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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast, presented by the Chargers

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am the

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Speaker 2: host as always, and joining me is my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, what something? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Doing well? Staying hydrated?

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Speaker 2: Yes, staying hydrated for sure. Welcome back, mister Denzel Perryman.

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Speaker 2: Should be a lot of fun to see the reunion.

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Speaker 2: The prank call video sat Derwlin he was gonna take

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Speaker 2: number three was a nice touch today. So I got

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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about today. Of course, it is

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Speaker 2: that time of the month. We are going to be

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Speaker 2: joined to by mister Trevor Sikima to dive into everything

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Speaker 2: draft related from the Keenan Allen trade as well as

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings trade that happened last weekend, and some

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Speaker 2: of the other free agency tidbits that the Chargers have

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Speaker 2: been able to do, how the draft formsifications stack up,

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Speaker 2: from signing Bradley Boseman and and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So should be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: After that interview, we'll jump back on here and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk some Keenan Allen legacy. So we wanted to

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Speaker 2: make sure we honored him in the way that he deserves.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have some great conversations with Trevor. Then

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Speaker 2: we'll have some good conversation about keenan A on the

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Speaker 2: other side before we get started. As always, Tyler and

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Speaker 2: I are fans of the team just like you guys are.

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Speaker 2: The opinions that we share on this channel every single

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Speaker 2: week are just that there our opinions that we're very

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Speaker 2: grateful to have this platform with the Chargers and excited

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Speaker 2: to dive in today's show.

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Speaker 1: That being said, here is mister Trevor Sikima.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, very happy now to be joined by

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Speaker 2: mister Trevor Sikima. You've heard him on the show several

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Speaker 2: times at this point, hopefully you have converted to be

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Speaker 2: a Stock Exchange member, faithful listener of the pod. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate Trevor for coming on and again, as as always, Trevor,

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Speaker 2: what's up and how you doing tonight?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, guys. I gotta say like sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'll go through and do you know reoccurring podcasts with

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Speaker 4: teams and there's not a lot of talk about you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a very quiet, you know, free agency or just

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Speaker 4: overall off season. Not the case with the Chargers. You

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Speaker 4: all have had new GM, new head coach, big free

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Speaker 4: agent moves, the teams look at different you're gonna do,

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Speaker 4: what could they do with the draft? All these possibilities,

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Speaker 4: and so it's great to be with you because of

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Speaker 4: the conversations that we're going to have here on this show.

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Speaker 4: I have naturally in my own personal life as well

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Speaker 4: when I'm just talking to all my friends. So I'm

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Speaker 4: excited for this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if this were last year, it would have been

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Speaker 2: a much much more boring conversations. The Chargers were strapped

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Speaker 2: with cash, same same coaching staff, everything, and they had

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Speaker 2: the twenty first pick instead of the fifth pick. So

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Speaker 2: a lot more possibilities this year. So yes, we'll dive

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Speaker 2: right in. You mentioned the big free agency move. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about the draft ramifications here, and I mean, just

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Speaker 2: that as fans of the team, we were shocked, gutted

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Speaker 2: by the news of the Keenan Allen trade. Yeah, for you,

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Speaker 2: was that something you expected to happen? And what was

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Speaker 2: just kind of your surface level reaction when you saw

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Speaker 4: Look, we knew that the Chargers were going to have

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Speaker 4: Keenan Allen would be like ninety percent of the time

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Speaker 4: number four on that list. And that's where it was

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Speaker 4: for me. I was just very, very shocked that a

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Speaker 4: It's gonna take some getting used to seeing him in

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Speaker 5: Five minutes later the news broke. We jumped back on

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Speaker 5: certain emotions. Go check it out if you want have fun,

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Speaker 5: it's just us in agony. Do you want to see

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Speaker 5: So now the million dollar question, and they also of

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Speaker 5: Maybe more so do they need to get.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, you feel things at number five.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been on here on this show and

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Speaker 4: we've talked about Marvin Harrison Junior, We've talked about Molie Neighbors, Romadounza.

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Speaker 4: Where's the Los Angeles Charges at five? That I think

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Speaker 4: Let's say Minnesota trades up to four. Right, so now

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Speaker 4: do we want Marvin freakin Harrison Junior? Which we didn't

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Speaker 4: think that that was gonna be a possibility, right. Oh,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of what they're still eyeing, if they want

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Speaker 4: it's a fascinating ripple effect that we are seeing with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned just kind of like what we thought

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Speaker 2: if quarterbacks go one through three, Marvin Harrison four, great,

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Speaker 2: But Daniel Jeremiah had them trading out of five today

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Speaker 2: in his mock draft, the Jets came up from Marvin

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Speaker 2: get this generational wide receiver prospect. What do you think

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Speaker 2: the charters could get in a trade down for a

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Speaker 4: Yeah. One, I wonder when I say personal, I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't really mean like personal in a negative way.

