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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and tie Dan Robinstein,

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Speaker 1: my great and good friend, Welcome back to the Cliverbal

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Speaker 1: College Football Podcast. You have a good weekend. You're ready

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Speaker 1: to go. You excited for the show. It's good to

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Speaker 1: see you as always. You look beaming. Let's say you

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Speaker 1: had a good weekend some sports.

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Speaker 2: We actually went to the Northwestern Oregon basketball game. The

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Speaker 2: boys are rooting for Oregon, who lost on a buzzer beater.

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Speaker 2: And I had one kid in tears. And I had

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Speaker 2: one kid, the younger one, the five year old, yelling

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Speaker 2: from the upper deck accusing Northwestern of cheating. And uh,

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Speaker 2: we had a first grade basketball game last night. Everything's great, Tye,

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Speaker 2: I'm living the life.

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Speaker 1: You should take into a Michigan game. Man, he'd being company.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have that kind of scratch tie

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Speaker 2: to get Michigan tickets. They're a top five team, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I have no they were just here.

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Speaker 2: They lost to Duke in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're gonna have a youngling call

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Speaker 1: out cheating, you might be in the wrong spot.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true. But that's that's a great introduction to

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Speaker 2: college sports, right, losing and then the accusing the other

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Speaker 2: team of somehow, you know, subverting the rules to get

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Speaker 2: their win. I think that's great. But yeah, Oregon's basketball

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Speaker 2: team is not having its best season this year, but

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Speaker 2: it was still fun to get out there and watch

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Speaker 2: some big ted basketball.

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Speaker 1: And I think get confirmation that you're raising your sons correctly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they cared, they were locked in, and they cared.

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Speaker 2: It was really fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back in one and all, Hit Follow, Hit subscribe.

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Speaker 1: all throughout the offseason. Obviously, as we get a little

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Speaker 1: last few weeks. Yeah, it's great. That of course goes

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Speaker 1: directly to Dan and I as well. What are we

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Speaker 1: talking about today, Dan.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about because it's not really spring, so

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Speaker 2: it's not really spring cleaning, but it's an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: talk about coordinators, and we're sort of steering into home

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Speaker 2: improvement because I mean, we're locking in I believe, mostly,

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Speaker 2: if not entirely, on coordinators that were hired to coach

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Speaker 2: under pre existing head coach, right right, And I think

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Speaker 2: it's largely that you have I think one who is

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Speaker 2: coaching under a head coach, but has experience under that

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Speaker 2: I couldn't Already, when people.

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Speaker 1: Hear it, they'll understand why I couldn't help myself.

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Speaker 2: I know that's okay, And there's enough returning at that

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Speaker 2: is needed. So that's what we're doing. Where's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this guy was hired to improve X, Y, and Z

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Speaker 2: that was deficient last season, the twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 2: This is what the schedule looks like. This is what

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Speaker 2: does or doesn't look like. And we're looking at it

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Speaker 2: in terms of what kind of home improvement job is

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Speaker 2: just looking at a couple of rooms that need updating

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Speaker 2: here where we're just like, oh, we got a tinker there,

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Speaker 2: So we're attacking the new coordinator home improvement jobs at hands.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that was a sufficient description of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta protect that the honor and dignity got

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Speaker 2: to protect this defense or offense.

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Speaker 1: Ya gotta protect the house. You've got something to say

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Speaker 1: in response to any of this, soliverble at gmail dot

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Speaker 1: emails come in. Yeah, lately as well, now that I

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Speaker 1: here for content that we can address here in the

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Speaker 1: off season. So just know that that's not falling on

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Speaker 1: much as we can here and make the off season

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Speaker 1: as fun as possible. Why don't you kick this off

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Speaker 1: because when we had our normally scheduled production call on

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, this was your idea. This, this whole idea

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Speaker 1: was was due to Dan Rubinstein. So play the sound

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Speaker 1: to give me your first coordinator, and uh, let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's have a conversation here about what needs to get

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Speaker 2: The first one I want to do is one of

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Speaker 2: the more I tose all interesting coordinators to me, so

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Speaker 2: The first one I want to talk about is Gary

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Speaker 2: Patterson at USC okay. Gary Patterson with a history of

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Speaker 2: running a sometimes pretty good, sometimes very good, sometimes unbeatable

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Speaker 2: you want to quit it to actual home renovations? We

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Speaker 2: don't have to. That's where my mind went with USC.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are two homeowners, so it's not too

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Speaker 2: The difficulty is the offense is that they're facing this year,

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Speaker 2: They're at Penn State, who knows what that offense is

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Speaker 2: very good. Indiana's on the road. UCLA is you know,

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Speaker 2: quote unquote on the road, but you know, interesting pieces

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Speaker 2: Their offense should perform given what they return. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the receiver is new, whatever. But I think Gary Patterson

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Speaker 1: He's sixty six years old. Yeah, he's been out of

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Speaker 1: That that's right. And roster, Yeah, that's right. And we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. Their ability to pressure the quarterback kind

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see what Patterson brings to this now,

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Speaker 1: Patterson knows what he's doing. From a defensive standpoint. For me,

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Speaker 1: On that front, I think there's enough back to feel

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Speaker 1: It definitely for me came a little bit out of

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Speaker 1: And I think that's my point. Yeah, because for a

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Speaker 1: is prioritizing some sort of continuity. Right. That said, they

433
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Speaker 1: do have some guys that got to replace, some big

434
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Speaker 1: names that need to be replaced. The leading tackler, Dylan Theena.

435
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Speaker 1: You saw Dylan Theeneman was running like crazy at the

436
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Speaker 1: combine four to three.

437
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

438
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Speaker 1: So there are a couple of key pieces defensively that

439
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Speaker 1: I think we can discuss here and how Chris Hampton

440
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: is able to plug those gaps of what it looks

441
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Speaker 1: like schematically. But how did you feel, as an organ

442
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: guy with what Lanning did here to backfill these two spots,

443
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: because again they needed two new coordinators.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the defensive coordinator promotion was not a

445
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Speaker 2: surprise at all. That makes sense to me, Chris Hampton,

446
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, has experienced as a coordinator, was at Tulane

447
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: with Willie Fritz before, and I think he's just super

448
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: well regarded in the SECONDARYA has been good and has

449
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: recruited well like I think, I think he's It fits

450
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: like a glove in terms of making sense of that

451
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: higher linebacker needs to get better. We'll see on the

452
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: defensive line depth. But I don't think anybody has any

453
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: real serious questions that this Oregon defense can be good

454
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: once again, the very least offensively. It's interesting Drew Meranger

455
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: has if it is Drew Merringer has experienced calling offenses,

456
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Speaker 2: sometimes decently, sometimes less. So he is on the Tom

457
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: Herman tree going back to Iowa State, Ohio State, and Texas.

458
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: So was there Sam Ellinger. The best of Sam Ellinger

459
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: was Drew Marranger involved with it. They returned too much.

460
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Speaker 2: It would be so difficult to screw this offense up.

461
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: It would be so so difficult. If look, the offensive

462
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Speaker 2: line should work out. It's a lot of you know,

463
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Speaker 2: internal promotions, you know, losing a couple guys. They brought

464
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Speaker 2: in a a guy from I want to say Yale,

465
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: who may start at right tackle. They should be stacked

466
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: at running back receivers should be a great room tight

467
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: end even without Kenyon Sadiq should be in a good place.

