1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: It was the summer of nineteen ninety six in Upper Manhattan, 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: while the violence of the crack epidemic continued to rage. 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: On July fifteenth, a man survived a gunshot on one 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty ninth Street. On August thirtieth, another man 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: wasn't as lucky at a bus stop on one hundred 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: and forty fifth On September twentieth, gunshots erupted on one 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eighth Street, and police chased down a 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: white sedan that had sped away from the scene with 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: two young men inside, Petro Guzman and Jerome Curry. Detectives 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: told them that they'd found a gun in their wake, 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: and eventually Guzman named Jerome and their friend Miguel Enriquez, 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: saying that the gun was used in the August thirtieth 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: murder as well. Over a day later, Jerome said the 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: same thing, additionally admitting to the July fifteenth shooting. Either 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: those detectives hit the jackpot, or this is wrongful conviction. 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Wrongful conviction has always given voice to innocent people in prison, 17 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: and now we're expanding that voice to you. 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Call us A three three, two oh seven, 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: four six sixty six. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction today's episod. 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: So it's a case that you're not going to want 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: to hear, but you need to hear the story of 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: mister Jerome Curry. And Jerome is on the phone with 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: us now. First of all, I'm sorry for everything even 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: going through for Jesus almost three decades. Yes, but I'm 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: very honored to have you here on the show. Well, 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: I honor also to be on the show man yeah, 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: and joining us once again to help tell this story. 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: My friend attorney Justin Bonas Justin, welcome. 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: Back, thank you. It's great to be back on. 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: So Jerome, take us back to before all of this 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: horrible stuff happened. 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: I was born into Dominican Republic. I spent some years 42 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: out there. I grew up in between two different family structures. 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: Social structures, like on my father's side, all of his 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: children and everybody else in the family, they will all 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: graduate from college and the university. They were professional, so 46 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: like a middle class sort of family. And on my 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: mother's side, basically no one had graduated from college, but 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 3: some people don't even read and write. It was a 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: very poor family and a very rough neighborhood. I kind 50 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: of grew up there more than with my father. I 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: used to like it there more because I had cousins. 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 3: And in the May seventies, my mother met an American doctor. 53 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: They married and he brought over to the United States, 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: and about a year later I came over to Trent 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: in New Jersey. It was rough. I didn't know English, 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 3: and I'm baskin so experienced bullying and abused by other kids. 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: But I ended up getting a good education, graduating, and 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: I moved over to New York Jerome. 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: First moved to one hundred and fifty ninth Street in 60 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: Washington Heights, an area that was deep in the throes 61 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: of the crack epidemic. But then soon Jerome found a 62 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: safer place in the Bronx, where he met his co defendants, 63 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Miguel Enriquez and unfortunately the guy who sold him down 64 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: the river, Pedro Goosemann. 65 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: I had just really met the guy around the time 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: that we both got arrested, and Rieke has introduced me 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: to him. You know, he worked for the superl the 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: same build than where I lived, and he kind of 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: gravitated tow us me, so we started hanging out together. 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: You know, Ice, it's like smoking weed. He smoked weedze. 71 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: But I never really knew much about the guy. So, 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, we all had moved to the Bronx around 73 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: that time because Washington Heights or the opposite west side 74 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: of Manhattan was very very different man they was moving 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: at a different speed. It was huge drug enterprise, so 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: everybody and then the businesses, everybody was involved in something. 77 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: Even the people that were not committing crimes were right 78 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: there in the middle of everything. 79 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: Crack epidemic era Upper Manhattan was rife with violence, But 80 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't excuse how our civil rights were regularly trampled 81 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: to clear sometimes multiple open cases. If you recall what 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: happened to Ralphie Martinez, which we're going to link that 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: incredible story in the episode description. He became the scapegoat 84 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: for drug trafficking on West one hundred and fifty seventh 85 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Street and three violent crimes. And this case bears some 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: resemblance as the police were willing to once again use 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: false statements to clear July fifteenth assault with a deadly weapon, 88 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: an August thirtieth murder, and an attempted murder on September twentieth. 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: And in this story, we have a known repeat offender 90 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: with whom Justin has had some contact, Detective Ba de Leone. 