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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: The Patriots squeak by the Broncos in the snow and

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Speaker 2: Seattle holds off the Rams thirty one, twenty seven. You

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Speaker 2: start to look at some of the stats from these games,

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Speaker 2: like Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford's first quarterback in NFL history

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Speaker 2: to lose a playoff game while throwing for at least

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions,

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Speaker 2: no turnovers. Yeah, stat of the day, Yeah, we could

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Speaker 2: do the day that pass stat of the day.

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Speaker 3: Stat of the day.

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Speaker 4: Here comes that what stat of the day.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the Seahawks Rams the second in NFL postseason

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Speaker 2: history in which both quarterbacks threw three touchdown passes zero interceptions.

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Speaker 2: The only other time was the Chiefs and the Bills

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one divisional round. That's where Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: had four tds Mahomes had three. But it's when you

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Speaker 2: complete those passes, because when you're zero for seven on

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Speaker 2: third and fourth down that came back to haunt the

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Speaker 3: Now there's a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of questions, you know, with these teams moving forward,

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Speaker 2: like Denver, what happens, you know, when they get bow

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Speaker 2: Nick's back. It's a really young team. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Mark Schiert, the former Bronco now worked for Fox. He

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Speaker 2: was at the game yesterday. Get his thoughts as they

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Speaker 2: move forward, you know, the Rams moving forward. The big

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Speaker 2: question is going to be about Matthew Stafford, and Sean

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Speaker 2: McVeigh did not want to hear that question after the game.

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Speaker 5: Sean, do you expect Matthew Stafford to be back next season?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean that's I mean, if he still wants to

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Speaker 6: play the whole kind of question, is that the answer?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to ask him, and we've been totally present.

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Speaker 5: I know that if he wants to, he's still playing.

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Speaker 4: At a pretty damn good clip.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's the MVP of the league.

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Speaker 7: And if he's not, you know, I mean, I got

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Speaker 7: respect for everybody else, but this guy played out a lot.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's just different.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a silly question. Because Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: was asking. He said, I can't really sum up what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen the next six months in ten minutes

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Speaker 2: or ten minutes after a loss. But it's not a

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Speaker 2: silly question, you know, you like to be fair to

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Speaker 2: the situation. You just lost a very tough game. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you can ask it in a softer way and still

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Speaker 2: maybe get an answer that you want. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: big questions here with Matthew Stafford unbelievable year, crazy numbers.

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Speaker 2: Does he want to go through it again at age

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Speaker 2: thirty seven? But yeah, I think it's it's fair in

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Speaker 2: the moment to ask that. But you know, you're watching

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Speaker 2: the game and you keep thinking, okay, whenever the Rams

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Speaker 2: would do something, Seattle would answer back, and Phukinakua showed

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Speaker 2: up in a big way. But I don't want America to,

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Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden go. But that guy,

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Speaker 2: Jackson Smith Nujigba is really good. He's great now. He

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Speaker 2: gets lost in the shuffle, even in his own division,

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Speaker 2: but he is a tremendous player. He's not pookin a kupa.

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Speaker 3: But nobody is.

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Speaker 2: But boy, he's He's right there with him on the doorstep,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure. And you saw that yesterday and Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold Sam Donald played well, really well, And we were

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Speaker 2: talking about this prior to the show and Fritzie said,

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Speaker 2: you know, can he wipe all of that away. If

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Speaker 2: he doesn't play well in the Super Bowl, I don't

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Speaker 2: know you know how much house credit he has because

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Speaker 2: we still go back to what happened with the Vikings

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Speaker 2: that they moved on from him.

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Speaker 3: He's played well.

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Speaker 2: He didn't have to play great the last game, but

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Speaker 2: he played well yesterday, like he's the reason why they

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Speaker 2: won the game. Not hey, defense played really well. Now

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Speaker 2: they had to go toe to toe with the Rams,

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Speaker 2: and I thought Sam Darnold did a wonderful job going

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Speaker 2: toe to toe. Not easy to do when you're going

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Speaker 2: against Matthew Stafford. But here is the final hall of

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks winning the NFC title.

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Speaker 8: Shotgun staff of Stafford. Nine seconds left. Stafford looks, fires

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Speaker 8: ball is caught. Pooka Nakua slides out about no clock.

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Speaker 5: Keep moving the cool fine where you are going set

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Speaker 5: the super Bowl?

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Speaker 8: Take your helmets off, fires they're breaking the class. Next

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Speaker 8: storm Seahawks Trid and the Seahawks are going back to

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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 8: The fourth Super Bowl appearance in franchise history.

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Speaker 2: Courtesy of the Seattle Seahawks Radio Network. Mike McDonald America

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Speaker 2: is the Seahawks head coach and he talked about sam

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Speaker 2: Donold's performance.

