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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Got a couple of guests coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald at one thirty in about what twenty five

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Speaker 2: minutes or so from now, and then Julie Kelly, who

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Speaker 2: has been great on January sixth, and more in the

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Speaker 2: third hour of this program. I'm going to duck out

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Speaker 2: in the third hour, about thirty minutes early, Buck, because

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: Last time you went to Chicago, Buck, you had never been,

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Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, there was a shooting at at

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Speaker 2: the park right just a few hours after you were

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Speaker 2: there in Millennium.

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Speaker 3: Park, two hours after we were there. Yes, the food

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Speaker 3: was amazing. It's a beautiful city. I love it. It

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Speaker 3: just has a crime problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to a family wedding there on Saturday, so

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Speaker 2: I'll be up there for a couple of nights, so

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Speaker 2: that should be entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Buck, I want to circle.

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Speaker 2: Back around on the way we finished the first hour,

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Speaker 2: because several of you reached out and pointed out what

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Speaker 2: I think is actually really important here, and I haven't

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Speaker 2: seen anybody make this argument. And I credit as I

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Speaker 2: always do this audience again eight hundred and two two

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Speaker 2: two eight a two will also take some of your calls.

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Speaker 2: A lot of intelligent people out there. It's a big audience,

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Speaker 2: a lot of intelligent, creative thinkers out there. Buck, Let's

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Speaker 2: kind of go down the path here of the cocaine

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Speaker 2: and why it matters. They shut down the White House

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Speaker 2: because they were concerned this was anthrax, which is how

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Speaker 2: we became aware that this story existed in the first place.

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Speaker 2: They knew they had found a white powder, they were

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Speaker 2: concerned that it might be anthrax.

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Speaker 1: They shut it down.

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Speaker 2: If the White House, which is using its media allies

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Speaker 2: to say we may never know who brought this cocaine

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Speaker 2: into the White House, if they are going to make

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Speaker 2: that argument, then Buck, it raises this question. That would

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Speaker 2: then mean that if someone had brought anthrax into the

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Speaker 2: White House, if this had been determined to be a

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Speaker 2: legitimate terror attack, that the White House wouldn't be able

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Speaker 2: to uncover who brought anthrax into the White House. I

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Speaker 2: don't believe that's true, but if it is true, it

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Speaker 2: would mean that the most secure building that a residence

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Speaker 2: in the United States is actually so insecure that someone

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Speaker 2: could bring in anthrax, undertake a legitimate terror attack inside

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Speaker 2: of the White House, and we would be unable to

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Speaker 2: know who did it. So this to me, we got

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who work in the White House

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Speaker 2: press corps who listen to this show. I would love

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Speaker 2: to hear Karine Jean Pierre pressed, Wait a minute, you

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Speaker 2: thought this might be anthrax? Does that mean that someone

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Speaker 2: could bring anthrax into the White House, institute a legit

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Speaker 2: terror attack, and the Biden administration is telling us it

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Speaker 2: would be impossible to figure out who that person was.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good angle that deserves to be explored

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Speaker 2: because I think not only one would it be awful

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Speaker 2: if it were true, but it also exposes the illegitimacy

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Speaker 2: of the argument and the deceit fullness of it to

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Speaker 2: argue to the American public, Oh, we may never know

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Speaker 2: who brought this cocaine in.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they will ever tell us who did it?

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Speaker 4: I do not.

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Speaker 2: I think the pressure should be ratcheted up to the

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Speaker 2: extent that this should be significant.

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Speaker 1: And let me say this, I'm not do you think

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Speaker 1: they're actually gonna tell us? Though? You think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: find out?

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Speaker 2: I think that it is if it's Hunter, Buck, I

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Speaker 2: think they could spin it. If it's Hunter, And I said,

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Speaker 2: as I finished off the first hour, the evidence to

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Speaker 2: given that we know. I saw someone say on on

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Speaker 2: social media, funny analogy. They were like, this is like

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Speaker 2: McDonald's saying when they had Hamburgers stolen, we have no

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Speaker 2: idea who might have stolen the hamburgers. And like the hamburglar,

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Speaker 2: you know, like sitting right out there on the on

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Speaker 1: Know who took the hamburgers either.

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Speaker 2: If you have a drug addict in the White House

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Speaker 2: I think the number one suspective who might bring cocaine

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Speaker 2: into the White House is clearly Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: If it's Hunter, I think they might.

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Speaker 2: Come out Buck and say this is this is what

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Speaker 2: addiction does. The President loves the playbook, the President loves

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Speaker 2: the son, the whole. That's what they always They always

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Speaker 2: say something along those lines. Whenever we find out more

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Speaker 2: about the extent of Biden family corruption, which is what

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Speaker 2: is so important here. They always pretend that this is

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Speaker 2: about some personal animis toward a hundred. I don't really

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Speaker 2: care how many strippers hunter By hangs out with. I

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Speaker 2: don't care how much drugs he does. The fact that

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Speaker 2: he has a security clearance should trouble every American you know.