91 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: Lpedo Ba de Leone. They cleared the books. That's what 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: they did back then. I mean BA told me that 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: about Raffi. That's what they did back then. I mean 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: even now in modern times is when they think they 95 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: can throw everything on a guy, that's what they're going 96 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: to do. The funny thing is Baight, he's in the 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: Jabbar Walker case. Jabar Walker was exonerated November twenty seventh, 98 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three the Innocence Project. From everyone that I've 99 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: spoken with have stated that the net case there was 100 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: fabricating and manufacturing evidence from Ba de Leone, And we 101 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: also know about de Leone that he was found in 102 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety to have used force against a witness in 103 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: another case. In order to get statement, I could tell 104 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: you that it almost never happens thirty years ago that 105 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: the Civilian Complaint Review Board and the NYPD internally substantiated 106 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: use of force allegation. And that's before we get the 107 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: Jabar Walker's case, which took place around the same time 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: as Curry's. So it's kind of like a clear of 109 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: the books type of situation. With the Jerome the July 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: attempted murder and then the September twentieth attempted murder, we're 111 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: both in the thirty third precinct, and then the murder 112 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: of Reginald Myers is in the thirtieth precinct. So this 113 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: is what brings de Leone in. So you get these 114 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: statements that are obviously fabricated and manufactured, not only because 115 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 2: they're identical, but also because they are demonstrably false. Okay, 116 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: but the other detectives, he was the more senior detective, 117 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: it appears, and he was the one that took the 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: lead driving the investigation with regard to the other cases. 119 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: So let's start with the assault of Reginald Fraser on 120 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: July fifteenth of nineteen ninety six. 121 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: According to him, it was late that night, around ten o'clock. 122 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: He says that it was a male black eighteen to 123 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: twenty years of age. They had an argument walking down 124 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: the street from the middle of the block through the 125 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: corner of one hundred and fifty ninth Street in Broadway, 126 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: and that the argument got a little heated and the 127 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: male black put out a gun on him and shot 128 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: him on a box when he tried to flee away 129 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: from Reginald Fraser. He's African American, so he would know 130 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: for a fact whether he's talking to an African American 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: or Latino. That was a dark skin, he definitely would 132 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 3: have been able to distinguish that. 133 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: Now Jerome was five to seven with dark skin and 134 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: a thick Dominican accent. 135 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: In fact, my English back then, my accent was a 136 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: little stronger. Now it has gotten better to education and 137 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: studying and reading and you know, going through them off 138 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: a pronunciation, but it was definitely a lot stronger back there, 139 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: so he would have known that this distinction immediately. 140 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: Nevertheless, Reginald Fraser initially reported a young black Mail as 141 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: his assailant, not an Hispanic Mail. But eventually Fraser identified 142 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Jerome and changed his story to say that an Hispanic 143 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Mail was his assailant. And we'll get into the suggestive 144 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: nature of his idea as well as Fraser's particulate later on. 145 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: But first back to July fifteenth, nineteen ninety six, detectives 146 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: from the thirty third precinct had no leads, and then 147 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: in the thirty th precinct on August thirtieth, nineteen ninety six, 148 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: there was a murder of Reginald Myers. 149 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: Got two Reggies in this case, a Reggie Fraser and 150 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: Reggie Myers. Myers is the deceased. Fraser is alive. My 151 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: focus has been on the Myers case because you got 152 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: to take one case at a time. If you don't, 153 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: you're going to confuse a judge. I think you got 154 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: to focus on Myers first, because there is a landslide 155 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: worth of evidence, forensic, medical, One of the people that 156 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: was in the car has come forward with an affidavit 157 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: detailing who the killer was and that it wasn't Jerome 158 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: and he wasn't there. 159 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: During this time, I was visiting Trenton, New Jersey with 160 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: my girlfriend visit in my mother's house. I was out 161 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: there with friends and spending some time out there. 162 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: Many years later, Jerome's co defend at, Miguel Enriquez, made 163 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: it clear that he committed this crime with Pedro Guzman 164 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: and another man. 165 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: Yes, he mentioned in Markles and then he nicknamed him 166 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: boas this was the guy that was supposed to have 167 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: fired the shot. On the night of the murder. 168 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: From my investigation, Henriquez, Guzman and a man named mark 169 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: Or Leboa are looking for someone to rob. This is 170 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: the west side of Harlem, and there was a lot 171 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: of people running around with I guess a lot of 172 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: weight in drugs, so you know, guys would drive around, 173 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: you had stick up kids. And on one hundred and 174 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: forty fifth Street, Henriquez Guzman on and Loboa. They see 175 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: this man who happens to be Reginald Myers with a 176 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: bag in his hand. They think that he has drugs 177 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: in the bag. Turns out that he just got some 178 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: like gatorade and like a snapple or something like that, 179 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: and Henriquez gets out of the car grabs the bag. 180 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: Myers chases Henriquez back to the car and a gun 181 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 2: shot goes over. 182 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: Ems arrived around nine pm and Myers was pronounced dead 183 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: at the hospital. Detective de Leon arrived around nine point 184 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: fifteen pm, and, according to police reports that were not 185 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: presented a trial, eyewitnesses said that a man around six 186 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: feet tall grabbed the bag and returned to a dark 187 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: gray sedan. As Myers reached for the guy who robbed him, 188 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: the car pulled off toward Amsterdam Avenue and shots were fired. 189 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: The following day, the autopsy revealed stippling, suggesting a close 190 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: range shot with no impediments. It was determined that a 191 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: nine millimeter bullet passed through the back of his upper 192 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: right arm into the armpit, striking his lungs and heart. 