1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Normally the show with normalis takes. But when the news 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: gets weird, I am Mary Catherine Camp. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: And I am Carol Marko. It's Mary Catherine. We get 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: a lot of messages saying that we should banter more. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Do we not banter enough? 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: Well, you know, we get right to it. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: You know, we're efficient, is what we are. 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: We should banter. I like the band, Let's banter. Oh 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: my goodness, Well we have a lot a lot of Yeah. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: There's a lot of news. Who can banter at a 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: time like this? 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying. We're going to keep this 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: a little vague because we don't know what will happen 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: post recording. But in Iran there is of course a 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: continued uprising. We're on week two of thousands of people 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: in the streets. Unfortunately, that also means because it is 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: a repressive, awful regime, possibly thousands murdered for being in 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: the streets to stand up to the regime. I think 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: we have numbers of thousands coming from the regime itself, 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: which means there are more than that. In addition, of course, 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: it's hard to get information out of there. But the 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: Crown Prince was on special Report last night ran into 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: him in the green room, like you do. Interesting, yes, 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 3: and he is a person who in the past has 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: not been in favor of military intervention necessarily, but when 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: asked about it by Brett Baer was like, look, they're 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: maybe twelve to twenty thousand people dead, and the reality 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: is that they don't have weapons and we need help. 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: Right yeah, Look, and like you said, we could be 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: sending that help by the time you hear this podcast 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: or not. We really you know, as we like to 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: say in our house, are you asking me to get 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: into the mind of Donald Trump? Because I don't know. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: It could be anything could happen. It's tough. Like we've 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: talked about it on here. We're not big military intervention people. 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: But then when Trump pulls it off so effortlessly, both 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: the first time in Iran and then recently in Venezuela, 38 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: it's hard not to be for that. And I root 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: for the Iranian protesters, so, you know, hard to say. 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to lose any American lives. I think 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: that should be the first priority always, But these people 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: deserve a fighting chance. They used to be a normal country, 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: ish normalish country, and they can get back to it again. 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: And that's what they seem to be fighting for. 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: Well, and the Crown Prince, who has been exiled since 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: seventy eight. He was the son of the Shah American 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: Backshaw in nineteen seventy eight and nine. He says, there 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 3: is a polity that still exists here. There is a 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: civil level of society that still exists, that understands that 50 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: lived through this, that lived in a free society, which 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: is part of what you need. 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how much organized opposition there is. He says. 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: There are also people outside of Iran who he obviously 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: cannot name for security reasons, who would be willing to 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: be part of a transition. 56 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: Should it happen. 57 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: And also, I think when you're talking about Venezuela and Iran, 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: especially from yours and my point of view, which would be, 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: if we're doing military intervention, how is it helping America if. 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: Those places end up even marginally freer? Yep, Yeah, we 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: are safer, Yeah, we're safer. 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: And I think the first Iran strike is a total 63 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: and the results of it the total repudiation of the 64 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: Obama Biden strategy which I coddle these people and to 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: hope that they just played nice and if in ten 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: years they get a new guy, you know, that's not 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: my problem. I mean that was the stated policy, in 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: addition to giving them palettes of cash. 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: It was not a good policy. 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: So ten years rolled around and hey, here we are, 71 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: but we're still concerned about this. Yeah, you're right, marginal 72 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: change would be a huge help to us. Just a 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: safer world, a more normal world, all of it. 74 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with Iran and whether we step 76 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: in there. I mean, if we had to guess right now, 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: I'm guessing we do step in. Trump, see like you 78 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: want to, and when Trump wants to, Trump does it. 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: We also have an update on the synagogue in Mississippi, 80 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: and someone tweeted this, and now I don't know who 81 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: to credit to, but it was he said, basically, Nick 82 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: fuintes Candice Owen's Nazi, not Islamist. 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Hamas to be a Nazi. Yeah, and I think, unfortunately, due. 