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Speaker 9: You can't talk about the game. They was talking about

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Speaker 9: our quarterback. I mean, he just shut a lot of

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Speaker 9: people up tonight. So I'm really happy for him. Three

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Speaker 9: hundred something yards, free touchdowns, no picks, big every time

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Speaker 9: they went and scored again, he came back, had some

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Speaker 9: big time throws on third down, two minute drive, four

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Speaker 9: minute drive. The guy barely practiced all week. You just

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Speaker 9: really happy for him. He deserves it. Just been in

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Speaker 2: And then you had the other game with the Patriots

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Speaker 2: then you factor in the snow, and granted Denver was

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Speaker 2: into that game and you got Jared Stidham trying to

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Speaker 2: do it. But there was a moment, and I think

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Speaker 2: you have to be honest with yourself, what would you

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Speaker 2: know bad weather is coming. That was in the forecast,

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Speaker 2: kick the field goal. Just kick the field goal. It's

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Speaker 2: ten to nothing and you'll be fine. And I think

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Speaker 2: that was the surprising part of it is it feels

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Speaker 2: like it's a failure if you don't go forward on

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Speaker 2: fourth down, and somehow, you know, you come away with

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Speaker 2: points out there with a backup quarterback, bad weather coming,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know how many chances you're going to

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Speaker 3: And I thought, kicked field goal. Just kick it.

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Speaker 2: It's ten to nothing, because the worst case scenario to

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Speaker 2: the momentum. At least I get three, and it puts

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Speaker 2: even more pressure on the Patriots. And Patriots, you know,

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Speaker 2: neither team really had a running game. But here's Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton talking about going forward on fourth and one.

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Speaker 6: Just felt like, man, we had momentum, get up fourteen.

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Speaker 4: It felt like we had a good call.

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Speaker 6: Were at yard line wise there, Yeah, I think I

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Speaker 6: think the feeling was, man, let's let's be aggressive to

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Speaker 6: you get up fourteen. I was just watching the way

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Speaker 2: I understand it. I don't know if it was analytics.

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Speaker 2: It may have been just gut feeling. It may have

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Speaker 2: just been Sean Payton bravado that we got him. And

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Speaker 2: I did say after the fact, look, if they had

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Speaker 2: scored a touchdown, you're up fourteen, you're probably winning that game.

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Speaker 2: So I understood the risk and the reward. But with

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Speaker 2: Bo Nicks, Okay, I'll run that play. But even then

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Speaker 2: I don't like my backup quarterback rolling right. Therefore he's

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Speaker 2: taken away half the field. And give credit to the

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Speaker 2: Patriots because they weren't fooled at all on that play.

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Speaker 2: But you know this fourth down analytics and it's gone crazy.

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Speaker 2: And I go back to the Detroit Lions would have

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Speaker 3: This is the postseason. In the regular season, you.

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Speaker 2: Live for another day, another week, another game, not now,

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Speaker 2: And I think that came back to haunt them because

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna ask too much of Jared Stidham. I

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Speaker 2: just wanted him to maintain you throw one deep pass

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Speaker 2: They just weren't threatening on one. Neither team was because

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Speaker 2: the weather was, you know, obviously rough enough that we

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Speaker 2: could even find you know, Jim Nantz is like, I

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Speaker 2: think the thirty three yard line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, heton.

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Speaker 10: It's almost like those two big plays that Stidham had,

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Speaker 10: the big throw and then the touchdown right after, maybe

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Speaker 10: those those two plays were really huge failures by the defense.

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Speaker 2: Broncos defense was great, and I thought that there were

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Speaker 2: that last call where he doesn't tell anybody that he's

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Speaker 2: that first down scramble to solidify the game.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean we were a big personnel running running

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Speaker 11: the same deal to the right little stretch play and

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Speaker 11: you know at some point, you know they get lasadaisical

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Speaker 11: first and Coach Frave's probably get mad about your run

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Speaker 11: out of bounds, but at that point it doesn't matter

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Speaker 11: when you when you get the first down. So that

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Speaker 11: was a cool moment and cool separate those guys. It's

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Speaker 11: always cool finishing in Vicky formation.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty sweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an amazing play. And I want to to

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Speaker 2: talk to Mark Schlerenth. He'll join us later on about that.

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Speaker 2: He was a former offensive lineman that you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: when you don't tell everybody, you don't have to worry

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Speaker 2: you want to give the defense what they think they're seeing,

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Speaker 2: and you know, not where well, we don't have to

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Speaker 2: block that hard. Oh, we're going to run this, you know,

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Speaker 2: misdirection or fake play, bootleg, whatever it is. You want

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Speaker 2: them doing their job. And Drake May did just that.

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Speaker 2: He had to beat one guy, did it in an

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Speaker 2: incredible call.

