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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome the Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 2: Boy.

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Speaker 1: We've had some breaking news stories over the weekend, so

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Speaker 1: many of them that we thought we couldn't even wait

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Speaker 1: until tomorrow's episode. So we're just gonna have a quick

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Speaker 1: little episode this morning going over some of the major

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Speaker 1: breaking news stories that happened this weekend, of course the

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Speaker 1: most shocking being of Rob and Michelle Reiner. But first,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about what happened before all of that happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: There were two shootings over the weekend, one in America

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Speaker 1: one in Australia that were pretty significant.

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Speaker 2: All right, So these two shootings, I just can't even

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Speaker 2: believe what happened over this weekend. Seriously, it was like

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Speaker 2: a never ending news cycle. You know. I was doing

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Speaker 2: the stories for this week too, like changing all the

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Speaker 2: titles and stuff, and we have over fifty five in

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Speaker 2: there right now for this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't even really look for any yet.

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Speaker 1: So obviously we tell you you guys all the time

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Speaker 1: that in the gross room we cover the other stories

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Speaker 1: that we don't talk about on Mother No's death. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so let I mean, all right, let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: shootings first, and then we'll talk about what happened last night,

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Speaker 1: because that was crazy, but the stories with the shootings

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Speaker 1: are all so crazy, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we had these two major mass shootings over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: So there was one at Brown University which ended up killing.

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Speaker 2: As of now, they're reporting two students have died. So

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Speaker 2: last night there was reports that they had taken a

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Speaker 2: person of interest into custody, but they have since let

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Speaker 2: them go. And one of the craziest parts of this

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Speaker 2: story for me is that two of the students who

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Speaker 2: were at the school that day this was not their

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Speaker 2: first shooting. One of the girls was shot in a

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one shooting outside outside of Los Angeles out

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Speaker 2: of high school, and another student was at a school

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Speaker 2: adjacent to the Parkland High School during that shooting in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that this is going to become more

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Speaker 1: common because most people, I mean I know older people

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Speaker 1: go to college as well, but the majority of people

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Speaker 1: that are that are at college, especially living there, are

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Speaker 1: are younger people, right, So the chances of them experiencing

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Speaker 1: this in their school life just because there are so

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Speaker 1: many school shootings every year or just increasing as time

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Speaker 1: goes on. That case in particular, I mean listen, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk shit because I'm not obviously

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Speaker 1: I've never worked in law enforcement and stuff, but just

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Speaker 1: being an average lay person that's just watching the news

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Speaker 1: and watching how the investigations unfolding, it just seems like

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Speaker 1: it's a total shit show. And I was actually so

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Speaker 1: my kids, as you guys know that I was posting

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Speaker 1: on Instagram yesterday it snowed here, like, I mean, six inches,

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Speaker 1: wasn't It's not that much compared to people that live

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Speaker 1: up north, but like it's kind of a lot here

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Speaker 1: for especially in December. So my kids had a two

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Speaker 1: hour delay for school today, which means that I let

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Speaker 1: them stay later last night. So I was just up

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Speaker 1: later than I normally would be, like listening to the

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Speaker 1: news and paying attention to things, and I saw that

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Speaker 1: they were having a press conference for this Brown University thing,

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Speaker 1: and I guess I was shocked because all day if

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Speaker 1: like that, they weren't naming who the shooter was that

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Speaker 1: they had in custody. However, when you're on social media,

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Speaker 1: this guy's picture was all over social media talking about

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Speaker 1: oh it was this twenty four year old guy from Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and he had he was I think it said that

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Speaker 1: have this person in custody. And so now everyone that

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, it's just and then

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and they're smart not reporting that person's name immediately,

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Speaker 1: Someone should definitely get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say one hundred percent because just

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Speaker 1: because let this guy go, I mean, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: how they just were so off. But whatever they let

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Speaker 1: he's not involved. It just means they don't have anything

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Speaker 1: to hold him. But I'd still say, whoever leaked it?

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Speaker 1: And I mean, yes, this guy is a young guy

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Speaker 1: and they leaked his picture, his name, all his information,

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Speaker 1: his parents' name, everything all over online. How is he

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just going to be the way it

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Speaker 1: get used to that. And I guess the same could

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Speaker 1: to talk about today. Honestly, because social media, I found

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Speaker 1: just like, why am I even watching the news anymore?

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing all this shit online like sometimes hours before

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's difficult because like, for example, like sometimes

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Speaker 2: we'll see something on Instagram x Facebook, right, and we'll

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Speaker 2: throw it in the stories, and then when I start

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Speaker 2: looking for anything backing it up, there's nothing, And then

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Speaker 2: it turns out some of them are just completely fabricated.

