and all of that,

433
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: but then it was me genuinely being like that was

434
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: very wishy washing before that was very annoying to everyone

435
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who's gonna be there because I

436
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not going, and then Brennan's like, Okay,

437
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, and I was like, okay, I'm not

438
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna go. And then it was kind of just as like,

439
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: as I sat, I left later than everyone. So as

440
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: I sat, you know, alone in New York, all my

441
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 1: friends in the city are already in Paradise. The guy

442
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: that I was like interested in could be dating someone

443
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: out that kind of like I not even loneliness, because

444
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't want it to sound like, you know, it

445
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: was a fallback, but like kind of that like, shoot,

446
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 1: he could be talking to somebody else, he could be

447
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: with somebody else. That kind of was the straw that

448
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: broke the canvas back, and I was like, I should

449
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: I need to go? How apprehensive were you walking and

450
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: not knowing what was already happening. Oh my gosh. It

451
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: was probably one of the most nerve wracking things. I mean,

452
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,239
Speaker 1: even when I asked Brennan on the day and he

453
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, can I talk to somebody really quick?

454
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he old, because you know, I

455
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: was taken elsewhere. So it was even just like that, like,

456
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, is he going to tell me? Like, no,

457
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to go on the state with you.

458
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: I have this other relationship like all of the unknowns,

459
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: and for someone like me, who I'm such a planner,

460
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: I like to know everything like that was hard because

461
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: I was I was really out of my element and

462
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: I was walking down like anybody else who walks down,

463
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: it has no idea who's in, what relationships and what's

464
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: going on. Does any part of you now wish that

465
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: you would have maybe been open to exploring other relationships

466
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: or even pulling guys that first day, because right away,

467
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: I remember you came in and right away you were like, Brandon,

468
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: you want to do this, you want to go on

469
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: this state. It was like no hesitation whatsoever. You knew

470
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: what you wanted, which I will say, like, I commend

471
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: you for that of just going in and being like,

472
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: hey you, I like you, let's go talk. But is

473
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: there any part of you that wished you would have

474
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: pulled other guys that day, or that maybe you would

475
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: have been open to meeting and explain any other relationship

476
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, I mean I think that I think

477
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: that that is you know, I think that Natasha did

478
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: it to me. Every a lot of people said it

479
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: to me, like that's what paradise is about, is exploring

480
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: all those other relationships. And like, you know, I don't

481
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: think that I gave myself a genuine Paradise experience, but

482
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: I did go in knowing what I wanted and I

483
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: took that. But you know, I think there was amazing

484
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: guys on that beach, and I think that that's, you know,

485
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe something that I missed out on. But at the

486
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: end of the day, like I'm happy with my decision.

487
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: I'm happy with Brendan, you know, as controversial as that

488
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: might be to say, Like, so I just kind of

489
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: did what I always do and followed like my gut

490
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: and my heart and that, and I think that's, you know,

491
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: that's the experience I got, Yeah, which I think. I

492
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: mean it speaks volumes. You went down there knowing you

493
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: wanted to see him explore that. And I think a

494
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: lot of what people, even people within the franchise will say,

495
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: or viewers, they'll be like, oh, well, you know, the

496
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: producer stopped her or whatever. It's like, I think it's

497
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: important to say, like, if you wanted to explore that

498
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: solely with him and pull him, like that was your decision.

499
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: We're all grown adults, and I know people like to

500
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: think that sometimes the producers are like puppets on the

501
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: string or have us on the string of like you

502
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: can and can't do certain things, which at times just

503
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: because of scheduling, that's the case. But like, yeah, you know,

504
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to talk to anyone else, you

505
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: could have and they would have definitely allowed it for sure. Okay,

506
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: so we see, then you pull Brandon right away. You

507
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: both go on that date, which I have some questions

508
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: about that date in that conversation, but I think the

509
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: bigger thing too is after that date, obviously you came

510
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: back and I mean, you two were like from that

511
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: moment on YouTube, were pretty much inseparable. You were like

512
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: very much a couple, like and maybe chalk it up

513
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: to you knowing each other beforehand, but you guys like

514
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: were seemed to just like vibe and like it seemed

515
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: like you had been on the beach longer than you were.