468
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Speaker 2: With Jamari Johnson, I think the big thing is and

469
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Speaker 2: he has experienced coaching quarterbacks and there is I think

470
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Speaker 2: an internal promotion in terms of quarterbacks coach. The big thing.

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Speaker 1: The big question for Oregon to take the next step

472
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Speaker 1: is Dante Moore. Like what.

473
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Speaker 2: It's almost like, what can you get out of Dante

474
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Speaker 2: Moore that he couldn't do in the biggest games last season?

475
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Speaker 2: And that's the big question because he didn't have a

476
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Speaker 2: great game against Texas tack He obviously didn't have a

477
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: great game, especially initially against Indiana and then the end

478
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Speaker 2: of the Indiana game in the first instance. So it's

479
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Speaker 2: what kind of And he was probably promoted at least

480
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: partially because he's fluent in this Oregon offense and so

481
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: that makes things easier for Dante Moore that you don't

482
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Speaker 2: have to sell him on a stranger and so I

483
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Speaker 2: get it, But I wonder, I wonder if this is

484
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Speaker 2: the absolute best that they could do. Maybe it's the

485
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Speaker 2: absolute best thing they could do for the guys there.

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Speaker 1: Well that so that's my question, right, my big question

487
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: is was this truly the best that they could do

488
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: or was this more of a strategic decision knowing what

489
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Speaker 1: they've got on the roster, knowing that you got another

490
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Speaker 1: year of Dante more, knowing that they're going to be

491
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Speaker 1: one of the top you know, probably six seven teams

492
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Speaker 1: in the country at a minimum going into next season.

493
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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily want to upset the apple cart too

494
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Speaker 1: much and put yourself in a spot where guys are

495
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: learning new new verbiage, guys are learning to do everything

496
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: when you've got a ready built playoff caliber roster right now.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. And by the way, the

498
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: quieter part of this all is, if Dante Moore rolls

499
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: an ankle, how quickly does he get Dylan Ryola up

500
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: to speak right? How good of a teacher can he be?

501
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: And the new quarterbacks I think it's Ka kai is

502
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: The sounds like Cobra kai right. Then the new quarterbacks coach,

503
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: who is a former Oregon tight end himself, how quickly

504
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: is he able to teach this offense should he need to?

505
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: First year on the job, so in this job, Look,

506
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a big swing. And this is a

507
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: sort of this is a year with what Oregon's bringing

508
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: back on both sides in terms of seniors and upperclassmen.

509
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: It's it's all in, man, It's all in with this

510
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: type of promotion and paying what they are for.

511
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: You know.

512
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: The guys coming back.

513
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Speaker 1: They're on the road at USC, They're on the road

514
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, They're home in the following week against Michigan,

515
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: and then they close out the season at home in

516
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: Autin against the Washington squad that I think should be

517
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: pretty decent. They've also got Boise State to open up

518
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: their season on September the fifth, If that one's in audtin,

519
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: who knows what they get in week two on the

520
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: road at Oklahoma State. It's gonna be a different Oklahoma

521
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: State squad. We'll find out pretty quick what that defense

522
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: is made of. I'm assuming, at least on the passing front.

523
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: But I don't look at this schedule and feel the

524
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: same way I do about the Texas schedule. But there

525
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: are some land mines on here. And if the defense, yes,

526
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, if I think the defense will remain solid,

527
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: but if in fact there's going to be any kind

528
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: of hiccups on here, there are a couple offenses that

529
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: I look at and I say, all right, these are

530
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: some squads that I think could test them.

531
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Speaker 2: Yes, but on the flip side, there is only one

532
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: obviously good defense on this schedule. There is, And so

533
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: if you're talking about Drew Merranger and Dante Moore or whatever,

534
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: and the wealth that they should have at receiver and

535
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: running back doesn't mean that there won't be more. But

536
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: in terms of we don't like know what Michigan's is

537
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: going to be, Like you don't know Washington, we don't

538
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: know us. So we know a how state is going

539
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: to feel a good defense at the very least, there's

540
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Speaker 2: one that's a good starting point, it seems.

541
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Speaker 1: Give me the sound, Dan, I want to go over

542
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: to Arkansas.

543
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Do we think it's Ron Roberts or Ron Robert? Which

545
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: is the eternal question, Robert, Yeah, it's Ron Roberts. I

546
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: actually really like this higher for Arkansas. Why I really

547
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: like this Actually the more I looked at it and

548
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: thought about it, And this is one of those cases

549
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: where we, I guess, kind of veered away from our

550
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: initial rules. And it is a new coach, new coordinators

551
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: across the board, but Ron Roberts in particular is a

552
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: really interesting higher for me. I'm curious why you feel

553
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: that way.

554
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So he runs a four two five. His institutional

555
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: knowledge having coached both in the region at Louisiana, at

556
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Baylor in Texas and then Auburn Florida, his institutional knowledge

557
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: of the SEC is high, a very high. His results.

558
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: I think Florida fans for the most part, and they

559
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: were dealing with a lot last season, especially once they

560
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: it was an interim situation in Gainesville. But I really

561
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: do think Ron Roberts did a good job. He did

562
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: a really go for the most part. So I think

563
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: the vibes are good with Ron Roberts. And the big

564
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: thing that Arkansas is doing in an interesting way is

565
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: I think they brought in something like forty plus total

566
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: transfers in the first Ryan Silverfield class. So this is

567
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 2: we don't know what specifically he's going to fix, because

568
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: everything needs to be fixed.

569
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Speaker 1: Everything needed to be fixed.

570
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: Do you know how hard it is to have a

571
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: bad defense with an elite rushing attack. Do you know

572
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: how much easier it is when you're able to control

573
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: the ball and you're good on third downs on offense.

574
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: It does so many favors for your own defense, and

575
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: Arkansas's defense was still trash last year, and so the

576
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: Arkansas portal strategy at least seemed to be, let's go

577
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: after highly regarded recent recruits, guys that are red shirt, freshman, sophomore,

578
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: the something who really didn't see the field that much

579
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: but ended up at big places. And so they're bringing

580
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: a mix of those guys, especially upfront, Zadavian Sims from Oregon,

581
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: it's Trajan Odum from Ohio State. They brought in a

582
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: well regarded corner from Tulane who actually played well at Tulane.

583
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: But it's just a giant mystery. This is a full

584
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: gut renovation job. And I think there's a reason why

585
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: they spent. I think he's like one of the eight

586
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: or nine highest paid coordinators in the sport, like around

587
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: two million dollars, which means one, he was in demand,

588
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: and two Arkansas found their guy and was willing to

589
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: pay whatever it was going to take to sign their guy.