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Speaker 2: And what you were just saying reminds me of when

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Speaker 2: that person I believe on TikTok was falsely accusing a

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Speaker 2: kids were killed, of being the suspect, right, And it's

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Speaker 2: like that that professor ended up seeing that person and

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Speaker 2: ruined for no reason.

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Speaker 1: Well even right as us recording this episode, I have

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Speaker 1: gone on social media and see posts still circulating with

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Speaker 1: from the Brown University has been caught, And I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why every single influencer in the world

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the news might be slow, but it's because

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Speaker 2: they have not that they're perfect either, because they definitely

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Speaker 2: mess stuff up too, but they have a more credible

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Speaker 2: like no accountability for damaging somebody's reputation, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So so so yeah, I mean you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: And anyway with this case, I mean we'll stay on

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Speaker 1: top of this more. And this is like I obviously

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Speaker 1: I want to focus most today on the Rob and

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Speaker 1: Michelle Reiner case, but but yeah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: just watched press conference last night and it just I

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Speaker 1: Like they're putting out some statement like, oh, well, the

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Speaker 1: to the public, and you're just like, yeah, but there

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Speaker 1: killed bunch of people. So like, your argument is weak,

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Speaker 1: and I understand that you're in a hard place because

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Speaker 1: you don't want the public to be panicking because you

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Speaker 1: and as of right now, we don't even know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously it was targeted, right you don't just go in

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Speaker 1: But like, what was the motivation of that? Was it

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Speaker 1: Like like, who's the target and who needs to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because who's to say, Like it's very busy out

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Speaker 2: right now, it's the holidays, people are doing more stuff

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, I don't know. It's just to think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do want to play Devil's advocate with

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Speaker 2: like you're ruining a person's life that actually has nothing

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Speaker 2: the case when they should be keeping some stuff close

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Speaker 1: Just based upon though the press conference, and I could

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Speaker 1: it seems like they legitimately have no other film of

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Speaker 1: the comments are just so they're so good that just

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Speaker 1: like ripping these people. One of them showed the little

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Speaker 1: you know when you go to like the men's or

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Speaker 1: or the outline of the woman. They showed the outline

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Speaker 1: this is the suspect at large because that's like the

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Speaker 1: amount of information they're giving us a figure of a

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Speaker 1: person wearing black. Like it's so it's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's really helpful. So they're gonna have to find them

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Speaker 1: other ways, obviously. And this first one they were saying

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Speaker 1: like that. And then they were saying that they found

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Speaker 1: tomorrow's another day, so there might be a ton more

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Speaker 1: information about that. And I'm texting you know last night,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then there's you know, yeah, I completely

436
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Speaker 2: agree with you on that, And then there's like all

437
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Speaker 2: this drama over the search warrant they're trying to get,

438
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: and our friend Joe Jackaline posted a video trying to

439
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: explain it and was saying like, sometimes it could be

440
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: an issue if the person of interest lives inside of

441
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: the home where the crime occurred, right, so you have

442
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: to wonder was he living with them at that time?

443
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: I mean even just the night before Saturday night they

444
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: were at Conan O'Brien's holiday party and they were seen arguing.

445
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I think the more and more time that

446
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: goes on in all these cases, and especially with things

447
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: getting leaked to social media so easily and stuff, I

448
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: do understand that police forces want to like check boxes

449
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: extra at this time because if you think about it,

450
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: like it just last week talking about what was going

451
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: on with Luigi Mangioni and stuff, and them, their defence

452
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: is trying to get them to drop a lot of

453
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: evidence because they were saying a lot of it was

454
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Speaker 1: found with an improper search warrant and stuff. That's the

455
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that scares police departments to be like,

456
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: you know what, We're just gonna take this extra time

457
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: to do this to cover our ass because we don't

458
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: need to lose this case because we didn't collect the

459
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: evidence properly. Right, Oh totally, So, so that makes sense,

460
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about So then the police do this

461
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Speaker 1: press conference and they don't say anything, which is so

462
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Speaker 1: bizarre because before I was listening to that press conference,

463
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: I had already seen that People magazine said from a

464
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Speaker 1: reliable source that it was in fact Rob Reiner and

465
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Speaker 1: his wife Michelle who were dead. It was a double

466
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: homicide and their son had killed them. Right, So they're

467
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Speaker 1: reporting that in print People Magazine like really had I mean,

468
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Speaker 1: I don't think that or like the cream of the

469
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: crop news source. But at the same time, they also

470
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: are pretty legit and they they have to cover their

471
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: ass and they wouldn't put that out there if it

472
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: wasn't true. Right, So they have like a very reliable

473
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: source that was telling them that, and then they do

474
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: this press conference with the cops. The cops won't say

475
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: if it was a homicide. They won't say it was

476
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Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and his wife even though the reporters had

477
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Speaker 1: cited the People magazine article and one of them said,

478
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Speaker 1: the mayor of Los Angeles just put out a tweet

479
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: about Rob Reiner and his wife being dead. You can't

480
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: confirm that, and he's like no. It was like, dude,

481
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: it was out of control. And that's why I was

482
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: texting you, like, yo, you are missing this, Like wake up,

483
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Like we have a lot to talk about tomorrow.