516
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: You know, But how long coming back from that date

517
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: did you, like, did you expect that you would get

518
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: heat and like how did you think that would start

519
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: happening or did you come back from that date and

520
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: just think it was going to be smooth sailing. I mean,

521
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't know, because in our conversation, you know,

522
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: on our date, when we were talking about Brendan's experience,

523
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, before I got there, he said that he

524
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of heat. But it was hard

525
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: to like gauge the timeline in terms of like if

526
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: he was still getting heat up to the day that

527
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: I got there, all of that kind of stuff. So,

528
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know what to expect the next

529
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: day when everyone, you know, when I had that conversation

530
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: with Natasha, and you know, there was there was murmurings

531
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: about whatever I was kind of expecting to have those conversations,

532
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what the backlash, if there was

533
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: a new backlash. I didn't know the severity of the situation. Yeah,

534
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, And it's interesting because again, like I feel

535
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: like I was so everyone's kind of in their own

536
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: world when you're living on the beach, and for me, like,

537
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm just known a drama person to begin with, and

538
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: so when people start talking and saying stuff, I feel

539
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: like I just go the opposite way. And when this

540
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: was all happening and these rumblings were going on, I

541
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: was just like, Thomas, let's go and make up because

542
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be part of any of this.

543
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think I mean, obviously, no, I

544
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: no one expected things to blow up as extreme as

545
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: they did. But going back to your conversation on that date,

546
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: like on your one on one with brendan Um, you

547
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: made you made a comment of like at one point

548
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: thanks for playing the game, and then you also talked about,

549
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: I believe, utilizing your time in Paradise and taking advantage

550
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: of what it had to offer and what you could

551
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: promote together. So what exactly did you mean by that?

552
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that by that I was purely

553
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: making a joke, you know, obviously coming down excited to

554
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: see him, I was saying like, oh, thanks for holding

555
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: out the floor, like I'm happy to see you here.

556
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: It wasn't indicative of a plan or anything like that.

557
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: It was it was just a joke in terms of like,

558
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even I don't know the promote.

559
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what the context of that conversation was.

560
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: I think that there's this whole conspiracy that we were

561
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: just there for followers. That's not the case. That's you know,

562
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: that's just not the case. Like in the context in

563
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: which I told Brendan about the article and told him

564
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: about like his following and whatever it was, I was

565
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: only telling him because as somebody who's never been in

566
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: a public relationship, who's never had external people care about

567
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: who I'm dating, that was like really shocking to me.

568
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: And so that was kind of the context in which

569
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: I was telling him, you know, about the followers and whatnot.

570
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't to be like, look, we can use this

571
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: opportunity for X y Z. That was I was just

572
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: being like, we're both like normal people, you know that

573
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: are now in this environment which we're both so thankful for.

574
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't anything that was like you know, we

575
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: like we're going to use this for that. It was

576
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: just like, this is crazy that people care about our relationship.

577
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: This is new well, and I will attest to that,

578
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: which it's it's even hard to explain, but like it's

579
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: an interesting mindset to go from you know, just being

580
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I would say, like a normal everyday person living in

581
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: the world, to then have people actually be so invested

582
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: and care about you and like to the point where

583
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: there's like some sort of lack of privacy. So I

584
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: will attest to that, like for the fact that like

585
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, people actually care about us and like

586
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: how our relationship is going. It's a weird thing that

587
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of happens overnight, I would say in this franchise

588
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: that you can't really expect and no one can really

589
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: prep you for. But I want to say this because again,

590
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: this is something I said on the podcast, and I

591
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: would never want you to think that like I'm talking

592
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: about anyone behind their back. But when you did make

593
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: the comment on your one on one date about like

594
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: thanks for playing the game, it didn't it was kind

595
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: of offensive in a way. Because it downplayed I think,

596
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: real genuine connections and feelings and relationships that we've seen