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Speaker 1: Think about this buck. They are arguing right now to

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Speaker 1: the American.

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Speaker 2: Public, Donald Trump having documents year's old documents in his

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Speaker 2: private residence under Secret Service protection in locked private areas

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Speaker 2: of his club is such an American security threat that

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Speaker 2: he should go to prison for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: While they are simultaneously allowing Hunter Biden, whom we know

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Speaker 2: has deep and extensive ties to the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 2: that he has sold for millions of dollars in ill

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Speaker 2: engaged in reckless behavior both in his personal and private lives.

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Speaker 2: He should be able to get on Air Force one

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Speaker 2: and he should be able to just come in and

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Speaker 3: And that's why the Chinese give him millions of dollars

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Speaker 3: to play right right. This is why because he's He's

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Speaker 3: like the perfect vessel for influence peddling and perhaps even

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Speaker 2: You were in the CIA, can you think of a

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Speaker 2: better potential asset if you were China? Then the drug addled,

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Speaker 2: is so dementia riddled that he has no idea what's

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Speaker 2: going on. I can't think of any more of a

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Speaker 2: for all of these top secret things that are going

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Speaker 2: on on a regular basis with his dad who has

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you were in charge of recruiting assets, Buck,

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Speaker 2: can you think of a better asset like if China

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Speaker 2: had the Hunter Biden equivalent, would we not want to

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Speaker 2: do everything we could to get our fingers into Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden's world if it was China.

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Speaker 3: This is why no one is No one looks at China.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Chinese Communist Party carve out who was

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Speaker 3: sending him money.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are they doing? They're so silly? Why

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Speaker 3: No, the problem is Hunter Biden taking the money, because

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Speaker 3: we all know what he's offering in response.

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Speaker 1: It's with barisma.

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Speaker 3: This is the crazy part that ever needs to remember.

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Speaker 3: That was money well spent. The Chinese Communist Party bribes

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Speaker 3: to Hunter, money well spent. From their perspective, Oh yes,

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Speaker 3: it's a perfect a perfect person to be compromising in

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Speaker 2: I would love if I were trying to corrupt the

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Speaker 2: Chinese government to have the equivalent of Hunter Biden. That

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Speaker 2: we could be corrupting. If Kim Jong un had a

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Speaker 2: and we could give him a few million dollars and

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Speaker 2: spent by our Chinese, by our security apparatus. The Chinese

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Speaker 2: know what they're doing. Ukraine knew what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: The fact that we're still allowing this guy to have

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Speaker 2: disputes is maybe the most compelling sign of a two

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yet I have been perhaps a little salty

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Speaker 3: and a little cynical all along, but I've said they're

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Speaker 3: not gonna Hunter's not going to I mean, and I

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Speaker 3: think it was surprising for people because it was so blatant,

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Speaker 3: the cover up sweetheart deal thing that Hunter got. But

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Speaker 3: that's why when I look at this, at this cocaine situation,

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Speaker 3: there's this is too much of a liability for the

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Speaker 3: powers that be to let this get taken to its fruition,

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Speaker 3: taken to the endpoint here of who is responsible for this,

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Speaker 3: so they will the system will cover it up. And

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Speaker 3: this is the same reason like people that want to

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Speaker 3: understand what's really what was really going on with the Epstein thing, like,

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Speaker 3: how is it that that guy was able to get

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Speaker 3: maybe the only way we find out who the cocaine

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Speaker 1: Was there a cocaine bear movie? Is an assign? Didn't

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Speaker 1: they make a cocaine bear movie recently?

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously no bears in the White House, But

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Speaker 3: I never saw that movie. I wonder if it was

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Speaker 1: The only way we.

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Speaker 3: Find out is if it's someone who is so low

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Speaker 3: and you know that's the only way. But I even

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Speaker 3: then I don't see it happening. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 3: say we could never know, we'll never know who the real.

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Speaker 1: Cocaine baggy person was.

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Speaker 2: Use if that's true, and it could be, that's where

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Speaker 2: the media needs to grill Kareem John Pierre and just say, okay,

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Speaker 2: pretend this was anthrax instead we shut down the White House.

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Speaker 2: For people out there who say, oh, it's just cocaine,

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Speaker 2: why should we care about that much, Well, they shut

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Speaker 2: anthrax and a terror attack. They're telling us that they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to figure out who brought Anthras into

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Speaker 2: the White House if they're telling us they can't find cocaine.