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Speaker 4: it's personal. That means it's negative. But I wonder how

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Speaker 4: and Martin Harrison Junior went for over one hundred yards

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Speaker 4: State played against Michigan. Right, Michigan wins both of those games, Sure,

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Speaker 4: but like that, dude's cooking us on the outside and

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Speaker 4: Will Johnson is going to be a first round pick

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Speaker 4: next year. So like he's producing against Will Johnson and

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Speaker 4: it's like, I wonder if that personal touch of it

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Speaker 4: We're getting Kayla Williams the number one overall pick. Go

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great calls there because obviously, obviously the Chargers and

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Speaker 5: and historically they've done that absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Because this was a guy that was Ramlik Willis was

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Speaker 4: I think to twenty twenty that was the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: class was tough. There wasn't really a good quarterback that

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Speaker 4: I think a team could really play at their flag on.

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Speaker 4: But as you guys know, and a lot of football

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Speaker 4: these quarterbacks because they have to. Right, just because a

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Speaker 4: teams out there who don't have quarterback needs. Right, every

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Speaker 4: You go back to twenty twenty one as well. I

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Speaker 4: but again, he was the pawn. It felt like Willis

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Speaker 4: I just don't think McCarthy's the pawn. I really don't.

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Speaker 4: I think that the love for him is legit.

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Speaker 4: the New York Giants take Malik Neighbors at six. Now,

433
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Arizona's calling the Titans, and they go, Okay,

434
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Speaker 4: you are a rebuilding franchise. We'll give you picks later

435
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Speaker 4: this year in day two, and we'll give you picks

436
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Speaker 4: in day two next year. Let us go from eleven

437
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 4: to seven and we'll get Romo Dnsay. So now, all

438
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 4: of a sudden, now they're sitting at seven, they have

439
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Speaker 4: Romo Dunsay. And then they also pick twenty three and

440
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 4: twenty seven and thirty five. So that is why it's

441
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Speaker 4: a great question would the Cardinals genuinely pass on that

442
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 4: type of a wide receiver? And the answer to it,

443
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 4: I think lies in what they think of the other

444
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Speaker 4: two wide receivers, because Austin Ford is not the kind

445
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Speaker 4: of guy who I think it's just gonna make a

446
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 4: trade and then go who, all right, made a trade,

447
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 4: We're good to go. If he moves back from four

448
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 4: to eleven to twenty three, he's gonna be on the

449
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: phone immediately with all those other teams saying, okay, I

450
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 4: got eleven now. Actually, he probably has these conversations before

451
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Speaker 4: the draft even starts, because you know, you only got

452
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes on the clock, so he's probably already laid

453
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: the baseline and he probably only makes the move from

454
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Speaker 4: four to eleven if he feels like maybe he can

455
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 4: have the confidence to get back up if they want

456
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 4: one of these receivers. So that's again where my mind

457
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 4: goes when you ask the question would the Cardinals pass

458
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: and a guy like this? I think they have the

459
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Speaker 4: flexibility to be able to pass a guy like that,

460
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Speaker 4: because I think they can get back up and still

461
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Speaker 4: be really happy with it.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Cardinals, I think this is a really.

463
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Speaker 1: Smart move for you.

464
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Speaker 5: I'm happy to clip this out for you and send

465
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Speaker 5: it to you along with a fruit basket and a

466
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 5: bouquet of roses or whatever. Okay, let's say the Chargers,

467
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 5: because Jim Harbaugh Greg Gorman, they're gona run the football.

468
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: Let's say they go trenches and then a corner in

469
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 5: the second round because they need one. Who is that receiver?

470
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Speaker 5: Who are some of their receivers round three, three, et cetera.

471
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 5: They really fit what the Chargers want to do, which

472
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 5: is to get faster and work the play action game.

473
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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of receivers that I think could

474
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 4: be really nice pick somewhere like third fourth round. I

475
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 4: think Javon Baker from UCF as somebody who I really like.

476
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: Now he's like sort of similar to Josh Palmer a

477
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 4: little bit, so it's kind of like funny like pairing

478
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Speaker 4: him with the Chargers, But I think Baker is a

479
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 4: really talented player who in a different draft class could

480
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Speaker 4: be a top eight wide receiver.

481
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Speaker 1: I do.