597
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: through the show, and like just me speaking from my

598
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: own experience firsthand, like it really does work and people

599
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: really do fall in love. And I think you're realizing

600
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: that now because you are indeed still in a relationship

601
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: with Brendan. But I think for a lot of people

602
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: who were on that beach, like in solid relationships and

603
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: starting something as a couple, like we were all like,

604
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: this isn't a game, though, Like these are people's real

605
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings and emotions on the line. So that

606
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: was one tough part to see. And I can imagine,

607
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, being Natasha hearing that too. It would hurt

608
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: even more because I would be like, this is now

609
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: at my expense, Like was I the game that Brendan

610
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: was playing, you know, just to get roses week by

611
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: week and a hand at roses and a stick around

612
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: longer until you came. So that was one part watching

613
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: back in one of the episodes where I was like,

614
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: that kind of hurts, and I can imagine Natasha's feeling

615
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: for sure. So going back to it wasn't even a

616
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: your first one on one, I think it was after

617
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: you had been there, maybe for a couple of days,

618
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: you and Brendon were talking and you had made the comment.

619
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was the night that you two

620
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: decided to go home, or like right before that you

621
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: basically said something to Brendan of like I told you

622
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have come here, Like I didn't want to

623
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: come here. Basically, like, now, look what happened? What what

624
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: did you mean by that? Like, did you at any

625
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: point feel like you were kind of forced to because

626
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: you were into him and he made the decision to go,

627
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: and then you were just like, oh, well, if he's going,

628
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. What did you mean by that

629
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: by I wish I told you we shouldn't have come? Yeah, yeah,

630
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go. I think that that was

631
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of decimation of what I was saying there was

632
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to I didn't want to go to Paradise.

633
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, explore a relationship with this

634
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: one person that I was interested in, you know, in

635
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: the real world, which obviously is not the right terminology.

636
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: And like to your point about the game thing, like

637
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: that was something I just said, and I completely and

638
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly apologize because it's not a game. Obviously. I went

639
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, and I was like, I could fall

640
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: in love with this guy. I went on this show

641
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be a friend,

642
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and I want this uninterrupted time, like I see all

643
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: my friends so happy in their relationships. They see you

644
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: and Thomas so happy, like like, my deepest and sincerest

645
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: apologies if that was construed as like a game, and

646
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I actually meant that, And I also so apologized to

647
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Natasha and making that like devalue her feelings, her role,

648
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: and that her relationship with friend, and that's that's not fair.

649
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: That's not a game, all of that. But yeah, I

650
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: think that that's what it was is. I didn't want

651
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: to come to Paradise because I wanted to be you know,

652
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: exploring this out and seeing how it would work for us,

653
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, me living in New York, friend and living

654
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: in Boston. Why I went because I couldn't stand the

655
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: thought of him being with somebody else, and I wanted

656
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: to present myself as one of those options on that

657
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: beach for him, because I knew that if I stayed

658
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: here and he came home however long later, and how

659
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: to fiance had a girlfriend and I didn't give myself

660
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: a shot, and that I was that was going to

661
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: be really heartbreaking for me. But I at the end

662
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: of the day, I didn't want to go to Paradise.

663
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: That's not how I wanted to explore our relationship. And

664
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of what that's what that statement was. Do

665
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: you feel like now because of that mentality of not

666
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: fully wanting to go, but being into him enough to

667
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: explore it, Like, do you feel like in any way

668
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: your relationship was or maybe still is tainted a bit

669
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: by that. I think that there's it's something that I'm

670
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: trying to get over. I guess, like I don't want

671
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: to hold resentment over him because it ultimately, ultimately, at

672
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it was my decision to go.

673
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the one that got on the planet,

674
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm the one that showed up in Mexico all of that.

675
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: So I think it's something that like me personally, I'm

676
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: working through not to hold over his head because yeah,

677
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go, and yeah I went, and

678
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: I was my decision, but it was something that he

679
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it'd be great to see you

680
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: in Paradise, but I would like explore those options, and

681
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: so it's it's nothing on him and it's fully on

682
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: me to go for going. So it's something we're working through.