484
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Speaker 2: I guess like my new pregnancy bedtime at nine pm

485
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: is not good for free My god.

486
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Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening right now? And this

487
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: was like five minutes after the Brown University press conference.

488
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: I was just so overwhelmed. I couldn't because I was like,

489
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so like crazy and exciting

490
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, Like it just was crazy. The

491
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: police also wouldn't say They were like, you're not getting

492
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that information until the coroner goes in and identifies the bodies.

493
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: You will get that directly from the corner. They wouldn't

494
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: say anything about that it being a homicide. They wouldn't

495
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Speaker 1: say anything. So one thing that I wanted to bring

496
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: up was that it was interesting that they said that

497
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the coroner wasn't there yet. So when they were doing

498
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: that press conference at around midnight our time, the bodies

499
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: were still in the house, and I believe that this

500
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Speaker 1: crime occurred in the afternoon.

501
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were founding like three point thirty.

502
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Speaker 1: So, and he was saying that he didn't know when

503
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: the coroner was about to get there or if they

504
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: were there yet, like there was all this stuff. So

505
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: that was one thing that I wanted to talk about

506
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: today on this episode because a lot of people, well

507
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: I guess, assume that a coroner or a medical examiner

508
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: would goes to every single scene, and in fact that's

509
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: not correct. So it all over the country there's either

510
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: a medical examiner system or a coroner system, which are different,

511
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and we talk a lot about those differences in the grossroom.

512
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: But basically, if you think about it, so many people

513
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: die in the United States every single day, it would

514
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: be impossible for the coroner or the medical examiner to

515
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: go to every single crime scene and look at it.

516
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: So that's why they have a whole entire staff of

517
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: people like our friend Joseph Scott Morgan, who are forensic investigators,

518
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: and they go out to the scene. They're the ones

519
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: that go they document evidence, take photographs, interview witnesses, gather

520
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: medical history and all that kind of stuff, and they're

521
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the eyes and the ears for the

522
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: medical examiner, and then they go back and show their

523
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: findings to the medical examiner so they could help complete

524
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: the case. But for example, when in Philadelphia, the medical

525
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: examiner never left the morgue, only to go to very

526
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: high profile cases, one of which I recall was when

527
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: the Amtrak train derailed in Philadelphia, and that's when they

528
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: would go to the scene because that was going to

529
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: be a huge case. So something like one of the

530
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: most Hollywood elites getting murdered is up there with Okay,

531
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: the coroner is going to get in a car and

532
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: go to the scene, right because this is like a

533
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: huge deal. So I'm assuming that's why they were waiting

534
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: for them to get there. I'm sure that there were

535
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: already investigators there, just the actual doctor who was going

536
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: to be signing out the case was still waiting to

537
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: go there, perhaps just because they really, like I said,

538
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: they really want to cover their ass and stuff. So

539
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about because I guess I was saying,

540
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Speaker 1: you know, whenever you hear of two people dying together,

541
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: there's all different situations, And as Maria was saying earlier,

542
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: when we were talking about Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa,

543
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: obviously everybody in the media first went to like, oh,

544
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: this is suspicious and this is a murder, when in

545
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: my mind I was thinking other things, because there's lots

546
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: of different things that could happen. Of course, in the

547
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: case of Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa, they were actually

548
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: both deemed to be natural deaths. If you recall, Betsy

549
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: died from the rare haunted virus and was the primary

550
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Speaker 1: caregiver of Gene Hackman, who was elderly and living with dementia,

551
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: so after she died, he didn't have a caregiver and

552
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: then he subsequently died, So in that case they were

553
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: both ruled natural. But there are other cases where people

554
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: two bodies are discovered together and it could be something

555
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: like an accidental death, they died from carbon monoxide exposure.