482
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Speaker 4: I think that he is super talented and he's just

483
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Speaker 4: gonna get pushed way outside of wide receiver ten and

484
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Speaker 4: the top ten of receivers taken just because it is

485
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 4: it is so talented, but I think that he is

486
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Speaker 4: really good. Jamari Thrash is somebody else who I like

487
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 4: from Louisville who's got a knack for winning deep. He's

488
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Speaker 4: somebody who I think could really help in that. Like, okay,

489
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: play action, you keep the defense honest. You've got to

490
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: be able to pay attention at all times. Brendan Rice

491
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 4: from USC as well. He had a lot more strength

492
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Speaker 4: and power to his game that I was able to

493
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Speaker 4: see firsthand when he was at the Senior Bowl. You know,

494
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Speaker 4: some people looked at it and they're like, oh, he can't separate,

495
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: And okay, he struggled to separate a little bit, but

496
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: let's not take it away from him. He was also

497
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: making some of the best contested catches like all week.

498
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: And so now you've just got this dude who very

499
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: very high iq of how to win the position. Maybe

500
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: not quite the smooth athlete that his dad was, but

501
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: a strong player knows how to make those contested catches.

502
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 4: You're gonna be able to get him on the field

503
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Speaker 4: in blocking down situations for like you said, like that

504
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Speaker 4: play action.

505
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Speaker 1: Role things like that.

506
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Speaker 4: So those are a handful of guys that trying to

507
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: think like Johnny Wilson from Florida State, maybe is somebody

508
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: else as well, just a giant six foot seven, two

509
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 4: hundred and forty pound wide receiver who length and measurables

510
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 4: alone makes you a good blocker and somebody who could

511
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: actually help out a lot in the play action game.

512
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Speaker 4: But he's also somebody who I think wins very very

513
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Speaker 4: well off the Lion scrimmage with a lot of releases

514
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Speaker 4: in a way that you would not think for a

515
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: player of his high So I wonder if just that

516
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: unique ability is something that they would gravitate towards as well.

517
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: But I think those are a handful of receivers that

518
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Speaker 4: when I think like round three, that's what I think

519
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: could be realistic targets for him.

520
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Speaker 2: There you go, the one of the last things I

521
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about today, Trevor. The Charger signed

522
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: Bradley Boseman to be their presumable center for the short term.

523
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll see what happens in the long term here,

524
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: but Centaer's obviously a position of need Corey Lindsley likely

525
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: retiring has not been officially announced, but obviously there was

526
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: like the restructure and all that that went down. So

527
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Speaker 2: Center's gonna be a spot that a lot of people

528
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Speaker 2: point to the Chargers on day two. I guess this

529
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Speaker 2: is maybe a two parter here because there's a lot

530
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Speaker 2: of hype around the top of the center class. I

531
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Speaker 2: know in your guys's mock draft you did have Zach

532
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: Frazier going pretty high along with Graham Barton and Jackson

533
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson, So if the Chargers were to look, you know,

534
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Speaker 2: at one of those guys, is that's something they would

535
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Speaker 2: have to trade up for at this point? And then

536
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Speaker 2: if they wanted to, wait, who are maybe kind of

537
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Speaker 2: your round three, round four guys of a choice there?

538
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean them picking at thirty seven right now.

539
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's Zach's Frasier range. I mean I

540
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: wouldn't sit here and say like, oh, it's unrealistic. You

541
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Speaker 4: get Zach Frasier. Zach Fraser's a really good player. But

542
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 4: I don't know, centers normally not rated that high anyways.

543
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: I think in mock drafts, for seeing Jackson Powers Johnson

544
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Speaker 4: mocked in the top twenty, I wonder if that cool

545
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: is a little bit, you know, like he was great

546
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Speaker 4: at the Senior Bowl. I just think a lot of

547
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: people love him. I wonder if that cool is a

548
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: little bit and we start to see him more towards

549
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: like all right, well, maybe it's more like a mid

550
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 4: twenties kind of a pick with Jackson powers Johnson, like

551
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: I think about his connection to either the Tampa Bay

552
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 4: Buccaneers or the Dallas Cowboys or something like mid twenties ish,

553
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 4: and does that kind of push Fraser down a little

554
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: bit further into that early to mid thirties range. I

555
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 4: think it's realistic that you could possibly get him there.

