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Speaker 1: roll back again with the one and only Bishop Talbot Swan.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know him, he is somebody that you

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Speaker 1: we can stop talking to cut the check. Because if

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Speaker 1: I'm getting paid for this, there's such a back log

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Speaker 1: of in voices that I need to pick up that

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Speaker 1: that I'm set for the rest of my life. I

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Speaker 1: wish people would understand this ship fighting for black people

435
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: ain't never paid, never never. It's the ones who are quiet.

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00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: It's cost, that's right. I call it the consequences of consciousness.

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00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Those who are quiet right now, those who did all

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Speaker 1: of I'm for the culture, the culture of the culture

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00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: of the culture posting posting post you know, on my Instagram,

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Speaker 1: I post all the time. Notice who ain't saying nothing

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00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not posting because I'm thinking Joe Biden's

442
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Speaker 1: gonna look at my Instagram and say, you know what,

443
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: Tesla said, we need to do something, So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do something. I'm doing it because I want to direct

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00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: your attention to who is not saying something right now?

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00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that are getting the bag. Those

447
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: are the one you they pay for silence, not to

448
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: speak up. And there is a absolutely absolutely so that

449
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Speaker 1: is just a complete myth. And and that's exactly what

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00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Yeah, you're aging, Oh you over here

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Speaker 1: with them this and it and I you know again,

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Speaker 1: I think a certain amount of chaos. It disrupts you

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Speaker 1: if you will. Li's necessary even in the Bible. When

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Speaker 1: I remember when I ran in two thousand eleven for

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, eleven met chaos and disruption and

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00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: twelve was perfect leadership. Which you notice because you're a bishop.

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00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know, I know my word, bishop,

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Speaker 1: Am I impressing you press It's a little bit so

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00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: about the twelve elders around the throne. But I do

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00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: think the disruption is necessary. But sometimes you know, I

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Speaker 1: wish there was more of a strategic effort of us

462
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: understanding that each of us play a role, and each

463
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: of us and it doesn't have to be everybody Bishop,

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00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: you know what, everybody in Gideon's army. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about all of us, but at least the handful

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Speaker 1: of us that have the common thread of calling it

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00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: like it is, not bowing down the one party of

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00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: the other speaking up year round three. Understanding there's a

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Speaker 1: difference between calling out Trump and still demand a more,

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00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: understanding that even if we get more next year, guess

471
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, still ask for more and continue

472
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: to ask some more to the allay our bodies now

473
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: also being wise enough to understand that local elections, many

474
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: of them, absolutely matter, and understanding that most of those

475
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: races that really really matter are nonpartisan racist like school board,

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00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: like city council, like county council, commission sheriff, those types

477
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: of things are not uh partisan races. Although you know, okay, yeah,

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00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: we know Buddy died as a Democrat in Orlando, but

479
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: he doesn't run as a Democrat. He runs as Buddy Dyer.

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00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: I hope to see that at some point there can

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Speaker 1: be more used that can at least if nothing else,

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Speaker 1: you know, I talked to Killer Mike about it all

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00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: the time. How can we Maybe we don't do anything

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00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: more than what we're doing, which is just supporting each

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00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: other and bringing you know, you've bring brought me to

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00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: your show. I've certainly always invite you here. You share

487
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: my polls, I share your post tweets and so forth.

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00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that's all it is, or do you think there

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00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: is room bishop for more of a collaborative effort of

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Speaker 1: really you know what I call pushing the line, because

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Speaker 1: that's my my focus. I want people to be you know,

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00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: political education and institute mindset of understanding. We we really

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: have to school folks on these important issues, and we

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00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: don't expect him to follow everything that we do. So

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Speaker 1: do you think that at least, uh, those of us

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Speaker 1: that have some common some some commonalities among each other,

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00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: do you think we we could be doing more? Or

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Speaker 1: do you think staying in our own area as fine

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00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: as long as we have a mutual respect and don't

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Speaker 1: come for each other, because you know, once we come,

