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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets

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Speaker 2: Up Podcast, the official podcast of the New York Mets.

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Speaker 2: Episode number one forty eight, and you know what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna say. It's the first official episode.

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Speaker 1: Of the offseason.

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Speaker 2: You guys have been waiting since we got knocked out

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs for us to talk about the offseason,

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Speaker 2: and you are getting it today. We're talking about free agents.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about guys that the Mets maybe have to resign,

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Speaker 2: maybe they don't resign, maybe guys that they go after.

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Speaker 2: We're covering the entire off season today in one of

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Speaker 2: the episodes that's gonna happen. I mean, we're gonna be

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Speaker 2: talking about the off season for a long time. You're

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Speaker 2: gonna be hearing a lot of the names that we say,

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Speaker 2: but today's gonna be the first of that. So hope

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Speaker 2: you guys are excited. We're excited to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: The twenty twenty three season has officially started as of today.

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Speaker 2: further ado, James, how we feeling, James.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good. We just had a nice pre show

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Speaker 3: meeting with the whole team. Yeah, some contracts have been

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Speaker 2: Let's just let's start off with the one that I

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Speaker 2: gonna be Edwin Dias. The trumpets can play those trumpets

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Speaker 2: for us, Dude, he's back.

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Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz is back. I love it.

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Speaker 3: And this was something that came out like in such

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Speaker 3: hilarious fashion first movie of the off season, like during

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Speaker 3: then the grumpy Mets fans being like, oh, we gave

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Speaker 3: him too many years and too much money, and then

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Speaker 3: people from the outside being like, o mg, Mets fail.

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Speaker 3: You gave the biggest reliever contract ever. So it was like,

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Speaker 3: it's hilarious that a contract that happened during an NFL

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Speaker 1: But it did because that's the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, like you said, it is a record breaking deal.

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Speaker 2: It's the largest contract ever given to a relief pitcher,

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Speaker 2: He's been the best reliever in baseball. I think we

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Speaker 3: Edwin has basically been the best reliever in baseball since

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Speaker 3: good in like twenty seventeen. Twenty eighteen. The only thing

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Speaker 3: And also it's worth comparing this contract to other contracts

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Speaker 3: So it was ten million this year at age thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not my money, not my money money, I

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Speaker 2: Fine by me, Fine by me, I will. You won't

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Speaker 3: And again we'll reiterate, if not for the twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it. They lost it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those moves that I don't know

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Speaker 3: that numbers ten who I just gave Those are guys

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Speaker 3: in the team the whole year. Then Michael Gibbons, Tyler Naquin.

441
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Speaker 3: So that makes it so I don't know if it's

442
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Speaker 3: ten or twelve. I could have fund how we got eleven,

443
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:03,760
Speaker 3: which is kind of funny.

444
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,399
Speaker 2: Probably was the DS thing probably just counted out Das.

445
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably after you got Yeah, yeah, that's a

446
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,000
Speaker 2: good point.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But no matter what, that's a crap ton of guys.

448
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Speaker 3: Who you have is free agency, your team the only

449
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,280
Speaker 3: mess of the most reagents on all baseball. Remember if

450
00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,800
Speaker 3: you just said that, but Dodgers Yankees next. Yep, that

451
00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,800
Speaker 3: those guys I just named combined for over twenty f

452
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Speaker 3: war this past season. And if you could really glean

453
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Speaker 3: from what I'm saying, they're basically all pitchers. Actually they

454
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Speaker 3: are all pitchers, not basically except for Brandon Nemo. And

455
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Speaker 3: that's nine hundred innings, nine hundred major league innings that

456
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Speaker 3: the Mets are losing, not losing, but just don't have

457
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,920
Speaker 3: right now. In terms of this free agent list, that's

458
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Speaker 3: a lot. That's a lot you gotta build.

459
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Speaker 2: Back, No, one hundred percent. And I mean I think

460
00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,879
Speaker 2: there's gonna be guys that come back. Obviously, it's no

461
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,880
Speaker 2: idea whether not gonna be able to bring everybody back,

462
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Speaker 2: whatever it is. But this, I mean, the group of

463
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Speaker 2: guys that the Mets have that are leaving along with

464
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Speaker 2: the free agent class, I just feel like this free

465
00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,600
Speaker 2: agent market in general feels a little bit robust on

466
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Speaker 2: the pitching side, would you say.

467
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say robust, but I would say that it's

468
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Speaker 3: it's more plentiful than I think people are giving a

469
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Speaker 3: credit for. I think there's a more there's a more

470
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Speaker 3: beefy middle tier than years past.

471
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Speaker 1: That's okay. So that's where I was gonna say.

472
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Speaker 2: It was because I made a video about this recently

473
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Speaker 2: on my YouTube channel, and I was talking about how

474
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Speaker 2: the top tier of pictures, there's the guys that you

475
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Speaker 2: all know. You have the Jacob de Gram, you have

476
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,959
Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw, Carlos Rodin, and my Justin Verlander. Those are

477
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Speaker 2: like the clear top cut of this. But then there

478
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Speaker 2: is a list of probably about thirty to forty pictures

479
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Speaker 2: that all are going to be in a rotation next year,

480
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Speaker 2: are all going to help a team, and are all

481
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Speaker 2: good to not great you know.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I mean those guys we have notes

483
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Speaker 3: ready for all of them, so we're gonna get into

484
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Speaker 3: them as much as this episode lets us. But I

485
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Speaker 3: do think there's going to be a bit of an

486
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Speaker 3: opportunity to buy up some of these guys early, because

487
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Speaker 3: I think that a lot of this market's going to

488
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Speaker 3: get stalled by de gram judge. I guess Rodan, probably Verlander,

489
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Speaker 3: and probably Trey Turner. And we've seen years past that

490
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Speaker 3: there's always going to be a couple guys who just

491
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Speaker 3: want to jump the market, let it go, get it

492
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Speaker 3: over with. Those guys usually aren't agents by Scott Boris,

493
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Speaker 3: So we don't know how long it's gonna take with

494
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Speaker 3: Brandon Nemo, but there is an opportunity of buying opportunity here,

495
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Speaker 3: and this next week is free agency actually officially begins.

496
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Speaker 3: I believe it's Thursday, right correct.

497
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Speaker 2: The day that this episode drops. I know we normally

498
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Speaker 2: drop on Wednesday morning for you guys, we did it

499
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Speaker 2: on Thursday just because it's an off season episode and

500
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Speaker 2: some things have been going on here.

501
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Speaker 1: But today, the day that you're listening out Onnesday afternoon,

502
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Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, we don't know.

503
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Speaker 2: But the day that you're listening to this, we're assuming

504
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Speaker 2: it's Thursday. I'm gonna know, how about this. If it's Thursday,

505
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Speaker 2: November eleventh, teams can start negotiating with free agents that

506
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Speaker 2: were not on their team last year. So that means

507
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Speaker 2: the Mets can go negotiate with a Trey Turner or

508
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Speaker 2: that means that another negotiate theoretically, theoretically allegedly allegedly, or

509
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Speaker 2: another team can negotiate with a brand Nemo.

510
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Speaker 1: Jacob Gigrop. That's that's what we want to tell you.

511
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Speaker 2: We also have to tell you right now that we

512
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Speaker 2: know nothing. I know, we're associated with the Mets and

513
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: we're the official podcast. We don't even have an IOA.

514
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Speaker 2: The information I wish we did. I wish saying if

515
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Speaker 2: we did, we had some Jewish I wish we had

516
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 2: some insider information to be sick.

517
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Speaker 3: Eventually, maybe we'll be folded into some of these deep

518
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Speaker 3: dense types of discussions. We're always open to Philly Uplin

519
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure he is listening, like we're always ready

520
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Speaker 3: to give takes, give them, give some analysis.

521
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Speaker 2: He never wants to, you know, come and just throw

522
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Speaker 2: some ideas at a wall. We're that wall. We're we're

523
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 2: cool for a brainstorm, stash, give us a whiteboard or something.

524
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Speaker 2: Mapping up the roster, like the guys in Moneyball. I'll

525
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Speaker 2: tell you this, I've been pretty good with draft picks.

526
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Speaker 2: I've been I've been pretty cash money. You've been cash

527
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Speaker 2: money with the random pitchers that are just gonna pop off,

528
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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to hear those guys.

529
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Speaker 1: Are gonna be this year.

530
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Speaker 3: I have a couple of bizarre guys on this list

531
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Speaker 3: that I made up for this But we this is

532
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Speaker 3: a lot of Mets fans. I feel like that there's

533
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Speaker 3: like two groups of Mets fans going to this offseason.

534
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Speaker 3: The ones who expect literally every single thing in the

535
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Speaker 3: world the ones who expect absolutely nothing. And I think

536
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Speaker 3: that we're gonna be blessed by finding ourselves somewhere in

537
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Speaker 3: the middle. We don't know how the team is going

538
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Speaker 3: to handle the like the amount of money they're gonna spend,

539
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Speaker 3: or where they're going to spend it pitching versus hitting

540
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Speaker 3: bullpen and starting because there are that there's a lot

541
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Speaker 3: of open rosterpots in this team a ton, and the

542
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Speaker 3: Mets are probably gonna have to get a little bit creative.

