1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Save your Protection of iHeartRadio. I'm 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Annie Reese. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: And I'm Long Vocal BAM, and today we have an 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: episode for you about sea urchin. Yes, you know, we 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: love these weird sea creatures are so. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: Weird, they're great. I know. I was stilling Lauren before 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: this A lot of times with these. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just gonna wait and see what Lauren 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: has to say about this, because I'm so I'll see terms. 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I gotta know more, but I'm gonna wait. 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: So I'm very excited as well. 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: Was there any particular reason this was on your mind? 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: This was kind of with that batch of things that 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: I was feeling really ambitious about. I was like, you know, like, 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: like what is a like like a like a protein 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: was kind of up in the rotation, and uh, we 17 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: had never done sea urchin because I had never suggested 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: it because they're real strange. I was like, that's going 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: to be a lot of work, and listener, it was 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: in fact, like like right before we started, I was like, 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: do you want to do like a short side episode 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: about just sea urchin science that I didn't have time 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: to work into this outline because there's a lot of it, 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: and I said very enthusiastically, yes, yeah, of course, yeah, 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: possibly for a different show because it doesn't have a 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: lot to do with them as a food source for humans, 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: but you know, still still hard to resist. 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: It's hard to resist, so cool. 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: I do love sea urchin, although I have to say 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that I quite realized that I had 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: it because I usually see it as uni oh sure, 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: huh and I so when I was reading this, I 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: was like, oh that, but yes, I do enjoy it 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Louren and I also were talking about this, 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: and we were discussing how terrifying they look. They do, 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: uh huh, yes, And I was seeing that. I have 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: had an experience where I was scuba diving there was 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a shark near me, but I was more afraid as 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: the sea urchins, because I was pretty sure that shark 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: was a gray nurse shark. 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: And I know a lot about gray nurse sharks, and 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: you're fine. 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. Most sharks in general want nothing to 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: do with human people. I mean, unless you're really sloshing 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: around like a food source of theirs. Their sharks are 46 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: the puppos of the sea, like for the most part. 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: You're you're you're fine. You could go up and hug 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: them if you really wanted to. I don't necessarily recommend that, but. 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: No, but yeah, I froze. 50 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: I was just floating above the sea urchins like, don't 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: move a muscle. 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I mean, they don't want this. They weren't going to 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: come after you. 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: Yes, it was just like share. They were close enough 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: afraid if I moved too much. Yeah, it wouldn't be 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: pretty for me. 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: M h. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. When we were snorkeling out in Hawaii, Uh, yeah, 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: I definitely saw some in one of the tide pools 60 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: that we were in, And yeah, I had very much 61 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: the same reaction because I did not have gloves or 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: anything on, and so I was kind of like, oh, 63 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: oh hey, buddy, Hey, I want nothing to do with you. 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: I would like you to continue doing whatever you're doing, 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: and I would like to do something very far away 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: from that like that. Yeah, just go ahead. 67 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: And yet and yet some humans somewhere at one point 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: saw them, and we're like, I. 69 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Wonder, I wonder what's in there and if I can 70 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: eat it and if it would be so delicious? Yeah, 71 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: and here we are and here we are. Yeah, I 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: will say I have very limited experience eating sea or chin. 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: They I had like a bad experience with a piece 74 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: of one once in a sushi kind of situation and 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: was off from it was very funky. I think it 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: had gone off a little bit. But uh, but then 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: I but I, but so I was reticent to try 78 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: it again in case that was just how they all are. 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, but then I had another one at a 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: very good restaurant and it was denxious. So yeah, a 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: plus which would eat again? 82 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: Excellent news. 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and you can definitely see our past episodes 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: we've done on sea creatures. 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: Some are related than others, but I would say generally 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: check about Yeah. 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess that brings us to our question, 88 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: Oh it does sea urchins? 89 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 3: What are they? 90 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: Well? 91 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: Uh? 92 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: Sea urchin meat is the gonad of male or female 93 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: animals from a number of marine species of invertebrates that 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: are easily identified by their sort of globe shape that 95 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: has a lot of spiky spines coming up off of it. 96 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: Oh that's a whole sentence. I love it, Okay, Yeah, yeah. 