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Speaker 2: Second part on this, Buck, you may be right about

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Speaker 2: low level staffer. And this is where the Democrats play

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Speaker 2: the game. Well, they'll have some low level staffer say,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I brought cocaine. I've had an addiction

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Speaker 2: issue with cocaine. I'm going to go to rehab, and

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Speaker 2: then you know what will happen, Buck, That low level

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Speaker 2: staffer will come out and get a two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a year job somewhere in the Democrat

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Speaker 2: party sinecures where they're taken care of going forward, right,

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Speaker 2: That's what would end up happening, because there won't be

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Speaker 2: and the twenty five year old will say yes, say

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Speaker 2: then get go to you know, rehab whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: and then get a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: But I would bet it's Hunter because ultimately, Buck, I

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Speaker 3: So tell me about the focus on criminal justice from

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Speaker 4: Exactly so. The main prosecutor in Washington, d C. Is

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Speaker 4: Right, So, I mean Matthew Graves is not solely to blame.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just got this breaking news alert from

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Speaker 3: CNN Julie speaking of January sixth and the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 3: A disciplinary committee has officially recommended Rudy Giuliani be disbarred

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Speaker 4: That's right, It's what California Buyer Association is also attempting

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Speaker 1: Six That's exactly what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 3: So that's I was going to say, We know you

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Speaker 1: I just how does that play out him?

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Speaker 3: Because they're also making it harder for all these individuals

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, look at well Nawta, who is the so

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Speaker 4: called vallet. He really struggled to sign a local Florida attorney.

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Speaker 4: Of course, since it's being prosecuted in southern Florida, he

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Speaker 4: criminal indictment of January sixth, because I believe that they

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Speaker 4: will charge him with at least one conspiracy charge, which

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Speaker 4: They brought conspiracy to obstruct and that's how they roped

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Speaker 4: and it very well could be people like Rudy Giuliani

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Speaker 4: There's been rumblings about what Mark Meadows has been up

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Speaker 4: this could be there could be even more major than

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Speaker 4: just another criminal indictment of Donald Trump, but it could

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Speaker 2: She is fabulous when it comes to sharing data that

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Speaker 2: make other people uncomfortable. And I think it's important because

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Speaker 2: facts matter and you can't solve problems without being willing

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge what the facts show. And Heather, we appreciate

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Speaker 2: you being on the program before to discuss all of this,

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Speaker 2: and you have looked at the facts once more. And

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Speaker 2: Buck and I have discussed this in some degree, but

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Speaker 2: we haven't gone into the detail, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: discussion about the Affirmative Action case from the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: which ended the use of race in college and university

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Speaker 2: admissions at least in theory because of discrimination against Asian people.

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Speaker 2: And they're actually really interesting and fascinating studies that have

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Speaker 2: been done into affirmative action. Heather, and you can lay

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Speaker 2: out these studies and what the data actually reflects that

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Speaker 2: show that when you are admitted to a school that

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Speaker 2: academically you would not be admitted to but for your race,

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Speaker 2: the results are actually worse than if you went to

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Speaker 2: a school where your academic profile more accurately matched the

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Speaker 2: school to which you were admitted.

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Speaker 5: Explain, that's absolutely right. We would have more black students

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Speaker 5: graduating in STEM fields without racial preferences, because they would

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Speaker 5: go to schools where they go on the same conditions

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Speaker 5: as every other student. They're admitted to schools for which

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Speaker 5: they are academically qualified, rather than being catapulted into schools

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Speaker 5: for which they are not academically qualified. So there was

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Speaker 5: a very good study done at Duke University that found that,

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Speaker 5: contrary to what one might expect, more black male freshmen

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Speaker 5: enrolled at Duke intending to major in STEM, but by

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Speaker 5: the end of the senior year there were very few

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Speaker 5: black male STEM majors. Why because the black students have

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Speaker 5: been admitted with oh for a standard deviation below those

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Speaker 5: of their what in SAT scores compared to wide and Asians,

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Speaker 5: and they struggled in their STEM classes. It was pitched

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Speaker 5: at a level for which they were not prepared and

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Speaker 5: so they all ended up switching out of those STEM

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Speaker 5: majors and going into Black studies and whatnot. And we

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Speaker 5: know that in law schools, which is the best set

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Speaker 5: of data we have on objective test score measures, at

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Speaker 5: the end of the first year of law school black students,

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Speaker 5: who are almost universally admitted to law schools with racial preferences.

