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Speaker 1: High podcast friends. As regular listeners know, I try to

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Speaker 1: run a family friendlish podcast, but because it's integral to

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Speaker 1: the plot. In this episode of Heavyweight, we dropped the

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Speaker 1: F bomb and unprecedented nine times. If they were giving

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Speaker 1: out peabodies for swearing, maybe i'd get one. Also, as

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Speaker 1: long as I'm giving advisories, I also pronounced the word

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Speaker 1: garage as garage. I encourage you to listen anyway. Hello,

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Speaker 1: did you get a message from me a couple months ago?

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Speaker 1: A phone message was on your birthday. I was wishing

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Speaker 1: you a happy birthday. It's possible I didn't hear anything back,

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Speaker 1: so I was concerned. Yes, when someone leaves your message

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Speaker 1: on your birthday, you have no obligation to return that message.

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Speaker 1: But that's it. Oh my gosh, it would have been

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Speaker 1: nice to get. I'm not saying a thank you card.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if I.

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Speaker 2: Was under no obligation, why are you now giving me

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Speaker 1: Some things in life aren't obligatory, but we just do them,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, like picking up the phone when I just saw that.

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Speaker 1: You called me exactly like, hey, wait a minute. From

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Speaker 1: Gimblet Media I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and this is Heavyweight. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode Sky Sky and her son Clark ever ritual, Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Every night, after his teeth

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Speaker 3: What was your favorite part of that movie? Probably like

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Speaker 3: the end was a good end. The helicopter scene was good.

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Speaker 1: Clark's eleven. Naturally, there's a lot of discussion about comic

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was a movie. You know, the

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Speaker 1: But there's something about the stillness of nighttime that also

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Speaker 1: doesn't normally. Not only does he tell Sky about what

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Speaker 1: He shares stories about what's going on at school, and

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Speaker 3: So the story, in a way, the story starts when

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Speaker 1: When she was eleven years old, Sky was best friends

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Speaker 1: They spent all the fifth grade together. Then summer came

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Speaker 4: Like did they do it for themselves or because of you?

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Speaker 1: Clark brings up Sky's story during their bedtime ritual, asking

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Speaker 4: I think you can't be like the person that you

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Speaker 3: Well, I like to think that it's less about me

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Speaker 1: There it is right there. At school functions, Clark watches

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Speaker 4: It's basically for me, are like my mom avenging. Those

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Speaker 1: It's not just Clark who feels this way. There's someone

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Speaker 5: And here I am all these years later, and I'm

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Speaker 5: She always understood how to sit in with people, completely

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Speaker 5: The way he wanted her to figure this out. Because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like the good that this good ending hasn't fully

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a lovely state.

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Speaker 1: After several minutes of this elaborate dance, I get to

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Speaker 1: You think I should come?

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Speaker 9: Good how about you guys? Hi Clark, nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Sky picks me up at the hotel. Clark's along too,

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Speaker 2: Nerve Clark, you can continue to navigate for me.

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Speaker 1: Clark sits in the passenger seat, leafing through a comic book.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me I'm just going to throw this

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Speaker 2: Wait, is the trunk open?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow? It seems that in my excitement to hit

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 1: Sky finds a place on the shoulder of the highway

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Speaker 10: That's why they call me mister excitement. Actually, no one

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Speaker 3: I feel nervous sighted, which is a word.

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Speaker 9: That I am when when I you use the word

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Speaker 4: Like before, like baseball games and like stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Clark is eleven years old. In the comic books he reads,

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Speaker 1: that's how problems are solved with punches, kung fu chops.

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Speaker 2: Well, as we were talking about last night before you

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Speaker 1: I wanted a quiet place for Sky and tested to talk,

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Speaker 2: I think we're basically here.

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Speaker 1: We pull in the empty campus parking lot.

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Speaker 1: The studio is only big enough for Sky and Tessa,

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Speaker 2: I'm mom, Hi, Clark.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you turn it on.

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Speaker 2: It's good to hear your voice.

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Sandy the studio technician helps us get set up and

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Speaker 1: neutral question. Tell me, how's it right in today?

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Speaker 2: How is the right end?

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Speaker 8: You don't have to shout into it.

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Speaker 3: It was easy, except for when we left the hatchback

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Speaker 1: Laugh it up, Sandy the studio technician, Laugh it up.

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Speaker 1: Tessa's running late, so Sky sits waiting in the studio

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Speaker 8: Ah, okay, okay, Hey, I'm Jonathan, glad you made it

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Speaker 8: a nice to meet you too.

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Speaker 1: Tessa's stylish and like Sky, looks younger than her years,

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Speaker 1: you could still see a trace of the popular girl.

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Speaker 1: I show her into the studio where Sky's been waiting.

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Speaker 1: The two haven't seen each other since they were children.

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Speaker 2: Who do you do you keeping close touch with anywhere

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Speaker 3: You guys can start now, okay, thanks Clark. Clark says,

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Speaker 2: You know, is it too early for me to ask

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Speaker 11: Why didn't you do it?

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Speaker 2: For both of us?