590
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: So this is from the studs, But it's easier in

591
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six to do that. It's easier if you

592
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: were able to open the coffers, which Arkansas hasn't always

593
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: been able to do. We'll see if this specific strategy

594
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: works out for them, But if the bodies are there,

595
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: if Ron Roberts continues to be a good team, schedule

596
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: is difficult for Arkansas Gauntlet, but in terms of controlling

597
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: what they can control, I think they found a really

598
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: good contractor Look, it's again, it's to the studs. It's foundation,

599
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: it's flooring, it's the roof, it's the backyard. Everything needs

600
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: a ton of attention from this Arkansas defense because once again,

601
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: they had the offense last year. They were competitive last year,

602
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: they just couldn't get stops. Ever, no, there was a

603
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of like losing forty one thirty eight, So thirty

604
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: eight thirty five's that type of season for Arkansas. So

605
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: if if you're the Hogs, and obviously this athletics department

606
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: has shown a willingness to pay, they bring in Ryan Silverfield,

607
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: whose history of defenses is not great.

608
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: Well, and that's and that's I thought, that's where you're

609
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: going to go with this. But that's where I'll go

610
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: with this place. Ron Roberts, I think is already on

611
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: the record. Maybe I just made this up, but I

612
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: believe he's on the record saying something the effect of

613
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: the defense looked disc connected. Yeah, which we know. We

614
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: know you read off the numbers. We know. Okay, that

615
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: part I think is pretty evident. He's also on record

616
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: saying that they need a cultural reboot on defense in

617
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: terms of discipline, in terms of effort. Again, not exactly

618
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: a surprise if you look at these numbers. What I

619
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: like about Ron Roberts though, is he's very much regarded

620
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: as like a coach's coach. He's kind of regarded as

621
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: an innovator. Yeah, in this space, runs a very complex defense.

622
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: It's based a lot around confusing quarterbacks, sim pressures, things

623
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: of that nature. I think a random Pete Golden, a

624
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: bunch of other guys who run similar versions of it.

625
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: That he was a coordinator for Randa at Baylor and

626
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: had a top twenty defense.

627
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Exactly like all these guys are sort of interconnected in

628
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: terms of their ideas on the defensive side of the ball.

629
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: Whatever.

630
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: I hear that somebody runs a complex defense and they're

631
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: starting from square one and they're coming in and they're

632
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: part of a reboot, that always gives me cause for

633
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: pause or favorite pet charity. I don't like hearing that

634
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: because to me, that sounds like it's going to be

635
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: hard to learn, right, Is that a bad thing? Not

636
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: necessarily for get the results. But Ron Roberts to me

637
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: is a little bit different because he does have a

638
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: track record for coming in albeit with however complex the

639
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: defense is, and stabilizing a sinking ship, and we saw

640
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: him do that at Florida recently. Did a good job.

641
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: Right At first he was a co defensive coordinator with

642
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Austin Armstrong. Then he was just the guy because he

643
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: did such a good job. So from my standpoint, if

644
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: you're going out there, if you're willing to spend the money,

645
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: if you're bringing in guys that were highly sought out

646
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: by other programs that I think we hold up to

647
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: a pre high standard defensively, and now you're bringing in

648
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: somebody with this track record who can organize the troops

649
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: in very very short order and run something that's going

650
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: to confuse opposing offenses. Sign me up, Sign me up.

651
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: I think it's a good move. I like the fact

652
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: that he's got a ton of experience, and I think

653
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Arkansas needs to get to a point where they are

654
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: not constantly in a volatile situation, not just on defense,

655
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: but just across the board. They need some stability at

656
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: this program so that they can start recruiting the way

657
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: that they want, so that they can start actually building

658
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: something and not just jumping from portal cycle to portal

659
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: cycle the way it feels they've been over the last

660
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: couple of years. There's a lot of areas out here.

661
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I like this move. Arkansas has got a ways to go.

662
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: But if Ron Roberts can come in and do half

663
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: of what he has done at some other stops in

664
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: the granted they haven't all been sparkling, but just half

665
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: of what we have seen him do in the past,

666
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: the improvement should be relatively obvious. And I'm excited about

667
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: that part of it.

668
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of Kevin Steele to this, right,

669
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: somebody who's coaching a bunch of places in the area,

670
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: somebody who you can count on to get at least,

671
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, a low floor result. The Arkansas roster is

672
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: going to look different than some of the rosters that

673
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: Ron Roberts or Kevin Steele has had, and that's you know,

674
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: the Jimmy's and Joe's thing is going to be a

675
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: little bit different in Fayetteville in year one. But yeah,

676
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: I just I don't expect as you know, whatever the

677
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: words are, disconnected, disjointed, I don't expect that. I would

678
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: imagine if there's any single problem for Arkansas, it's just

679
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: that when you have a schedule that has LSU and

680
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: whatever Auburn is and Georgia and Texas gauntlets right, and

681
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: they're at Utah whatever Utah is this season, that's part

682
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: of the non conference slate that you might not have

683
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: the too deep to really compete week in and week out.

684
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: But I would imagine, you know, being disjointed or disconnected

685
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: is not going to be an issue.

686
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Give me this sound damn please. You mentioned you. Let's

687
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: talk about Jason Beck, the new offensive coordinator who comes

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: from Utah. Yeah, it's taken over at Michigan. What was

689
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: your first thought when Kyle Whittingham got the job at

690
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Michigan just with respect to Bryce Underwood.

691
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: An interesting fit, but we'll be put in a position

692
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: where he's not going to be counted on to play

693
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: hero ball for Michigan to win games, which I think

694
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: is ultimately a good thing that he could, in the

695
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 2: best possible scenario, can develop in an upward direction. Even

696
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: though Kyle Whittingham quarterbacks haven't necessarily been synonymous with the

697
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: first couple of days of the NFL draft.

698
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Right, and that's the cause for pause. The favorite pet charity,

699
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: of course, is Kyle Whittingham, the guy who's going to

700
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: develop this quarterback, highly regarded, much sought after, originally committed elsewhere,

701
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: decides to stay close to home and go to Michigan.

702
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: Right.

703
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: This is not a coach has that recent track record,

704
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: but Jason Beck is interesting that. The case study on

705
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: Jason Beck is quite interesting. He does prefer the power

706
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 1: run attack pretty balanced. I would say over the course

707
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: of his career he definitely had the rushing attack going

708
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: at Utah. But now I think what's going to be

709
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: interesting to see is this interplay between the coordinator Beck

710
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: and Bryce Underwood, again, the highly regarded blue chip quarterback. Yes,

711
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I think bigger picture Michigan is going to be fine.

712
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Bigger picture Michigan will be fine because Kyle Whittingham is

713
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: just in terms of football prowess and coaching, Kyle Whittingham

714
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: is light years better than Sharon Moore, and I don't

715
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: think there's much debate over that. The pressure is going

716
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: to be on Beck to see what kind of system

717
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: he can put around Bryce Underwood and moreover, keep him

718
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: in ann Arbor beyond this year. You don't want a

719
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: transfer portal situation. What I like about this hire Jason

720
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Beck actually has a very good track record for developing

721
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks into guys who can develop guys who can produce

722
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: that a really high clip. He coached Brendan Armstrong back

723
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: in the day when he was at Virginia remember those days,

724
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: of course, Brandon Armstrong. He developed Devin dan Pierre into

725
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: what he was at New Mexico before bringing him with

726
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: up to Utah. He even had something of a role

727
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: in mentoring guys like Taysom Hill, Tanner, mangum At Buyu.

