WEBVTT - ITS Home Edition: Finneas 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.440 Welcome to Inside the Studio presented by I Heart Radio. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm your host Joe Leady. Okay, So, if anybody is 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.680 the ultimate guest for the home edition of the show, 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.000 which is all about letting you know how the pandemic 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.840 has impacted the lives of artists and how it's affecting 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.360 the way they make music, it has got to be Phineas. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.400 After all, he and his sister Billie Eilish made her 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.320 album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.479 literally in his bedroom, and that is one of the 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.320 most important and most successful albums of like the last 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.080 ten years. But it's not just the whole idea of 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.239 staying at home and staying creative that Phineas has a 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.080 lot to tell us about right now. His recent single 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.760 what They'll Say About Us is a real reflection of 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.560 this moment. During racial justice protests marches in Los Angeles 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.200 this summer, he imagined himself explaining what was going on 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:09.600 to someone laying in a hospital bed fighting COVID. As 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.680 he tells our quarantine correspondent Jordan Runtog, he sees optimism 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.560 as being aware of the bad stuff that's happening around 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.679 you and making a choice to stay positive, and Phineus 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.080 also has a lot to say about taking a Sudoku 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.760 approach to writing a James Bond theme, working on Billy's 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.000 second album, and working on his own. So if you 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.880 enjoy this episode, be sure to check out the I 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.800 Heart Radio podcast that Jordan's hosts, which is called Rivals 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.040 Music's Greatest Feuds and which is available wherever you get 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:51.600 your podcasts. Hello everyone, my name is Jordan Runtalg but 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.920 enough about me. My guest today has won multiple Grammys, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.000 co written the Bond theme, and acted on a hit 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.560 TV show, and he did it all before turning twenty three. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.360 You probably know him for his collaborations with his sister 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.360 Billie Eilish. He's also overseen hits for JP Sacks, Ash, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.360 Selena Gomez, Toblow, and Halsey, to name but a few. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.040 Last fall, he dropped a solo EP, Blood Harmony, and 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:14.839 now he has a new single called what They'll Say 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.360 About Us. The song is his way of processing the 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.600 tumult of a year unlike any other. I'm so happy 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:25.040 to welcome Phineas. Phineas, how are you? I'm good? It's 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.000 it's been raining ash in Los Angeles I don't know 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.639 where where you're calling me from, but it's been just 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.160 it looks like your Blood Harmony cover. Really I wish 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.680 it was that pretty. It's it's just this kind of 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:42.240 smoky gray, very depressing and sort of alarming. But like 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.880 we've been indoors, a lot of people have been comparing 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.440 the weather to like Blade Runner, like all the orange 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.760 skies and Blade Runner, and my girlfriend was like, I 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.320 don't think i've ever seen later. Well, then let's watch 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.040 Blade Runner. So we watched we like on Friday, we 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.320 had nothing to do and we just marathon. Like both 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.520 Blade Runner movies, the first one and then the one 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.200 that came out. They're so good. They are so good. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.440 But it definitely I can imagine like living in it 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.880 right now probably like inhibitor ability to enjoy them to 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.440 some extent. You're like, it's too bad. The future isn't 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.560 that cool Like we have like we have like all 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.200 the pollution and like not any flying cars. Somebody dropped 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.400 the ball on that. I know the first Blade Runner 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.040 takes place in and they're like flying around and uh, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.800 we're not rocking that yet, so like back to the 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.400 future to also let us down when back to the 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:37.600 future too took place in or something. Yeah, we blew it. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.720 I know, man, It's actually kind of sweet because it 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.000 just means that people were very optimistic. Yeah, that would 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.240 be like if we were like, what would the example 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.960 be if we were like, yeah, we will have stopped 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.960 climate change by two thousand and twenty two, Like, I 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.400 wish we were that proficiently. That's kind of where I 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.040 want to start with you. I mean, this year must 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.360 be so insane for you for so many reason. I 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.720 mean you go from sweeping the Grammy's performing at the 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.560 Oscars to like six weeks later being confined to your home. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.000 I mean, what was what was that adjustment? Like it 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.760 was like, you know, whip lash. It was super weird. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.720 I mean, you know, on one hand, I think, like, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.160 I feel very privileged to have had a very enjoyable 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.120 first two months of the year before everything kind of 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.400 like collapsed in on itself. The lucky thing is that 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.839 in if I'm lucky enough to live this long twenty 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.400 years from now, I will be like looking back at 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.039 two thousand and I'll be like, yeah, that was a 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.279 weird period. But obviously, like these these seminal moments in 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.479 my life also took place that year, And aren't I lucky? 