543
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Speaker 2: We don't know anything about trades yet. We didn't even

544
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Speaker 2: talk about trades before this episode because we don't know

545
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Speaker 2: any way they can go what kind of players are

546
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Speaker 2: gonna be available this time the off season trades kind

547
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Speaker 2: of come out of nowhere anyway, Like we do know

548
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Speaker 2: that uh perryman Asian was saying that show he Tani

549
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: will not be trade this offseason.

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Perry will.

551
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Speaker 2: Sound that sounds like something that someone would say, Well,

552
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Speaker 2: he's thinking about trading somebody. Yeah, exactly, might even be

553
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Speaker 2: the GM if they sell the team.

554
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Speaker 1: Don't care. He's just saying that right now. He doesn't

555
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Speaker 1: want to be the guy who trades him.

556
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Speaker 3: It's also like, as a team like that, a team

557
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: that's bad and going to be bad, you need to

558
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: put asses in the seats.

559
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Speaker 2: Yes, nothing sells tickets like saying yeah, we're gonna trade

560
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 2: show Hey, nothing kills your leverage, Like we're looking to

561
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Speaker 2: move the best player in baseball. How to not sell

562
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Speaker 2: season tickets? We're gonna trade the most unique talent this

563
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: game has ever seen in a place where the weather's

564
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: always nice. You want to get people from you know

565
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Speaker 2: what happened the last time someone like Showani got traded? No,

566
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Speaker 2: it was it was a literal curse on the one

567
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Speaker 2: hundred yearbox.

568
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: So but flip side of that spin zone.

569
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Speaker 2: A great play was made, A great play was made,

570
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Speaker 2: one hundred great play was made. That team has been

571
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Speaker 2: pretty good the last twenty years, So I don't really

572
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Speaker 2: care what he was worth from Yeah, I can't. I

573
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Speaker 2: can't deal with one hundred year curse because we'll be dead.

574
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Speaker 2: I can't do that. We will not make It's not

575
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Speaker 2: our team.

576
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Speaker 1: It's not our team. So it actually doesn't matter.

577
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Speaker 2: I can't make sure Bill the Angels not winning for

578
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Speaker 2: one hundred years.

579
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Speaker 1: I don't care.

580
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff right now. So I guess

581
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Speaker 2: we're talking about the big names because thats what people

582
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Speaker 2: want to hear.

583
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Speaker 1: Let's let's hit the big names. Let's do it all right.

584
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Speaker 3: So first big name that actually was in a in

585
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Speaker 3: a very away rumor that we are in no way corroborating.

586
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Speaker 3: On this show, someone talked about Trey Turner being like

587
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Speaker 3: a potential option.

588
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Speaker 2: And Turner is a potential option. I would say for

589
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Speaker 2: thirty teams in baseball. You know what, He's incredible. What

590
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: do you mean at least that's that's awesome. He everyone

591
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: in the MPB and the KBLO, whatever baseball leagues exist,

592
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Speaker 2: the Italian League, we have that stuff coming out with Omar.

593
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Speaker 2: The Italian thing should be all over Trey Turner if

594
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Speaker 2: they can muster up the money. Before we talk about

595
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Speaker 2: trade turned do you see the video that got released,

596
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Speaker 2: the hype video.

597
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: No, you didn't see this. You know what you're talking about.

598
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: CIA released a hype video. It's like a five minute

599
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: montage like sizzle reel of Trey Turner voiced over by

600
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: John ham just reading out his accolades over his career,

601
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: what he's done the last few years. And it was

602
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: like saying things like Trey Turner can not only hit

603
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: the baseball hard, but he plays a great shortstop and

604
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: runs fast, like those kind of things, and I was like,

605
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Speaker 2: I left. I watched the entire thing and I left

606
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: date like confused and cringing a little bit. But I'm

607
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: also like, it's kind of sick because Dray Turner's so

608
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: awesome and boy would I love him on my team.

609
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Speaker 3: I would do anything for it. Get like a John

610
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 3: ham narration about myself too, John Hamil yeah, oh, John

611
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Speaker 3: Hamm's a legend.

612
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Speaker 2: Little sneak a little f bomb in there the first

613
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Speaker 2: episode of the off season.

614
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Speaker 1: Having too much fun.

615
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 3: But I mean Turner, Turner is like, unmistakably one of

616
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Speaker 3: the best players in baseball. I have a friend Shadow Luke,

617
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 3: who like, for years he was like, I'm betting trade

618
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: Turner and win the MVP every single year because at

619
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Speaker 3: some point's going to happen. I had a great trade

620
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Speaker 3: turner future during the twenty twenty one season.

621
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Speaker 1: I had a chance.

622
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: He became the favorite at the point in August when

623
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: he got really hot at the Dodgers trait, and I

624
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: had a point to cash it out for money, and

625
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: I didn't because I got greedy, and I should have.

626
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: That was stupid hand up on me.

627
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: But if you go back to twenty nineteen, the only

628
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: player with more war than trade turners Aaron Judge. He's

629
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Speaker 3: got eighty homers in the last Like, I guess one

630
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Speaker 3: of these is to strike short, and so I'm not

631
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Speaker 3: even going to try to do that mental math right now.

632
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: But since twenty nineteen, at three eleven, three sixty one

633
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: five oho nine slash one thirty three WRC plus, he.

634
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Speaker 2: Still he plays like good defensive short. It's not really

635
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: great at this point. It's like quite good.

636
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Speaker 1: Though.

637
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: He'll be a great second basement if push came to shove.

638
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: He's still only twenty nine years old. He's still the

639
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: fastest guy in baseball, so the physical tools are absolutely

640
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: not to tier inning in any way. He's one of

641
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: the best players in baseball completely in his prime and

642
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: is a bonafide surefire MVP candidate every single moment that

643
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: he ever plays.

644
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Speaker 2: Like you said, every team is going to be in

645
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: on this guy. There are a lot of teams that

646
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: could win use a shortstop. There's a lot of teams

647
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: that could use a second basement. There's a lot of

648
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: teams that could use wherever Trade Turner could possibly play.

649
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: I think if you're a Met fan, remember every rumor

650
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: with a grain of salt. Take everything for exactly what

651
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: it is, a rumor. Don't necessarily think that there's any

652
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: truth behind a lot of the stuff that you see.

653
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: But if you are a Mets fan, I think you

654
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: should be.

655
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: You should be.

656
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: Welcoming trade Turner if he were to come to this

657
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: team with open arms. Like I saw a lot of

658
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: conversations like, well we have lind Or, we have McNeil, Like, yeah,

659
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: we have good players, let's get another one. Well, you

660
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: will find spots for guys. That is not going to

661
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: ever be the problem of we have too many good players.

662
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: No one's ever said that when.

663
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: The Dodgers traded for trade Turner they had Mookie Bets

664
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: and and who I'm thinking I'm missing Cory Seeger like

665
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: the team was was plenty okay in the positions that

666
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: trade Turner could play and it really didn't matter.

667
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he would be. He would be absolutely sick. Realistically,

668
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: probably not the guy that is the most focused on

669
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 2: I would think if I was the GM, it wouldn't

670
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: be my most focus.

671
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: And pure speculation.

672
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: I think it's just the fact that we just named

673
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: all of those pachers who who are not on the

674
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: Mets roster at this given moment. Nine hundred innings of

675
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 3: nine hundred major league innings from last year's roster currently

676
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: not associated with the team.

677
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: So to me, it makes.

678
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: Sense that there's probably going to be a focus on

679
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: pitching rather than hitting.

680
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: But like again, if.

681
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: An MVP can't like Trey Turner comes into your lap,

682
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: you can't really say no. And now I kind of

683
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: want to discuss Trey Turner's college teammate, Carlos Rodon. Yes,

684
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: who's someone who I think is incredibly interesting, someone who

685
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: became one of the best pitchers in baseball over the

686
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: last two years. Pitcher with the best whiff rate and

687
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: afforcing fastball in all of baseball, and that's from the

688
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: left side. He is He is literally unbelievable.

689
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a really interesting article written by someone

690
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: that had Carlos Roddano had top ten free agent targets

691
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: that met should hapen is Carlos Roddan was tenth, behind

692
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: Robert Suarez, a reliever, Robert Suarez behind justin behind some

693
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: crazy names. Carlos Carey was also I think ninth on

694
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: this one. Carlos rodon outside of Jacob de Gram, is

695
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: the next best available starting pitcher.

696
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: On the market.

697
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: He's I don't know what he has to do to

698
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: get that respect from the common folk, but I feel

699
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: like at least the people who know baseball have seen

700
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Carlos Rodan go, oh, yeah, this guy's really good.

701
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: What is that that was?

702
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: But Chata, I'm gonna go out in the limits of

703
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: the Carls Rodan's like very I mean, we're probably gonna

704
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: work on your picture ranking soon, like is around December.

705
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: He's definitely he's one of the ten best pictures in

706
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: baseball pretty clearly, possibly even one of the five best, and.