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: The meat is really beautiful, often bright orange yellow, like 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: like school bus yellow. Each piece will be just a 99 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: couple inches long and like an inch or so wide, 100 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: maybe three to six centimeters. The texture and taste can 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: vary a little bit, but you're basically looking at like 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: a briny, creamy, melty, slightly sweet, funky little bite. It 103 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: is often eaten raw, as in a sashimi or nagery sushi, 104 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: or it's almost like a garnish for pasta or rice dishes. 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: It's been called the fuligrave the sea. It is just 106 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: a shockingly tender and delicious thing for coming from something 107 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: that so clearly does not want to be picked up 108 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: and eaten. It's like a it's like a danger chrysanthemum 109 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: that contains these five little bites of just creamy ocean foam. 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: M hm. 111 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: I feel like it's the definition of your kind of 112 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: outwardly spiky. 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: Character, the softest. 114 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: Sweetest little, just little nibbling little inside. Yeah, you just 115 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: have to break past their spikes, you. Oh my goodness. 116 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: There There are several hundred known species of sea urchin 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: within the class kind of Idia, which encompasses two subclasses 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: and just a whole bunch of orders and genuses and species. 119 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: They are marine animals and different species and habit every 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: ocean on the planet from tropical tupolar at all kinds 121 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: of different depths. They live on the seafloor, and their 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: mouths are on the underside of their bodies, and they 123 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: scrape up bits of algae or seaweed or really anything 124 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: that moves slow enough for them to get their mouth on. 125 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: Different types have all kinds of different bodies and lifestyles 126 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: really fascinating and weird and beautiful. They're related to other 127 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: kind of like the sea cucumber, the starfish, and sand dollars. 128 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: But we are ostensibly a foodshell of all of those varieties. 129 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: We tend to eat ones from cooler waters, which are 130 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: less likely to be venomous yay, and specifically ones that 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: are commonly called the purple sea urchin, the red sea urchin, 132 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: and the green sea urchin for pretty top down obvious 133 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: color coating purposes. Yeah, there are among those two different 134 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: genuses and than within one. Yeah, two different species. But 135 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the names of them because 136 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: I don't feel like doing that today. I already have 137 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: one Latin word and that's all you get. 138 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: So that's enough. 139 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: That's it, Okay. So, because they are from from different species, 140 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to make some generalizations here, but all have 141 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: this sort of a spherical skeletal shell made of calcium carbonate, 142 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: and the shell is called a test, and I love 143 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: that terminology. That's just great. The test has these little 144 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: openings all over from which the sea urchin's tube feet 145 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: can reach out and help propel it slowly wherever it 146 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: wants to go, and then a large opening on the 147 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: underside for the mouth. If you've ever seen a sand 148 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: dollar skeleton, a sea urchin, a sea urchin's test looks 149 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: like a puffy version of that. Okay, now, okay, with 150 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: within within the mouth its jaw is in this configuration 151 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: commonly called Aristotle's lantern. This this has these five triangular 152 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: teeth that come together in a sort of beak like 153 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: five sided pyramid. Yes, this is another thing that looks 154 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: like a sarlac. Oh. Yeah, and it's actually really clever 155 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: for for grasping and grinding food. So that's on the underside. 156 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: Then on the outside, the test is covered with a 157 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: layer of skin and muscles which hold on to the 158 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: animal's many movable spines, which also can help it boop 159 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: around the ocean floor. And these spines are often brightly colored, 160 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: and they come off it just at all angles and 161 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: discourage predators. Although we are not the only ones who 162 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: enjoy eating it. Other things like lobsters and sea otters 163 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: like it too. The anus of the creature is at 164 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: the top of the shell and then along the inner 165 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: upper of the test. The animals, reproductive organs or gonads 166 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: are sitting in these sort of little sacks, five of them, 167 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: arranged in a star shape. You may have noticed that 168 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: there were five teeth. There's also five gonads. Sea urchins 169 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: have fivefold symmetry, similar to how we have twofold or 170 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: bi symmetry. Yeah, and okay, Like, if you look at 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: a cross section of a sea urchin, it looks shockingly 172 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: like the interior of the tartis that they introduced for 173 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 2: the twenty first century remount of Doctor who like the 174 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: ninth and tenth Doctor so much so that I would 175 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: be very surprised if that were not a design influence. 