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: To the horseshoe of anti Semitism, that is a succinct, 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: in correct way to say that. His name is Steven 86 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: Spencer Pittman, a nineteen year old who had a baseball career, 87 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 3: who went to college, who has you know, Yeah, seemingly 88 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: a stable family and clearly went down a very bad 89 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: path here. 90 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, our friend Bonchi Red State tweeted about him and said, 91 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: almost every groper which is a Nick Foinds follower you'll 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: find out on here that shares their identity is either 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: middle class or higher. It's not a movement of abused people. 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: It's movement of board morons trying to be edge lords, 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: led by self serving influencers who like money. 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: And that's what. 97 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: We've got here. I'll also add that I've had sources 98 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: tell me that Pittman had a bad drug problem. I 99 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: don't want to make it sound like that excuses anything 100 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: at all, but it sounds like he made a few 101 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: bad calls in his life and this is where he 102 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: ended up where burned a synagogue, Like you know, people 103 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: are on X been joking around like has he ever 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: even met a Jewish person? Is it like even remotely 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: part of his life? He did it, you know, seemingly 106 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: for no reason at all, and will likely have destroyed 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: his life over this. The candices and pointesses of the world, 108 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: it's at their. 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: Feet and well, and they'll just go on making money, 110 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: so they're fine. 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: They're fine. Right. 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: We also have a big case at Scotis. Yeah, so 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: this is West Virginia and Idaho laws. The states at 114 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: Scotis defending their laws that ban boys from. 115 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Competing in women's sports. 116 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: So right, that would include trands identify buying boys from 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: competing in women's sports. The argument from some lower courts 118 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: and from left activists is that they don't have the 119 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 3: right to say that only women can play in women's sports, 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: that in fact, you have to allow boys to play 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: women's sports, which to me is so insane because it 122 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: utterly undermines the whole point of Title nine, Yeah, which 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: is the statute under which they are bringing these cases 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: Title nine, and also equal protection in the fourteenth Amendment. 125 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I listened to the. 126 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: Audio of this, and I got to say, it was 127 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: like who's on first, or or theys on first? Because 128 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: they What happens here is that lefties require you to 129 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: go to the Supreme Court to explain things that are 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: plainly obvious. Now, the reason they're doing that is because 131 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: they don't like the facts. Yeah, that this is plainly 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: obvious that men and women are different, the fact that 133 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: they should be separated. Yea, that men shouldn't take up 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: women's spaces, and so they turn it into this gobbledegook 135 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: of gender matters when we want it to, but sex 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: matters when we want it to. 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: But gender matters now. 138 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: But they just switch as needed as they're making a 139 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: legal argument. And I got to say, I felt like 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: I was being subjected to their mental illness listening to it. 141 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: Like my head hurts from this. The two people in 142 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: the case, I'm just gonna tell you what their names 143 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: are now Becky pepper Jackson and Lindsay Heacox. Now Heacocks 144 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: is twenty five, no longer competes in any sports that 145 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: matter in this case, and in fact no longer wants 146 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: to be a part of this case. But it's at 147 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court and it's too late for all that. 148 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: Pepper Jackson, however, in West Virginia, still very much in 149 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,559 Speaker 2: high school, wants to play with the girls. And the 150 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: arguments here are that pepper Jackson quote unquote transitioned very early, 151 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: so it has taken puberty blockers, so hasn't gone through 152 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: male puberty. And the lawyers on that side are making 153 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: the argument that book, you know, took puberty blockers. Therefore 154 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: is a girl therefore never went through male puberty, therefore 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: has no advantage. And the truth is that there's still 156 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: an advantage. I just look at a group of ten 157 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: year old boys play a sport and a group of 158 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: ten year old girls play a sport, and see what 159 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: the differences are. I have a little, tiny ten year old, 160 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: you know, we always joke about him. He's really little, 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: but he's very athletic, right, ramming into people like you 162 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: couldnot even imagine. And there's a big difference between boys 163 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: and girls. And it's obvious to any parents, even before 164 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: these kids go through puberty. Any parent who has ever 165 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: watched kids play sports. 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: I think obviously there's a fairness issue, that's a safety issue. 