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Speaker 3: At that moment.

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Speaker 2: Seahawks favored by four and a half against the Patriots

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Speaker 2: and the over under is a forty five and a half.

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Speaker 2: The odds on favorite according to DraftKings, your Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: MVP is Sam Darnold, followed by Drake May, then Jackson Smith, Najigba,

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker Junior the third. By the way, I have

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl odds for twenty twenty seven. I just got those.

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Speaker 2: The Seahawks and the Rams are co favorites next year,

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Speaker 2: followed closely by the Bills, the Patriots, and then the Eagles, Lions,

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Speaker 2: phone calls coming up, Seaton. We'll give us a poll

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Speaker 2: question for the first hour of the program. Mike Golick

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Speaker 10: A couple here. We have several from Todd MM. I

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Speaker 2: We'll get to Todd's because Todd lost a bet with

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Speaker 2: you that the callers are always right. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: And then add to that that's terrible.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you say, like John Elway is probably the most

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Speaker 3: Say, absolutely he is.

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Speaker 2: And here's well, let me go to Chris and Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: Chris will set the table for this is how it's

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Speaker 3: Hi Chris, Hey, thanks Dan.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I have a best and worst and I would

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Speaker 12: That hurts Toad. Everyone says that John Elway looks just

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Speaker 13: You know there's a teeth thing there with John, and

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Speaker 4: I hate to admit that, but there is a thing there.

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Speaker 3: Somehow, I'm down around them. Applause from Fritzy.

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Speaker 2: Tough day today for Fritzel, tough day, tough day dressed

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Speaker 2: for Cancun, just like the Broncos are You didn't watch

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Speaker 4: And there's good luck. Charms turned out to be not

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Speaker 3: Thank you to keep your head up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no guarantee you score a touchdown there. I

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Speaker 3: Then I come away in its ten points.

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Speaker 2: Now I put even more pressure on Drake May and

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Speaker 2: first team to fourteen. Yeah, Paulie, do you think that

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Speaker 2: best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that

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Speaker 3: We need to change the offensive coordinator. We did that.

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Speaker 10: A tweet over the weekend that said, going from Mike

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Speaker 14: And I really haven't been able to stop it again,

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Speaker 2: What were you expecting in that game?

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Speaker 2: If you knew that the conditions were going to be

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Speaker 16: Sean Payton should have kicked it anyway? And I said it,

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Speaker 4: This is a rock fight game. This is a low

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Speaker 16: Even if it was didn't snow in the second half,

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Speaker 16: That pass play, Dan, where the rollout of the quarterback

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. It was great coverage by New England,

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Speaker 16: Play that lets quick pressure come on the quarterback and

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Speaker 2: But do you think this, how much of this is

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Speaker 16: And that's a surprising thing, Dan. If you break down

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Speaker 16: But in the regular season the Broncos were ten of twenty.

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Speaker 16: It's a seven tozering game. It's a rock fight. Offenses

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Speaker 16: They were one of the most least penalized teams in

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Speaker 4: Make the mistake, and you saw Denver make the mistake.

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Speaker 16: I thought it was a mistake not going forward on

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Speaker 16: They played clean, they play accountable, and they play aggressive.

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Speaker 2: You have the call that Drake May calls on the

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Speaker 4: Well, this is Josh McDaniels. I mean that was a twofold.

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Speaker 16: It was a safe play, so the ball wasn't going

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Speaker 4: There was no no other way that was going to happen.

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Speaker 16: Uh, the outside backer got beat, got sucked in on

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Speaker 2: I thought he had ample time opportunities to run even

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Speaker 16: Listen, we've seen Josh Allen win games with his legs,

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Speaker 16: and that's what Drake May did, especially in the second

441
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Speaker 16: half when there was going to be no offense because

442
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Speaker 16: of the weather. He was able to do it with

443
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Speaker 16: his likes and that that was a planned boot run

444
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Speaker 16: for the first down. But the runs he had scrambling,

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Speaker 16: and by the way, going into the game, he had

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Speaker 16: twenty seven scramble first downs, which was the most of

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Speaker 16: any quarterback in the league. So he was dangerous with

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Speaker 16: his legs and moving the sticks. But if you saw,

449
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Speaker 16: most of his scrambles were up the gut because Denver

450
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Speaker 16: does such a nice job of bringing pressure from the outside,

451
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Speaker 16: normally from the inside. Their two d tackles have combined

452
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Speaker 16: the most pressures in the league this year, but there

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Speaker 16: were holes that opened up that he could step up

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Speaker 16: into and take off. And at times, if you're caught

455
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Speaker 16: playing man in the secondary, there's a lot of green

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Speaker 16: to run and he took advantage of it.