176 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Except the Tarti that tartist was hex based. These are 177 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: five penta penta based. Yeah. Other than that, pretty close. 178 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: That's cool. Now I won't be able and see it, 179 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure. 180 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look up, look up photos or illustrations. It's 181 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: really it's really cool. But okay, all right, uh back 182 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: back to the gonads. So uh so, the gonads are 183 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: the only particularly fleshy bit within the sea urchin. They 184 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: also helped store nutrients to keep the animals going during 185 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: lean times. But when there is a good supply of food, 186 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: usually during the warm spring and summer months, sea urchins 187 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: build up their gonads in preparation to spawn during the 188 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: colder months. But if you catch them before they use 189 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: all that potential energy to fuel the creation and release 190 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: of eggs or sperm. The gonads will be large and 191 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: fleshy and high quality, and can account for up to 192 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: a quarter of the urchin's total weight. 193 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: Wow. 194 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: So yeah, at which point they may be harvested and 195 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: kept chilled for immediate market. This means that fresh sea 196 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: urchin is a seasonal product in the northern Hemisphere. It's 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: available like late summer to early to midwinter, depending on 198 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: the specific species. When buying, look for bright color and 199 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: like a defined bumpy surface. If they look dull or 200 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: a little bit gooey, they may be past their prime. 201 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: Enthusiasts do get really into those local varieties, like the 202 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: same way that people talk about the terearoir of wine 203 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: or the flavor of like acorn fed pork products. People 204 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: talk about searechin from Hokkaido having this really special flavor 205 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: from the particular combo that it eats. Oh yeah, there's 206 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: a lot of different varieties. They can be golden yellow 207 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: to deep orange in color and range from like creamier 208 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: when they're harvested earlier in the season to almost grainy 209 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: kind of when they're harvested later. People like different things, 210 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: and yet searechin aren't really farmed. I read that about 211 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: ninety nine percent are harvested wild by either drags, which 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: are these kind of almost like chainmail bags but large 213 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: that you just sort of scrape along the seafloor to 214 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: collect the urchins, or harvested by hand by divers. There 215 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: are hatcheries working to provide environments to protect young sea 216 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: urchin until they're large enough to avoid predation by by 217 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: most animals, which usually takes like a couple years. It 218 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: can be about five years from birth before a sea 219 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: urchin is considered large enough to be marketable or hatching. 220 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: I should say they don't really, they're not really. It's 221 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: not a burst kind of kind of animal, partially because 222 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: of all of this, they can be pricey, though they 223 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: are so like rich and flavorful that a little bit 224 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: goes a long way, Like you're probably not looking to 225 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: consume more than a few pieces, even when you are 226 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: cooking with them. Speaking of yes, a sea urchin is 227 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: very popular in Japan as a sushi item, whereupon it 228 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: is known as uni and usually eaten raw, either by 229 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: itself or maybe with some sushi rice, maybe a little 230 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: bit of garnish on there. Other seaside cultures also eat 231 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: them simply raw. You can also use them themselves as 232 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: a kind of garnish on worn dishes like risotto or eggs, 233 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: or spread on toast. Maybe they can also add a 234 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: complex zing to like creamy bright pasta sauces, either blended 235 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: or whole, adding them at the end of cooking and 236 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: like just heating them through. Yeah yeah, sound so good. 237 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: I've only added in sushi, so yeah, yeah, I was 238 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: reading as per the usual. Jkeng Lopez Alt writing for 239 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: Serious Eats has like a really good basic guide to 240 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: see yourchin pasta sauces, so I recommend looking that up. 241 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: Okay, definitely, all right, Well, what about the. 242 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: Nutrition by themselves. Searchin is pretty good for you, like 243 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,479 Speaker 2: a nice punch of protein and good fats, smattering and micronutrients, 244 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: eat a vegetable. 245 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Yes, always, Well, we do have some numbers for you. 246 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: We do because se yourchin can be expensive. It's typically 247 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: like five to ten bucks per ounce, which is not cheap, 248 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: but can be like two bucks per gram, which is 249 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: like three hundredths of an ounce, like zero point zeros 250 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: zero two pounds for two dollars. 251 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: I hate converting these things. I have to say. 252 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm the one in the grocery store that's like, I 253 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: don't know why this isn't court, this is not this 254 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: is now. 255 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: Anyway, I feel like it's expensive. Yeah, it's expensive. 256 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yes. 257 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: According to one source that I found, eighty percent of 258 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: sea urchin consumption takes place in Japan. 