728
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: So those are a bunch of different quarterbacks. It's not

729
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: like this is a one trick pony who's gonna solely

730
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: want to build it around power rushing attack and turn

731
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback into a game manager or anything like that.

732
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: That is not what Jason Beck's track record shows us.

733
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: It shows us, if anything, that he's pretty versatile and

734
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: he's worked with a bunch of different types of quarterback.

735
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Now there is a coach in front of him running

736
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: the show and Kyle Whittingham, who you know he will

737
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: ultimately have the final say over with this offense, but

738
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I think Beck's got a good enough track record that

739
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: they're not going to put like a run heavy shell

740
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: over Bryce Underwood. I expect that it's going to be

741
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: a system built around Underwood and that he's likely going

742
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: to want to try and unlock some of that arm talent.

743
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: Dude's got a howitzer to try and push things down

744
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: the field. They're going to have more talent on offense.

745
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: It should mean good things for Jordan Marshall, who's still

746
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: there in the running in the running back room, but

747
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: there should be an element of explosivity to this offense.

748
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: Knowing that Jason Beck is running this thing and that

749
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: he's been able to work with a bunch of different

750
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: skill sets over his career, so he was highly regarded

751
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: pretty much every stop along the way. The fact that

752
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: Michigan now gets him as part of what I'm considering

753
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: an upgrade with Kyle Whittingham, to me, is a good

754
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: sign for Bryce Underwood. But I do need to see it.

755
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: And again I caution anybody about getting too excited about this,

756
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: because in the world that we live in now, it

757
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: doesn't take much to lose that quarterback a year from now,

758
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: and if we know anything about where the portal's at,

759
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: people would want Bryce Underwood, they'd pay him whatever. So

760
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: he needs to do enough and prove enough here in

761
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: year one that the system they're putting around him is

762
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: not only going to win games, but develop him into

763
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: an NFL talent.

764
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, and in defense of whatever Utah was

765
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: or wasn't on offense, right, you run what your roster

766
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: dictates you can run, and part of that is on you.

767
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: Part of that is not always on you. And they

768
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: were not able to attract and develop huge, big time

769
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: receivers at Utah and that's on them partially. The receiver

770
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: position and broader pass catching and offensive skills situation at

771
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: Michigan is pretty good right now.

772
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: I would agree.

773
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: It's Tyler Buchanan obviously, Andrew marsh coming back and I

774
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: don't think I had to catch it, and Ohio State.

775
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: But in terms of our tight end is running back,

776
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: bringing back the offensive line that they brought back, we

777
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: know what Bryce Underwood's ceiling could look like. Potentially the

778
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: past catching situation in in our where I think it's

779
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: Jamie French coming in from Texas. He was a five

780
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: star Ish French with two f's double F didn't really

781
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: catch on at all at Texas with that recruiting profile.

782
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: But they're sort of investing in this. And also they're

783
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: paying Jason Beck nearly three million dollars, So they're not

784
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: going to pay Jason Beck three million dollars and say

785
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: here is the offensive vibes we want. You're paying him

786
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: because you want his vibes. And so I would be

787
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: pretty thrilled with the upside of this Michigan offense if

788
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: I were a Michigan fan, considering the personnel and what's

789
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: coming back and what we now know about what was

790
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes with the Michigan coaching staff last season,

791
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: that if we have a sort of unencumbered fresh slate

792
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: for this Michigan offense, that's pretty nice.

793
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, just you read a lot about accountability

794
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: when you go through all of these coordinators and their

795
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: comments on the record after being hired, after giving their

796
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: assessment of what they saw on tape. But I really

797
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: think this is a situation, knowing what we know now

798
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: with bringing Whittingham in back coming along obviously bringing over

799
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: a pretty well established defensive coordinator from BYU as well,

800
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: to join the staff. It definitely seems as though Michigan

801
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: is getting that accountability side of it, and if it

802
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: wasn't there, yeah, over the last year and a half

803
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: at Michigan, it would be interesting to see what it

804
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: looks like now if they've got some stronger guardrails in place,

805
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 1: just from a personnel standpoint to hopefully shepherd this thing through.

806
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: Counterpoint, ty, how difficult will it be for this Michigan

807
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: team to score twenty seven points or so against the

808
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: following defenses on their schedule.

809
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: On this Speaking of Gauntlett, it's a really schedule.

810
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: This is really bad Oklahoma and ann Arbor, Iowa in

811
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: ann Arbor, Penn State in ann Arbor, Indiana in ann Arbor.

812
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: So that's nice, great, it's a great home slate the

813
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: first half of the you know, two thirds of the schedule,

814
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: but they do finish at Oregon Ucla and then I

815
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: mean it's Ucla and Arbor and then at Ohio State.

816
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: So they've got a bunch of what could be strong

817
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: to very strong defenses too. Again, you're gonna have to

818
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: probably score twenty five, twenty eight, thirty one against a

819
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: lot of those teams if you want to shot, and

820
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: so they have their work cutout for them because on

821
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: paper they look like they should take a leap forward.

822
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: But that's a that's a big ask that that just

823
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: that sheer number of probably good defenses is it's tough.

824
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Hit the sound. Let's stay in the Big ten. Let's

825
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: talk about a coordinator who came out of a five

826
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: day retirement from Montana to take this job that opened

827
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: up pretty late in the game because their former defensive

828
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: coordinator is now coaching at Notre Dame. I am talking

829
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: about Bobby Hawk at Illinois. Dan Rubinstein. Yeah, runs a

830
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: three three five. It's never been used at Illinois. Per

831
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Brett Bielima, he's hoping that it creates some confusion among

832
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: their opponents in the Big Ten. But Bobby Hawk gonna

833
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: be the new DC at Illinois. What do you have

834
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: to say?

835
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot positive about this higher

836
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: I like guys coming in and sort of shaking things up,

837
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: especially when there's a lot up in the air in

838
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: terms of personnel with portal guys coming in. I mean,

839
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: we pointed to twenty twenty five as an Illinois season

840
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 2: given what they were returning. That's where the hype came

841
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: from that. They were returning what they were on both

842
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. Headline on defense by gaye Achis,

843
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: who's now off to the NFL linebacker, and so now

844
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: they're sort of star from scratch. There's new guys on

845
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: all three levels. The guys they're bringing in from the

846
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: portal are like kind not risky, but there's not a

847
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: lot of tape. There's not a lot of like, oh,

848
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: this guy was all conference here, or this guy had

849
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and eleven tackles there, you know, like they're

850
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: just you're gambling on upside that wasn't flashed a ton

851
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: with some of their portal guys. On defense, I look,

852
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: Bobby Hawk's defenses at Montana were by and large excellent.

853
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: You know two years ago in twenty twenty three they

854
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: lost in the championship game. Was a great defense. I

855
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: think it was the sp plus number two defense in

856
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: America and on the FCS level. Coached under Rocky Long,

857
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: he was a special teams coordinator a few you know,

858
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: probably a decade ago or so after UNLV didn't work

859
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: out for Bobby Hawk, and so I like the idea

860
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: of going more confusing if you don't have the obvious

861
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: star power and the three three five can be that.