556
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: It could be suicidal deaths like it was they both

557
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: decided to kill themselves together, or they had a murder suicide,

558
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: or it could be like in this case, which is

559
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: a homicide. So there's all different sorts of scenarios that

560
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: could happen when two people are found dead together.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also wanted to say too with the coroner

562
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: thing you were talking about, Like, I feel like that

563
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: episode we did about Thomas Negucci, you really see that

564
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: in his book, like all the crimes he would go

565
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: to because he really talked about that process.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing is, though, is Thomas Nogucci's a

567
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: good example, like he did rfk's autopsy, Marilyn Monroe, all

568
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: these uh Garantate, Scharantate and what was what's her name?

569
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Natalie would right, huge huge cases that that's when the

570
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: coroner would go to the scene, but he didn't go

571
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: on the average Joe that got shot on the street. Like,

572
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: trust me, they don't go to every single one. So

573
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: just like high profile cases, it just so happens when

574
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: you're in LA. I mean, there's just a higher probability

575
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: of there being more high profile cases. So I guess

576
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: first let's start with I do want to talk about

577
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: like once they take the bodies to the morgue, what

578
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: are they going to look for and how are they

579
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: going to determine what happened. So we haven't had exact

580
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: a release of specific manner of death and cause of

581
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: death from the LA Coroner's Office as of this point.

582
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: So all of this is just reporting and as we know,

583
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: reporters get it wrong a lot of the times. So

584
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: as of right now, we're treating it as a homicide

585
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: that was a sharp injuries cut their throats. But there's

586
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: just so many other things to look for at autopsy.

587
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: So first let's talk about they're going to look for

588
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: evidence of trauma obviously, and TMZ reports. So you know

589
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: how people say, oh, this is a you know, someone

590
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: died of a cardiac arrest, right I did. I actually

591
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: saw someone posted online that showed a screenshot from the

592
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: police or the police and fire department have You know

593
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I should know this because I'm married to a firefighter

594
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: whatever whatever that system is that beeps on my husband's

595
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: phone all day that.

596
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: And you can't even ask him because you don't have

597
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: four hours if you're life.

598
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a it's a huge it's just a huge

599
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: joke in our house because I always tell him that

600
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: it needs to be turned off when he's home because

601
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: he's not at work anymore. That listening to the radio

602
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: or whatever the dispatch you. So they show a screenshot

603
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: of it that shows that the that the Los Angeles

604
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: Fire Department reported to Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner's house

605
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: for a cardiac arrested. Okay, so yeah, obviously they got

606
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: stabbed to death, so their heart stopped. Yet, Okay, thanks

607
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: for that information.

608
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: Do you but you possibly say that as like code word? Well, no,

609
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a code word. I just think

610
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: that or like it's just such a no, I just

611
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: didn't realized term for like, yeah, like the daughter called

612
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh my god, like I just got

613
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: to my parents' house and both of my parents are dead,

614
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: like so they so they just say, you know, the

615
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: daughter's not the daughter's not doing an autopsy external exam

616
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: on the people.

617
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Speaker 1: She doesn't know how they died. They two people are

618
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: down and they're probably dead. They're heart stopped.

619
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Speaker 2: Like well, yeah, maybe that's what That's what I'm trying

620
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: to say it, Like, maybe they're saying it in the

621
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: proper generalized term of like there's two dead people at

622
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: this house, but.

623
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Speaker 1: The cardiac arrest doesn't. I mean, technically it means your

624
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: heart stopped, but people can be revived from cardiac arrest,

625
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, So it's like it's just like the dispatch

626
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: doesn't know. They don't know, so all they do is

627
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: they know two people are down, and it's like the

628
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: ambulance needs to get there quick because they might have

629
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: to either try to resuscitate them or analyze what's happening

630
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: like someone's in great, in great danger basically, right. So

631
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: this is my second most hated terminology that media uses.

632
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: So TMZ, Rob and Michelle suffered lacerations consistent with knife wounds,

633
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: and LAPD's Robbery Homicide Division is investigating the case. Okay,

634
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: So in the gross room, as Maria said earlier, we

635
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: did a high profile or celebrity death dissection on Rob

636
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Reiner and Michelle Reiner today with as much information as

637
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: we have going over all this stuff we'll be talking

638
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: to you about on the episode, so you can really

639
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: see pictures of autopsies to see like what this stuff

640
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: actually looks like. And a laceration is caused by blunt

641
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: trauma like a baseball bat, it's not caused by a knife.