167 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: I was at a protecting Women's sports gala last night 168 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 3: with the Americans Defending Free or Alliance Defending Freedom, which 169 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: is part of this legal action, and one mom is 170 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 3: talking about how her kid had to quit the track 171 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: team because right the boy on the team was making 172 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: sexual threats to the women on the team and the coach, 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: and the administration is saying, we can't do anything or 174 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: we'll be fired or sued. That the idea that you 175 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: cannot protect these young women that that is the thing 176 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: that is a bridge too far instead of the actual 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: sexual threats of minor children. Is so crazy making to 178 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: me that we've got to this point at all. But 179 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: I do think the humors of liberal activists two times 180 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: now has led them to the court making what sound 181 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: like pretty bad arguments. We can't say what the court 182 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: will do on this. Obviously, in Bostock in twenty twenty, 183 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: they sided with transgender arguments that in a employment situation 184 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 3: you cannot discriminate. 185 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: Listen, but I feel like that's normal. 186 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Title nine is very different. 187 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: Title nine requires separating sex's that was the point. You 188 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: want to take that into consideration. But they seem to 189 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: have gone up there and made very bad arguments, and 190 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: in fact conceded a lot of their arguments by saying, hey, no, no, no, 191 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: we just want an exception for the medically treated trands, 192 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: which by the way, subjects all high school and elementary 193 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: school and middle school women to blood testing. 194 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: At some point. Is that what we're going to do 195 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: right right? At any rate? 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: It's all impractical and stupid, And I'm going to put 197 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: you a clip of Justice Alito. Having reached the point 198 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: that I've reached where he goes, this is all crazy, 199 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: except he says it in a more dignified way, and 200 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: he asks, like, seems like we need a definition of 201 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: sex if we're going to establish that you've been discriminated 202 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: against based on sex. 203 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: Do you have one? 204 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: Here? 205 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: We go it does that? 206 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 4: Then? Is it not necessary for there to be for 207 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 4: equal protection purposes? If that is challenged under the equal 208 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: protection clause? An understanding of what it means to be 209 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 4: a boy or a girl or a maneral woman? Yes? 210 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 5: Sure? 211 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: And what is that definition for equal protection purposes? What 212 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 4: does what does it mean to be a boy or 213 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 4: a girl or a manoral woman? 214 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 5: Sorry, And the centers to your question. I think the 215 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 5: underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law would 216 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 5: we'd have to have an understanding of how the state 217 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 5: or the government was understanding that term to figure out 218 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 5: whether or not someone was excluded. We do not have 219 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 5: a definition for the court, and we don't take issue 220 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 5: with the We're not disputing the definition here. What we're 221 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 5: saying is that the way it applies in practice is 222 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 5: to exclude birth sex males categorically from women's teams, and 223 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: that there's a subset of those birth sex males where 224 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 5: it doesn't make sense to do so according to the 225 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 5: state's own interest. 226 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 4: Well, how can a court determine whether there's a discrimination 227 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: on the basis of sex without knowing what sex means 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: for equal protection purposes? 229 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 5: I think here we just know that we basically know 230 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 5: that the that they've identified, pursue into their own statue, 231 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 5: Lindsay qualifies as a birth sex male, and she's being 232 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 5: excluded categorically from the women's teams as the statute. So 233 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 5: we're taking the statues's definitions as we find them and 234 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 5: we don't dispute them. 235 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: There needs to be a definition of sex for you 236 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: to determine whether someone has been discriminated on the basis 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: of their sex. What happened here, it feels to me 238 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 3: and Scrimmetti was similar, is that a tantrum made its 239 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: way to the Supreme Court, and like all these bizarre 240 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: definitions and uses of language that don't comport with legal 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: standards or legal tradition make their way to the Supreme Court, 242 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: and then the lawyers glitch out when their internal logic 243 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: is eventually confronted. Because the internal logic of the gender 244 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: movement doesn't work. 245 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: Right there's no logic. It's just I feel. I feel 246 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: that this should be the way it is, and there's 247 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: no logic there. You're arguing that there's no difference between 248 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: boys and girls, like get out of here, Like stop. Yeah, 249 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: you know. I had a column on this in Yesterday's 250 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: and Wednesday's New York Post. And there's a reason wh're 251 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: not seeing biological girls in