862
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: The other thing I like about where Illinois is on

863
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 2: defense because they were pretty much mess there last season,

864
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: especially in their bigger games, and they were just a

865
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: mess because they couldn't get off the field. They couldn't

866
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Their downs were horrible. Yeah, the pass rush wasn't there.

867
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: They had good players, but they couldn't get off the field.

868
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: They were beat up a bunch. The thing that I

869
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: like is, if we're going to talk about like the

870
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: gauntlet that is Arkansas schedule where Michigan's schedule gone, Illinois

871
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: does have Oregon and Ohio State in terms of obviously

872
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: good offenses, but short of that, it's pretty good when

873
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: you look at Illinois's schedule. Now, we obviously don't know

874
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: if this schedule is tough or not in you know,

875
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: early March, but in terms of like known quantities on

876
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: a roster, the Oregon offense will be tough for Illinois,

877
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: although I believe that games in Champagne at least and

878
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: the Ohio State offense should be really good once again.

879
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: But if you're able to teach offense, the shift to

880
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: a three threat defense, excuse me, shift to a three three, five.

881
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: If some of these portal guys work out, I'm not

882
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: crazy about this once again in terms of a too deep,

883
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: but it's interesting to me because we have seen Illinois teams,

884
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, namely like two three years ago with Ryan

885
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Walters or whoever, that they're able to get results even

886
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: if they're not, even if they don't look great against

887
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: the best teams on the schedule. Illinois fans are never

888
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: going to be upset about an eight and four, nine

889
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: and three.

890
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: No, no, no. And you bring up Brian Walters, I'm

891
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: glad you did, because there is a common thread. And

892
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: the common thread is if you recall those defenses, really,

893
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: if you recall what Beelahmash tried to do on defense

894
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: since he got there, he has really emphasized the negative plays.

895
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: He has really emphasized trying to create a high havoc defense,

896
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely what Bobby Holse brings here. His

897
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: defenses are almost entirely built around forcing negative plays in turns.

898
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: Aggressive account aggressive attacking mentality. I think it's literally said

899
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: in the press conference. The other thing that I really like,

900
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: and we talk about not nearly enough here because well

901
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, but he's off the Rocky Long coach. Yeah,

902
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned it? Yeah, did you mention that?

903
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: Sorry I missed that. Was it like twenty fifteen or something?

904
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: He was a special teams coordinator Yeah, ye for San

905
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: Diego State.

906
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: So he's done a really good job at Mountana kind

907
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: of perfecting the three through five defense. And I think,

908
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: if nothing more, if it's a defense that confuses opponents

909
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: and is built so much around creating negative plays and

910
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: some of those turnovers, that that's a good place to be.

911
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: He's obviously guy with a lot of experience. Again, was

912
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: on a bit of a retirement, but coming back for more.

913
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: Here another bite at the Apple with Brett Bielma and Illinois.

914
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw it last year right in a Rocky

915
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: Long tree with Danny Gonzalez at Arizona coming in and

916
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: getting immediate results with that kind of shift. If it

917
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: works out and you have the personnel, namely like a

918
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: nose tackle, you can count on, hybrid players, you can

919
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: count on. But I think it's gonna be must watch TV.

920
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Give me the sound. Ohio State hired Arthur Smith.

921
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 2: They did.

922
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith from the NFL as their offensive coordinator seventeen

923
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: year NFL vet was the coach for the Falcons that

924
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: didn't go well, was recently the Steelers offensive coordinator. He

925
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: is the only modern NFL play caller with a one

926
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: thousand yard rusher in seven straight seasons across three different franchises.

927
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: Dan Early indications are that he's going to play a

928
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: little bit more bully ball than we've been accustomed to

929
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,959
Speaker 1: seeing at Ohio State. Yeah, what is your react to this? Higher?

930
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Because let me be honest, I heard Arthur Smith and

931
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: I felt similar to the way I felt last year

932
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: when we found out that Matt Patricia was going to

933
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: be coaching the defense. Matt Patricia just got an extension.

934
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia did a famously good job with the defense

935
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: in year one for Ohio State. So maybe I shouldn't

936
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: have that same reaction, but I, for whatever reason did.

937
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Arthur Smith?

938
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: It seems that Ryan Day wants to lean into what

939
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: he started doing more of last season with heavier personnel groups,

940
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: and they were sort of inconsistent running the ball the

941
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: first half of the season, it seemed, and with Bo

942
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: Jackson developed into a more consistent type offensive team, it

943
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: just if they're going to lean into what they were

944
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: doing last year. And if look, you can score a

945
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: ton of points in heavier personnel, especially if you have

946
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: versatle tight ends and you get mismatches, and you know

947
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,959
Speaker 2: you have a one man wrecking crew in Jeremiah Smith,

948
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: the single best offensive skill player in the country as

949
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: a starting point, right that that's gonna occupy a certain

950
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: amount of defensive gravity on every single snap. And so

951
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: if you're able to get more creative perhaps than they

952
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: were last year with Brian Hartline running the offense in

953
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: the running game, then they're going to be nearly impossible

954
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: to be. They were not the type of like speed,

955
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: wide open passing, jugular offense last year at all times

956
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: like they had been in previous seasons. And they still

957
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: last year had Jeremiah Smith and Carnel Tait and Brandon

958
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: Innis Max Claire like they had guys to run whatever

959
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: system they saw fit. Offensive line was inconsistent last year

960
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: at times. It looks like it should be a deep,

961
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: experienced unit this year, and they got you know, a

962
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: lot of versatile guys who can play at different places.

963
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: So really I think they're just leaning into at best,

964
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: creative bully ball with multiple tight ends because that's the

965
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: sort of Arthur Smith calling card. And when he was

966
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: only running offenses, I think it was with the Titans,

967
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is, ten twelve years ago, it

968
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: was Derrick Henry right. That was the Arthur Smith Titans experience.

969
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: They were basically impossible to stop. So they have young

970
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: running backs. I don't think bo Jackson's playing in the spring.

971
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's a shoulder surgery situation.

972
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: But if Julian Sayin's able to take those next steps,

973
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 2: you know, made a couple of mistakes in those big games,

974
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: especially early on in those games. If he's trusted more

975
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: to lead a an at times more wide open offense,

976
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: but you know, is still going to be in a

977
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 2: situation where he's picking and choosing when he takes shots,

978
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: they'll be in a good spot. If they're running the

979
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: ball right that there's just going to be play action opportunities.

980
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: They brought in more tight ends from I want to

981
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: say Ohio and Northwestern in this cycle. I think the

982
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: defense is going to once again be excellent. It's a

983
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: little bit thinner. They took some hits on that defense.

984
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: There's less win room on that defense just because the

985
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: depth isn't necessarily where it was. But that's happened to everybody.

986
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: That's happened to Georgia, that's happened to Oregon, that's happened

987
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: to Bam or whatever, take your pick, so it's not

988
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: unique to Ohio State. I think I like the higher right,

989
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: like he He is definitely a good football coach. It's

990
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: now going to be a matter of are he and

991
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Day on the same page. Are they going to

992
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 2: abandon things that aren't working too late or at the

993
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: right time, or is his fresh look at an offense,

994
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: given his high level experience, going to make Ohio State

995
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: into an even bigger dominant machine. So I think I

996
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: like this a good deal.