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Speaker 5: Fifty two percent of all black law students nationwide end

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Speaker 5: up in the bottom tenth of their law school class

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Speaker 5: after their first year, and about two thirds end up

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Speaker 5: at the bottom twenty five percent of their schools. Had

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Speaker 5: they been admitted to schools for which they were qualified,

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Speaker 5: they would have succeeded. Take this out of the difficult

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Speaker 5: issue of race, and let's look at sex. And let's

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Speaker 5: imagine that MIT admitted me because it needed more sex

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Speaker 5: paroity or gender parity, which of course they do, and

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Speaker 5: which is a complete irrelevancy. Sex is not relevant to

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Speaker 5: whether you are turning out good engineers or not. But

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Speaker 5: let's say they admitted me with six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 5: on my math SAT on an eight hundred point scale,

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Speaker 5: and all of my colleagues who'd been admitted because they

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Speaker 5: were actually qualified for MIT, unlike me, who was not qualified,

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Speaker 5: I would be among students with eight hundreds on their

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Speaker 5: math SATs. What would happen in my freshman calculus class?

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Speaker 5: I would struggle. I would not be able to keep up.

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Speaker 5: I may decide that MIT was not for me, and

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Speaker 5: what would happen is I would be surrounded by this

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Speaker 5: hornet swarm of diversity consultants that would come and say

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Speaker 5: to me, well, you're the victim of rape culture. You're

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Speaker 5: in a misogynist culture. That's why you're not succeeding. That's

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Speaker 5: why you feel uncomfortable here. That's what happens to black students.

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Speaker 3: They yes, I mean the calculus is sexist. Obviously, that's

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Speaker 3: the real challenge that you're setting up there. If we

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Speaker 3: were to extrapolate this all the way. We're speaking to

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Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald, author of the War on Cops, and she's

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Speaker 3: got an article out affirmative action was hurting black students.

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Speaker 1: It's in the Spectator.

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Speaker 3: Heather, What do we know about the way this has

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Speaker 3: played out with something that you know, you want a

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Speaker 3: good lawyer, right, I mean, you know, just talk to

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Speaker 3: Hunter and Biden, like you want to have a good lawyer,

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Speaker 3: but you really want to have a good doctor. You

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Speaker 3: really want to have the best possible heart surgeon. What

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Speaker 3: do we know about the way the MCATs, which is

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Speaker 3: the standardized test for medical school, have been changed or

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Speaker 3: not not changed the test, but you know they changed

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Speaker 3: the standards based on affirmative action in the past.

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Speaker 5: Well, black students wouldn't be admitted to medical schools with

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Speaker 5: MCAT scores and GPAs from college that would be automatically

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Speaker 5: disqualifying if presented by Whites or Asians, and as predicted

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Speaker 5: by this mismatch theory, they end up at the bottom

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Speaker 5: of their class. And so what we're now doing is

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Speaker 5: changing the standards for licensing doctors. After the second year

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Speaker 5: of medical schools, students take medical students take something called

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Speaker 5: Step one of the US Medical Licensing Exam that used

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Speaker 5: to be a graded test, and it would be used

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Speaker 5: by hospital residencies to select their residents. Because black students

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Speaker 5: scored so poorly on the Step one exam, again predictably

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Speaker 5: because they've all been catapulted into schools for which they

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Speaker 5: are not competitively qualified, the licensing board decided to get

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Speaker 5: rid of scores on step one and just go to

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Speaker 5: a pass failed basis, so that residencies selecting their residents

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Speaker 5: would not know how students rank. And the pressure is

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Speaker 5: now on course to change step one step two, and

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Speaker 5: pressure is on. We are already getting rid of the

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Speaker 5: traditional standards for medical society honor societies, moving away from

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Speaker 5: academic achievement into community involvement, which basically means you're agitating

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Speaker 5: for more racial preferences in medical schools or more racial

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Speaker 5: hiring in medical faculty as a student.

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Speaker 3: You know, Heather, I know you're up on this too.

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Speaker 3: In the recent or firmative Action decision that came down,

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Speaker 3: Justice Jackson had this line about how I think it

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Speaker 3: was a black baby, is has double the survival rate

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Speaker 3: if that baby has a black doctor delivering it versus

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Speaker 3: a white doctor.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the passage I'm talking about?

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Speaker 5: Yes, And it was completely misread. The study itself was wrong,

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Speaker 5: and she misread this. It's preposterous. This is a topic

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Speaker 5: that is really taboo to study. But I was recently

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Speaker 5: told about a healthy coymoust at Harvard who figured out

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Speaker 5: a way to come up with some randomized control sample

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Speaker 5: to see how people with heart attacks that were driving

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Speaker 5: on the roads did in hospitals and managed to correlate

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Speaker 5: it to race of doctors. And the results were so

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Speaker 5: damning that the guy didn't publish the paper because he

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Speaker 5: knew that if he did, his career would be over.

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Speaker 5: And so it just goes to short. You know, either

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Speaker 5: we really do not believe that there's such a thing

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Speaker 5: as academic merit, and that it's actually possible that there's

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Speaker 5: some people that actually no calculus and I don't. There's

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Speaker 5: some people who actually understand physics and I don't. If

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Speaker 5: we don't believe that, then les, let's get rid of

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Speaker 5: all testing. Let's just admit students based on a lottery.