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Speaker 2: The Rams get eliminated, and now you have the Matthew

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Speaker 2: Stafford question. You know, we always talk about, Oh, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to walk away from a game like this.

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Speaker 3: You all, you want to come back.

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Speaker 2: You know most of the time, you know, he stayed healthy,

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Speaker 2: he's got another year left if he wants to come back,

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Speaker 2: and you've got Pukinakua, you got tight ends, you got

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Speaker 2: Sean McVay, got a running game.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he come back?

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Speaker 16: Oh, I would think, first off, you know, I understand

467
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Speaker 16: reporters have to ask the question after the game, but

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Speaker 16: you're never going to get an answer from a coach

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Speaker 16: or a quarterback on what they're going to do. And

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Speaker 16: I always feel that Dan, at the end of a season,

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Speaker 16: every player is so mentally and physically drained that that's

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Speaker 16: not the time to make a decision. And most players

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Speaker 16: don't make a decision, or if they make a decision,

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Speaker 16: right at the end of the season. A lot of

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Speaker 16: times they change it after they've had a couple of

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Speaker 16: months to relax the body and relax the mind and

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Speaker 16: really take a breath and think about because what makes

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Speaker 16: somebody retire Dan is the off season work. It's not

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Speaker 16: the games, the games of the cherry on top. It's

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Speaker 16: from February to August, when no one's watching, when you've

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Speaker 16: got to put in the most work to give yourself

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Speaker 16: the best chance to be a great player during the

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Speaker 16: regular season. And players when they don't want to do

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Speaker 16: that anymore and know that they won't be at their

485
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Speaker 16: best if they don't put the work in, that's when

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Speaker 16: they retire. So it's got to be a couple of

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Speaker 16: months or maybe he knows already he's going to come back.

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Speaker 16: I think he's going to come back. I mean, remember

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Speaker 16: is back in preseason we thought, my god, he may

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Speaker 16: not even start the season. And he's going to be

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Speaker 16: the MVP this year, So I definitely think he's coming back.

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Speaker 3: Would you use one of your first round draft picks

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Speaker 3: on a quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Not in this draft class? No, I mean this draft class.

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Speaker 16: I mean where we talked about this possible draft class

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Speaker 16: at the beginning of the year and where it is now.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 3: If he's available at thirteen.

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Speaker 16: You know what the one good thing about Ty Simpson is,

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Speaker 16: or if he goes later in the first round, is

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Speaker 16: he'll sit. He only had fifteen starts, and it has

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Speaker 16: been proven time and time again, less starts in college,

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Speaker 16: less success early on in the NFL. But I I

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Speaker 16: have my questions about Ty Simpson, So no, I would not.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for the Sam Darnold redemption Tour?

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Speaker 4: Good for him, right?

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Speaker 16: I mean, obviously he has the issue every now and

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Speaker 16: then throwing interceptions, but he's had two great regular seasons.

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Speaker 4: This was a great postseason. And how about it. I

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Speaker 4: know the fact that the status everywhere.

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Speaker 16: He's in the Super Bowl before Baker Mayfield, who was

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Speaker 16: the number one pick, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all in

513
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Speaker 16: that same twenty eighteen draft.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, congrats to him. A couple other topics. Mike

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Speaker 2: McCarthy to the Steelers, your reaction.

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Speaker 4: Was, well, I mean, listen, he's a Pittsburgh guy.

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Speaker 16: And now the thing about it is you're not going

518
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Speaker 16: to get the long tenured coach like you did with

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Speaker 16: Chuck No.

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Speaker 4: Bill Cower and Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 16: You know mccarthyy, I think it's sixty two or sixty

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Speaker 16: three years old, So you're not going to get a

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Speaker 16: fifteen ten or fifteen year run.

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Speaker 4: I would doubt it. So, but he's a Pittsburgh guy.

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Speaker 16: So I mean, this cycle of coaches is bringing back

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Speaker 16: coaches who have been head coaches. And right now we've

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Speaker 16: had obviously one coordinator get a job as a first

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Speaker 16: time head coach, but it seems to be bringing back

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Speaker 16: the former head coaches.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to if you're an owner, to be

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Speaker 2: that you don't take the excuse of, hey, I can't

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Speaker 2: turn it around overnight. If you look at what some

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Speaker 2: of these coaches have done, certainly what Rabel did in

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Speaker 2: New England.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean we've lost patients in the NFL, at

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Speaker 16: least some teams have, right I think Tennessee do you

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Speaker 16: think they regret getting rid of Rabel? And Pittsburgh has

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Speaker 16: been the ultimate kind of just relax and let our

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Speaker 16: coach work through it. But I don't think there's enough

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Speaker 16: patients in the NFL. And you make changes and then

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Speaker 16: you see where a cycle goes. Is it a lot

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Speaker 16: of first time head coaches? Or is it coaches again,

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Speaker 16: If you were a head coach and now you're either

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Speaker 16: not coaching or you're a coordinator, and you go back

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Speaker 16: to being a head coach. Most time you have a

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Speaker 16: losing record, that's why you're not a head coach anymore. Right,

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Speaker 16: But you're getting kind of redone in different colors of

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Speaker 16: another team, and that seems to be now the rest

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Speaker 16: of the coach.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who's going to coach Cleveland.