front of the Supreme Court 252 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: desperately trying to get into boys sports. There's a reason 253 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: for that because they would not succeed in those sports, 254 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: and that is why they're not fighting to get into it. 255 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: These biological boys are crushing the girls in these sports, 256 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: and that's why they are trying to get into it. 257 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: It's pretty easy. 258 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are benefits that were down to them. 259 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: Even a UN report at that GALLA last night was 260 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 3: cited for saying, like some six hundred plus medals and 261 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: awards have gone to biological men in competitions. And by 262 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: the way, if you do want to play a sport 263 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: which I think is healthy and good for you, yeah, 264 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: mentally and physically, there are many co ed, not very 265 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: competitive situations in which you can just happily play with 266 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: men and women because men and women have decided these 267 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: are the spaces in which it is safe for us 268 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: to do this together. 269 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 2: That's right. 270 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: So there are opportunities, but you are not going to 271 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 3: be able to reach the higher echelons of sports, nor 272 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: should you in like properly regulated competitive areas. Join erect 273 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: league of adults who play doing men and women's soccer. 274 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: Easy call. Yeah, I got to do it at my gym. 275 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: I go to my gym and I compete with myself. Guys, 276 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: I love it. 277 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: We'll be taking a short break on normally and we'll. 278 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Be right back. 279 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: All right, we are back on normally. Carol with a 280 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 3: story about a tax debacle out of California. This one's 281 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: quite a story. Billion billions, billions of dollars in wealth 282 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: are leaving the state of California now like piecing out 283 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: now why Because California has a ballot initiative process that 284 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 3: allows them to announce a ballot initiative. 285 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: It will be on the ballot in November. 286 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: The one they have this year is a wealth tax 287 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: that would affect all these billionaires that live in the state. 288 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: They want to confiscate huge amounts of. 289 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: Their money, sometimes on real life money, just like whatever 290 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: you got, we're going to take because we're we're promising 291 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: free stuff to everyone. They put it on the ballot 292 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: for November, and then they think to themselves, Aha, if 293 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: we put it the lefties go on the ballot in November, 294 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: then all the billionaires will will take their money. And 295 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: so we're going to backdate it the effective date, and 296 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: the effective date was January of this year. Yeah, before 297 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: it's even on the ballot. And so the billionaires were like, noted, 298 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: we will take our mind. 299 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: Now. The cell phone is incredible. 300 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing because these people, so it's the SEIU 301 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: United Healthcare Workers West, it's a statewide union of CERTAINCE employees, 302 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: and their leadership are the ones who put this Billionaire 303 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: Tax Act on the ballot. It's actually not on the 304 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: ballot yet. They need a million signatures by I believe 305 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: it's June or July, so they still have some work 306 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: to do. It not only might not pass, it might 307 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: take the ballot. 308 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: On the ballot and they've already screwed themselves. 309 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: But here's the reality of it is that the billionaires 310 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: who left don't trust their fellow Californians not to pick 311 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: this right. That's what this is all about out there 312 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: thinking it's possible. Like if this made it onto the 313 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: ballot in Florida, I would be confident this would not pass. 314 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: But California, who knows. So I've got a piece on 315 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: this on the Fox News website tomorrow Friday. But Larry 316 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: Page and Sir Gay Brint, co founders of Google, they 317 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: left and I love this. All the billionaires as they're leaving, 318 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: they're like I moved in December. They're all like, you know. 319 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: Peter Thiel released a press release about moving and made 320 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: sure to note that he got the office space in December. 321 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: But basically Gary Tan, who is self described San Francisco Democrat, 322 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: he explained that Brinn and Page can't stay in California 323 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: because the wealth tax would confiscate fifty percent of their 324 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: Alphabet shares. They each own around three percent of Alphabet stock, 325 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: this guy says worth about one hundred and twenty billion 326 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: each at today's fourtullion market cap, But because their shares 327 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: have ten times the voting power, this billionaire tax would 328 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: treat them as owning thirty percent of the company, and 329 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: that means each founder's taxable wealth would be one point 330 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: two trillion. A five percent wealth tax on one point 331 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: two trillion equals sixty billion dollar tax bill each, so 332 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: fifty percent of their holdings would be wiped out with 333 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: this guy five percent tax. Now, the thing is, you know, 334 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: I don't love that people who supported this insanity right 335 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: up until the leopards ate their face are making a move. 336 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: I think some people are going to have to stay 337 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 2: and fight. And I just think, like, I don't know, 338 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: Page and Brynn. I've heard that they really smartened up, 339 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: and not like not in the last few months, more 340 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: like in the last few years. They both have made 341 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: some real shifts in their beliefs. I hope that's true. 342 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: Peter Thiel, he's obviously an open conservative, so he can 343 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: move wherever he wants. But some of the other ones. 344 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: Reid Hoffman, I'm the co founder of LinkedIn. He supports 345 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: every ridiculous Democrat proposal. You're gonna have to stay and 346 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: fight for this one, mister Hoffman. This one is at 347 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: your feet. 348 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: This is like, you're very real, mugged by reality. Yeah, 349 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: in the state of California. 350 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: I just love that California is so crazy and so 351 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: willing to be crazy that the very proposal of the 352 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: crazy is like, I can't risk that. 353 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: I can't risk the insanity. 354 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 3: And I also enjoyed that the SEIU thought that it 355 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: was going to outsmart the billionaires getting so good, and 356 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: the millionaires are like, you can't outsmart us. 357 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: Leaving me now the most mobile people in society, Can 358 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: we just be real here, the people who have Like, 359 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 2: if me and you have to move tomorrow, that's going 360 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: to be tough. If Larry Page has to move tomorrow, 361 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: he's got an army that can move them tomorrow. 362 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 363 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: And he can get his kid into Eddy school he wants, 364 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: he can do, he can move anywhere. He picks a 365 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: house that he likes, he pays ten times what it's worth, 366 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: and that's his else now it doesn't matter. Yeah, they 367 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: picked on the wrong segment of the population. 368 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 369 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: Let me let me just add Gavin Newsom is vowing 370 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: to fight this. Okay, well you already you've already lost 371 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: the fight to a great extent. And it says he's 372 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: he has not backed wealth taxes in the past, And 373 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: I would just say, why, why, Gavin Newsom are you 374 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: against this? Because if they're not paying their fair share in. 375 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: The state of California, lecture share the rest. 376 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: Of us about all the time, then you shouldn't oppose this. 377 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: The Union argues, this is New York Times, that the 378 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: tax is necessary to make up for deep cuts to 379 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: healthcare that President Trump's signed into law last year, including 380 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: reductions in Medicaid that's fraud prevention YEP, YEP, Formal Care 381 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: Act subsidies, fraud prevention, COVID nonsense, and food assistants. The 382 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: Union's proposal calls for the state to spend ninety percent 383 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: of the new tax money on healthcare, with the rest 384 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: of voted to FOD assistance in education. By the way, 385 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: they're bleeding themselves drive with fraud and benefits to illegal. 386 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Aliens as well. 387 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: Right, and I love this quote from the chief of 388 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: staff to the labor to the governor. 389 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: Is focused on the wrong problem here. 390 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: Susanne jim And has said, the problem is not just 391 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: about the preferences of two hundred ultra wealthy individuals. The 392 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: problem is millions will lose healthcare, and that's really the 393 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: problem we're trying to solve. She doesn't understand what the 394 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 3: two hundred un have and why it's important, and like 395 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: it doesn't belong to you. 396 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: You amazing you can't just take it. That's not how 397 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: it works. 398 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: Timath Pellipidia, he is one of the hosts of the 399 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: All In podcasts. By the way of the four two 400 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: are gone, one left recently, and two are still in California, 401 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: I think, just seeing what happened, but he points out 402 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: that the excess of seven hundred billion left California just 403 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: last month, and that means that the two trillion of 404 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: California wealth they expected to tax is already right now 405 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: down to one point three trillion. Like they are not 406 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: going to have anybody to tax when this is over. 407 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: And you know who should be worried, honestly the multimillionaires. 408 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: After that, all the billionaires have left and they bought 409 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: up all the property where you might want to live. 410 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: They're coming for the next wrong down and they're going 411 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: to keep going until they could pay for their ridiculous proposals. 