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00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: when somebody come for us, we come back. That that's

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00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: what happened with me with a d O s as

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Speaker 1: well and still respect the movement. But anytime you come

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00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: from me, I'm coming back. So do you think that

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Speaker 1: there's room for us to find more bishops and and

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00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: work collaboratively or do you think it's best we kind

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00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: of just stay in our own lane and and just

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00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: mutually respect each other's mission. Yeah, I think I think

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00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: can definitely do more. I think there's a need for

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Speaker 1: us to connect more often, to have more dialogue, to

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Speaker 1: understand and be aware of what each other is doing.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's some things that you can't let

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Speaker 1: the cat out the bag sometimes, um, but but there

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Speaker 1: are times when when we actually need to know, um,

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00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: what each other is doing to know how we can

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Speaker 1: be supportive of it, um, you know, one way or another.

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Speaker 1: And so I think I think oftentimes what happens is

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Speaker 1: the whole, the whole divide and conquer mechanism works so

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00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: well that even some of us that probably have more

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00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: in common than we have in opposition of to each other, uh,

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00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: don't do enough to connect with each other and to

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00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: support and to strengthen each other. We used to have

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00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: something way back in the day here that that kind

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Speaker 1: of broke up, and that was actually called the Black

525
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: and Latino Breakfast Club and together once a month and

526
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: if nothing else, to have discussions about what's happening here

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00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and what's just so that we're aware of what's going

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Speaker 1: on and how we can be supportive. And I think

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Speaker 1: just starting out to at least have a level of

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Speaker 1: dialogue and to figure out where we may be able

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: to fit in and be supportive could be critical in

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00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: terms of forging deeper and greater collaborations. Well, I'm gonna

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00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, probably shouldn't do it on the show, but

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00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: I am. I'm I am going to ask you two.

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00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: I know you have many things on your plate, but

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00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: I I see you in some type of leadership. You know,

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00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying former counsel or nonprofit, but I think

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00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: that you can merge the gap. Bishop, I really do

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00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: um on a lot of different voices to at least

540
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: understand a mutual respect. If I'm gonna B and C

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: every day, you know, I shout out people all the time,

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00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: whether they shout me out or not, I'm always shouting

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00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: somebody out. And I think that's important. If I'm on

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00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: cable news every day and I'm shouting out what you're doing.

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00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: Our vice versa. It may not be much, but something.

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00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's making sure you're in the space, if

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00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: you're giving me a shout out, if you're tagging me

548
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: on on Instagram. This this idea of wanting to be

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00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: the only one at the top, the only one with

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00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: the ego, the only one that if if five thousand

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00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: your followers follow me, it's not like they're gonna stop

552
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: following you, you know, so all means it's five thousands

553
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: of mine coming their way. And it takes nothing from

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00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: each other to to to respect each other and to

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00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: support each other, even in that small way. There were

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00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: there were a couple of of NFL football players who

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00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: had approached me about collaborating and being supportive, and they

558
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: were very intrigued by our brother uh Tarik Nashid and

559
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: wanted to support his Hidden History museum project. Um So

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00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I connected the brothers with to Rea. You know, that's

561
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do, and it takes nothing from me.

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00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I didn't try to solicit their support for into my

563
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: projects or anything else. That's where they wanted to go.

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00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: I connected them with the brother More power to them,

565
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: power to the project, and we've got to be able

566
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: to unselfishly support and help each other as long as

567
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: what we're doing is helping the movement. That's right. And

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00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why. If you're in this for the

569
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: right reason, I don't want to be by myself because

570
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: it's literally just a hand of us. It's going to

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00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: speak up. So I'm not asking for millions. I'm not

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00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: talking about people in the comments. I'm just talking about, Hey,

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00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: if I hit you with a text, like I sent

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00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: you a text the other night, because I know that's

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00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the issue you talk about, Hey, send me something. You

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00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: know what I talk about. Because we don't all have

577
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: to lead every issue. I don't want to pick every battle.