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Speaker 16: Everybody keeps shutting them down and not going on to

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Speaker 16: take their personality test and the IQ test or whatever

553
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Speaker 16: the hell trying to test. They're trying to make coaches

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Speaker 16: like some of those teams like Las Vegas, like Arizona,

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Speaker 16: like Cleveland are going to have to get first time

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Speaker 16: head coaches.

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Speaker 2: I brought this up last week. It didn't go over well,

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Speaker 2: but I stand by it. If I'm the Raiders, I

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Speaker 2: look at trading out of that top pick with Fernando

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Speaker 2: Mendoza at least shop it because I can't bring a

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Speaker 2: good quarterback into a bad situation. I have to build

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Speaker 2: a better situation to bring the quarterback in. And you

563
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Speaker 2: need more than just a quarterback because you're gonna put

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Speaker 2: him in there and he could turn out to be

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Speaker 2: David Carr or Tim Couch. You know where you just go, man, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: we didn't have anything around you. It's not an indictment

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Speaker 2: on him as much as it is the Raiders your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: It's a viable thought.

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Speaker 16: It is now you have to look at both sides

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Speaker 16: of it, right, and you absolutely should answer the phone

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Speaker 16: and see what kind of a hall you can get,

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Speaker 16: especially now since this draft class really kind of went

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Speaker 16: in the tank quite honestly, so that makes that pick

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Speaker 16: and that quarterback even more valuable to a team to

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Speaker 16: maybe give up more and if you get a haul

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Speaker 16: to the point where you think you can't pass it up.

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Speaker 16: The other side of that is dan you know, the

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Speaker 16: quarterback position is the most overvalued position on the field.

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Speaker 16: And it all depends. It doesn't matter what you think,

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Speaker 16: doesn't matter what I think, doesn't matter what any any

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Speaker 16: former player thinks. It only matters what the Las Vegas

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Speaker 16: Raiders have as a grade for Fernando Mendoza. And if

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Speaker 16: they have a true franchise grade for him, then you

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Speaker 16: have to take him.

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Speaker 4: You can't pass on him to.

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Speaker 16: Your thought of getting a bunch of other players and

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Speaker 16: have that guy hit somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: That's the worst.

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Speaker 16: Ego hit that a GM and ownership can make is

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Speaker 16: passing on a franchise quarterback if they're great, is a

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Speaker 16: little lower on Mendoza, then you actually actually sing his

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Speaker 16: praises and look for the best bidder out there and

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Speaker 16: get what you.

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Speaker 4: Can for him.

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Speaker 3: Did you like playing in the snow?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I loved it.

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Speaker 16: The most memorable snow game I had was ninety three

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Speaker 16: when I was with the Dolphins. We were playing Dallas

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Speaker 16: and we had that short chip shot field goal to

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Speaker 16: win it. It was blocked and Leon Lent came and

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Speaker 16: slid and tried to recover the ball when it passed

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Speaker 16: the line of scrimmage fumble. We recovered kick the field

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Speaker 16: goal one. Oddly enough, that was our last win of

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Speaker 16: the season, and that was Dallas went on to win

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Speaker 16: the Super Bowl that year after that.

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Speaker 4: I loved it because Dan.

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Speaker 16: I know this is hard to believe, but I was

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Speaker 16: not that great of an athlete in the NFL and

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Speaker 16: playing in the snow brought everybody down to my level,

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Speaker 16: which I enjoyed.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, Uh tell your son, we

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Speaker 3: said alone, thank you bout him.

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Speaker 4: I will thank Dan.

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Speaker 2: Mark Schlareth, NFL and Fox Analyst, three times Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: champ with the Broncos. He was at the game in

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Speaker 2: Denver yesterday with his former teammates joining us on the program.

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Speaker 17: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mark, it's great to talk to you. We've been

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Speaker 2: talking about this most of the morning. And that is

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Speaker 2: the fourth down moment there with Jared Stidham. Your thoughts

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Speaker 2: in the moment when you're there watching the game.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you know, we were all sitting, we were all

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Speaker 17: sitting and standing around in Fate Manning's suite and it

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Speaker 17: was me and it was Stokely, and it was Mike Shanahan,

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Speaker 17: it was Peyton and we all looked at a go

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Speaker 17: So just like this, you got to backup quarterback. You

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Speaker 17: got a chance to go ten to nothing, and you know,

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Speaker 17: and your defense is balling out of control.