997
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm curious about it though, because in

998
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: terms of an offensive philosophy, it is a bit of

999
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: a one eighty from where they've been. But last year

1000
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: they leaned into this a last year they leaned into

1001
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: it more and they were good at it when they

1002
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: leaned in well, yes and no, mostly good at it.

1003
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

1004
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: You know, this isn't going to be a system that

1005
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: I think is dictated by how good the receivers are.

1006
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be Arthur Smith playing

1007
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: a little bit more bullyball than we're used to. I mean,

1008
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: he is very much about multi tight end sets, He's

1009
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: very much about under center and play action. He's very

1010
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: much about physical downhill runners, as evidenced by the number

1011
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: that I read out a moment ago. So if you're

1012
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: looking to build more of a bruising, physical, let's say,

1013
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: weather proof offense, then this is a guy who I

1014
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: think can help you get there. And clearly they've got

1015
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: enough talent to do kind of whatever they want. But

1016
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how Jeremiah Smith is utilized. I

1017
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: don't suspect they're going to take him out of the

1018
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: equation altogether. That will be foolish. That's not why they

1019
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: hired our Arthur Smith. But if we see a little

1020
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: bit more balance, heavier sets, that will look different to

1021
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: the eye for people who have followed Ohio State through

1022
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, the heartline years.

1023
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: Let's say, yeah, they did do this last year. Though

1024
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: there was a lot of heavier sets last year. There

1025
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: was there absolutely was playing a lot slower. Yeah, there

1026
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: absolutely was. And you know there's a question of whether

1027
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: or not they were playing slower because the season is longer,

1028
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: They're trying to preserve, trying to ease how many miles

1029
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 2: are going on the tires. But totally, this to me

1030
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: is I think a very clear indication of this is

1031
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 2: who we are now. We want to be this physical

1032
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: team moving forward, and you hire Arthur Smith because you

1033
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: want to be that team with the wide zone rushes

1034
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: and whatnot.

1035
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see. I mean, it's good news.

1036
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: I think of your Bo Jackson, provided he's healthy, it's

1037
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: really good news if you're in that running back room

1038
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: for Ohio State, because you know that's going to be

1039
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: a point of emphasis. And I think there are many

1040
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State fans in this show that have written into

1041
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: us that would welcome that. And by the way, on

1042
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: the rushing side of things, maybe.

1043
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: Maybe difficult defensive schedule for Arthur Smith to prove this against.

1044
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: And obviously they basically had no trouble last year through

1045
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: the regular season. Obviously the Texas game was very close

1046
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: early Texas a you know, a top fifteen, a clear

1047
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: top fifteen team last season at Texas. This year at Iowa,

1048
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: at Indiana, at USC for whatever USC's defense is worth.

1049
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: They host Oregon and Michigan, so there's a lot of

1050
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: defense to contend with, especially upfront. Perhaps right, we can't

1051
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: with certainty say anything because there's so many changes to

1052
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: a lot of these teams. But there are many teams

1053
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: with less seeming on their schedule defensively than what Ohio

1054
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: State has. But I imagine to a t all of

1055
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: those teams are quite worried about what Ohio State could

1056
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: potentially offer.

1057
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: Got two left, Give me the sound one more time, please,

1058
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: I will. Let's talking about Chad Morris. Baby, must we

1059
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: Chadmores we back like he never left Clemson in the

1060
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, Chad Morris was the architect, partially the

1061
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: architect of those Clemson offenses, the ones that were really

1062
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: good back in twenty eleven through twenty fourteen. I guess

1063
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: they weren't great in twenty fourteen. But he replaces Garrett Riley.

1064
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: They're bringing him back to hopefully modernize an offense that's

1065
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: kind of gotten a little stagnant.

1066
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: You're all about your nostalgia picks, by the way, with

1067
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: these coordinators, listen, Jason Beck staying with I'm in my

1068
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: fields man, you know, uh, Coach Boom back to Texas

1069
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: and now Ron Roberts's coaches coach, you know, the guy

1070
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: you put up in the portrait and Apple Banks. Yeah.

1071
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: Of course, offense was kind of predictable at Clemson, wasn't it.

1072
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: I would say so.

1073
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Clemson went seven and six last year. They lost

1074
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: the Pinstripe Bull to Penn State, who I will talk

1075
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: about next. Per the sp plus, this was the most

1076
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: average Clemson offense since twenty twenty one and before that

1077
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, especially bad on third downs in the red zone.

1078
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: The line was very average. The ground game never got

1079
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: off the ground. The passing game was a lot of

1080
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: short stuff. Not as much short stuff as we have seen,

1081
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: but still a lot of short stuff. Dabo is still

1082
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: rolling with this plan of building from within. They did

1083
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: take ten transfers, mostly along the defensive line and in

1084
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: the secondary, but you know, he's at least shown a

1085
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: willingness to bring some of those guys in. I think

1086
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: the good news for Clemson is this, before I even

1087
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: get to Chad Morris, very workable schedule just is a

1088
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: very workable schedule if you're the Clemson Tigers, if you're

1089
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: a Clemson fan, I will add they may have the

1090
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: biggest look ahead spot in the entire ACC. Maybe the

1091
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: entire country. Okay, last week of September on the road

1092
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: in the hinterlands against Cal before coming back home the

1093
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: next week to square off against the Miami Hurricanes.

1094
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: It's a lot, yeah, a lot cash Cal and jks. Yeah.

1095
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: Clemson is still in a very advantageous spot because of

1096
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: the talent that they have on hand, and they're in

1097
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: a conference that's really really wide open. But the pressure

1098
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: is on now because it does feel like a program

1099
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: that's been leaking a little bit oil. See, I think

1100
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: the pressure is fully off. You do why.

1101
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: Cad Klubnick is gone right? The the NFL guys are gone.

1102
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: They've made a bunch of changes. Now. Look, if you're

1103
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 2: gonna hire Chad Morris, you're signaling that you thought he

1104
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: was one of the keys to big explosive offenses early.

1105
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, new quarterback, a bunch of transfers.

1106
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: I just think expectations have been reset at.

1107
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: I would welcome feedback from the Clemson community on that one.

1108
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: Do you think Clemson is expecting to make a deep

1109
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: playoff run, which I think Clemson expectations were a few

1110
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: years ago.

1111
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: I think Clemson fans are expecting to get back to

1112
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: what they've grown accustomed to with Clemson, which is not

1113
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: seven and five in the regular season.

1114
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: They were your number one team how many months ago?

1115
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: Eight seven, that's probably like twelve at this point, but

1116
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: August that's seven, eight months ago. That's that was So

1117
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: your expectation last year.

1118
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I was on Clemson this time last year.

1119
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you expected them in the National Championship Game. So

1120
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: maybe your expectations haven't changed, but I think maybe Clemson

1121
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: community expectations may have changed.

1122
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: So here's what we know about Chad Morris coming back

1123
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: to Clemson. Chad Morris has been other places since his

1124
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: most recent stay in Clemson, South Carolina, but his first

1125
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: tour of duty was very notable for just running at

1126
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: a crazy fast tempo. He has since said that he's

1127
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: learned a lot. He still wants to play with tempo,

1128
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a little bit more deliberate.