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.480 I don't think I'll remember only the terrible things, which 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.680 obviously there are so many terrible things to remember. So yeah, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.080 I feel very lucky. And uh and you know what, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.719 like on another very selfish level, like at least we 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.520 had been touring the world for you know, three years 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.680 straight when everything came to a halt. I think if 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.040 we were only just starting it would be very devastating. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.440 At least we know what it's like and we what 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.880 we have to look forward to in you know, a 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.840 year or so time, when you know, maybe it's safe 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.720 to go play Arenas again. But yeah, I mean it's 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.880 it sucks. I mean we you know, we love touring. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.360 We love traveling. It's it's one of our favorite things 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.839 in the world. So it's pretty torturous to not get 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.600 to do that with most of the people have in 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.520 the show. I ask, you know, well, you're in lockdown. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.839 How's how's working from home been like affected your creative process? 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.280 It must be so different, But I imagine for you 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.880 it's probably not the biggest change in the world. No, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.640 it's been I mean, like, to be totally honest, it's 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.400 been like in terms of like making Billy's second album 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.280 making my first album. It's been awesome, you know, Like 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.040 I know that's kind of crazy to say, but like 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.000 there's no way we'd be writing and recording as much 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.960 this year otherwise. So I'm trying to look at it 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:48.640 like I'm kind of trying to look at it like 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.200 we have this thing that no artist ever gets. Basically, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.760 here's the deal. Every artist makes the first album, and 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.400 then if it's successful, they tour it into oblivion, and 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.120 then there's somehow it's affected to like have made album 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.360 two in that time, which is just kind of crazy. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.440 I mean, our version of that was that we made 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.039 the James Bond song on tour. But it's like we 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.560 have this crazy luxury of like having this amount of 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.760 time off after the first album that I think almost 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.159 no artist gets anymore. So I'm kind of like I'm 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.520 playing like mind games with myself where I'm like, as 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.159 soon as there is a vaccine and everything can start 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.000 up again, like you're you're never going to get a 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.359 break ever again, because everyone's going to be trying to 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.160 make up for two years within the span of like 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.760 six months. So I'm kind of like pretending this is 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.840 like some short term forced hiatus or something where we're 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.919 just like, we have to make this next record, and 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.320 I'm really enjoying making it. I'm loving all the songs 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.800 we're writing, and it's really fun. So you feeling productive. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.560 That's good. And I feel like I know people on 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.320 both sides of that, they're there like I'm just really 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.000 on it, or it's like I can barely get out 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.680 of bed. Please don't make me do an entirely. It's 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.560 it's it's day by day. I should remind you that. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.240 Earlier in this call, I admitted to watching both played 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.120 in the movie on Friday, and I also that same 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.559 day I watched like an hour and a half behind 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.440 the scenes of the Social Network, and also I watched 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.760 an episode of The Boys. So it was like, you know, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.680 there there are days where I am super prolific, and 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.680 then there are days where I watched like three movies 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.400 You Gotta, You Gotta, you Know, Prime, The Pump, I Guess, EBB, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.840 and Flow. Yeah, Well, tell me about your new song. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.040 What they'll say about us? It seems you know, I 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.200 got a lot of hope in that song, which is 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.120 not something we we get a lot of this year. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.680 You know, Um, that's definitely what I was aiming for. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.800 I think, I think, I mean, there are other songs 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:35.360 that may never see the light of day that I 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.880 wrote during this that are just dirges. They're just like bleak, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.600 this sucks, you know, that's kind of the m O. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.720 And I think the reason I felt so proud of 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.320 this song was I I wrote it during the Black 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.440 Lives Matter protests in June, and I was like going 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.280 to them, and it was like it was like the 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.880 only thing that I could justify going out and doing. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.560 Like I still haven't been out to like eat at 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.560 a restaurant or anything. It just seems too too irresponsible. 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.320 I see my family, my parents are in their sixties whatever. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:03.440 But I was like, you know what, I have to 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.920 go to these protests and and if if that jeopardizes 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.400 my health, I'll, you know, I'll quarantine for two weeks whatever, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.080 I'll take the hit because these protests are important, and 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.760 whenever I go to protests, I feel really hopeful. Gone 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.480 to marches my whole life. In l A. We've marched 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.040 against the Iraq War, and we went to the Women's 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.200 March in the March for our Lives in Boston, and 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.520 the marches make me feel really good because you're like 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.720 marching down the street with all these people who agree 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.160 with you. And I think the Internet at its best 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.679 is like this empathy machine where we see people, you know, suffering, 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.200 and we feel bad for them even though we don't 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.000 know them. And it's worse, it's this like divisive division 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.960 where we're like just seeing everybody that disagrees with us 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.319 about everything, and it's you're just like, oh my god, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.080 how do I disagree so fundamentally with this person that 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.680 otherwise isn't that different than I am. We grew up 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.640 in the same place, you know. It's kind of crazy. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.920 So anyway, protests make me feel really good. And I 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.640 had come home and I sort of started this thing, 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.160 this this kind of hopeful pace. But at the same time, 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.920 I was following Amanda Clutz, who's the wife of Nick Cordero, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.320 who at the time was dying of COVID in the 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.640 hospital or dying of you know whatever they call it, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.120 complications due to COVID, where his lungs had been obliterated 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.680 by the virus, And so I was like singing kind 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.880 of in the vein of like maybe maybe he's gonna 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.120 be okay, and like, wouldn't that be great? And if 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.680 you were the loved one of a person who was 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:25.439 lying in a hospital bed and you were kind of 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.280 explaining all the protests and everything, you know what you 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.920 might say, And so that was kind of the nut 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.960 of that song, and then everything beyond that was was 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.520 just sort of like trying to be as self aware 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.680 of it as possible. I find I find some songs 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.760 that are like optimistic sort of hard to take. So 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.360 there's like a line in the second verse that's like 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.120 if I say a cliche because I mean it, and 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.160 I think that's like the whole kind of nature of 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.640 a song like that is like you are saying this 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.800 thing that might seem a little bit foolhardy or a 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.080 little bit like blind, but it's like I think, I 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.720 think to be optimistic is to be aware of negative 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.560 things that are happening and to be like, you know what, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.160 I'm still gonna be hopeful and I'm still gonna like 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.800 root for us. I have not yet resorted to nihilism, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.880 which is the next the next state. Everyone treats twenty 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.679 like it's this bad year I'm one is the nihilist 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.320 year that's like the year where we're all just like, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.199 never mind, it's never gonna go away, And you performed 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.760 that the d n C in August. I mean that 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.320 must be an incredible thing to to lend your voice to, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.120 you know, it was. We saw it as a good 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.280 opportunity to throw weight. You know. I think this is 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.920 a really important election, and I think anybody who doesn't 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.719 think this is an important election is is privileged to 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.240 not paying much attention. And we were just like, we'd 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.600 love to make whatever small amount of difference we can 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.000 try to make would be useful. I think we were 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.880 just like the option of like looking back at this 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.520 period and having done nothing is like very grim to me. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.160 So how do you balance with all this going and 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.640 being so aware what's going on in the world. How 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.800 do you how do you find a good work life 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.520 balance in the midst of all that. I know that 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.480 sounds like a very sort of trite question, but I 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.559 think it's something a lot of people are dealing it. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.000 It's super hard. I've like put those like app limits 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.199 on my phone of like the Instagram, Twitter, social media, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.360 like screen time limits where your phone just kind of 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.120 like shuts you out, and I that's a struggle, you know, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.640 I think I think it's really challenging. The thing that 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.560 I try to remind myself is that, in my specific case, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.800 my work is the thing that brings me fulfillment, right, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.760 writing songs, producing them, that makes me feel really good 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.920 looking at the news cycle. Although I think it is important, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.720 it doesn't make me feel good at all. My joke, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.520 and I haven't even tweeted this, but like, you know 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.400 how on Twitter there's like the categories in the app 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.240 of like COVID related sports entertainment, right, so I don't 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.679 know if you've checked, maybe yours is different. But the 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.040 fun tab on Twitter, there's like a fun section. It 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.120 has one thing right now, and it's like and it's 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.599 not even that fun. The thing is like, let me 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.800 pull it up, it's like bizarre. You're just like, this 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.280 isn't even fun here. I'm opening it really quick. Okay, 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.800 So the fun tab, it's like three three things and 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.840 one of them is just imagine explaining these things from 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.559 two people living in nineteen and I'm like, that's not fun. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.520 That's not fun. It's still dark anyway. So I just 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.760 try to get off the apps as much as I 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.600 can because the stuff that brings me joy is like 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.079 going on walks with my friends and hanging out with 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.960 my girlfriend and the stuff I can do safely that 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.960 feels very like connected social media, even though it's important, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.559 it's like, does not make me feel very good. I 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.520 don't think I know anyone who makes them feel really good. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.600 I know. I think the issue is that it is 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.600 a little bit like a nicotine addiction, where it gives 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.800 you some dope amine. Like you go on, you see 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.280 some likes, you see some nice comments, and so you're 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.080 like wow, like I'm I am loved and valued, and 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.400 then it's like you just spiral off into like looking 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.040 at terrible articles about the whole West Coast burning down. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.040 So it's it's a tricky balance, right, you don't want 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.000 to turn a blind diet of problems, but you also 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.520 don't want to ruin your own life by observing it's 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.320 not actually constructive to look at something negative happening in 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.960 the world on your Twitter unless you're then going to 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.280 like do something about it, Right, I try to look 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:58.880 at it that way. It's like, all right, I can 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.040 I can indulge in this weird habit of like looking 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.480 at terrible news as long as I then plan on 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:20.800 instilling some form of change. Well, you're working on so 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.760 many things right now. Does what they'll say about us 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.560 mean that there's a full length LP on the way 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.040 coming from you soon. There's definitely it's on the way. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.360 I mean it's I'm I'm working on it all the time. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.280 It was sort of like, um, if I had to answer, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.000 I would imagine that that song will play a role 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.480 in the album. I don't think the album is far 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.040 enough away that it would not fit on the album. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.480 I think it will be there. But I didn't want 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.200 to like announce a record or release date with that 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:46.079 song because I felt like I wanted to just let 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.240 that song exist because I really believe in that song, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.120 and I think, like I think sometimes when you announce 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.640 a single with a record, it's like people are just like, 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.200 oh my god, like there's a record coming. And also 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.360 I'm not actually done with a record. I'm like working 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.440 on the songs all the time, but have lots of 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.000 work to do. I've always been so fascinated by the 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.440 unusual sounds in your records, you know, like a lit 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.360 match is a snare, dentist rill, or like an Australian Crosswalk, Beep, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.680 and bad Guy. What is your process for incorporating those? 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.640 Do you have like an arsenal of cool sounds and 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.600 tape loops that you draw from, or do you hear 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.160 a sound in your head that you know you want 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.240 and you just start experimenting with what's around you. Totally both. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:26.880 It just depends on the situation. I'm always looking for inspiration, right, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.560 I think one of the issues with you know, the 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.040 more music you make is the more things you think 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:37.520 you've covered, And anything that reinspires me is really exciting. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.480 You know. It's like this is a weird example, but 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.560 like so so watch the sound of like the song 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.440 of the match Sticks. Like that song is like a 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.600 C chord and an F chord and a minor chord 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.160 and an F chord, and like those are chords that 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.880 like I have written so many songs with those chords 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.640 that they are they do not carry inspiration for me anymore. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.680 And you chuck the match sticks in there, and it's 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.240 very cool and inspiring to me, and I think that's like, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.280 That's what I'm always going for. It's just like something 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.040 to reinspire. Have you ever heard of Pink Floyd's Household 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.280 Objects project. Yeah, I thought that was a really cool project. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.280 I haven't done it, but I thought it was like 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.760 really smart. Yeah, it's like because I think that was 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.880 followed Dark Side of the Moon too, so it's almost 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.280 like a similar position where Okay, we we did what 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.680 we set out to do a thousand times over, beyond 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.760 the wildest dreams and then finding inspiration in the in 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.160 the every day. It's fascinating. I was joking with my 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.640 dad because I'm I'm really proud of the second album 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.800 that we're working on with Billy Um And I was 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.080 talking to my dad and I was like, but I'm like, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.720 we're supposed to do this every time, Like are we 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.080 supposed to make like a really good album, like over 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.720 and over? Like it's so hard. But you know, I 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.240 think that's it's about reinspiring yourself and it's about growing 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.160 as a person. Like it's a funny thing that people 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.720 level this criticism of like my favorite artists have changed, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.800 because it's like, what the what on earth could they 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.200 expect you to do as an artist other than change? 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.200 That's I mean, that's it's such a funny criticism that 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.600 people Yeah, I don't really understand that. I I mean listen 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.120 to every Beatles album post nineteen sixty four, and it 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.880 sounds completely different than the one before it. Yeah, I 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.840 know they're so different. I do understand that if you 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.000 are a fan of a record, that doesn't mean that 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.800 you're going to be a fan of someone else's record 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.800 if it's a very different record. But it's like that's 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.280 how music is supposed to work, Like you kind of 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.280 have to make music for yourself and then whoever likes 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.600 it will like it. God, if I were always trying 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.840 to cater to like one listener, like, I wouldn't have 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.600 made like half the songs I'm proud of because I 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.320 would have just been like second guessing them, been like, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.400 oh my god, they're not gonna like this. So I 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.200 think it's a it's a double edged sword because obviously 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.040 we're all as artists, like very indebted to whoever listens 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:42.920 to our music, and that's why we have a career. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:44.800 But it's also like I think of this in terms 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.360 of like food in a certain way. If I only 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.040 ever ate stuff, I already like I'd never try anything 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.600 new that's great, and it's like I feel like that's 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.240 that's the best. And you go to a new restaurant 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.520 and you try something, You're like, I have no idea 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:57.760 how that's going to be, and you try, like, oh 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.200 my god, it's amazing. And and I think that's like 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.120 what I always aimed to do as a musician, is 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.800 like give someone something they didn't even know they wanted. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.400 And I assume being in your position now, having one, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.480 you know, all the Grammys, you have all sorts of 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.480 resources open to you that you might not have before. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.320 I mean, you could have a wall of melotrons or 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.399 a string section or you know, whatever you want. Do 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.840 you have any desire to vastly expand your sonic paletin anyway? 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.560 Or did you feel like you have everything you need 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.200 with your laptop and you know, logic tools or whatever. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.800 So I spent a considerable amount of money this year 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.560 on like instruments and microphones that I couldn't afford before. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.560 And I think you know what I would say to 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.200 like any young listener who's like I, I record my 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.160 own vocals on a microphone called a Chandler Red now, 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.679 which I really like. And my my buddy yesterday was like, 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.000 I gotta get a new microphone. I was like, you 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.480 should get a Chandler Red and he was like, I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.760 was thinking get in the TLM one O three and 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.320 I was like, well, that's that. Mike's fine, and he 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.439 was like, didn't you record all of Billy's album on 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.119 that mike? And I was like yeah. I was like, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.200 it's a great mike. I was like, I'm just telling 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.160 the other one's even better. And he was like, right, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.960 but it doesn't matter, and I was like, no, it's absolute, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.919 really doesn't matter. It's just it's a very selfish purchase, right, 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.760 It's like I enjoy it. But yes, in the last 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.080 several months, I've I've acquired really sort of more mostly 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.880 before COVID, but um, I've acquired like some really nice 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.479 mix and some cool vintage sense and stuff and like, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.679 to be honest, I don't know how to feel about this, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.919 but I still like largely am using like built in 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.040 software on my computer because it's fast and I'm usually 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.800 looking for speed. But it is really fun, and again, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.160 it's like it's the inspiration that I'm looking for. I'm 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.840 not like a super like analog verse digital like convert. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.000 I think digital sounds pretty great. I have a couple 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.760 of sins. I have this thing called an ace tone. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.200 You know, I play that and it inspires me a lot. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.920 And you know, in making a second album and then 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.399 making my own first album, like I'm I love being 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.840 reinspired by things, um and approaching things in a different way. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.080