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Speaker 5: Like kick the all of us were in agreement at

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Speaker 5: that point. Just kick the field goal. Just kick the

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Speaker 5: field goal, and.

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Speaker 17: Then you know, you come out with a little roll

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Speaker 17: out pass and it was a debacle to begin with.

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Speaker 17: And plus at that point you had to run the

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Speaker 17: ball for two inches. So it's not like you feel like,

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Speaker 17: hey man, they're really gonna respect our run game, right,

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Speaker 17: They're really gonna respect what we're doing here as an offense.

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Speaker 17: So we're just gonna run the QB sneak or we're

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Speaker 17: just gonna run some power down the middle or ISO

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Speaker 17: and really smash mouth these guys. They were kicking our

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Speaker 17: ass up front. So I was I was like, kick

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Speaker 17: the field goal, take the points man. Ten nothing is

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Speaker 17: a big score, especially with the weather report that you

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Speaker 17: know it was.

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Speaker 5: Gonna get nasty in the second half.

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Speaker 17: That was the weather report that would have been you know,

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Speaker 17: floated for the whole week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wondered about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the broadcast, but I didn't hear Nanson Romo

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Speaker 2: talk about in pending doom with the weather because there

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Speaker 2: was like a forty minute period where it changed the

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Speaker 2: whole look literally the look of the game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 17: On my radio show in Denver, we had our local

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Speaker 17: weather guy on. I told him he was on notice,

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Speaker 17: like if he wasn't right about the weather. Then I

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Speaker 17: was going to move to Kathy Saban because said she

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Speaker 17: is balls when it comes to weather.

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Speaker 5: She knows everything that's going on. And he was dead

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Speaker 5: on man.

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Speaker 17: Congratulations chris Byonki because he told us in the second half,

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Speaker 17: Man expected the tempers is to continue to drop, snow

669
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Speaker 17: flurries coming in could get nasty.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he had it nailed, and of course that's

671
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Speaker 5: exactly what happened.

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Speaker 2: I wonder about this whole going forward on fourth down.

673
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Speaker 2: It almost seems like you're a failure if you don't

674
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Speaker 2: go forward on fourth down and you take the field

675
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Speaker 2: goal and you leave four points out there. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know if the data is able to show, well,

677
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Speaker 2: who's my quarterback, who are we going against? What are

678
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Speaker 2: the conditions? At what time of the game? Am I

679
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Speaker 2: doing all of this stuff?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Dan, you know, it's really funny. I get into arguments

682
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Speaker 17: because I hate analytics. I hate all analytics people. I

683
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 17: don't like nerds, and.

684
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 5: I always get into this with guys.

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Speaker 17: You like the two point conversion play and we got

686
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Speaker 17: to go for it on fourth down and all this stuff,

687
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Speaker 17: and you get the sample size of data. But hey, man,

688
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 17: if I haven't blocked your defensive front all day long, right,

689
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 17: that data changes. If my guards can't handle your three techniques,

690
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 17: if my tackles can't handle your defensive ends, then we

691
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 17: need to change. Like that, math doesn't work. Math has

692
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 17: never made a tackle. Math has never blocked anybody. Math

693
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 17: has never done any of that stuff. And I always

694
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 17: say this to analytics guys, how many two point conversion

695
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Speaker 17: plays do you think are in any given game plan?

696
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Speaker 5: And they're all like, I don't know, And we.

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Speaker 17: Go in with one that we like and one that

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00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 17: we kind of like, and we practice them on Fridays

699
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 17: in hats and t shirts, so you know, ever get

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Speaker 17: a full rep look at a two point play?

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Speaker 5: And so that math is that.

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Speaker 17: To me, that math is faulty and you've got to understand,

703
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 17: like that the feel of the game. And I thought

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Speaker 17: Sean made a major gaff not going for it or

705
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 17: not kicking that field goal, but that has become endemic

706
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 17: of the league in general, like nobody, nobody. It's almost

707
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 17: like you're e're a Woosie if you kick a field goal.

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Speaker 17: And I hate the momentum shift. I hate it all,

709
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Speaker 17: Like take the points.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Mark Schlere the NFL and Fox analyst, three

711
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: times Super Bowl champ before we kick the Broncos to

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Speaker 2: the curb, looks going into next year, What are your thoughts.

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Speaker 17: I love the way the team is built. I think

714
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Speaker 17: they need some more weapons on the offensive side of

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Speaker 17: the ball for bow Knicks. But I love I love

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Speaker 17: the way bo Nicks played, and I love the I

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00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 17: love his ability to rise his game to a level.

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Speaker 5: That you have to have.