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00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight every battle. I want to

579
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: send it to the soldier that I know it's deep

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00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: in that movement that's talking about that. So for example,

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00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: I talk about reparations, but I don't talk about it

582
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: in depth the way you talk about it or other

583
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: or Tree talks about it. So when those types of

584
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: conversations come up, I will quote, I will refer I'm

585
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: not running from it. I just know how to pass

586
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: the ball. And I think any championship that's one are

587
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: people that know how to pass the damn ball. Excuse

588
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: my French. Nobody want to Nobody likes the ball a

589
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: ball hogger, and when you do that, you do not win.

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00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: Now the irony the text you sent me the other

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00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: day and you were talking about the new Marvel movie

592
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: and ironically, our sister, Sophia Nelson, who is a lifelong

593
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: long Republican, she contacted me because she is under serious

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: attack because she made a comment about a movie that

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00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: was depicting LGBT relationship and they're actually trying to get

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00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: her fired from the college that she Right now, she

597
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: is under intense attack. Um right now, now what now?

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00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: Now all these liberals and see this is what this

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00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: is a perfect example. And you know you just told

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00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: me that live I didn't know anything about that. I'm

601
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna let you finish. But this is the kind of

602
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: mess I'm talking about. When she was when she because

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: she is a conservative, she's an a k A. You know,

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00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: she she is a black woman. Oh, the liberals loved

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00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: him when she was up there talking about Trump and

606
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: how how he was. Oh yeah, the Field was their

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00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: best friend. So now, Bishop, are you telling me that

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: now that she is actually standing on her conservative values?

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: What she has the right to do her conservative Christian

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00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: values that now that doesn't meet of the standard for

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00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: the liberals. Is that Is that what you're telling me?

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: She asked. She she basically asked a question about a

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00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: comic book character, and they said, oh, that's hateful, etcetera, etcetera.

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00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: And they're calling for her head on a platform, and

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: and she My thing is this, at the end of

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00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the day, regardless of your political or theological viewpoints, this

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00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: is a sister who is who is under attack, um,

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00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: and we ought to be rallying behind her. But many

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: will be a fraid of the attack of the l

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00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: g B t Q lobby if they speak in support

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00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: of her. And and therein lies the problem that we

622
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: don't have enough independent voices who are not depending on

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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: certain forces to feed them. UM. So they are unwilling

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00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: to say anything because they feel like they're going to

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00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: risk something. You know. I'm fortunate enough that that I

626
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: don't have to sing for my supper, and and there's

627
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: nothing that they can take away from me. So I

628
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: can come out and support our sister. And I'm hoping

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00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: that there will be some others who can as well.

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00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about I don't want to skip over that

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00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: because of the lack of I guess, conversation in the media,

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: even though to read you guys did very well with

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00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: that documentary Estate number one on Amazon for quite a

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00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: long time, so you certainly didn't need the media's help

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00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: us to get the movie out there. But uh, it's

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00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: certainly not something that people talk about because of what

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00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: you're what you're saying. So how do you balance that, Bishop,

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00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, being a Christian, you love all people.

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00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: I believe that you love our gay, our LGBT community,

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00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: particularly when you talk about black LGBT. Is it possible,

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00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: I guess, how do you navigate that space to say

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00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: that you understand that you love LGBT, but you also

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00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: are very clear that there is an agenda when it

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00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: comes to at least LGBT, specifically with black men that

645
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: go that plays into removing black men from the heterosexual

646
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: household in order to procreate. Is that my understanding of

647
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: the concern learned that you have or I want you

648
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: to speak for yourself. Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah,

649
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: it's too prong One is that is is first of all,

650
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: as you stated, but I love all people, regardless of

651
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: whether they're gay or straight, heterosexual or homosexual, and they're

652
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: all welcome to my church. And you know, at a

653
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I have gave people in my church

654
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: who who take no offense to my being in buck

655
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: breaking or to the positions that I take. I think

656
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: that it's hypocritical for folks to talk about the black

657
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: family and black males in particular and state that the

658
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: problem with black males in terms of criminal behavior and

659
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: other behaviors that are negative is the lack of a

660
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: positive male role model in their lives. That the problem

661
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: with the black community is the breakdown of the Black family.