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Speaker 5: You know, if the schools really believe this, they're complete hypocrites.

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Speaker 5: They take absolutely contradictory positions that on the one hand, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: we don't really want to pay too much attention to scores.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, they continue to do so. But

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Speaker 5: if they really didn't believe that the scores matter, they

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Speaker 5: should just admit students by lottery. But of course it

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Speaker 5: does matter. We all experience there's people who are better

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Speaker 5: at academic tasks than others, and those are the ones

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Speaker 5: that we should be selecting, as you say, for our doctors,

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Speaker 5: for our pilots. And right now everywhere we look racist

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Speaker 5: trumping merit, and we have decided as a society that

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Speaker 5: we would rather have diversity than meritocracy, because at present

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Speaker 5: you can't have both. The academic skills gap is so

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Speaker 5: great that any time at an institution proudly proclaims we

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Speaker 5: are pursuing diversity. Here's how you uncode that statement. It

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Speaker 5: means we have jettison to meritocracy.

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Speaker 1: I think this is also important, Julie.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to circle back to the first bit of

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Speaker 2: information you were sharing, that Duke study. Sorry, Heather, Julie's

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Speaker 2: coming up next, Heather, that first study that you shared

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Speaker 2: with us. What you're saying, I think this is so

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Speaker 2: important and I want to hammer at home is if

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Speaker 2: you are a black kid who's admitted, let's say, to Duke,

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Speaker 2: and you go in thinking, hey, I did pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I want to be a doctor, and you go in

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Speaker 2: or scientist, and you go into that first year biology

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Speaker 2: class and you get a d because you are going

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Speaker 2: head to head with the most supremely talented kids who

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Speaker 2: all want to be doctors. Right, There's a huge percentage

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Speaker 2: of kids that go into Duke thinking I want to

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Speaker 2: be a doctor, and then you get the cold, hard

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Speaker 2: slap of reality in physics, or you get it in

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Speaker 2: high level biology, and you end up dropping back and

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Speaker 2: you're a major in some soft social sciences because it's

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Speaker 2: harder to get exposed. I think this is true and

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Speaker 2: I was a history major. I think it's harder to

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Speaker 2: get exposed in history or English, which is why a

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there ended up history or English

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Speaker 2: majors like me. Then you would if you went into

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Speaker 2: a hard science or a hard math. But if that

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Speaker 2: kid had not gone on to Duke, Let's say instead,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to take a shot here, but

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Speaker 2: let's say that kid who goes to Duke instead goes

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Speaker 2: to NC State. He might end up a doctor because

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Speaker 2: the quality of the class in math, in science, the

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Speaker 2: difficulty of it is better matched with his or her

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Speaker 2: academic I think that's so key. You're actually penalizing the

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Speaker 2: kid and he's not achieving what he otherwise would have

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Speaker 2: by going to a school that's so far above his

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Speaker 2: academic ability.

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Speaker 5: It's an absolutely cruel and heartless and self involved policy

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Speaker 5: on the part of these academic administrators that are determined

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Speaker 5: to look out on their faces. You know, they're suitably

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Speaker 5: diverse faces. It's putting black students at a disadvantage. It

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Speaker 5: is subjected them to psychological stress. And the real key

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Speaker 5: here is that this whole discourse is so nauseatingly elitist.

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Speaker 5: The heads of Harvard and Yale and UC Berkeley all say, well,

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Speaker 5: where will we get the future leaders of tomorrow if

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Speaker 5: we can't have racial affirmative action that catapults black students

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Speaker 5: into our schools who are not prepared. The idea is

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Speaker 5: is that if they do go to North Carolina State University,

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Speaker 5: or you see Riverside or you see a Santa Cruz

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Speaker 5: or Ervine, that that's just the end of the world.

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Speaker 5: They can't possibly compete, they can't possibly become leaders. That's

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Speaker 5: just a lie. And the mystery in this whole debate

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Speaker 5: is why these colleges that are not the name brand

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Speaker 5: IVY leagues haven't stood up for themselves and said, excuse me,

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Speaker 5: if students go to my school, they will be just

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Speaker 5: as prepared to go to medical school or law school.

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Speaker 5: They will be just as prepared to be leaders in

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Speaker 5: their community. We offer a completely sound and excellent education.

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Speaker 5: But we're all supposed to believe that if it's the

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Speaker 5: end of the world for black students to go to

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Speaker 5: a school for which they are academically matched with thousands

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Speaker 5: and thousands of other white and Asian and Hispanic students,

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Speaker 5: why should any student suffer that disability? Why don't we

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Speaker 5: shut down North Carolina State University, Bates College, you know,

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Speaker 5: you name it, North Carolina, any of them, all, the

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Speaker 5: whole California State university systems. Shut them all down because

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Speaker 5: it's the end of the world for somebody who goes there,

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Speaker 5: and so that everybody can go to Harvard and Yale.