1129
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: It's not going to be just going fast for the

1130
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: sake of going fast the way maybe it was before.

1131
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: Now it is going to be a little bit more

1132
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: deliberate about when they use the tempo, hopefully in a

1133
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: strategic way. So that's the first thing I think that

1134
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: may be a little bit different. The second thing is

1135
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: the running game. The running game uses a lot of

1136
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: twelve personnel right with the two tight ends of the

1137
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: one running back MH. He uses pre snap motion, he

1138
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: calls it eye candy, to create some sort of a

1139
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: physical rushing it. Everybody's got a physical rushing attack, right.

1140
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to play down and be brilla and physical

1141
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: and all that.

1142
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: But he uses a lot of.

1143
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: This window dressing stuff to try and confuse defenses, get

1144
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: guys out of position, and hopefully use that to his advantage.

1145
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I found most interesting

1146
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: about Chad Morris in reading some of his comments, he

1147
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: sort of made it an edict that they're going to

1148
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: take at least three deep shots per quarter.

1149
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen that before. Yeah.

1150
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like putting the number on it. I don't.

1151
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, even though it's really early in the cycle,

1152
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: why are you telling people that? Don't tell him that?

1153
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't that give the game away a little bit? But

1154
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: he wants to take more deep shots, He wants to

1155
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: consistently stretch the field. He wants to make the offense

1156
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: more explosive. I don't hate that. Schematically, I feel like

1157
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for that. I can't tell you how

1158
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: many times we have talked about on this show Clemson's

1159
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: lack of the fifty to fifty receiver who can go

1160
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: up there and win contested catches. It directly correlates to

1161
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: their downfall as an offense. Sure, they just haven't really

1162
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: had that now. I think they've got those guys now,

1163
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 1: but I think they need to, like water and feed

1164
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: that philosophy a little bit more to get back to

1165
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: where they once were. So I like what I'm hearing.

1166
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: Chad Morris is obviously a guy who was successful way

1167
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: back when with Clemson, albeit you know, fifteen years ago now.

1168
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: But in theory, in theory, the philosophy here I think

1169
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: matches pretty well with where Clemson probably needs to go next.

1170
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: So I'm encouraged by this. The schedules in place, we know,

1171
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: the talents in place. Quarterback tbd, Chris Visina, TBD on

1172
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: Chris Fasina. But otherwise, I think, just from a really

1173
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: high level in terms of what they are saying publicly,

1174
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: I think Clemson fans would probably agree with me that

1175
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: this feels like the direction they need to go.

1176
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: I just I know you're attracted to these nostalgia hires.

1177
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: It's just I just think they're moving backwards. And it

1178
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: doesn't mean Chad Morris doesn't know what he's doing. It

1179
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: doesn't mean Chandler Morris. Chad Morris.

1180
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a head coach, I know, to

1181
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: be a head coach. He's just gonna be a coordinator. Again,

1182
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: did it?

1183
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: It seems to do a nice job at Texas State

1184
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: last year running their passing game, right receivers and passing

1185
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: game coordinator. They very successful downfield. I have every reason

1186
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: to believe it could work. I'm just never really a

1187
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: fan of looking backwards in this way. But I don't know.

1188
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: Give me the sound one more time, Dan, I will

1189
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: final coordinator. Whole new thing going on? Okay at the

1190
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State University, Dan Oh, some Taylor Mauser talk. Give

1191
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 1: me some Taylor Mauser talk.

1192
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: So we don't know what he needs to improve upon

1193
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: with Penn State players. But Penn State players are actually

1194
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 2: Iowa State players, is if my understanding is correct.

1195
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: There's yes, there are a lot of Iowa State, Okay

1196
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: holdovers here as part of this project. Now, so Taylor

1197
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: Mouse was going to be the new offensive coordinator at

1198
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: Penn State. He is a longtime Matt Campbell assistant, dating

1199
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: back to their Toledo days in the year of Our

1200
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: Lord twenty fifteen. This will just be his third year

1201
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator, but I think the results have

1202
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: been there. Did have that eleven win season back in

1203
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four that was his first year as full

1204
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: time offensive coordinator. So I watched a recent episode of

1205
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: The Audible with our friends Stu and Bruce and Ralph.

1206
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: I think this one was just Stu and Ralph, but

1207
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: Stu was lamenting the fact that, I guess on a

1208
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: recent article he did where he graded coaching hires. There

1209
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: seem to be a lot of negativity around Matt Campbell

1210
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: in the comment threads, and I find that curious because

1211
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: everything I have heard talking to people who root for

1212
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: Penn State, who cover Penn State, the vibes that I

1213
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: have detected have all been pretty positive. Are you telling

1214
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: me putting an enormous amount of stock into anonymous commenters? Listen,

1215
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm just misguided. I'm not saying Stu's wrong. I'm just

1216
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: right the ground.

1217
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: Hi, you're in the Lehigh Valley.

1218
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: I have not detected any of those vibes here in

1219
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: non content.

1220
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: I haven't seen on a national level of everybody seems

1221
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: to be pretty high on Matt Campbell and Penn State.

1222
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: I think so, and I think it's a good higher Yeah,

1223
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: for anybody out there who still doubts the move, the

1224
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 1: quickest way to shut down the naysayers is to build

1225
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: an offense that is more cohesive and explosive, because the

1226
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: context here is that Andy kotal Nikki, try as he

1227
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: might to do that. He was an offensive line guy.

1228
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: That was that was his pedigree, followed Lancel I pulled around,

1229
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: built great rushing offenses, did it at Kansas. He was,

1230
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: he still is super creative. But the crux of that

1231
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: system was building a ground game. And I think in hindsight,

1232
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: we can say, looking back that maybe Drew Aller wasn't

1233
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: the best fit for that offense. You know, Like I've

1234
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: made the comment the first time we saw Bo Purbula,

1235
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: and I know I took a lot of flak for it,

1236
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: but I still don't think I was totally wrong in

1237
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: saying that maybe Bo Pribul would have been a better

1238
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: fit for that. Yeah, as he goes completely silent over there, Yeah,

1239
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm you were a title for the Europan But so

1240
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: here's the irony is and where I'm going with this

1241
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 1: is now, with the Taylor Mauser era in State College,

1242
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Drew Aller actually might be a better

1243
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: fit for this system. Okay, Like this is a system

1244
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: now that's going to be a lot less oop to

1245
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: oop that drove some Penn State fans crazy. We're not

1246
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: going to see all the pre pre snap stuff. We're

1247
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: going to see very few of the screen passes. I

1248
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: think it's something like six percent of the drop backs

1249
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: at Iowa State or screen passes. I can see the

1250
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: jet sweeps you, I can see the random wildcat formations.

1251
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: It's not to say this offense is not complex. It's

1252
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: just not going to be as chaotic, right, and so

1253
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: from the Penn State side of things, what I'm about

1254
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: to say should be music to your ears. This is

1255
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: an offense that uses the tight end as the engine

1256
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: for the whole thing. That's why they bring it. They

1257
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: bring it in Ben Bramer from Iowa State a very

1258
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: important get via the transfer portal. Taylor Mauser has also

1259
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: been a tight End coach since twenty twenty one. If

1260
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: you've watched the clones at all. You know that they

1261
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: like the tight end that's central to the whole project.