193 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: The witnesses and trajectory suggest that the victim reach for 194 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the sedan's passenger side and was shot as the sidhan 195 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: pulled away. Yet the state's narrative had Meyers slapping the 196 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: windshield of a stationary vehicle and was shot with a 197 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: thirty eight caliber bullet through the windshield, which is simply 198 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: not supported by the facts, But that narrative didn't emerge 199 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: until September twentieth. Now, Jerome was back from New Jersey 200 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and was driving around Washington Heights near his old apartment 201 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: with Pedro Guzman. 202 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: No, this is what we did with party, smoke, marijuana, hangout, 203 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: look for girls. So we ended up driving down the 204 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 3: streets and we ended up coming into one hundred and 205 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: fifty eighth Street. While in the middle of the block, 206 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: a shootout happens. For what I was told, it was 207 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: over a drug spot. That they had, a crack spot 208 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: that they were fighting over. It was individuals from I 209 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: blocked Reginald Fraser his friends. 210 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: Yep, the same Reginald Fraser from the July fifteenth assault 211 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: was involved in a shootout over a crack spot in 212 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: which his friend Thomas Joe Long ran toward Amsterdam Avenue 213 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: with the one way flow of traffic on his right 214 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: and the buildings on his left. 215 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: The shot on the left shoulder and the shots supposedly 216 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: came from his right side of a car that was 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: riding along the streets, but his left shoulder is facing 218 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: the buildings as he's running towards Amsterdam. 219 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: Even though the bullet entering and exiting through his upper 220 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: left shoulder supported that the shooter was on the sidewalk. 221 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: The police radio reported that the shots came from a 222 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: white Sedan. The making model varied, but this play suspicion 223 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: on Jerome Curry and Petro Guzman, who were in a 224 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 1: white Nissan Maxima. 225 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: In the middle of this. We did what we thought 226 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: was logical at that moment, and we also sped out 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: of the block. The police are chasing us. You know, 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: even though the victims identified multiple different cars, it just 229 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: happened that our car was also white. Now, on that night, 230 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: we had a substantial amount of marijuana, and then we 231 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: ain't had no identification, no license, We didn't even have 232 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 3: paperwork for the car, even that the car was legit. 233 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: Guzman was driving, He panised him. He said, I'm not stopping. 234 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: I'm not stopping. I'm going. You know, I didn't try 235 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: to stop him. What I did was I tried to 236 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: get rid of the marijuana we had in the and 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: we just ran as much as we could. 238 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: They sped toward the Macomb's Damn Bridge on their way 239 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: back to the Bronx, but traffic from the Yankee Game 240 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: was backed up and the police pulled up right next 241 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: to them. 242 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: Kurr gets arrested with Guzman on September twentieth. 243 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: Somewhere in the area. The police found a gun. First, 244 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: they claimed that it was a three fifty seven, so 245 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: they put that on the reporter and said, well, we 246 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: found a gun and this gun belongs to you. Guys. 247 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: They never took any fingerprints off it, DNA anything, and 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 3: they said, well, this is your gun, and we tell 249 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: them this is not our gun from the beginning, this 250 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: is not our gun. This is not our gun. And 251 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: eventually Pedro Guzman started talking to the people. He said, well, 252 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 3: that's my friend gun and I gotta talk to you. 253 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 3: That's why he began to talk about the murder case. Well. 254 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Offending off suspicion in the attempted murder of Thomas Long, 255 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: it appears that Guzman decided to try to save himself 256 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: by cooperating, and at some point the three point fifty 257 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: seven Magnum became a thirty eight special. I guess the 258 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: police didn't know what kind of gun they allegedly found 259 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: dumped from Guzman's car. Nevertheless, Guzman started to spill real 260 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: information mixed in with the lies about the murder of 261 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Reginald Myers, which had occurred in the thirtieth precinct. 262 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: They called in the thirtieth precinct. This is when Detective 263 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: de Lyon get involved. Pedro Guzman admitted that him and 264 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: two of the individuals have been involved in that shooting 265 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: of Reginald Myers. They never mentioned me. Somehow they pressured 266 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: him and then he implicated me in the crime. 267 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: They take a statement from Guzman, not knowing that you know, 268 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: this guy now is trying to dig himself up out 269 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: of a really, really nefarious scenario. Here. Guzman's I know 270 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: about this other murder and Curry's involved with this murder. 271 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: Right basically says to de Leon that this thirty eight 272 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: killed Myers. Turns out that that thirty eight was not 273 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: the murder weapon in Myers. There was a deformed nine 274 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: millimeter bullet that was found in Meyer's body, and that 275 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: bullet was compared to the gun that was recovered in 276 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: connection with Curry's arrest on the night of September twentieth. 277 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: The NYPD's own ballistic expert concluded that that nine minilimeter 278 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: bullet could not have been fired from that thirty eight, 279 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: that there was no connection between that gun and Myers 280 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: at all. 281 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: But de Leon didn't know this information when he was 282 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: working on these statements, first with Guzman and then they 283 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: picked up Miguel Enriquez and lastly. 