556
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: But you know, if you talk about a third, fourth

557
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: round kind of players, Cedric Van Prawn from Georgia is

558
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 4: somebody who I like because he was entrusted to be

559
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 4: the middle of that offensive line during some of Georgia

560
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: his title runs and when he I think he was

561
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: a red shirt freshman his first year as a starter,

562
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: then he was redshirt sophomore, red shirt junior. He was

563
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: able to start all three years. For him, not exactly

564
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 4: the most fleet of foot type of a player, but

565
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 4: again for a Jim Harbaugh type of scheme, I mean,

566
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: bully people up front, man I mean, just like beat

567
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 4: people up front, be physical. I think he's gonna love

568
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: Van Prant, I really do. Obviously, the Michigan Center as well,

569
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Speaker 4: Drake NuGen Is in his class. Think he could be

570
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: an option for them. Bo Limmer from Arkansas, he's the

571
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: guy who's played guard, he's played center. I think his

572
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 4: best position is going to be center at the NFL level.

573
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 4: But then you can go a little bit further down.

574
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 4: There's a couple of names who have had good offseasons.

575
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Speaker 4: You know, maybe you're talking about early Day three range

576
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 4: Hunter Norsad from Penn State. I thought had a really

577
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 4: great Shrine Bowl when I was able to see him there.

578
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: Tannerbordalini played a lot better at the Senior Bowl than

579
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Speaker 4: I thought. I mean, I watched him on tape and

580
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: I was like, man, this guy's too light. I don't

581
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: really feel like he deals with power very well. It's

582
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 4: a different story in Mobile. He had a really nice

583
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Speaker 4: combine week as well. So he's somebody who I think

584
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: could be a nice center option somewhere on Day three.

585
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: And then a lot of people like Dolan McMahon from

586
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: Mensi State as well, who again like played a lot

587
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 4: better at the Senior Bowl than I thought then I

588
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: thought that he was going to So it's a decent

589
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: center class, it really is. I think there's a lot

590
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 4: of different options, whether you want to go for a

591
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: guy like Power Johnson or Frasier with a top forty pick,

592
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 4: or you can wait a little bit, and I think

593
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 4: that you could still find a potential starter at center

594
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 4: when you get into round three and round four.

595
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Speaker 5: Flipping to the other side now, I've been talking to

596
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 5: Cody Alexander about the Chargers scheme and Jesse Minter and

597
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: what they'll need on defense. They obviously kept the edge

598
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 5: rushers opportunity of Joey Buzza, love Khalil Mack, but they

599
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 5: need a defensive tackle.

600
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: They need a space eater.

601
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: Who are those guys outside of Devandre Sweat that are

602
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 5: like three hundred plus pounds total space eaters?

603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's tore Sweat. Who's the next Sweat?

604
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: No?

605
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no no. But I know I think that that's

606
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: that's a good question because and it's a great question

607
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: to have if you're the Chargers, because I think they're

608
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: they're they're not alone, and that they love one of

609
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: those base eater type of players. Problem is not a

610
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: lot of space eaters in this class, right, Like I'm

611
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: looking at just the big board right now. You got

612
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: Byron Murphy, you got jeers On Newton, who I think

613
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: of the first round of tier defensive lineman.

614
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: Right.

615
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: Those guys are very versatile. They could play anything from

616
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: a shade nose to a four eye technique. You're comfortable

617
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 4: with him winning in a lot of ways. I mean

618
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: there's even reps for jeers On Newton where he's playing

619
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 4: five technique defensive end and that's just the kind of

620
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 4: versatility that he has. So I think all those guys

621
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: can play any spot. But then you get to Okay,

622
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: Braden Fisk really nice one gap penetrating player, but short arms,

623
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: not somebody that you're gonna want to two gap in

624
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: an odd front. Ruka Roro Row. You like his versatility,

625
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: but again, does he have that size and power? The

626
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: same exact thing goes to Brandon Dorrilys as well. Dorless

627
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: is a nice option for them, But like when I

628
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: think of dor Liss, I like his versatility, but I

629
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: don't like him if you're just saying, hey, plug this gap,

630
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: like that's what we want you to do. Like I

631
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: think he brings you a little bit more than that.

632
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: He's not as big of a player as you would want.

633
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, round two eighty five something

634
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: like that, and so I think that that's not a

635
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: weight that you would want there. Chris Jenkins Junior from Michigan.