642
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: They should use terms like rob and Michelle suffered sharp

643
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: force injuries or Robin Michelle suffered incisional wounds, Like I

644
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: understand the word laceration sounds gorrier and it sounds cooler,

645
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: but like it's wrong. Stop using it. You sound like

646
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: a frickin' moron. It drives me crazy. So then I

647
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: go into this post talking about stab wounds and what

648
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: they look like and why they have a very specific appearance,

649
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go we go through in this

650
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: post every single thing that they're going to be looking

651
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Speaker 1: for at autopsy, as long as like what these things

652
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Speaker 1: actually look like. So, what did the blade look like,

653
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: what kind of knife was used? Was the same knife

654
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: used for all of the injuries? How many stab wounds

655
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: were there? Was it overkill? There is? So overkill and

656
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: homicides is defined as a massive amount of injuries that

657
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: far exceed what is needed to kill a person. So

658
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: is that a possibility here? Yeah, because they're seen in

659
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: cases with family high levels of betray i, anger, jealousy, domestics,

660
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: So there is a possibility that they're signs of overkill.

661
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: Fourteen percent of cases of homicides are caused have overkilled

662
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: in them, and they're very gruesome in nature, so it

663
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: would be you know, it wouldn't be out of the

664
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: question in my opinion. And then we go through like, Okay,

665
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: so we know, we're saying that they have some stab wounds,

666
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: right with which one caused their death, because sometimes, like

667
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: let's say a person's cause stab thirty times, they're not

668
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: going to have thirty things that would have been a

669
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: way to kill them. Usually it's like there's a lot

670
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: of superficial ones. That's why you're stabbing a moving target.

671
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: They're moving, You're not hitting an artery and causing them

672
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: to go down, so you're just stabbing wherever you're going.

673
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: And most of the time people that are doing this,

674
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: they don't really know anatomy, so they don't know the

675
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: best place to go to get a person down the

676
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: quickest and things like that. And then you have to

677
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: think that people are fighting back, so you're going to

678
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: look at their hands to see if there's defense wounds

679
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: and if they put up a fight. So what stab

680
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: wounds caused their death? Non fatal stab wounds. So, for instance,

681
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Speaker 1: I show an example of like what it looks like

682
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: if there's a stab wound to the stomach right and yes,

683
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: eventually a stab wound to the stomach that was open

684
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: and pouring gastric contents into the abdominal cavity would eventually

685
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: cause someone a lot of problems and would could cause

686
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: infection and sepsis that would lead to death. But that's

687
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: nothing that's happening super quick that the person's just going

688
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: to drop dead from. So you're going to see a

689
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: lot of injuries of another one I showed as a

690
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: person that has this large incisional wound across their head

691
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: that you could see their skull exposed. And although it

692
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: looks very gruesome, it wouldn't cause a person to die

693
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: on the scene like that. So you're going to have

694
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: to look for what was the wound that actually caused

695
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: the person to die, And for example, that would be

696
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: a stab wound to the heart and obviously getting sliced

697
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: across the carotid arteries of the neck. Now, there's been

698
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: times where people have been stabbed to death and then

699
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: had their throat cut after they were already dead, so

700
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: and that would be seen in more cases of overkill

701
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: that you would see more stab wounds occurred after the

702
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: person was already clearly dead and not fighting back anymore.

703
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: So when we talk about neck wounds, and if this

704
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: is true, if they were sliced across the neck, that

705
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that that's what killed them, because you

706
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: could have a fatal neck wound and you could have

707
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: a non fatal neck wound. And I show the difference

708
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: between them and this post. When you're talking about your

709
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: neck anatomy, when you feel the front of it, especially

710
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: on a man, where the Adams apple is, that's the

711
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: larynx or the windpipe. Right behind that is the esophagus

712
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: right and then right next to either of those structures

713
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Speaker 1: is the uhtid. Are the carotid arteries and the jugular

714
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Speaker 1: veins the arteries. Of course, if they get cut, that's

715
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Speaker 1: going to be really what causes a person to die

716
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: and to bleed out for two different reasons. Number One,

717
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: the carotid arteries are major arteries that come directly off

718
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Speaker 1: of the aorta. They're very close to the pump of

719
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: the heart, so blood is going to be coming out

720
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: of that whole more forcefully just because the pump is

721
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: right there. And then the second mechanism of death in

722
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: that particular case is that those arteries are also bringing

723
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: oxygenated bloods to your brain. So if you're cutting off

724
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: that line of the oxygen getting to your brain, that

725
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: could also cause death very quickly. For both of them.