707
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: Especially after he had this past season with the Giants,

708
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: because me and you talked about it last year when

709
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: we wanted Carlos Roddan that it was one hundred and

710
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: twenty innings and he fizzled out towards the end, and.

711
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: He fizzled out dramatically.

712
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: His velocity completely fell off a cliff in August, and

713
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: it completely fell apart in the postseason. But this year different.

714
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: He threw one hundred and eighty innings this year, which

715
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: is way more than he threw last year, and he

716
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: was killer all season long.

717
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull up his velocity stuff right now just

718
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: to completely like make sure of that. But Arles Horoddan

719
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: is is incredible and like lucky for us, like we

720
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: were blessed to have some actual connections with mister Roddan.

721
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: So he went to dinner with Carlos Roddan. Wolenski picked

722
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: up the tab. What a legend.

723
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: Mark went to dinner with Carlos Roddan. He I mean

724
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: his lost Actually September was best VLO month the whole year.

725
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: That's kind of unbelievable when I tell you that.

726
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: But the best insight I could give you about Carlos

727
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Horoddan is the dude loves playing baseball, is ready to pitch,

728
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: wants to win, and wants to get paid what he deserves.

729
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's completely fair, you know.

730
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: And he deserves a lot Carlos Roddan And this is

731
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: also he's twenty nine years old after some injury real seasons,

732
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: but coming off one of the best seasons in the

733
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: whole game six point two f four twelve case per nine.

734
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Just like an unbelievable talent.

735
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: He needs this big contract, like this is good, this

736
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: is it's hilarious because coming off the Giants, but this

737
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 3: is gonna be. This is gonna be Kevin Gassman from

738
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: last year. He's looking for five, six or seven years

739
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: north of twenty five million per could sneak into thirty

740
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: just depending on how the market shakes out, Like this

741
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: is gonna be the big contract that gets given out

742
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: this winter from the pitching side. And I don't know

743
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: if anyone else is even gonna come close to comparing,

744
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: because the other guys who mentioned are old or have

745
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: the big question marks some guys will talk about later.

746
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: So Radon is the Marquis piece. Radn's a frontline star either.

747
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: He's the kind of guy who can win you a

748
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: World Series if the chips break right, and it'd be

749
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: it'd be cool if he was on our team.

750
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt no doubt.

751
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: You talk about aces available on the market, he's definitely

752
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: one of the two three two three.

753
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think soft soft four?

754
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: Okay, softwour with including Kershaw still and that crazy kirshaf

755
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: when he.

756
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Pitched, he still an ace, but just we don't know.

757
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's throwing one hundred and twenty innings

758
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: the last few years. Kershawn and Verlander obviously gonna both

759
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: be available on this market. Don't necessarily know what their

760
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: stuff's gonna look like. Also, I think Verlander could technically

761
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: still pick up a player option forth like twenty five

762
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: million with the Astros. I could see him doing that.

763
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, it depends how he's feeling.

764
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: We don't know. The guy a cool guy to know

765
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: as well.

766
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like justin Berlin or maybe him and Kate

767
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: that video ar k Up didn't flipping off the Phillies fans,

768
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: by the way, is an all timer.

769
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

770
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: Also, her go ballistic with the Fox guys after they

771
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: won ye with with with their daughter or one of

772
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: their kids, I don't remember who was just like Holden

773
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: being like we won and that's great.

774
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: Girl. She looks like she has a good time. Yeah,

775
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: rather die.

776
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: So those are Turner and Rodonna, the two Marque guys,

777
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: Verlander Kershaw, two guys and along with the gram who

778
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: are what.

779
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: You call like Martyr's basically not Martyr's. What's the word marquis? No,

780
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: it's not that. What do you explain what you're trying

781
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: to mercenaries?

782
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: Okay, they're coming in, they're coming in for not that

783
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: long of a time, but they're coming into a lot

784
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: of good work.

785
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Sure, all right, I'll take that. Yeah, they're coming in,

786
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: they're coming in hot. Yeah.

787
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: And then and then there's the next tier of pitching,

788
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: which I guess we're just gonna flip through them all now.

789
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, let's just talk about it now. Since we're

790
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: on the topic of pitching.

791
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: There's there's there's a nice fat second tier here and

792
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: it concludes some guys who you might think around this tier,

793
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: you might not think around this tier. This tier is

794
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: I would say, led by Chris Bassett definitely of reliable

795
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: plus effective plus you know, just trustworthy as another word

796
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: for reliable, because I want to really hammer home how

797
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: how much he is so like he he had such

798
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: a good year with the Mess this season one hundred

799
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: eighty innings, was eleventh in the NL. He had less

800
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: than he already under three at home. He just he

801
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: gives up so much soft contact like he's he's he

802
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: is a guy who would be great to have. I

803
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: know a lot of people sour on him for the

804
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: way the year ended, but I don't know. It's like

805
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: guys have cold streaks. His could streak cap in the

806
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: bad time.

807
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't let that completely impale the way you view

808
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: Chris Bassett as a pitcher. We talked about him and

809
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: nauseam this year's kitchen sink, color, slyder sinker, fastball, curveball,

810
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: like he.

811
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Just throws it all. He has it all.

812
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: He is is i'd say, the least risky pitcher on

813
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: this market who's not part of the top tier.

814
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: Do you agree least risky that's not a part of

815
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: the top tier. Yeah, Because I mean, I guess when

816
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: you look at all these other guys that we do

817
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: like and that we have on our lists, there is

818
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: either some sort of history of injury, which I think

819
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: is always worth bringing up when you have pictures. I mean,

820
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: we also know that you're injured until you're not, which

821
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: is something that I know you love to say that's

822
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: that's the trade turner, that's the trade turner thing. You're

823
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 2: injured until you're not. But in terms of consistency, like

824
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: I think you could probably peg where Chris Bass is

825
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: gonna finish relatively speaking, every single.

826
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Year for sure.

827
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: And you know what, for that consistent you're going to

828
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: have to pay, Like I'm sure, I'm sure that Chris

829
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 3: Bass is not gonna sign a deal for less than

830
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: three years, and I'm sure it's not gonna be for

831
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: a dollar less than eighteen million.

832
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Part like he's up to twenty.

833
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Deserves to get paid, he deserves to get paid, does

834
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: and he will. He will get paid like Chris Bass.

835
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: And now again we're gonna keep drawing comparisons to the

836
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: last offseason because that's one of the best ways to

837
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: see how the general managers think he's probably gonna get

838
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: the deal a little bit similar to Marcus Stroman. Yep,

839
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: And that's kind of it's it's it'll be for less

840
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: years because he's significantly older.

841
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: But it's true, yeah, no, one hundred percent, one hundred percent.

842
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like like the other names that you have

843
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: listed on here, like in that next here, like a

844
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: guy like Nathan Valdi. Like I think if we're talking

845
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: like top end, like what we could get out of

846
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: a guy like Nathan Valdi. I think is one of

847
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: the more exciting names on this list, just because we

848
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: have seen him be shut down before and be really

849
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: really good over extended period of time. But again, injuries

850
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: and then that's also the part of the free agency

851
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: that's like the biggest worry for a team. A fan

852
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: of anybody is like, am I paying for what has happened?

853
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Or am I paying for what will happen?

854
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

855
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 3: And that's like the crux of this entire exercise here.

856
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: Because Ivaldi is a guy, he has been heroic, He's

857
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: been great in his career. Everyone remembers the night, the

858
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: Friday Night eighteen inning game with the Dodgers and the

859
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: Red Sox where he won them the world won the

860
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: Red Sox World Series.

861
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: But he is thirty three years old.

862
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: He is coming off a season where he had shoulder

863
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: and back issues, which are ever good, probably rank one

864
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: in two for the worst injuries I ever want to

865
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: see a pitcher have, especially a guy who's had tons

866
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: of shoulder issues during his career. Already in elbow issues.

867
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

868
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's also just because of Waldi stuff is

869
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: so good, Like his his velocity is still there, his

870
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: slider's still unbelievable. Like that's the craziest part of about

871
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: the Valdi, Like his stuff in command are all exactly

872
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: what you think you would need from an elite pitcher.

873
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: And he's still put together some amazing seasons last few years,

874
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: pitching in Famway Park, pitching in the American League East,

875
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: and this vision is not very easy to pitch it,

876
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: especially barter to the National League eest in city field.

877
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: He's just if you can, if you can get him

878
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: kind of cheaply because more people are scared. Like if

879
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: I can give him a two year deal, that seems

880
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: like a sweet spot for Valdy. But anything any more

881
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: than that, I think any fan would probably be nervous,

882
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: just because, like especially when he's coming off an injury

883
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: real this season.

884
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like this isn't.

885
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: Like Rodna where the injuries were multiple years ago. We're done,

886
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: just put together in a remarkably healthy season.

887
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: He is of all.

888
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: These not and that's where I get paused with him.