636
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: I don't mean to bring up another Michigan player, but

637
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: like Harbass saw what he was kind of holding the

638
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, and I think he actually gives you

639
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: that power profile to be somebody who could eat up

640
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: some blocks. But then it's like, you know, Michael Hall

641
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: Junior from Ohio State, more of a three tech a

642
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: pass rusher. Dwayne Carter from Duke, same thing, Leonard Taylor

643
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: the third from Miami, same thing. McKinley Jackson. He's got

644
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: the size and he's played a little bit of nose,

645
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: but he was more of that, Hey, we're gonna line

646
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: you up at nose and you're just gonna beat the

647
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: center with quickness, not necessarily, We're gonna line you up

648
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: in nose. Do the whole to and Andre sweat Jordan

649
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: Davis thing where you fork lift the guy and you're

650
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: peeking in the backfield and you throw it into the

651
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: side like that's just not his role in that you

652
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: get a little bit further down, maybe like a Tyler

653
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: Tyler Davis from Clemson could fit that mold, Justin Rodgers

654
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: from Auburn, you know, Keith Randolph from Illinois. But now

655
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: we're talking about day three guys. So it's just a

656
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: this is this is ultimately why I tend to put

657
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: Devandre Sweat a little bit higher in mock drafts than

658
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: I feel like he should be drafted. I tend to

659
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: put him like early mid second round, just because he

660
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: not only is he a uniquely sized individual, he's pretty

661
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: unique in this class. There's just a lot of pass

662
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: rush defensive tackles. There's not a lot of those guys

663
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 4: who are going to take on two blocks on the

664
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. So if you want one, you might

665
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: have to pay a premium and draft them a little

666
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: bit earlier than maybe you'd want. So it is a

667
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: great question. Unfortunately, I just don't think there's a lot

668
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: of answers in this class before you get to somewhere

669
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: on Day three, and then at that point you're kind

670
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: of taking a flyer on him.

671
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Anyways, all right, there we go some great information. Tyler

672
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: did you have any last questions here? I should ask

673
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: that first.

674
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: I guess, Oh that was it. I got to finish

675
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: off to do love to see it travel.

676
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: This has been great man listeners here.

677
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: If you are not following Trevor listening to this podcast,

678
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: I strongly encourage.

679
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: You to do that. Of course. It is mock draft season.

680
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: PFF just introduced a new feature on the simulator, which

681
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: is I love. They get to control the consensus board.

682
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: If you want more of the general consensus board instead

683
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: of just PFFS, you can use that. It's a It's

684
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: a great simulator, in my opinion, best simulator out there.

685
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: So Charvor, thanks so much for joining us. Man. Well,

686
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: we'll be in touch soon.

687
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: All right, appreciate you guys anytime.

688
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll take a quick break and that

689
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: we'll be right back here. All right, Tyler, any final

690
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: thoughts there about our interview. It is a great discussion today,

691
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: lots of trade talk obviously, but any final thoughts there.

692
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: Please, Cardinals house on Marvin Harrison Junior.

693
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.

694
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: And Chargers don't do that. Take Marvin Harrison Junior. That's

695
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: that's that's the dreamer now, there you go easy, Yeah, yeah,

696
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: for sure. Man, it's a it's gonna be very interesting.

697
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: We're coming up on a little over a month away

698
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: from the draft, which is crazy to me, wrapping up

699
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: free and seeing things like that. So it's gonna be

700
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: a ton of fun. We'll have you guys covered a

701
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: lot more draft conversations here on this channel as well

702
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: as our own channel over the next few weeks. That

703
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: being said, we wanted to essentially put a bow on

704
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: the Keenan Allen conversation. And I know that there are

705
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: some people who have already moved on and more power

706
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: to you, but in our own way, we wanted to

707
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: express our gratitude for Keenan Allen and the efforts that

708
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: he has given the Chargers over the last decade. It's

709
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: been a long time and been some great memories. So

710
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some more of the positive memories.

711
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: The lasting legacy of Keenan Allen in the Chargers' uniforms.

712
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't say powder blues because they were primarily Navy

713
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: for a little bit there, but Keenan Allen obviously leaving

714
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: a lasting legacy with the Chargers here. Can't thank him

715
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: enough for the lasting memories. And I know, Tyler, you've

716
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: talked a bit about what he means to your fandom.

717
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've necessarily shared my own

718
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: store with Keenan Allen because I was on an LDS

719
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: church mission in Mexico during his rookie season and his

720
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: sophomore season, and so I didn't get to watch those seasons.

721
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: I didn't get to watch the great Denver game where

722
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: he hurtles over and scores a touchdown.

723
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: And I need to just get these emails from my dad.

724
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: Hey, you got to see this Keenan Allen guy when

725
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: you come back from your mission, like you know. And

726
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: so I come home and the Chargers were not very good.

727
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: There was all the moving stuff, and so like I

728
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: just latched on to Keenan and like what he meant

729
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: to the team alongside with Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates

730
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: was still on the anti team all the time, and

731
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: so you know, it just is it's just a guy

732
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: that you kind of gravitate towards. He's always been that player.