683
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: But mostly I'm I'm working through Do you have you

684
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: asked him? I have a two part question, have you

685
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: asked him? Now? Looking back and knowing how everything transpired,

686
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Like does he wish he would have just stayed home

687
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: and explored it with you instead of going out to

688
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: that beach? I'd asked him? But I mean, I don't

689
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: think that he's going to give me like a no.

690
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I got you know, I don't think that.

691
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: So he's like, I mean, he says, like, yeah, I

692
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: wish I would have just stayed home, But obviously hindsights

693
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and I don't think that if he would

694
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: have asked him before Paradise, obviously he wouldn't have said yes,

695
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: right right? And then do you ever ask him? And

696
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: this is maybe just me and how I would work

697
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: through a relationship, especially after adversity like this, and you know,

698
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: something that was so extreme and publicized, like if the

699
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: roles were reversed and you had gotten to the beach

700
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: sooner and had kind of explored some sort of relationship

701
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: with another man and he came down and basically you

702
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: were in your position, but just opposite. How would he

703
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: be feeling right now in this moment. I don't know.

704
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: I think that he would be hurt. I think that

705
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: he would be you know, if the roles were reversed,

706
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I think he would be feeling exactly what I was

707
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: feeling watching it all back and realizing, you know, the

708
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: downplaying and all of that kind of stuff are in

709
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: one person's eyes. What could have been perceived is one thing. Yeah,

710
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's that's a great question. I'm

711
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: definitely gonna ask him because that's you know, I was

712
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: following my heart in the way that I wanted to

713
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: be with him, but like seeing how he like navigated

714
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: and manipulated this situation, that's you know, it's coming to

715
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: work through. It's something to talk about because it's hurtful

716
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: to see. And I would say this to any woman,

717
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: any friend, make sure you are getting direct ant that

718
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: you can live with and potentially move on in a

719
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: relationship together, like he owes you that at least, not

720
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: that I should be giving any advice in a relationship.

721
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. But but just as a friend and

722
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: as a woman, I would want that for anyone to

723
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: be honest. So I think it was the week you

724
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: arrived at the beach, you and Brandon obviously at this

725
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: point take it back now, you guys couldn't really publicize

726
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: your relationship, and so we've all done it. We've all

727
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: been a little sneaky on the Instagram where we've posted

728
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: certain things kind of hinting and teasing. But you had

729
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: both posted the pictures in the pool with what I

730
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: think at the time is and I can assume and

731
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. You thought they were witty

732
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: captions because I don't think you knew how much everything

733
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: on the show was going to blow up. So, yeah,

734
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: what was your process that day when you both posted

735
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: those the pool picks with the ig captions that you

736
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: know since that have been removed. Yeah, I think that

737
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: it was all you know, It was not meant to

738
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: hurt anybody, obviously, not knowing what transpired, what transpired, what

739
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: was going to be shown, all of that we posted

740
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: before that episode. Um, it was all you know in

741
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: good fun, which seems like a really cool thing to say,

742
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: because it was at the expense of Natasha's feelings, which

743
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: is not fair, is you know, I apologize for that, Like,

744
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: that's that's not fair. That was not the right way

745
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: to go about it. It was purely supposed to be lighthearted,

746
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: and obviously, looking back, it's you know, it's not fair

747
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: to do that at the expense of someone's feelings. It's

748
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: not fair to do that, you know, not considering how

749
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: that's going to make Natasha feel. And that's you know,

750
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so sorry for that. I'm sure Brendan is

751
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: so sorry for that, because that was not our intention,

752
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: was to hurt anybody's feelings or further this, you know,

753
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: this mean mean storyline at all. Um. It purely was

754
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: to be witty and to be to be all of

755
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: that and nothing more. That's basically that's it. Oh, this

756
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: is something I wanted to ask because when it was airing,

757
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way that they thought that

758
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: cameras were on them. But obviously there was so much

759
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: that I think audio picked up that you and Brenna

760
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: had talked about that I'm sure you never thought would air,

761
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: did you. Did you both just genuinely not know that

762
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: there was cameras everywhere, like in every corner. I mean

763
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: I did. I don't know, Yeah, I mean I did.