889
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I want to clarify too, for

890
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: those of you listening at home. This isn't like an

891
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 2: endorsement of like we like if we don't want this guy,

892
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: Like these the guys that we're mentioning are all guys

893
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: that we're gonna we would be happy to have. That's

894
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: why we're talking about them. The guys you don't hear

895
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: is necessarily talk about. You'll it'll be very obvious who

896
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: we're not talking about on this podcast. But like when

897
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: we bring up these guys, it's like, this is a

898
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: conversation we want to have because we think there's a

899
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: possibility that like a team should be interested in this,

900
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: and we want you to be informed on what these

901
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: guys could be like. And we also just kind of

902
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: want to tell you guys about these pitch because a

903
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: lot of people just watch the Mets very regularly.

904
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people aren't like Mark and you guys

905
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: aren't psychos.

906
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: You guys don't You guys aren't in fourteen fantasy baseball

907
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: leagues like you're not you're not locked into every single

908
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: pitcher in the league, Like we're gonna talk about next

909
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: Andrew Heaney, James and Tis a Canton of Corey Klube.

910
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: But these are guys who you might not that Keithon

911
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: on their their strengths, their weaknesses, and probably.

912
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: What their market will evolve into. So that's what we're

913
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: here to talk about.

914
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: This is no way tied to who we want the

915
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: Mets to sign or who we think the Mets are

916
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: gonna sign, because we don't.

917
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: We just we simply don't know. It's all speculation.

918
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: What about a name that the Mets fans will know

919
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: pitched on this team just a few years ago and

920
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: he had a career season. I'm interested to hear your

921
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: take on this guy, because you're the pitching, You're the pitch.

922
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna ask Michael Waka Waka waka, what is do

923
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 2: you think that's legit? Like, I haven't dove deep into

924
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: his stuff, so I'm not sure.

925
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: I got deep in Walker this afternoon.

926
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: I kind of fell in love of Walker this year

927
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: because he just he popped out of nowhere and he

928
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: had that such hot stretch toward the middle end of summer.

929
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: I had him, I'd always I just forgot to tweet it,

930
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: but I had in my dirass forever. It was a

931
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: line resume between Michael Wakat and Logan Web and they

932
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: had they had like a two month stretcher, basically the

933
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: exact same pitcher. But then Waka got cold at the

934
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: end of the year and Web got hot and I

935
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: just never tweeted, so I lost it.

936
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: But Waka Waka.

937
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: Was hilariously really good this year. But he really outran

938
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 3: a lot of his estimators. Like his FIP was on like, oh,

939
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: like over a half run higher in his ZRA that's

940
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: at like three p one three, which for a guy

941
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: pitches for the Red Sox in the American League East,

942
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: is insane. He also had a left on base rate

943
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: above eighty percent, and left on base rates exactly what

944
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: it sounds.

945
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: It's literally when you end innings with like how many

946
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: guys that get on base? How many guys stay on base?

947
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: The league average for that's usually in the seventies. When

948
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: you see those eighties numbers, if.

949
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: You're looking at baseball stats, ear should perk up like

950
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: that's something that likely will regress. But the thing about

951
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: Waka is that change up is still very good, and

952
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: the Red Sox were actively making adjustments to it during

953
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: last season. They dropped his change up three miles an hour,

954
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: so I had a bigger gradient between that and his

955
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: fastball it was only about four or five miles an

956
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: hour's difference when he was here with the Mets last

957
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: year I stretched out to seven or eight, which for changeup,

958
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: that's a big deal. It's possibly even a bigger deal

959
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: than the actual physics of the pitch because wak has

960
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: changeup moved far less, had less drop, and it had

961
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: less fade. But I think the fact that it created

962
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: such a big disparity in velocity it kind of made

963
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: the pitch more effective because that's kind of the whole

964
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: goal of it to look like a fastball, not act

965
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: like a fastball.

966
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean the whole way that, like through playing baseball

967
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: and everything, that change up's always ever been described as

968
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: you're trying to like basically like pull a string like

969
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: you want it to look like a fastball, and all

970
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden it's not there. And that's what his

971
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: change up seems to be doing more with that disparity

972
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: of difference.

973
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But like the.

974
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Pitch still, I would I have trouble calling an elite

975
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: because it doesn't move in an elite way, like especially

976
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: compared to another guy having this little raw strippling who

977
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: does have an elite change up.

978
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: Probably one of the best in terms in all of baseball.

979
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: But Waka had fantastic command. He kept the ball in

980
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: the yard. His ground bow rate was over forty percent,

981
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: which is a good good spot to sist. Not a lead,

982
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 3: but it's a good place to be. And he's still

983
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: has such good command, and he has a lot of

984
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: pitches that he can throw a slyer fastball like a

985
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 3: color I believe I remember correctly. So he's a guy

986
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: who it would probably be disgusting for Mets fans to hear. Yeah,

987
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: but I'm sure he's a guy who will just eat

988
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: a ton of innings, like he compares favorably to I

989
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: think Taiwan Walker.

990
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like I even remember, like

991
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: at points in the Who's Here twenty twenty, right was

992
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty season, he was a part of the team,

993
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: like he did have start to remember where you're like, Oh,

994
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: he does good little picture for us, And like I

995
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: think for a guy who we wouldn't be bringing in

996
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: as like the headline, of course, he wouldn't be for

997
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah, wouldn't be carrying a lot of

998
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: weight on his shoulders.

999
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's worth a worth a look. I think

1000
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: I think we.

1001
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: Also, like just collectively, like as baseball fans, got a

1002
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: lot of walk of fatigue because he came up and

1003
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: he was so good right away on some good Cardinals

1004
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: teams and then like he just fell off completely because

1005
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: that team, I don't know they're they're pitching the elements

1006
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: were I still don't understand how the Cardinals do it.

1007
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: But and he like he's still like how to do it?

1008
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: Yea, they they get guys who pitched the pitch. The

1009
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: contact in the outfield's huge, and they have great defense.

1010
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really good. We figured this one out.

1011
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: But he doesn't walk that many people. Is the RA

1012
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: It was three three two is the IRA, but expect

1013
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: the RA was like four and a half. So again,

1014
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: like there's good. He's a true he's probably a true

1015
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: talent for one for two, for three e r a guy, okay,

1016
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a bad thing. In the

1017
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: back of a rotation. You need that guy, especially a

1018
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: guy who's gonna throw innings for you. Only three hundred

1019
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: thirty innings last year, but he got hurt. But I think

1020
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: he's a guy you could probably I was only thirty

1021
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: one years old, could rely on and like I mentioned before,

1022
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: fastball change up color.

1023
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: He has a sinker.

1024
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: He has a little bit of a curve ball, but

1025
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: hes not much a feel for it. It does pitch

1026
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: that was bigger earlier in his career. He's just a

1027
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: guy who would just be a dude. Probably a couple

1028
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: of mill hang out in the back of the rotation pitch.

1029
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: All right, give me give me a name that you

1030
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: you want to talk about, because this again, this is

1031
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: this is your sweet spot here with pitching.

1032
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: There's a There's two guys W been pretty excited for

1033
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: who I think the Mets could science offseason. I think

1034
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: would fit well and you can kind of get him

1035
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: in for a longer term deal with a lower AAV

1036
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: than some other pitchers. And they're Andrew Heiny and Jameson

1037
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: tai On. Those two names probably sound so disgusting to

1038
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: most baseball fans, but there are like so many reasons

1039
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: that those guys can be good. First, I want to

1040
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: talk about Heiny because this was the classic like, oh,

1041
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: he went to a smart team, They're gonna fix him.

1042
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: And the Dodgers did fix Andrew Heiny in like thirty minutes,

1043
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: probably about.

1044
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: He went to the Dodgers, and he got good. Where

1045
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: have I heard this?

1046
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Could you even imagine?

1047
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: He basically in one second they taught him the pitch

1048
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: that they've been teaching all of their pictures Evan Phillips,

1049
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: especially as the guy who comes to mind is the sweeper.

1050
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: It's a new variant of a slider that started being

1051
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: popularized the last few years that gets more horizontal movement,

1052
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: and the key difference is you want the way it

1053
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: spins off your hand to behave differently in the way

1054
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: it actually spins, so you want to kind of trick

1055
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: the hither. You're getting a little bit of seam shifted

1056
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: wake on the pitch, so it's spinning like this, but

1057
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: then eventually it goes like this. You're getting less depth,

1058
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: less drop, more sweep. How the pitch was named, and

1059
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 3: you're basically tricking hithers, and that pitch is a way

1060
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: it's not as good as getting with sets traditional sliders,

1061
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: but it's much better at missing barrels, getting hit for

1062
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 3: softer contact on the ground in the air. There's tons

1063
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: of great articles on Fangrafts about this. You guys want

1064
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: to learn about the sweeper, definitely just go Google sweeper

1065
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 3: or just fangrafts are sweeper. There's millions and millions of

1066
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: great articles, millions which Alex Chamberlin specifically's done a lot

1067
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: of work for it.

1068
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: Andrew Heaney had a very very good year, definitely much

1069
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: improved at least, and I mean, we've seen what the

1070
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Mets have been able to do with some pictures that

1071
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: they brought in.

1072
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: There's definitely some guts there.