662
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, to support any movement

663
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: that is antithetical to uh, strengthening the black family in

664
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: terms of the traditional Black family of of of a

665
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: father and a mother and children and this Okay, I'm sorry,

666
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to stop you, but if you can

667
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: expound on that, because what do you say to say, Hey,

668
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: it's to lesbian women who are both black. It's two

669
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: gay men who are both black that are raising a

670
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: black family. As you continue, but I want to weave

671
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: that that goes but that goes but that goes against

672
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: the notion of of of children needing a strong black

673
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: father and a black mother, you know in the home.

674
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: You can't you can't simultaneously blame black men for the

675
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: crumbling of the black family and the Black community and

676
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: then say, but we can replace black males and black

677
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: fathers um with with lesbian households, and and with with

678
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: households with with two gay men. And then every person

679
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: of faith has a right to believe in the doctrinal

680
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: viewpoints of their particular faith. And we understand that in

681
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Black communities, we have a conservative faith that says that

682
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: the family unit consists of a man and a woman

683
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and children, a husband and a wife and children, and

684
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. Some kind of way, they

685
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: have decided that they're going to ostracize anybody with the

686
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: traditional viewpoint that the family unit should consist of a

687
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: husband and wife and children, and that's most of our

688
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: people of faith, and so so we have that issue.

689
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: But then we also have the issue of the historical

690
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 1: attempts to feminize and ospra eyes black males to remove

691
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: them from the family unit, and understanding that they use

692
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: tactics like buck breaking, like the raping, feminizing of black

693
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: men in order to shame them in front of their families,

694
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: in front of the village, so that if we can

695
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: break down the strongest among you, then we'll have an

696
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: easier time keeping the rest of you under subjection. That

697
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: was a tool of white supremacy that was used through

698
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: the years, and now we see it used in different formats,

699
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: but it's still buck breaking. So you know, when when

700
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: you wanna pull, when you wanna tell a black woman

701
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: who is on assistance that she can only stay on

702
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: assistance if we pull the mail out of the home,

703
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: that's buck breaking. You know when when when when you

704
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: when you take black men and mass incarcerated them and

705
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: remove them from the family unit so that the black

706
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: boys and young black girls are left fatherless, that's upbreaking.

707
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: They are all kinds of ways. This continues to be done,

708
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, even in contemporary society, and the movie was

709
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: really highlighting how they use the sexualization of of of

710
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: black men and and the breaking down of their masculinity

711
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: in order to control um the black male, the black woman,

712
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: and the black family. How do your colleagues in in

713
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the church world, how do they? I know you said

714
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: your church supports you, but do you do you have

715
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: a lot of allies you have more people in in

716
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: secret that support you, are or are their ministers that

717
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: stand with you. You know, I come from a a

718
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: a Pentecostal background, Pentecostal Holiness church that holds conservative views

719
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: around UM, A family and other issues. They hold UM

720
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: different viewpoints when it comes to social justice issues, but

721
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: they are very supportive of of the role that I

722
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: played in the movie. And then I have some who

723
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: who do not agree. You know, I have some colleagues

724
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: who come from what they call open and affirming traditions UM,

725
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: who who see UM the role that I played in

726
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: the movie as hateful, as UM as putting the LGBTQ

727
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: community in danger. And and my my position is this,

728
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: why can't we just tell the truth what what you

729
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: see in that documentary? It's factual, this is what happened,

730
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: and and and this this notion that you have to

731
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: water down the truth UM in order to safeguard people's

732
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: feelings UM to me's counterproductive. It's it's it's almost like

733
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: the whole attack on critical race theory, which is really

734
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: they're not even defining critical race theory anymore. What they're

735
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: really defining now it's just playing oh American history that

736
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: we just cannot tell the truth about what happened in

737
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: America because it's going to offend white folks, is going

738
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to offend the LGBTQ community, is gonna offend that community.