412 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: So you know, here here we are, I'm not surprised 413 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: that California did this. I think that that's they've become 414 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 2: the place where crazy ideas are born. And Gavin Newsom 415 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: could be against this all he wants, He's still responsible 416 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: for the tsunami of insanity that exists in his state. Yep, yeah, 417 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: I liked Mike's Solana, who's one of my favorite Twitter follows. 418 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: He's letter in chief of Pirate Wires. Just so smart 419 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: and funny, he tweets. Now that we're calculating net worth 420 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: as control, I'd like to remind you that Rocanna, who 421 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: is a congressman and is one of the people who's 422 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: supportive of thiswealth tax, is one of five hundred and 423 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: thirty five United States legislators that gives him a roundero 424 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 2: point nineteen percent control of a six point three trillion 425 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: budget and brings his net worth to something like twelve billion. 426 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: His tax bill five hundred and ninety eight million, five 427 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. 428 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: Row, pay up, Pay your fair share, buddy, Yeah, you. 429 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: Want to You want to talk about unrealized gains. That 430 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: that's one of them. 431 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: Left he's not seeing. How incentives work is just a 432 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 3: classic genre. It happens all the time. We'll never get old. 433 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: It really won't. We're going to take a short break 434 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: and talk about how some writies don't understand how incentives work. 435 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 6: Well. 436 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 5: Now. 437 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: The next segment will be Trump administration, the good and 438 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: the bad. We are back on normally where look, the 439 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: Trump administration, some hits, some misses. This is what it's 440 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: all about. Well, let's start with the misses, because we 441 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: just tease that Donald Trump is proposing a cap on 442 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: credit card interest rates, and that cap is going to 443 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: be ten percent. This is a really dumb idea. I 444 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: give him a lot of leeway with his economic populism 445 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: because he ran on it and he won on it, 446 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: and that's the way things go. But this is really 447 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 2: one of the ideas that are so poorly thought out, 448 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: and we'll have such a percussions. I just think, on 449 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 2: a really basic level, I grew up in Brooklyn. You 450 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: can find someone to lend you money at a high 451 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: interest rate if you need to, and it won't be 452 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: chased or visa. It'll be the shady guy on your street. 453 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: Well, I think what happens is people assume, and it 454 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: sounds very People are gonna like this idea that the 455 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: sound of it is good right up until they won't. Okay, great, 456 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: credit cards can't charge me. More than that, You have 457 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: to think to the second order consequences beyond the first 458 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: one once they can't charge you. That prices are a signal, 459 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 3: interest rates are a signal your interest rate is a 460 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: signal of how risky you are to rent to give 461 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: loans to and so once you cannot be charged the 462 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 3: amount that is commensurate with your riskiness, you will not 463 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 3: get money. That's how it works, and unfortunately that will 464 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: fall on people who need money, who are in more 465 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: dire situations, lower income brackets, who want to rebuild, who 466 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: need tools to do that, and they will end up 467 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 3: doing payday loans or as you noted, extra an extra 468 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: financial sector investments and transactions, and it will go badly 469 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: and suddenly when those people don't have access to credit, 470 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: they will be very mad at the people who cause 471 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: that problem. 472 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think about all of the 473 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: tech bros whose stories start out with we started this 474 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: company in our garage and we put everything on the 475 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: credit card. And yeah, interest rates are high, and you 476 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: should avoid them as much as possible by paying off 477 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: all of your credit card debt every month, then your 478 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: interest rate is zero. But people take chances with the 479 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: loans that they get, and it's going to lead to 480 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: fewer people being able to take chances, like the people 481 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: who start their businesses and their garages and put all 482 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: the money on the credit cards and all of that. 483 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: It's going to be a real hard thing for people 484 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: like that. 485 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: Also, Trump loves debt. What do we do? 486 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: What is going on? Yeah, he's you know, I feel 487 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: like he's getting some bad economic populism advice. And I 488 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: you know a lot of people who like Donald Trump. 489 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: Every time he does something they don't like, they blame 490 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: it on people in his ear. But you're right, he 491 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: likes debt. How is he now anti debt? How does 492 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: this make sense? 493 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: I mean I would love to just like keep the 494 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: credit card stuff where it is and do some more 495 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: financial literacy from the presidential podium. 