284 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: Jerome detected de Leon came in. This guy, him and 285 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: another Guydny Detected Crimes. We were kept in a freeze 286 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: and approximately forty eight hours, probably a little longer than that. 287 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: Things got really bad, but no, continue to deny my 288 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: involvement in it. The first thing they did was they 289 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: brung in big colored pictures of a victim and they 290 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: put them on the table. They were determined to get 291 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: a confession. Who say, you're going to tell um just 292 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: out of the story. You know, it got so bad 293 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: to the point where this detective Elpedio de Leon became 294 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: a bit physically, you know, I remember him getting off. 295 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: He went into a rage, punching and slapping me and 296 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: he said, we know you're not leaving here until you 297 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: tell us what we want to hear. You know. During 298 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: this process, they brought in a TV screen where the 299 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: DVD was BCR player and they continuously played the confession 300 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: that this guy edro Guzman had already given them and 301 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: gelhen Riquez that they implicated in this crime as well. 302 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: Enriquez and Guzmand both say that Enriquez jumps out of 303 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: the car takes the bag off of the victim, runs 304 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: back to the eighty six accurate dark gray four door, 305 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: and both of them say that the victim comes to 306 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: the front windshield, slaps it, and Jerome shoots through the 307 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: windshield and see that's the thing. The police could have 308 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: easily gone to the autopsy to see that there was 309 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: stippling on the body and automatically know that what Enriquez 310 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: Guzmana saying is false. 311 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: The windshield would have blocked any stippling at all from 312 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: landing on Reginald Myers. And in addition, the nine milimeter bullet, 313 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: not a three fifty seven or a thirty eight caliber, 314 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: but a nine milimeter bullet entered through the back upper 315 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: right arm and passed through the chest to the left. 316 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: There was no upward trajectory that one might expect to 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: have seen with a shot through the windshield. The shot, 318 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: in fact, entered the back upper right arm. This scenario 319 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: in which Jerome is the shooter simply defies reality. 320 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 3: And they can tell me just with people, they are saying, 321 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: you gotta give us a story, you gotta pay some 322 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: type of responsibility. And this went on for hours, like 323 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: I never knew how serious sleet the probation was, and 324 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: not drinking water, not having access to fool for so 325 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 3: long really meant into experience. Then they put me in 326 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: a line up. I may have found out that the 327 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: people that claimed that they see me at the crime 328 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 3: scene had identify a guy that was six feet to 329 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 3: six one. I'm only fist seven. 330 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: How can a guy be identified as being six to 331 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: one and be five to seven? 332 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: Taking in consideration that I was sitting down when they 333 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 3: made the identification with a bunch of other guys, so 334 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: they didn't even see me standing up to compare me 335 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: to the other. 336 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Individuals, you know, Oh wow, Okay, that's a whole I 337 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: never heard of a lineup sitting down. 338 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, on a bench, So that's how they made the identification. 339 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: So they said, well, you know, we got you. I 340 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: picked out of a line on there's people that seen 341 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: you there, and it was all line and it got 342 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: so bad that I just wanted to end it. I 343 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 3: ended up incriminating myself in this crime, even though I 344 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: was innocent, which is something that I have regreaded all 345 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: these years because I have to live with that. My 346 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: family had to live with that, you. 347 00:18:48,000 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: Know, listening to wrongful conviction. You can listen to this 348 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: and all the Lava for Good podcasts one week early 349 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: and ad free by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus 350 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. As far as we can tell, the 351 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: witnesses that viewed to sit down lineup were never heard 352 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: from again, but they served as an effective cudgel. They 353 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: got Jerome to sign a confession making him the shooter 354 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: for Reginald Fraser, Reginald Myers, and Thomas Long, but as 355 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: we've already pointed out, the statements were not corroborated by reality. 356 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: And then they brought in Reggie Fraser, who was both 357 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: the victim from July fifteenth as well as the witness 358 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: of the shooting in front of his crack spot, which 359 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: one can surmise made him open for cooperation when he 360 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: came in to view a lineup, especially when he's made 361 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: to believe that the guy who shot his friend Thomas 362 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: Long had been caught. 363 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: He said, badd came in and he saw my picture 364 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: on the detective's desk, and then he went into the 365 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: lineup and identified me. 366 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: There's also another version of events where someone else at 367 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: the thirty third Precinct, not Detective Primus, who was conducting 368 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: the lineup, but somebody else showed him Jerome's picture by mistake. 