1073
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Everyone for the longest time has been taught waiting for

1074
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: the Heini breakout, and it looked like he got a

1075
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't would you call this his breakout

1076
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: this year or you still think there's more one hundred

1077
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: percent gonna call last year's breakout. Once he started throwing

1078
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: that sweeper, by the end of the year, he was

1079
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: throwing it almost thirty three percent in time a third.

1080
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: It got forty four percent.

1081
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: Whiffs two thirty five x Wollaba, which in terms of

1082
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: missing both missing bats and inducing soft contact, those are

1083
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: incredible stats up there with some of the most effective

1084
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: pitchers in baseball. Home Runs were still an issue for

1085
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: Heini because his fastball is not great. He has one

1086
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: of those low arm slot, four seam fastballs that runs

1087
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: more than rises, so it's it's just gonna get pops

1088
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: sometimes and Dodger Stam's a good place to tay the

1089
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: home run. City field not a great place to say

1090
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 3: the home runs. That would be a big help there.

1091
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: The other thing about Heeni is that injuries their ability

1092
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: are still an issue. He only threw seventy two innings

1093
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: last year, but those innings were like as elite of

1094
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: any seventy inning sample.

1095
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: In all of baseball.

1096
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 3: Of all pitchers who threw release seventy innings last year,

1097
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: he had the second best strikeout minus walk. Great, Holy wow,

1098
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: who's the only guy that was better? Was spent Stryither

1099
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: And that was my point three percent.

1100
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: I mustache faced rat.

1101
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, jerk, f jerk. But in when he needed was

1102
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: on the mad last year.

1103
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: He was literally one of the best pitchers in baseball.

1104
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's being regarded as such just

1105
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: because it wasn't that big of a sample and it

1106
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: happened very suddenly. I think that you're gonna see a

1107
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: lot of the more intelligent teams in on Heini. I

1108
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: think you're gonna see teams offering him three years at

1109
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: probably about fifteen sixteen per because I think that what

1110
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: he did in the small sample last year is worth that,

1111
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: and I think that he's a guy if you hit

1112
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: it right, because you're only injury prone until you're not,

1113
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: could be someone who could change the scope of any

1114
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: pitch rotation in the league.

1115
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I didn't need as much selling on

1116
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: Heeny because I saw all of this stuff happen this year.

1117
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: But I think you gotta tell me on Tyone a

1118
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: little bit more because I don't know. It's I hate

1119
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: the Yankee, so that's probably like ninety five percent of

1120
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: why I just don't see it. But I don't know.

1121
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: I Tywne. I think I might need a little more convincing.

1122
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: All right, big thing with Tyon's I've always loved Tyone,

1123
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: just I have a saw spot forms is a little

1124
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 3: bit of biased. The first time I ever like commented

1125
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: on baseball in my life was an article about James

1126
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: and ty before the twenty nineteen season, when I just

1127
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: realized he was throwing his slider more and slyders were

1128
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: better to throw than fastballs, and it was getting more

1129
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: whifts than he was breaking out. Since then, he had

1130
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: a second time of John surgery.

1131
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Which is awful. It's really tough.

1132
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: Almost no pitcher has ever come back from two tomy John's,

1133
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: but the two years he's pitched since it looks like

1134
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: it is coming back. James Hyone also beat cancer.

1135
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Have to mention that.

1136
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: Shoutout James and tyone two time of John's and cancer.

1137
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: So nothing can stop this guy.

1138
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Literally.

1139
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: He made a lot of adjustments in between twenty twenty

1140
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty two with the Yankees, way less fastballs,

1141
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: more slithers, more sinkers, and he developed the color in

1142
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: between those years, which is interesting that col did get hammered,

1143
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: but it had very unique movement in that he was

1144
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: throwing it ninety ninety one miles an hour. It had

1145
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: good slide, and it had some drop, so it's almost

1146
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: like a slither variant, which was harder than it because

1147
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: it didn't behave like traditional color.

1148
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: It was weird. He also threw less curveballs.

1149
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: Even though that was his best performing pitch in terms

1150
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: of whiffs, and his slider had a lot more depth

1151
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: and a lot more slide in the second year after

1152
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: his second time of John recovery, and his velocity in

1153
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: his fastball almost got all the way back to where

1154
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: it was before that surgery, so he was used to

1155
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: sit in ninety five ninety six. This year he sat

1156
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: ninety four ish. So that might also be a thing

1157
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: where he shakes the Euro rust off one more year

1158
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: and he gets there and he was hurt a lot

1159
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: by home runs. In Yankee Stadium, home run and fly

1160
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: ball rate was significantly worse than it was during his

1161
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: days in Pittsburgh. That could either be because of just

1162
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: the diminished effect inness from the surgery, or the fact

1163
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: he's playing in Yankee Stadium against the al least in

1164
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: terms compared to the National League Central, against.

1165
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: The Cubs and the Reds and all those terrible teams

1166
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: that played there. The Yankees.

1167
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: If anything, I give him a lot of credit in

1168
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: the show and to you just personally. If there's anything

1169
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: that they do struggle with in this generation of their

1170
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: organization besides winning in the playoffs, is it's professional pitching development.

1171
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: They've kind of gotten a lot of these veterans and

1172
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: not really maximized their talent in the last few years.

1173
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: Sonny Gray is the obvious one that comes to mind.

1174
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: So I do think in terms of Tianne's repertoire, between

1175
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: a fastball that's still able to miss bats, a slyther

1176
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: that is still good, a sinker that is good at

1177
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: getting ground balls, and a color that's incredibly unique, and

1178
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: a change up that gets whissed. I just gave you

1179
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: five pitches, a struggles with the long ball, pitching in

1180
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: a tough division, another year removed from a second time

1181
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: of John Surgery, who has just the absolute heart of

1182
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: a god beating all these things he's beaten. I really

1183
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: think that he's a guy who you can get and

1184
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: will be, who will work, who work hard, and there

1185
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: is upside left and what he has.

1186
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, you're.

1187
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: Convincing me more. You're convincing me more. Here, You're you're.

1188
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Softing me up on James ty On a little bit.

1189
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Few more pictures here, because we've been talking about pictures

1190
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: for a bit, and I do want to talk about

1191
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: some offense a little bit. I mean, we're gonna have

1192
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: so many episodes this offseason. You're gonna hear us talk

1193
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: about a lot more players. But I think as a

1194
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: first episode's good to just get some stuff out there

1195
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: as we have for sure.

1196
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll just run through the rest of the

1197
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: guys quick in this tier. Corey Klueber is someone I'm

1198
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: also veryan on. The stuff is still super there, his

1199
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: curve is unbelievable, his color is amazing, and the Rays

1200
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: just pushed those two pitches up so so he would

1201
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: throw them the most. The only thing is you're not

1202
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: gonna get the volume at this point in his career.

1203
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw this the way the Rays handled

1204
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: him one. He's not the most durable anymore.

1205
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: They kind of helped him be durable by limiting him

1206
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: to about eighty pitches person start. The weird caveat though,

1207
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: is like as his color and his singer Domini, his

1208
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: repertoires groundball rate fell, which I think the Rays might

1209
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: have been doing that purposefully because they are so keen

1210
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: on outfield defense and that outfield there is so vast

1211
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: that maybe that was just an adjustment they made personally.

1212
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: But I think Kluber still has enough stuff, enough command,

1213
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: and just enough just guy it again.

1214
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Damn you look at you.

1215
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm just too into it right now that we've been

1216
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: we've been so like glad in these episodes the last month,

1217
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: Like now we're actually talking about real stuff, like analyzing again.

1218
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: Like I feel I feel like we're back in the

1219
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: back in the saddle, but Kluber vigor. Yeah, I got

1220
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: some more vigor back game. But Kluber somebody like someone

1221
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't like, Jose Cantana like I had why because

1222
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: he did have like a weird good year.

1223
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: It was a fake. It was a fake good year.

1224
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: The pitches aren't good. The change up, the change up

1225
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: could the change up is still good. But the fastball

1226
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: is bad. The breaking stuff is bad. He stopped walking guys,

1227
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: But I almost think that was a bit of an aberration,

1228
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: like there's nothing. I think the Cardinals just like just

1229
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: throw it down the middle like we're going to catch

1230
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: it probably anyway. And the Pirates are just is the

1231
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: you pitch the wholeyear in Nationalague Central. You almost can't

1232
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: take that seriously at all. It's kind of true, like

1233
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: there's no good offenses the entire division, not one. There

1234
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: was zero good offenses in all the division.

1235
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a really good point.

1236
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: Like thirty percent of the games you played where against

1237
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: teams have literally couldn't hit. So it's hard to take

1238
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: anything seriously. And the stuff is just not good, like

1239
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: like none of his pitches have above average moving profile.

1240
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: All he's't have good velocity and if the walks come back,

1241
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: you're completely with a lemon.

1242
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah no, so that okay, that's a good point. That's

1243
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: a good point.

1244
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: Another guy who I like in terms of talent, but

1245
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: like don't like in terms of timing because Tyler Anderson,

1246
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: you're just buying it your boy. Yeah, I mean last year

1247
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: he would be my boy, but you're buying him the

1248
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: top of the market now. Like, I don't want to

1249
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: give Tyler Anderson three years. I want to give him

1250
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: one year for seven mil. It would have been great.