733
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: And he kept me, you know, not that I was

734
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: ever going to leave. Obviously, he wants a fan, always

735
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: a fan, but he just kind of kept me coming

736
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: back wanting for more for the Charters and that was

737
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: unfortunately the couple of seasons where he gets injured and

738
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: things like that. So it's just, you know, Keenan is

739
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: the guy that kept me glued to the Chargers alongside

740
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers. And I'll always be grateful for what he

741
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: has meant to the team and the effort, the moments,

742
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: the positivity, the vibes, everything that he brought to the

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: squad is just He's just a player that I'll always remember.

744
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: I'll tell my kids, my grandkids, you know, in the

745
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 2: future one day about how awesome it was to watch

746
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: the prime of Keenan Allen and what he meant to

747
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: the Chargers.

748
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, Keenan Allen was really the soul of the Chargers.

749
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 5: And I think other players have been the heart or

750
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 5: the engine that gets the team going. That it really

751
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: felt like Slayer was the soul there was. It was

752
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 5: his personality, it was his musicality, it was his competitiveness,

753
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 5: his connection with his teammates, his his playfulness, you know,

754
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 5: old fam that's rad, you know, all that sort of stuff.

755
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: So good, and you know, he'll always be immortalized for

756
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 5: the rot running, right, and that's what makes him special.

757
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 5: But what made him great was everything else that included,

758
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 5: like blocking in the run game. I mean, Tyree Wilson

759
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: is six six, two seventy and Keenan Allen sent him

760
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: back to Texas Tech. You know, go watch the Bengals game.

761
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: I think it was fourth and one. There's a play

762
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: where Keenana lines up behind the center or the hip

763
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: pocket of the center because he's gonna block the linebacker

764
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: at the next level like a full back to make

765
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 5: sure they convert, you know, Like he's just he's even

766
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: the guy I think this past season where the Chargers

767
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 5: practice was over, but they needed a corner out there,

768
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 5: so He's like, Okay, I'll go get out there after

769
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 5: running my own routes with Herbert and I'll go run

770
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: corner against Mike Williams and against Josh Palmer and make

771
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 5: everybody better. Like, yes, he'll always be remembered for the

772
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: route running. That's what he's known for. That's his thing.

773
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: But I just appreciate so much and what makes him

774
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 5: special is truly everything else about him, that the soul

775
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 5: that he was, what he meant for the Chargers tough

776
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: to tough to see him.

777
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: Go for sure.

778
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

779
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: I think back to my first time coming down to

780
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: training camp when the Chargers moved to LA back in

781
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: twenty seven seventeen, and I was just in awe of

782
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: like seeing that guy in person and running the routes

783
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: and just working on his craft. And and I think

784
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 2: that particular day that I was there, he stayed after

785
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: for like a half hour just working on a new

786
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: concept with Philip Rivers and everything like that. And it's just,

787
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of stuff is infectious, and we've

788
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: seen that, you know, bleed into how Josha Palmer has

789
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: approached his game in particular. And I look at his

790
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: examples towards all of those other guys, and he's talked

791
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: about it like that's how it was when he came

792
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: into the league with Stevie Johnson and Eddie Royle and

793
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: the examples that they left to him, and he felt

794
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: that he.

795
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Needed to be that guy, you know.

796
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: He he it would have been easy for him to

797
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: not take Mike Williams, Josh Palmer, and Quentin Johnson under

798
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: his wing, to say, hey, like I'm the alpha here,

799
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: like you'd better just fall in line. But he was

800
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: always willing to give his extra time and running on

801
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: routes and like all the micd up clips of like

802
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer Quenton, even like a Jeremy Davis. I remember

803
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: like going up to Keenan, like asking him about routes

804
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 2: and things like that back in the day.

805
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: So it's just it's it's everything.

806
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: Of course the production certainly does does not do harm there,

807
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: but it's everything that Keenan.

808
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Was as a player.

809
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he's ever gonna watch this,

810
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: probably not, but Keenan, man, sincerely, thank you for everything

811
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: that you gave to the franchise.

812
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: We will always remember you.

813
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: That being said, Tyler, if you had to pick one moment,

814
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: one game that kind of, you know, epitomizes the Keenan

815
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: Allen experience, which would you kind of point to.

816
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: Oh boy, you should give me forty five minutes to

817
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 5: talk about it. I think I'll end up giving several

818
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 5: star Yeah, yeah, no kidding, now I've already done that.

819
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 5: I will start with one that comes to mind, which

820
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 5: isn't even a catch or wasn't a catch that counted,

821
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: I should say, his rookie season, they traveled to Washington

822
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: and he runs a route and he gets called for

823
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: offensive pass interference. He didn't touch the defender, but the

824
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 5: defensive back went so far the other direction that the

825
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: ref thought that he must of committed offensive past interference.