369 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Either way, Reggie Fraser made the id that was incentivised 370 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: by not only a blind eye to his drug activity, 371 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: but also just a few months before trial trigger warning, 372 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: thirty eight year old Reggie Fraser had been charged with 373 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: the rape of a thirteen year old child who became pregnant, 374 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: receiving a sentence of only one and a half to 375 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: three years. Meanwhile, Jerome had awaited his trials for about 376 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: that same amount of time on Riker's Island. His first 377 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: trial was for the July fifteenth assault of Fraser and 378 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: the attempted murder of Fraser's buddy Thomas Long. 379 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: Regulald Fraser, he testified that he seen a white car. 380 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: Somebody pointed a girl out of the window of the 381 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: car and started shooting at him or the group that 382 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 3: he was in. Long testified also, but he really didn't 383 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: provide much information. He just said that, you know, he's 384 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: seen a white car. He couldn't identify the car. He 385 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: don't even know where the shots came from. He just 386 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: said he heard a shot and he started running. And 387 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: of course, a confession for me an incriminating confession. 388 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: Now, as we've discussed, this alleged confession was about shooting 389 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: Thomas Long from the car, even though the bullet path 390 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: through Long's left shoulder placed the shooter on the sidewalk 391 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: in front of or behind him, not in a car 392 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: way off to his right, but none of this was 393 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: ever explained to the jury. Then they moved on to 394 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: the assault. 395 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: On July fifteen, Fraser said that he had a confrontation 396 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 3: with a guy on one hundred and fifty ninth Street 397 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 3: that he had never seen before at night, and the 398 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: guy shot him as he tried to run away. He said, yes, 399 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: he don't right there, sitting right there now. 400 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: Importantly, he reported that this was a blackmail, but changed 401 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: this description to hispanic mail and id Jerome an id 402 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: that he appears to have been incentivized and guided to 403 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: may He also testified to having cooperated in other prosecutions, 404 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: which could mean that he regularly traded testimony to maintain 405 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: his own freedom and was not thereby a reliable source. 406 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: But with Jerome's own statement corroborating this witness, he probably 407 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: didn't have a chance anyway, how didn't think so. 408 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: One is because I wasn't allowed to take the stand 409 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: and speak and defend myself and for representation that I had. 410 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: He never used his private investigator to go to the 411 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: ABBA and interview witnesses, and so I knew I was 412 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 3: in trouble. They came in and they just handed. 413 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: Out they'd on March seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight. Predictably, they 414 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: found him guilty in both cases, ultimately resulting in two 415 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: consecutive terms of twenty five and ten years for a 416 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: total of thirty five years. And then his second trial 417 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: for the Meyers murder began that August. 418 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: The only evidence against Jerome Curry is Guzman and Curry's statement. 419 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: Henrikuz does not testify a trial. He provides a statement 420 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: to Ba DeLeon, and interestingly, Henriquez and Guzman's statements almost 421 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: match identically, like almost word for word. We all have 422 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: different perception, Okay, so you're gonna have different versions of 423 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: the same event. Now that it's not going to contradict 424 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: each other, but it's going to be slightly different. You're 425 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: not going to have exactly the same statement right word 426 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: for word. That's not gonna happen. They don't write those statements. 427 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 2: Deleone does right. But Henriquez doesn't testify a trial. 428 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: No, he didn't testify. And he told me that. He said, listen, 429 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: even though I implicated you in this murder, I know 430 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: you wasn't there. They forced me to say these things 431 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: about are he said, Detective Lyon forced me. Crime is 432 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 3: you know. They put me in a room. They threatened 433 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: to hit me. This is a guy that never been arrested. 434 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: And he took a plee. He said, I'm not doing it. 435 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: He said, I'm not going to testify. I'd rather take 436 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: a plea offer. Just get on with my life and 437 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: do whatever amount of years I have to do before 438 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: I come in here and do that. And he never 439 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: testify either. He refused to testify. 440 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: I forget how much time he gets. He does do 441 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: a lot of time in prison. Enriquez, he does much 442 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: more time than Guzman does, who does cooperate. 443 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: I think he did about seven in some months. He 444 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 3: did less than what he was supposed to do, so 445 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 3: I don't know if they threw in a letter of 446 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: consideration in there for him. 447 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: And Guzman says that when Henriquez comes into the car, 448 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: the victim runs up to the front of the windshield 449 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: and slaps the windshield. 450 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: They said that he was standing in front by the 451 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: hood of the car with both hands raised in the 452 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: air in a position to strike the wing shield. So 453 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: that means that the bullet wood has struck him through 454 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: his left. 455 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: Side, and he says, Curry shoots through the front of 456 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: the windshield. And what we know from the autopsy report 457 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: is that they're stippling on the wound, which means two things. 458 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: That this is a close gunshot wound. The other thing 459 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 2: is there can't be an intermediate between the wound and 460 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: the gun, completely refutes what Guzman is saying. And it's 461 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: more that the victim, Myers, is running towards the car, 462 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: reaching into the car, and is shot into the side 463 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: of his body. 464 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: The autopsy says that the bullet entered through the back 465 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: of his upper right arm, then entered the chest under 466 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: the armpit, and traveled through the lungs and heart, which 467 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: further makes sense when you know that the car was 468 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: moving away from him. Picture of the car with the 469 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: passenger side pulled up to the curb, Enriquez darting back 470 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: into the car, Myer's lunging for him. The car pulls 471 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: away and the shot was fired, making that back of 472 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: the upper right arm through the chest trajectory possible. 