259 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: That was as of twenty seventeen, so that might have 260 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: shifted a tiny bit, but I suspect it's still pretty 261 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: much that thing. Yeah. There is a sea urchin festival 262 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: in the south of France every March, for which some 263 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: twenty thousand sea urchins are harvested, and apparently for like 264 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: five euro you can get like a glass of white 265 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: wine and a plate of raw sea urchin with bag 266 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: at and butter. Sounds pretty good to me, right, yes, 267 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: oh heck yeah. There's also a sea urchin festival in 268 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: June that I think just started last year in California. 269 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, listeners, let us know. There is also a 270 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: sea urchin Science Center and gallery in Australia in the 271 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: Lower Blue Mountains, not at all. 272 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: Near the sea. 273 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: It's run by the world's pre eminent sea urchin taxonomist 274 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: and opened in twenty eighteen. He sounds like a fascinating dude, 275 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: like he got invited out to the research center in 276 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: Antarctica to study the sea urchins there. I yeah, and 277 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: this is just his personal collection. He was like, this 278 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: is cool. Do you guys think it's cool? Do you 279 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: want to see? Did you do you want to see 280 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: my sea urchin collection? 281 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: Cool? Yes? Oh my gosh. Should I want to know 282 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: more about that? 283 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and one last number for you. Some species 284 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: like the red sea urchin which we eat, can live 285 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: over fifty years and research has found specimens that were 286 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: over too hundred years old. Dang, yeah, all right sea urchins. 287 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they are quite old as a species. 288 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: Oh yes, and. 289 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: We will get into the history. After a quick break 290 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor. 291 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 3: And we're back. 292 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay, So yes, if 293 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: you are talking about the family that sea urchins are 294 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: a part of the fossil record indicates they go back 295 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: a stunningly long time, like impossible to comprehend for my brain. 296 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: Long sea urchins probably evolved four hundred and fifty million 297 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: years ago, so a long time. 298 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: So a minute. Yeah, the ones, the species that we 299 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: know today evolved from that older group a little more recently, 300 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: like sometime in the Triassic period, you know, just just 301 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: only two hundred to two hundred and fifty million years ago. 302 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: So so yeah, mere babes in the woods. That Aristotle 303 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: described sea urchins in the fourth century BCE, which is 304 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: where we got the term Aristotle's lantern for its mouthbits. However, interestingly, 305 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: research in Greece from like the twenty oughts showed that 306 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: he was probably referring when he said lantern. He was 307 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: probably referring to the entire skeleton or test, you know, 308 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: not just the mouthbits, because they found they totally had 309 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: similarly perforated lamps around that time. 310 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, Aristotle's lantern is such a cool name 311 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: that is at or. 312 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: Something like, oh, I mean now it is okay. 313 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Coastal areas like Peru, create Greece, and Italy have a 314 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: long history of fishing and harvesting sea urchins. 315 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 3: And I would like to come. 316 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: Back to this because we've actually talked about this a 317 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: couple of times. But yeah, for centuries, women scuba divers, 318 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: they actually free dive in Korea, trained to yes, free 319 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: dive and harvest these creatures with knives, which is not easy, 320 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: can be dangerous. 321 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: It's usually older women. Really interesting history. 322 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: Sure, because it's based on breath support and really developing 323 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: the musculature that the training to do that kind of 324 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: breath support is wild. Yeah, yes, yeah. Et homology note, okay, 325 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: the word urchin in English comes from the French, which 326 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: comes from a Latin word for hedgehog, which itself comes 327 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: from an old pie a proto Indo European route, meaning 328 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: to bristle, from which we also get the word horror, 329 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: as in bristle with fear. 330 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: Okay, but okay, okay. 331 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 2: In English, the term urchin was applied to all sorts 332 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: of bristly beings during the fifteen hundreds, including goblins, people hunchedbacks, 333 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: grubby looking kids in general, and bad girls in particular. 334 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the sea urchin for the animal entered the 335 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: written record in the fifteen nineties, so around the same time, 336 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: indicating that that English speakers were familiar with them around then. 337 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: And it was around the time of this urchin expansion 338 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: that English speakers seemed to agree to call hedgehogs hedgehogs 339 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: instead of urchins. I don't know what the transfer was, yeah, 340 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: although I should also note, because of course I looked 341 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 2: into it, street urchin was not popularized. Although it had 342 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: come about during this time, it wasn't popularized until like 343 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: Victorian England. 