826
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 5: That's just how good Keenan was as a route runner

827
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 5: that he would get called for offensive past interference without

828
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 5: ever touching the defensive back.

829
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's a good one.

830
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: Seeing the clip one hundred times, it never gets old,

831
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, I think recency biased. The ten thousand yard

832
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: catch was was amazing. One of the best catches you know,

833
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: we can ever say that we've seen in and Keenan

834
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: was never really like a big circus catch guy, but

835
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: that one, that one definitely stands out. You know, again,

836
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: just the moment, probably the coolest way to reach ten

837
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: thousand yards of any player in NFL history. But I think,

838
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: like still to this day, one of my favorite Keenan

839
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: Allen games was the Thanksgiving game against the Dallas Cowboys. Again,

840
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: that was his first season, like coming back from the

841
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: ACL and the kidney and everything like that, and there

842
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: were still a lot of doubters about Keenan, you know,

843
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: in his ability to be an elite receiver, and that

844
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: was kind of his not launching point because he was

845
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: already that for us, right, but that was him reminding

846
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: people like, hey, like I'm about this life. And just

847
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: the way that he dominated that game, I'll never forget.

848
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: And I think also because I was at a Thanksgiving

849
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: holiday celebration with other Cowboys fans, so some of my

850
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: family members are Cowboys fans, you know, the most popular

851
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: team in Utah growing up. So watching that game, watching

852
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: Keenan just torched the Cowboys with Cowboys fans on Thanksgiving,

853
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: That's always gonna be something that I will remember and

854
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: appreciate for Keenan Outen.

855
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, love that one. Loved the hurdle as you said

856
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 5: in Mile High, that was great. Love the game with

857
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers against the Packers where it feels like he

858
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: had twenty catches in the first half. The great catch

859
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 5: against the Ravens that he actually ended up suffering the

860
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: kidney injury because of it, but the catch was awesome.

861
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: So many plays I think in terms of games, I

862
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 5: guess I can also talk about like his literally his

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Speaker 5: best game ever, which was recently against the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 5: This past season was awesome for Keenan Allen. He thinks

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Speaker 5: it was his best season and that's one of those

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Speaker 5: games where you go, yeah, that probably was your best

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Speaker 5: season because he had eighteen catches, two hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 5: yards and a forty nine yard passing touchdown to Mike Williams.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just set record after record and threw almost

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Speaker 5: a fifty yard bomb on top of it. It was

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Speaker 5: an awesome game and they needed him. The Chargers absolutely

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Speaker 5: needed to win that game. They had not won the

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Speaker 5: previous two games, and they were going to blitz like crazy,

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Speaker 5: So a lot of cover zero, a lot of you know,

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00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 5: sending their corners on an island, and Keen Alan went

876
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: okay and caught eighteen passes and just absolutely torched the

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Speaker 5: Vikings that day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The last one, and I think for me is that

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00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: pass that catch moment from the Dolphins game a couple

881
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: of seasons ago, where everybody knew that Justin Ever was

882
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Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball to Keenan Allen and it did

883
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: not matter.

884
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Speaker 1: He just pinned it right on him.

885
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Speaker 2: Keen ran a great route, got the first down, went down,

886
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Speaker 2: and won the game.

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Speaker 1: That was a cool moment.

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Speaker 2: I don't think people really will, like maybe Chargers fans will,

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: but outsiders, I don't think they'll really appreciate how difficult

890
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: it must be for a guy like Keenan to go

891
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: from Philip Rivers, who you have this like amazing connection

892
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: with right like mentally you're just on that mine mold,

893
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: and then do that again, Like we've never really seen that. Like,

894
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: of course there's like Davante and Aaron Rodgers and things

895
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: like that, but usually when that guy goes to another quarterback,

896
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: it just kind of takes a minute and it just

897
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: kind of never really comes together at the same level.

898
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: But right in Justin Herbert's first start, you know, Keene

899
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Speaker 2: Allen runs a deep over route Tyron Matthew, the Honeymatgers

900
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: trailing right underneath, and Justin Herbert just trusted and he

901
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: threw it right at the perfect spot. And that was

902
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: just kind of the beginning of beautiful romance over the

903
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: over the last four seasons. So it's something that will

904
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: go underappreciated, just the ability to mind meld with Rivers

905
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: and then mine med with Herbert into the.

906
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Next era of charges football. It was truly a treat

907
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: to watch.