473 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: Those ded files that said there were some witnesses that 474 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: said the car was already moving when Myers was shot. 475 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: Those deed files weren't turned over a trial because it 476 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: would have contradicted Guzman's trial testimony and Curry that the 477 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: shooting happens when the car is stationary. 478 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: The jury never heard how the States narrative was impossible, 479 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: nor did they hear from a single alibi witness. 480 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: Jerome's girlfriend and mother both said that he was in Trenton. 481 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: He has another guy named Figueroa. He was with Figaroa 482 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: at like a birthday party at the time in Trenton. 483 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 2: None of those people were called in Jerome's defense a trial. 484 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: The defense attorney essentially he relied on his ability to 485 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: cross examine Guzman and to basically say, hey, the thirty 486 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: eight is not in fact a murder weapon. And of 487 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: course Jerome gets convicted. 488 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Which is predictable considering that the jury heard Jerome's false statement, 489 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: So he got another twenty five year sentence. 490 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: At the moment, I did really comprehend who's going I 491 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: couldn't put together the sentence I just heard what I 492 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: hear by sentence you to twenty five a life, and 493 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: I started adding off for years and which turned the 494 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: entire sentence into sixty to life. Sixty to life. Yep. 495 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: But at that moment, everything just goes quiet, everything goes numb. 496 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: It's everything just going in slow motion. Then you go 497 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: up stay. At that age, you go up stay. They 498 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: send you all close to Canada, the Client and Correctional facility, 499 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: and you know, that's when you feel that, you know 500 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: it's over. You know, with all the histories and officers 501 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 3: killing prisoners and prisoners killing prisoners, you know, all the 502 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: violence and all the drugs and all everything that just 503 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: goes on in places life that it was horrible. You know, 504 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: there's no way to prepare for that. 505 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: While and during the worst of New York State prisoners, 506 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: Jerome began to learn the law, meanwhile receiving denials on 507 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: appeal until he filed his federal habeas petition. 508 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: They granted me a hearing, they said they he asked 509 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: the questions in two of them, where did my defense 510 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: council ever make an attempt to contact those witnesses that 511 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 3: described me as being sixty to one? And if he 512 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: didn't whether that deficiency affected the trial, so they vacated 513 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: that conviction and sent it back to the district court. 514 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: And when I got a hearing, I wasn't as prepared. 515 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't as educated. I really didn't know 516 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: the law as much as I know now. So when 517 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: I went to the hearing, the magistrate judge, which is 518 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: a guy named Andrew Peck, he was very tough and 519 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: instead of answering the questions or having the question answered 520 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: by the second Circuit, he turned it around and made 521 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 3: it into whether I asked my counsel to call these witnesses. 522 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: But I was not the question by the court. They 523 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: asked whether his deficient performance in calling these witnesses affected 524 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: the trial, and he'd never addressed that. He turned it 525 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 3: around and found a way that to not the motion 526 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: based on that. He said, oh, well, you never asked 527 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: him to call these witnesses, which I did, by the way, 528 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: I testified at the hearing, and I said, yes, I 529 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: did ask them multiple times. You know, I was very 530 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: interested in hearing from these witnesses that described me as 531 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: being six' one and then you, know HERE i am 532 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: at five, Seven and he never called Them. 533 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: In while these witness descriptions in The meyers case likely 534 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: referred To Miguel, enriquez those same witnesses allegedly Identified jerome 535 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: while he was, Seated but regardless of how problematic all 536 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: of that, is the judge still found a way to 537 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: deny the. Claim the next bit of progress came With 538 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: justin's involvement in twenty, sixteen when he did What jerome's 539 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: trial attorney never, did an actual, investigation starting with alibi 540 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: witnesses Like Eduardo. 541 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: FIGUEROA i knowed this guy for, years and my mother 542 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: had ran into his family his father In, Trenton New, 543 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: jersey so his father gave him the. Number he immediately 544 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: traveled up here AND i haven't seen this guy in 545 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: aboutly twenty five, years and he was shocked to hear 546 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: THAT i have been in call made a full crime 547 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: to happen when we were together In, Trenton New. Jersey SO. 548 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: Figureo it gives an affidavids That jerome was at a 549 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: party In trenton at the time of the, homicide And 550 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: jerome's mother and girlfriend both say during that week right 551 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 2: that he was down In. 552 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: Trenton he also did a reinvestigation of The meyers crime 553 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: scene with two forensic, pathologists Doctors Thomas kubick And Cyril, 554 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: weck the latter of whom is such a legendary. FIGURE 555 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: i mean he actually worked The kennedy assassination and countless 556 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: other cases since. 557 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: Then Doctor wek has probably been involved with over fifty thousand, 558 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: autopsies and he gave the report back in twenty twenty. 559 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: Two and Doctor kuick basically says the same thing as Doctor. 