1251
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know. I could see that one.

1252
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: And then the other two guys i'll touch on briefly

1253
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: are Ross Strippling and Zach Eflin. I just I love

1254
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: zach Eflin. I talk about him all the time.

1255
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: He had a degenerative pateeller and the issue in his

1256
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 3: knee where he didn't learn how to follow through until

1257
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: like twenty eighteen. If you guys want to find some deep,

1258
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: deep James tracks, just like search my name, James Ciano

1259
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: and Zach Eflin.

1260
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: You'll find tons of articles I wrote in twenty nineteen,

1261
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty because just he literally had to relearn how

1262
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: to pitch and he got more velocity, got more movement everything.

1263
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: He's been good since then, He's had some more issues.

1264
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: I think he had another knee injury also at the

1265
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: end of the last year. Correct, Yeah, but he came

1266
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: back so hot at the end of this year. He

1267
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: was one of the most important players in the Phillies

1268
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: postseason roster. And his curveball and the slider are both amazing,

1269
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: and his sinker is above average pitcher in terms of

1270
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: move in velocity, and his commands complete elite with everything.

1271
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: He looked great in relief and I think he for

1272
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: sure can start again with that repertoire.

1273
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: For sure.

1274
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: He looked filthy in the postseason, disgusting.

1275
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: He looked disgusting. It was so vindicating to see him

1276
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: coming after all these times. I've said his name just

1277
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: dominate on national television.

1278
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: The movement on his I guess two seam was he

1279
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: thrown was a two seamer sinker whatever. I think all

1280
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: the singer, but I think who knows what it actually is.

1281
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: It's incredible, and he has two legit breaking balls and

1282
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: two different planes beween the curveball and the slider.

1283
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: He is really good.

1284
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,479
Speaker 3: And you get that guy in a ballpark like City Field.

1285
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: He can eat eat.

1286
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: It's like, and that's also something I'm saying about all

1287
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: these guys, but that's an advantage that the Mets do

1288
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: have when bringing in pictures. I heckled Zach Efflin at

1289
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: spring trading back in twenty eighteen when he couldn't throw

1290
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: hard at all his knees and work. Yeah, I was

1291
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: standing behind him throwing a bullpen. But it was like

1292
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: the first game of spring training two. I think it

1293
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: was between the Braves and the Phillies at Disney World,

1294
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 2: and Zach Efflin was throwing. I can't even break ninety

1295
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: He couldn't off the catcher's glove. You're throwing like ninety

1296
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: four now though, like you imagine, imagine your whole life.

1297
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: You can't do something and you don't know it.

1298
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: It's like a superpower. Literally imagine you never you couldn't

1299
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: bend yourn eath and you had no idea.

1300
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: And I like an old, old article I wrote for

1301
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: a block doesn't even exist anymore, called Prospects three sixty five.

1302
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: Like I was literally pulling screen caps of Zach Eflin pitching.

1303
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: He used to finish his pitches.

1304
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: His back used to be straight, because he couldn't bend

1305
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: and eventually he's like it, get three more miles now

1306
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: in his fastball one off season, I was like, this

1307
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: guy's gonna be the man, And yeah, I think we're

1308
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: just And the pitching development is so weird that happens

1309
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: to these guys at such different times, especially a guy

1310
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: like Ethlyn who came right to the major leagues out

1311
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: of high school. He was up and down, then he

1312
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: had major reconstructive surgery. He's always been great at limiting

1313
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: eggs and velocity.

1314
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: God read this guy. I think he'd be awesome.

1315
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: And I really still think there's an extra mile or

1316
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: two you could tick off that fasketball get.

1317
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: From made three and ninety four. He's one of my guys.

1318
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: Big guy now, yeah, will more give me one more though.

1319
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: Just quickly ross strippling. I just think he was like,

1320
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 3: he was hilariously good at the end of the last season.

1321
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: The Blue Jays also have this veteran pitching magic. Now

1322
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: the last few years we've seen them, besides Jose Barrios,

1323
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: they've like made every single prison better. And that hilarious guy,

1324
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: he was actually good.

1325
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: And maybe Gucci, yeah you say Gucci, I mean he

1326
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: was actually decent the bullpen at the end of the year.

1327
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: He's a change up.

1328
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: The guys change up back, and the velocity was back,

1329
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: but his change Stripling change up insane. It's ten mile

1330
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: an hour difference to his fastball. They had him throwing

1331
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 3: at thirty five percent of the time in September. Eventually

1332
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: became his most strowne pitch by the end of the season,

1333
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: and they turfed his four steam fastball because the pitch sucks.

1334
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: But Trippling also has an above average curveball and a

1335
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: good slider, and he doesn't walk anybody, doesn't walk anybody,

1336
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: and he's got one of those rubber arms. He could

1337
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: throw him out there and pitch and he's he's someone's

1338
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: very comfortable moving roles between the bullpen and the rotation,

1339
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: which is very valuable in the back of a roster.

1340
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: I like Tripling.

1341
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: I think Stripling is a good little pitcher, and he

1342
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: seems to just love data, so I like that too.

1343
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: We like smart guys. We like smart and we're smart guys.

1344
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: We're smart guys around here. We want more smart guys like.

1345
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: Us, a couple of sharp guys, and then just some

1346
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: other names like Clevenger. I think can still be good

1347
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: good a couple more years away from the Tommy John.

1348
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: I think he'll be fine. Three pitches with a wiff

1349
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: rate above twenty nine percent. Fastball got back up in

1350
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 3: ninety three ninety four. Command is bad, but that usually

1351
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: takes longer after Tommy John. Then I got the psycho

1352
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: names like Chad Coole is two good breaking balls, like

1353
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: I'll say it out loud, Chris Archer's velocity came back,

1354
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: but you can't throw more than like fifty pitches at

1355
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: a time.

1356
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Johnny Quail and Richie for the memes.

1357
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: And then the last one out of nowhere, who I

1358
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: think will be good once he plays for the first

1359
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 3: smart organization of his career is Vince Flasquez. He spends

1360
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: his whole career with the old stupid Phillies and the

1361
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: White Sox like the white sock.

1362
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Could you imagine that stuff?

1363
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: Like the part paper where oh Astros, they drafted them astros.

1364
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: That's smart, that's a smart organization who initially got his

1365
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: career started. Vince Velasquez has a slytherer curveble n a

1366
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: fastball there all above average, and he's never played for

1367
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: a team that's smart, just give him, give him twenty

1368
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: minutes for Jeremy Hesner. He like emilies as soon as

1369
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 2: they started to figure out pitching.

1370
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: Literally time it imperfectly. Yeah, whatever, That's why we mentioned

1371
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot. That was someone we mentioned a lot last offseason.

1372
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Was like vince Velaskaz would be a little flyer to take,

1373
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, like we were just for throwing out money

1374
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: even so Alaska's could use some. You want to get

1375
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: my blood pumping? Talk about the free agent pictures. This

1376
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: is this has been my life for my entire life,

1377
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: since I was conscious.

1378
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: This is about everything.

1379
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna calm you down a little bit because

1380
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: I got to talk about the offense, and I mean

1381
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: we're coming up on like an hour on this episode,

1382
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna keep it a little bit shorter this

1383
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: time on the offense, and we'll talk about it a

1384
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: little bit more next one because we probably will just

1385
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: have more information about players that are and aren't available

1386
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: and stuff.

1387
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: But I think.

1388
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: Possibly the most important free agent for the Mets this

1389
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: entire offseason is Brandon Nimo. I think, yeah, blatantly, Like

1390
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of lists, I've seen a lot

1391
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: of rankings, I've seen a lot of this in that

1392
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: one thing that I've seen, not just by Mets fans

1393
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: and Mets publications, just by everyone is a unbelievable underrating

1394
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: of Brandon Nimo again, and I don't I don't know

1395
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: what he has to do to actually get respect from

1396
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: people that are not us, like he is one of

1397
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: Like he's not Mike Trout. We know that, Like when

1398
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: you're talking about like one of the best center field

1399
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: because when I say this and I say he's one

1400
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: of the best center fielders in baseball, people like, oh,

1401
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: Mark Trout, and I'm like, okay, idiot, Like I didn't

1402
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: mean like Mike Trout, Mike Troun's one of the best

1403
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: players ever play. But when you are talking about the

1404
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: best center fielders in Major League Baseball, Brandon Nimmo is

1405
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: one hundred percent part of that group of I would

1406
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: say the elite tier for sure.

1407
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a grouping out that's like

1408
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: Trout is is incredible, Aaron Judge played center field and

1409
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: elite level this year. Then you have like Springer is great,

1410
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: and then there's a little bit of a drop off,

1411
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 3: and I think then you have like Neimo Reynolds centric

1412
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: ballers Robt Yeah, Robert, I guess now at.

1413
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: This point two is up there?

1414
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: Buxton, yeah, Bucks and Bucksan never plays but almost that

1415
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: can't even count him.

1416
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like like that's the group.