496 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: That might help. 497 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, there are downsides, of course, But there 498 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: are downsides to this policy that people do not recognize. 499 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: Our friend Jesse Kelly has been all over this, and 500 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed his tweets, But he tweeted, if you 501 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: think putting a cap on credit card interest will help 502 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: with affordability, then there's little that can be done for you. 503 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: Jesse's kind of abrasive, but that's why we love him. 504 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: That's not at all how that's going to work. You're 505 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: simply going to regulate the poor out of access, as 506 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: price controls always do. I mean, that's it, that's what's 507 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: going to end up happening. And you know here we are. Yep, 508 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 2: it's true. 509 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: But we have a good story for mood. 510 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's hear the troll story from the Trump administration. 511 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: Right. Well, we have a little clip from twenty fourteen 512 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: South Park that previewed this week's news. 513 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Can we play that. 514 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 6: It's dinner time on the East Coast in less than 515 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 6: an hour, people are going to die. 516 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 3: Sir. 517 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: We've got a boy on the highlight. 518 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 7: It says he might know something. Who is this? 519 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: My name is important? 520 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: What matters is that The answer is in the pyramid. 521 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 7: The pyramid. 522 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 6: That's ancient stuff. 523 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 7: You're talking about it. 524 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: You sure bring up the pyramid, but what is it? 525 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: What is it? 526 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: Thought? 527 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 6: We built the pyramid a long time ago to illustrate 528 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 6: how much people should eat in the four basic food groups. 529 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: Sir. 530 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 6: We abandoned the pyramid when Michelle Obama got involved. The 531 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 6: pyramid doesn't work. We've already tried it. 532 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: It's upside down. 533 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 8: What upside down? 534 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 7: Turn the pyramid upside down? 535 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: You can't be serious. 536 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 7: That would put the butter in beat at the top 537 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 7: of the damn food pyramid. This is not FDA approved. 538 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 7: It's dinner time on the East coast in ten minutes. No, 539 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 7: do it, sir, We've got a match. 540 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: Nutrition is stabilizing. 541 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 6: We've got a well balanced vaccine, Sir. 542 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 7: Get the President on the phone, tell him to have some. 543 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: Steak with his butter. 544 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: I love that. 545 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, south Park ahead of its time. 546 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 547 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: So the thing about this is that South Park, although 548 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: it looks very much like it knows the future a 549 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: soothsayer in this uh bit. 550 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: We all knew it by then. 551 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: We've all known that the nutrition advice was very bad 552 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: from the federal government, has been bad for a long time. 553 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 3: Is in part created by big agg by subsidies. Yeah, 554 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: I think I think it was Jillian Michaels who said this. 555 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: The pyramid isn't like advice for regular people. Although it 556 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: does trickle down and people get bad advice, It's not 557 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: just that it is a map for subsidies and a 558 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: map for US giving billions and trillions and money to 559 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: interests that don't necessarily serve nutrition. What is supposed to 560 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 3: be the message here? And so I think, look, I 561 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: think this is a needed correction. I often disagree with 562 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: RFQ Junior but not on this one. I also would 563 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: like to shout out that they did fantastic design. 564 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: Work, so nice a design firm on this poster. 565 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have never wanted a piece of government 566 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: messaging in my home before, but that poster is making 567 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 3: me rethink. 568 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, come on you let you had the Cuomo Hill 569 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: poster that he made for himself, right, the mountain of 570 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: mountain of yes. 571 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 3: The courage Mountain or whatever he called it. But I 572 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: think I think this is a correct move. I think 573 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: that if you are funneling subsidies to us processed food, 574 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: if you are encouraging people to find real food, if 575 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: you stop demonizing protein and fat, that's we're all good 576 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: things direction. 577 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, go have some steak with butter tonight. 578 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 8: Friends, Yes, quit eating your rice cakes and like soda, 579 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 8: that's not gonna have soda and the rice cakes. Like, 580 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 8: I'm not hating on either one of them, but like 581 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 8: those are not going to solve your problems. 582 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: That's right. 583 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays 584 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 585 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. 586 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and when things get weird, act normally