560 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 2: Wex so we have two experts that basically say That 561 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: guzman's trial testimony And enriquez's statement are physically. 562 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: Impossible everything we've been saying about how the ballistics contradict 563 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the state's evidence comes from. Them and as we've already, 564 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Mentioned justin also got an affidavid From Miguel enriquez saying 565 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: That jerome was never involved in any. Way, so As 566 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: justin has, said his initial focus is The meyers, case 567 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: which he has now fully. Dismantled the only way this 568 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: could be better would be If guzman reappeared from The 569 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Dominican republic to corroborate everything we already know well enough 570 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: even without. Him and then there's the state star witness 571 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: from the first trial none other Than Reggie. 572 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: FRASER i found on a foil request in recent. YEARS 573 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 3: i think it was in twenty seventeen or, eighteen with 574 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: the help of a friend of, Mine this, Guy Reginald, 575 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: fraser gave two different, descriptions but that was never turned. 576 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: OVER i just recently found that. 577 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Out and this is When jerome finally knew what we've 578 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: been saying About fraser's credibility. Issues, then once, again contrary 579 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: To fraser's, testimony the ballistics In long's case proved that 580 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: the shooter must have been on the sidewalk and not 581 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: in a passing White. Sedan and the backdrop For fraser's 582 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: participation in both trials is the police ignoring his drug 583 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: trafficking while giving him a sweetheart deal for his rape. 584 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: Charge while we still don't have definitive proof That jerome 585 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't Shoot fraser in the ass On july, fifteenth nineteen ninety, 586 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: six we do have the word of a thirty eight 587 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: year old man who impregnated a thirteen year old. Child in, 588 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: Addition jerome has said in writing that he's ready and 589 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: willing to submit TO dna testing to exclude himself from 590 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: the thirty Eight while that weapon is excluded from The meyers. 591 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Case it's just one more corroboration that he was not 592 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: involved in the other two incidents in which the police 593 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: say that gun was. Involved so Hopefully justin's going to 594 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: be able to obtain that testing as well as additional 595 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: info further Discrediting. Fraser in the, meantime they're awaiting the 596 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: decision on the four to forty motion in The meyers. 597 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: Case and WHAT i believe is you'll have to take 598 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: one piece at a time. Here and what we know 599 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: is one of his, convictions at the very least is, 600 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: wrong and it's the most serious, conviction and it shows 601 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: this conviction and shows it is a testament that the 602 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: other convictions that he has are at the very least 603 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: highly highly, problematic and that they just went all out didn't. 604 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: Care they used coercive, tactics they manufactured, evidence they just didn't. 605 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: Care SO i don't want to move on anything Until i'm. 606 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: Sure and WHAT i am very very certain about is 607 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: That Jerome curry did not Kill Reginald, myers and he 608 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: was not there When Reginald myers was. Killed and we 609 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 2: have a person that's in the, Car Miguel enriquez is 610 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: now saying That Jerome curry wasn't even in the. Car 611 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't, there wasn't president at. All and he's admitting 612 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: THAT i was, THERE i took the. Bag he's admitting 613 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: his involvement in the. Murder he's admitting, it and he's 614 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: Saying curry had nothing to do with. It and we have. 615 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: Alibis and the QUESTION i have is is what part 616 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: of this case isn't isn't covered by the evidence that 617 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: we put in that. Motion why aren't we working with 618 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office when they discover that you have a 619 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: detective that has a, Pattern we've begun to establish a. 620 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: Pattern THE fbi says a serial killer is defined by 621 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: what two or more. MURDERS i think it is that's the. Definition. 622 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: Here we know That deleone beat at least one person 623 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: found guilty of that internally from THE, nypd and that 624 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 2: The New York County District attorney's office has made allegations 625 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: that he fabricated and manufactured evidence in another case that 626 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: led to an exoneration of All i'm. In shouldn't we 627 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: now begin to look at EVERYTHING Ba deleone. Does BUT 628 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 2: i could tell YOU i spoke to him About jerome's, 629 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: case and he still believes that that thirty eight was 630 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: the murder. Weapon it's in his. Notes it's in his. 631 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 2: Notes he still believes. That and he told me techniques 632 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: that he used to get people to identify people in 633 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: photo rays and lineups and things like. That, basically in six, 634 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: packs he would put people in two and, five and 635 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 2: in lineups he would push people into three and four 636 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: because people go to the middle the lineup, first and 637 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 2: that increased the chance of identification. Exponentially and then he 638 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: had techniques about. Confessions, Obviously jerome knows about the confessions 639 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: better THAN i. DO i don't THINK i was WITH 640 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 2: ba for over forty hours. 641 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: STRAIGHT i sincerely hope that The manhattan DA's office takes 642 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: a hard look at this. Case you've got two incidents 643 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: in which the ballistics Cleared Jerome curry and expose the 644 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: false testimony of the victim from another incident who appears 645 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: to have had plenty to gain from. Cooperating so now with, 646 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: that let's go to closing. Arguments i'm been the first 647 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: thank you guys for being here and sharing this incredibly important. 