1417
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: And if you don't get Brandon Nimmo back, there is

1418
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: no other option, like Strongmarte can't play centerfield, but we

1419
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: want him in, right, we know that's where.

1420
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: And Canada can't play center field. We want him in and.

1421
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: Left, Yes, we want him and left, like if we

1422
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 2: want to maximize our potential, I think getting Brandon Nimo

1423
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: in centerfield is vitally vitally important important.

1424
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: It's funny.

1425
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: MLB dot com does a just a list of all

1426
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: the free agents, position by position, and it has their

1427
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: wins above replacement from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two.

1428
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: When you look at the available center fielders, it's disgusting.

1429
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. Kevin Kiermier would be our next Beck's option,

1430
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: Brandon Nemo's eight point seven. More over the last two years,

1431
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: next best is Kevin Kiermyer at three point seven, and

1432
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: he has a club option, so he might not even

1433
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: be available. No, they're gonna make him available. The races

1434
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: men trying to get rid of Kevin Kiermyer for about

1435
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: three years. Okay, I mean he plays great defense, but

1436
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: he does I I think if there's one guy on

1437
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: this market that I, personally as a Mets fan, want

1438
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: back the most, it's Brandon Nemo For me. I just

1439
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: I think it's really really hard to let a talent

1440
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: like him go, especially when it really really does feel

1441
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: like he might just be figuring it all out. Like

1442
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 2: we started to see him hit for some more power

1443
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: towards the end of the year two, and that's like

1444
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: Brandon Neimo with power and the defense and on base

1445
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: that's scary.

1446
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: The thing about brand Nemo is then, something we've been

1447
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: saying forever, is that he's still like literally ball young.

1448
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah he did.

1449
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: He didn't even like start playing baseball til he was

1450
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: like a teenager. Like he never got like the college baseball,

1451
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: He never did high school baseball, like he went right

1452
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: to the like the rookie league when he was when

1453
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: he was a child, he had no experience at all.

1454
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: He's just he gets so much better every year. And

1455
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: the irony of this whole thing is that Mets fans

1456
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: like you and I include it, we've been like asking

1457
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: looking for our center fielder for so long now, for years,

1458
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: like since Carls ball try went away, and he was

1459
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: under our nose the whole time, and now he might

1460
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: be gone before we even realized it.

1461
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1462
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: No, uh, Scottports is gonna make it tough. I think there,

1463
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: Scott Bors, this Scott boy has been waiting for this one,

1464
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: because this is gonna be the Scot Boris magnus opus,

1465
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: because he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna get a guy

1466
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: with sixty career home runs, like one hundred and fifty

1467
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: million dollars, And I'm the only gonna tit my cap.

1468
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: I hope it's for us, but if it's not, I'm

1469
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: gonna tit my cap because this is this is Scott

1470
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: Bors is gonna be his greatest achievement ever.

1471
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: A guy who's never hit more than twenty home runs

1472
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: in the season. He's gonna get one hundred and fifty mili.

1473
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think a lot of teams are

1474
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: gonna be interested. I really hope he comes back to

1475
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: New York with the Mets. I really want him in

1476
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: center field for the foreseeable future.

1477
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: He's just he'still not even thirty.

1478
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: The improvements he made defensively.

1479
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: Are are legit.

1480
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: They're really, really, really important, especially in city field where

1481
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: we know, like balls don't go out of the park,

1482
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: so keeping them in is important. But who's gonna catch him?

1483
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 2: I want to see Brandon Nemo catching those balls? We

1484
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: saw the catch against the Dodgers.

1485
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: I was literally about to say that, like, talk about

1486
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: balls not going out of the park. That was I mean,

1487
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: I guess it's kind of sad looking back in retrospect.

1488
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: That was the high point of the season. I guess

1489
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: that game that's a grom against the Dodgers. Maybe I

1490
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: guess that's where we technically peaked. Maybe it was in

1491
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: August twenty ninth.

1492
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: What a great night that was that we were Thursday,

1493
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: we were Corey, we were having a great time in

1494
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: left field.

1495
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a ball that was That was one

1496
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: of the most fun games we went to all year

1497
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: with a night. But you just we can't like Brandon

1498
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: Nemo in the last year had his best power production

1499
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: as the lowest strikeout rate. He did that in the

1500
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: same year. Yeah, and his best defense. He did all

1501
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: that in the same year.

1502
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 3: Like, there's no like, I'm not even kidding, like he

1503
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 3: he could be a perennial All Star for the length

1504
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 3: of a five year contract.

1505
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: And he's a guy who like he could play.

1506
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: Center field for two more years and then just like

1507
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 2: you know, the Martell the Canna contract, the spire moving

1508
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: back to a corner, get in the center fielder, be

1509
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: an even more elite defensive left fielder, and continue to

1510
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: hit lead off with his with his three seventy on

1511
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: base percentage, that was hilarious, also one of the low

1512
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: Mark's entire career. I no, it's on base percent has

1513
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: dropped because he started swinging the bat, hitting for power.

1514
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: Like he's he's so good. He's so good.

1515
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm happy the Mets fans finally have begun to respect him,

1516
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: but still not to the point where I think they should.

1517
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1518
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean, like the offensive market's a little crazy.

1519
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of and I feel like this is

1520
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: kind of how the offensive free agent market always looks,

1521
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: as there are the good players and then there's the rest.

1522
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: And I mean at centerfield, Brandon Nimo is the good player. Obviously,

1523
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: you have Judge and right field, everybody and their mother

1524
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: is gonna be on Aaron Judge he's gonna get paid

1525
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars or whatever. It's gonna be. H

1526
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: it is where it is. Would I take air judge

1527
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: of my team any day, any day? He's a good

1528
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: baseball player.

1529
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: But you know, at the.

1530
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 2: Same time, there's gonna be everyone interested, and I'd rather

1531
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: getting bidding works with other players someone.

1532
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: So I just I just got really distracted. Someone just

1533
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: liked one of my tweets. The names either had no range,

1534
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: So shout out that guy. Oh, I've seen that guy's

1535
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Twitter before.

1536
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: I've seen that guys some other fun hitting names real

1537
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: quick that I'm just gonna list off looking through. Jose

1538
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: Brady has been a name that a lot of people

1539
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: have been bringing up.

1540
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the people have been bringing up.

1541
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: We'll dive into that one deeper, I think in another episode,

1542
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: because we are coming up on an hour and we

1543
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: don't want to keep you guys too too long. But

1544
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: Jose Brau is an interesting one. I think Josh Bell

1545
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,479
Speaker 2: is an interesting name. Uh got to bring up your

1546
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: your sneaky favorite player ever, Geane Segura, who looks like

1547
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: he's out in Philadelphia.

1548
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: Also my other sneaky one of my favorite players ever,

1549
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: Mitch Hanneger, the marriage just said they're not gonna give

1550
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 3: m a qualifying offer. Wow, they're not giving him a Qoh,

1551
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: that becomes very.

1552
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: High in the list, now whoa Okay, Okay, keep an

1553
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: eye out for Mitch. Definitely keep an eye out for Mitch.

1554
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: The shortstops is where the most depth is Trey Turner, Carlos, Carrexander, Bogart's,

1555
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: Dansby Swanson and then it falls off a cliff.

1556
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: Good thing.

1557
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: We have our shortstop, so it's really not that important.

1558
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: And you know what, those guys can play their positions,

1559
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: right yeah, push games to shove, They could play other positions.

1560
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: Third base you have Justin Turner, that's basically the guy.

1561
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: Some interesting names, So I one I mentioned to you

1562
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: this at the trade deadline. I think I don't know

1563
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: if we did it on an episode or if this

1564
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: was just me and you having a conversation. Evan Longoria

1565
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,959
Speaker 2: is someone that's just really interesting because while he hasn't

1566
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: played much last year, it has been eighty games each season.

1567
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: You put those two together and he's put up like

1568
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: thirty homers and thirty doubles with like an eight hundred

1569
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: or eight twenty oh ps, Yeah, there's a there's a

1570
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: bat still inside Evan Longoria somewhere.

1571
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: It's it's blatant.

1572
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: He did that thing where you went to the Giants

1573
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: and they just retaughd him how to play baseball and

1574
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 3: he became really good at it.

1575
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Again, he's yeah, and he's also.

1576
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: Probably a great guy to get for our roster construction

1577
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: because we have it while the Wesca bar who we

1578
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: went through it last year, guys and you guys are

1579
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: gonna get really mad next year when he gets hot

1580
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: and cold. But the end of the year, he's gonna

1581
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: be five percent bed in the league, averager adlet. We

1582
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: said it all the whole time. And we have Brett

1583
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: Bay who's growing and he'll probably have a role in

1584
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: this team at some point, so their base might be

1585
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: a little crowded, but I mean he's he can He

1586
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: absolutely one hundred percent can hit for power and this

1587
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: met team absolutely hundred percent needs power. I could see

1588
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: a platoon option too, like where you know Vogey it

1589
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: came back and he's gonna be the Dhu when he

1590
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: hits righty's as we know, we need someone hit lefties.

1591
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: Longoria crushes lefties his entire career. So that's someone I

1592
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: think is an interesting maybe if we get crazy kind

1593
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: of thing, well, realistically that.