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Speaker 17: You know, I said it on my show many times

720
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Speaker 17: times when it's nut cutting time, he cuts nuts and

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Speaker 17: I can't explain it any better than that, Like he

722
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 17: just is when the pressure is on and you have

723
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Speaker 17: to be your best. He has been his best all year.

724
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Speaker 17: He's going to continue to develop in the boring stuff.

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Speaker 17: The boring stuff, to me is the difference between winning

726
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Speaker 17: championships and not winning championships. He's got to be better

727
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 17: in the boring stuff. But they need running back, they

728
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 17: need a you know, they need more or premiere tight end.

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Speaker 5: They haven't had a tight end.

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Speaker 17: Here since Shannon's sharp and we really haven't been able

731
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Speaker 17: to figure that position out.

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Speaker 3: How good was it watching from Peyton Manning Suite.

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Speaker 5: It's awesome.

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Speaker 17: It is It's awesome because you know, I do radio

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Speaker 17: here in Denver with Brandon Stokely, and so we've got

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00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 17: this ongoing feud. And I walked into the suite and

737
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 17: Peyton Manning the Broncos put a bunch of pictures of me,

738
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Speaker 17: singular pictures of me on the wall, which really got

739
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 17: under stokely skin because he was there with his boys.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we're still children. I turned sixty yesterday.

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Speaker 17: Dan, and I said, hey, man, I look in the

742
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 17: mirror to me, I still see thirty, and I act

743
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Speaker 17: like the fifteen year old.

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Speaker 5: That makes me forty five. I am right there in

745
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: the prime spot for me.

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Speaker 2: What was your biggest takeaway from Seattle? Eliminating the rams?

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Speaker 17: I have just been and I have been like the

748
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 17: pied piper of what Sam Donald has been through. And

749
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Speaker 17: you know, I sat down with Kyle Shanahan and like

750
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 17: just talked about Sam Donald when Sam was a backup

751
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 17: quarterback in San Francisco, and he said, first off, he

752
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Speaker 17: gets drafted by the Jets. Jeremy base was there was

753
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 17: a Peyton Manning disciple. So he goes, he gets drafted

754
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Speaker 17: by the Jets and they put him in the Peyton

755
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Speaker 17: Manning offense. There's one guy in the history of the

756
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 17: National Football League that could run the Peyton Manning office.

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Speaker 5: That was Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 17: Then he gets shipped off to Carolina and he's running,

759
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Speaker 17: you know, Matt Ruhle's collegiate offense. And so when he

760
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 17: had a chance to go to San Francisco, he had

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Speaker 17: a chance to go to compete for starting jobs elsewhere,

762
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Speaker 17: he said, I need to learn how to play football

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Speaker 17: in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: He humbled himself, went.

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Speaker 17: There as a backup, then did what he did in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: They kicked him to the curb.

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Speaker 17: He was the destination spot in for John Schneider said,

768
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Speaker 17: that's the guy we want.

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Speaker 5: And to watch him do what he did.

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Speaker 17: And then to outduel or to go toe to toe

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Speaker 17: with Matt Stafford in an NFC championship game with all

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Speaker 17: the weapons that Matthew Stafford had, I just I thought

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Speaker 17: that was phenomenal. What an unbelievable performance by that kid,

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Speaker 17: because you know, I don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 17: had that on their pingo card, him going toe to

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Speaker 17: toe with Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you bring up an interesting point. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan can make you a better quarterback. He can

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Speaker 2: make you see the game differently and put you in

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Speaker 2: positions where you're going to succeed. And he's carried that

781
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Speaker 2: over to Seattle. But you look at Seattle's offense, I

782
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: think people are gonna be introduced to Jackson Smith Nujigba.

783
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Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, who's this guy because they haven't

784
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: watched Seattle probably most of the year, and he's right

785
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: there with Pooka Nakua.

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Speaker 5: He certainly is.

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Speaker 17: He is so smooth in and out of breaks and

788
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 17: no matter like, no matter what they ask him to do.

789
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Speaker 17: You watch it and I did a Seattle game this year,

790
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 17: and you watch him play, and as you're studying the film,

791
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 17: like he just always finds the opening, whether he's in man,

792
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 17: whether he's in zone. He's got a great feel, unbelievable

793
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 17: the top of his route, his stems and just getting

794
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 17: out and all of a sudden becoming a very friendly target.

795
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Speaker 5: And he's so dynamic with the underneath stuff.

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Speaker 17: You know, you dump it to him and he's gonna

797
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 17: get you an extra you know, four or five yards

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Speaker 17: whatever it is. Like, the kid is just amazing and honestly,

799
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Speaker 17: when you look at it, Dan It's not like Puka

800
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 17: who's got Devanta Adams on the other side. He's got

801
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 17: you know, four tight ends. It can all get down

802
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 17: the seams and win. It's Smit and Jigma and then

803
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 17: it's a bunch of other guys you know, Bobo and

804
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 17: you look at obviously Cooper Cup is unbelievable, but he

805
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 17: does all the underneath stuff.