726
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: A jugular vein might they You know, a vein in

727
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: general is a little bit of a slower bleed, so

728
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Speaker 1: you could possibly survive something like that if you're brought

729
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: to the hospital right away. Corotid injury like that, like

730
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: you're dying from that. It's a very fatal wound. And

731
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Speaker 1: then of course I reference in this post Nicole Brown

732
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: Simpson because as you guys remember whoever killed her or

733
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: didn't kill her, she was nearly decapitated, so the knife

734
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Speaker 1: went so far back to her neck that it actually

735
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: nicked and severed a portion of her spinal cord, which

736
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: could also cause death as well. So the deeper that

737
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: you go in a throat wound at the right angle

738
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: could kill someone either by the carotid arteries or by

739
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: the spinal cord. But then in this post I show

740
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: another really gnarly neck wound. If you remember, one of

741
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: our grocery members and also listeners of this program had

742
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: sent us in a case of her daughter. I think

743
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: we did it on a six Shocking Stories episode. Her

744
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: daughter had fell on a can, and the lid of

745
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: the can is a sharp it's essentially a knife. Right

746
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: when you open a can she felt on it somehow

747
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: in a weird accident, and it sliced a huge gash

748
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: in her neck. But luckily it didn't hit any of

749
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: her blood vessels or her spinal cord. It didn't go

750
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: that deep. So even when you look at the neck wound,

751
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: it's very gnarly, but it didn't cause an injury that

752
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: would have killed her. So that's all different things that

753
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: they're going to be looking for during this autopsy. They're

754
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: also going to be looking for post mortem stab wounds,

755
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: so that means, like like I said earlier, after the

756
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: person's dead, that they were still getting stabbed. And another

757
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: thing to take into consideration is that they're going to

758
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: be looking for other wounds too. So as Maria was saying,

759
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: they were at Conan O'Brien's, you've said this right, Yeah, Okay,

760
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: they were at Conan O'Brien's holiday party and they were

761
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: fighting with their son. I guess I'm assuming that me

762
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: is arguing. But when they went home, did that fight

763
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: continue and did it turn into a fistfight? Before it

764
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: turned into this or another type of fight, they could

765
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: have been beaten with an object or something like that.

766
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: So they're going to look for evidence of blunt injuries.

767
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Now we could talk about they might have seen lacerations

768
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: their favorite word, also broken bones, contusions or bruises and

769
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: things like that. And in here I show a case

770
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: of a person that did have multiple stab wounds, but

771
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: they also have evidence that they were strangled as well,

772
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: so there can definitely be two different mechanisms of injury

773
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: in these cases. They're also going to look at toxicology

774
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: just to see if Rob and his wife were under

775
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: the influence or drugs or alcohol. Although I feel like,

776
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: who cares, you know, I mean.

777
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: If you like to murder them, what's the difference.

778
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, is that they they they would

779
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: use that in court when the son's crying, like, oh

780
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: they were alcoholics and they were abuse, you know whatever.

781
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: They could they use that information for that because sometimes

782
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: that's contributory. I don't see how it would be in

783
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: this case. But they also want to check to make

784
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: sure that like let's say, for example, they do these

785
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: autopsies and they don't see any defensive wounds, then they

786
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: might say, well, that's weird. Why weren't they fighting back? Oh,

787
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: they were drugged before they were stabbed, and all this

788
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: stuff like really doesn't. It matters more for court for

789
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: the court case rather than just like for actually saying

790
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: that they were just innocent people that got stabbed to death.

791
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: And then the lastly, they're gonna look for evidence of

792
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: natural disease. Usually if they're in there, they're just gonna

793
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: look anyway, and they're gonna weigh the heart, see see

794
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: how much it weighed, if there was any evidence of

795
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: like heart disease, look for any tumors and things like that. Obviously,

796
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: like at this point those things are non contributory, but

797
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: sometimes they are. So in cases of a person, like

798
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: let's say a person's driving their car and they get

799
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: in a car accident, and then a lot of people say, well,

800
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: why would you even do an autopsy? You know, they

801
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: died as a result of the car accident. But then

802
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: sometimes you do the autopsy and you open up the

803
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: brain and you see that they have a tumor, and

804
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, well, maybe that brain tumor was

805
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: actually the reason that caused them to have this car

806
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: accident or a heart attack or something like that. So

807
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: sometimes natural disease is contributory and forensic cases, but in

808
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: this particular one, I don't think it's going to be

809
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: contributory at all.

810
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: No. I mean this is already what has it been,

811
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: not even twenty four hours, and this is already so

812
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: much information.

813
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean like we're gonna hear more for sure,

814
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it is it's just really

815
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: unfortunate because when you watch and we have all this

816
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: linked in the post and the grocer room as well,

817
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: but when you watch this interview with the Sun, you

818
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: just think like they're being open in this interview about

819
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: the struggles, but nobody really truly understands the struggles that

820
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: people are going through hind closed doors. And obviously being

821
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: such a public, well liked, well respected Hollywood figure, they

822
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: don't air nowhere near all their dirty laundry. And I

823
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: just keep thinking like this daughter, like just what the

824
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: other children who are are more living through this as well,

825
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: their whole life have been dealing with this with their brother.