739
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: I think Dave Chappelle, uh, you know put it eloquently

740
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: when he said, you know, in America, UM, you can

741
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: kill a nigga, but you can't offend a gay person.

742
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: And I would love to have you back because I

743
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk about interracial relationships and the conversations

744
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: around you know, Dave Chappelle is not married to a

745
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: black woman, although she's what they call a person of color. Um.

746
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: I had to go back and forth the other day

747
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: about Colin Kaepernick and in his choice of women, and

748
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: I I would love to have you back, you know,

749
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: to have an adult conversation about that. You know, on um,

750
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, being able to be so pro black, and

751
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: then again conversations about the black family. How do we

752
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: continue to sustain or appropriate and your you know, your

753
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: position on that. Even though I know that the black

754
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: dominant gene is dominant, I get it it, but it

755
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: do seem like bishop that every time when a black

756
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: man dates, as how the race everybody becomes a DNA

757
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: ancestry ambassador. You know, Um, they go if they know

758
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: how to go all the way back to Africa and

759
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: this and bad. But when the black woman does it,

760
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: she's called bedwinch no no exceptions, And I'm generalizing. You know,

761
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: that's not everybody. I I get it, So don't don't

762
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: at me saying oh more black men married black majority

763
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: black men married black women. I know that I get that.

764
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: But something about triggering that, something about that topic bo

765
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: and it just really triggered triggers people. And it's not

766
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: a distance Chappelle because again his issue. I'm glad that

767
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: he's speaking up. You know, I don't care who people

768
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: with as smart as I'm concerned. But I do think

769
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: that's another you know, conversation, um that people kind of

770
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, talk around. I've only dated and was married

771
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: to a black man, just for the records, But I

772
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: do think that's, you know, a conversation. When he has

773
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: taken such criticism, you know, for the calls and the

774
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: calls of black people, there is there is something to

775
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: say about that wealth being transferred to at someone outside

776
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: of our community and her family, that knowledge being transferred

777
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: to somebody outside of the community family, and it's just

778
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: interesting that nobody really talks about that because they kind

779
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: of all put us together as people of color. But

780
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: then you can also look at um with Kamala Harris.

781
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: While while she was running, they played up the HBCU card,

782
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: they played up the A K A card, they played

783
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: up first black woman card, and then as soon as

784
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: she got in office, all of a sudden, the headlines

785
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: switched to the first Southeast Asian. Right. Absolutely, so, yeah,

786
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot to it's on there. And I will

787
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: say this my my issue with the movie before we

788
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: get out of here, which it was the externals um

789
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: that I went to see. I want to see what

790
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: my fourteen year old daughter and her generation, you know,

791
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: they they they truly if there is a generation that

792
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: is about we don't see color and I just want

793
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: to be with my friends, and uh, the Martin Luther

794
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: King vision, her generation is kind of like that. You know,

795
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: they learned, they hear from us, not at all. You know,

796
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: I'm generalizing. I'm not trying to generalize, but she has friends,

797
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, um of every race, and there's openly gay

798
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: people in her school at a time that wasn't we

799
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: didn't have openly gay men. You knew, but it wasn't

800
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: openly gay boys in high school the way it is,

801
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: so they're much more accepting of diversity. I say that

802
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: to say that, sitting there watching that movie with her,

803
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: it's not like she's never seen, you know, a gay

804
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: couple that it wasn't like that was something new. My

805
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: concern was that it didn't. It was forced in the storyline.

806
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: It absolutely had nothing to do with the story, nothing

807
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, it was literally forced, just as

808
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: it was forced for the woman that had sex neked

809
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: sex on the beach in that movie as well with

810
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: a man heterosexual. I went to a Marvel movie with

811
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: my child. It's not that she don't understand sex. It's

812
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: not that. Please she's any kid on social media seeing

813
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: all type of stuff that we never saw. But bishop

814
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: I come from the mindset of understanding boundaries, Like there's

815
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: certain things that I did that I just didn't do

816
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: in front of my mama. I'm much older than my daughter.