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Speaker 1: Excellent point, Heather McDonald.

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Speaker 3: Everybody check out her piece in the Spectator on how

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Speaker 3: furmative action was hurting the black students. Heather, thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for being with.

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Speaker 5: Us, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Claim, But look, this could go.

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Speaker 3: Down as the worst government powagram in history. According to

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Speaker 1: That's come up in a moment.

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Speaker 3: First up though, starting Monday, the tenth of July, we

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Speaker 2: talked about I think that Monday of this week, Green Bay, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: In South Dakota, was it Peer South Dakota. I think

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Speaker 1: Super Falls. Is that we're talking about Sue Falls. My bad.

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Speaker 2: I hope we're on in Peer South Dakota. Or it's

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Speaker 2: where my grandfather was allegedly born. I've never this is

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Speaker 2: like family lore.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's tough to sometimes track this stuff down

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Speaker 3: for sure, but we believe he was born in uh

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Speaker 3: sou Fall, South Dakota. So I got to be careful

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Speaker 3: here because this is where I always I've had a

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Speaker 3: ongoing inability to distinguish between North and South Dakota. And

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Speaker 3: I know right now in the Dakota's people are losing

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Speaker 3: their minds. But yes, Peer South Dakota.

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Speaker 2: Do you know I always had pronounced it, Pierre, did

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Speaker 2: you know that buckets pronounced Peer?

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Speaker 1: Well, why not just say yes? Because you know I'm

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Speaker 1: on the spot here.

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Speaker 2: I know I did not get to know I had

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Speaker 2: I had South Dakota furious because I was like when

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Speaker 2: I was doing sports talker radio, we added an affiliate,

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Speaker 2: and what I thought was Pierre South Dakota. I was

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Speaker 2: talking about how excited I was to add it, and

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Speaker 2: I the the good people of Peer South Dakota let

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Speaker 2: me know I had no idea. I remember I state

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Speaker 2: capitals back in the day. I've been saying it wrong regionally,

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Speaker 2: you know, for out in Long Island. There are some

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Speaker 2: stops on the L I R R, some towns that

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Speaker 2: I've spent time in in the past, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you can read it and you'll say, oh, run Konkoma,

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Speaker 2: but actually it's run Konkama that's how you got to

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Speaker 2: say it, or Patchog, you know, so it's it's a local.

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Speaker 3: There's local flavors some of these things. One that I

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Speaker 3: know is absolutely the case, the variations. And we're we're

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Speaker 3: number one in this city, so I should make sure

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Speaker 3: that I get it as right.

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Speaker 1: As I can.

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Speaker 3: The variations on the town that I grew up in

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Speaker 3: New York. Hearing of as Louisville is fascinating. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of different ways. There's you know,

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Speaker 3: Louisville and you know, I can't even do them all.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of different stuff. I'm a yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: a Louisville person. Is the way that I always pronounce it. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Southern accents factor in. You're talking about the great state

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Speaker 3: of Kentucky right now. One of my favorites is when

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Speaker 3: it's a city that is named after a city.

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Speaker 2: So there is outside of Lexington, Kentucky, where we're also

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Speaker 2: on a great town called vers Sales, Kentucky. If you're

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Speaker 2: sitting out there and you're like, oh, I wonder how

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Speaker 2: that's spelled. It's named after the French palace Versailles. But

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Speaker 2: if you pronounce Versailles Kentucky, you will be absolutely ridiculed

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Speaker 2: to the height of and they'll have no idea what

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Speaker 2: you're talking about. It's Versailles, Kentucky. Versailles is the palace,

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Speaker 2: even though it was named after the palace Versailles.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is the cathedral Notre Dame. That's right. That's

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Speaker 1: a big ten, is that right? No? No, damn it,

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Speaker 1: I actually thought I had that one.

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Speaker 2: That's to be fair to you, that's a tough one

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Speaker 2: on sports, because Notre Dame should be in the big ten.

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Speaker 2: They're independent, they're not a member of any company. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a trick that I agree, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's kind of.

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Speaker 3: Like going out to South Bend this fall, so I'm

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Speaker 3: putting in my South ben time.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit buck like what I always thought

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Speaker 2: was really unfair when you took a test back in

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Speaker 2: the and one of the answer choices was none of

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Speaker 2: the above.

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Speaker 1: You're like, you know how much.