764
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was always thinking about it

765
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But obviously you're on a show. You sign

766
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: up for that you're miked, like you know that you

767
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: are going to be filmed if you were anywhere on

768
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: that beach. Is there anything that you regret now saying

769
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: or doing or not doing that you wish you could

770
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: either take back or redo, just you know, knowing everything

771
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: that transfer. Yeah, I mean I think that I definitely

772
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: regret that any of my actions for anybody else, obviously

773
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: Natasha being that primary person, Like, I am so sorry that,

774
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: like me coming down to the beach had any any

775
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: negative impact on her time in Paradise. I'm sorry that

776
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: like my actions beforehand, you know, had any weight in

777
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Brendan's actions, Like that was never my intention obviously. Then

778
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: people watching that back on the exterior seeing these you know,

779
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: these traits come up on TV shows that people maybe

780
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: have experienced their actual life. Like, I apologize to those

781
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: people as well, but my primary apology goes out to Natasha,

782
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 1: because that's that's not fair, That's not what Paradise is about.

783
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have your your experience tainted by one singular person,

784
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: and the fact that I had any role in that

785
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I regret. I you know, I think that if you

786
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: would have asked me a few weeks ago, I would

787
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: have said that I regret going on Paradise. But I

788
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: think that, you know, at the end of the day,

789
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I did, and it's that's not really fair to regret that.

790
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: And I tried not to live with regret. So instead

791
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: of regretting the experience, I'm taking as a learning opportunity.

792
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of all anyone can do

793
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: when you know, they mess up. So what does the

794
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: future for both Piper as an individual and for you

795
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: and Brendan look? Like? Can you don't have to get

796
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: into the details if I'm not asking for the nitty

797
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: gritty here, because again, like whatever you feel comfortable sharing,

798
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: I would never want to brand and dry one's relationship.

799
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: But what does that the future hold for you and

800
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: you both? Yeah? I mean I think right now for

801
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: me personally, like I'm just you know, focusing on the

802
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: things I enjoy. I mean, I made that post about

803
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, being a really anxious person, and that I

804
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: think people took that out of context to be in

805
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: reference to Paradise that had nothing to do with that

806
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: is simply about why I haven't been on Instagram. But

807
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: I think that in that I mentioned finding joy and things,

808
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I really enjoy my job, so focusing

809
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: on that, I really enjoy my genuine friendships, like focusing

810
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: on those and kind of just like focusing on those

811
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: things rather than being caught up in this and like

812
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: anxious thoughts, feelings, things that streuss me out, which we

813
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: obviously all have, um. You know, for Brendon and I

814
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: think we're going to continue working through this. You know,

815
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: we have strong feelings for each other. But I think

816
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: that slowly for us, slowly but surely will win the race, hopefully,

817
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: um And you know, hopefully, like our we're able to

818
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: get in a groove and be and be good and

819
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: work work past this because you know, that's all you

820
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: can hope for. So if you had to give any

821
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: advice to anyone coming to Paradise in the future of

822
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: what to do or not to do anything in general,

823
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: what would that be, UM, watch Paradise beforehand. I think

824
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: that that was one of my fatal flaws that I've

825
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: never seen Paradise. So, um, you know the unspoken rule book,

826
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: which you know obviously grocery short Joe likes to refer to.

827
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: And I think that that's that's a legitimate thing. Like

828
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of it because I had never seen

829
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: the show. So watch Paradise before going on. Um, and

830
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: then yes, I want to do Yeah, do your research. UM.

831
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, if there's somebody that you're interested

832
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: in and you and you think that they're going to

833
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: be in Paradise, wait for that relationship to go in Paradise.