817
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a We have a great friendship relationship,

818
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: but I didn't have her at sixteen seventeen one. I'm

819
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: a mama's mama, you know what. I mean, I don't.

820
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable sitting there watching the head of a sexual

821
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: couple make love in front of my child. You know,

822
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: I did old school like you, like your mom used

823
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: to put the hands over. It's not that she don't

824
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: see it. She see it all the time, all kind

825
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. She see. I read a text message and

826
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: when she don't know, I'm looking. So it's not that

827
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: she's just naive to this. I'm just not comfortable having

828
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: certain conversations. I have conversation with her, you know, in

829
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: the appropriate way to talk about certain things, but I don't.

830
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: That's not entertainment for us to share. Does that make sense?

831
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: No more than she yeah? No more that she said, Hey, Mama,

832
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: you want to go to the Mega Stallion concert. No,

833
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm fine if I know you listen to Mega. I

834
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: listen to Mega, listen all types of talks of music.

835
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna be sitting here banging out with

836
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: my daughter listening to what. I'm just not gonna do it. Now.

837
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: Do I do it? Absolutely? Bishop, Absolutely I do. I'm

838
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: telling you the Bishop, But I am not comfortable doing

839
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: that with my child. I was uncomfortable doing it as

840
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: a thirty year old some woman with my with my

841
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: own mama, you know what I mean. So I maybe

842
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm just traditional. I just think there's certain boundaries that

843
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're right, and you're right in that.

844
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, a lot of these production companies and

845
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: UM groups feel the need to force that in to

846
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: the conversation so that they can be viewed as being progressive, etcetera, etcetera.

847
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: Some things just don't fit UM. And if it doesn't fit,

848
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't go to a Marvel movie to

849
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: see any sex scene. You know, I'm going to see superheroes.

850
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm a big four buff I you know, I was

851
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: a North Mythology UM fanatic for years. I was a

852
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Thor collector. To my wife, threw away my big Duffel

853
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: bag and she thought it was trashed when we were moving.

854
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: I still I'm still having a hard time forgiving for that.

855
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: But but in any case, you know, so I go

856
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: to see Thor throw the Hammer, you know, all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I'm not going to see sex scenes

858
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Speaker 1: at a Marvel movie. And you know, I've got a

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old. Our youngest child is fourteen. We were

860
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Speaker 1: still messing around at the Old age, but anybody. And

861
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Speaker 1: if I take him to the movie, I don't want

862
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Speaker 1: to see a sex scene. I just don't. I mean,

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00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: he had a sexual game whatever, And so when you won,

864
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: you're throwing me off with that and then you take

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Speaker 1: it to another place that you may not know if

866
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: every parent has had that conversation on diversity or whatever

867
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Speaker 1: that is. And it was just so out of pocket

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Speaker 1: to me. And that's why I tell her, like, is

869
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: this me and my tripping? And my am I too woke?

870
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: Am I too? Because sometimes we do? You know, we

871
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: live in our world of everything. I'll tell my baby

872
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: and tis I know it's hard having revolutionary mom made

873
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and she like it really is because everything connects back

874
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: to you know, you have to understand what it means

875
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: to be black and a black woman, and so I

876
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: try to check myself, you know. And I that's why

877
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: I reach out to say and my trip and is

878
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: it just me and my you know, and I just

879
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: being too woke? Am I being anti? Because these people

880
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: make you think you're being anti something? And they they've

881
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: they've come after me, Oh you must be anti immigrant?

882
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: Never my anti immigrant. I'm simply saying I want black

883
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: folks to have something. So it's pro black, is not

884
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: anti anything else. It's actually pro everything because once we

885
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: lift up, everybody get lifted up exactly for you. If

886
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: I if I'm not for myself first and foremost, and

887
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: so I get because my my children had to deal

888
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: with it, My grandchildren have to deal with it. My

889
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: grand baby mind said I want l O L dolls

890
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: for my birthday. I said, only if I can get

891
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: back white baby. I didn't buy your mama no white

892
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: Barbie dolls. So that's that's just how that go. That's right.