344 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I was wondering about that. I was like, that's 345 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: my experience with that term, and I wonder. 346 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, or like like a little bit before, like like 347 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: the seventeen nineties ish, I think, yeah, yeah. 348 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: Also urch and expansion again sounds like a card game 349 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: where you're buying the expansion pack. 350 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: I want the urchin expansion. 351 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: Yes, I bet it's hard. Yes. 352 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: So basically from what I read, I couldn't find a 353 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: lot of specifics. But again, coastal areas where sea urchins 354 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: were available, people were probably yep, eating them. 355 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 3: Found it harvest them. 356 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: Some sources I read suggest that for a while sea 357 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: urchins were largely used as bait in Japan until about 358 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, when sushi chef started using it after 359 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: they realized it was a great compliment to sushi rice. 360 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: At first, only select regions in the country offered it, 361 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: and it was considered a local specialty. When Japanese cuisine 362 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: started to really take hold globally in the mid nineteen hundreds. 363 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: Uni sushi got more popularity worldwide. 364 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: It did take time depending on the area, but that 365 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: was when it started to be. 366 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: Like okay, okay, yeah. 367 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: During the eighteen hundreds, some Japanese Americans living in California 368 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: formed fishing villages, especially near Monterey, and they foraged for 369 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: sea urchins off the coast. 370 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. They were also apparently harvested in Newfoundland in 371 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds, where they further apparently had the nicknames 372 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: eggs oh my, yep, yep. So many animalogy nets in 373 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 2: this one. You're well, I love it, thank you. 374 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: When Sicilian immigrants arrived in New York in the early 375 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: twentieth century, they started to demand for sea urchin, which 376 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: led to the harvesting of sea urchins in Maine that 377 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: were then shipped to New York. 378 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 3: A little bit more on that later. 379 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: Salvador Dali was a big fan of them, so much 380 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: so that he started in a nineteen thirty short film 381 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: or he explained how to eat them. I had to 382 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: look this up because I was like, wait, what what Yeah, 383 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: you can still watch it? 384 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 3: Cool yep. 385 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: And in his book Fifty Secrets of Magic Craftsmanship, he wrote, 386 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: to begin with, you will eat three dozen sea urchins 387 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: gathered on one of the last two days that precede 388 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: the full moon, choosing only those who star is coral red, 389 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: and discarding the yellow ones, which have, according to him, 390 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: quote sedative and narcotic virtues so special and so proprietous 391 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: to your approaching slumber, so basically make you nap. 392 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: And you don't want that if you're trying to make. 393 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: Something, No, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The star that 394 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: he's referring to is okay. Usually when you crack open 395 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: a sea urchin to consume it, you often use either 396 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: a knife or like a special kind of kind of 397 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: pinchy scissor thing that that just cuts off the top 398 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: of the sea urchin where the gonads are attached to 399 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: that top of the of the skeletal system and then 400 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 2: just kind of kind of open it up like a 401 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 2: like a like a skull, like a human skull, you know. 402 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: And and then on the inside those those five gonads 403 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: form a little star on the inside of that cap. 404 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: So that's that's what. 405 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: He's referring to. Okay, I got you. Wow, Well, there 406 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: is a lot of horror imagery in this one. I'm 407 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: gonna say. Well. In nineteen sixty seven, Dolly finished a 408 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: painting called sea Urchin Yes So Cool, Big Fan. In 409 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, Japanese seafood traders reached out to those 410 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: in the US that might help them supplement there's a 411 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: in Japan. They're basically like, we would like more of these, 412 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: can you get them? Divers in California and Maine who 413 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: were willing to take the risks, including shark attacks, could 414 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: make a lot of money. At one point in the 415 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, they could earn up to two thousand, five 416 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: hundred dollars of sea urchins in a week. Yes, and 417 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: the sea urchin harvest in Maine saw a massive rise. 418 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: From about nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety two. The 419 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: value of their the market went from about fifty thousand 420 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: dollars to fifteen million dollars in nineteen ninety. 421 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah wow, or by nineteen ninety yeah, from like yeah, 422 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: over the course of just a couple of years, because 423 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: they had been previously producing this relatively small amount for 424 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: these local markets like Sicilian immigrants to the New Yorkish area. 425 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: So they've been they've been harvesting maybe like forty five 426 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: metric tons a year, and then that jumped in the 427 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 2: same short period to over fifteen thousand metric tons, which 428 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: unfortunately led to a marked decrease in the sea urchin population, 429 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 2: like a ninety percent decrease. And so that is where 430 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: you get these sustainability efforts happening to try to protect 431 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: the young population until it can help repopulate the area. 432 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: Rights. 