826
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Only for it to end like this is just it's

827
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: just like such a huge weight on your heart. You know.

828
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I used to work with a woman who had a

829
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: daughter closely with a woman who had a daughter who

830
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: had a heroin addiction, and I mean it really, really

831
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: really destroyed her for years. It was just constant, like

832
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: just not hearing from her daughter for days, never knowing

833
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: when she was getting that call. And then she finally

834
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: got that call that she was dead, and honestly, she

835
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: told me she was relieved. Like that's terrible to think

836
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: about your child, but like, I mean, like it's so

837
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: much when there's someone like that's so volatile in your

838
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: in your family like that, and to think that that

839
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: they have to I mean, your parents both dying at

840
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: the same time is just terrible anyway. Your parents getting

841
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: murdered is terrible anyway, but to think that your brother

842
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: did it is just like.

843
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: Well, and they're not normal people either, so like this

844
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: isn't going away anytime soon, and I doubt they're going

845
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: to be able to grieve in private at all.

846
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: And I mean every and it seems like, I mean,

847
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal was outside of the house. Larry David like huge,

848
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: huge stars just and and listen, like anybody that's close

849
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: friends with these people are probably not surprised if they

850
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: really know what's been going on in their life. Because

851
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: I think the sister's words of saying that he was

852
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: dangerous makes me think that there's been threats before, and

853
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: there's been situations before that they have and keeping private.

854
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: Oh totally.

855
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's all for today. We could obviously,

856
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: like it's the afternoon on Monday, and by tomorrow, who

857
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: knows what else we'll know about this case and maybe

858
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: we'll briefly discuss it again. But we just couldn't wait

859
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: until tomorrow to get you this news.

860
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: No, and it just really quick to wrap this episode up.

861
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: The crazy news weekend didn't end there because oh yeah,

862
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: like exactly. I'm like, you're like, you're wrapping up of

863
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: like we have a whole other thing.

864
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Speaker 1: We I seriously totally texted Maria today the Moreton Salt girl,

865
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: like when it rains, it pours, it's just to think

866
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: about everything that's happened in the past twenty four or

867
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: so hours is just out of control, all.

868
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Speaker 2: Right, So we haven't. I don't think we've covered this

869
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: case on here at all. I don't remember if we

870
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: talked about it when it first happened, but I don't.

871
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

872
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: I thought I thought we did because we did actually

873
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: because we talked about his text messages.

874
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Speaker 2: Well, we talked about him on the YouTube live. But

875
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Speaker 2: I don't think we did it on this show, Okay,

876
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Speaker 2: So okay, so just really quick because we will be

877
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Speaker 2: covering this more at length, especially in the grocery. We're

878
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Speaker 2: going to do a whole disection on it too. But

879
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: this guy, Brian Walsh, was just on trial for the

880
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: murder and dismemberment of his wife, who was last seen

881
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve in twenty twenty two. So they're

882
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: thinking she died New Year's Day twenty twenty three, so

883
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Speaker 2: her body was never found and he's been on trial

884
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Speaker 2: for her murder. They think he dumped her body in

885
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: a nearby dumpster, which was nearly impossible to find. They

886
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: didn't find anything, So he's been on trial for the

887
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: past couple weeks, and this morning he was found guilty.

888
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, and like, listen, how are they not

889
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: going to find this guy guilty? Obviously he's guilty. I mean,

890
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: there's who else goes to Low's and is on video

891
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: buying a half hat, salt.

892
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: Buckets, buckets, cleaner and rags for four hundred and a

893
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: high vex suit, a tigh vex suit. Yeah, and then

894
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: other information came out that she was having an affair

895
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Speaker 2: her life insurance policy was worth five hundred thousand dollars.

896
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: They had three sons that were really young. It is

897
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: extremely disturbing this case, and I can't wait to line

898
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Speaker 2: out all the details because it just gets even worse.

899
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Speaker 2: Like he had these terrible Google searches, one of which,

900
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Speaker 2: for example, for shortness of this episode, is ten ways

901
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: to dispose of a dead body if you really need to. Okay,

902
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: you're not guilty at all. He also was searching something

903
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: to do with porn that had to do with affairs.

904
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Speaker 2: But yeah, he was found guilty of first agree murder

905
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Speaker 2: murdered this morning and he's facing life in prison without parole,

906
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: and his sentencing hearing is set for Wednesday morning.