648 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: Story so with, That i'm going to turn off my 649 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: microphone and kick back in my chair and just listen 650 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: to anything else you have to. Say justin let's start 651 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: with you and then hand it off To jerome and 652 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: he'll take us off into the. 653 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: Sunset once you see one of these tainted investigations where 654 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 2: the cops don't, care you then have to look at 655 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: the other. Ones the DA's office even has more information 656 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 2: on lpdo De. Leone i'm still fighting for the rest 657 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 2: of the information about his, involvement and his involvement is 658 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: only in The meyers, case but the other detectives that 659 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: were involved in the other two cases were feeding off of. 660 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: Him they were obligated even twenty eight years ago to 661 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 2: turn over the fact THAT ba had abused another. Witness, 662 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 2: okay they were obligated when they Exonerated Jabbar walker to 663 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: turn over their findings In november of twenty twenty, three 664 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: where lpdo De leone was the lead. Investigator and here 665 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: every single piece of evidence Against Jerome curry was tainted 666 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: by confirmation, bias contextual bias by police officers that thought 667 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: that their intuition took them to the right, person by 668 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: witnesses that were willing to say whatever they had to 669 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 2: say to get out of. Jail AND i know that's 670 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: a common, theme but here we can prove that physical 671 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 2: eviden and, said we can, prove we can prove that 672 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: your Own curry was, held even by the NYPD's own, 673 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: admission for well over a, day over thirty, hours by 674 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: the NYPD's own, admission they kept him and interrogate him 675 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: over and over and over again until they got the 676 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 2: information out of him that they, wanted not, true factual, 677 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 2: information not information that was corroborated by the physical. Evidence 678 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 2: and that's WHAT i want people to. Understand the police's 679 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: own techniques saying that the physical evidence should match the 680 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: statement of the person that's. Confessing we don't have any 681 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: of that. Here there's not one piece of evidence that's 682 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 2: used to convict your Own, curvey The Reginald myer's case that's, 683 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 2: reliable not. 684 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 3: ONE i want to address your, listeners those that are 685 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 3: familiar with the criminal justice, system as well as those 686 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: that are, not you, know as well as The Manhattan 687 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 3: District attorney's office and even the judge you, know who's 688 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 3: Passion i'm seeking and improving my innocent in this case 689 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 3: that is before her, president you, know in her office right. 690 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 3: Now as far AS i, know no one is above 691 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 3: the law in this, country and the cornerstone of our 692 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 3: constitutional law stays a normal one is above the. Law 693 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 3: and this includes members of The District attorney's office In 694 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 3: manhattan as well as law. Enforcement now people may not know, 695 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: this but in emotion such as the one that my 696 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 3: attorney put together and submitted to the core that is 697 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 3: for requesting a new trial based on newly discover, evidence 698 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 3: it's the judge has a duty or is required conduct 699 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: a careful and dispassionate examination of the facts has presented 700 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: in the papers that we, submitted and most, importantly the 701 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: application of the law to those, facts which is what 702 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 3: we have been. Requested we are requested that the law 703 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 3: is applied to the facts that we have presented and 704 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 3: all our. Submissions that's, it you, KNOW i want emphasized 705 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: that from the, outset from the inception of my criminal 706 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 3: prosecutions have always claimed my innocence and as it is 707 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 3: demonstrated the reinvestigation of my case as well as the 708 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 3: large amount of compelling newly discover everye this that it 709 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 3: is attached to the four to forty motion that is 710 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 3: pending right now In New york kind Of Supreme. Court 711 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 3: my role for conviction was the result of sufficient representation 712 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 3: by my trial, attorney by the suppression of a squad 713 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 3: that told. Me ever it is by The Mahaman District attorney's, 714 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 3: office AND i think also very importantly by the outrageous 715 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 3: misconda and corrupt investigative techniques Of Detective opedia The. Lyon 716 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 3: Detective lyon has an expensive career history of engaging in 717 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 3: action misconda and using corrupt investigative practices against criminal defenders 718 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 3: and suspense for approximately twenty eight. YEARS i have been 719 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: claiming that it's very sane actions wisconda were used against 720 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 3: me By Detective. Apitia The lyon forced me to make 721 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: a terminating confection against myself and the crime THAT i 722 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,959 Speaker 3: did not. Commit just Like Yabaul, WALKER i am also 723 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 3: one hundred percent, innocent And i'm just requested for justice 724 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: to be delivered in my favor and for the application 725 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 3: of the law through the facts of my case to be. 726 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 3: Implemented you, Know i'm. INNOCENT i just want my day in, 727 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 3: court AND i want to be able to prove my 728 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 3: innocence AND i would like to be exonerated from his. 729 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: Crime thank you for listening To Wrongful. Conviction you can 730 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: listen to this and all The lava For good podcasts 731 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: one week early by subscribing To lava For Good plus 732 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: On Apple. PODCASTS i want to thank our production, Team 733 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: Connor hall And Kathleen, fink as well as my fellow 734 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: executive Producers Jeff, Kempler Kevin, wartis And Jeff. Cliburn the 735 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: music in this production was supplied by three TIME oscar 736 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: nominated Composer Jay. 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