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00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 5: It just is, it just feels different.

807
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 17: It feels like, hey, if you can shut down in Jigba,

808
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 17: you can beat the Seahawks, and nobody can do it.

809
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: The uh Terrek Luland's taunting penalty that could have gone

810
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: down in history. That could have been you know, because

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Speaker 2: Pooka then scores a touchdown right after that, and you

812
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: could even see his teammates were matt they were living

813
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: at him for you know, a stupid taunting penalty.

814
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those things.

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Speaker 17: Dan, you know, you talk about it, you talk about it,

816
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 17: you talk about it. I always say, listen, man, we're

817
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 17: a bunch of pe majors that play this game. None

818
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 17: of us, like genius and football mutually exclusive events. But

819
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 17: that's one of those things you go into and you say, man,

820
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 17: we can't have these penalties we can't have this. We

821
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 17: can't have that, and especially taunting. Hey, man, if you're

822
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 17: gonna get a penalty, get your money's worth. You know,

823
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 17: a late hit, you know, make somebody feel it in

824
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Speaker 17: their ribs, right, I mean what And yeah it sounds neanderthalic,

825
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 17: but that's what I am. And so I'm like, I understand.

826
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Speaker 17: Sometimes that's a good thing for a defense. I go

827
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 17: back to that twenty fifteen Broncos defense.

828
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Speaker 5: The no flies on them.

829
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Speaker 17: They were good for at least one personal foul of

830
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 17: game maybe two, just to let you.

831
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Speaker 5: Know that they're going to be there, right.

832
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 17: But the taunting thing is that's just it's again, it's

833
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 17: one of those stupid things. But the great news for

834
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 17: Seattle and their fans because all my boys from college

835
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 17: or I'm on a text thread, they're all live in Seattle.

836
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 17: So they wanted him shipped out like instantly, They're like,

837
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 17: they're so mad at him. But he's a good player, man,

838
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 17: He's been a really good player for them. I'm sure

839
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 17: they'll clean that up. But that is one of those

840
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 17: major gaps that you just can't have.

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Speaker 2: Drake May will be the second youngest quarterback to start

842
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Speaker 2: a suit Super Bowl.

843
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: Is he ready for this?

844
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Speaker 5: I think so they?

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Speaker 17: I mean, dever shut that offense down and he made

846
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Speaker 17: he made I think six scrambles. He made a couple

847
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 17: of scrambles that were big time I mean big time

848
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 17: scrambles that put them you know, that swung field position

849
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 17: or gave them a chance.

850
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: And so, but how he is.

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Speaker 2: Does a quarterback not tell the offensive line that he's

852
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: going to change the play and he's the only one,

853
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: so that that bootleg when he kept for himself, he

854
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: didn't tell his teammates.

855
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Speaker 3: How often would that happen?

856
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 5: Not?

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Speaker 17: Not often, But it's the best, it's the best way

858
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 17: to do it. Like sometimes when you put in some

859
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 17: RPO stuff, like the offensive line never knows if you're

860
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 17: gonna haven it off or you're gonna throw it. They don't,

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00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 17: So that that part in the r P O game

862
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 17: happens quite frequently because the one thing you want when

863
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 17: you're running a run action play action play is you

864
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 17: want complete and total sellout by the offensive line. You

865
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 17: don't want them to know because ultimately the defense then

866
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 17: is going to buy into that and you can get

867
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 17: things over the top. So a lot of times we

868
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 17: used to have and we used to have plays in

869
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 17: where it was just an automatic smoke screen. If you know,

870
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 17: your slot receiver has got a defensive back who's twelve

871
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 17: yards off and we're running fourteen handoff to the right,

872
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 17: and also quarterback just pops up and throws it. You're

873
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 17: just plucking, and all of a sudden, you're like the

874
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 17: defensive line like you're comboing up to a middle linebacker,

875
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 17: and all of a sudden he takes off across the

876
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 17: field the opposite way, and you're like, did what happened? Well,

877
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 17: we threw it out there and the quarterback didn't tell you.

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Speaker 17: But that play in particular was brilliant by a young core.

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Speaker 17: I mean brilliant because you knew they were going to

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Speaker 17: sell out on that. What was it, a fourth down

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Speaker 17: and short? You knew they were going to sell out

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Speaker 17: on that, and Drake may keeping that thing was incredible.

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Speaker 3: Happy sixtieth to you, Stink. Thanks for joining us, buddy.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate Dan. Take care everbody. Always great to be

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Speaker 5: with you.

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Speaker 3: Mark Schlereth