907
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll do a high profile depth of section

908
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: on this in the gross term at some point too,

909
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: just because it's a little bit it's a little bit

910
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: different with the Google searches are just like super interesting

911
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: to me, and it's amazing to me that there's not

912
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: some kind of system. I guess that triggers that. But

913
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: I also was saying in the grocery beide jail, Yeah,

914
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: I mean, but the thing is is that I feel

915
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: like it's quite obvious that we do this for a living,

916
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: and some of my searches are because of that. Whereas

917
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: if you just have a person that's just like searching

918
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: for porn and searching for like how to get to

919
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: lows and things like that, and then all of a

920
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: sudden they have searches about like how to get rid

921
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: of a dead body, what to do with a dead body, this, that,

922
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: and the other. You'd be like, Okay, this is a

923
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: little weird, like what does anybody want to do with

924
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: this information? So, but I mean that's the good and

925
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: bad part of the Internet because sometimes, I mean think

926
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: about it, like sometimes you'll just be like sitting around

927
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: with your friends and talking about something that's like really weird.

928
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: And I mean even when we went to dinner with

929
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: our East Coast True Crime family on Friday night, we

930
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: saw our friend Barbara Butcher and we were like, hey,

931
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: we have a question if somebody puts body parts into

932
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: a dumpster actually was pertaining to this case, because he

933
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: did say that he dismembered her body and put it

934
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: in trash cans and it went into a dumpster. The

935
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: problem is is that they don't know what day it was,

936
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: They don't know there would just be no way to

937
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: figure out like where all those dumpsters took the bodies

938
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: and find the body parts in the landfill. And but

939
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: there are definitely cases of investigators going to landfill looking

940
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: for body parts. So we said to Barbara, who we've

941
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: interviewed on the show before. She has a true crime

942
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: show on Oxygen channel, Death Investigator, The Death Investigator, which

943
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: is on Oxygen, and she just told me that it's

944
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: streaming on Peacock as well. So we were like, Hey,

945
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: what happens if there's a body that gets put into

946
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: a dumpster and it goes to a landfill? Like who

947
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: looks for that? Is that the cops? Is that the

948
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: coroner's office? Like what's happening there? And and like if

949
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: we didn't see her that night, we could have googled it.

950
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: People are just curious about stuff like that. That doesn't

951
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: mean that we're trying to kill somebody and put them

952
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: in a dumpster, and like, you know, but in this case,

953
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: there's just so much evidence against him. So so yeah,

954
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: well and like obviously if we hear more about that too,

955
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: but tune into the Gross Room within the next I

956
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: would say month or two, because we're going to do

957
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: a deep dive on that and all of the investigation

958
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: that they found, and because in that particular case, when

959
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: they don't have a body, and the defense was saying, oh,

960
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: she died of natural causes, and I just was scared

961
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: because you know, she was having this affair and I

962
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: thought you guys would think it was me. I just

963
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: put her in the dumpster and cut her up. I mean,

964
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: technically he should only be getting charge with how could

965
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: they prove that he actually killed her when there's no

966
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: body to see if that's true. Get into all that

967
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: because because that defense is ridiculous. But guess what, Like

968
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: that defense worked in the Casey Anthony trial when they said, oh,

969
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: she drowned in the pool and we just put her body.

970
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: We freaked out and panicked and put her body in

971
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: the woods, Like when you could when you could give

972
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt to a jury member that that is the

973
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: possibility that that happened, because you're not able to determine

974
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: what the actual cause of death was.

975
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: Dumping a body and cutting up a body or kind

976
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: of just like different because like you're taking the extra

977
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: effort to totally.

978
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. That's not that that that's not

979
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: murdering somebody though you can get in trouble for like

980
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: abuse of a corpse, but that's not the same the

981
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: same charges as as homicide.

982
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: No, but clearly they had enough circumstantial evidence, whereas the

983
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: Casey Anthony case, there was enough reasonable doubt that they

984
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 2: didn't charge her, even though it's like, come on, but yeah,

985
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: I mean that could be argued both ways because there

986
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: was plenty of substantial evidence there. But all you need

987
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: is one person.

988
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: You know exactly So in this case though, they just

989
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: like they weren't having it. And it's really sad because

990
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: they had three little little kids to the point where

991
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: this happened two years ago, and some of them, if

992
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: not all of them, might not even remember their parents

993
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: even being together, let alone their mom being alive when

994
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: they get older, because they're very very young.

995
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: Well, we thought we were jumping on here for fifteen

996
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: minutes to talk to update you guys about the weekend

997
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: headlines because there was just so much I mean, we

998
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: just couldn't wait till tomorrow's episode. And not to mention,

999
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: there's like fifty plus other stories that need to be

1000
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: talked about in the next week or two.

1001
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of good stuff coming up, So we'll talk

1002
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Speaker 1: to you guys tomorrow.

1003
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Speaker 2: We'll be back with normal episodes the rest of this week. Yeah.

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1011
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Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialized in anatomy

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