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Speaker 3: But then had also written fuck you on the garage door,

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Speaker 1: Clark's got this look on his face. Love to know

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Speaker 1: But even after thirty five years of waiting to ask

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Speaker 1: a sip of water.

443
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 11: Sorry, I'm just my throat is dry.

444
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.

445
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Sky smiles warmly and gives Tessa a moment to collect herself.

446
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: Take your time, so I have a vague recollection.

447
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: It's really really vague. What I what really stands out

448
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 6: is that we were just going teping, like we went

449
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 6: teping a lot, you know, not just on that night,

450
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 6: and we literally just stumbled upon your home. And that's

451
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 6: why I remember.

452
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Clark furrows his brow. He wants his mother to push harder,

453
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: be more aggressively.

454
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Speaker 4: Mom, ask why you weren't invited to go toilet papering

455
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: with them?

456
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. We watch a. Sky waits

457
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: patiently for Testa to finish speaking.

458
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: He wanted me to ask you why didn't come with

459
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: you that night teeping?

460
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Why weren't you invited? Not why didn't that come why

461
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't invited.

462
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 6: I I in my mind we had drifted apart by then.

463
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Speaker 1: Inside the control room, Clark shakes his head.

464
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: I think there's more the story, you do, Yeah.

465
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: What makes you think that? He slumps back in his

466
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: seat and crosses his arms. He seems frustrated.

467
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 6: I remember your mom calling my mom, And for my

468
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 6: mom it wasn't a big deal either. My mom, first

469
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 6: of all, didn't even know what two being was. I

470
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 6: had to explain it to her.

471
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

472
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: I did not realize until maybe now that it was

473
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Speaker 6: more of a big deal for you.

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00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

475
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: And I feel like you're being very, very honest, and

476
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Speaker 3: I really really appreciate that.

477
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: When Tessa and I last spoke, she mentioned how odd

478
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: this whole undertaking seemed to her. A woman she hadn't

479
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: heard from in thirty five years, wanted to talk to

480
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Speaker 1: her about a random night from their childhood. Oh and

481
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: she also wanted to bring along her eleven year old

482
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: son and his forty eight year old sidekick, both of

483
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: whom would be communicating with Sky through a secret microphone

484
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: WA's way so she can talk about wait wait wait.

485
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Inside the control room, I watched Sky perform a delicate

486
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: balancing act. She's aware that Clark is watching, so she's

487
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: trying not to be too timid, but she also wants

488
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: to set a good example for how to behave and

489
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: through all that, she can't help seeing it from Tessa's perspective,

490
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: how weird and uncomfortable this must be for her. Sky

491
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: wants to help Tessa feel safe, and so she treads lightly.

492
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think being the parent now of a child,

493
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Speaker 3: I understand how quickly things can get confused. And it

494
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: really was the words that that's what seemed to communicate

495
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: to me, I've done something terrible, like I must have it.

496
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: I must be responsible for this in some way, you know,

497
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Speaker 3: And so I wondered, did I do something?

498
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: You can see the TESSAs weighing her response. She doesn't

499
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: quite know what to say, but with Sky being so

500
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: gracious and open, it's like she feels the least she

501
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: can do is try to meet her halfway, and so

502
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: tentatively she offers a thought.

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00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 11: Ah, maybe you were a little different than them in

504
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 11: what way?

505
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Again? Tessa searches for the right words, all the while

506
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: never seeing us or we, but always they.

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Speaker 6: They were like they were a little mischievous. You know,

508
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: they were a little rebellious and wanting to do something bad,

509
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 6: and I was, and maybe you weren't. Maybe you didn't

510
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 6: want to go along with what they were doing.

511
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's interesting about that is the whole

512
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: tepeeing thing.

513
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: I remember that being a sing but I remember I

514
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: actually remember not wanting to do that. Would you say

515
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: that that maybe I was more like a goodie two shoes.

516
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: Type compared to them? Yeah, you know.

517
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: According to Tessa, if Sky had stayed friends with those girls,

518
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: it would have meant a summer of drinking alcohol and

519
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: pulling off semi illegal pranks after dark, all things Sky

520
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted. Even back then, she didn't want to

521
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: upset anyone. To her friends, that made her seem like

522
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: a goody two shoes, And to a goody two shoes

523
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Speaker 1: who thinks they're better than you, what could be more

524
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: of a fuck you than a literal fuck you? The

525
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: words large and clear emblazoned across her family's grage door.

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Speaker 1: I turned to Clark to see what he makes of

527
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Speaker 1: all this. Is there something that you feel like we're

528
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: just kind of missing or we're not getting it?

529
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: I remember really not wanting to be.

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Speaker 1: Clark stairs straight ahead, watching his mom. I can see

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: he's thinking something through. He makes a move towards the mic,

532
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: but then shies away. He's antsy, rising from his seat,

533
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: settling back. Eventually I make a suggestion, do you just

534
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: want to go in there?

535
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Totally. Clark gets up, leaves the control room and makes

537
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: his way to the studio to talk to his mom

538
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: in person. Watching him, I have no idea what he's

539
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: up to.