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Speaker 2: Confidence you have to be to have in the answer

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Speaker 2: to go none of the above. I always felt like

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Speaker 2: that was an unfair teaching move to really kind of

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Speaker 2: taunt you to go with the none of the above

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Speaker 2: as the multiple choice answer question.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I had mentioned the View and we were talking with

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Speaker 3: Heather McDonald a few moments ago last hour about affirmative

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Speaker 3: action and where it stands Now thought this was very

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Speaker 3: illuminating SoundBite from the View, where they do very astute

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Speaker 3: constitutional and legal analysis on a daily basis. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Joy Behar could practically sit on the Supreme Court herself.

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Speaker 1: But here we go.

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Speaker 3: Here is the sense you get from Sonny Houston of

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Speaker 3: the View about affirmative action.

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Speaker 6: Play it the lived experience of a white kid in

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Speaker 6: Appalachia or perhaps on a potato farm in Idaho, Orland

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Speaker 6: or Brooklyn is different in this country for a black student,

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Speaker 6: whether that black student be wealthy or not, because this

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Speaker 6: country was founded on slavery.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is very interesting because you've been hearing this

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Speaker 3: adversity scores. Let's talk about adversity scores. Once you start

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Speaker 3: to dig into the real numbers and look at what's

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Speaker 3: really going on, what you find is that a lot

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Speaker 3: of these schools, you know, there's been all this talk

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Speaker 3: about legacies, there have been multiple generations now of affirmative

864
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Speaker 3: action school attendees. At the most elite schools, their children

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Speaker 3: get legacy too, obviously, right, and the benefit of affirmative

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Speaker 3: action on top of legacy admissions. So if you attack

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Speaker 3: legacy admissions, it's not as clear as some people want

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Speaker 3: to think it is that it's just going to go

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Speaker 3: after like the upper class or upper middle class white

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Speaker 3: and Asian students. But even beyond that, so we are

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Speaker 3: to believe that to be wealthy and black in America

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Speaker 3: is still a This is what she is saying. She's

873
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Speaker 3: arguing that that is still such a disadvantage, so that

874
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: a wealthy black student applicant to Harvard should get to go.

875
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: You know, say, if you know father or mother works

876
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: in media or makes millions and millions of dollars, should

877
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: get to go to Harvard over a kid who you

878
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: know grew up in a single parent household, who has

879
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: been trying to help raise his three or four siblings,

880
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 3: who is white, from a low income household.

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Speaker 1: That is the.

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Speaker 3: Belief of the elites, as you just heard from Sunny Houston.

883
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where I think all of you

884
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Speaker 2: out there would agree if I gave you an option.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's a binary choice. You can either be the

886
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: son or.

887
00:48:53,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: Daughter of a white family growing up in Appalachia right Tucky,

888
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: West Virginia, Tennessee, an area where there is not a

889
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: lot of opportunity and your parents make a combined income

890
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Speaker 2: of thirty thousand dollars a year.

891
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Okay, you have that option.

892
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: But you can be white, or you can be the

893
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: son or daughter of multi millionaire black parents. Is there

894
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: anyone who's saying, from a pure advantage perspective, being a

895
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: white poor kid cancels out being a black rich kid.

896
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody out there in America who

897
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: is being honest buck that would say, yes, being white

898
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: is worth me being not a multi millionaire. That's the test, right,

899
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: That's what Sonny's really arguing. And if she were on here,

900
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: and if she actually had to answer honest questions, because

901
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: that's the challenge that we have in media today. People

902
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: like Sonny Houstin get to talk to an audience of

903
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: stupid people and say things that are profoundly dishonest that

904
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: they wouldn't even be able to make the case for it.

905
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: Like you or I, if we went on the view,

906
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: would say the exact same thing that we say on

907
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: this show, and people could agree or disagree with it,

908
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: and they could quiz us on it, and we would

909
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: defend our position. Sonny Hostin won't come on this show,

910
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: and if she did, if I just asked her that question.

911
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: So wait, you're telling me that a poor white kid

912
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: in West Virginia whose parents make a combined thirty thousand

913
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: dollars a year is more advantaged than your kids are,

914
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 2: who are now the son and daughter of multimillionaires.

915
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: I think we can even be more blatant the poor

916
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: kid in let's say Harlan County, Kentucky, which is one

917
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: of the per capita of poorest counties in the entire

918
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: United States and overwhelmingly white. A poor kid from Harlan County, Kentucky.

919
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: His white privilege is so magical. I was so powerful, powerful,

920
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: so profound, that it is more advantageous for him in

921
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: life in America. Then let's say a black you know,

922
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: young man who's black, who grows up in New York

923
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: City and has an investment banker father, and you know,

924
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: a school president mother or something, and you know, with

925
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: a combined household didn't come of you know, two million

926
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 3: dollars a year.

927
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Harvard should take the latter candidate over the

928
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: former because his white privilege is that powerful. That is delusional, delusional.

929
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example from my own life. Buck,

930
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: you mentioned Harlan County, Kentucky. All of the Travis family.