834
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: Maybe inquire slightly to know if there you can be

835
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: there or not. But other than that, just if you

836
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: want to where that relationship take the time of what

837
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: paradise is to have an unaccepted time of doing could

838
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: play together because otherwise feeling it like me, Well, if

839
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: you two are still working things out and you have

840
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: a loyal, respectful relationship that you can grow from and

841
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: learn from this, I mean, I think that's all anyone

842
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: can ask for, I think, in any relationship, in anyone

843
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: in general. All Right, So Piper, obviously your life has

844
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: changed for good. I think some tough moments, Like I said,

845
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: it was a roller coast for these past I would

846
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: say this past year for you just being on Matt

847
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: Season and now Paradise. But I want to leave the

848
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: floor up to you. Is there any last words or

849
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: advice or anything that you want to share with our

850
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: listeners about you as a person, what you've gone through,

851
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: anything at all. Yeah. I mean, I think first and foremost,

852
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate I reapology that I gave.

853
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: Obviously those apologies are mostly towards Natasha because my actions

854
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: affected for directly, and I am so genuinely sorry for that,

855
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: and I do hope to get the opportunity to speak

856
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: to her face to face or you know, give her

857
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: a verbal apology for that. And then I want to

858
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: apologize to anybody who saw those actions and it reflected

859
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: something in their life and that was triggering for them,

860
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: because obviously that's not easy either, So an apology to

861
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: those people as well. But I think that overall, like

862
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: when we look at our lives, we all make mistakes.

863
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: And obviously that's a very cliche thing to say, and

864
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: this isn't my mistake, and I fully wholeheartedly own that.

865
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: You know, I did not, you know, go into Paradise

866
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: as everybody else does and that's not fair. But I

867
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: do make mistakes. We all make mistakes, and I think

868
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: that having a little you know, kindness and understanding and

869
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: that would you know, not even for my own benefit,

870
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: but just for everybody. Just be kind to one another.

871
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: And just because you see something doesn't mean necessarily need

872
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: to send them a message on Instagram or anything, because

873
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: there is a lot of a lot of rumors and

874
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: everything out there. So just understanding that before you're quick

875
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: to send a death thread on Instagram. I mean, well said,

876
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I've said this time and time again, and I'm going

877
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: to say it, I think till the day that I die.

878
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, everyone coming

879
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: on the show, like, yes, we open ourselves up to

880
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: this public forum to watch our journeys unfold for a

881
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: short amount of time. But we're human. We have feelings

882
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: and emotions, and we all have our struggles behind closed

883
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: doors that no one will ever see and know about.

884
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: And so I would just reiterate to all of our

885
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: viewers and listeners that, like, we're humans and this is

886
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: a reality show. Real feelings do get involved. People make mistakes,

887
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: we fuck help, we say stupid shit, we do great shit, sometimes,

888
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: but like we are real, and so I know that

889
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: people get so invested in everything that transpires on the

890
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: beach or in the show in general, but to remove

891
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: themselves a bit, and yes, sending death threats, the trolls,

892
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: like the haters. It's like, you don't have to like us,

893
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with us, but you also

894
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: don't have to be terrible monsters to us as well,

895
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: and stuff we shouldn't. We shouldn't be that way either. So, yes,

896
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: we're all humans. We really have hearts, we really have brains.

897
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean some of us don't. But you know, it's

898
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot to take in. So I'm just glad that

899
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: we were able to have you on. But I want

900
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: to get into the fun stuff because I know that

901
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you were friends with Michelle. You obviously met during Matt's

902
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: season of the Bachelor, and I've met her several times

903
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: now and I'm absolutely obsessed with Michelle. I mean, maybe

904
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: it's the Midwest that we're both Minnesota girls. She feels

905
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: like my kind of people, but I know that you

906
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: two her friends. So any advice, any support, anyone wishes,

907
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: please share that with this platform now, because I'm sure

908
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: she would love to hear that. M Yes, Michelle is

909
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: one of those people that she's like a ray of light.

910
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: I think that everyone felt out on that season. She's

911
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: just like she's so positive but so realistic and so

912
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: like just down to earth. She's just like a great person.