540
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Oh Clark is here.

541
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh Clark enters the room.

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Speaker 8: Was that?

543
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: But it's not as mommy's addressing. It's Tessa. I take

544
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: a deep breath as Clark begins to speak.

545
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: Uh, did you feel in any way like dragged into it,

546
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: like to do like to toilet paper people's houses.

547
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 6: I don't know if I would say dragged, but I

548
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 6: would say definitely I was a follower.

549
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly surprised by Clark's question. It's the same

550
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: one he's been asking since the beginning, essentially, why did

551
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: you do this to my mother? But I am surprised

552
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: by the way he's asking it, not with anger but

553
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: with sympathy. For the first time, Clark's trying to see

554
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: it all from Tessa's perspective, he's following his mom's example.

555
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 6: Sometimes you're with friends because those are the ones you have.

556
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 6: So you'll stick with your friends even though you see

557
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 6: things that you don't like in them. You just don't

558
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 6: want to be alone.

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00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks, okay, yeah, thanks Claire.

560
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: And because Tessa didn't want to be alone, she continued

561
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: to hang out with the girls for several more years

562
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: before eventually finding a new group of friends. Tessa turns

563
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: to Sky.

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 6: Honey, you freaking dodged a bullet.

565
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 12: That's what you did, not being with those girls, I

566
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 12: have to say.

567
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: Sky tells Tessa that there's still one thing she's been

568
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: wondering about. Why did Tessa agree to talk with her

569
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: at all? It would have been easy to say no,

570
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: everyone else did.

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00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 6: Why I said, yeah, truthfully, the call was so out

572
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 6: of the blue, of course, I you know, at the beginning,

573
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, sure, you know, like, and then I

574
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 6: talked to my daughter and she was like, no, like,

575
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 6: don't do that.

576
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: How old is your daughter?

577
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 6: My daughter is almost thirteen?

578
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, what was she worried about?

579
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 6: She's she kind of said, like, what's in it for you?

580
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: Mm hm?

581
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 6: You know, she was kind of worried that, like I

582
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 6: would come out as a bad person or something.

583
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: How is she feeling right now that you're here.

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Speaker 11: She's mad?

585
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 6: She is, Yeah, she's mad, But you know I told her,

586
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 6: like not everything we do in life is for us,

587
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: it's for other people as well, So she'll be fine.

588
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: Whereas Guy set out to show her Sun that she

589
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: has the courage to stand up for her own needs,

590
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Tessa wants to show her daughter that she has the

591
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: courage to stand up for someone else's.

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00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that I didn't. The thought of you thinking

593
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 6: for thirty five years that you had done something wrong

594
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 6: is like, Oh, I really don't think that you did anything.

595
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 6: I really don't. I'm sorry that you felt like that.

596
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 6: You know, I wish that you hadn't.

597
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I'm hearing it now.

598
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: I'm glad too. So I'm really glad, And it's really

599
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 6: good to see you. And you literally look exactly the same.

600
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 6: Maybe your hair is a little shorter.

601
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: And.

602
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: Michael, go ahead, was that dramatic hug? Oh you want

603
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: a dramatic hug.

604
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: That's glad. I think we have to have the dramatic.

605
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Hug because the room's so small. When they stand, they're

606
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: already almost touching. They look at each other for a

607
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: brief moment, and then Sky opens her wings.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's good to see you.

609
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: So good to see you.

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Speaker 1: After the meeting with Tessa, Clark didn't have much to say,

611
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: but at night, back in his room, in that space

612
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: where he feels free to open up, Clark's eager to

613
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: talk about Tessa.

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00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: Honestly, I didn't know that person, so I thought they

615
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: might like still be the bully, still bullying you. And

616
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: I didn't want you to feel like scared or anything

617
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: in that situation, so I was kind of anxious. Well,

618
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: then I met Tessa and she was like super nice,

619
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: she was super hard, And I feel like you'd like

620
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 4: you weren't timid, Mommy, you were brave, Mommy.

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Speaker 1: Tonight there's no talk of avenging. Through his mom's example,

622
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Speaker 1: Clark learning that one can be kind without being timid.

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Speaker 1: The kindness can carry its own strength.

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Speaker 3: If you had if he hadn't had that night where

625
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: you had said you have to figure this out, mom,

626
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: I really honestly don't think I would have done it.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more coming for Clark. Moments when he'll

629
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Speaker 1: have to make difficult decisions. Some of them he'll talk

630
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: about with Sky, and some he won't. But for now

631
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Speaker 1: they keep talking, neither of them quite ready to go

632
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: to sleep just yet.

633
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Remember when you said that there was an international Tomato day,

634
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Speaker 3: Jop judging.

635
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: Me, it was international.

636
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 7: Now that the fern entures returning to its goodwill home,

637
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 7: Now that the last month's rent is scheming, with the

638
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 7: damage to possible, take this moment to dissolve. If we

639
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 7: meant it, if we talked, we felt around for far,

640
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 7: tooting from things that accidentally talk.

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