931
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure if we're on here. If we are,

932
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: blow me up and let me know on Twitter, all

933
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: of the Travis families from Muhlenberg County, Kentucky. That is

934
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: southern Kentucky. Still not a super wealthy community to this day.

935
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: My grandfather, who I was named after, had an eighth

936
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: grade education, dropped out of school to work in the

937
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: mines in this area of Kentucky where there's lots of

938
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: white people, decided that he didn't want to work the

939
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: rest of his life in the minds because his father

940
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: died of black lung disease and came down to Nashville

941
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: and spent the rest of his life working in the

942
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: DuPont factory in Old Hickory, Tennessee. I don't think that

943
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: he had a massive amount of white privilege. That's not

944
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: even speaking today, Buck, that's speaking one hundred years ago.

945
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: He was born in nineteen oh five. He his dad

946
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: died of black lung disease, he tried to avoid dying

947
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: of black lung disease and worked in a factory.

948
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: His whole life.

949
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident that there wasn't a great deal of

950
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: white privilege in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky for his entire life.

951
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: That's one hundred years ago, not even today. You think

952
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: about the way these schools also have been doing admissions

953
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: up to this point. They will, for all intents and purposes,

954
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: treat the you know, and there are you know, I

955
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: went to school with some of these kids when we

956
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: were kids, when we were younger.

957
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know, I've seen.

958
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: This, a multi millionaire black student from Africa, you know,

959
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: the son of a senior official for a Nigerian you

960
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: know oil company for example, or the son of a

961
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: and the guy you know, someone who owns like some

962
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: of the biggest malls in Kenya, or you know some

963
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: of these. That student who arrives at Harvard is treated

964
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: as a student that goes in the diversity category of

965
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: look at how diverse we are because we have a

966
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: black student. Now you could say, okay, that is the

967
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: racial diversity. You're talking what is the adversity there? If

968
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: we're now going to do adversity score. Someone explained that to.

969
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: Me and beyond that buck, beyond the adversity score. Also,

970
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: the point of affirmative action is to deal with a

971
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: legacy of slavery.

972
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: It applies as you know.

973
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: You never were a slave in the unit. You have

974
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: no ancestors who were slaves in the United States. In fact,

975
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: you might have actually been a part of the African

976
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: slave trade, and that your ancestors.

977
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: Might have sold slaves to America.

978
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: Because everybody doesn't even want to talk about the fact

979
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: that the first time people were captives and became slaves

980
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: was actually from one African tribe to another. They were

981
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: selling their enemies into slavery in the United States, pocketing

982
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: the money. There's no legacy of slavery for someone who

983
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: has arrived from Nigeria or from Kenya and is now

984
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: profiting off of affirmative action.

985
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: It is a the admissions and also it's true in hiring,

986
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: it is a racial spoils system. And now we're also

987
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: seeing increasingly it is a you know, victimized category spoil system,

988
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: as in if you are a transgender or non binary

989
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: or cisgender or whatever, that's also taken into account here.

990
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: There is a Latino advantage and admission based on what

991
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 3: based on lack of representation.

992
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: They would say. Well, you'd say, hold on a second,

993
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: that's a quota.

994
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: And we've all agreed from the very beginning of this,

995
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: going all the way back to the Supreme Court case backy,

996
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: that quotas are wrong. Well, you know what we've just

997
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 3: had all along here, everyone, that's what we've seen. You've

998
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: had decades of stealth quotas, of these institutions having quotas

999
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: in place and just lying about it.

1000
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: That's all.

1001
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: It is saying that they were dealing with racism by

1002
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: committing more racism.

1003
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: That's all it is. That's what they've done. And you know, now.

1004
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 3: We'll see if because the whole adversity score thing I

1005
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 3: find faceting clay, if you've overcome the adversity in terms

1006
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: of getting into Harvard, you know, your applications before the

1007
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: admissions committee, this person because of their overcoming of adversity,

1008
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: we should bring them in. Did they overcome If they

1009
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: overcame the adversity, why do they need a leg up

1010
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: on everybody else? On the other you know, eighty five

1011
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: students were applying, you know, overcome adversity. And why Okay,

1012
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: you say the first in their family to go to

1013
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: college or something. You'd sit there and say, all right,

1014
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: not I don't want to say NC statiing am, but

1015
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: we all know you know what about an excellent state school.

1016
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 3: Oh that's not good enough for a student whose grades

1017
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: reflect that's exactly where he or she should go.

1018
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: Why?

1019
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are the questions that is why on this

1020
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 3: look man, A furnive action is one of the first

1021
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: things that made me realize I'm a conservative. I remember

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1024
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1025
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1026
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,960
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1027
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,319
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1028
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,399
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1029
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1030
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