433 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 434 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: Also, the Nobel Prize for Medicine was awarded to three 435 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: scientists in two thousand and one quote for their discoveries 436 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: of key regulators of the cell cycle. And that's from 437 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize website that they came to by observing 438 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: sea urchins. 439 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I very briefly, right before we started recording, tried 440 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: to figure out what that means. And I don't know 441 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: so made so so maybe science episode science many in 442 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: those sature Yeah, yeah, we'll find out, because I do 443 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: know that sea urchins are pretty widely used to study stuff. 444 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: I don't remember why, So there you go. What I 445 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: do know about is the Internet. 446 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 3: So okay. 447 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: Sea urchin hit another spike of more like mainstream popularity 448 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 2: around twenty sixteen, which I strongly suspect is due to 449 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: what researches of the future shall surely call the Instagram effect. 450 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: You know, they look real pretty and weird, and so 451 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: there you go. And that was combined with a surge 452 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 2: of interest in like new foods, although of course people 453 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: had been eating them forever, right, And speaking of Internet influence, 454 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: I do have to put in here because of this 455 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: thing that happened like early pandemic. Yes, many sea urchins 456 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: enjoy wearing hats, or at the very least, we'll put 457 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: on a hat if you give them one. Okay. A 458 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 2: lot of sea urchin species have this natural behavior of 459 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: grabbing up shells or rocks or like branches of seaweed 460 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: with there were weird little suction arms, and then wearing 461 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: them around as like a sort of camouflage to avoid 462 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 2: predation and possibly in areas in like tidepools that are 463 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: nearer to the surface, maybe to avoid sunburn. So if you, 464 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: for example, three D print a tiny sinkable cowboy hat 465 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: and you leave it in a seaarch and habitat, there's 466 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: a decent chance it's going to pick it up and 467 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: put it on its little searearch and dome. 468 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: I need this my life. 469 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know I needed it so badly until you've 470 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: said it. 471 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: It's very cute. I highly recommend googling seaarchin hats. 472 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 473 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you'd like printed out a bunch 474 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: of hats and then we have like a search and 475 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: party hat party. 476 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: This is pretty much occurred. I again, Oh my gosh. 477 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: I thank you, Lauren. You've done me a great service today. 478 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: I have like never wanted a marine a saltwater aquarium 479 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: as much as I did when when all of this 480 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: started coming out on the internet. 481 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: New character for donut guard to that is so good. 482 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, trying to prevent someburn. They're just being smart, 483 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: they are and don't get sburn. Yeah, come on, that 484 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: fashionable had perfect perfect all right? Well, future research for 485 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: me I did see a lot of stories that started 486 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: circulating in twenty twenty three about the quote moral imperative 487 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: to eat sea urchin in certain places since they are 488 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: invasive there. For example, one story reported that off the 489 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: coast of California, the sea urchin had devoured ninety percent 490 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: of the bull kelp there, which is important to the 491 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: local ecosystem. 492 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, as opposed to the overfishing that we've seen 493 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: in some areas like Maine and many parts of Japan. 494 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: The problem in California is that when the natural predators 495 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 2: that usually keep sea urchins in check, when they decline 496 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: in population, like like otters and sea stars, which are 497 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: cousins of sea urchins, those urchins will overpopulate and just 498 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: totally take over. It's you know, like you probably learned 499 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: an elementary school, whenever there's an imbalance in the food chain, 500 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: everything gets messed up. 501 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yep, that's I know. I've mentioned this 502 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: game before, but I loved this Magic school Bus game. 503 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: I played Elementary School and it had this whole we've 504 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: got to keep the ecosys them and check and kelp 505 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: was a big part of it. 506 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: I had to make manage the kelp. 507 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 508 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had it was an important job. No, 509 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: it was fun. It was actually really fun game. 510 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 4: But it's just it was funny that I was like, 511 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: oh yeah, school us. Yeah, thanks, yes, absolutely, well, for sure, 512 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: there is a plethora of things we could come back 513 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 4: to you with this one. Oh yeah, right yeah, but 514 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 4: I think that's what we have to say for now. 515 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: I think it is. We We do have some listener 516 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: mill for you, though, and we are going to get 517 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: into that as soon as we get back from one 518 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: more quick break for a word from our sponsors. 