1594
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: Becomes more of a platoon between Vogue and Escobar then

1595
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: the way you're saying it, because true, you kind of

1596
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: Longoria is good enough where he doesn't really have a

1597
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: platoons play. He's he's hitting as much as possible. You're

1598
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: spelling him for health and then fair Vogue and Escobar

1599
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: is a very natural platoons split lefty versus raeties.

1600
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if something like this were to happen.

1601
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Brandon Drury is also available, get him in a bandbox again,

1602
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: he'll probably play well. Outfielders Joey Gallows available, that's always

1603
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: so you're gonna see a really really smart team. Get

1604
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: Joey Gallo. That's all I'm gonna say that. If someone

1605
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: who signs Joey Galo, that's someone who's smart. I think

1606
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: that's not even me being tongue in cheek, by the way,

1607
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: that's being dead serious. No, because Joe gal is still

1608
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: valuable baseball player. A lot of people don't think he

1609
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: is still a good defender and a guy who hits

1610
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 2: for a lot of power. It doesn't look like you

1611
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: your dad wants it to look at your grandpa wants

1612
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: it to look but it's still good like and he's

1613
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know what team obviously will get gallow

1614
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 2: because probably a team that wants to compet but doesn't

1615
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money, just get some

1616
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: cheap power.

1617
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely Baltimore.

1618
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: Baltimore would be kind of fun as lefty as a

1619
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 2: left but they have so many corner good corner outfielders, maybe,

1620
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: like I can see the Blue Jays who could always

1621
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: use another corner outfielder.

1622
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you you could also just dh the guy.

1623
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: Really he's a good defender, Like that's not really for sure.

1624
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like Dan there or something yea, yeah, something

1625
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: like that. But Joey Gallo is a fun one. Jack Peterson,

1626
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: I think the name you're gonna be thrown around a lot.

1627
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: I was.

1628
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: I would would support, yeah, one hundred percent. In centerfield.

1629
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: We went over right field, We kind of went over

1630
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know who's still available. I know who

1631
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 2: someone's mentioned to me the other day, mister you know yep,

1632
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: Michael Conforido. I mean you want a rental, you want

1633
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: a rental, that's probably that's probably the guy because there's

1634
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 2: I think teams are gonna be calling him as long

1635
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: as he's healthy.

1636
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean it might as well, like probably have to

1637
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: do a workout.

1638
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: See if he's old. Michael CONFORDO is twenty twenty nine.

1639
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: It's thirty years old. You know, Michael ford is probably

1640
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: still pretty good, probably still a pretty good player. Listen,

1641
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: you gave me a year off after a disappointing year,

1642
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: and my opinion changes on the guy a little bit.

1643
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean I was banging the drum last year until

1644
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: until the bitter end, like just getting back if you can.

1645
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: But I mean, oh man, well so the last time

1646
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: outking Forth. They'll played in twenty twenty three, twenty four

1647
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: to twelve five fifteen slash WRC plus I don't know that.

1648
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jim, I don't know. I don't know.

1649
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: Guys, are they put together two seasons of more than

1650
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: four point four f war.

1651
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: It's not that bad. We know we can play in

1652
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: New York. I mean, yeah, you can handle it, can

1653
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: handle the pressure.

1654
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: And then in terms of DHS, which I mean it's

1655
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: it's worth talking about now a little bit.

1656
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: You have Jad Martinez who's a free agent.

1657
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: Michael Brantley, Matt Carpenter, Andrew McCutcheon, who I could honestly

1658
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: be see being signed by the exact same team and

1659
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: just being a platoon of DH. Carpenter hit righty's, let

1660
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: McCutcheon hit lefties. They both mash whatever they mash. Trey Mancini,

1661
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: I think, also has a chance to be a free agent,

1662
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: Nelson Cruz. The list goes on on DHS that exists.

1663
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: You kind of just find it, you don't really need

1664
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: to search for it.

1665
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also think the fact that we did

1666
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: bring Vogel back back, which I do support wholeheardly, one point,

1667
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: I don't understand your vocal back is an absolute steal

1668
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 3: for what he can do with the dish He does, though,

1669
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 3: create like a little bit of a roster situation where

1670
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: we don't want that many guys who can't play defense. Correct,

1671
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: we saw last year how tight benches can get in season,

1672
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: and that you just want guys who do a lot

1673
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: of different things. And again that's not me saying I

1674
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 3: want to vocal Back in this roster at that price point,

1675
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 3: it's an absolute lock, and he's a ton of positive

1676
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: value for having on this roster, But it probably does

1677
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: hamstring the Mets from bringing in who all of the

1678
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: people want to sign, the Martinez and the Abray. It

1679
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 3: makes that makes want to bring one of those guys

1680
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 3: in difficult brain.

1681
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: It makes almost no sense. I'm just gonna make saying that. Okay,

1682
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: I'm happy you said it, because it makes basically none.

1683
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it makes almost no sense.

1684
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: But I mean we'll dive deep into that when the

1685
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: rumors really start flying again. Uh, most likely the day

1686
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 2: that you guys are listening to us is gonna be

1687
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: Thursday morning. Teams will be able to start negotiating with

1688
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: free agents from that. We're not on their team in

1689
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: the previous year, so you can expect it's going to

1690
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: be crazy, probably for the next month or so.

1691
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know.

1692
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: We haven't had a really normal off season in a while,

1693
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: so I don't really remember how though.

1694
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about my dad today. It's like, when

1695
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: you think guys are going to sign, I was like,

1696
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: I forget.

1697
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,959
Speaker 2: Like it'd be really cool if feels like the NBA

1698
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: where everybody signs in like forty eight hours.

1699
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: The NBA and the NFL that does that too, Now

1700
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 3: where it's like three o'clock kids fifteen contracts. Yeah, but

1701
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 3: I mean last year we got our guys. It got

1702
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 3: hot around Thanksgiving.

1703
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think after the holiday season,

1704
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: ish like it after Thanksgiving before Christmas.

1705
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: I think is the sweet spot.

1706
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: I think we're gonn get some sneaky moves over the

1707
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: next week.

1708
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's always sneak. There's always a sneak or two.

1709
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 2: In think stuff's got to happen. I think there's a few.

1710
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a few guys on the market. I'm

1711
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: not gonna name names, so I can see them being like,

1712
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: I want to get this over with. Okay, Well, I

1713
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: wanted to play a game. I was gonna say, who

1714
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: do you Let's just both take a guess who's the

1715
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: first valuable re agent off the market.

1716
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it, but maybe I shouldn't say it.

1717
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm like, I feel like Jacob

1718
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: de Grom's.

1719
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: Gonna go quick.

1720
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, whether it's here or elsewhere, he just seems

1721
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 2: like a guy. It's not it's not gonna drag out.

1722
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a nice stot. I think that's a

1723
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: fair one. I think that's super fair. I say this

1724
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: with absolutely no knowledge of anything at all, absolutely have

1725
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: no idea what's going to happen.

1726
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: Nothing. I got a really annoying one.

1727
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 2: Oh and he's gonna be danceby Swanson re signing with

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Speaker 2: the Braves like tomorrow within twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Well that is.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because I think those two are a little bit

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01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: related because the Braves have never had an inclination to

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01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: go over the tax threshold ever, No, and they're about

1733
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: one market player below the threshold right now. Yeah, so

1734
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: everyone loves talking about Jacob Grams to the Atlanta Braves

1735
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: on the internet is the favorite thing of all of

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: the jerks. So, I mean, that will be interesting if

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Speaker 2: if that does happen, because also the Brave style, like

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Speaker 2: what happens to makes sense to pay kind I mean

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Speaker 2: Dane kind of what happened by now now maybe yeah,

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: that's kind the way they operate. We signed our own

1741
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: guys when you're not even They already resign Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Morton during the playoffs.

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01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: Again, they were allowed to resign Danzy Swatson's whole time,

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01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 3: So like maybe he's playing hardball, like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way that the way that negotiation has gone

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: so far, it doesn't seem very brave.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I mean this this p agent, it's gonna

1749
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: be nuts. It's gonna be nuts, and Mets are gonna heavily involved.

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01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: I would assume just because we got a lot of

1751
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: we got a lot of moves to make, yet a

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of money to spend, a lot

1753
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: of wins to have, and we're gonna be talking about

1754
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: all off season along with you guys. Hopefully we get

1755
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: some it'd be nice to drop some emergency episodes because

1756
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: we have something big to talk about.

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: Would you not agree it.

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: Was that double on tendre It would be nice to

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01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 3: drop some emergency episodes.

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01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, definitely would be nice. And uh, I think

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Speaker 2: that's we're gonna wrap this one up. Guys, Thank you

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: so much for listening and watching wherever you are doing it.

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,320
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01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: you guys for listening. Thank you for waiting one extra

1774
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: day for this episode. We do appreciate it, and we'll

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: catch you next time. On the next episode of the

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01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 2: mess Up Podcast, peace Out.

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: Peace Out. To see you guys next time.

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Speaker 2: Get Up, Get Up, Get Up,