908
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 5: How about just being consistent with different offensive coordinators and

909
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 5: play caller since twenty thirteen, we were talking Mike McCoy

910
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: and Frank Reich and Can wizen Hunt and Anthony Lenne

911
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: is your next coach, Can wizen Hunt again, Shane Stike In,

912
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 5: Joe Lombardi, Kellen Moore, And it's like, sure, you want

913
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: a thousand yards and six touchdowns as an automatic guarantee,

914
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Speaker 5: especially that six touchdown part that was that was a

915
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 5: fun streak for a bit there where he just could

916
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 5: not get for six touchdowns.

917
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

918
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Speaker 2: So it is gonna be a little weird obviously watching

919
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: him in a different uniform new Chargers era. For sure,

920
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: excited to see how that comes to fruition the vision

921
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Speaker 2: that the Chargers have for him. But we wanted to

922
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: do right by Keenan and be able to talk about

923
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Speaker 2: some of his best moments because he deserves it, and

924
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: I know that, like there's a lot of talk recently

925
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: about his legacy and like what he means to the

926
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Speaker 2: franchise and and you know, all due respect to guys

927
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Speaker 2: who played and who are in the Hall of Fame

928
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: who played back in the day, Lance Alworth and Charlie Joyner,

929
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 2: those guys of course, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd.

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Speaker 1: To me, Keenan Allen.

931
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Speaker 2: Has the most receptions of any Chargers wide receiver, he

932
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: has the most yards of any Charges wide receiver. He

933
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: was the most consistently great in his job of any

934
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Speaker 2: Chargers wide receiver. So for me, best receiver in franchise history.

935
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Speaker 2: Probably not on the Mount Rushmore for Chargers legends, because

936
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Speaker 2: you have Junior seou Lt and obviously Antonio Gates, who

937
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: are you know, arguably the best players ever at some

938
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Speaker 2: of their positions. So it's a bit tough for Keenan's

939
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: to get on that Mount Rushmore. But I think, unequivocally

940
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: for me, best receiver in franchise history, top ten player

941
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: in franchise history, when all of a sudden done, number thirteen.

942
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Speaker 1: Should be retired by the team in my opinion going forward.

943
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely could see that.

944
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Speaker 5: I don't think he makes Mount Rushmore, like you said,

945
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Speaker 5: at least not yet. Obviously, this is not the end

946
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Speaker 5: of a career. Who we have no idea how many

947
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 5: more years he could play. Could be one more year,

948
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Speaker 5: it could be three more years, could be five more years.

949
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 5: Who knows what we'll see a long that goes for

950
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 5: I think I'll put in respect where like all Worth

951
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: and Joiner and then Winslow, not ass maybe O'Neill as well,

952
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: considering how many sacks he has for the team. Sure,

953
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 5: maybe put I put him in like the same conversation.

954
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 5: How much further he goes in the rankings of in

955
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 5: Chargers history as kind of depends on how he does

956
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: the next few seasons. But yeah, he's definitely in that

957
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: conversation as one of the best Charges of all time.

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Speaker 2: I think that fourth spot is probably one of the quarterbacks,

959
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: depending on how you feel about versus rivers.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's probably the consensus.

961
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Speaker 2: Top five is is say out Gates, Tommentson, and then

962
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Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the top five.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think Keenan Allen has a legitimate

965
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Speaker 2: argument to be in the top ten at.

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Speaker 3: Least I would agree.

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Speaker 1: Great guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tyler, any final thoughts about Keenan or the

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Speaker 2: draft or whatever before we hop off for the day.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've done enough mock drafts. Man, I'm gonna

971
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Speaker 3: go tick an up.

972
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Speaker 1: And then you're gonna wake up and do a mock draft.

973
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're gonna say?

974
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Speaker 3: Don't tell them exactly what my albums are.

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Speaker 5: We talk about this in confidence. I have an issue,

976
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Speaker 5: Keep that to yourself, keep that between us.

977
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Speaker 2: I gotcha, I gotcha. All right, guys, thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for tuning in. As always, make sure like, subscribe, comment

979
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Speaker 2: all that good stuff, Make sure and watch all the

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Speaker 2: great coverage that the Charge have of free agency and

981
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Speaker 2: things like that. Matt money Smith and Chris Harry will

982
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Speaker 2: be on this channel obviously later this week, so be

983
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Speaker 2: sure and tune into them, throw a like and subscribe

984
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Speaker 2: over on our own channel to the Guilty of Charge podcast,

985
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Speaker 2: and thanks to Tyler, thanks to Trevor, thanks to Greg

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Speaker 2: Kimp for producing, Thanks to the Charger for having us

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Speaker 2: and that's need for us today.

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Speaker 1: As always, hold time