519 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: And we're back. 520 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. 521 00:31:53,120 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: And we're back with Spikey on the outside. It's off 522 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 3: on the inside. 523 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, yes. 524 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: Okay, I love this. A couple of people have written 525 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: in about this. 526 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna leave you in suspense. Melissa wrote, 527 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: just listened to the latest episode of muld Wine and 528 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: the aside about the Muppets Christmas Carol reminded me of 529 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: a tweet that was recently circulating. Disney owns the rights 530 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: to the Muppets, so why aren't they making Muppet versions 531 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: of their classics instead of all these live action remakes? 532 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: We need Muppets, Beauty and the Beast, Muppet Pinocchio, all 533 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: of it. I wish I could find the original tweets 534 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: so I could credit the writer. However, the more a 535 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: titchen this idea gets, the more likely it is for 536 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: someone at Disney to see the wisdom and create these 537 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: obvious masterpieces. 538 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: Oh right, I mean especially right, especially Disney films where 539 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: you have this interaction between humans and very read other characters. Yes, 540 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that Cinderella herself could not 541 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: be a muppet, but like human Cinderella with a bunch 542 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: of muppets would be pretty aces. 543 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Yes, all, while the Muppet Christmas Carol we have Michael 544 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: Kane playing it so seriously. Yeah, around these muppets, it's 545 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: just a fun dynamic. There's a lot of fun to 546 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: be had there. Oh my goodness, I think this is 547 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: a great idea. We could have more classics on our hand, 548 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: like the Christmas care Rol. 549 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh beautiful, beautiful herd degree, Heidi wrote, first, I want 550 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: to say thank you for all the enjoyment and knowledge 551 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: you have brought to my life from the beginning of Savor. 552 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm currently a little behind on episodes, but always get 553 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: excited when a new episode drops and I get to 554 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: see what's coming my way. On the recent episode about Zelee, 555 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: you asked for more information about cookie tables. Oh, yes, okay. 556 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: As someone born and raised in the northwest corner of Pennsylvania, 557 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: I had never heard about cookie tables nor seen one 558 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: at a wedding until I got engaged while living in Pittsburgh. 559 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: The greater number of Scandinavians over German, Polish, Italian, and 560 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: Greek immigrants where I grew up only two and a 561 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: half hours north of Pittsburgh, meant the cookie table didn't 562 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: develop into a thing. It was one thing my now 563 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: spouse insisted on having had our wedding, even though we 564 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: got married in northwest Pennsylvania. My family was a little 565 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: surprised by the table, but loved the table and the 566 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: to go bags, which all good cookie tables must include. 567 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: That seems to be a consensus. I'll say, oh, yes, 568 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: that is beautiful. Love this because we've said before it's 569 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: so fun when we learn about like very localized things. 570 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 3: But I love that you were like only. 571 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: Two and a half hours away and it would still 572 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 2: be on your can. Yeah, that's so great, wonderful, right, Yes, 573 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 2: and we have several more messages coming up about this 574 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 2: that is it's fantastic and pictures that look like. 575 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: Like banquet hauls, I mean just of cookies. It's amazing. 576 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: So thank you all for answering when we were like, let. 577 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: Us know more about it. 578 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so much. Yes, yeah, oh my goodness. 579 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: Uh. 580 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 2: And and if you and if you have anything, if 581 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: if you have anything to say about sea urchins? 582 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh. 583 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: Yes, have you have you been diving for sea urchins? 584 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: Do do you have a do you have a recipe 585 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: that we should have? 586 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 3: Did you make one a hat? 587 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: Did have you made one a hat? 588 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: We have to know, we have to let us know 589 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 3: we do. 590 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: Please, yes, please, Thanks to both of these listeners for 591 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: writing in. If you would like to write to us 592 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: with answer these very important questions, you can our email 593 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: is hello at saverpod dot com. 594 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 595 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: and Instagram at saver pod and we do hope to 596 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: hear from you. Savor is production of iHeartRadio four more 597 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 2: podcasts from my heart Radio. You can visit the iHeartRadio app, 598 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 599 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our superproducers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. 600 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: Thanks to you for listening, and we hope that lots 601 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: more good things are coming your way.