1262
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: Sure second still wants to build the physical ground game.

1263
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: He does like to turn a ty well apparently, so

1264
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: we're talking through it guy by guy here. Everybody seems

1265
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: to want to build a ground game. But his offense

1266
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: is very much predicated around the physical ground game, which

1267
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: is why they're bringing over Carson Hanson, another guy from

1268
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: Iowa State, as well as vertical shots deep. He wants

1269
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 1: to play off that running game with play action with

1270
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: vertical shots. He's not doing a Chad Morris and saying

1271
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: how often he wants to do it, mind you, but

1272
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: this is what Penn State fans have been clamoring for.

1273
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: This is why I say this should be music to

1274
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: the years, because these philosophies just weren't there. It was

1275
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of oop oop in the Running Game. It

1276
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: was a lot of what Drew Aller going to do next.

1277
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: It was a lot of can they take the top

1278
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: off the defense that they have the receivers that take

1279
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: the top off the defense. That part of it, by

1280
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: the way, I think is still TBD, but at least

1281
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: they're going to try a little bit more and at

1282
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: least I think you know what you're getting with this

1283
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Oh, by the way, they're bringing over the board,

1284
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: thank you very much, the best of all rocos. He

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Speaker 1: knows the system, He's played well in the system. So

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Speaker 1: I bring all this up because if you are a

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Speaker 1: Penn State listening to this, your response is probably, hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't we hire Taylor Mauser instead of Andy kotal Nikki.

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Speaker 1: In hindsight, now, so I like where they're going with this.

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Speaker 1: I like that there is familiarity between the coaches. I

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Speaker 1: like that he's basically bringing over the whole team from

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Speaker 1: Iowa State. They should be able to hit the ground running.

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Speaker 1: And they've got a really advantageous schedule this year.

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Speaker 2: That's true. The schedule is great.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to look different, it's going to feel different.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it feels like they hit the ground running and

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Speaker 1: it's not discombobulated the way it was for long stretches

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Speaker 1: over the last two years. I am encouraged by this hire,

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Speaker 1: not only the Matt Campbell higher, but the Taylor Mauser Higher.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they are retaining him as part of

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Speaker 1: the staff that comes over from Iowa State. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a really really big get for Penn State. So

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Speaker 1: from where I stand, the vibes a strong stu. I

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Speaker 1: can't speak for the comment threat, but everyone I've talked to,

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Speaker 1: all the reading I've done the Penn State community seems

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Speaker 1: pretty jazzed up about this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to your point to all the haters out there,

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Speaker 2: Iowa State scored nearly twenty points against Arizona State and

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Speaker 2: Jeff Simms and a loss, so I think as close

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Speaker 2: to twenty points as you can get, right, They scored

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Speaker 2: nineteen points against ASU and a loss to Jeff Simms.

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Speaker 1: Look, last year, the conversation about Iowa State playing consistent football, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and not dropping games in a dumb fashion or not

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Speaker 1: playing under expectations. That will be a subject for another day.

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Speaker 1: I share those concerns, okay, but I am saying bigger

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Speaker 1: picture from a philosophical standpoint during my little thinking man

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Speaker 1: pose over here with huh you know, the fist on

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Speaker 1: the chin. From that standpoint, I like this, okay, as

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Speaker 1: I have all of these hires that we've talked about.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, Yeah, last year's Iowa State offense was not that good.

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Speaker 2: Like they were fine. They were like a top fifty ish,

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 2: but not not an offense that was just working its

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01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: way through the Big twelve with an experienced quarterback. Not

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Speaker 2: explosive although they were very explosive the year before, and

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Speaker 2: not good in the red zone, which hopefully are like

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Speaker 2: the two big calling cards of an offensive coordinator right,

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Speaker 2: able to find explosive plays, able to score touchdowns in

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Speaker 2: the red zone. And so that would be the concern

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Speaker 2: against I guess a normal schedule, but Penn State's schedule

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Speaker 2: this year isn't at first glance, not the most challenging

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Speaker 2: in the world.

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Speaker 1: And I mean the red zone stuff is I've got

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Speaker 1: my hand on my face here, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you would think if you've got an all

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Speaker 1: conference cal or tight end that that would be that

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01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: that should fix it, fix a lot of it, but

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Speaker 1: it Yeah, or even a guy like a Carson Hanson

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Speaker 1: who's a touchdown machine the year prior, Yeah, you would

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Speaker 1: think that would make the red zone woes go away

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Speaker 1: in a large part.

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Speaker 2: But it didn't.

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Speaker 1: So that will be I think a very fair question

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01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: as we go. Also, extremely average on third down last year,

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Speaker 1: very average.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's not bulletproof, no, But I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: given where Penn State's been, given how discombobulated and out

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Speaker 1: of sorts the offense felt, I'd say, at a minimum,

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Speaker 1: from the Penn State perspective, you will not have to

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01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: throw things at the TV, scream into a pillow because

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: well maybe I don't know, but hopefully you will not

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Speaker 1: have to do any of that because we're not going

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: to have the random, you know, wildcat formation, not going

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: to be lining up Nick Singleton at quarterback and a

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Speaker 1: high leverage second down and long situation some of those

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Speaker 1: tricks that they tried to pull out at random spots

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Speaker 1: throughout the course of last year. That sure, that type

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Speaker 1: of logic should hopefully be going back to Kansas with

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Speaker 1: Andy kodle Nikki, who I still like, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but just may not have been quite the fit we

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Speaker 1: expected when he came up to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, if nothing else, given the number of players

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Speaker 2: coming over from Iowa State, given the coaching staff from

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Speaker 2: from Iowa State, they're gonna hold their own in the

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Speaker 2: Big twelve next year.

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Speaker 1: Right, They're going to be a hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll see. They're just a giant mystery.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 2: I don't have an opinion truly other than the snark

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 2: I throw like throwing at you. I don't have a

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Speaker 2: strong opinion about Taylor Mouser and the Penn State offense

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Speaker 2: beyond you know, they're they're doing the thing where they

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Speaker 2: bring over the coach and the staff and a bunch

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Speaker 2: of players and it's on a big level, on a

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01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: big stage with Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I just think in terms of philosophy, what Mauser brings

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Speaker 1: it is what they kind of needed over the last

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Speaker 1: two years. Yeah, that philosophy would have worked really well

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Speaker 1: with what they had the last two years. Now, they

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: obviously went to the College Ball Playoffs semi final. They

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 1: lost close to Notre Dame. So those are that was

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Speaker 1: a good team, but it was even a team then

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Speaker 1: that we had questions about the offense and and you know,

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Speaker 1: are they explosive? Are they not explosive?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How do they get more out of this thing? With

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Speaker 1: Drew Aller who's apparently ripping up the scouting combine right now?

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Speaker 1: Born to born to rip up the scouting conbine. So

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Speaker 1: in theory, in theory, I like the direction things.

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Speaker 2: Are going right there with Colorado TI they were right there,

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Speaker 2: ioways say, gave Colorado all they could handle last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was Iowa State. This is Penn State's

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: roster at Iowa State. Yeah, this is a totally different roster.

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