913
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: So my advice plus like what I want to say

914
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: is I hope no, this guy's tried to mess with

915
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: her because she's bad. She's a bad niche if I think,

916
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: guess on this and I think just at the end

917
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: of the day, I hope everyone's watching because I think

918
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: that she's really happy, and it's just it's good to

919
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: see her happy and it's good to see, you know,

920
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: someone's so so good get to go through this experience

921
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: and get to get to find their person. I think

922
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: she would have anyone. I know, like every time a

923
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: season starts, and maybe it's just because I now know

924
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: what what it takes to you know, like go through

925
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: dating so many people. It's not easy. But every time

926
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: a new season starts, to always get a little apprehensive

927
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and I get kind of like this MoMA bear vibe

928
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: of like, you know, no one messes with my baby,

929
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: and you want them to find love. But out of

930
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: anyone I am so not nervous for Michelle. She has

931
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: such a great head on her shoulder, she has the

932
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: biggest heart, she has such a fun, loving, open welcoming personality.

933
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: She's I will say, like, I want to manifest this

934
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: because I want to put this out for her. But

935
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: I feel like she's going to have one of the best,

936
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: most entertaining seasons to watch. But I truly think and

937
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't know anything of what happened. I know that

938
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: she's happy, but that's all I know. I truly think

939
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: the show hopefully, it's going to be going back to

940
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: the basics, where like we find that wholesome love story again.

941
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to watch. Text me anytime if

942
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: you need a vent to me about guys or anything. Yeah,

943
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: it'll be It'll be an exciting one. So everyone please

944
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: make sure to watch next Tuesday, October night Team for

945
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: our girl Michelle to start her journey it live. Piper,

946
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: it has been so much fun having you again. I'm

947
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: glad that you were able to kind of come on

948
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: here share more of your side of things. I hope

949
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: that you felt like it was a safe space because

950
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: I know how nerve rocking these can go, especially with

951
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: everything that transpired, it got very extreme, very heated. So

952
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: hopefully now you can put the Paradise chapter to bed

953
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: and just move on and be happy and find what

954
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: feels your soul in life. Thank you, thank you for

955
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: having me. It was good to be able to speak

956
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: and talk about it and look through it hopefully the

957
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: final time. Yes, no more TV shows. Yes, I'm with

958
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: you on that one, all right, Piper, take care, good

959
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: to see you, Thank you you too. All right? Everyone, Well,

960
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: that is it for today and next week. I can't

961
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: wait because we're back at it. We have another season

962
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: of The Bachelorette. Hopefully it's going to be an exciting,

963
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: juicy episode since it will be the premiere of Michelle's

964
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: season and because from one Minnesota girl to the other,

965
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: I am so looking forward to this and I can't

966
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: wait to see Michelle Graces on a big screen. Don't

967
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: forget to watch it. It's on Tuesday, October nineteenth. She

968
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: looks stunning. I've seen some of the promos. The guys

969
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: look handsome. I think it's going to be a mix

970
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: of fun, romance, drama, all the good things that you

971
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: get with any of our beloved bachelor shows. But a

972
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: huge thank you to Piper for joining us today. I

973
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: know that that probably wasn't the most easy of interviews

974
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: to be doing, what I'm glad that she was able

975
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: to share her a side of things and give us

976
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more insight to her and Brendon and

977
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: everything that's transpired on the beach. So thank you to Piper,

978
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: but from bigger thanks to all of our Bachelor Happy

979
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Hour listeners. We appreciate you all so much each and

980
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: every week, so thank you for tuning in and listening

981
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: to us and just being the best fans and listeners ever.

982
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: So please make sure to follow us on social if

983
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: you don't already do so, you can do that at

984
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and at Batch Nation, Twitter

985
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: and Facebook. And as always, please don't forget to subscribe

986
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: to our podcasts. You can do that on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

987
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: The Wondering App, or wherever you are listening to us

988
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: right now. Thanks everyone, can't wait to talk again next week.