893
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: It is probably hard being your grandschild. I'll tell my baby,

894
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: but she'll she'll thank me later. So Bishop, I want

895
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: to thank you for coming by. Where can people I

896
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: know you have a is it a daily show? Um?

897
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: Let people know where they can find you, uh and

898
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: and connect with you. Absolutely you can catch me. My

899
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: website is Talbert Swan dot org, but all social media

900
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: is at Talbert Swan so you can catch me on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok,

901
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: Telegram wherever I'm there, although I don't know how to

902
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: use some of them. Um. Will you be working and

903
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: you'll be streaming everything at one time, You'll be on

904
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and all at the same time.

905
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Grant the Graham. Kick the Graham won't let me stream now,

906
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, because oh you got kicked off. Oh no,

907
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm not off. But they restricted me from going live

908
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: because I listed I put an affluenza, a bad day,

909
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: and several other things that I said, these are excuses

910
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: white folks have used to just by murdering people. And

911
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: they said that was HBS. Yeah, I'm surprised you made

912
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: it this long. Be quite honest with you. So we're

913
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: gonna keep your in pair. And again, I don't want

914
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: to give you another job to do, because you've got plenty.

915
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: But I do want to say on air giving you

916
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: your flowers, that I applied your leadership not just because

917
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: you know how to fight back, but also because you

918
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: know how to work with all of us that you

919
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: know have a different mission or calling and and we

920
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: all can, you know, be about the same thing, which

921
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: is loving black people. But everybody doesn't have to take

922
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: up every cross. And you understand that, and you get that,

923
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: and you respect people in their own way, and you

924
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: can honestly respectfully disagree. And we just don't have enough.

925
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: We really don't even understand what respectfully disagree means. We

926
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: say that on Twitter respectfully, but we really don't, UM

927
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: because if if we did, I think there would be

928
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: more of a connection between us two. So always, if

929
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: there's anything that I need to know that you're doing,

930
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, my inbox is always open, my text is

931
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: always I always answer back. Let me know if there's

932
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: something I can do to shout it out, to do

933
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: my part. Um at least with this, you know, giving

934
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: the space to talk about you know what you're doing. UM,

935
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to do so. And I want to

936
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: support people and they're moving and I hope UM you

937
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: continue to support my voice as well. So thank you

938
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: so much, Bishop for coming by the hood. Whisper Man,

939
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming by. We got some

940
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: big things coming up in two thousand and twenty two.

941
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: I hope you can join a killing Mike and I

942
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: because we really are trying to get to some of

943
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: these cities and have some of these conversations. We really

944
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: have to start building an army. It can no longer,

945
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, it can't just be online. We really gotta

946
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: start taking it to another level. So thank you so much.

947
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: Bishop here anytime, Yeah, but I will absolutely take you

948
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: up on that offer, So thank you so much, Bishop

949
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: Tapa Swan. Y'all check him out, follow him on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

950
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: you heard it on all the places you can check

951
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: him out. He is such a leader. I really really

952
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: do check into his ministry of not just preaching the

953
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: gospel but also giving people to business. That's one of

954
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: my favorite things to watch him do. He's the best edit.

955
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: Anybody can do this, but a lot of people can't

956
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: clap back, and he's one of the best. He's also

957
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: on BNC from time to time as well, so I

958
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: will always give my shout out and hope you come

959
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: back Bishop again and kind of give us update as

960
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: we get busy. In two thousand twenty two. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser,

962
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell

963
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: a friend. Straight Shot No Chaser is a production of

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00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: the Black Effect podcast networking I Heart Radio antes and

965
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank our producer editor mixer, the one

966
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: and only Marcy Depina, our mixed master Dwayne Crowd, and

967
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: our executive producer Charlottagne the God. For more podcast from

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